Latest / Chief in Tech Deep Dive Shortcast / Chief in Tech S1E54 - Clare Wilkinson : The Floor We Stand On
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- 0:00Usually, when we talk about building a career,
- 0:02we picture a ladder. Right, yeah. A very vertical,
- 0:06solitary kind of image. Exactly. You know, you
- 0:08grip the rung, you pull yourself up, you try
- 0:10not to look down, and maybe you accidentally
- 0:13kick someone in the face on the way up. Right,
- 0:15because there's inherently only so much room
- 0:17at the top of a ladder. Yeah, the entire metaphor
- 0:19is just built around this individualistic, zero
- 0:22-sum climb. And honestly, that structure just
- 0:25dictates that not everyone can make it, which
- 0:27breeds a very specific almost survivalist workplace
- 0:32culture. But then you encounter a perspective
- 0:35that completely shatters that latter metaphor.
- 0:38Suddenly, you aren't climbing at all. You're
- 0:40pouring concrete. You are laying floorboards.
- 0:42It's a huge shift. It really is. So welcome to
- 0:45today's Deep Dive. We are jumping into a source
- 0:47today that forces a complete reevaluation of
- 0:51how you view your own career trajectory. We're
- 0:53looking at an essay titled Building Floors for
- 0:56Future Generations. A journey of leadership and
- 0:59sponsorship. Right. Written by a VP of Engineering
- 1:02at Anaplan. And our mission today is to give
- 1:05you a shortcut to being well informed on a topic
- 1:08that honestly impacts anyone navigating a career
- 1:10or leading a team. Yeah, because this isn't some
- 1:13dry corporate manifesto. It's a deeply personal
- 1:16narrative. Exactly. It blends family history,
- 1:19the high stakes tech world, and this crucial
- 1:21distinction that could change everything about
- 1:23how you operate at work. So whether you're a
- 1:25junior employee or a senior leader, you are going
- 1:28to walk away with a major aha moment about the
- 1:31difference between giving someone advice and,
- 1:33you know, actually changing their career. What's
- 1:35fascinating here is how the author synthesizes
- 1:38generational progress into truly actionable workplace
- 1:41advice. She uses her own family history as the
- 1:44raw data to understand these massive macro level
- 1:48leadership principles. She maps the micro dynamics
- 1:50of a 1930s household directly onto the management
- 1:53of a modern global software engineering team.
- 1:55It's wild. It really is. So we aren't in some
- 1:59sleek Silicon Valley boardroom. To understand
- 2:02the architecture of this author's leadership
- 2:04style, we actually have to look at the blueprint
- 2:06her mother drafted, like, almost a century ago.
- 2:09Right, we are talking about the 1930s here. Yeah,
- 2:11the 1930s. The author's mother was born into
- 2:14an era where societal expectations for women
- 2:17were, well, severely restricted. The institutional
- 2:21friction against women's ambition was just immense.
- 2:24Oh, absolutely. Yet somehow she managed to earn
- 2:26degrees from King's College London and Hughes
- 2:29Hall Cambridge. Which is... I mean, to put that
- 2:32into perspective, merely attending those institutions
- 2:34as a woman in that era required navigating an
- 2:38absolute minefield of academic and social resistance.
- 2:41Curiously. But she didn't just survive that environment,
- 2:43right? She accumulated a staggering intellectual
- 2:46toolkit, which included mastering an astonishing
- 2:49nine languages. Wait, nine languages? I mean,
- 2:51I struggle to navigate the menu at a French restaurant,
- 2:54you know? Right. It's incredible. Mastering nine
- 2:56distinct linguistic systems requires a profound
- 2:58level of cognitive flexibility and sheer endurance.
- 3:03Like, OK, let's unpack this for a second, because
- 3:06the detail that really demands our attention
- 3:08isn't just the resume itself. It's the context
- 3:11in which she operated. She maintained a full
- 3:14time teaching career while simultaneously raising
- 3:17seven children. Seven kids. Doing both of those
- 3:20things without even a fraction of the modern
- 3:23conveniences we rely on today is remarkable.
- 3:25Right. But the source material highlights something
- 3:28much more structural than just individual grit.
- 3:31The mother didn't do this in a vacuum. She built
- 3:33an informal but highly effective network of supportive
- 3:37women in her community. Reading about this network,
- 3:39it struck me as essentially a shadow HR department
- 3:42for the neighborhood. Oh, I love that framing.
- 3:44Right. Because these women were trading childcare,
- 3:47pooling resources, and sharing whatever professional
- 3:49or domestic advantages they had. I mean, there
- 3:51were no formal frameworks. Nobody had a corporate
- 3:53budget for a diversity and inclusion initiative.
- 3:56Definitely not in the 1930s. Exactly. It was
- 3:59pure community infrastructure built from scratch
- 4:02to provide the support that society explicitly
- 4:05refused to build for them. A shadow HR department
- 4:08is really a perfect way to conceptualize it.
- 4:10Because if we look at the underlying mechanics
- 4:12of that network, it operates on the exact same
- 4:15principles as modern corporate support systems.
- 4:18Just, you know, without the official letterhead.
- 4:20Right, totally. The mother recognized that the
- 4:22formal institutions of the 1930s were broken,
- 4:25at least for her demographic, so she engineered
- 4:28her own ecosystem. And that environment instilled
- 4:31equality and education as absolute, non -negotiable
- 4:34principles in the author's upbringing. It taught
- 4:37her that when a system doesn't support your growth,
- 4:40you don't just complain about the system. You
- 4:42construct an alternative structure. You build
- 4:44your own floor to stand on. Exactly. Which creates
- 4:46this fascinating bridge to the present day. Because,
- 4:50you know, observing that kind of grassroots hustle
- 4:52as a child is one thing. But translating that
- 4:551930s neighborhood ethos into the highly formalized
- 4:59pressure cooker environment of the modern tech
- 5:01industry, that is an entirely different beast.
- 5:04Oh, for sure. Fast -forward to today, and the
- 5:06author is a mother to two daughters herself,
- 5:09and she is a VP of engineering at Anaplan. Leading
- 5:12a global team, right? Yes. She manages a global
- 5:15team of engineers creating cutting -edge, complex
- 5:18software applications. And she has navigated
- 5:20this team through the entire life cycle of a
- 5:23modern tech juddernaut. From a small startup
- 5:26phase... through a massive decade of public growth,
- 5:30and ultimately through an acquisition by Toma
- 5:31Bravo. OK, let's be totally real for a second
- 5:34here, because this is usually where the corporate
- 5:36narrative falls apart for me. Oh, so? Well, the
- 5:38author states that Anaplan's leadership actively
- 5:40pursues pay equity and fosters a culture of flexibility.
- 5:44But I mean, during a private equity acquisition
- 5:47by a firm like Toma Bravo, buzzwords like flexibility
- 5:50and equity are usually the very first things
- 5:53thrown out the window. Right. The focus usually
- 5:55shifts entirely to aggressive scaling, margins,
- 5:58and ruthless efficiency. Exactly. So how does
- 6:01a culture of care actually survive a buyout like
- 6:03that without just being some empty slogan on
- 6:05a careers page? Does it actually translate to
- 6:08the engineering floors? That skepticism is crucial
- 6:11because you're absolutely right. Talk is incredibly
- 6:13cheap in the middle of an acquisition. Very cheap.
- 6:15The pressure to ship features and prove valuation
- 6:17usually crushes soft cultural initiatives. But
- 6:22if we connect this to the bigger picture, The
- 6:25source points to a specific structural countermeasure
- 6:28here, Anaplan's Graduate Development Academy.
- 6:31Okay, what was that exactly? This wasn't just
- 6:34a passive mentorship group. It was an institutionalized
- 6:37mechanism deliberately designed to select and
- 6:41protect emerging exceptional female talent in
- 6:45the tech industry. But how does that actually
- 6:47function under the hood though? Like how does
- 6:48an academy shield talent from that intense acquisition
- 6:51pressure? By formalizing the shadow network.
- 6:54Instead of leaving junior engineers to fend for
- 6:57themselves in the chaos of a rapidly scaling
- 6:59company, the Academy grouped them into cohorts.
- 7:02Oh, got it. Yeah, it gave them direct access
- 7:04to senior leadership problems while providing
- 7:07a dedicated buffer for their development. When
- 7:09a company is doubling in size or undergoing due
- 7:12diligence for a buyout, emerging talent usually
- 7:14just gets buried under impossible workload. Right,
- 7:16they get forgotten in the promotion cycle. Exactly.
- 7:19But the Academy dedicated hard financial resources
- 7:22and executive time to ensure these women were
- 7:25continuously elevated, not just utilized for
- 7:28cheap labor. It proves that surviving a high
- 7:31-stakes environment doesn't mean abandoning equity.
- 7:34It means you actually have to bake equity into
- 7:37your operational budget. Wow. So it takes the
- 7:39neighborhood support system her mother engineered
- 7:41and literally codifies it into corporate policy.
- 7:44Precisely. But, you know... The narrative in
- 7:47the source material doesn't just stay at the
- 7:49policy level. It zooms in on a much more intimate,
- 7:52vulnerable reality of the author's career. Her
- 7:55path to becoming a VP wasn't a straight, predictable
- 7:57line at all. No, not at all. She emphasizes the
- 8:01nonlinear nature of her career, transitioning
- 8:04between different roles and disciplines. And
- 8:06those lateral moves taught her a vital leadership
- 8:09mechanic, which is the necessity of creating
- 8:11environments where teams are paralyzed by the
- 8:13need to present perfect solutions. Which makes
- 8:16total sense in software engineering. I mean,
- 8:17if you are terrified of shipping a bug, you will
- 8:20literally never ship the software. But the most
- 8:22profound lesson she shares about leadership didn't
- 8:24happen during a product launch or a board meeting.
- 8:27It happened when the author was diagnosed with
- 8:29breast cancer. Right. A completely life -altering
- 8:32health crisis that fundamentally tested her relationship
- 8:34with her workplace and her team. She writes about
- 8:37how facing that illness revealed the true meaning
- 8:40of support and unconditional care in the workplace.
- 8:43And honestly, it completely upended how we traditionally
- 8:46talk about work -life balance. Yeah. How so?
- 8:48Well, we usually treat work -life balance like
- 8:50a zero -sum math equation, right? You give the
- 8:53company 40 hours, the company gives you a paycheck
- 8:56and two weeks of vacation, and the ledger is
- 8:58balanced. In cool exchange. But when you are
- 9:01undergoing treatment for breast cancer, the math
- 9:04collapses entirely. You cannot balance. the ledger.
- 9:07The expectation of reciprocal output completely
- 9:09vanishes. Exactly. And the author realizes that
- 9:12genuine workplace support isn't a balanced equation
- 9:15at all. It's a safety net. It is about receiving
- 9:18unconditional care from your team and your leadership
- 9:20when you are physically and emotionally incapable
- 9:24of balancing the scales. That is such a powerful
- 9:27realization and connecting this to the broader
- 9:29picture of team dynamics. The concept of a safety
- 9:32net is the mechanical foundation of psychological
- 9:34safety. Right. When the author experienced that
- 9:37profound, unconditional care during her illness,
- 9:41it reshaped her entire leadership philosophy.
- 9:44I mean, think about how a safety net functions
- 9:46for a trapeze artist. OK. If you know, with absolute
- 9:49certainty, that the net will catch you if you
- 9:52fall, your behavior on the tightrope changes
- 9:55entirely. You take bigger swings. You attempt
- 9:57more complex maneuvers. Because the penalty for
- 10:00failure isn't death. In an engineering context,
- 10:03if a team knows their leadership views them as
- 10:06human beings first, if they know they won't just
- 10:08be discarded the moment their output drops due
- 10:10to a crisis, they are liberated from the fear
- 10:12of catastrophic failure. They'll pitch weirder,
- 10:14more innovative ideas. Exactly. They will admit
- 10:17mistakes earlier, which prevents small bugs from
- 10:19becoming massive system failures, vulnerability
- 10:22from leadership builds trust, and trust is the
- 10:25actual engine that drives a high -performing
- 10:27engineering floor. Which brings us to the most
- 10:29critical pivot in the entire source material.
- 10:33We've traced the foundation her mother laid in
- 10:35the 1930s. We've looked at how those principles
- 10:38were institutionalized at Anaplan through programs
- 10:41like the Academy. We've explored how a personal
- 10:44health crisis forged a deep understanding of
- 10:47psychological safety. All of this data funnels
- 10:50into one incredibly sharp distinction about how
- 10:54leaders actually change the trajectory of someone's
- 10:56career. Right. It is the defining mechanical
- 10:59difference between mentorship and sponsorship.
- 11:01Yes. The author is incredibly precise with these
- 11:04definitions. Mentorship is receiving guidance.
- 11:07It is having a more experienced person analyze
- 11:09your situation, offer advice, and support your
- 11:12growth. Which is vital. Totally vital. Everyone
- 11:14needs a mentor to help them navigate the unwritten
- 11:16rules of a workplace. Sponsorship is an entirely
- 11:20different gear. Sponsorship is someone actively
- 11:23advocating for you in a crucial closed door conversations
- 11:26when you are not in the room. It is the active
- 11:29deployment of social and political capital on
- 11:32someone else's behalf, helping you seize opportunities
- 11:35that might otherwise be completely inaccessible.
- 11:37Okay. Here's where it gets really interesting.
- 11:40Let's really hammer this analogy home because
- 11:41the distinction is night and day in practice.
- 11:44Think of a mentor as essentially a great swing
- 11:47coach in baseball. They stand on the sidelines,
- 11:51they record your swing, they tweak your grip,
- 11:53they give you the confidence to hit a fast ball,
- 11:56but no matter how good your swing is, the coach
- 11:59cannot put you in the game. Right, they don't
- 12:01have that authority. Exactly. A sponsor is the
- 12:03team owner or the general manager. The sponsor
- 12:06is the person who walks into the dugout during
- 12:08the championship and says, put them in the starting
- 12:10lineup. That is a great way to put it. And this
- 12:13raises an important question for anyone listening
- 12:15asking you to consider your own workplaces. Because
- 12:18that analogy highlights the central friction
- 12:20in corporate advancement. The author points out
- 12:23a well -documented demographic reality. Women
- 12:27and minority professionals are consistently over
- 12:30-mentored and severely under -sponsored. Meaning
- 12:33they have calendars just packed with coffee chats,
- 12:36where senior leaders tell them how to improve
- 12:38their presentation skills, but their careers
- 12:40still stagnate. Because mentorship is relatively
- 12:43cheap. It costs a senior leader maybe an hour
- 12:46of their time to give you good advice over coffee.
- 12:49But sponsorship is expensive. When a senior leader
- 12:53goes into a promotion committee meeting and pounds
- 12:55the table for a junior employee, they are spending
- 12:59their own reputation. Oh, wow. Yeah. If that
- 13:02junior employee fails, it reflects poorly on
- 13:05the sponsor. People are highly protective of
- 13:08their political capital, which is why they default
- 13:11to offering advice rather than offering an opportunity.
- 13:14A mentor tells you how to climb the next rung
- 13:16of the ladder. A sponsor literally reaches down
- 13:18and pulls you up to the floor they are standing
- 13:20on. Exactly. And the author's call to action
- 13:22is unequivocal. Leaders must be intentional about
- 13:25mentorship, yes, but they have a structural obligation
- 13:28to actively sponsor those who show promise, especially
- 13:31women in the workplace. You have to spend your
- 13:33capital on the people coming up behind you. Which
- 13:35requires leaders to identify the specific rooms
- 13:38where their voices carry weight and intentionally
- 13:40bring the names of marginalized or overlooked
- 13:42talent into those spaces. It is about acting
- 13:45as a proxy for someone else's ambition in the
- 13:48reams they don't yet have keycard access to.
- 13:50So what does this all mean? Synthesizing everything
- 13:53we've explored today from this source, from a
- 13:56mother trading childcare and mastering nine languages
- 13:58in the 1930s, to a tech executive scaling global
- 14:01software teams through a private equity buyout,
- 14:05the core truth remains remarkably consistent.
- 14:08It really does. True leadership isn't just a
- 14:10strategy of output. It is an act of care and
- 14:13structural advocacy. It is the shift from asking,
- 14:15how high can I climb? to asking, how solid is
- 14:19the infrastructure I am leaving behind? The author
- 14:21leaves us with this incredible defining metaphor.
- 14:24She asks, what floor are you building for the
- 14:26next generation? She challenges all of us to
- 14:29focus on pulling up chairs for those who are
- 14:31waiting for their opportunity to shine. It's
- 14:33beautiful imagery. It really is. If you go back
- 14:36to the latter metaphor we started with, the latter
- 14:39implies scarcity. It implies that if I win, someone
- 14:42else has to lose. You climb up. and maybe you
- 14:44kick the rungs out beneath you so no one can
- 14:46follow. But a floor... A floor is expansive.
- 14:50Yes. A floor is designed to hold a community.
- 14:53The more floorboards you lay down, the more people
- 14:55can stand beside you. It fundamentally changes
- 14:58the geometry of success, from vertical isolation
- 15:01to horizontal expansion. And that leads to a
- 15:04thought I want to leave you with, which pushes
- 15:06the author's challenge one step further. Oh,
- 15:08let's hear it. Look closely at your own career
- 15:11history. We all love to believe we climbed the
- 15:14ladder entirely on our own merit. But if you
- 15:17are currently standing on solid ground, it is
- 15:19highly likely you had an invisible sponsor along
- 15:21the way. Someone behind closed doors. Exactly.
- 15:25Someone in a room you didn't have access to spent
- 15:27their political capital to advocate for your
- 15:29promotion, your raise, or your hire. Who is that
- 15:33person for you? And more importantly, what happens
- 15:35to your structural safety net if that sponsor
- 15:37leaves the company tomorrow? Right. Relying on
- 15:40a single invisible sponsor, is precarious. The
- 15:43true mark of a healthy organizational culture
- 15:46isn't just having one benevolent leader who pulls
- 15:48people up. It is when sponsorship becomes a distributed
- 15:52institutional habit. Absolutely. So as you look
- 15:55at your calendar for next week, take inventory.
- 15:58You likely have those coffee chats scheduled
- 15:59to give advice to junior colleagues. That's mentorship.
- 16:02And you should keep them. But find the courage
- 16:05to ask yourself. in your next high stakes closed
- 16:08-door strategy meeting, whose name are you going
- 16:10to bring up when they aren't in the room? Who
- 16:13are you going to sponsor?