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The Kenny Report | 13 July · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Live from the Sky Youth Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 2: Good evening. James Borrow here filling in for Chris Kenny.
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Speaker 2: Here's what's coming up tonight. The Orange Wave faces its
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Speaker 2: first hurdle, with one nation dropping three percent in the
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Speaker 2: latest Resolve poll. Liberal Senator Alex Antik will be with
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Speaker 2: me in a moment. Plus, the United States launches fresh
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Speaker 2: attacks on Iran, targeting Missilan drone basis. Sky News Defense
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Speaker 2: analyst Peter Jennings joins me with all of the latest news,
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Speaker 2: and we're going live to London with Sophie Ellsworth will
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Speaker 2: Nigra Forroger's by election stunt backfire, big question. But first,
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Speaker 2: the Coalition is going nuclear again. Not in the polls,
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Speaker 2: though the latest Resolved poll suggests that the still official
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Speaker 2: opposition party has managed to claw back a few points
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Speaker 2: from one nation. But instead they're actually going nuclear again
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Speaker 2: in policy, where Shadow Energy Minister Dan teen is having
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Speaker 2: another tilt at nuclear power. Not it must be said
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Speaker 2: as a solution to higher power bills after their previous
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Speaker 2: nuclear policy was monstered by Labor Lives. And frankly it
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Speaker 2: must be said also coalition ineptitude at the last election.
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Speaker 2: But rather as a way to hopefully help Australia get
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Speaker 2: a bite of the global AI data center revolution. Now
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Speaker 2: Tin has told Newscore papers that the Coalition is working
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Speaker 2: on a plan to look at micro or small modular
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Speaker 2: reactors built by data companies to power their energy hungry
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Speaker 2: information plants. It's a risky move that invites exactly the
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Speaker 2: same sort of scare campaign labor Ran the last time
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Speaker 2: you remember blinking, the three hyed fish and all that.
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Speaker 2: In the US, for example, there's also an anti data
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Speaker 2: center campaign, an anti DAS eight a center movement there
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Speaker 2: has taken hold in the culture, some say with the
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Speaker 2: help of China, which wants to steal a march on
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Speaker 2: the West, linking farmers and suburban greenies in opposition.
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Speaker 3: To the tech giants.
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Speaker 2: Yet this is also I think the right policy, introducing
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Speaker 2: an energy a gnosticism into the discussion as well as
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Speaker 2: a word we haven't heard enough of these days, abundance.
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Speaker 4: We've said all along that what we want to do
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Speaker 4: is encourage private investment into our energy system. Now, whether
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Speaker 4: that be with coal, where that gas, whether that be oil,
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Speaker 4: whether that be nuclear. But the key thing, and I've
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Speaker 4: said this before PD is if you're going to go
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Speaker 4: down the nuclear pathway, you've got to make sure that
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Speaker 4: you do have some sort of government control. And that's
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Speaker 4: why this idea of a golden share that the government
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Speaker 4: would take, which means that you can dictate around safety,
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Speaker 4: you can dictate around location, you can dictate about what
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Speaker 4: community acceptance about where you would locate your nuclear facilities.
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Speaker 4: Always will become paramountain and I think there's a better
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Speaker 4: way for us to do it, whether it be with
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Speaker 4: nuclear and all other types of energy that we're going
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Speaker 4: to need to roll out if we're going to pursue
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Speaker 4: energy abundance.
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Speaker 3: That's exactly right.
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Speaker 2: And in America, tech companies have been gearing up to
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Speaker 2: build their own reactors for years now and Australia as
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Speaker 2: a result, is set to be left behind yet another boom. Meanwhile,
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Speaker 2: AI is not the only front of the nuclear arena
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Speaker 2: where Australia is in danger of being left behind. Last
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Speaker 2: week we saw the Prime Minister agree to a deal
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Speaker 2: to allow Australian uranium to be sent to India. Now,
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Speaker 2: I and many others has to very basic question last week.
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Speaker 2: I mean, if nuclear energy is too expensive and too
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Speaker 2: scary for Australia under labor. How is it that it
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Speaker 2: magically becomes affordable and fine for India, a country that
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Speaker 2: is less economically developed but which knows the value of
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Speaker 2: cheap energy in helping its population to leap ahead. It
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Speaker 2: was very curious, I thought, for a number of reasons.
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Speaker 2: I mean, one, India has not signed the Non Proliferation Treaty,
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Speaker 2: which was of course the old sticking point labor used
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Speaker 2: to hold up some such deals. But two, this is
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Speaker 2: the bigger problem here. It's great to say we're going
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Speaker 2: to sell uranium to India, but the fact is we're
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Speaker 2: not really able to get any more than we already
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Speaker 2: do out of the ground, simply thanks to state bans
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Speaker 2: on uranium mining. The fact is most of your Australia's uranium,
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Speaker 2: despite having the biggest reserves in the world, remains locked
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Speaker 2: in the ground by state law, not federal law.
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Speaker 3: State law.
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Speaker 2: Now, my friend Christina Talaco, the co founder of Glow Strategies,
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Speaker 2: has run the numbers, and she tells me, and she's
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Speaker 2: written an opinion piece that will appear in Tomorrow's Daily
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Speaker 2: Telegraph detailing this that Western Australia, just to take one state,
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Speaker 2: has refused to approve a new uranium mine since twenty seventeen,
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Speaker 2: despite sitting on roughly two hundred and twenty six thousand
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Speaker 2: tons of known resources and four projects that already hold
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Speaker 2: ministerial approval. On the other side of the country, Queensland
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Speaker 2: has bad uranium mining since twenty fifteen. Here in New
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Speaker 2: South Wales, where I'm coming to you from, well they
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Speaker 2: allow exploration, but they prohibit mining, and Victoria, wouldn't you
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Speaker 2: know it, they prohibit both. Now Here in Australia, TLACO
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Speaker 2: says we hold close to a third of the world's
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Speaker 2: known uranium resources, yet operate only four active mines, all
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Speaker 2: of them in South Australia.
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Speaker 3: Yet here's the kicker.
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Speaker 2: In twenty twenty four, Australia produced about forty six hundred
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Speaker 2: tons of uranium, less than eight percent of global supply,
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Speaker 2: compared with more than twenty three thousand tons from Kazakhstan
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Speaker 2: and fourteen thousand tons from Canada. What uranium we do
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Speaker 2: produce is already committed, It's already been sold under long
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Speaker 2: term contracts to the US, Japan, South Korea and Europe.
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Speaker 2: Is none less for India. And this is at the
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Speaker 2: same time the global uranium demand is forecast to double
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Speaker 2: by twenty forty and without new minds. That means that
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Speaker 2: this India agreement that Prime Minister Albanesi was trumpeting, well
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Speaker 2: it's just a press release. Cannot boost uranium exports while
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Speaker 2: state governments keep the deposits closed. Something has to give.
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Speaker 2: And this is the thing Australia. We do this so
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Speaker 2: often and we're doing it again with uranium. We shortchange
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Speaker 2: ourselves by only exporting the raw material, the raw ore
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Speaker 2: processed into basic yellow cake, when what we should be
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Speaker 2: doing is getting in on the whole fuel cycle, conversion, enrichment,
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Speaker 2: fuel fabrication. That's where the real money is. We hear
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Speaker 2: a lot about how Australia needs to be more productive,
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Speaker 2: more efficient, be more than just a quarry. Well here's
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Speaker 2: our chance. Conversion enrichment data centers nuclear power to run
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Speaker 2: the whole thing. The money is sitting on the table
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Speaker 2: if we want to get out of these doldrums, these
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Speaker 2: economic doldrs, and return to being a growing prosperous and
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Speaker 2: dare I say, downright rich nation again? Well, the roadmap
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Speaker 2: is clear. Well, support for one Nation has fallen three
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Speaker 2: points to twenty six percent in the latest Resolve poll.
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Speaker 2: In that same pole the coalition is up three points
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Speaker 2: to twenty three three percent. Well, labor holds steady at
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Speaker 2: a blockbuster twenty eight percent. Yeah, I'm being sarcastic.
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Speaker 3: There.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now to discuss this here and a lot
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Speaker 2: more is Liberal Senator alex antisch Alex, thank you so
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Speaker 2: much for joining me here. Tell me, are you heartened
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Speaker 2: at all by the poll numbers here that's just come
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Speaker 2: out of resolve that the liberals have started to gain
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Speaker 2: back a little bit of ground. Do you see this
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Speaker 2: maybe being a trend or maybe a trend lit at
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Speaker 2: least that trend.
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Speaker 5: Lookiess yeah, James, Look, I love encouraging numbers three percents
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Speaker 5: of big swing. I mean, look, the polls are what
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Speaker 5: they are. They are a snap shot in time. And
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Speaker 5: you know, I don't have to bore you with the
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Speaker 5: usual cliche of the only.
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Speaker 1: Poll that matters his election.
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Speaker 5: That is true, however, But that trend line I think
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Speaker 5: is there, and I think it's a great credit to
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Speaker 5: t Angus. I think he is, as I've said recently,
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Speaker 5: turning the Titanic around day by day, and I think
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Speaker 5: people are going to get to know him and get
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Speaker 5: to know what he can do, what he's about, and
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Speaker 5: the policy settings I think are coming along really nicely.
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Speaker 5: So yeah, there is and look, I think you would
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Speaker 5: expect that in any ascendency like one nation have had,
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Speaker 5: that there are going to be blips and turnarounds. The
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Speaker 5: thing though, that I am most encouraged about about the
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Speaker 5: whole thing, is that when you do the numbers on
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Speaker 5: the combination of those two primary votes, they make almost
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Speaker 5: fifty percent forty nine I think, and it reiterates once
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Speaker 5: again that Australians are leaning right center, right right to
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Speaker 5: set to right across the country in almost a majority,
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Speaker 5: which is not something you get out of the mainstream media.
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Speaker 5: It's not something you get when you see on the ABC,
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Speaker 5: it's not something you get when you go to your
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Speaker 5: corporate boardroom. It's not something you see when you go
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Speaker 5: to the footy. But that's the reality Aussies are, I think,
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Speaker 5: you know, largely on the common sense side of politics.
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Speaker 5: And the key now is liberating this country from the
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Speaker 5: groups of this government. And I think that's the key
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Speaker 5: thing that we have to do. We're all hossies and
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Speaker 5: we you know, some of the things you talked about
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Speaker 5: in your editorial there were so true about the need to,
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Speaker 5: you know, stop the self induced harm that this country
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Speaker 5: has had, start exploiting our natural resources and building on them.
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Speaker 5: You know, it's ten years since the Scarce Royal Commission.
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Speaker 5: We should be well and truly on our way to
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Speaker 5: that nuclear fuel cycle that you talked about on there,
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Speaker 5: but we're not because we just haven't had the right push.
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Speaker 5: And you know that's what I'm hopeful about. And the numbers.
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Speaker 5: You know, anything that's pulling numbers back on the right
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Speaker 5: side of politics is a good, good result.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, look at Alex you know, it does sort of
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Speaker 2: feel like, with all of the things that we're talking
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Speaker 2: about in terms of really getting this niche out of
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Speaker 2: those doldrooms and you know, being prosperous again, the sort
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Speaker 2: of fight between one nation and the liberals seems like
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Speaker 2: kind of small beer. But at the same time, you know,
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Speaker 2: it is sort of the game in politics at the moment.
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Speaker 2: Have you been and do you still think that there's
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Speaker 2: been too much of an emphasis on the liberal side
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Speaker 2: in attacking one nation and not enough of you know,
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Speaker 2: finding those common points. There are common policies we can
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Speaker 2: point to, like indexing tax rates, which is a great
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Speaker 2: start on which both one nation of the liberals have
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Speaker 2: and less or more time rather going after this government
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Speaker 2: which is actively destroying wealth and redistributing wealth without actually
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Speaker 2: growing the national wealth.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.
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Speaker 5: And government's growing bigger, the tax burdens growing larger, and
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Speaker 5: I think people are starting to understand that, and they're
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Speaker 5: starting to you know, sort of reflect that on those
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Speaker 5: opinion polls and look, yes, the answer is that I
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Speaker 5: and I have you know, I probably upset some of
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Speaker 5: my colleagues by saying it, but I I am a
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Speaker 5: bit sick and tired of the focus on another political party.
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Speaker 1: I think we should be talking about ourselves.
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Speaker 5: You know, if you were playing a game of football
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Speaker 5: and you'd lost at the end of the game, you
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Speaker 5: wouldn't turn around and say, well, you know, I didn't
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Speaker 5: like the other side's uniforms or whatever. You know, you
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Speaker 5: focus on your own game and you get it right.
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Speaker 5: Angus is doing that, and you can clearly see that
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Speaker 5: in the polls. Now, I think that's the message we're seeing.
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Speaker 5: But I don't think it's helpful having these battles, you know,
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Speaker 5: attacking one nation I don't.
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Speaker 1: Think is a smart thing to do.
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Speaker 5: I think, you know, on any measure, Pauline's done a
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Speaker 5: great job in attracting that vote, and you know, I
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Speaker 5: just think it's unhelpful.
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Speaker 1: I think, you know, it's better.
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Speaker 5: On the right of politics that we all work towards
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Speaker 5: that common goal, which is, as you say, defeating the
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Speaker 5: Labor government. We can't deal with another term of what
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Speaker 5: we're seeing at the moment. The country is going to
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Speaker 5: be in all sorts if it's not already.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed, Alex just on another matter too. I spoke
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Speaker 2: on Friday and also on Sunday about Anthony Albanezi and
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Speaker 2: the Victorian from here just sent to Alan and they're
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Speaker 2: doing their best to bask in the popularity of Indian
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister Nurendramodi and then the big rally they had,
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Speaker 2: you know, the big event for the Indian community there.
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Speaker 2: But I was struck by some of the commentary that
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Speaker 2: came from the left and this bit from the insiders
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Speaker 2: on Sunday. It's thankfully I have somebody else to watch
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Speaker 2: it for me, so I don't have to. But they
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Speaker 2: but they had this little exchange about the Indian vote
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Speaker 2: and the Labor Party.
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Speaker 3: Just have a listen to this. On that multicultural question.
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Speaker 6: I just found that so fascinating. Here we have in
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Speaker 6: Australia about a million Indian Australians in the midst of
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Speaker 6: a debate about multiculturalism versus monoculturalism.
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Speaker 3: The PM just lent right.
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Speaker 6: Into it, didn't He was like, we're a multicultural nation.
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Speaker 3: You belong here.
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Speaker 6: He wants to make all of those Indian Australians his voters, right, Yeah,
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Speaker 6: well we are, And I mean it's sort of a
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Speaker 6: statement of the obvious to a certain.
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Speaker 3: Excit and again it's been contested.
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Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, But also there's an electoral advantage there as
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Speaker 7: well for the Prime Minister to bring that diaspora onside it.
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Speaker 2: Alex, that sounded a little bit like what you said
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Speaker 2: to Pray said a number of months ago, and she
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Speaker 2: got in an awful lot of trouble, and a lot
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Speaker 2: of the loudest voices getting her in trouble were coming
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Speaker 2: from within the Liberal Party. It was a slightly more
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Speaker 2: nuanced version. But does she old a little bit of
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Speaker 2: an apology here?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? I think she is. I mean I think she
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Speaker 1: absolutely isn't.
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Speaker 5: And I look forward to that coming out of the
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Speaker 5: ABC in coming weeks and months. I'm sure they'll be
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Speaker 5: happy to lead the cheer on that and make sure
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Speaker 5: that she, you know, she's exonerated from any wrongdoing. But
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Speaker 5: you know, you're absolutely right, and look, we see it
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Speaker 5: time and time again. There are very often two sets
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Speaker 5: of rules in politics, which is exactly the reason why
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Speaker 5: the right of politics has to be brave, has to
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Speaker 5: stop apologizing for saying things that are sensible, and has
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Speaker 5: to stop listening to some of the you know, the
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Speaker 5: noise that comes out of the mainstream media. I mean, look,
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Speaker 5: the vast majority of it leans to the left. It's
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Speaker 5: as simple as that. Not you not this show, very
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Speaker 5: sensible and all the rest of it. But I think
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Speaker 5: there is a serious SERI is lean out there, and
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Speaker 5: it is time to save this country.
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Speaker 1: We've got to start treating.
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Speaker 5: Some of this commentary as it should be, which is
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Speaker 5: to be ignored.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and now it's fine. I just want to ask
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Speaker 2: you very quickly. There was a Royal commission today handled
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Speaker 2: the question of universities. There the liberals have any plan
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Speaker 2: to tackle the way I think it came out that
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Speaker 2: the university is really failed at dealing with the anti
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Speaker 2: semitism problem. That came out, you know, after October seventh,
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Speaker 2: and we heard some hiring stories of students being forced
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Speaker 2: to conceal their Jewish identity. It feels like this is
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Speaker 2: a big, you must do better moment for our universities.
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Speaker 5: Look, I think across the board with the university sector
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Speaker 5: on many of you know, I mean the stories that
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Speaker 5: I hear coming out of the university seen, you know,
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Speaker 5: not just limited to the ones you've described there, but
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Speaker 5: also of the people having to hide their faith. I
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Speaker 5: had a contact from a student the other day that
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Speaker 5: told me that the course that he was studying made
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Speaker 5: him feel very, very uncomfortable about some of his positions.
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Speaker 1: Coming from the Christian faith.
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Speaker 5: And across the board, you know, I think that that
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Speaker 5: is an ongoing problem in the university sector. And yes,
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Speaker 5: I mean the answer is that for a long time,
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Speaker 5: I think Coalition has been very focused on that. People
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Speaker 5: like Senator James Patterson have had a lot to say
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Speaker 5: and will continue to do so because look, you know,
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Speaker 5: ultimately we've got to get away from this thing about
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Speaker 5: the universities becoming thought crushing devices and back to the
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Speaker 5: world where you could have a view, you could have
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Speaker 5: a conversation, you could have a view on anything, and
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Speaker 5: it would just be debated and debunked if it needed
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Speaker 5: to be. But look become a very different environment since
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Speaker 5: I went through, which by the way, was a very
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Speaker 5: long time ago.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, alex you and me both, I think we
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Speaker 2: both long for that better time Alexander's sake, so much
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Speaker 2: for your time.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: The United States has launched fresh strikes on Iran, targeting
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Speaker 2: missile and drone bases, and there's been a bit of
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Speaker 2: tip for tat with Iran striking back at targets around
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Speaker 2: the Gulf. US President Donald Trump says, the streets of
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Speaker 2: where Wo's remain open.
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Speaker 8: It's open. We bombed the hell out of them last night.
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Speaker 8: They're very, very evil and sick people. We had meetings
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Speaker 8: with them for the last They agreed to a deal yesterday,
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Speaker 8: a perfect deal for US. No nuclear no this, no that,
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Speaker 8: no nothing. They've gave up everything. And then after that
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Speaker 8: they left their room, and then within an hour they
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Speaker 8: launched a drown and a ship.
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Speaker 2: I said, you people are sick, Well, let's bring in
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Speaker 2: someone who is not sick. Sky News defense analyst Peter Jennings. Peter,
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Speaker 2: thanks so much for joining me here this evening. I
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Speaker 2: know we've been speaking an awful lot about what's been
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Speaker 2: going on here. Tell me the first question here, are
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Speaker 2: the straits before moves open or closed?
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Speaker 3: Right now?
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Speaker 9: Maybe closing is the right answer to that. I'm not
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Speaker 9: aware of much shipping going through, and that's because shipping
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Speaker 9: lines have the discretion to decide for themselves how much
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Speaker 9: risk they want their tankers to take, and history tells
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Speaker 9: us that the answer is very very little. So if
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Speaker 9: there is a presumption of a threat which comes about,
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Speaker 9: for example, with the Iranians attacking four boats in the
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Speaker 9: last seventy two hours or so, you're not going to
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Speaker 9: have much in the way of big shipping moving through
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Speaker 9: the strait. And I suspect we're going to be in
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Speaker 9: that kind of situation for some time.
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Speaker 1: James.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, that's a It's interesting how you know words
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Speaker 2: are almost weapons in this sort of scenario. Isn't it
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Speaker 2: that they can just make the threat and the insurance
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Speaker 2: companies say stop? But you know, we've talked a lot,
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Speaker 2: Peter about the strategic miscalculations by the US here and
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Speaker 2: they're absolutely out there. But I also a question for you,
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Speaker 2: has I ran blundered here by again attacking Jordan Bahrain,
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Speaker 2: Because to me it feels like while they've got a
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Speaker 2: great Satan, a great great Seatan in the US. By
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Speaker 2: doing this, it seems like they're almost trying to recreate
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Speaker 2: the old Coalition of the Willing again.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a very interesting question.
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Speaker 9: I was surprised to see the number of states that
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Speaker 9: Iran struck in the last twenty four hours, six six
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Speaker 9: of them, all the way through from Jordan through to Iran, sorry,
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Speaker 9: through to Saudi And it seems to me that what's
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Speaker 9: happened here is that Iran has crossed a threshold that
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Speaker 9: it wasn't prepared to cross in the past. It's directly
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Speaker 9: attacked Israel, and it's now onto the third round of
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Speaker 9: directly attacking Israel, and it's directly attacking not just the
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Speaker 9: Gulf States and the Emirates, but also other Sunni Arab
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Speaker 9: states in the Middle East. I think that is a miscalculation.
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Speaker 9: I think that does work to the idea of the
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Speaker 9: Americans being able to build a sort of a loose
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Speaker 9: alliance of Arab countries that are going to be opposed
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Speaker 9: to the idea of Iran becoming the dominant player in
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Speaker 9: the Middle East. I think it probably takes more American
19:59
Speaker 9: investment bring them together. So For example, the Saudis and
20:02
Speaker 9: the Amortis continue to fight each other over the tactics
20:05
Speaker 9: of how they should.
20:06
Speaker 1: Deal with Iran.
20:07
Speaker 9: It needs American leadership to kind of give direction to
20:10
Speaker 9: a regional response, but I think that's possible now. And
20:15
Speaker 9: in that respect, it may reflect the Iranians sort of
20:19
Speaker 9: overplaying their hand, because in a military sense, they've been
20:23
Speaker 9: doing that quite intelligently up until now, and I don't
20:26
Speaker 9: think this really helps their broader objectives.
20:29
Speaker 2: But at the same time, you know, we had that
20:32
Speaker 2: moment several weeks ago when it was going to be
20:34
Speaker 2: bridges and power plants, and I was told that they
20:37
Speaker 2: were really ready to go, The Pentagon was really ready
20:40
Speaker 2: to go to unleash hell, and then they got kind
20:42
Speaker 2: of pulled back the last minute. And now a US
20:45
Speaker 2: official has told The New York Times that another bigger
20:48
Speaker 2: wave of strikes is coming against Iran if they don't.
20:51
Speaker 2: If the US and the Pentagon and the Trump administration
20:55
Speaker 2: don't carry through again on this, there's a paper tiger
20:58
Speaker 2: problem that they're creating for them, isn't there strategically?
21:02
Speaker 9: Look, I think Trump is already personally at that level,
21:05
Speaker 9: because we've had several months now of truth social commentary,
21:09
Speaker 9: which is, on the one hand, we're about to rain
21:11
Speaker 9: sort of death down on the Iranians, and then twelve
21:14
Speaker 9: hours twenty four hours later it's a piece ill is
21:16
Speaker 9: at hand. And we've been through this sort of rinse
21:19
Speaker 9: and repeat cycle so often.
21:22
Speaker 3: Know.
21:22
Speaker 9: The military, of course, will have all manner of plans,
21:24
Speaker 9: from very large scale attacks through to pinpoint operations, and
21:28
Speaker 9: they're ready to kind of go when the President gives
21:31
Speaker 9: them directions to do. So what I've seen, James just
21:35
Speaker 9: in the sort of last few hundred attacks which we've
21:38
Speaker 9: seen over the last few weeks, it's very focused on
21:42
Speaker 9: trying to undermine Around's ability to go after the tankers.
21:46
Speaker 9: So we've seen lots of footage, including of the type
21:48
Speaker 9: that's on the screen now, of small boats being smashed.
21:53
Speaker 9: And what I'd say there is that the cost of
21:55
Speaker 9: those boats is going to be considerably less than the
21:57
Speaker 9: costs of the weapons that are used to destroy them.
22:00
Speaker 9: So you know, how long this whack a mole process
22:03
Speaker 9: goes on, I think is an altogether open question. What
22:07
Speaker 9: the Americans have to think about is how do we
22:09
Speaker 9: change the intent on the part of the senior leadership
22:13
Speaker 9: of the country you can smash boats till Kingdom come,
22:16
Speaker 9: but you've really got to try and divert the Iranians
22:19
Speaker 9: away from the idea of we want to control the
22:21
Speaker 9: straight Offull Moves, and I think that calls for a
22:24
Speaker 9: different type of strategy, one that's more focused on going
22:28
Speaker 9: after senior leaders in the Revolutionary Guard and one which
22:32
Speaker 9: imposes heavier economic costs on the Iranians, because I think
22:36
Speaker 9: that's one area of vulnerability that they do pay attention to,
22:41
Speaker 9: and I'm not seeing that strategy. So it was just
22:44
Speaker 9: sort of clipping them around the edges on dealing with
22:47
Speaker 9: the immediate threat in the straight offll Mooves is not
22:50
Speaker 9: going to bring this war to a satisfactory conclusion.
22:54
Speaker 2: Wasn't The treasury sector at scar Bassett I have been
22:57
Speaker 2: told had been doing a whole sort of round of
22:59
Speaker 2: econom warfare on the currency and on their ability to
23:03
Speaker 2: move money around through the shadow banking system.
23:06
Speaker 3: Has that pulled back well?
23:09
Speaker 9: I mean, in the Memorandum of Understanding which we've talked about,
23:13
Speaker 9: it PHAs the Americans were prepared to make all manner
23:16
Speaker 9: of concessions to the Iranians. You could start exporting oil
23:19
Speaker 9: for money, you could perhaps free up Americans Iranian money
23:25
Speaker 9: which is being held in the international banking system under sanctions.
23:29
Speaker 9: There was even I thought the most ridiculous thought, which
23:31
Speaker 9: was that the Americans might pay war reparations.
23:34
Speaker 1: To the Iranians.
23:36
Speaker 9: And that was where we were as of mid June.
23:39
Speaker 9: When President Trump now says that's all over, I think
23:42
Speaker 9: that's all over. And what I'm hoping is that we're
23:45
Speaker 9: going to see tougher sanctions, an American blockade on Iranian
23:50
Speaker 9: oil exports again, in order to make sure that money
23:54
Speaker 9: is not flowing through to the Revolutionary Guard. That's what
23:57
Speaker 9: they need in order to continue fighting their war, and
24:00
Speaker 9: so the need is to stop that from happening. At
24:02
Speaker 9: the same time, as a sort of a newly thought
24:05
Speaker 9: through military strategy as applied absolutely.
24:08
Speaker 2: Peter Jennings, thank you so much for your insights. As always,
24:10
Speaker 2: great to chat. Now stick around coming up. It's been
24:12
Speaker 2: two months since the budget and the pressure on labor
24:15
Speaker 2: keeps on growing. A leading economist joins me in the
24:18
Speaker 2: studio to take apart the latest disasters to come out
24:21
Speaker 2: of this thing. Next we'll go back to the program.
24:30
Speaker 2: James Morrow here sitting in for Chris Kenny. Well, it
24:33
Speaker 2: doesn't tech executives have written to treasure Jim Chalmers warning
24:37
Speaker 2: Labour's tax hikes will send more investors offshore. Dmitri burstin
24:42
Speaker 2: from Eminence Advisory, joins me here in the studio. Dmitri,
24:46
Speaker 2: this is not, I guess a surprise. But even after
24:50
Speaker 2: Chalmers tried to say, oh, we're going to fix this
24:53
Speaker 2: up so it's not going to be so bad, everybody
24:56
Speaker 2: is still saying no, no, no, this is really bad.
24:58
Speaker 1: It is really bad.
24:59
Speaker 10: It w necessarily force investors overseas or force businesses overseas
25:04
Speaker 10: to start with. It's an admission of failure that the
25:06
Speaker 10: fact that they botched the design in the first place.
25:10
Speaker 10: But it's essentially a you know, coupled particularly with the
25:13
Speaker 10: R and D tax rebate changes, it's an up you
25:16
Speaker 10: to the startup economy.
25:18
Speaker 2: Well, I'm hearing from my contacts in the startup and
25:21
Speaker 2: tech world there really is the thing that they're seeing
25:23
Speaker 2: isn't going to happen, that is starting to happen, that
25:25
Speaker 2: people are really making inquiries about moving overseas starting things
25:29
Speaker 2: there because it just simply doesn't make sense.
25:32
Speaker 10: It's true, I mean, New Zealand doesn't have a capital
25:34
Speaker 10: gains tax to start with, Singapore provides all sorts of incentives.
25:39
Speaker 10: The US is, you know, the heart of the capital markets.
25:42
Speaker 10: It's you know, when you're as a startup founder, you
25:46
Speaker 10: you know, your biggest asset is your idea, and that's
25:49
Speaker 10: really portable. It's in your head, it goes with.
25:51
Speaker 2: You and and you know, like but beyond that, though, Demitri,
25:55
Speaker 2: we have the broader problem. Not everybody out there is
25:58
Speaker 2: an AI tech startup guru, but a lot of people
26:01
Speaker 2: out there are property owners, homeowners or aspiration ones.
26:05
Speaker 3: As an economist, walk me.
26:07
Speaker 2: Through how they think that just simply slaicing ten percent
26:10
Speaker 2: or twenty percent off of the property values of everybody
26:13
Speaker 2: is going to wind up getting people into a house.
26:16
Speaker 2: Don't they just shrinking the pie?
26:18
Speaker 10: Yes they are. But this is a this is the
26:20
Speaker 10: you know, the manifestation of the you know, the tall
26:23
Speaker 10: poppy syndrome. You can be wealthy, but just not too wealthy.
26:26
Speaker 2: And that's a I mean, and there's nothing about we
26:30
Speaker 2: haven't seen anything yet about productivity. We do understand that
26:34
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister is going to give a big speech
26:36
Speaker 2: leader this week about artificial intelligence. What are you expecting
26:41
Speaker 2: to come out of this?
26:42
Speaker 10: I don't know, but I really wonder how much of
26:44
Speaker 10: his speech will actually be written by artificial intelligence. But
26:47
Speaker 10: I don't know. There are some you know, concerns I'm
26:51
Speaker 10: not sure they're entirely valid about the risk to employment.
26:54
Speaker 10: There's no evidence thus far that AI has, you know,
26:58
Speaker 10: across an economy cause job losses. It is the wave
27:04
Speaker 10: of the future. And if Australia wants to build a
27:07
Speaker 10: Chinese style great firewall to keep it out, you know,
27:11
Speaker 10: good luck with that.
27:12
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, good luck with that.
27:13
Speaker 2: But I mean, you know, if you were in the
27:15
Speaker 2: Treasurer's ear, if you were in the Prime Minister's ear,
27:17
Speaker 2: what would you be saying.
27:19
Speaker 10: I'd say, minimize regulation, be flexible, adaptive. It is what
27:29
Speaker 10: is necessary to drive productivity. And with declining birth rates,
27:33
Speaker 10: declining population macro across the world, it is the you know,
27:38
Speaker 10: one of the key things that will drive productivity in
27:41
Speaker 10: the future. People were panicking about the Internet, people were
27:44
Speaker 10: panicking about you know, the sewing machine as well.
27:47
Speaker 1: Sure the world survived.
27:48
Speaker 2: Where the world did survive, but you know, beyond that though,
27:51
Speaker 2: let's move away from the lever side of things. Barnaby
27:54
Speaker 2: Joyce has come up with an idea. He's been out
27:57
Speaker 2: saying that the RBA should have some power to, you know,
28:01
Speaker 2: give the government a whack if they are spending too
28:04
Speaker 2: much money and causing too much inflation. Now we do
28:07
Speaker 2: know that the government is spending too much and that
28:11
Speaker 2: is causing inflation.
28:13
Speaker 3: Is this a sensible idea?
28:14
Speaker 1: Absolutely not.
28:15
Speaker 10: I mean I'm just wondering what other elected bureaucracies Barnaby
28:19
Speaker 10: believes should be empowered to direct the government. I mean,
28:21
Speaker 10: it's it's it's ridiculous. The ultimate sanction for a government
28:25
Speaker 10: with bad policy is the election. It's the voters decide
28:29
Speaker 10: it's too much inflation, too much spending, get out.
28:32
Speaker 2: Well indeed, indeed, but you know we've got Westpac now
28:35
Speaker 2: predicting two more rate rises, and there are being Chief
28:38
Speaker 2: Executive now issuing a warning on the Middle East. It's
28:42
Speaker 2: a long time now between the next now and the
28:46
Speaker 2: next subsequent election. I mean, what do we do you know?
28:52
Speaker 2: Was individuals and as a nation to batten down for
28:55
Speaker 2: all of this? Are we just facing years of stagflation?
28:58
Speaker 2: Are we in lost decade territory?
29:00
Speaker 10: Sadly yes, But it started well start. It accelerated under
29:04
Speaker 10: Labour in twenty twenty two, but it started well before that.
29:07
Speaker 10: My theory is that we're in a twenty year economic
29:12
Speaker 10: deform cycle where we've had you know, bad policy on
29:15
Speaker 10: bad policy and bad spending on bad spending. Remember the ndis,
29:20
Speaker 10: whilst it was born under labor nine years of its
29:24
Speaker 10: you know gestation, was under a coalition government.
29:27
Speaker 2: And the coalition has talked about revising it, to revamping
29:33
Speaker 2: it's nuclear policy to potentially create cheap energy for data centers,
29:38
Speaker 2: this AI boom, which is like the certain machine, not
29:40
Speaker 2: going to take everybody's jobs, as you say, but you know,
29:44
Speaker 2: is there some wisdom in that?
29:45
Speaker 3: However?
29:46
Speaker 10: Oh, look, yes, I believe that the coalition's policy of
29:51
Speaker 10: energy neutrality in that we'll take the best option at
29:55
Speaker 10: the best price. There's nothing wrong with that. The problem
29:58
Speaker 10: we have at the moment is we've had for two
29:59
Speaker 10: long central planning where the government decides what's the best policy,
30:04
Speaker 10: excuse me, the best technology?
30:05
Speaker 3: Well yeah so so.
30:06
Speaker 2: But energy gnosticism is the way we need to be is.
30:10
Speaker 10: That you're absolutely you know, get the best. You know,
30:14
Speaker 10: productivity and economies grow by finding the cheapest way and
30:18
Speaker 10: the best way to deliver good services.
30:20
Speaker 1: Input.
30:21
Speaker 10: What we found is, you know, government, the labor government
30:24
Speaker 10: seems to think that the most expensive way will deliver productivity.
30:27
Speaker 10: It's just doesn't make sense.
30:28
Speaker 2: Well, they don't want proactivity, they want a clip of
30:30
Speaker 2: the ticket. Dmitri burstart, We're going to have to live there.
30:32
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your time. Now stick around
30:34
Speaker 2: because after the break we're going to go to London
30:37
Speaker 2: and find out whether Nigel Farrage is a little by
30:39
Speaker 2: election stunt, put it backfire, all that and more. After
30:43
Speaker 2: the break we'll go back to the program. James Morrow here, Todight,
30:51
Speaker 2: sitting in for Chris Kenny. Now, a you go of
30:53
Speaker 2: poll for the Times of London has found that sixty
30:56
Speaker 2: percent of voters believe Nigel Farrage quote acted incorrectly over
31:02
Speaker 2: undisclosed financial gifts unquote.
31:04
Speaker 3: Huh. Well for wre on that.
31:05
Speaker 2: Let's bring in News Corp Europe correspondent and Sky News
31:09
Speaker 2: contributor Sephie Ellsworth selfie. It looks like a beautiful summer
31:14
Speaker 2: day there in London. I'm feeling very jealous here in Chili,
31:18
Speaker 2: Old Sydney. But tell me about this, this latest poll
31:22
Speaker 2: with Nigel Farage. There's seems to be a bit of
31:25
Speaker 2: an orchestrated campaign at the moment to really make life
31:28
Speaker 2: tough for him.
31:30
Speaker 6: Well, James, the bad headlines for Nigel Farrage just don't
31:34
Speaker 6: stop coming. And yes, this UGO poll is out today
31:37
Speaker 6: showing sixteen ten voters saying that he did act incorrectly
31:42
Speaker 6: when it came to receiving political donations or financial donations. Now,
31:49
Speaker 6: Nigel Farrage has said all the long he has done
31:52
Speaker 6: nothing wrong, but he's come under intense sprutiny, including over
31:56
Speaker 6: a five million pound which is about ten million Aussie
32:00
Speaker 6: dollars that he received from a crypto billionaire in the
32:05
Speaker 6: months leading up to him running at the twenty twenty
32:09
Speaker 6: four elections. So, as we know, he's stood down from
32:12
Speaker 6: his seat of Clacton, He's called a by election, he's
32:15
Speaker 6: standing in that by election. There's two inquiries parliamentary scrutiny
32:20
Speaker 6: inquiries into him that have been paused for the moment
32:24
Speaker 6: while this by election is ongoing. So, James, this is
32:28
Speaker 6: a story that just doesn't seem to go away to
32:31
Speaker 6: the Reform UK leader.
32:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Sophie, do people you know, voters may say, well,
32:36
Speaker 2: you know, maybe there was a little something improper, but
32:38
Speaker 2: politicians or politicians, is that going to change their actual
32:41
Speaker 2: support for reform because, of course England and the UK
32:45
Speaker 2: still has all of the problems that Reform has been
32:48
Speaker 2: campaigning on, including economic mora Bund's status and most notably
32:54
Speaker 2: of course migration and the unstopped flow of both people.
33:01
Speaker 6: Well, there certainly is a lot of issues here, James,
33:03
Speaker 6: there is no doubt about that, and a lot of
33:05
Speaker 6: voters are very disgruntled with the two major parties. They
33:09
Speaker 6: blame the Tories, who are in office for fourteen years
33:13
Speaker 6: up until twenty twenty four, for a lot of their problems.
33:16
Speaker 6: And we are now two years into a Labor government.
33:19
Speaker 6: We're about to get a new Prime minister, looks like
33:22
Speaker 6: it will be Manchester mayor Andy Burnham next week, and
33:26
Speaker 6: Britain's largely feel like their lives not any better under
33:31
Speaker 6: the Labor govern't it. So reformers really had that cut through,
33:34
Speaker 6: But these headlines about the financial donations they have been
33:39
Speaker 6: receiving has caused them a lot of headaches, and James,
33:43
Speaker 6: until this by election is over, until the parliamentary parliamentary
33:49
Speaker 6: inquiries are over into views, Nigel Fras just cannot seem
33:53
Speaker 6: to kick this story away.
33:55
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, hey.
33:56
Speaker 2: On the happier news, though England is into the World
33:59
Speaker 2: Cups semifinals now after defeating Norway, and I was really
34:03
Speaker 2: interested to note that the Norwegians didn't tear apart the
34:05
Speaker 2: capital of Oslo when they were kicked out of the
34:08
Speaker 2: World Cup. But you know who knows, different structure, different folks.
34:11
Speaker 2: Over the weekend, they'll face Argentina early on Thursday morning.
34:16
Speaker 3: Is dare I say, is it coming home?
34:21
Speaker 6: Well, there's no doubt the fever. The excitement here on
34:25
Speaker 6: the ground in London and across the UK is enormous. Obviously,
34:29
Speaker 6: there's a lot of anti participation ahead of this clash
34:33
Speaker 6: that will be here Wednesday night local time, and Britain's
34:37
Speaker 6: are obviously hoping that they will make that final on Sunday.
34:41
Speaker 6: Pubs have been absolutely bustling. There's flags all up over
34:46
Speaker 6: the country, football fans are everywhere. They're out here really
34:50
Speaker 6: showing their support for their country and it's really what
34:53
Speaker 6: Britain needs at the moment, James, There's been a lot
34:55
Speaker 6: of bad news here in recent months and it's about time.
34:59
Speaker 6: I think, I think the British people have something to celebrate,
35:02
Speaker 6: So let's see what happens. But this will be absolutely
35:05
Speaker 6: massive England do make the World Cup Final.
35:09
Speaker 3: Yeah, someday.
35:09
Speaker 2: No, We'll be absolutely amazing. I mean even for me,
35:12
Speaker 2: who's you know, on record as not being the biggest
35:14
Speaker 2: soccer fan of the world. But finally, just what do
35:17
Speaker 2: we know do anything more about this amazing royal reunion
35:20
Speaker 2: with the King and Queen hosting Harry, Meghan and their kids.
35:25
Speaker 2: That seems rather like another piece of good news.
35:31
Speaker 6: Look, James, this happened on Friday afternoon. I was up
35:34
Speaker 6: in Birmingham with Prince Harry. He was there for the
35:37
Speaker 6: twelve month countdown to the Victors Games, and then in
35:40
Speaker 6: the afternoon, together with his wife and their two children,
35:43
Speaker 6: they met with the King and Queen. There were no cameras,
35:47
Speaker 6: there was no media. There's been no photos and no
35:50
Speaker 6: comments publicly, which is highly unusual for the Duke and
35:54
Speaker 6: Duchess of Sussex, because, as we know, their modus operandi
35:58
Speaker 6: has been to monetize everything that they can within each
36:02
Speaker 6: of its life of the royal family. But I think
36:04
Speaker 6: they've realized they are so disliked by the British public.
36:08
Speaker 6: Their relationship with members of the royal family is so fractured.
36:13
Speaker 6: They now seem to be appearing to pull their way
36:16
Speaker 6: back in and look. The one good thing is that
36:18
Speaker 6: King Charles, who is now seventy seven we know is
36:21
Speaker 6: battling cancer, finally got to see his two grandchildren and
36:25
Speaker 6: be in the same room for the first time four years.
36:28
Speaker 2: James, Well, that is good to hear. Sophie Olsworth, thank
36:31
Speaker 2: you so much for your time. Great to speak and
36:33
Speaker 2: I hope we'll catch up again soon and stick around
36:35
Speaker 2: because after the break, fantastic All Star panel Jemma Targnini
36:38
Speaker 2: and Kara De Russo on Cricket Australia's will push for gos.
36:44
Speaker 2: This happens earlier and earlier every year, a culturally sensitive
36:47
Speaker 2: Australia dam match. After the break, Welcome back to the program.
36:57
Speaker 2: James Mora here sitting in for Chris Kenny. He'll be
36:59
Speaker 2: back tomorrow night, I am reliably informed.
37:02
Speaker 3: Now.
37:02
Speaker 2: In the meantime, let's bring in our Monday night panel
37:05
Speaker 2: Jemma toog Nini from gd Communications and our own Sky
37:09
Speaker 2: News contributor Caroline Derusso. Well, guys, I'm bit of politics
37:14
Speaker 2: around the place here. Let's start with the resolved.
37:17
Speaker 3: Paul.
37:17
Speaker 2: We've had a bit of a shifting around in some
37:20
Speaker 2: of the numbers with the Libs in one nation three points,
37:24
Speaker 2: kind of moving back and forth there, Jemma tug Neil,
37:27
Speaker 2: let's start with you here on the desk.
37:29
Speaker 3: What do you make of this? And where does this go?
37:35
Speaker 3: Our one nation?
37:36
Speaker 2: And the liberal is going to have to get into
37:38
Speaker 2: some sort of well, dare I use the phrase bed together?
37:41
Speaker 11: Oh look, my learned friend in Perth will probably have
37:43
Speaker 11: an aneurysm as I say this, But this is the
37:46
Speaker 11: obvious direction that they should be considering, at least talking
37:49
Speaker 11: about this far out of election. It's two years to
37:51
Speaker 11: go right and as a wise wise former leader of
37:54
Speaker 11: this country once said, the only polls that counted those
37:56
Speaker 11: on polling day, and the trend is your friend. So
37:59
Speaker 11: let's take both those things and say good news for
38:01
Speaker 11: Angus Taylor and for the people who've been going, oh well,
38:04
Speaker 11: it hasn't been happening fast enough. You know, the turnaround
38:07
Speaker 11: rah rah rah. You know you've got to be patient.
38:09
Speaker 11: We live in a microwave world and this is not
38:11
Speaker 11: a micro microwave process. Is it a normalization or is
38:14
Speaker 11: it like a plateauing for Pauline Hansen, who knows? All
38:17
Speaker 11: I know is that that the Liberal Party should not
38:20
Speaker 11: be talking about one nation, should be talking about the economy.
38:23
Speaker 11: The fact that we have a grubby prime minister who
38:24
Speaker 11: objectifies women and embarrasses his wife in front of the
38:27
Speaker 11: whole world, and makes jokes about the Prime Minister of
38:29
Speaker 11: Japan and melons and stuff like that, and a media
38:33
Speaker 11: that for all intents and purposes runs.
38:34
Speaker 3: Cover for that. Well, sure, but talk about those things.
38:37
Speaker 2: But Carol drewso you know, my masks are not the greatest,
38:41
Speaker 2: But I add up you know these twenty eight plus
38:45
Speaker 2: twenty three that rather whatever the numbers, it comes to
38:50
Speaker 2: pretty close to fifty percent.
38:51
Speaker 3: Here.
38:53
Speaker 2: Why does Augus Taylor seem so anathema to the idea
38:58
Speaker 2: of and in fact you used to be up every
39:00
Speaker 2: sort of stuff he can to create that distance with
39:04
Speaker 2: one nation.
39:06
Speaker 7: Well, I think ultimately he's trying to define what the
39:09
Speaker 7: Liberal Party is going to be about. You can't define
39:11
Speaker 7: yourself by talking about other people. To the point that
39:15
Speaker 7: Jema just made, you've got to talk about what you're
39:17
Speaker 7: going to do, because unless you have your own proposition,
39:20
Speaker 7: you do become irrelevant. So look, the more that we
39:24
Speaker 7: can talk about the economy, the more that we can
39:26
Speaker 7: talk about what was in the budget and reply, the
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Speaker 7: more that we can talk about what the Liberals are
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Speaker 7: going to do, then that there is ultimately what's going
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Speaker 7: to sure up whatever part of that fifty percent is
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Speaker 7: our And look it might add up to fifty percent,
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Speaker 7: but look, it all depends on what happens with preferencing,
39:44
Speaker 7: not only just what kind of arrangements about I'm not
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Speaker 7: even talking about deals. I'm just talking about how the
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Speaker 7: parties decide how to do their own how to vote cards.
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Speaker 7: But then, you know, we live in this world where
39:56
Speaker 7: a lot less people are ballot boxes take how to
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Speaker 7: vote cards. You know, it comes down to a real
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Speaker 7: question about well, what's the discipline and all those sorts
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Speaker 7: of things. So sure, I think Angus, I think Angus
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Speaker 7: is right and talking about what we're going to do,
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Speaker 7: and I think that's absolutely where he needs to be.
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Speaker 7: That there's no point in trying to divvy up the
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Speaker 7: spoils two years out from an election. And you know
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Speaker 7: what has been very interesting about the polls is theyve
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Speaker 7: been like whiplash, that there is just so much vote
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Speaker 7: moving all around the place. I actually think it's really
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Speaker 7: hard to tell where any of that is actually going
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Speaker 7: to sit come a formal polling day.
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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, sure that we have seen. We have seen
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Speaker 3: the broad trend.
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Speaker 2: But you know what, guys, let's we've all had a
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Speaker 2: serious Monday and let's talk about to say a little
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Speaker 2: less a little later here.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know if this is.
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Speaker 2: Later, but my gosh, I couldn't believe this year when
40:46
Speaker 2: I heard about this cricket. We're gonna have cricket on
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Speaker 2: Australia Day, but apparently it's going to be a big
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Speaker 2: bash match that is culturally sensitive and Caroline Russo it's
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Speaker 2: not going to feature the national ethem apparently.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, well that's ridiculous because it's still our national day
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Speaker 7: and it still should have. At when you said culturally sensitive,
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Speaker 7: I thought was a big going to be extra cult
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Speaker 7: But that is something that I think that we can
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Speaker 7: all agree upon and I think that there is a
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Speaker 7: very good way to have a culturally sensitive Australia Day
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Speaker 7: game of cricket. Either do it properly or not do
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Speaker 7: it at all. They haven't done it. For the last
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Speaker 7: couple of years. They've come under quite a lot of
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Speaker 7: criticism and there's been all sorts of, you know, reasons.
41:35
Speaker 7: Maybe there are reasons, maybe their excuses, whatever, I'm not
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Speaker 7: going to judge, but if you're going to do something
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Speaker 7: on Australia Day, just do it properly. The idea that
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Speaker 7: you wouldn't have the national anthem just makes you look
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Speaker 7: bloody ridiculous, Like just I don't understand how the national
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Speaker 7: anthem can be a problem on the national Day.
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Speaker 2: Well, Jemmy, you know I want your perspective on this
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Speaker 2: because you're one of the most fiercely Australian people I
41:59
Speaker 2: know who also it holds true to their Italian heritage.
42:03
Speaker 2: And in this and in this whole multiculturalism ossie culture debate,
42:08
Speaker 2: it seems that I think one of the big reasons
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Speaker 2: why people are so uncomfortable with the term multiculturalism is
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Speaker 2: not because they don't like bondmes and pasta, but it's
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Speaker 2: because they feel like it's actually code for running down
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Speaker 2: Australian culture.
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Speaker 3: And that's what this seems to be about.
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Speaker 11: So I think you've known it there in terms of
42:27
Speaker 11: it's like this hatred of country, this latent hatred of country,
42:30
Speaker 11: or this embarrassment of country. This is there's a reason
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Speaker 11: my nominal Cartalow you know, borrowed the whatever it cost
42:37
Speaker 11: him from his brother to buy an ocean ticket to
42:41
Speaker 11: come to Australia, leaving behind his young wife and my
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Speaker 11: father and myza. Because this is the greatest country in
42:47
Speaker 11: the world.
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Speaker 10: And what really.
42:49
Speaker 11: Toasts my crumpet about these sort of organizations. I'm trying
42:52
Speaker 11: to be clean. It's a family, but what really toasts
42:55
Speaker 11: my crumpet about these organizations and cricket Australia is amongst
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Speaker 11: the worst, is how they are so caught up in
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Speaker 11: their own importance, as if they don't know the people
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Speaker 11: who are playing the game. The kids who play backyard
43:08
Speaker 11: cricket don't hate Australia, do you know what I mean?
43:11
Speaker 11: The people My niece in in Perth, she plays in
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Speaker 11: a community what do you call it?
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Speaker 3: A community league?
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Speaker 11: Just for fun, as she says, the stakes are low,
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Speaker 11: enjoyment is high. Yeah, loves the game. Does not hate
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Speaker 11: this country. These people who run these organizations, who lecture
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Speaker 11: the rest of us and posture the rest of us,
43:30
Speaker 11: they don't know their own country and they don't know
43:33
Speaker 11: their stakeholders. The squeaky wheel is being given the most
43:36
Speaker 11: oil by these people. And if you don't have if
43:38
Speaker 11: you have big bash league on Australia and don't have
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Speaker 11: the national anthem, then shame on you. Retire yourselves and
43:46
Speaker 11: put some people who have got a set of stones
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Speaker 11: and prepared to lead.
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Speaker 3: Maybe Germany.
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Speaker 2: You should give them those squeaky wheels a bit of
43:52
Speaker 2: the extra virgin Italian olive world.
43:55
Speaker 3: They don't have canola. Sorry everyone, no, no, no, look
43:58
Speaker 3: that's all right.
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Speaker 2: We won't get into the seat or debate and Bobby
44:01
Speaker 2: Kennedy tonight. But you know, another thing that struck me
44:05
Speaker 2: today was the government going out and say, oh, how
44:08
Speaker 2: good are we that we're finally getting rid of the
44:12
Speaker 2: stupid little cards that you had to fill out after
44:16
Speaker 2: fourteen hours on a plane, in the tiny little boxes
44:19
Speaker 2: and now they're acting like heroes for this calendar.
44:23
Speaker 3: Calendar is at the start of the show.
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Speaker 2: I talked about how Australia keeps going from being like
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Speaker 2: a very forward leading country to being the you know,
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Speaker 2: late adopters on everything.
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Speaker 3: It's a small thing, but this really.
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Speaker 2: Speaks to the cultural problem that we've got right now.
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Speaker 7: I think that's a really good point that you made, James,
44:42
Speaker 7: and you think about what this got like. I think
44:45
Speaker 7: of Australia at the bus and Tenary and we're probably
44:47
Speaker 7: not allowed to call it the bus and Tenary anymore.
44:49
Speaker 7: But what had been built over that two hundred years
44:52
Speaker 7: was a country of people who are willing to take risks,
44:55
Speaker 7: try new things, just get on and do it. And
44:58
Speaker 7: it was a yes, we can do things. We've now
45:02
Speaker 7: become this country of no, we can't do anything, and
45:05
Speaker 7: when the smallest thing gets done, it becomes this Dave
45:09
Speaker 7: dug a whole moment, like, why are we celebrating something that, Yes,
45:15
Speaker 7: I'm glad that it's happened. Why has it taken this long?
45:19
Speaker 7: How could it possibly be this hard? It is allowing
45:22
Speaker 7: you to come into the country without a piece of
45:25
Speaker 7: paper when we're in a digital age for anything else,
45:30
Speaker 7: this should have happened a long time ago. I'm not
45:32
Speaker 7: giving anyone a pat on the back and telling them
45:35
Speaker 7: that how wonderful they are for digging a hole.
45:38
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly.
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Speaker 2: Hey, Jemma, we don't have much time left, but I
45:41
Speaker 2: wanted to ask you about this because you're a business
45:43
Speaker 2: owner and the work from home issue has become a
45:47
Speaker 2: big thing in Victoria, has become an election issue. There
45:49
Speaker 2: say oh, we're going to get we votes by giving
45:51
Speaker 2: you this statutory rate, but apparently of visturved by the
45:54
Speaker 2: Victorian Chamber of Conerce and Industry has found that a
45:57
Speaker 2: lot of businesses in Victoria are now out looking and saying, look,
46:01
Speaker 2: if we're going to expand, we're going to expand somewhere
46:05
Speaker 2: else because of this. As a business owner, what is
46:08
Speaker 2: your take on the state saying, oh, you have to
46:12
Speaker 2: give people that right to work from home.
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Speaker 11: Till the state is willing to take responsibility for this
46:16
Speaker 11: sort of legislation and the impacts of it, which they're
46:18
Speaker 11: not obviously, then they really should get back in their box,
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Speaker 11: which is not interfering with the private sector other than
46:23
Speaker 11: to make workplaces safe, you know, for people to work in.
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Speaker 11: This to me is the most obvious result ever. Why
46:31
Speaker 11: would you invest in a state apart from the bankruptcy
46:33
Speaker 11: of it generally, But if you've got a government saying
46:36
Speaker 11: your staff must legally be able to work from home
46:39
Speaker 11: two days a week, why would you bother? It doesn't function.
46:42
Speaker 11: It doesn't function. Like I've been in business twenty three
46:45
Speaker 11: years this week, and I've seen a lot of dumb
46:47
Speaker 11: assy in my time. We don't have a Melbourne office
46:50
Speaker 11: with a West Australian office and a new South Wales office.
46:52
Speaker 11: You couldn't pay me to invest in Victoria in a
46:54
Speaker 11: bricks and water office.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think that's I think that says not. I
46:58
Speaker 2: think a lot of people are feeling that way, not
46:59
Speaker 2: just because have worked from home laws, but a lot
47:01
Speaker 2: of other things happening in Victoria. Jemi Tognini, Carol and Drusso,
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Speaker 2: thank you so much for your time. Great fun to
47:06
Speaker 2: have you here. Thank you so much for joining me.
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Speaker 2: Chris Kenny will be back tomorrow night. You can see
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Speaker 2: me Friday night on the US Report. And here is
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Speaker 2: Jamie Rodgers filling in for Peter Kredlin.
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Speaker 3: Good night,