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Phillies L aftermath, Iglesias/Bogaerts disciplined for ump beef, Why you should root for Blue Jays · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: Will we have a moment. We're gonna talk Phillies first
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Speaker 1: of all coming up, So I'm pretty excited about that.
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Speaker 1: I know some people are asking, I guess we can
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Speaker 1: kind of save this about what the Phillies are going
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Speaker 1: to look like next year. There are a lot of
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Speaker 1: question marks. There are quite a few free agents looming,
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Speaker 1: and in general, if you haven't had a good result
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Speaker 1: in the postseason for the last couple of years, even
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Speaker 1: if you feel like you've got the right team, kind
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Speaker 1: of forced Crafts to do something different. We started touching
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Speaker 1: on this last night. Do you disagree?
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Speaker 2: We'll see Are you forced? Really? Like, are you forced
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Speaker 2: to change your team for the regular season if you
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Speaker 2: don't come up with timely hitting in the postseason? You like, okay,
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Speaker 2: so how are you gonna how are you going to
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Speaker 2: identify that? Oh, this guy right here? Like if they
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Speaker 2: had Kyle Tucker, if they had gotten him in the offseason,
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Speaker 2: like they almost did. Do does do their fortunes change?
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Speaker 1: Maybe?
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Speaker 2: No? I mean you can't get you can't forget Altuve,
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Speaker 2: you can't go get John Carlos State. You can't just
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Speaker 2: make your whole team full of guys who have had
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Speaker 2: success in the postseason.
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Speaker 1: It's not just about that. I'm just saying the complexion,
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Speaker 1: what the roster right now hasn't produced good results in
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Speaker 1: the postseason.
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Speaker 2: But you have to have an answer to it. You
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Speaker 2: can't just say results bad, No way. It has to
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Speaker 2: be a execution of it. There has to be a
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Speaker 2: process to it too.
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Speaker 3: I think we might get someone who might know the answers.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well he has the answer. Jack is just really
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Speaker 2: because I don't have them. I don't have.
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Speaker 1: Let's do a good ten minutes here with Jack Fritz
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Speaker 1: from a ninety four to one wip in Philadelphia. Jack,
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Speaker 1: thanks for joining us, and let's actually start with the
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Speaker 1: debate that we were just having. Do you believe that
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Speaker 1: there needs to be some roster turnover when there haven't
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Speaker 1: been postseason results?
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Speaker 4: Well, first off, I'm excited to be here. I can't believe.
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Speaker 4: Of course you bring me on right after Hoffman, who like, like,
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Speaker 4: that's just a sick joke. That's just an absolutely sick joke.
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Speaker 4: Who knows who knows they've brought him back? Am I
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Speaker 4: even here looking like a you know, despondent? So yeah,
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Speaker 4: So on what I do agree with Cratzy from the
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Speaker 4: standpoint of like, they're a really good baseball team that
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Speaker 4: lost to a great baseball team. Are they a perfect team?
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Speaker 4: Absolutely not. And we know that they have their flaws,
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Speaker 4: and I think they'll they'll shake it up a little bit.
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Speaker 4: But at the same time, if you're the Phillies and
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Speaker 4: you see that, like you they just barely lost this series,
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Speaker 4: you know, and and I think they are going to
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Speaker 4: look at that and say, how truly far away are we?
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Speaker 5: They have to get better. They know that, you know.
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Speaker 4: I'm sure they're gonna move on from some core pieces,
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Speaker 4: But like I still would resign kylege I still would
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Speaker 4: have resigned j T. They're probably gonna let Ranger walk.
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Speaker 4: You bring up some of the kids, you know, Justin Crawford,
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Speaker 4: probably in the major leagues next year, Andrew Painter if
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Speaker 4: it has to be in the starting rotation next year,
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Speaker 4: because you're letting Ranger go. I just they lost to
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Speaker 4: a great team, and the a Phillies have defined ways
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Speaker 4: to get better. But don't I don't leave this year
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Speaker 4: saying they're so far away. I think that the second
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Speaker 4: best team in baseball. I thought that if they could
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Speaker 4: have easily won games one or two, if they just
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Speaker 4: locked in a little bit more. They went out to
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Speaker 4: La killed them in Game three, and they lost a brutal,
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Speaker 4: tough baseball game yesterday again to a great, great, great
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Speaker 4: Dodgers team that turned it on at the exact right time.
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Speaker 4: So I don't think they need institutional changes. I think
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Speaker 4: they need marginal changes to make themselves better.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you mentioned far away, not too far away, but
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Speaker 3: speaking of far away, only four hundred and fifty five feet,
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Speaker 3: do you are you buying that?
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Speaker 4: No, that that there's no way that was At least
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Speaker 4: he hit one four eighty eight off you Darvish, right,
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Speaker 4: and and that looked like the exact same like the
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Speaker 4: exact same spot. So no way, there's no way that
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Speaker 4: that was that.
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Speaker 3: I think you get short changed when it hits the
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Speaker 3: very top of the stadium. It's like, I want to
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Speaker 3: know how far it would have went if it just
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Speaker 3: laying it back on earth, not hitting the structure that's built,
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Speaker 3: you know, two hundred feet up in the air. But
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Speaker 3: we we it short changed him. That's that was my
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Speaker 3: only point because that but that was one of the
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Speaker 3: furthest balls that I'd ever seen hit.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's uh, he hits tanks. Unfortunately for the Phillies,
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Speaker 4: like Man. Besides game Game three, when those guys all
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Speaker 4: showed up, the biggest reason why they're sitting home today
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Speaker 4: is they're big three at the top of the lineup
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Speaker 4: to not come through. Like we can talk about the
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Speaker 4: changes they need to make and things like that, but
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Speaker 4: if Kyle Schubert, Tray Turner and Bryce Harper show up
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Speaker 4: in the series, it's a it's a completely different ball game.
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Speaker 5: Now.
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Speaker 4: I know you could say, well, they held out Tawny down,
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Speaker 4: and they they held Noki down, they held Freddie Freeman
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Speaker 4: down pretty well. Dodger will still have like plethora of
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Speaker 4: talent after that, whereas the Phillies are more top halfy.
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Speaker 4: I think they did a better job of filling out
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Speaker 4: their lineup and some of the guys that bounce back years.
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Speaker 4: But I mean, that's that's probably the most disappointing thing
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Speaker 4: sitting here today is had those three shown up outside
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Speaker 4: of one game, it's a totally different series.
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Speaker 2: Do you feel like the offseason Denbrowski put a bullpen
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Speaker 2: together that was a postseason winning bullpen because you still
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Speaker 2: had Alvarado at that time, you lost Hoffman and you maybe,
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Speaker 2: in my opinion, if there's a section. It's starting pitching, bullpen,
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Speaker 2: position players. That bullpen was thin to start the year
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Speaker 2: even before. I mean when we saw Alvarado and spring training,
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Speaker 2: I think it was like seven innings, one hundred strikeouts,
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Speaker 2: something ridiculous. He was, he was kind of a little
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Speaker 2: bit on the little bit on the good good. But
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Speaker 2: to me, it looked like they build it a little short.
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Speaker 2: Do you agree or disagree?
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Speaker 5: I totally agree.
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Speaker 4: Heading into the season, I felt like they were an
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Speaker 4: arm short before it even started. And it ended up
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Speaker 4: being okay because they got Deron and and they got
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Speaker 4: Robertson and he was kind of a they needed him
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Speaker 4: at that point. But I think the one glaring thing
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Speaker 4: about the bullpen, at least this off season. Now, it's
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Speaker 4: nice you have Deron because Dearan is here for another
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Speaker 4: two years. You have a lockdown closer. It's easier to
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Speaker 4: build a pen that way. Shrom's coming back on an option.
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Speaker 4: Unfortunately for Ryan Kirkring, I have no idea what he's
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Speaker 4: gonna look like next year. I mean, that could be
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Speaker 4: something that lingers for forever.
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Speaker 5: Who knows.
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Speaker 4: Hopefully it comes back and me's fine. I feel bad
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Speaker 4: for him today, but Robertson's not coming back. They need
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Speaker 4: they need another right handed option to get the ball
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Speaker 4: to Juan Duran and and that is of all the
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Speaker 4: things they they have to do this offseason. Getting someone
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Speaker 4: I don't know, like Luke Weaver or something like that
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Speaker 4: that can be a real righty for them to get
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Speaker 4: the ball to Doran and get big outs in the
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Speaker 4: postseason and be a bridge is imperative. So that before
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Speaker 4: the season, I thought the bullpen was flawed, bore itself
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Speaker 4: out until the trade deadline, and as something that the
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Speaker 4: Brows gas to get right this offseason.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, speaking of the way the game ended yesterday, what
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Speaker 3: is the reaction in Philly? Do you turn on the
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Speaker 3: local radio stations listen in. What is the reaction as
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Speaker 3: what I expect?
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Speaker 1: Oh?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, so it's interesting. People are definitely they're mad
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Speaker 4: at the Phillies. I think they're mostly mad at the
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Speaker 4: top three. They're mad at Schwarber, Harper, and Turner. I
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Speaker 4: think there's a good portion of Philly is that feels
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Speaker 4: bad for Ryan Kirkering.
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Speaker 5: You know, we're all humans. He's a human.
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Speaker 4: He's a younger kid, and he just blacked out, Like
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Speaker 4: he just blacked out and had one of the biggest
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Speaker 4: blunders that I.
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Speaker 5: Think I've ever seen here. You know, like they're calling
9:01
Speaker 5: it Oriyan's melt, you know, instead of Orion's belt. So yeah,
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Speaker 5: you believe him.
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Speaker 3: Do you believe him? Coming out in front of the
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Speaker 3: camera and being raw and vulnerable and being human has
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Speaker 3: helped totally.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, it's hard to it's hard to have
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Speaker 4: all this anger when you see the guy almost you know,
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Speaker 4: welling up when talking about it, because I mean, he
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Speaker 4: feels like he let down his teammates, He felt like
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Speaker 4: he let down an entire city. And the truth is
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Speaker 4: like they didn't lose that game because of Ryan karaktering.
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Speaker 5: It sucked. It was it was unbelievable.
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Speaker 4: I felt like I was watching it in slow motion
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Speaker 4: and I was like, oh, perfect out, what was he doing?
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Speaker 5: Like what do you mean? What are you doing? On anyway,
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Speaker 5: But I think the most of.
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Speaker 4: The anger is is is geared towards the top three
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Speaker 4: in the offense, even having them in that situation. And
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Speaker 4: then I think as we get further and further away
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Speaker 4: from the series, I'm just going to keep going back
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Speaker 4: to games one and two and thinking if they could
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Speaker 4: have stolen one of those, it's a completely different series.
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Speaker 5: But yeah, people are people are annoyed.
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Speaker 4: People are really annoyed because I think what happened this
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Speaker 4: year is that people believed again and they believed after
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Speaker 4: last year when they lost to the Mets and they
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Speaker 4: went down like dogs, and and the city was done
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Speaker 4: with them, and they sucked us back in and they
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Speaker 4: had us believing again they were different and Harrison Batter
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Speaker 4: with the what a Gift thing?
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Speaker 5: I love Harrison Bader and he got to resign him.
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Speaker 4: And you have Deron and the intro and you're like, damn,
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Speaker 4: it's one more time, like I'm open my heart and
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Speaker 4: then they just stomp on it. They just stomp on it.
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Speaker 4: And I think that that is that is what is
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Speaker 4: hitting people. I think there's more sadness today that the
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Speaker 4: season's over than mad personally. Now maybe that's just me
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Speaker 4: projecting because I've been despondent for you know, twelve hours,
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Speaker 4: but I think that there's more sadness today than than
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Speaker 4: like real mad. Because you do have to give it
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Speaker 4: to the Dodgers too. Man, they're they're they're great, and
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Speaker 4: damn damn they were right there.
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Speaker 2: Do you think they bring topperback this this team, this
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Speaker 2: exact team, the window is closed and you do bring topperback?
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Speaker 4: Well, I don't think the windows closed. I think it's
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Speaker 4: I think there's gonna be some different pieces to it.
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Speaker 4: You know, I think I think Casianos is a guy
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Speaker 4: who may play his last game as a filly yesterday.
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Speaker 4: Maybe Alec Baum, even though he had a good series,
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Speaker 4: feels like those are the two perpetual ones that you know,
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Speaker 4: they're always in the on the possibly getting moved out
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Speaker 4: of here thing. And I think I think had they
11:27
Speaker 4: lost in three after what Thompson did in games one
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Speaker 4: and two, I think that there would be more of
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Speaker 4: an uproar to move move on from him. But just
11:37
Speaker 4: in my gut, I don't think they're going to move
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Speaker 4: on from him. Although if you're gonna run back with
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Speaker 4: essentially the same team and maybe a little bit of
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Speaker 4: different mix, maybe then you you you think, hey, I
11:48
Speaker 4: mean there's a manager that won a World Series two
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Speaker 4: years ago that that that was his fourth Maybe he's
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Speaker 4: the guy that could put this team over the top.
11:55
Speaker 4: And Bruce Bochie. But in my gut, I I think
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Speaker 4: Rob Thompson's coming back.
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Speaker 3: What kind of deal you think Kyle Schwarber is gonna
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Speaker 3: get and are the willing Are the Phillies willing to
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Speaker 3: pay that price?
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Speaker 5: Yeah?
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Speaker 4: I think like four to one twenty feels about right.
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Speaker 4: I think he wants that fourth year. I think the
12:12
Speaker 4: Phillies are more comfortable the third year, but I think
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Speaker 4: that fourth year gets it done. And listen, I love Schwarber,
12:20
Speaker 4: but at the same time, one hit in the Met
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Speaker 4: Series last year was a home run, really just showed
12:26
Speaker 4: up in one game in this series, and only the
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Speaker 4: double in the first inning yesterday, So like, maybe that
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Speaker 4: keeps it down. I don't think it will, because yet
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Speaker 4: it's still a monster year. But I think four to
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Speaker 4: one twenty feels feels about right for Kyle Schwarber.
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Speaker 1: Okay, good stuff, Well we got all our questions in
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Speaker 1: a good ten. Jack We appreciate the time, man, have
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Speaker 1: fun on your own show, or you know, as much
12:51
Speaker 1: fun as you can talk them sports for a living.
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Speaker 1: At least Mat Kratz, I'm trying to give him a
12:55
Speaker 1: little bit of positive motivation here.
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Speaker 2: On Philly Flyers, Eagles and Philly's lost. It's a tough day,
13:02
Speaker 2: great day for you, Jackie boy.
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Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, Well we don't acknowledge the Flyers. We
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Speaker 5: don't know that happened. And the other show that's our pets.
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Speaker 4: Heads are falling off with the Eagles and uh and yeah,
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Speaker 4: it's gonna be It's gonna be an exciting day but
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Speaker 4: also an awful day, So really looking forward to it.
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Speaker 4: But I appreciate you guys having me on.
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Speaker 1: Hey, hot corner, let's sizzle. This news just came out.
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Speaker 1: Jose Gleasias has been slapped with a one game suspension
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Speaker 1: and Xander Bogart's and undisclosed to find both of them
13:34
Speaker 1: in some trouble for their conduct towards the umpires in
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Speaker 1: the dugout following game three KP. Have you ever seen
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Speaker 1: this before? I mean this type of closeness after a
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Speaker 1: game where clearly it was contentious, there was a wrong call,
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Speaker 1: and the Padres feel like it ended their season.
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Speaker 3: I've seen it in a very similar venue at older
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Speaker 3: venue in Fenway, when the actually have to walk through
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Speaker 3: your dugout to go up there not a playoff game,
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Speaker 3: but a regular season game, and that's something that should
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Speaker 3: be It shouldn't really happen because it was a moment
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Speaker 3: a playoff game, you know, obviously the wrong call was made.
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Speaker 3: Players are human beings. Some players are human beings. Emotions
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Speaker 3: got the best of them, but they should never really
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Speaker 3: kind of have to leave out of the same exit
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Speaker 3: that could have been avoidable, and why.
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Speaker 1: Are we suspending guys for next year?
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Speaker 3: Let things that happen last year die with their season
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Speaker 3: allow the guy to play next year.
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Speaker 1: Move on, really good point here too, Kratz. I mean
14:39
Speaker 1: we have a big dumper in baseball. We also have
14:41
Speaker 1: the famous Friday news dumper in baseball. This is so
14:46
Speaker 1: classic to put this out on a Friday afternoon, but
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Speaker 1: it is what it is. It's a story. And I'm
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Speaker 1: wondering if there's another way for the umps to go out.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I know covering and it depends on the ballpark,
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Speaker 1: but covering postseason games, sometimes or most of the time,
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Speaker 1: we would come out of a spot where the umps
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Speaker 1: would come in, and I thought that was partially for
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Speaker 1: them to not exit through where players are going to
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Speaker 1: be on that parks.
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Speaker 2: So the umpires go like when there's like a separate
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Speaker 2: think Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh down the third baseline, although they have
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Speaker 2: to make the playoffs, so Bob Nutting doesn't like that,
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Speaker 2: but there's a separate way to go down the steps.
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Speaker 2: It looks like it's the dugout, but it's actually a
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Speaker 2: separate entrance. It's the groundskeepers. So I think it's stayed
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Speaker 2: in the stadium. I mean, think about Wrigly. They didn't
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Speaker 2: you could barely fit in the dugout before, and then
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Speaker 2: they've done so many renovations, but there's no second way out, Like,
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Speaker 2: not only are they going down those steps right there
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Speaker 2: and Wrigley, they're going down into those into the dugout,
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Speaker 2: and then they're going down basically either through the video room.
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Speaker 2: I think they have to go through the video room,
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Speaker 2: which is at the bottom of dugout, and so you're
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Speaker 2: you're going through some you're going through some fire, and
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Speaker 2: guys are pissed. I don't agree at all with so
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Speaker 2: many parts of this. I don't agree with what Iglesias
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Speaker 2: did and Bogarts did. I don't agree with the umpire
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Speaker 2: barking back. I don't agree with them having to walk through.
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Speaker 2: It just felt like everybody was set up for failure
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Speaker 2: to make a bad choice, Like everybody's just barking back,
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Speaker 2: and unfortunately the other umpires were like, okay, okay, okay,
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Speaker 2: we got it. That's the that's the Padres trainer right there,
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Speaker 2: who's helping hold hold some of the guys back. Like
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Speaker 2: it's just.
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Speaker 1: It's not good, okay. I think most people agree that
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Speaker 1: it was not a good situation. But whenever something gets
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Speaker 1: called out, I need a solution. What would have been
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Speaker 1: the solution in that scenario? And yes, I'm thinking back
16:48
Speaker 1: now to when I covered Cups postseason games and we're
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Speaker 1: going through a lot of concourse and fans and stuff,
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Speaker 1: because again, there's just not the same setup as some
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Speaker 1: of the other ballparks. Right. A lot of the parks
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Speaker 1: crats have have do have the separate tunnel there, Like
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Speaker 1: I'm thinking of Houston for example, because they've been there
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Speaker 1: a million times since the Astros have been in the
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Speaker 1: postseason lot they have that spot where I guess still
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Speaker 1: technically you can go through some fans. It's it's like
17:13
Speaker 1: the bougie sweet underground kind of area. There's all that food,
17:16
Speaker 1: but then you can veer off, you know what I'm
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Speaker 1: talking about. And so the umps go through and then
17:20
Speaker 1: we go out to do our interviews and it's completely
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Speaker 1: separated from the players. That's a more modern ballpark.
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Speaker 3: Though.
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Speaker 2: You can't you Okay, the answer, The answer is there's
17:32
Speaker 2: always going to be something wonky about it. Do you
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Speaker 2: wait for the players to get out? Do you wait
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Speaker 2: for it? Because that's that's brutal. You make the umpires
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Speaker 2: just stand out there in the field while, you know,
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Speaker 2: because it could have been the other way it could
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Speaker 2: have been. It could have gone against the Cubs and
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Speaker 2: the Padres. The Padres had, you know, they were celebrating
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Speaker 2: on the field in that moment, like it could have
17:57
Speaker 2: been different. Maybe they should have two sets separate ways,
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Speaker 2: Like let's say to go through the Padres dug out there. Hey, look,
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Speaker 2: we got to use our we got to use our field.
18:06
Speaker 2: Change it up, we're going through the cubs. Dugout? Why
18:09
Speaker 2: are we going through the cubs dug out?
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Speaker 4: Now?
18:10
Speaker 2: I like the other way you might have to walk
18:12
Speaker 2: a little bit farther, but the Cubs are out on
18:14
Speaker 2: the field jumping around. Padres are looking to cut your
18:18
Speaker 2: head off.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, a couple things. First off, I just want to
18:22
Speaker 1: mention that Iglesias has a chance to appeal. He's going
18:26
Speaker 1: to appeal, so he might win that battle and get
18:28
Speaker 1: it reduced to a fine. It's one game, so they
18:31
Speaker 1: pretty much slapped the minimum on him and then it
18:33
Speaker 1: could still come down. But KP. Maybe we all learned
18:37
Speaker 1: from this. And when I say we, it's mostly the
18:40
Speaker 1: league and the umpires to decide. If you're in a
18:43
Speaker 1: spot like Wrigley where you have to go through players,
18:48
Speaker 1: you don't even have to look at the specific game.
18:50
Speaker 1: What if the umps exit where the team that won
18:56
Speaker 1: is right where the team that won is located, Because
18:59
Speaker 1: you're not going to have a pissed off team after
19:01
Speaker 1: they won a game, not nearly as much if I mean,
19:03
Speaker 1: sure you could have some weird situation that popped up,
19:05
Speaker 1: but what if you just do that and yeah, if
19:07
Speaker 1: you have to walk an extra two minutes, who the
19:09
Speaker 1: hell cares at that point?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think there should always be a
19:13
Speaker 3: contingency plan in place too, because very easily, if the
19:18
Speaker 3: Padres would have won that you know, let's say the
19:21
Speaker 3: fans were really upset, maybe the game ended the other way,
19:24
Speaker 3: and the fans are really upset at the umpires over
19:26
Speaker 3: the call that they made, and maybe even their safety
19:29
Speaker 3: is in jeopardy. Like, I think, there's got to be
19:31
Speaker 3: a bunch of different sort of contingency plans is for
19:35
Speaker 3: these umpires that get off the field safely. But like
19:39
Speaker 3: you said, I mean, players should learn from this. I
19:42
Speaker 3: know emotions are really high. It's really unfortunate that it happened,
19:47
Speaker 3: but I think it's something they should take a look at.
19:49
Speaker 3: And even in an older ballpark like Wrigley, there's got
19:53
Speaker 3: to be a second way for them to get out,
19:55
Speaker 3: and even if it takes them a little bit longer
19:57
Speaker 3: to have to walk a little bit further off the field,
19:59
Speaker 3: let's just make sure that the get off the field
20:01
Speaker 3: not having to necessarily interact with either team. Like you said,
20:05
Speaker 3: a lot of these new ballparks do a good job
20:07
Speaker 3: of it. Now that I'm on the other side, the
20:09
Speaker 3: media side, I saw where you know, I would enter
20:12
Speaker 3: on the fields the same way that the umpires are
20:14
Speaker 3: coming in and out of the field, and they never
20:16
Speaker 3: really have to interact with either Dugout.
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Speaker 1: Also abs coming next year challenge system that will help
20:26
Speaker 1: don't run out of challenges at the wrong time, and
20:29
Speaker 1: then you can win that battle fair and square, and
20:31
Speaker 1: then you can beat up a robot if you disagree.
20:34
Speaker 1: But last point here too, there is security that MLB
20:38
Speaker 1: I think does a good job with. I mean, I
20:40
Speaker 1: remember every single game I've covered, and it's always all
20:43
Speaker 1: about we have to wait the securities handling getting the
20:46
Speaker 1: umpires off the field. But again, yes, I do think
20:48
Speaker 1: a key here is that you're at regularly and you're
20:51
Speaker 1: in a tougher spot. But now hopefully everyone learns from
20:54
Speaker 1: this situation, because yeah, it looked like it kind of
20:57
Speaker 1: could have gotten much worse, if anything. KP. I mean,
21:00
Speaker 1: and you're pissed off your season's over. One person barks,
21:03
Speaker 1: another person barks back.
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Speaker 3: I'm almost certain I've never been on the cub side,
21:09
Speaker 3: but I would imagine the way that the underneath set
21:13
Speaker 3: up behind the visiting dugout is probably mirrored by the
21:17
Speaker 3: other way. So just make a tunnel that they can
21:21
Speaker 3: enter and exit to both sides, and just always go
21:24
Speaker 3: out the team that wins, because usually they're in a
21:26
Speaker 3: better mood.
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Speaker 1: Bingo. I really think that's the move. Good. We have solved.
21:32
Speaker 1: We have solved world.
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Speaker 5: You're welcome.
21:34
Speaker 3: You're welcome, rob.
21:35
Speaker 1: Baseball world problem that has plagued us all Pick Your
21:39
Speaker 1: Poison is a now famous series where you suddenly have
21:43
Speaker 1: to root for a different team because you love baseball
21:45
Speaker 1: too damn much and you don't want to just watch
21:47
Speaker 1: to watch, So which team do you want to ride
21:50
Speaker 1: the rest of the way? And it becomes more difficult
21:52
Speaker 1: as we progress here in the postseason. But it's the
21:54
Speaker 1: perfect day to have KP on the show to talk
21:57
Speaker 1: about the Toronto Blue Jays and why some baseball fans
22:00
Speaker 1: should adopt the team in Canada. The rest of the way,
22:04
Speaker 1: KP played for this team for a long time. You
22:07
Speaker 1: know this franchise well. The way they treat their fans,
22:09
Speaker 1: the way they treat players. The fact that they haven't
22:11
Speaker 1: won since nineteen ninety three, over thirty years ago, tell
22:16
Speaker 1: us why some fans who don't know the Blue Jays
22:18
Speaker 1: organization well should grab them for the next few weeks.
22:24
Speaker 3: Where do I start?
22:25
Speaker 5: Where do I start?
22:27
Speaker 3: Unbelievable fan base, super deserving of winning, very passionate. Like
22:33
Speaker 3: you mentioned, they haven't won since the early nineties, but
22:35
Speaker 3: they still come out and support their team. They love baseball,
22:40
Speaker 3: they love all their sports. They're starving for a winner.
22:44
Speaker 3: They come in year out, year year in and year out.
22:47
Speaker 3: Support this team. Reasons if you're a fan and your
22:51
Speaker 3: team's no longer in it, why you should root for
22:53
Speaker 3: the Blue Jays. I have a couple of notes here,
22:55
Speaker 3: wrote down during that Yankee series, they had eight guys
22:58
Speaker 3: with two plus RBIs, They had eighteen two strike hits,
23:03
Speaker 3: and in Game four, facing a guy in cam who
23:07
Speaker 3: struck out twelve Red Sox in the wild cut round.
23:12
Speaker 3: I need someone to check these stats, but I think
23:14
Speaker 3: they only had four swing and misses. So if you
23:16
Speaker 3: want to watch exciting and a fun brand of baseball
23:20
Speaker 3: where you're not just waiting for one guy at a
23:22
Speaker 3: home run or they're going to strike out, or they're
23:24
Speaker 3: going to walk, and be this three outcome team. This
23:27
Speaker 3: team is always exciting to watch. Their bats are incredible.
23:33
Speaker 3: They're so selfless, they never want to talk about themselves.
23:37
Speaker 3: This is the definition of a team, and I think
23:39
Speaker 3: this is why you should get behind them.
23:42
Speaker 2: If you're going to join a team, if you're going
23:44
Speaker 2: to join a fan base that you have, or follow
23:46
Speaker 2: a team that you haven't, you got to at least
23:48
Speaker 2: follow one player. I talked about the Mariners Cal Raley.
23:54
Speaker 2: This team just minted. I mean the ink is still
23:56
Speaker 2: drying on the Vladi Guerrero extension. A guy who was
24:02
Speaker 2: drafted by this team, not traded over and found like
24:06
Speaker 2: he was drafted by the Blue Jays. He came up
24:09
Speaker 2: through their system. His manager now in the big leagues
24:13
Speaker 2: was his double a manager in in New Hampshire. They
24:17
Speaker 2: won championships there. That combination of two guys is going
24:22
Speaker 2: to give you that. Like, man, I can get behind
24:25
Speaker 2: these guys every single day. I can get behind Vladdie.
24:28
Speaker 2: The lineage of his ability to hit comes from his dad,
24:34
Speaker 2: and yet now he also added to that plate discipline.
24:38
Speaker 2: He added to that this postseason. I don't remember his
24:42
Speaker 2: final numbers, but it was like six something that he
24:45
Speaker 2: was hitting like he is rising to the moment. And
24:51
Speaker 2: to me, if I'm joining a fan base, I can
24:54
Speaker 2: I know I'm gonna I know, I'm gonna look at
24:56
Speaker 2: this roster. I'm gonna be like, I know, Vladdie's playing
24:58
Speaker 2: every single day, so I'm gonna other organizations it's like, oh, man, Like, okay,
25:03
Speaker 2: well we're platooning. So my favorite guys hitting first. Now
25:07
Speaker 2: it's a lefty. Now he's gonna hit six. No, Vladdie's
25:11
Speaker 2: the heart and soul of that order, and everybody else
25:14
Speaker 2: just kind of follows along.
25:18
Speaker 1: For me, KP, I consider myself a new school and
25:22
Speaker 1: old school fan. I like certain stats. I think they're
25:25
Speaker 1: super helpful. I think we were too reliant fifteen, twenty
25:28
Speaker 1: years ago or whatever when I was growing up on
25:31
Speaker 1: stats that you know, didn't necessarily tell the whole picture. Okay,
25:36
Speaker 1: But at the same time, there were parts of the
25:37
Speaker 1: game that I fell in love with that I felt
25:40
Speaker 1: like we got so far away from during one of
25:43
Speaker 1: the more dead times in our sport, where I think
25:45
Speaker 1: we lost a lot of young fans. Three true outcome,
25:48
Speaker 1: super super slow paced games. We are getting away from that,
25:52
Speaker 1: and for me, if you're a fan of the time
25:55
Speaker 1: period before that and the time period that I think
25:57
Speaker 1: we're getting out of, where it's faster, it is more contact,
26:02
Speaker 1: there's more emphasis on defense, and that's what I'm talking about.
26:05
Speaker 1: Our defensive metrics perfect by no means, but we had
26:07
Speaker 1: nothing for a long period of time growing up. So
26:09
Speaker 1: at least we have something, and that's something tells us
26:11
Speaker 1: When you look at Toronto aside from the Game three
26:14
Speaker 1: loss over the last three years, and you watch them
26:17
Speaker 1: play defense, you're like, Yeah, that's fun, that's clean, that's good.
26:21
Speaker 1: That's what young kids should look at. Right. So for me,
26:25
Speaker 1: if you want that brand of baseball to become more
26:28
Speaker 1: of a thing, then you want that team to win
26:30
Speaker 1: the World Series because it's a copycat league, and then
26:33
Speaker 1: front offices are going to be like, oh wait, they're
26:35
Speaker 1: going to go jumping back to their computers. Wait, wait,
26:37
Speaker 1: what are the Blue Jays doing? We aren't doing this.
26:39
Speaker 1: We got to get more into contact defense, a little
26:43
Speaker 1: bit more of an old school style that Eric Chabez,
26:45
Speaker 1: former hitting coach for the Mets, just talked about with
26:48
Speaker 1: us on foul territory a day ago. So I think
26:51
Speaker 1: that actually is a factor here. If you enjoy a
26:53
Speaker 1: certain brand of baseball, then you want that brand of
26:56
Speaker 1: baseball to win, and you will see more of it
26:58
Speaker 1: in the sport.
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Speaker 3: I do believe that they're a top five, maybe number
27:03
Speaker 3: one in base running. Two. So let's changed the narrative
27:07
Speaker 3: on the on the three true outcomes. Let's talk about
27:10
Speaker 3: the Blue Jays three outcomes. They're gonna put the ball
27:13
Speaker 3: in play, they're gonna run the base as well, and
27:15
Speaker 3: they're gonna play defense. Those are your new three true outcomes.
27:18
Speaker 3: Most teams should follow that recipe. It helps you win.
27:21
Speaker 2: Games, but you gotta put a value on it. You
27:24
Speaker 2: gotta put a value on it. What do you mean
27:29
Speaker 2: there's any elite value in stolen strikes. There's an elite
27:34
Speaker 2: value in home runs, there's an elite value for pitchers
27:37
Speaker 2: striking out. You have to put a value on it.
27:39
Speaker 2: That's going to be manipulated and be able to be taught,
27:43
Speaker 2: because you can never have hit and you can be
27:46
Speaker 2: taught to swing really hard and hit the ball far.
27:50
Speaker 2: You can't have ever, never played and be taught and
27:54
Speaker 2: teach somebody. Okay, here's how your base run. You're Dave McKay.
27:59
Speaker 2: That's I mean, that's really what Dalton Varshow brought over
28:01
Speaker 2: to the Blue Jays his elite based running, and everybody
28:04
Speaker 2: followed suit from what he was taught by Dave McKay.
28:08
Speaker 2: So you have to find that value and you have
28:10
Speaker 2: to prove to the organizations that that value is more
28:13
Speaker 2: than the extreme value of a home run, extreme value
28:18
Speaker 2: of strikeouts by pitchers.
28:21
Speaker 1: I'll throw one other pick your poison example out there,
28:26
Speaker 1: and you know, we have plenty of Canadians that watch
28:29
Speaker 1: this show. We have many Americans that watch this show.
28:32
Speaker 1: I often root for fan bases that don't get a
28:35
Speaker 1: lot of winning because I think it's cool when you
28:37
Speaker 1: haven't seen it for a long period of time. And
28:39
Speaker 1: I just mentioned the team right, the Blue Jays not
28:41
Speaker 1: winning since nineteen ninety three. I think I have this right, KP.
28:45
Speaker 1: Because I did work for NHL Network for a while
28:46
Speaker 1: and I looked it up real quick. But the last
28:49
Speaker 1: Canadian team to win the Stanley Cup, it's hard to
28:52
Speaker 1: believe it, but I think it's nineteen ninety three, right,
28:56
Speaker 1: the Montreal Canadians think that's what they say.
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Speaker 5: Right, I definitely knows the country.
29:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not the Leafs. When's the last time the.
29:06
Speaker 3: Leaves are much the Leafs are? You know, in Toronto,
29:11
Speaker 3: it's a big thing. They haven't won in forever, but
29:14
Speaker 3: people still love the team like they go out and
29:16
Speaker 3: support them, like the country, the city of Toronto. But
29:20
Speaker 3: you have to mention the entire country of Canada wants
29:24
Speaker 3: a winner so bad, and basketball is not even that
29:26
Speaker 3: big of a deal. In it's a big deal in
29:28
Speaker 3: Toronto and maybe a little bit on the east coast
29:31
Speaker 3: of Canada. As you get out west, it's not a
29:33
Speaker 3: big thing. They had over four million people at the
29:36
Speaker 3: parade for when the Raptors wanted a couple of years ago.
29:39
Speaker 3: So these people are just wanting to see a winner
29:42
Speaker 3: so bad.
29:44
Speaker 1: If you want baseball to continue to be in an
29:47
Speaker 1: international sport, then every once in a while, yeah, you
29:50
Speaker 1: get another country pulling off a dub, especially when there's
29:53
Speaker 1: only one team in Canada, there's one team outside of
29:57
Speaker 1: the United States, right so we've seen the sport really
30:00
Speaker 1: go to the next level globally, especially in Japan with
30:04
Speaker 1: the emergence of Sho Heeo Tani as one of the
30:06
Speaker 1: best players we've really ever seen. So for Canada purposes
30:11
Speaker 1: right now, this is a country that hasn't seen any
30:14
Speaker 1: winner in their favorite sports since nineteen ninety three. Toronto
30:17
Speaker 1: specifically hasn't won since nineteen sixty seven. So there's some
30:20
Speaker 1: cool history here that could be cracked and it'd be
30:23
Speaker 1: funny if finally they get a title from sports that
30:25
Speaker 1: they truly love, on the baseball side before the hockey side.
30:29
Speaker 1: So anyway, if there's something else that you think we're missing,
30:32
Speaker 1: reason whyse drop it in the comments if you're looking
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Speaker 1: at this later