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Wired To Hunt Podcast #235: Aggressive Public Land and Ghillie Suit Tactics w/ Zach Ferenbaugh · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for
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  Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,
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  Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm
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  Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyon. This episode number two and thirty five,
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  Speaker 1: and today in the show, we are talking about public
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  Speaker 1: land white tails. We are talking about stalking down deer
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  Speaker 1: on the ground. We are discussing being mobile first time
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  Speaker 1: sits finding the hot sign, and so much more. And
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  Speaker 1: to do that, we're joined by Zack Barrenbaugh of The
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you
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  Speaker 1: by Onyx and today we're talking public land white tails
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  Speaker 1: and joining Dan and I is Zach Fahrenbaugh. And if
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  Speaker 1: your YouTube watcher, you're probably are possibly familiar with Zack
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  Speaker 1: because of his work with Midwest white tail in the
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  Speaker 1: past and his current work with the hunting public. If
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  Speaker 1: you're not familiar with these guys, gotta check them out
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  Speaker 1: the Hunting Public. It's one of the absolute best white
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  Speaker 1: tail YouTube channels out there right now. Um, and it's Zack,
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  Speaker 1: and it's Aaron Warburton, who was a guest of ours
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  Speaker 1: last summer, and a handful of other guys. They're putting
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  Speaker 1: out almost daily video blogs showcasing their public land hunts
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  Speaker 1: all over the place they're They're living in Iowa, but
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  Speaker 1: they're also going to other places like Nebraska, Kentucky, UM, Missouri.
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  Speaker 1: I heard they're going to Alabama. Who knows. They're all
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  Speaker 1: over the place. They're doing a great job, and I
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  Speaker 1: think it's I think it's shining a great light on
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  Speaker 1: the public land opportunities that are out there. Uh, they're
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  Speaker 1: getting on some great bucks. They're showing that you can
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  Speaker 1: hunt quality mature deer even if you don't have a
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  Speaker 1: big farm and food plot. So I think that's awesome.
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  Speaker 1: I've really been enjoying what they're doing. And um, I
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  Speaker 1: think Zack is gonna be a guy who has some
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  Speaker 1: interesting thoughts, some interesting stories. So I'm excited. Dan. I
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  Speaker 1: gotta say, though, you know, I've been out chasing some
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  Speaker 1: public land bucks. Zack's chasing public land bucks. When are
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  Speaker 1: we gonna get you take the plunge in public land? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: I got some stuff in here in Michigan. That's just
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  Speaker 1: calling her name. Oh okay, so it has to be
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  Speaker 1: in Michigan. Yeah. I hunted on public last season, dude,
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  Speaker 1: early season. Oh, I guess you did too. I did.
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  Speaker 1: And I hunted on public land this year during elk season.
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  Speaker 1: I mean that doesn't count, Okay, Okay. Basically, I'm just
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  Speaker 1: trying to get you to leave your wonderful deer hunting
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  Speaker 1: and come down to come down to my level. So
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  Speaker 1: I feel less bad. But yeah, basically, what you're telling
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  Speaker 1: me is, hey, Dan, we need you to hunt really
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  Speaker 1: shitty ground exactly because okay, because you got it too good.
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  Speaker 1: Did you see did you see that comment on Facebook today? Um?
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  Speaker 1: Someone you asked on the nine Finger Chronicles facebook page
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  Speaker 1: if what people thought about high fence hunting and someone
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  Speaker 1: and then someone comments, isn't that what it's like in Iowa?
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  Speaker 1: Or isn't it So do you mean Iowa bow hunting? Yeah? Exactly, exactly. Like, man,
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  Speaker 1: uh so, how are you otherwise you are getting excited? Uh? Yeah, dude,
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  Speaker 1: I'm I'm starting to really think about this season, um
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  Speaker 1: a lot lately, just from a planning standpoint. There's not
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  Speaker 1: much I can really do, but I know that I
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  Speaker 1: have a lot to do, so uh man, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I just feel like I'm really, really, really behind this year.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't I haven't moved my trail cameras off the
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  Speaker 1: mineral sites yet because I haven't. I've just been crazy busy.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't set up all the tree stands that I
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  Speaker 1: needed to set up because I've been crazy busy. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: all these are kind of excuses, but um, I'm I'm
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  Speaker 1: playing this chess match right now, me in time, right,
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  Speaker 1: so I have to be here for my kids and
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  Speaker 1: I have, like I got back on my elk hunt right,
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  Speaker 1: so now I have to really focus on the family
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  Speaker 1: for the next you know, two weeks until I can
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  Speaker 1: get out. I might get out opening evening October one,
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  Speaker 1: but then that we weekend, my wife has stuff going on,
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  Speaker 1: so I have to babysit. It's like, uh, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. It's not easy, right. And I got
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  Speaker 1: inspired because I was talking to this guy on the
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  Speaker 1: nine Finger Chronicles podcast uh this this past weekend and
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  Speaker 1: he's found a lot of success early season um bow hunting,
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  Speaker 1: And I want to kill a dear early season so bad,
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  Speaker 1: Like I don't. I want to find one and kill
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  Speaker 1: one that meets my standards and not have to go
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  Speaker 1: into the rut for some reason this year, I want to.
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  Speaker 1: I want to get it done and get it done early.
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  Speaker 1: More power to you man that early season. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I mean the September hunts. Now, I know you're not
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  Speaker 1: gonna be hunt September, but I've really fallen in love
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  Speaker 1: with the September bow hunting. Catching him on that bed
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  Speaker 1: defeat pattern they're really on a pattern trying to decipher
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  Speaker 1: that quickly and make an adjustment and get on him.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's a lot of fun um. And I
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  Speaker 1: know Zach, he's gonna have some stuff to talk about
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  Speaker 1: that because they do that a lot um as certainly
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  Speaker 1: as possible. Now, um, oh god, I guess what I
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  Speaker 1: was gonna ask you was gonna be related to your
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  Speaker 1: trail cameras. But you haven't checked your trail cameras yet
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  Speaker 1: one yeah, just one time, and you're not going to
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  Speaker 1: check them until you start hunting? Is that if I remember?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I have this rule that says, uh, don't
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  Speaker 1: go into the timber during September period. And I I
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  Speaker 1: mean a lot of those, A lot of those trail
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  Speaker 1: cameras are on the edge of the timber. Like I could.
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  Speaker 1: I could drive to most of them, uh all except
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  Speaker 1: maybe two of them. But it's just, man, I like,
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  Speaker 1: I want to know what's there. I want to know
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  Speaker 1: what happened with this shift, right. I want to get
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  Speaker 1: my trail camera More importantly, I want to get my
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  Speaker 1: trail cameras in position for October so so that when
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  Speaker 1: the rut does hit, I have you know, four or
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  Speaker 1: four and a half weeks of data to let me know. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: you know when some of this stuff going when some
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  Speaker 1: of the stuff is going down. Yeah, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: know you've got that September rule. But if you can
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  Speaker 1: drive to stuff, that might not be a bad idea,
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  Speaker 1: even though you're gonna go in there, as long as
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  Speaker 1: you stay with your car running. Just move the camera
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  Speaker 1: from wherever it's at to mock scrape or scrape on
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  Speaker 1: the edge of the field, and if you drive, uh
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  Speaker 1: you know, put some nosejamber where we put the camera.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that might be worth the tiny bit of
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  Speaker 1: negative risk you're taking there, might be worth the increased
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  Speaker 1: intel you can get, especially if you're trying to kill
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  Speaker 1: one early, because that you're gonna need some data to
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  Speaker 1: figure that out. Yeah, that's a fact. Man. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: We'll see, Uh, we'll just see what happens. It's all
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  Speaker 1: it's all based off time. And if I if I
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  Speaker 1: can make it, I can make it. If I can't,
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  Speaker 1: I can't. Yeah, I hear you're there. I um man,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what about my early season chances over
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  Speaker 1: here in Michigan, my oh, my main holy field arm
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  Speaker 1: over there. I've got one wireless camera that's working, and
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  Speaker 1: I haven't got crap on that. Um, just does and
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  Speaker 1: like a spike, even though the food plot it's on
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  Speaker 1: looks beautiful. I got a scrape tree in there. All
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  Speaker 1: the doughs are hitting it, but but nothing with any age,
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  Speaker 1: no sign of hoole the field yet. I've scouted a
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  Speaker 1: handful of knights watching over this area from the road.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing not a single buck other than a year and
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  Speaker 1: a half olds. Um, So that's discouraging. But the new
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  Speaker 1: property that I'm hunting, I saw that pick I might
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  Speaker 1: hunt Michigan this year. That's a pretty good looking buck,
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  Speaker 1: isn't it? Because that one brow time just makes me
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  Speaker 1: happy for some reason. I don't know why. I think
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  Speaker 1: that is legitimately a twelve inch brow time. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I love big brows. Yes, I agree. I've yet take Well,
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  Speaker 1: I've killed one deer with a really big brow tin
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  Speaker 1: that that buck six shooter that killed a handful of
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  Speaker 1: years ago. He had a pretty cool prout time. Um,
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  Speaker 1: but I've never really got one of those deer they
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  Speaker 1: have those two just huge eye guards. That would be
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  Speaker 1: that would be awesome. So this deer has got one
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  Speaker 1: insanely long one and he has been coming in and out.
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  Speaker 1: This camera is set up just inside from a little
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  Speaker 1: kind of food source. It's some I think it's wheat
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  Speaker 1: or oats or something in it. And um, there's super
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  Speaker 1: thick betting right off of the edge of this food source,
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  Speaker 1: and there's a little two track that cuts off of
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  Speaker 1: the field heading into that thick stuff. And so I
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  Speaker 1: put a camera on a mock scrape just along that
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  Speaker 1: two track, just inside off of the field. And um,
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  Speaker 1: so I drove in there and pulled that card. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. This was a week ago or something, and
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  Speaker 1: this big boys on their pretty consistent leaving in the evening,
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  Speaker 1: come back in the morning, in and out same way. Um,
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  Speaker 1: still under the cover of darkness. But on the twelve
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  Speaker 1: or or something like that, he was pretty close to daylight.
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  Speaker 1: It was like the kind of within an hour. So
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  Speaker 1: I'm I'm glad to see there's a consistent mature buck
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  Speaker 1: like that coming in and out of there. And that's
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  Speaker 1: gotta excited. So yeah, it's always good when one of
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  Speaker 1: those shows up. Yeah, it's right now, the only mature
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  Speaker 1: buck I've seen on camera, So hoping, hoping for more
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  Speaker 1: good stuff. To come soon. And you know how it
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  Speaker 1: is once October rolls in, at least at least for
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  Speaker 1: me and a lot of spots I hunt, it seems
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  Speaker 1: like I never had one of those farms is just
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  Speaker 1: loaded with summer bucks. It's like that back the Ohio
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  Speaker 1: spot we hunted that used to be loaded with summer bucks.
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  Speaker 1: But none of my Michigan areas, so fingers crossed they
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  Speaker 1: show up and when season kicks off will be something
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  Speaker 1: to something to go after. But we got less than
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  Speaker 1: two weeks, right, I know, man, Uh, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: whether I should I don't know whether I should be
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  Speaker 1: more excited or less excited, because I'm in this state
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  Speaker 1: of limbo now where I feel like if I go,
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  Speaker 1: if I get excited now, I'm just gonna have my
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  Speaker 1: spirits crushed with Hey, okay, so we have plans for this, this, this,
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  Speaker 1: and this for this October and then, uh, you got
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  Speaker 1: three kids and I'm not going to watch them all
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  Speaker 1: the time. You went on a one week elk hunt.
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  Speaker 1: So there's that, and so I don't know, I just
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  Speaker 1: every year. I don't know how this is for for
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  Speaker 1: the guys out there who their wives kind of give
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  Speaker 1: them grief a little bit. But every year I have
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  Speaker 1: to have a conversation, and every year it's the same
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  Speaker 1: conversation as the conversation from the previous year. And then
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  Speaker 1: someone someone ends up not getting to do what they
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  Speaker 1: want to do, and someone like holds it against the
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  Speaker 1: other person. Doesn't she just to do what she wants
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  Speaker 1: to do the rest of the year, though, Don't you
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  Speaker 1: pretty much given the whole rest of the year because
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  Speaker 1: you're trying to save up your brownie points right now? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: I do. But her things are like maybe one day
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  Speaker 1: at a time. So like for me, that Elk hunt
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  Speaker 1: was eight days, right, that's eight days of having to
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  Speaker 1: watch my three kids. Like Mark, I have full confidence
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  Speaker 1: that you can go out into the into the harshest
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  Speaker 1: mountains and survive for eight days. But I'm not so
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  Speaker 1: sure I would put money on you if if you
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  Speaker 1: had to watch my three kids for eight days. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they look they look rough. Um, maybe we need to
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  Speaker 1: do I think I can't remember this last year or
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  Speaker 1: two years ago that I paid for babysitting for you,
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  Speaker 1: maybe like one one or two days. Yeah, I got
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  Speaker 1: you a couple of days of babies. I think maybe
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  Speaker 1: we need to create a Kickstarter for all the audience
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  Speaker 1: to wear an audience to chip in, chip in to
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  Speaker 1: get you some babiesitting time. Oh man, that'd be awesome. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I be honest to god, I bet you we'd get
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  Speaker 1: a lot of money. I know. I know people want
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  Speaker 1: to see you hunt, Dan. They just want you to
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  Speaker 1: live out your dreams. I know, and I would. I would.
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  Speaker 1: I'd probably just take that money. Take your wife out
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  Speaker 1: to dinner, check her out to dinner at those Brownie points.
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  Speaker 1: But that's that's the goal in the next two weeks
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  Speaker 1: is just make her as happy as humanly possible. Well,
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  Speaker 1: you you work hard at that because we need some
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  Speaker 1: good stories from you this this October. So should we
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  Speaker 1: should we get Zake on though, because Zack's already been hunting,
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  Speaker 1: He's got some good stories to tell. And uh, I
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  Speaker 1: think we'll have an interesting conversation. Sounds good, all right,
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  Speaker 1: let's do it. Alright, Let's take a quick second here
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  Speaker 1: It's gonna allow you to see property line information overlaid,
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  Speaker 1: so you can see where the private property borders are,
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  Speaker 1: you can see where the public land is. You can
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  Speaker 1: see where trails are, campgrounds are, you can oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 1: for an elk hunt tomorrow and I will have my
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  Speaker 1: are back now with Zach fahren Ball. Welcome to show. Zack,
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  Speaker 1: thanks for having me. I'm excited to chat because you know,
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  Speaker 1: we had Aaron on show last summer and enjoyed that conversation.
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  Speaker 1: But you are kind of like the wild card of
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  Speaker 1: the hunting public. I feel like and and my buddy
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  Speaker 1: Dan over here, he's like the wild card of the
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  Speaker 1: Wired Hub podcast. So I needed to make sure to
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: connect to you guys, and this should be an interesting
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  Speaker 1: conversation because of that, I think. So I'm looking forward
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  Speaker 1: to it. Um, yeah, I like that. I like I
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  Speaker 1: like the wild card name or you know, gonna be
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  Speaker 1: in that guy. I like that no expectations that way,
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: but that no expectations that way exactly that, That's exactly
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  Speaker 1: the way I like it, No expectations. What I what
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  Speaker 1: I think we gotta do to get like the perfect
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  Speaker 1: hunter look would be to take Zack's hair and Dan's
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  Speaker 1: rut hunting beard. And if we combine those two things together,
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  Speaker 1: we have the most amazing bow hunting hair of anyone
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  Speaker 1: out there, I agree. I agree. I can't grow facial
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  Speaker 1: hair with a damn like. I just can't grow it.
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  Speaker 1: I tried my whole life. I can't do it. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: if I could get a beard on it, I would
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  Speaker 1: do it, but I just can't can't make it happen. Well, hey,
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  Speaker 1: I feel your payment. I'm right there with you, So
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  Speaker 1: I can't can't have it all, that's right. Um So,
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  Speaker 1: so for those who are not familiar, you know we
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  Speaker 1: are on the show last year, you guys hadn't started
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  Speaker 1: the hunting public yet. Um so, can you give folks
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  Speaker 1: a kind of quick overview of how that came to be?
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  Speaker 1: And uh, and then we'll kind of go from there. Yeah. Um, Aaron,
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  Speaker 1: Greg and I were all working at Midwest White Tail.
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  Speaker 1: Those guys have been there for I think both of
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  Speaker 1: them started in two thousand or two thousand ten. Greg
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  Speaker 1: started and then two thousand eleven Aaron started, and then
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  Speaker 1: I started there in two thousand and fifteen, and we
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  Speaker 1: worked there. We had a lot of buddies that worked
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  Speaker 1: there at different times too, And I guess it was just,
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  Speaker 1: you know, kind of got to the point where we
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: wanted to really start branching out and and you know
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  Speaker 1: kind of take a risk and go out on our
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  Speaker 1: own and really own what we were doing. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: we um just kind of went for it, I guess,
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  Speaker 1: and didn't didn't really know if it was going to
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  Speaker 1: be anything that was you know, going to be sustainable
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  Speaker 1: or you know, if it was we're going to be
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: able to continue to keep doing you know, just just
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: hunting industry type stuff. So I guess we started a
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: Originally we just started simply like a production business, and
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: our main goal was to, um, you know, just do
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: all kinds of different projects, anything from you know, senior photos,
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: weddings too, you know, maybe some hunting videos. And the
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: first fall or first couple of months there in the fall,
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: we just kind of used up all the money that
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: you know, or what very very little money we had,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: and we just kind of used it all up and
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: bought equipment and started hunting and just started making hunting
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: videos because that's what you know, we really wanted what
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: we were going to do until we ran out of
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: money and end up, you know, I guess, getting some
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: traction there enough to at least keep it going through
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: the fall, and then h our friends that legendary White
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: Tails really helped us kind of keep it keep it
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: afloat there at the beginning, and um, you know, we
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: really really very very thankful for that. You know, they
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: helped us out a ton and I guess they were
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: kind of the first people to jump on board and
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: really support us, and we were able to keep things
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: going throughout the spring. And and now you know, we
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: don't have to do or we're you know, we're able
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: to focus more on kind of the hunting side of
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: the production business and we do a lot of um,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: you know stuff within the hunting industry. We do small
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: projects for people, um, different hunting brands and stuff like that,
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: and then that's how, you know, one of the ways
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: that we're staying aflow. But yeah, I just I guess
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: gained just enough traction that we were able to kind
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: of go full time into focusing on hunting videos. And
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: you know, our main mission with starting all this was
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: we just really wanted to have videos that we're relatable,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: and our main I guess mission is to help get
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: more people are interested in hunting, get them you know
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: or viet help people feel confident and um hunting public land,
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: you know, showing people that Hey, there is options out
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: there if you don't have a leads or if you
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: don't have a farm, or you know, you can't afford
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: those things, or you know, if you don't have permission
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: or know somebody, whatever the case may be. We're just
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: we really really really want more people to get into
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: the sport get excited about doing it. Um. You know,
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: we just don't want the hunting, the population of hunters
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: to keep decreasing. You know, it's to us. We feel
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: it's an issue and we want to get people excited
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: about it, get people back out in the woods, and
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: you know, have some fun along the way. Yeah. Yeah,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: you guys are doing it, and I gotta I gotta
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: give you mad props for you know, taking that leap.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: I know what that's like. I know that's scary, and
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: trying to make it work on your own, that's that's
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: no easy tasks. So um, well done on making it
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: the first through the first year, and it seems like
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: you guys got lots of momentum, so I'm sure it's
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: going to continue. But I'm excited for you guys. Yeah. Thanks,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: it was Yeah, like you said, it was a pretty
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: it was pretty scary. You know what that Well, I
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: guess when we first decided we were going to do it,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: is like, well, like you know, here we go, may
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: just may just end up like doing something completely different,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: and you know, a couple of months, but you know,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: at least we've we've got some goals and we just
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: went forward and glad we did. Yeah, yeah, that's cool.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: I'm glad it worked out. And you speaking of those
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: early months, that brings me to the next thing I
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: really want to talk about, which was Nebraska, because you
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: guys took off last year right when you started this
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: whole thing, and you headed out to Nebraska for this
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: public land hunt, and that was really the first set
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: of videos I think that you guys started putting out there. Um,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: you went back to the same place again this year.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Both of those hunts looked like they went really well.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: I yeah, I would love to hear more about how
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: that went this year and then maybe probably last year
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: till I'm interested in both of them. And Dan, you'll
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: be You'll be interested to know this is kind of
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: out in that neck of the woods that you really
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: love in Nebraska. So I think if you haven't seen
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: these videos they're putting out, you should check it out
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: because it's right up your alley with those big, rolling,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: grassy hills and it looks like big country, isn't Zack.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the Nebraska sam Hills are pretty pretty vast.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot of lamb and in fortunately
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of publicly I'm giving you know, people
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: that anything from fisherman to bird hunters and deer or
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: you know, meal deer hunters, white tail hunters. There's all
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: kinds of wildlife out there. It's a pretty incredible area.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: It sure looks like it. So, so I walk us
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: through how how you ended up putting together some success.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: I guess let's let's talk last year first, because I'm
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: kind of interested in this progression now that you've had
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: last year, what you learned from it, how that led
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: to this year. Um, I've watched those videos and got
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: to see how you put together, but I'd be curious
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: to hear what your thought process was throughout those those days. Yeah. Well, so,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: I guess the first trip is actually pretty funny. It
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: was the first videos that we produced. But we definitely
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: like at this point in us like we were basically
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: just jobless, Like we didn't we we didn't really have
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: any expectation totally yet of what we were doing. We
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: just like new we wanted to try to you know,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: make make a living filming and editing, you know, using
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: our our talents and filming and editing. So again, we
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: didn't really like we wanted to make hunting videos, but
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: we didn't really know. So yeah, we just took Eron's
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: camera that he'd bought years ago. We just went for it,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Jake Brody and I and we I guess essentially just
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: started looking at maps a few days before we went, uh,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: picked out a campsite and just drove out there. We
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: drove out there, Oh, I want to save us around
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: the thirteenth or fourteen, um, I think it was. Yeah,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: one of those two days we drove out there just
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: to night, got there very early in the morning, slept
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: for about an hour, and then I woke up and
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: saw the sand Hills for the first time and was
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: just totally blown away. And you know, I guess by
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: looking at maps beforehand and Jake Jacobs that had actually
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: hunted there um in the late season before, so he
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: had an idea of you know, what the area looked like.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: We had it out several places on a map, and
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: you know, places that we wanted to check out. We
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: got there and just started observing these areas that you know,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: we had suspected to be the best whitetail habitat, and
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: pretty quickly we eliminated a lot of stuff just by
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: you know, simply not observing deer coming out of the
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: areas we thought they were going to be in. And
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: we also just kind of got a little frustrated with
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: that observing. And what we started doing was we'd see
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: an area that you know, seemed like betting habitat and
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: like we'd seen deer and very similar stuff, and we
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: would just go in and we would still hunt it
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: and in the morning specifically, and we would be still
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: hunting and working back with those deer as they were
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: coming back into the betting areas, and we ran into
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: some deer doing that, and we also got our best
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: information by doing that. We would just go right through
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: these betting areas and we were looking for buck sign.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: You know, that time of the year, the deer just
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: sid if you find a fresh rub right now, like
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: you better be thinking about that. I guess, in my
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: opinion at least, like that's the best sign to find
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: buff and and I don't run. I guess I shouldn't
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: say I don't run. My my my friends do, and
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: I use their information, but I don't run trail cameras.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: I just like to run off signed And that's something
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: I'll probably talk about a lot um. It's just looking
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: at sign, looking at fresh sign, looking at big tracks, rubs, beds,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: you know, all the scrapes, all kinds of deer tigme,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: just really looking at that and trying to decipher that
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: and then trying to make a plan to set up
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: on it. And that's what we're doing. We'd go in
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: and more than anything, just looking for rubs and big
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: beds and did that and we had a lot of
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: you know, or or we'd find an area that we
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: had a lot of confidence in and we'd go back
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: in there and we'd hunt it. And our whole strategy
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: would be basically get in and get set up right
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: on top of beds and hope that they came right
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: back into them. And we had some encounters, but then finally, well,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: I guess, let me take one one quick step back.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: The other thing that we would do is we would
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: literally go through and do like beer drives, or we
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: call them wind bumps where we'd pick a betting area
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: and what I would and Brodie and I both had tags.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: And he because he hunted because he was he was
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: an Iowa resident, but his brothers and lived lived in Nebraska,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: so he'd go back and hunting in Nebraska. So we
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: both had tags. But when we would go into these
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: wind bumps, I would bump out these areas and I
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: would just go through them, letting my wind drift through
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: the bedding area. The deer would bump out in front
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: of me, and I would just basically be scouting my
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: way through these these spots and pretty pretty far into
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: the trip um before you can you can you elaborate
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: on the wind bumping. So why you're doing it that
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: way and what you're what you're trying to achieve with that. Well,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: there's two two main things that we were trying to
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: learn and achieve. I mean, for one, straight up trying
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: to get a deer, like we've had to work in
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: the past um where you know, a deer comes out
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: of the betting area and offers, you know, the guy
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: set up a shot. A lot of times the guys
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: just sitting on the back side of a betting area
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: on a funnel and hoping that the deer escape calmly,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: you know, by letting her scent drift in there. Generally
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: the deer escape quite a bit calmer than if you
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: walk through, you know, making a bunch of noise like
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: a traditional deer drive. You know, I'm basically still hunting
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: to these betting areas, just letting my scent go kind
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: of opposite of what you would normally have generally still hunting.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: You know, you're gonna have a wind in your face
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: there across wind and in this situation, I'm just going
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: through the stetting area more or less scouting with the
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: wind in my back. So that's you know, goal number
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: one is simply shoot a deer and having a strategy,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: you know, just diffing off the wall strategy. It's totally
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: different than most most people are going to do a
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: bow hunting approach, I guess. But the other thing was
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: is just trying to find that sign. You know. It's
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: like unless we were going into these betting areas, we
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: didn't know. I mean, they're so thick, they're so dense
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: that like these bucks, if they don't leave and go
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: out into the open You never know they're there unless
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: you get in there and you either bump them or
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: just gout around enough to where you're finding the sign
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: coming out of these betting areas. I mean you had
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: to get close because they're not they're not moving a
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: lot that time of the year. They're very very small areas.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: So we went into this wind bump one day and
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: like I said, it was pretty far along in the
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: in the trip, and I bumped the buck and I
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: watched him run. Now, the betting area is the wrong way.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: He wasn't going towards Jakie Brody, and I watched him
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: go up over the hill and I was like, oh,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: like that's a that's an ice one we've been seeing.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: There's not a not a super old age class out there.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: So to see its real nice eight point and run
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: up over the hill, I was like, like, we really
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: need to think about this and see if we can,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: you know, figure out how to hunt it. So I
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: continue to just scalp that whole thing. And it wasn't
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: a super big piece maybe ten fifteen acres um, but
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: just a super dense piece of habitat. There was all
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: different types of vegetation in there, and there was tons
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: of you know, basically just a betting area and a
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: food source all in one. And there was tons and
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: tons of beds and tons and tons of rubs in there.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: I found some scrapes as well, and I was like,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: you know, this is something again that we really need
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: to think about and hopefully he'll come back. But you know,
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: it's like it's it's such a good betting area and
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: here's so many deer using it. We did. I did
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: jump other Um, I did not jump other deer out
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: of there. Some does. But it's like, even if he
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: doesn't come back and I just come, surely another buck
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: will be back in here in the next few days,
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: at least before we leave. So I did scouted the
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: whole thing, almost every inch of it in that in
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: that day that I went bumped. After I bumped that buck,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: tried to figure it out, left my scent all over
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: the place in there. I mean, we was laying in
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: the beds and seeing what they could see. Was scouting
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: it right, you know, right in the middle of the trip.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: So we waited a couple of days, and we went
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: in there counting it one day, um and then wait,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: like I said, waited a couple of days hunted it
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: saw I saw most of the year that we I
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: jumped out of there come back except for that buck.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: And then we hunted it again the next morning, which
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: I think would have been like three days out from
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: when I went through it and went bumping and scouting,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: and right at first light, heard a deer come in,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: walked right around us, and it was only about thirty
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: yards away, but we couldn't see it's so thick in there.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Heard it bed down, and about eight o'clock eight thirty
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: maybe the wind started picking up. When that wind picked up,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: he got up and he shifted his bed. Then he
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: walked to like ten yards in front of the stands.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: There was the same buck that I jumped out of
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: there just a few days earlier. He walked the ten
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: yards and his browsing had no idea we were in
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: the world, and it had a perfect shot at him.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: And you know what, that was kind of an eye
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: opener for me. And I talked to a lot of
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: people about it since, and you found that a lot
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: of people also use somewhat of a similar strategy. It
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: may not be directly trying to bump the deer, but
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: at the same time. You know, there are other guys
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: that are doing stuff like that. And I really got
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: me thinking a lot um just about you know, how
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: how you come across the best stuff, and and you
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: know what I kind of came down to was, you know,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: you're looking for that fresh sign, that sign that is
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: being laid down right now, you know. And I think
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: sometimes guys will get and myself included for sure. I mean,
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: I'm my goal is to not do this as much
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: as possible. Fears like I get, I get super fired
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: up about a spot. But I found in like February, right,
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: I'm out looking for sheds and trying to find, you know,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: find the best dear sign. Well, what you're finding then
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: is you're finding a whole year's worth a sign. And
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: it's sometimes hard to decipher. Okay, is that made in October?
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: Is that made in September? Is that made in December?
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: I mean not. I mean it's hard to tell. And
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: I think that I went in and wasted a lot
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: of fits because I was hunting signed and I saw
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: in February that wasn't actually laid down in the time
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: that I thought that. It was, like, you know, I'm like, oh,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be awesome on November four. Well, you get
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: in there and the signs dry, I mean the deer
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: we're in there in October, you're month late or two
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: months late, you know, maybe the September when they first shed.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: You know what I think, kind of doing that style
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: of hunting and being mobile and doing kind of off
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: the wall type stuff allows you to find that hot
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: sign and in reality, you know, when you find those
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: best areas where the highest concentrations deer are like, but
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: they are not just gonna leave. I mean I think that,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: you know, and I've had the argument to of like
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Holling more pressured states, you know than than Iowa for example,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: those gear aren't going to come back. Well I don't
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: agree with that because if if you find a place
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: where they all want to be, I mean I hunted,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: I grew up hunting Western Ohio. Like there's more pressure
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: there than you know than anywhere else. I've been to
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: this point for white tails, and there's small woodlots where
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: people would go in and hunt. No, yeah, they'll bump
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: them out of betting areas and then maybe gone for
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: a couple of days. But if you find that best spot,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: like there's nowhere. If there's nowhere better like that, they're
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: gonna come back to it because it has all the
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: factors that they need. You know, they may leave for
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: a few days or something, or maybe even a week,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: but at some point, you know, if all the deer
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: feel comfortable there, if it's a pretty well set up
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: bedding area with all the factors that they need, and
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: go to scape routes, then they're going to come back. Now.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: Sometimes you know, it just takes a little bit of
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: weird tactics to find that. Now, would you agree with
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: this though that going about it in that kind of way,
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: It's it's high risk, high reward, right, So you definitely
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: could have that. Like you said, you might bump them
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: out of there for a few days, or you might
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: get a buck that maybe he's gonna stick around there,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: but he's just not gonna move during daylight. He might
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: be back to that bed well before daylight in the morning, etcetera, etcetera.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: So I think there's a lot of people that are
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: probably listening to this and they're like, oh, that's crazy.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: I'm never gonna do that, because you know, you're supposed
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: to have the sanctuary and you leave these deer untouched.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. Um would you would you say that
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: if you're hunting, if you've got like one little spot
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: that you can hunt, You've got your twenty acre property
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: at home, and that's the one spot you hunt, maybe
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: you don't want to go in there and do this
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: kind of thing all the time because you're gonna blow
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: it out. But if you're in a situation you're at
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: where you're in public line, you're just there seven days,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: so it's you've got nothing to lose because you need
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: to get it done now. Or I feel like what
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: you've got going on in Iowa is you guys are
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: really aggressive, but you have lots and lots and lots
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: of different spots. Same thing like Dan Infall. He's super aggressive.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: But if you blow out Spot A, that's fine because
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: I'm going to Spot B and then spots C and
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: D E F G. I mean, is that the right
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: way to think about this? No, it is. I guess
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: I maybe should have said that beforehand. Um, And and
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: I guess I've uh, I've always been this way, even
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: you know, as soon as I got my driver's license,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: I was going to go to a place that I
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: was going to get away from Western Ohio like to
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: where I had had that option, Um, it has. I
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: guess if you're gonna hunt aggressively, I think that you
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: have to put yourself in a situation where, now, whether
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: it's funny public or private. You know, maybe you've got
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: multiple different pieces of private land and some public mixed
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: in or all public, or just a ton of pieces
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: of private land. You have to have multiple different areas
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: that you can go to. You have to be able
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: to balance, and that's that's the key. Um. You know,
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: we we do these aggressive tactics, and but like you said,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: we've got so many places that will never touch in
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: a season that we've scouted in the past, and we've got,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: you know, ideas of how we would hunt it, but
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: there's just not simply not enough time for it. And
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: I think that if you're going to hunt aggressively like this,
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: then you should have lots of different options. And I
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: think that there's ways to hunt aggressively like this with
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: not as many options as you know maybe we have
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: or or even your your buddy has. But you know,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: I think that at some point throughout the season, you know,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: it is always worth getting aggressive. Um. I just if
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: there's one pet peeve I have. It's just people being like,
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: I gotta wait, I gotta you know, the wind is
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: just not perfect. Well, sometimes you gotta get in there
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: when it's when it's the time is right and it
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: I guess it's just I think that people. Uh and
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: and again like myself included, Like I think all this
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: because of like all the times that I just thought
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: I was being careful, but in reality I was just
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: like just getting in such a rust that the deer
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: were patterning me. I wasn't changing it up enough. YEA
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: so quick question here. You know, on top of being aggressive,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: there's like whether you're aggressive or you're conservative in your
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: approach to actually going after a deer, there's still some
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: preparation that has to happen on the front end of
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: of that, you know. And what that sounds like you're
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: doing is this scouting at a very high and fast
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: level to locate them all break break that, break that
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: down for us and kind of tell us what what
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: that scouting, that speed scouting is like for you guys. Yeah, So, um,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: I guess I guess when we go into an area,
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: we really try to focus on set. Like again, setting
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: up on that that hot sign or finding that hot time.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: And I always my best way to explain like what
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: exactly we're looking for is the highest concentration of the
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: best sign in that area. So you've got an idea
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: of what your dear density is like in the um
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: properties that you hunt. And you know what when you
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: you know, you know what it looks like when there's
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: a bunch of bucks in an area. You know, you
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: kind of have that idea of how many rubs you know,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: per acre, there are, how many scrapes per acre there
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: are Like when you when you when when you looking
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: for that hot sign, when it really jumps out at
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: you of like holy cow, Like there's scrapes, there's rubs,
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: there's tracks, there's bucks, there's those there's all the deer
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: kind of you know, getting they're all just kind of
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: in this small area. He kind of you know what,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: you know, the difference of that versus you know a
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: little bit aside. Does that make sense? Like like all
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: of a sudden for that area for that deer density,
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: like there's max sign and when you find that, it's
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: just like whoa, you know, it almost smells like bucketing there,
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Like there's the scrapes, there's rubs beds, and that's that's
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: what you know we're really looking for is that highest
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: concentration of deer sign. And you know how long how
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: long are you in that area until you end up
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: bailing and going to the next spot. Um it really depends. UM.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: I would say, if it looks really good, you know,
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: we'll get in there and we kind of ease our way.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: Like for example, a lot of times they have a
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: betting area that we've previously scalted in mind, so you know,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: we know there's a good you know, betting area deep
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: in this piece of public or maybe there's two or
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: three along the way, and as we're scouting through there,
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: we're just kind of hitting the the down wind side
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: of that betting area, just kind of skirting mouth skirts
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: that it's looking for good sign coming out of it.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: If we hit it at the first one, then you know,
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: we'll set up there for the day. And then if
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: but if we don't hit it on the first one,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: we'll go to the next one. And you know, it
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: just gives kind of a Sometimes it's a day to
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: day thing. Sometimes it's a in one hunt you may
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: cover two or three betting area that's just trying to
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: find the right one that's got that fine. Um. Sometimes
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: we'll sit on the same betting area you know, for
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: multiple days. It's something, um, we haven't done a ton
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: of in the past. You know, some of the bucks
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: that we've shot in the past few years have been, um,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: you know, kind of hunting a betting area repetitively until
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: you know the gives you the right opportunity. But a
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: lot of it are a lot of the bucks we've
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: shot the past few years have been the first time fits.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: But something that I'm a little bit more interested in.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: It's just like seeing how much we can get away with,
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: like how much it actually takes to drive the deer
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: out of an area. This year, I'd like to try
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: to focus on one or a couple of betting areas
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: or a general spot you know, for three or four
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: or five days at a time and just see, you know,
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: just kind of push it a little bit and see
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: what happens. Just try to learn something from that. But
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: I guess again, this day to day spots spot. Now, Now,
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: when you're you're doing this in season scouting, you're walking along,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: you find one of these betting areas where you're seeing
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: that hot sight, you're seeing a lot that the concentration
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: is right, it's uh, yeah, this is going to be
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: a spot we need to hit. Now, walk me through
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: the thought process from that moment on, like what are
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: you looking for to help determinal where do we need
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: to set up? How do we think they're going to
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: come out of here? Um, what's what's that next step from? Okay, yeah,
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: this is a great area to finding that perfect spot
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: within the spot that you're gonna actually sit in. How
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: you approach that? Yeah? So UM. I can actually use
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: an example from Nebraska from this season, which is actually
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: ends up being where I UM ended up getting the
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: buck um this year. The first day we went in there,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: there was a piece that was there's a road that
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: went through the middle of it that was just public access,
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: like you could park it multiple different pull offs down
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: this road. It was just the sand road that went
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: through the piece. And we ended up driving down that
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: road and just trying to get a feel for the habitat,
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: and we jumped a couple of bucks and one of
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: them was the one I ended up killing. But we're
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: like that's a big one, Like that's the biggest one.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: We've seen the whole trip, and we kind of freaked
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: out ended up going act turning around, going back to
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: the first pull off, and then going back right back
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: after him. Like they had just jumped out of that
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: betting area. But we suspected they weren't going to go
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: far and they would probably come right back, you know,
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: just just running away from from the vehicle. We didn't
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: figure that they would leave the county, you know. So
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: how we approached that is like there's a little bit
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: different situation, Like we didn't find the sign, but but
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: we knew they were in there. So how we went
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: about approaching it is like we just kind of got
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: to a high point so where we could see that
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: betting area and we could see kind of how the
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: land laid, and from that Logan and I have a
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: guy that I was with, we just were glassing that
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: whole area and we're looking for just little terrain features
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: that in ways that you know, just a little mini funnels,
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: you know, just where we would expect trails to kind
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: of go through this piece of land to this little
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: creek bottom. And we just kind of kept getting the
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: different high points and looking at it from different angles,
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: and then we eventually were like, okay, this is the
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: best funnel from right on this point of the creek.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: End up getting down there, and one of the two
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: bucks that we jumped was ended up coming right down
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: one of those trails and he caught our wind before
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: we got a good shot at him. But you know,
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: essentially the plan worked. He was coming right now in
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: the place, right down the pipe, right where we expected
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: him to. Um, just gonna win win. Kind of messed
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: us up, but well, totally messed us up, but you know,
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: that was That's one example was just kind of getting
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: a field by looking at it. Okay, you know how's
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: that terrain lay? And just from past experiences, you know,
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: you get pretty good idea of how they are going
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: to work through a creek bottom. But I guess in
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: a different situation, if I was walking through an area
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: scouting it, um, like like the one I shot in
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: Nebraska last year, It's like, I'm in that area and
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: seeing all that sign I'm looking at how the trails
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: are oriented in there, looking at how the beds are oriented,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: thinking about which wind does deer betting there on? And
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: you know, in that situation with the one I shot
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: last year in Nebraska. A lot of those beds were
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: set up for south wind. They were kind of cover
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: it back facing to the north. So with that south wind,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: they've got covered behind them, wind coming you know, at
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: their back, and they're looking out into an open area.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: So with that kind of info, um, that's how we
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: decided to hunt it. And and that's the wind that
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: he was in there on and we ended up getting him.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: You know, it's just a lot of different factors. I
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: I'm really sometimes I'm bad at I guess putting, like
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: thinking of all of the situations because it's always so different.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: You know, sometimes you're just walking to an area and
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: you're like, all right, you know up on this ridge
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: in you know, in Big timber Um. You know, maybe
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: a side hill has you know where there's a bench
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: and maybe there's an old clear cut down there. Well
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: there's a hard transition line there, and right off the
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: hard transition transition line there's just tons of you know,
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: heavily used scrapes. It's like, well, you know, those bucks
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: are working that transition line. They're scraping down along through there.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: And that's as simple as it is. Like you hit
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: that that scrape line, you're like Okay, if we need
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: to back out of here and you know, come back
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: on the time when we feel like we're gonna hunt
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: the scrapes or maybe hunt it that day. You know,
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: every situation just vary so much, but you know, our
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: main mission is to be right where you know, the
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: most hot sign kind of comes together. Yeah, you just
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: mentioned something I was gonna. I was kind of curious
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: about your opinion on which is the question. Right there
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: you find the sign, do you hunt right away or
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: do you say, well, I gotta give it a few
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: days to rest because I just came in here. Maybe
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: you hung a stand or whatever it might be. I've
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: always kind of been in mind that you should hunt
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: it right then and there because maybe you can get
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: them coming back the one time that they don't know
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: something was there. But what's what's your take on that?
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: Um Ya, again, it varies. I'd kind of the same
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: way that you just said, Like I like to get aggressive,
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: Like I like, I like to try to break all
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: the rules, you know what I mean? Like I like to,
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: um wouldn't bump it and then go set up on
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: a you know that day, you know whatever, like just
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: do something weird and just try something different. But a
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: lot of times I would say if if it depends
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: on how much impact you feel like you've got. You know,
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: if you just kind of get into the edge of
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: it and you're still down down wind of all the
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: bedding or where you think the majority of the dr are,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: and you pick up on a real hot straight right
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: on the edge of the you know, a transition line
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: that you think a buck's gonna show up there and daylight,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: you know, hunt it right then, just hanging a stand
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: up and hunt it or set up on the ground,
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: whatever you want to do. Um, But if you go
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: through a whole bedding area, you're bumping deer, you know,
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: there's a high impact. You're leaving your sin all over
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: in the middle of the betting area. A lot of
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: times in that situation, give it like generally two days.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: So you know, just saying, let's say on November six,
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: we'd go blow up the world in a betting area,
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: but where like that that's the hot stuff, Like that's
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: the best stuff we've seen in the past week. Then
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: maybe on like November nine, we would go back in
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: there on the wind that we felt was right and
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: hope for the best. You know, it just depends on
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: how much that impact, how much you feel that impact,
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: he's going to throw the deer off. Yeah, my foilow
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: you So so continue with that Nebraska situation here this
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: year you found these bucks, you moved in there, you
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: had the one catcher wind, what was your plan from
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: there and out? So there was another little factor in
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: there that I haven't included yet. There was some other
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: guys who have actually just just got ahold of me.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: They just messaged me today and thought that was pretty cool.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: Kind of got to figure out what, you know, what
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: they were doing a little bit more and what we
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: were doing, and just trying to communicate a little bit better.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: But there was these other guys that were hunting in there,
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: and they were going way back deeper into into the
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: piece of public. So they were driving past the betting
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: right past this betting area that we were hunting. And
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: the reason that we found these years because we drove
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: past the betting area and they jumped up. So when
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: we were making that first move that first night, they
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: came down that road and Logan, who was with me,
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: ran up there and asked, you know, if they would um,
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: if they would just like hold off or at least
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: just park at the first pull off and not you know,
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: go past them, because we knew that they were in there,
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: and very very kindly of them, they were like, yeah,
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: go for it, make a move on them, and and uh,
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: you know, we'll just hold off of the evening so
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: that we're super thankful for that, super super are cool
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: with them to do that, and ended up making that move.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: But we knew that those guys were hunting back there,
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: so that they were driving past that that betting area
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: a lot, and you know, at least four times a day,
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: and we waited a couple of days. I guess. We
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: hunted it that next morning and didn't see much. So
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: you know, we we went through that that whole or
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: deal where we all we jumped them, almost got the one,
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: and then the next morning we hunted it, but nothing
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: really came back into that betting area. So we gave
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: it a couple of days, I think two full days,
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: and we went in there on the fifth day of season.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: I guess it had been two and a half days
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: something like that, doesn't really matter about two days. Went
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: back in there on the fifth day of season in
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: the afternoon and pulled in and I was like, oh, man, like,
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: it looks like there's been people back in here and
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: that broke there. Know, there's tracks on the sand and
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: vehicle tracks, and we're like, well, let's try it anyway,
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: you know, we gotta know, I just gotta at least
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: at least market off that you know, they've they've moved
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: on and they've moved to a different betting area. And
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: walked back, got about halfway back there and saw were
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: those tire tracks that actually stopped and turned around. Well,
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: it must have been somebody. It must have been somebody
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: else other than those guys, because I now know that
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: they had left after day three, so they hadn't been
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: back there for a couple of days either. So get
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: back there and all of a sudden it goes from
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: fresh tire tracks on the sand access road to like
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: nothing but deer tracks on top of old tire tracks.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, we might be in business here. And
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: we crept up to the very spot where we turned around,
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: and then those gear jumped up. That first day, I
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: crawled up and I decided I did that. I was
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: gonna just look into that betting area glass down there
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: until I saw a deer moving and if I knew
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: a deer was down in there, at least just even one,
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: even just a flicker of a tail, that was gonna
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: be enough for us to kind of make a play
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: on him get to a setup. I didn't want to.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: I didn't want to go right back into it and
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: like wasting, I guess, waste a whole hunt if I
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: didn't think that they were deer in there. So I
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: decided I would sit there for an hour, glass right
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: into that betting area kind of had a pretty good
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: advantage to where I could see down into it, and
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: that was that was my whole plan, was look at
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: it for an hour. If it's no good, we're just
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: gonna keep moving and trying to figure out where they've
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: moved to. So I'm laying there glassing with my buyeose,
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: just down into this betting area. I'm not very far
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: from it. I'm only, you know, oh, probably sixty yards
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: from the edge of it. But I just, you know,
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: I had the wind right and I was just peeking
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: over from a high point and looking down in there.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: I wasn't seeing anything. It's kind of starting to get
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: a little bit of discourage, and all of a sudden,
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: I looked down and that big one was laying there
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: seventy yards from me, looking the other way, and the
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: whole Yeah, he was there the whole time. He was
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: just betted, and uh. I was like, not no way.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at that right. I'm like, there's no way.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: And his ear flicked and I was like, you gotta
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: be kidding me, Like he's he's seventy yards from me,
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: like has no idea and logan kind of back behind me,
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: hiding a little bit more. I peek back over and
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: I like give him the signal like buck betted. You know.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: He calls up to me and I show him where
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: the buck is and he sees it. He starts filming,
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: and I I knew that there was no way that
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: we were both gonna be able to get down in there,
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: like you know, we were are already closed and now
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: granted we could have I guess, I guess a million
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: things went through my head in like a pretty short
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: period of time because they didn't want to wait around
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: too long, like either got to go for this thing
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: right now in his bed, or we're gonna have to
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: loop around and try to set up on a spot
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: where he's going to uh, you know, maybe walk past,
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: but now you're talking if you go set up now
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: you're talking about he can go just about any direction.
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: You know, he gets up out of that bed. Now,
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: we could have got really really close and put our
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: odds pretty high, but it's like, we know literally right
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: where he's at right now. So I just kind of studied,
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: you know, how the wind was playing through the creek bottom,
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: looked at, you know, as best I could tell the
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: way his body was oriented in that bed, and I
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: started kind of making plans of Okay, how can I
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: approach this to where he's not gonna see me or
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: smell me or hear me coming, And new Logan would
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: be able to film him from up on top there
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: where I had spotted him from. So it was like
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: I was like, all right, do you see that seedar
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: right there? That's where I'm gonna try to get to.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: I had ranged him the buck and he was at
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: seventy and that seater was at fifty five. So I thought,
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: if I can get to that feater, it looks like
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: I'll have an opening and it looks like they'll be
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: broadside to that spot that I'm gonna get to. So
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: so like the next hour and a half, I just crawled,
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: and I mean just painful, probably about two hours actually,
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: and only you know, maybe a grand total of you know,
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: forty some yards. I've been a little bit further than
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: about fifty yards. And I crawled and I crawled and
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: I crawled, and I was like just every time the
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: wind would blow, I'd picked my bow up and I'm
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: just mass draft down in front of me, and I
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: was on um. I would just kind of try to
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: follow any tiny little low spot I could get to.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, just being super meticulous us about every little
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: thing that I did, because it's like I just don't
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: want to spook him, you know, at the very least,
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: I don't want to spook him and blow him out
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: of here, because like we now know that he's been
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: in here twice, and like we got a really good chance.
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: But I also thought I had a really good chance
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: that I could get up to that theater that I
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: actually be able to get shot. So after like two hours,
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: somewhere between an hour and a half two hours, like
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: eventually get to that seedar and I just barely peek
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: up at Logan and he's still film in that spot,
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: and I'm like well, he must still be there. So
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: I peek around the right side of the feeder and
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm gone out see him over there. I'm
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: glassing down there. I thought maybe maybe now and I'm lower,
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: I can't see, you know, quite as well as I
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: could from that vantage. I looked and lost and looked,
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: and finally was like, well, I'm gonna have to try
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: to get to the other side of the trees. Like
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: crawled around on the side of the tree, I mean,
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: just painfully slow. And as soon as I poked my
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: head around, I was like, yelp, right there he is,
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: and I mean, he's close, can I I hit him
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: with the ring and he still looking the other way
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: that and I hit him with the range finder nineteen yards,
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: hit it again, nineteen hit again, nineteen good enough, So
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: I've putting my release on. Well, a bunch of sand
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: stuck in my release. It started panicking because I couldn't
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: get my release open. Like got that figured out. And
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: right as that happened, the other buck that we almost
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: got a few nights prior stands up out of his
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: bed and starts grunting walking towards the big one. And
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: this is all while I can't get my release open,
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: which I did, like I said, get figured out, but
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: finally get my release on this little buck, well, you
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: know Buck, the other buck, I don't want to say
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: little bucks that have shot him a couple of times,
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: shot him any other day. He's walking right at the
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: bigger one, grunting, and he walks right up to him.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: In the whole time, the big Bucks is just like
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: totally disregarding him. He's like totally ignoring him, and I'm
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: just got my my my set on this hole. I
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: know he's gonna be bron side when he stands up.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: I know that his vitals should be exposed in this
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: you know, perfect little hole right there about the size
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: of the basketball, and I'm just focusing on that spot,
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: not moving at Little Buck walks to like ken yards
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: from me and is looking at Logan. Can see Logan
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: on top of the hill. Can't tell what he is,
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: starts kind of seeing me. This all took probably ten
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: fifteen minutes, and he's looking at be looking at Logan,
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: stops a little bit, eventually just gives up on it
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: because he can't figure it out. We're both wearing gilly dudes,
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: and he just kind of walks around, that buck walks
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: right up to him, put his head on right into
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: the bed, and then eventually just walked away. And I
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: was like, I cannot believe he didn't get up, Like
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: I thought for sure that that little buck would at
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: least make him stand up for a second. And I
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: it's like, well, maybe you know it really hated to
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: be you know, got to to dark, and you know
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: this buck never stands up. But anyway, I keep sitting
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: there and I'm just focusing on the spot, and finally,
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: like stupid, it was almost cost me. I looked back
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: at Logan, just to make sure that he wasn't like,
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: you know, having him camera issues or anything, making sure
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: that he wasn't like calling me off or anything. And
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: I look at him. Everything looks good, and as I
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: look back, he's starting to stand up, and I was like,
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: oh no, Like as soon as he moved, I wanted
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: to be drawing, like I almost matched up, and he
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: just stood up and he looked right in my direction.
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: I mean he was facing me where he was broadside,
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: but he was you know, his head was looking at me.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: And I was just like, well now or never, Like
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: if he takes one step he's out of that hole,
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: and I just drew back, putting on him, shot him
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: and yeah, double along to him. And pretty weird, pretty
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: weird story. Like I mean, I won't dive into it
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: too much, and I'm sure there'll be plenty included in
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: the video if anybody's interested. Guess but it hit him
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: in both lungs and he betted three times. We bumped
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: him once. He betted three times and like almost four
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: yards and it hit him square like ten ring right
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: behind the shoulder. Weirdest thing I've ever seen, very very weird.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: We can but we could talk about that for a
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: long time. I guess it was wild. Uh, I'll tell
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: you you're a wild man, dude, going in there like
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: that Gilly Suton and crawling for hundreds of yards into there.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: I gotta wonder you said that. You said that this
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: video of the Final Hunt is forty five minutes long.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: Is it just forty five minutes of you crawling the
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: entire time? I hope it is no, but no, but
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: I'm sure there'll be plenty of that. I'm sure it'll
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: be pretty funny. H It was you know, one of
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: those deals, you know, It was like I know, he's
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: right there, Like I hate I hate leaving dear, like
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: not getting as close to where they are as possible
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: when you know exactly like their exact coordinates, you know. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: I just always think it's silly, like um had a
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: lot of people be like, yeah, it's all a big one.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: Watched him bed down, and you know we're gonna have
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: to go after him a couple in a couple of
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: days when we get the right winds, Like you watched
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: him bed down and you left, you know, or like
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: you watched him go into a bedding year and you
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: left it like that, you know he's there, you know,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: if you know right where he's at, like just hunt
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: that spot. And I guess you know, that's kind of
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: what I was What I was thinking about, is like
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: it's like I know, I know I'm gonna be mad
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: if I don't try it. You know, I gotta at
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: least try it, And you know, it's pretty painful, Like
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: it's like I got all kinds of weird stuff still
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: stuck in my body from that crawl, Like there's captus
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: out there. Samber is like you know, whatever else is
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: laying out there on the sand hills and I still
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: got some weird, weird stuff on me, but it was
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: well worth it. Yeah, but uh Dan, what are you?
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: What are you thinking about all this? I think I
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: need to hunt more out of state and buy a
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: guilly suit. Yeah yeah, yeah, I think I think many
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: a guilly suit is well. Just having having that option
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: has really changed my whole perspective on hunting. Um. You know,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty pretty wired guy. Like I'm drink a lot
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: of coffee, you know, I'm just pretty excited. I feel
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: a lot of jumping around and I'm pretty empty, you know,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: And I'm not a stand guy, you know, like I did.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: It just doesn't work for my personality very well. Like
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: I don't like to sit like the guys that can
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: sit all day during the run, Like I have so
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: much respect for that because like I cannot do it.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: I can't sit for like like that sounds. It's just
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: the thought of it is horrible to me to sit
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: all day in one stand. I don't I mean I've
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: done it a lot, but I don't like it. Yeah
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: that's pretty way, Uh Dan, This might be like a
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: revolutionary idea for you, Dan, because because Dan has got
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: these bad knees because of how old he is, he's
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: not able to do those all day restits either. So
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: maybe this is the key. Maybe you need this gilly
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: suit tactic. Um, my luck, I just fall asleep in
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: the grass. Yeah, I do plenty of that, man, no
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: doubt falling in the grass a lot. So you gotta
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: you gotta tell us more though about what you're how
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: you're pulling off these groundstocks and everything, because I know
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: you did this in Iowa last year too. Um, talk
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: to us a little bit about just the things that
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: you're thinking about to make that work. How you're going
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: about the still hunting deal, um, how the gilly suits
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: helping you? Anything else like that. But first, let's take
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: our last break of the day to thank our friends
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: at white Tail Properties. And white Tail Properties just launched
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: a new video on their YouTube channel in that land
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: Beat YouTube series I've been talking about, and this one's
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: pretty interesting. It's called Broadhead Myths Debunked and it goes
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: through talks to an archery expert who walks us through
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: how he went and tested all the broadheads on the
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: market to see which one flew the best, which were
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: the most consistent, What are the best broadheads to use
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: out there? He shares us as results in this video,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: they are not going to be what you expect. It's
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: kind of surprise result he's got there. It's very interesting.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: Highly recommend checking it out, especially if your season hasn't
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: opened yet. They're still trying to figure out what broadheads
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: are gonna shoot this year. Definitely want to check this
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: one out, so heading over to the white Tail Properties
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: YouTube channel check out the Broadhead Myths Debunked video, and
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: you can also learn more about what white Tail Properties
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: has got going on by going to white Tail properties
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: dot com. Yeah. Well, I've always had like an interest
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: in hunting on the ground because, like I said, I've
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: been you know, I've just been too impatient to sit
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: tree stands setups for you know, a whole season. And
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: you know, I really like I started watching White Tail
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: Adrenaline a few years ago, like, man, like that just
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: looks so fun and like I really really was inspired by,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: you know, just something different. You know. It wasn't you know,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: and they don't talk a lot about exactly like all
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: their theories and that's what like how they're approaching it.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: But like you know, it was like it's working, and
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: that's really all that I needed to know is like
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: somebody's out there trying it, and like I want to
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: try that too, just because you know, I want to
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: do something different. I want to just be limited to
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: tree stands, and I also just like to move around
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: a lot. You know. That was kind of the you know,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: watching those guys was the inspiration to just go for
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, somebody's doing it out there, and I,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: you know, when I first started doing it, I think
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: that you know, my friends kind of thought that it
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: was stupid and a little crazy. But once we once
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: we started doing it and we were wearing those gilli suits,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: like deer cannot figure out what's going on. Like never,
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know that in a setup
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: like where we were actually set up on the ground,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: that deer has ever spotted us, like what they've they've
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: smelled us, but I don't think one's ever actually just
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: picked us off. Now a million times in my life
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: I've had deer picked me off the tree and in high,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: higher pressured areas or higher pressure states like I'm sure
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: Mark you dealon with in Michigan or like where I
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: grew up in western Ohio, like deer looking for hunters
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: and tree stands, and I see that even here in
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: Iowa in public ground, like we get a deer to
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: it down the end of us. The first thing that
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: they do is look in the trees and they have
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: no idea where we are. And like it's been pretty crazy.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: I mean that's two guys on the ground hiding and
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: guilies is they cannot figure it out. And they'll be
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: you know, in easy bow rage and they still can't
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: figure out where we're at. And if you think about
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: how you know, what you know, if you've read anything
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: about how white tails can see or um, you know,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: just there's there's a decent amount of research. I can't
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: see anything but movement very well. And you know what
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: that gillies feel. You're just breaking up that human shape,
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: like you don't have the head and shoulders, and and
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: that I think is ultimately what you know, it's kind
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: of it's really the make or break of it is
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: like if they see your head and shoulders, they're gone.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: But if they can't see that, and the guilli suit
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: just does an incredible job just you know, um breaking
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: that up. I also have like I don't know, probably
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: close to a foot long hair, so like that helps
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: break up. It's like the gilly haircut. You gotta have
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: that too. Hey, good question. How much does one of
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: those Gilly suits cost? Ah? Man, You know, I don't
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: really know ours. The ones that we got a friend
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: that actually gave them to us, and they were like
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: I think if you look for him on line, you
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: can find them. I want to say, yeah, it's bush
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: rag dot com, and that's where you can find the
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: exact ones that we're wearing. I don't know how much
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: they cost because we didn't actually buy them, but I
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: want to say that there relatively inexpensive, like you know
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: what you would be spending on a tree stand or
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: something like that. Those white tail adrenaline guys, don't they
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: just make them themselves? Like those are homemade? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: And I think like like my friend Jake who works
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: with with us, he um, he's built his own in
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: the past, and his grandma also had one together for
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: him one time. And you know, when when I was
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: growing up, me and my dad always used the leafy suits,
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: um like, especially for turkey hunting. You know those you know,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: they're basically just have like maple leaves that kind of
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: hang off of them. I think all that stuff will work.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: Anything really to anything that will match the color of
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: the habitat that you're in, and that's gonna break up
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: that head and shoulders is gonna work. Um, you know something,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: I guess not to get off the Guilly subject, but
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: kind of see it. I want to. I want to
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: do it without a Guilly now, Like I want to
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: just like wear like a solid like color like tan
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: or brown and just do it without the Guilly because
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: I think it's also it's that's still possible too. It's
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: just a lot of it being aware of your surroundings
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: and like again, trying to get the human shape broken up.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: And I think the Gilli suit makes that super easy.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: But I think it would be fun to just you know,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: try it without a couple of times if see, if
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: you know, it can be pulled off. I mean people
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: are doing it for sure. It's just kind of a
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: kind of a fun challenge I think would be to
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: just kind of go with without even wearing camo. Just
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: wear like dan longsleeve shirt or something. I think they
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: can work. And like I was saying, the wild card,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: try in the flannel, dude, I think I agree, Dude.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: I don't think camo is as important as people think
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: it is. Hmm, No, I don't. I don't want at all.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: I think. Um. I mean, there's all kinds of different
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: camo patterns that guys are wearing out there, and they're
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: all you know, everybody's you know, having success with all
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: different types of stuff. The biggest thing is is just
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: blending with your surroundings as best as you can. And
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: I think some times, I mean, like a lot of
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: people's grandpa's hunted and like red flannels. I mean, my
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: grandpa hunted it. His hunting clothes were red. Was like
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: a red flannel and like you know, bid like tam Bibbs.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: You know that's both my Grandpa's hunted in that stuff
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: for years. You know. Now they wear camo, but you know,
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: for years and years, that's that's what people hunted in.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: And like you know that the color red or or
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: you know a hunter orange. You know. So I think
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: sometimes people are like, oh, you can never wear that, well,
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: dare don't see color like we see color. I mean
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: I don't. I'm no expert on that by any means,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: but like obviously they don't, or they'd be running from
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: every guy that was wearing Hunter orange during gun seasons.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: Does not stop. I mean they never stopped run. But
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: it's uh yeah, I mean I don't think it's quite
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: as important as some people make it out to be.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: It's just blending with your surroundings, is so yeah, I think, Dan,
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: what you need to do is just gonna old blue
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: suit all blue. And if you do that, um, I
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: think that's gonna be the ticket to your success. They'll
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: they'll put me up there with the grage then, right, yes,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: they would if you can pull it off, because that's
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: actually that's like the one color that really does pop
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: to white tails, while orange and red blends and gray
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: blue would be the toughest. So if you if if
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: you end up getting to kill a buck wearing like
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: tan solid stuff, Zach, then yeah, then you really do
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: need to try blue. That'll be like the final test
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: if you can really really fool them. I've read I've
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: read that. I've read that that thing about the blue
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: so you never know, wild card out here breaking rules.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: So so you, uh, you're wearing the Gillis suit, you're
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: stalking on in these deer do you are you gonna
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: go and use this kind of tactic on any day,
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: or or is it are you waiting for certain conditions,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: like do you just use this when it's nice and
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: windy or rainy or something like that to break up
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: your sound or what about that? That's actually, yeah, that's
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: a really good question. I would prefer uh, I would
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: prefer probably like rainy, windy days in November, you know,
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: that's when it's the easiest to just like sneak up
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: on a buck just being silly. Um. But at the
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: same time, I always always say, pick the one factor
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: that you can take and use gear advantage. Now, some
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: days I'll use a couple of examples here. Some days,
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: you know, a lot of people would say that you
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: would never want to do it on a still crisp morning.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: I love still crisp mornings because I can just hear
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: so much. But that's the one factor that I'm taking away.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: I can't cover as much ground, you know, or I
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: can't maybe go barrel and into a spot quite like
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: I can on you know, the wet, windy day. But
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: if it's cold and crisp and and not much wind,
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: I think you can just hear you are coming way
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: before they can hear you. If you're going slowing up.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: You just got to change that caden stuff. If you've
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: got a um oh, let's say a day where it's
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: super it's super windy and hot, you know you're gonna
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: just your strategy again, it is gonna change. If it's
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: super windy, you can move super fasty, you can just
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: bounce around of these different areas. Um you know, there's
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: tons and tons of I guess different variations and weather conditions.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: But you know, I like to just pick that one
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: thing that I guess, that one thing that you can
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: as as the hunter, can focus on beating the deer.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: App whether that site or sound, there's generally something you
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: can pull from any weather condition and just use that
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: to your advantage. That makes sense. Now, what about your
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: basic Ah, you mentioned that your cadence, how you're slowing
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: it down certain conditions, speeding up in others. You know,
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: I feel like like you did in Nebraska this year
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: and kind of talked about in the past, you're kind
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: of going into a new area and you're you're half scouting,
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: half hunting, walking on the ground like that. Can you
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: you talked about what you're looking for from the scouting standpoint,
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: but from the hunting standpoint, you know how fast you're
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: typically going? How I mean, are you you stopping every
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: five yards and glassing or you cover more ground or
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: kind of what does the actual process look like for
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: you to make this work. Well, there's there's two different
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: there's two different uh totally different type of cadence. Like, well,
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: I guess there's some times variation. I guess that's stupid
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: to say, but the two major differences, there's like the
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: slow one and then there's the fast one. And like
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: the fast one is like generally just getting to a spot.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: And honestly, the fast one has produced buck sidings just
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: as much as the slow one. And what's going on there?
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of times like just going fast
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: not really caaren like knowing that there's a good stand
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: so we're gonna sump into something. But sometimes I'm kind
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: of purposely doing that, like kind of going a little
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: too fast because if there's one around, I want to know,
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: I want to see him jump up and run or
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: I want to see him stand up and try to
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: figure out what's going on. And my friend Sean and
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: I were not hunt last year where we were doing
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: pretty much exactly that we were. We were playing on
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: going way deeper into this piece of public and you know,
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: we're moving pretty quick down and we're kind of getting
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: just starting to get into you know, where there was
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: the best, you know, best betting habitat, but we were
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: still wanting to go deeper and we were moving pretty
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: quick and a buff heard us. It was one of
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: those windy days. He heard a twig snap and he
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: jumped up and he started looking around. He's like fifty
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: yards away, but he couldn't see us, and like he
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: heard us, but we saw him before he saw it,
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: and he like, you know, he's panicking, he's looking around.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: Ended up watching him go right back into that betting area.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: Turned out he's with the dough and we just kind
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: of hung with him right in that area, and we
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: almost got him a couple of times. He was right
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: at about forty yards. We just needed him to become
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: a little bit closer. But um, you know that I
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: guess that aggressive cadence that's faster walk. And it's almost
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: like you know Dan Insult talks about like bed stacking
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: or or like stacking up a betting area. It's kind
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: of the same thing, right, Like we're just kind of
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: plowing through or we're not necessarily plowing, We're just moving
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: fast enough that like, if there's be around, we wanted
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: them to kind of know, kind of hear us. And
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: then as we start getting towards those areas that we're
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: really thinking about focusing on, we're gonna slow down to
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: the point of, you know, if you can hear yourself
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: and not hear anything else, you're going too fast. And
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: I'm again, I'm impatient. I have a kind of bad
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: habits of getting going a little bit fast. But if
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: I noticed that I'm doing that, just trying to you know,
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: take a deep breath, calm down, and just like remember
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: that I'm not necessarily trying to get anywhere. I don't
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: have a point B that I need to be at.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: I'm hunting right now, and like I have to be
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: more aware of my surroundings and just calm myself down.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: And you know when and Sean Sean, my friend Sean Farrendorf, Um,
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: he works for a white Tail property now, but we're
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: he worked at the Midwest white Tail for a little bit,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: you know him and I kind of he was kind
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: of the first person to be like, yeah, let's try it,
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: you know, let's try, you know, doing more of this
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: still hunting, and it took it took some time for
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: us to really figure out. And he I used to
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: pick on him a lot because he had this tendency
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: of like all of a sudden, he would just be
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: going way too fast, like, dude, you've gotta slow down.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: Like just remember, you're not trying to get to anywhere specific.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: You're just you're now hunting. You're now looking for sign,
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: you're looking for deer. You're trying to figure out you know,
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: you know, you're find heaps, set up or just keep
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: and then I think, um, it can vary so much,
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: but you're back, I guess back to your question, like
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: do you glass? You know, yeah, a lot of times
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: we're just taking a few steps, and a lot of
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: times we're doing that right on a deer trail. You know,
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: we're just using the deer trail to keep inching closer
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: to where we think that they're spending their time during
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: the daylight. And you know, you walk a few steps,
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: class listen, sometimes stand there for a few minutes, Sometimes
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: stand there for fifteen minutes. You know, I think if
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: you bump a deer, stand there for fift twenty minutes
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: let things come back down, and you'll find that a
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: lot of times, you know, those deer actually aren't even
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: going that far, Like they may just run up bound
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: fifty yards away and then go right back to what
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: they were doing because they weren't ever actually sure what
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: was that, you know, really going on? That winds in
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: your face and a deer sees you and you're wearing
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: a gilly suit and it's like, well, what the heck
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: is that? It just kind of runs out site. It's
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: gonna forget about you in twenty minutes, I mean a
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: lot of time. And you know, there was a couple
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: of hunts here in Nebraska that we just had where
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: we we literally in this one hunt that we had
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: popped up into this kind of overlooking this little betting area,
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: and I had seen deer betted in their does bettered
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: in their last year, and they got up to the
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: top of the hill, and right as we trusted the hill,
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: a fawn came running up out of the betting area,
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: just totally random, like you know how funds will just
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: kind of start running around like and just playing around.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that's what that fun was doing, because
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: it came we crested the hill, and it was cresting
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: right at the same time we were, and it blew
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: and took off run and while another dough stood up
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: at the betting area took off running blowing, and then
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: a few minutes later and went by some other deer
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: stand up accidentally spooked them. They took off blowing. So
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: we just sat there for like fifteen twenty minutes, and
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: sure enough, the buck that we had been hunting back
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: in that area stood up right in the middle of
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: where all those dods had just flushed from, and he
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: just stood up, just his antlers sticking out, and he
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: just scanned that hole area for you know, ten fifteen
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: minutes before he even took a step. And I think that,
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: you know, the mistake comes when you bump one deer,
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: then you can just just get piste off and you
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: just keep going. You're like a you know, and I
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: didn't want to you know, I didn't want to spook
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: any deer. I don't want to bump into anything. Well,
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: you know, don't let that get you discouraged. Just know
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: that the kid we're getting close to more deer probably
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: just slow down, take a minute, sit there, maybe have
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: a snack, drink some water, just kind of hang out
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: for a little bit, because sometimes if you get you know,
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: I think if you get piste off and you just
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: keep plowing through it, you're you are going to continue
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: to bump the deer. But if you let things calm down,
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: settle yourself down a little bit, and just get right
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: back into Caden's after things of you know, I guess
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: calm down and a lot of times you're not hurting
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: as much as if you just keep playing through. Yeah.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: I love the idea of this because I think one
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: of the things that I mean, if you if you
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: talk to a lot of guys even just or even
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: analyze our own hunts, like me and Dan year after year,
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: one of the things we always come back to is that,
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe we overhunted the spot, or maybe we
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: didn't move fast enough on this new information. We didn't
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: move the stand that day, We waited two days and
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: it was too late. When you're on the ground, there's
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: nothing holding you back from making the move on the fly,
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: being mobile, um, not over hunting the same thing. Uh,
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: you know that, Like you you mentioned earlier, the power
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: of the first set when you're hunt on the ground,
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: like this, you can do that every single hunt. Um,
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: that's it's very appealing. Um. I hope Dan, I hope
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: you do this. I hope you really do this, Dan,
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: because I think this is I think I'm gonna, you know,
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: dabble with it a little bit more myself. I feel like,
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: any way you can, man, go ahead, go ahead. I
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: was gonna say, anyway you can remove obstacles to do
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: in the right thing. It's a good idea. So whether
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: it means we're moving a tree stand completely so it's
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: easier to make those moves and you need to, or
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: you know something I did this year that started testing
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: a saddle because that would make things easier to make
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: a quick move. Um, for sure, I think all those
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: things can help well. And then the fact that go
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: ahead in Iowa, right, I mean the first fifteen to
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: twenty days of October, there's still crops in the fields.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: So like for me, I can definitely see a scenario
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: like that playing out where I'm just going and hiding
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: in a cornfield or I'm going and hiding in a
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: buffer strip that that could that could open up a
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: whole new can of worms. They're talking about crops being
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: being up versus not up. I mean, if there's ever
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: a time to go in and blow up the world,
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: go blow them up. Bedding in a cornfield. I mean
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: a lot of times, you know, growing up in western Ohio,
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: you know, there's lots of bucks that are spending a
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: lot of time in the corn and like, if there's
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: a better time to go bust them out. I mean,
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: they're not gonna be there when that corn comes down,
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: Like if they're on an island of trees in the
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: middle of the corn field, Like they're gonna bed there
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: pretty consistently until that you know, those you know, factors
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: changed and the corn comes out, and then they're gonna
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: be somewhere completely different. Like you might as well go
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: after him then, because you're definitely not going to get
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: them in the spots, you know. I mean, they're just
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: not spending time in those areas that they will be,
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: you know, a month or two down the road. And
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: I think, and and honestly, the whole reason that I
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: really kind of took this, you know, ground hunting thing
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: and then just kind of ran with it is I
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: want I want to at least could like helps people
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: feel offidite about it. And I'm confident about trying something different.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that it's for everybody. I'm not,
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: but I think that there's a lot of opportunity there
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: that people are missing out on because you know, it's
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: just kind of like that rule book has said for
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: so long, you know, like hunt out of a tree stand,
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: you know, don't don't bump into deer early in the season. Um,
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: you know, don't. I don't know, don't you know, spread
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: your boots down and stuff like, I mean, all that
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: stuff like it's just for me. I yeah, yeah, I would.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: I would stick with that one. I would not wear
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: a blue But you know, I think, but I think
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: that you know, just having that confidence to be able
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: to try something different, it's really you know, I want
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: I want people to feel okay trying something different. I
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: want them to I want people to feel okay when
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: they bump a buck and try to learn something from
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: it and and not not have a season of I
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: mean I had and and here's the main reason. When
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: I was in college, I got into a rut. I
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: got into you know, kind of a position where how
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: it was getting content. You know, had stands where I
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: killed bucks before I had areas on public land that
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: I you know, it was you know, like consistent spots,
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: and I just limited myself to that stuff and limited
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: myself to these areas that I, you know, min Scaling
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: had been hunting for years and you know it stands
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: I killed bucks in and then it just got stagnant
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: and it's just like nothing was getting The encounters weren't increasing,
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: you know, the um Mount Dear I was shooting was
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: not increasing. It was just stacking and it was all
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: just the same. And I got super set up with that,
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: and you know, just wanted to get outside of you know,
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: my comfort zone a little bit. And and even before
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: I started hunting on the ground, I feel like, you know,
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: we were definitely doing that. Um it's just those years
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: I think back on them and I'm you know, just
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: really disappointed that I didn't start doing it earlier, you know,
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: just trying something different, trying to think outside of the
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: box as much as possible. And you know, since then,
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: the amount of encounters that I've had since I've started
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: thinking outside the box, whether that's tree stand um in,
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: a tree stand on the ground, whatever, that's when the
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: encounters really started skyrocketing, like went from you know maybe
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: at the best years, even like in Iowa, we were
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: you know, let's say, how five really good encounters with
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: the mature buck in Iowa, And then when we started
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: going just like really getting out of the comfort zone
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: and really trying to push the envelope and get close
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: to where these bucks for betting, like being counters, just
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: went like through the roofs. Like it's like every other
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: time we're going out, we're just seeing a box. You know,
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: maybe we're not killing him necessarily, but we're like seeing
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: way more, way more bucks that we're looking to shoot
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: than before. And you know, that really was eye opening
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: to me. Yeah, there's something there's something we said about
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: the fact that lots of times we do kind of
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: limit ourselves by this arbitrary, known way of you're supposed
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: to do it, and you just kind of it's easy
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: to get stuck in that like, Okay, this is what
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: we're supposed to do it, so you just do it
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: that way. But to your point, you know, you see
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: one guy doing a different way, you're like, oh, that
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: that can work. That kind of opens up all these
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: new possibilities. That's that's exciting. So it's been cool to see,
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: you know, what Jared's been doing with what tail drenin,
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: what you're doing with this UM or you know, all
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: sorts of different ideas out there, you know, Andre du Quisto,
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: the bumping dump idea out there that I feel like
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: now Dan and then you guys have been kind of
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: evolving similar tactics around that um a lot of ways
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: it's gonna cat yeah, yeah, And that's you know, I
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: think to your point, Like, I think that just having
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: you know, a playbook with all different types of plays
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: in it is way more effective than just limiting yourself
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: and feeling you're like you're limiting yourself to one one
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: specific tactic, Like like I still like hunting funnels during
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: the rut and I still like hunting. I love one
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: of them. Like one of the best setups I think
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: in the flat river bottom country of Iowa is like
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: get on the river with a perpendicular wind to that
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: river channel and sit there and like a buck is
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: going to cruise down it, especially if you're close to
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: whether it's you know, really good betting habitat like sitting
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: on a river. To me, it's like such an unbelievable tactic.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: It works out here super well. But like I don't
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: want to just be limited to that play, you know,
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: I don't want to be I personally don't want to
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: sit in the tree stands or seven days straight on
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: funnels like I like to do it occasionally, but I
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: don't want to do it every single day of the season.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: And and I also don't want to wait for that
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: to be the only opportunity. I guess that makes sense,
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: you know, but that does um. So, two final questions
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: on the ground hunting deal. Um, can you talk about
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: how you're thinking about the wind when you are heading
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: in and then also if you decide to set up
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: from the ground, if you think about wind differently at
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: all than you know if you're hunting in a tree stand.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: And then the last thing on that front is the
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: kind of a two part question. Um. Part two is
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: talk about actually getting the shot getting drawn back because
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: it sounds like encounters are you know, definitely possible, but
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: it's gotta be a little bit harder to pull off
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: those shots in the ground. Um. So I'm curious about
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: those two things. Yeah, I think those are really good questions.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: And I think the thing about the wind, I think
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: maybe my answer may may be a little bit different
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: than expected, like what I found them with the wind
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: on the ground. Now I approach it the same way
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: that you would um on you know, going to a
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: tree standard with a tree stand set up, like I'm
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: always going into the wind or across winds, like I
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: don't ever want to have the wind in my back
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: um and a lot. I like cross winds just as
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: much as I like the wind in my face. Um and.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: And the reason being is is if sometimes I feel
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: like I'm going directly into the wind, that Buck is
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: just betting with his face pointed right at me. You know,
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: you know, if you've if you've watched Buck's bed and, um,
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: you know, almost always they're betting. I wouldn't say always,
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: but they're almost always betting facing down wind. And that's
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: why I kind of like that cross wind. And sometimes
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: I feel like you can kind of catch them from
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: the side. And you you know, Sean and I last
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: year and November nineteenth, I think we've snuck up on
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: three bedded bucks and we're like fifty yards from them.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: We had a cross wind, and they had no idea
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: where they were. We were there, and they had every
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: advantage to see us except for the way that we
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: approached it with a cross wind. Um. And then the
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: other thing with the wind that I've found is like
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: when you're set up, you don't get as much of
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: that crazy swirling and crazy thermal play that you get
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: when you're up in the tree stand. Like your wind.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: A lot of times it's just like going into you know,
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: kind of getting stuffed by feeders or willows or taller
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: ass whatever. Maybe it's not traveling. It doesn't seem to
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: travel quite as far as it does when you're elevated,
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: Like it seems like you're you're you're sent your down
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: wind area is way bigger, you know, the spook zone.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: I guess it's like way bigger when you're a stand
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: and when you're on the ground consistently and spotted left
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: I'm ground setups and I would say pretty consistently have
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: been winded less than tree stands there. Yeah, then tree
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: stands setups. Um. It's it sounds weird, but like do
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: a lot of you know, we carry milkweed with us
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: all the time, and like a lot of times you
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: drop that milk weed and it just like gets stuffed
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: by something, and it doesn't seem like it's traveling quite
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: as far as when you get up in the stand,
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: you got all that open ground down below you for
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: that wind to get down catch weird different thermals, different. Yeah,
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: it's like it's been a really eye opening um just
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: seeing how that wind goes away from the ground set up.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: It's it's it's pretty crazy and I'm really really pleased
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: with that. And you know, I'm the stinkiest guy ever
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: out there, Like I don't kindn't use any um, Like
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: I don't have enough time with all the editing and
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: stuff we do, we don't have any time to do
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: um you know, any type of china control our set
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: and trying to smell anything less than you know, just
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: a stinky human. So like I want to know that
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: that wind isn't just doing crazy stuff. And I found,
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: you know, on the ground it just seems to be
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: just a little bit more consistent and just doesn't seem
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: to travel as far. And then I guess as far
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: as the shot goes, UM, I love the shot opportunities
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: because it's like you're shooting at a target. You know,
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: when you get up in the tree stand and elevated,
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: you're starting to talk about some weird angles sometimes, especially
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: if you're getting way up in the tree stand. Um.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: I've actually been talking a lot about this year. You know,
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: we actually got some saddles tree saddles as well, and
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: we're excited about China those you know, we've been talking. Yeah,
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: I think the opportunity is unbelievable just being mobile. But
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: you know, the shot and I can I'll touch on
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: drawing in a minute, but you know, the shot angles
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: have been a huge game changer for me because the
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: shots that I messed up when I was younger, I
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: used a lot of climber stand climbing stands and I
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: was younger, you know, that was my mobile set up
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: because you know, Ohio, the trees aren't quite as bushy
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: as they are out here in Iowa. Like Ohio trees
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: are really straight, like telephone poles, Like you don't have
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: a lot of that horizontal branch and kind of that
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: brushy type tree that you get in and you know
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: other parts in the Midwest. So I was a lot
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: of times just trying to get super super far up
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: in trees and the climber and not in turn would
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: like get these really horrible angles to where a lot
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: of the shots that I messed up I really in
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: hindsight now, I think if I would have just been lower,
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: I would have had more vitals to work with. You know,
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: the higher you get, the weirder that angle gets. And
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: I've I've made a lot of shots on deer that
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: you know, I made a lot of shots on deer
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: that I have recovered all these but you know, like
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: one long liver and that's a lot of that has
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: to do with like a high tree stand angle. You know,
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: when you're on the ground, you're shooting at that deer
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: like eye level, flat like you've got all that to
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: work with. You don't have any weird angles from being
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: too too far up. And that's my like, my really
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: my favorite part about the ground coming the shot angles,
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: you know. And one when one's at twenty yards, he
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: never looks like he's further than twenty yards. He looks
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: like twenty yards, you know, like like you're shooting at
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: your three D target in the backyard. It's awesome, like
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: so instinctual. You know, you just draw back center that
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: pin and then you don't have to think about much
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: more than that. And then I guess as far as
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: drawing the actually just got ahold of a Matthew's try acts.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: And I love that thing because it's super short. It's
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: like eight inches. Do you have fun mark? That thing
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: feels so tiny. Yeah, And I love that because like
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: that makes it so easy to draw on the ground.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: I do a lot of like basically put that low,
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: that bottom limb parallel to the ground as close as
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: I can, and draw the bow facing down and then
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: then rise up. Like if you watch them. The buck
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: I killed in Iowa last year and that I know
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: that one was a little bit different, actually stood all
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: the way up because I knew that when he was
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: going behind a bush, I could just stand up and draw.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: But the biggest thing is is just keeping your profile
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: low if they're if they're you know, if they're going
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: to be able to see you, keep that profile low,
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: and then I just ease up to them and I've drawn.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: I practiced draw on a ton of deer to make
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: sure that, like, and I highly recommend that either you're
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: in a tree stand or you're in a um on
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: the ground, tree saddle, whatever. Like the more experience you
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: get practiced drawing, the better you know you get it
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: just making that decision, and it just comes more natural
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: when you know it's a moment of truth. But um,
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: the again, the biggest thing is keeping a low profile
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: and just you know, using using the vegetation and the
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: terrainteer advantage. Like if he can't if you can't see
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: his eyes, if you've got a chance to draw, do
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: it then and be ready. Um. And I've actually found
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: that it's pretty easy to pull off, especially in grassy habitat.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: Maybe he got enough graphs that, like I sit on
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: my knees mostly, and like if I'm sitting on my
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: knees and I can draw that bow below that line
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: of vegetation, a lot of times, it's pretty you know,
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: pretty easy to do without them seeing you. Yeah, it's
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: all about that timing. It seems like mm hmm yeah,
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: same as a bear in a tree stand. Ye. Um,
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: Well that's interesting, Dan. I know you've got to drop
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: off here kind of soon. So do you have any
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: final thing you want to make sure we cover? Was
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: that before you have to bail? I'm just I'm kind
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: of curious, uh, when it comes to like making like
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: making the decision right. I mean, there had to be
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: a whole bunch of failures uh in in what you
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: do that led you to the method that you're you know,
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: hunting right now. So maybe like talk about a couple
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: of big failures that we're maybe aha moments that's like, hey, gosh,
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: darn it, man, I should have done this. Mhm um. Well,
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: I guess as far as the like the cadence and
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: moving or like the setups, um, like once you've got
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: to a spot, you know that a lot of that's
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: just like major hard you know, like hard lost trial
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: and air right like, yeah, we didn't have enough cover
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: there or um. One one thing that really sticks out
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: to me, um, there was a hunt last year, I
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: believe it was October and there was this there was
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: this betting area that I had hunted. I actually jumped
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: a buck out of it the year prior, and just
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: by hunting back there year prior, you know, I kind
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: of put the pieces of the puzzle together and there
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: was this scrape line I knew of that was right
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: on the transition line of the betting area, and Jake
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: and I went in there to still hunt it that
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: morning and Ibby diners like we weren't going in there,
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: sitting there talking to the cameras so stupid, like about
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: all this sign that we were seeing and like how
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: you know, looking really good, and you know, we're basically
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: talking about, hey, we found the hot sign, right and
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: sure enough, we were sitting in a place where we
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: didn't have enough cover and we weren't set up. We
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: were to continue moving, but like this was a huge, huge,
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: like like learning, like this like point of learning, Like
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: we we messed this up so bad. I have a decoy,
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: had a little one of those heads up silhouette decoys,
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: and I have that, so that was a little bit
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: of cover. But like we were just pretty much sitting
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: out in the open. Now we both had gilly suits on,
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: so that definitely helps, but we didn't have any like
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: big trees or anything around us. We were just kind
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: of sitting out like a little bit of graphs beside us,
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: which helps us a little bit. But sure enough we're
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: sitting there and like this is all like captured on video.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: I'm just like, wait, do you hear that? It's like
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: there's got to be a buck like scraping, Like it
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: just was like that classics, just like sucking. They're just
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: hoofing up the place. Sure enough, I look up and
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: just this tank is standing there looking towards us. It's
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: like I don't know, like he's too close, Like we're
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: in a bad spot. So I I did my best
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: to get that decoy in front of me, and I
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: did get it set up and kind of stubbed it
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: down on the ground, so sitting up in front of me,
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: and he saw it. He started to circle down wind
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: and he's in bow range. He's thirty yards. I didn't
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: have a really good clear shot, and I got drawn
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: on him and everything, but I just didn't have a
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: good shot. But like he'd eventually was just got weirded
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: out by the situation, blew and just kind of slowly
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: bounded and then and then walked away. And that moment
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: was like, Hey, if you're still hunting, never stop where
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: there's not covered, dude, Like that's so dumb, Like why
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: were we just sitting out in the middle of the open.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: I really think that if we had just had a
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: big tree to hide most of our body behind, like
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: we'd have got a shot at that book. I think
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: he would have tried to circle down wind to that
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: decoy and got in very very close range of us,
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: and we'd have been able to shoot him. But you know,
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: just the fact that we had nothing else was a huge, huge,
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: like don't do that anymore. And like now and another
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: thing that I maybe should have touched on earlier. We're
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: talking about cadence. It's like always looking at the next
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: place of like, okay, we're here, now we've got cover.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: The deer shows up. This is how I'm gonna draw all.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: This is where you know, I've got a shot here,
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: I've got a shot here. But then if we're gonna
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: make ten more yards, like that's the next next place,
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: and then that's the shooting lane. You're almost picking the
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: next spot before you get to it. You know, you
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: kind of have a small goal in mind or like
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: or maybe you make it halfway, maybe I make it halfway,
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: and the deer starts coming towards us, Like how are
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: we going to make cover work? You know, it's just
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: it's gotta be a constant thing in your mind of
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: like how can I grab some cover real quick and
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: make us make it work? And I think that we
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: learned that hard that day, Like I mean, it's silly,
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: it's it's funny now, but like we were just like
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: how did we just make that mistake? Like that was
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: so dumb, Like we were literally were exactly where we
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: expected them to be, working that scrape line, and that's
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: exactly what he was doing. You know, everything that we
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: had planned was right except for we just didn't have
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: enough caught and it was just silly. Yeah, that was
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: that was a hard one. My first year elk hunting,
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: My my buddy I was with said this same thing.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: Never stop in an opening, never stop or do a
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: calling sequence, or take any time to glass or anything
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: unless you're set up somewhere with cover, because exactly what
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: you said, things can happen so quick. They can all
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: of a sudden be an elk that shows up, and
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: if you aren't set up with cover, you're stuck hung
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: out to dry. And you just always need to plan
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: for that happening, be ready for it just in case
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: it does. Because the one time that it happens and
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: you're not ready, you know, you had the moment you
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: had and yeah, for sure, and I think that I
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: think what was the was disappointing was that Jake and
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: I both are like, you know, really really into turkey hunting,
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: and like one of my one of my biggest like
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: pet peeves is like calling without like previously looking for
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: a place that you can dive into like if I'm
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: not standing right decided, I'm you know, a step from it,
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: because if a bird gobbles and he's inside a fifty yards,
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: like he might be coming right now and you need
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: to grab that cover. And it's like that was just
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: just totally went over our head when we were deer
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: hunting that day, and I think that, you know, I
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: hope to never make that mistake again. Surely I will
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: at some point, but you know, we learned a lot
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: from it that day. And I guess one other thing
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: I wanted to quickly touch on, you know, to kind
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: of get to um, you know, I guess getting to
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: that point of you know, really looking hard for that
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: hot sign and not setting up until you signed it
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: is I just when I was talking about being in
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: a rut at one point and hunting and you know,
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: kind of doing the same old, same old. It was
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: like you'd go into these spots and it's like the
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: signs not there. You know, the scrape that might have
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: been there the year prior isn't hot, it isn't opened up. Um,
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: you know, the rubs aren't there, and I just feel
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: like I wasted so many sits in spots that like
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: are good spots but just aren't hot spots. And just
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: you know, looking back at old footage, looking back at
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: you know, from from high you know, I've started I
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: started filming, you know, just like my buddies, Like we're
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: in high school. So I have like tons of tons
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: of things I could go back and look at, and
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: it's like those days we were having the best hunts,
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: it's like we're always in the hot sign. The days
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: that we're having the bad hunts, we're always not in
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: the hot sign. And I think that that's really one
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: of the big steps that led me into this more
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: mobile style of hunting. And and obviously like listening to
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: guys like Dan and and learning more about this betting,
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: you know, betting how Buck's dead and and all that
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: has definitely played a role in that as well. But
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: you know, the big thing was just like feeling like
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: at one point there was just a bunch of time
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: wasted in not hotspots. Yeah. So, so something that I
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: think includes a lot of the ideas we talked about
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: so far is your Iowa kill last year. You you
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: briefly touched on a bit, but I feel like if
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: I remember that hunt, right, there was a little bit
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: of the there's the ground hunting. There was some hot
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: sign you guys noticed there was, um, you know, being
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: in this new area that I think there was like
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: a standing cornfield or cut cornfield or something like that
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: that you were playing off of. Can you walk us
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: through that and maybe use as an example to illustrate
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: some of the things we talked about. Yeah, so what
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: I guess there was one actually other really important factor,
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: and that was hunting pressure. That day. It was November,
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: and like it just seems like that day everybody was
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: out and ended up running into um, that guy that
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: I've actually met on public Land in Ohio, super crazy,
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: and then I ran into him that day, met him,
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: met him in twice in the middle of nowhere. He's
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: from Vermont, and just happened to run into him twice,
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: which was pretty cool, and um ran into him, ran
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: and actually ended up running into his dad later that morning,
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: and like just ran into a number of different hunters
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: throughout that whole that whole day, and we were just
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: again not like locking onto a spot, we were just like, okay,
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't feel all right, it's bail And
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: we went in that day, Um oh Man. We were
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: probably at like five different public land locations throughout that day.
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: We never went home, but you know, we just kept
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: bouncing around, kind of poking into spots, and if it
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: didn't feel good, we just laughed. And eventually we got
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: to thinking about we'd hunted on the other side of
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: the river on that same piece that we ended up
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: going into that night and shooting the buck at. It
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: was like I told told Jake, I was like, you know,
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: not standing cornfield really interested me because if that standing
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: corn I would imagine not a lot of people are
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: walking way back in there, going through the corn and
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: then getting into that betting area. And I had scouted
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: that betting area. It's my buddy from Ohio. My parents
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: were there, and um, we just scouted at that spring prior,
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: and you know, it seems like a really good place
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: to be during the ruts. So we started easing in there,
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: and right away you could tell you could tell that
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: there was hunting pressure kind of around the edges, like
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: there were stands up around that standing cornfield, and and uh,
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: you can see where somebody had been walking in there
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: quite a bit. But as we got deeper in there,
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the scrapes started popping up. And
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: then as we started to get into the edge of it,
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: oh and then and then we got back even for
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: in one of those corn fields have just been recently
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: cut and there were buck tracks in that in the mud.
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: It was real kind of a damp day and damp
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: evening the night before. There was all kinds of really
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: fresh big buck tracks out in that um outing that
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: cut cornfield. And we were easing our way back and
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: got to the edge of the bedding area, started seeing
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: you know, rubs popping up, straights trails everywhere, and we
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: eventually got into the middle of the betting area and
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: we did bump a deer on the way and we
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: blew a bunch like, you know, totally spooked one. I was,
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: I was assuming it was a dull. I mean, I
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: don't know if that's the right of coumption or not,
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: but you know, we were just like like, okay, if
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: we bumped into a deer, we've seen all the sign
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: you know, we've we're being really quiet like nothing else. No,
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: the only reason that dear spooked is because they got
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: our wind. Like everything you know up wind of us
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: should have no idea where here, sign looks good, everything
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: looks good. Let's let's set up here and if we
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: need to go further tomorrow. You know, we only had
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: we only had like an hour and a half left
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: at that point in the day. We've been all over
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 1: the place, and like we were kind of running a time.
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: So we decided, all right, we're gonna set up here
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: and if it's no good tonight, we'll go deeper. And
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: the whole I guess the whole strategy was there was
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 1: kind of this little mini funnel within that betting area
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: where all the deer were coming out of their beds
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: and they were walking down this like very small strip
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 1: of canary grass. Everything else was like thick cat tails
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 1: or willows, and like right in the middle there was
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: kind of a hot little high rise and there was
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: just canary grasstaurant on that and all those deer were
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 1: coming out right on that that kind of little transition line.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 1: And our theory was, you know, if a buck is
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: following some bills up and out of there, you might
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 1: get lucky and he's gonna come right through here. But
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: another thing that we think about a lot, and we've
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: been talking about a lot of the last year. So
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: it's like bucks crossing dough trails, you know, that's like
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 1: kind of just a more effective way for them to
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: kind of check for the hot dough. It's like they're
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: just cutting, They're going perpendicular to the bulk of the trails,
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: Like a lot of trails are just you know, a
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: to b bed to food and find a lot of
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: scrapes and rubs that are going straight perpendicular to that.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: And it just we just started thinking, you know, it's like, okay,
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: if if that's the case, like there's obviously obviously a reason,
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: And we started setting up on that a lot more
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: last year, and it's all lots of buck doing that,
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: just going exactly perpendicular to the ball of the beer movement.
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 1: They're just cutting those dose trails looking for the hot dough.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 1: It's more efficient than them going and checking every betting
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: area instead they're just going and looking on all those
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: trails just on one mine. And I guess the theory was, like,
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: like I said, eas either us either going to follow
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: the dose out on this little patch canary graph on
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: the transition, or he's gonna come across here and come
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: across in front of us. Cutting east trails. Our wind
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: was going it would have been perpendicular to those trails.
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: So we were set up twenty yards from those trailers,
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: you know, anywhere from like seven yards to yards from
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: those trails, and they were going in front of us
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: east and west, and the wind was coming out of
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: the south and the wind is blowing. The wind was
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: blowing towards mostly cat tails, where we expected the least
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: amount of deer to come from. Let's put it that way, Um,
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: kind of just going into a massive cattails. And like
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: I said, like we blew a deer like right before
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 1: we set up, because it was bedded out in those
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 1: cat tails. But it was just one. And we knew
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 1: if we were, you know, to do it for there
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: was one, there would probably be some more. So we
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: just didn't worry too much about it and just up
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 1: and really nothing happened for the longest time. And I
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 1: was getting impatient, you know, classic and I'm standing up
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 1: on the We were kind of tucked up under a
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: willow so unbelievable setup. It was. It was really really nice.
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: It had ton to cover there, but there was this
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: like big willow trunk that kind of like ran along
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 1: the ground and then went up so I could stand
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 1: up on that trunk and I could get like three
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: more feet up in the air and see further into
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: that betting area. So Jake is like Jake is with me.
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: He was filming, and he was just like laying on
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: the ground looking at his phone or something, and I'm
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 1: standing up on this log glass and then that betting area.
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: Remember saying something along the lines of just like, how
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: are we not saying any deer because like we were
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 1: in the middle of just like you know, the hot side, Like,
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 1: how are there no deer in here? In like thirty
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: seconds later, I hear crack this big branch snap, and
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 1: I looked to my right and I just see handlers
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: sticking up in the grass, and uh, it's just super
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: dumb of me, and I just moved too fast. I
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: panicked because I was like, he's right on top of us.
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's forty five yards coming right out of
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 1: I panicked, and I moved and he looked. He looked
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: up and he saw he saw a movement. But I
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: was again, I'm wearing that gilly suit, and I just
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 1: slowly slops down. I can see that he's looking at me,
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: but I just slowly slapped down, grabbed my bow, and
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: I'm like, Jake, there's a buck coming right out of like,
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 1: you know, get ready, but shure enough. He pops right
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: out of that stuff. And at this point, he's thirty yards.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 1: He pops right out and he looks right at us
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 1: for one, one or two seconds, and he just doesn't
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: see anything, and he just keeps on going. And he
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 1: came about five more yards closer, and he cut cut
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: those trails and then got to the end of where
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: he wanted to go and he started to circle right
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 1: back into that betting area. Now he's not going out
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: towards those fields at all. He's going deeper back into
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: that betting area. You know he was That's exactly what
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: he was doing, is he was cutting those trails and
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 1: then he was gonna loop right back in there. He
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: wasn't gonna go out towards the agg he wasn't gonna
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 1: go out towards that open ground. You know, it's getting
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: close to dark, but he's going right back into that
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 1: betting area. And I had some you know, some shooting
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 1: lanes picked out, and you know, when I was envisioning
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: the spot working, I was like, man, how awesome would
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 1: it be if one just walked and put his head
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: right behind that big bush. And he's like, because it's
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 1: like I think I could draw and just stand up.
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: Sure enough, that's exactly what he did. He went right
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 1: behind a big, big pile of brush out there. I
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 1: just drew and stood up and as soon as he
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 1: stepped out, I stopped him and shot him at tony
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 1: five yards. And you know, a lot of a lot
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 1: of that is, you know, I think how he ended
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 1: up getting to that spot is you know, kind of
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 1: like you said, all those things that we've touched on.
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 1: It's like avoiding the pressure, you know, look in for
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 1: the hot sign and um, just being mobile, you know
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: if it's yeah, we could have very well set up
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 1: on a number of other places that day, but it's
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  Speaker 1: like we just try not to get too caught up
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  Speaker 1: in a spot that, you know, maybe it's been good
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  Speaker 1: in the past, Like if the signs not they're not
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  Speaker 1: not worth sitting it. But we knew when we got
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  Speaker 1: into that spot that we were we were gonna hunt
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  Speaker 1: it that night. We were gonna hunt it the next day.
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  Speaker 1: Like if we didn't kill one that night, I'd guarantee
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  Speaker 1: we would have been back in there the next day
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 1: because the sign was just on fire. Yeah, that's awesome that,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it is is cool to see all those
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 1: things kind of line up to make that hunt. And
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 1: you know, so many times you can do nine percent
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  Speaker 1: of the things right and then something still goes wrong.
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  Speaker 1: But it's nice when all the lessons learned, all these
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  Speaker 1: things you've been thinking about every once in a while,
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  Speaker 1: once or twice a year, maybe they line up in
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 1: the everything falls in place and it works out. So yeah,
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 1: that's yeah, it's it's total trial and arra too. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's just like any type of hunting. I mean, you're
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 1: gonna all for sure, but I think that Yeah, like
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 1: you said, it's fun when it finally works out, because
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 1: both times it doesn't. My favorite saying and hunting end
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 1: in life is you win some, but you lose most.
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  Speaker 1: You can't you can't let the losses get you down.
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  Speaker 1: You just gotta keep going after it. Man. That is
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  Speaker 1: the truth. So, um, well, I feel like there's nineteen
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  Speaker 1: other things I still want to talk about, but we're
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 1: pushing close to two hours here, so we better wrap it.
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 1: But what's the what's the plan for the rest of
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 1: the year where else. So you guys headed, Um tomorrow morning,
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 1: we're going to Minnesota and we're gonna be hunting with
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 1: um damn in fault. Um nice, I'll do it yourself sportsman.
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  Speaker 1: His name. His name is Garrett. Don't know if you're
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 1: familiar with Garrett work. He's on YouTube. Um. And then
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 1: a couple of other members from the Hunting Beast will
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  Speaker 1: be there and we're hunt some Minnesota public land, have
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 1: some fun and we're calling it the public Land Challenge.
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 1: But you know, there's actually no real challenge. You just wanna,
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 1: you know, kind of document how we're all approaching things
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 1: a little bit differently. You know, we all have fairly
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 1: similar aggressive hunting type styles. But you know it's just
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 1: gonna be a fun way to not really even I
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 1: guess compare showing anything that's better, just showing how it's
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 1: all different. And we're excited about that. And then um,
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 1: we'll do Missouri for sure, Iowa for sure. Um, I
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 1: really really really am hoping that it's all gonna line
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 1: up and I'm gonna be able to get to Ohio.
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 1: I kind of want to go to the kind of
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 1: my plan right now is the hit Ohio one through ten, UM,
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 1: and then November one through ten, and then oh what else.
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 1: Alabama is looking like a thing that we're definitely gonna
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 1: try and then and then that would be later in
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 1: the season, and then Greg might go back to Nebraska.
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 1: You know, he really wants to go back to Nebraska,
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 1: which would be really cool. Kind of try try to
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 1: hit it at a different time frame than we have
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 1: the last couple of years. UM, probably a little bit
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 1: of Wisconsin here and there, and then yeah, I mean
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 1: we get lucky and put some more put some tags
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 1: on some bucks, you know, maybe maybe even a couple more. Well,
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 1: I know, some good stuff in Michigan I can point
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 1: you towards if you ever had this direction. Uh, it's
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 1: it's I would love the hunt in Michigan. Man, It's
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 1: definitely on the It's definitely on the high priority list.
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 1: That and that and just anywhere in the East. I
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 1: guess is I'm really drawn to just being from there.
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 1: I've always wanted to travel, you know, in the state's
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 1: bordering Ohio, so places like Indiana, u Kentucky, Pennsylvania, New York,
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 1: New York is really high on the priority list. Michigan,
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 1: all those places I'm sadly you can't do them all
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 1: in one year though. That's the that's the tough part.
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 1: You can't do it all. But it sounds like you
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 1: guys are gonna give it one hell to try, so
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to following along. So, Zack, I appreciate
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 1: you taking the time to do this just before taking
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 1: off for a big trip and all that. And uh,
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 1: can't we see how it goes? Yeah, no problem, I'm
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 1: really happy to happy to talk hunting. I appreciate you
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 1: having me on it. I can probably talk for another
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 1: couple of days here at least, but we'll have to
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 1: do it a follow up sometime, maybe later in the
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 1: season or early next year. See how it all went. Yeah,
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 1: sounds good. Appreciate it all right, Good luck to season, Zack,
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 1: and we will talk to you later. And that's gonna
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 1: do it first Today's so. I hope you enjoyed this
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 1: one as much as I did. I thought Zack had
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 1: some really interesting things to share. Um, just a lot
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 1: of ideas that get me thinking. So who knows, maybe
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 1: I'll be run around on the ground this year a
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 1: little bit, trying some things out. I know it's it's
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 1: a very intriguing proposition and a lot of his public
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 1: land ideas I know I've already been putting into action
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 1: in different Four is based off some of the other
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 1: people he's learned from. Um I've learned from two, and
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 1: I certainly think there's a lot of potential there as well.
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 1: So good stuff here. I guess before we wrap this
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• 2:02:18
  Speaker 1: And I guess otherwise, I just want to wish you
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  Speaker 1: a ton of luck if you're out there hunting. I
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 1: know hunting seasons they're open for a whole lot of
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 1: people now, So good luck out there, shoot straight, and
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 1: until next time, stay wired to Hunt.