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Sharri | 27 October · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why On Sky News, this is.
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Speaker 2: Sharry and it's great to have you back. Andrew. Good
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Speaker 2: evening everyone tonight.
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Speaker 3: Albanezi struggles to strongly defend Australian's sovereignty against Chinese aggression.
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Speaker 3: But why is it he speaks more vehemently in defense
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Speaker 3: of Palestinians than our own brave Australian defense personnel.
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Speaker 2: My thoughts.
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Speaker 3: In a moment, Mossad reveals the mastermind behind a spate
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Speaker 3: of attacks in Australia and globally. A former MUSSAD chief
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Speaker 3: will be on the program live and Bombshell claims that
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Speaker 3: labor ministers discussed replacing Kevin Rudd as Washington ambassador just
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Speaker 3: last year. Thissus Trump says he never forgets those who
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Speaker 3: have bad things to say about him. I'll talk about
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Speaker 3: this with Ray Hadley and Bromwin Bishop. Plus the call
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Speaker 3: for tougher laws for child sex offenders in the childcare industry.
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Speaker 3: Julian Lisa will be up later First tonight, the World
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Speaker 3: leaders a meeting at Asian in Malaysia, where the threat
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Speaker 3: of China's aggressive conduct is the underlying concern, and we're
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Speaker 3: still waiting to hear more information. But two US aircraft
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Speaker 3: have crashed over the South China Sea. This is alarming
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Speaker 3: and we await more details from the United States about
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Speaker 3: the cause. But Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albinizi met with
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Speaker 3: Chinese Premier Li Chung today for their bilateral It was
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Speaker 3: their seventh meeting and it came just a week after
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Speaker 3: a dangerous incident for Australian pilots over the South China Sea.
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Speaker 4: We're told an Australian Payate Poseidon surveillance plane was yesterday
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Speaker 4: afternoon on a routine patrol in the South China Sea
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Speaker 4: when a Chinese military jet came alongside it and then
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Speaker 4: twice released flares very close to the raft plane. This
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Speaker 4: was in international airspace over inter national waters.
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Speaker 3: Albaneze said he raised this near miss incident in his
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Speaker 3: meeting with the Chinese premier today, but it doesn't sound
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Speaker 3: like his rhetoric was particularly strong.
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Speaker 1: Yes, I raised him.
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Speaker 5: He needs to call him friend.
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Speaker 6: How do you marry calling the premier league friend when
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Speaker 6: China is firing flares at Australian rap aircraft.
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Speaker 7: Well, we have disagreements and friends are able to discuss issues.
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Speaker 7: Frankly I did that directly.
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Speaker 3: The journalists continue to press him on how he can
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Speaker 3: say he trusts China when it repeatedly behaves in such
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Speaker 3: a reckless way towards our defense personnel.
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Speaker 8: You've said that Jijiping has given you no reason not
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Speaker 8: to trust him when there is an incident which is
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Speaker 8: dangerous and professional, as your government says with this flare,
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Speaker 8: is that not such a reason or doesn't make it
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Speaker 8: harder to trust?
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Speaker 7: No to a nation to nation issue which we raise
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Speaker 7: very directly.
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Speaker 2: But it's not just this.
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Speaker 3: There have been so many instances now of Chinese aggression
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Speaker 3: towards Australia. This includes Australian divers injured by sonar pulses
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Speaker 3: from a Chinese warship, and of course the live fire
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Speaker 3: weapons exercises in the Tasman Sy with no advanced warning.
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Speaker 3: Only a virgin pilot raised the alarm.
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Speaker 9: Big Crib. We've just had a warning of a Chinese
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Speaker 9: stable's hub course that they're doing a live firing exercise.
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Speaker 9: Is anyone aware of.
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Speaker 3: That this is an extremely serious issue? The repeated intimidation
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Speaker 3: by China and alban Easy seems intent on downplaying it
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Speaker 3: when China has jeopardized Australian lives on numerous occasions Now
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Speaker 3: Albin Eesy needs to do more then raise this in
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Speaker 3: the vaguest of this is our sovereignty, our values and
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Speaker 3: our safety at stake. And you think of how strongly
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Speaker 3: Albanesi speaks up for the Palestinians against Israel despite the
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Speaker 3: Jewish nation being the victim of an invasion. Well, why
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Speaker 3: can't Albanisi speak that strongly on behalf of Australia and
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Speaker 3: our very brave defense personnel. Because if he can't stand
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Speaker 3: up for our soldiers, our pilots and our sailors, he
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Speaker 3: can't stand up for our country. Our nation deserves leaders
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Speaker 3: who will never hesitate to advocate for those who put
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Speaker 3: their life on the line for us every single day.
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Speaker 3: Now it's a major breakthrough in the mastermind behind the
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Speaker 3: wave of violent crime in Sydney and Melbourne. Israel's spy
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Speaker 3: agency Mossad, has named the figure who orchestrated several terror
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Speaker 3: attacks in Australia, the firebombing of the Adas Synagogue in
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Speaker 3: Melbourne and of Lewis's Continental Kitchen in Sydney. It's a
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Speaker 3: network run by Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard called Kuds Force
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Speaker 3: and its commander Sedar Ama. Now he commands eleven thousand
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Speaker 3: operatives and has been allegedly directing covert covert operations. That's
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Speaker 3: what his unit does, the Kudz force to disguise their involvement.
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Speaker 3: Mossad said the network has recruited non Iranians and has
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Speaker 3: also used criminal gangs. And this is what we've seen
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Speaker 3: in Australia. You remember Victorian police and the AFP was
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Speaker 3: stumped to find criminals linked to the tobacco wars were
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Speaker 3: also allegedly involved in anti Semitic attacks. But this is
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Speaker 3: not just in Australia. We've seen the same pattern around
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Speaker 3: the world. In Greece, there were arson attacks against an
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Speaker 3: Israeli owned hotel and a synagogue in Athens last year,
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Speaker 3: and a man was also arrested in Germany for allegedly
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Speaker 3: planning intelligence on terror attacks on Jewish targets. And we
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Speaker 3: now learned that Iran was allegedly behind all of this
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Speaker 3: global spate of terror. Now it would have been good
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Speaker 3: had the Australian government been clear eyed about the threat
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Speaker 3: the entire time.
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Speaker 2: But remember when Penny.
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Speaker 3: Wang really struggled to outright endors the Israeli strikes against
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Speaker 3: Iran's nuclear sites. Instead, she called perhaps her favorite word,
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Speaker 3: she kept calling for de escalation.
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Speaker 6: What I would say is the key issue is not
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Speaker 6: is there a threat.
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Speaker 10: There is.
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Speaker 6: We all know that, it's whether or not in response
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Speaker 6: to it, we increase the risk of regional escalation and
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Speaker 6: that would have dire consequences to the people of the region.
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Speaker 6: So that is why Australia has said we urged the escalation,
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Speaker 6: we urge restraint, we urge dialogue and diplomacy.
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Speaker 2: She later revised that position.
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Speaker 3: But this detail today about how the wave of anti
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Speaker 3: Semitic terror in Sydney, in Melbourne and globally was partly
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Speaker 3: orchestrated by Iran is important. It's proof that Israel's enemies
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Speaker 3: don't only want to destroy the Jewish state, but they
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Speaker 3: have their sites on the West too. It's proof that
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Speaker 3: Israel is fighting terror on behalf of the West. That's
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Speaker 3: the war it's been raging for two years now and
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Speaker 3: why it always deserved full international support. Yet Albaneazy Steel
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Speaker 3: seems to be struggling with a bad case.
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Speaker 2: Of moral confusion.
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Speaker 9: Now.
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Speaker 3: He was spotted wearing this Joy Division It's a band
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Speaker 3: t shirt when he disembarked his VIP plane on Thursday
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Speaker 3: after jetting in.
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Speaker 2: From the White House.
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Speaker 3: Now quickly reports circulated about the meaning of this band
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Speaker 3: name and why the Prime Minister would wear this controversial
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Speaker 3: T shirt. Now, the band Joy Division took its name
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Speaker 3: from a wing of a Nazi concentration camp where women
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Speaker 3: were sex slaves.
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Speaker 2: It was where female Jews.
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Speaker 3: Were forced into prostitution for the Nazis, and the Nazis
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Speaker 3: called this wing the Joy Division self explanatory, and that's
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Speaker 3: what the band confirmed they named it after.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 3: I personally gave Albanezi the benefit of the doubt. I
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Speaker 3: thought he couldn't possibly know this. He just likes the
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Speaker 3: band and he's trying to present a cool punter image,
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Speaker 3: you know, DJ Elbow. But then journalist Steve Jackson in
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Speaker 3: The Australian's Media Diary Today revealed that Albanezy actually did.
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Speaker 2: Know the meaning of the band's name.
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Speaker 3: Former Leo Burnette Australia chair Nigel Marsh told him the
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Speaker 3: meaning in some detail on his podcast in April twenty
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Speaker 3: twenty two. Now, Albanize recorded that podcast while he was
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Speaker 3: campaigning to be Prime Minister. He became PM the very
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Speaker 3: next month. We happened to have a copy of their
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Speaker 3: conversation have a listen.
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Speaker 11: In nineteen fifty five, a Holocaust survivor wrote a book
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Speaker 11: called The House of Dolls, and it's about, you know,
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Speaker 11: unfortunately the truth of the Germans. In the concentration camps
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Speaker 11: had divisions of women who were forced into enslaved prostitution
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Speaker 11: for the ESSs and that they were called joy divisions.
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Speaker 10: Oh my god.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, and so that's where they got their name from.
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Speaker 11: And I mean I didn't know that for years.
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Speaker 1: Well I wish I didn't.
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Speaker 10: Well, I'm so sorry to tell, but the thing very dark.
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Speaker 7: Everything about the band was so dark.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, and obviously they were just trying to choose them
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Speaker 11: as shocking name they can. I'm sorry, sorry for giving
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Speaker 11: you that piece of dark background.
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Speaker 7: You should edit that out of the podcast just for
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Speaker 7: the sake of the listeners so that they can continue
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Speaker 7: to enjoy it.
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Speaker 12: But that was so dark.
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Speaker 3: Edit out history to make your life easier. That's the
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Speaker 3: view of this Prime minister. So yes, he was told,
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Speaker 3: and that was the proof that he did know what
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Speaker 3: the band name met. Now this blows my mind. Like
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Speaker 3: I said, I was giving him the benefit of the doubt,
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Speaker 3: assuming he didn't know the meaning of the name, but
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Speaker 3: he did and he still chose to wear the T
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Speaker 3: shirt when Andy Semitism is raging under his watch and
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Speaker 3: when he refuses to implement Julian Siegel's recommendations. Now in
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Speaker 3: the Australian, Steve Jackson wrights the wisdom of wearing a
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Speaker 3: Joy Division T shirt, given its symbolic reference to the
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Speaker 3: abhorrent war crimes committed against Jewish women, is beyond strange,
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Speaker 3: considering the last living Jewish hostages had only just been
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Speaker 3: released by Hamas. It's difficult to believe the Prime Minister
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Speaker 3: would choose to wear this T shirt given he knows
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Speaker 3: the meaning of the name. Anti Semites will see him
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Speaker 3: wearing that T shirt after such an important trip and
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Speaker 3: take it as a very public message of endorsement, especially
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Speaker 3: given he's refusing to act on antisemitism. Albanese's lack of
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Speaker 3: moral fiber, his lack of empathy, his inhumanity is truly astonishing.
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Speaker 3: Now for more on Mossad's incredible revelations, I'm joined now
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Speaker 3: by former Mossad Division head Rummy Eager, Rummy, great to.
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Speaker 2: See you again.
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Speaker 3: Look what can you tell yes, what can you tell
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Speaker 3: us about how Iranian cells like this that have orchestrated
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Speaker 3: attacks around the world.
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Speaker 2: How they operate.
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Speaker 13: Let's go back to the history of espionage, because it
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Speaker 13: starts there. Once upon a time when we recruited agents,
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Speaker 13: they were primarily to deliver information. We recruited agents because
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Speaker 13: we needed people next to the top. So it can
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Speaker 13: tell us what's between the years of the leader opposing country.
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Speaker 13: Things have changed since an. Espionage has moved from the
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Speaker 13: cities and the coffeehouses into the Internet. And what Iran
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Speaker 13: has been doing, and not only Iran, everybody has been
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Speaker 13: doing this is trying to recruit over the world people
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Speaker 13: not for informational reasons, but for operational reasons.
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Speaker 1: They're doing this in Israel, They're doing this all over
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Speaker 1: the world. I can tell you that I have.
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Speaker 13: Been approached by theveral times trying to get me to
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Speaker 13: change my mind to.
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Speaker 2: Defect, to defect to Iran from Israel.
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Speaker 13: No, no, no, no, lot to the factor Iran, but
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Speaker 13: to work for Iran under fauld pretext of course. So
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Speaker 13: what they do is they appear on the interview people
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Speaker 13: that are likely to accept their offers. Their offers are
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Speaker 13: not really primarily espionage acted to operational Iranian targets. What
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Speaker 13: they are are seemingly in innocent approaches which slowly develop
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Speaker 13: into different kinds of approaches. And the first approach is like,
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Speaker 13: we'll give you a lot of money if you put
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Speaker 13: a picture or put a poster of this kind somewhere,
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Speaker 13: we'll give you more money. Photograph of a coffeehouse that
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Speaker 13: belongs to Jews. You'll give us a little more money
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Speaker 13: if you try to bury some money on the corner
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Speaker 13: of the streets, et cetera, et cetera. At the end
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Speaker 13: of the day it comes to an operation of burning
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Speaker 13: synagogues and burning coffeehouses and so on. Said, you can
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Speaker 13: are of all kinds of dessenses if you've seen, but
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Speaker 13: they're not Iranian, they're Afghani, they're immigrants.
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Speaker 1: They're mostly poor people.
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Speaker 13: By the way, the same in Iran and Iran. It's
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Speaker 13: also easier because Iran is poor and it's easier to
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Speaker 13: recruit people for less money and then bigger numbers. And
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Speaker 13: as if you've seen in Israel in Iran during the
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Speaker 13: last war with Iran, and what you've seen really in
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Speaker 13: Australia is that Iranians have done the same. These people
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Speaker 13: are not connected one to another, they are only connected
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Speaker 13: to the people in Tehran. They invite them to meetings
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Speaker 13: where they teach them how to do things which are
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Speaker 13: more complicated, fortunately for the world. Uran not very sophisticated
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Speaker 13: and not very professional. If you want, I'll give you
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Speaker 13: one of my story about myself so you understand how
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Speaker 13: improfessional they are. They approached me in the name of
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Speaker 13: Harvard School of Government in order to write a book
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Speaker 13: together with them, ahead of the Harvard School of the Government.
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Speaker 13: Imagine you being approached by Her name is Megan, I
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Speaker 13: forgot she used to be. She used to be the
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Speaker 13: security advisor for the for for the President Bush. She
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Speaker 13: approaches me seemingly and asked me to join her in
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Speaker 13: writing a book. Now you would be you would see
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Speaker 13: this as a compliment.
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Speaker 1: So did I.
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Speaker 13: But very soon and because they're very not professional, it
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Speaker 13: was it was. It was evident that this was just Iranian.
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Speaker 13: First of all, the woman that was supposed to talk
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Speaker 13: to me on zoom did not want to appear. Second
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Speaker 13: of all, she was definitely not American. She had an
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Speaker 13: Indian accent, which is urine. And thought of all, she
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Speaker 13: got her time time she told me at eight o'clock
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Speaker 13: in the morning, Boxton telling me that she's already had
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Speaker 13: several meetings this morning. Anyone knows that Americans don't start
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Speaker 13: working before nine o'clock unless somebody pushes them out a bit.
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Speaker 13: So at the end of the day was evident, and
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Speaker 13: it was evident, and I told her joined me, why
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Speaker 13: should I join you?
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Speaker 3: And Rami, just just to pick up on that point,
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Speaker 3: we have seen some of these attempts were very unprofessional
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Speaker 3: and amateurish in Australia. You know, for example, in Sydney
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Speaker 3: the wrong Lewis's restaurant was a satellite or you know,
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Speaker 3: attempts at arson attacks and fire bombs, bombings twice before
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Speaker 3: they got their intended target, which is the Kosher Jewish
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Speaker 3: Missus Lewis's in Bondi.
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Speaker 2: So I completely take your point. Rami.
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Speaker 3: Great to have you on the show and really appreciate
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Speaker 3: your insight into how around operates.
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Speaker 2: Thank you very much much.
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Speaker 3: Let's bring it our Monday panel, our Farmer, Speaker of
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Speaker 3: the House, Broman Bishop and Stines's host Joe Hildebrand, and
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Speaker 3: let's return to Albanese's meeting with Chinese Premier Lee today
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Speaker 3: and Brumman, like I mentioned a bit earlier, look, Albanese
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Speaker 3: insisted he did confront Premier Lee about the incident last week,
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Speaker 3: but gosh, his language didn't sound.
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Speaker 2: Like he was too upset about it.
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Speaker 10: I think he got out of the wet letters. And seriously,
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Speaker 10: we are in such a vulnerable position. He's just had
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Speaker 10: a very successful meeting in the United States, but here
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Speaker 10: we are still captive to China our trade. We are
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Speaker 10: so dependent on China that we have a government that
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Speaker 10: makes excuses for China's behavior every turn. There is no
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Speaker 10: strong stance taken at all. There is no attempt to
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Speaker 10: diversify our trade to give us a stronger position.
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Speaker 2: He goes off to Malaysia and talks to.
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Speaker 10: Arsian about what he sees as a trading relationship, what
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Speaker 10: he sees Australia should be doing. But in fact, here
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Speaker 10: we are putting our serving personnel at risk. Our serving
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Speaker 10: personnel's lives are being put at risk by the behavior
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Speaker 10: of the Chinese Communist Party, and we get nothing from
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Speaker 10: the Prime Minister. There is no stance either from him,
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Speaker 10: the Foreign Minister, the Deputy Prime minister. It's all like
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Speaker 10: nothing to see here. Everything's okay to say where friends
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Speaker 10: and friends have differences when you are actually trying to
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Speaker 10: put lives at risk of the serving personnel of our
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Speaker 10: country is an oxymoron.
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Speaker 1: Joe.
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Speaker 2: President Trump has landed in Tokyo.
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Speaker 3: Here, we'll meet with Chinese President Shijinping in South Korea
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Speaker 3: on Thursday.
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Speaker 2: That is going to be a crucial It's going to
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Speaker 2: be amazing amid the tariff war.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an interesting way.
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Speaker 14: I mean, obviously the speculation is that Ji will back
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Speaker 14: down on planned by China to put more restrictions on
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Speaker 14: the Chinese rare earth and critical minerals export market, which
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Speaker 14: of course was a huge factor in Donald Trump signing
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Speaker 14: the Big Orchest deal and the rarest and minerals deal
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Speaker 14: with Australia because if that Chinese market dries up or
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Speaker 14: if the wall comes down, then suddenly they have to
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Speaker 14: get them from somewhere else and we've got them as well.
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Speaker 14: So that's fantastic news. But just the fact that that
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Speaker 14: Trump is talking, you know, China's doing this to avoid
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Speaker 14: an extra one hundred percent tariff increase. I mean, these
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Speaker 14: are just sort of crazy figures that would never have
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Speaker 14: been talked about before, and that was going to come
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Speaker 14: in I think in just a few days on November one.
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Speaker 14: Just shows I think how volatile the international environment is
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Speaker 14: at the moment, but also how well Australia has got off,
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Speaker 14: like we are still at that lowest ten percent ten
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Speaker 14: percent of tariffs we shouldn't have because as the PM
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Speaker 14: is going to say to Asia and you know, we
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Speaker 14: believe in free trade, but it does I think, just
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Speaker 14: underscore how close our relationlationship with the US remains, thank god,
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Speaker 14: and how successful that deal last week.
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Speaker 2: Was also an indication of the fact that we do
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Speaker 2: have a trade surplus.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, exactly right, that's why we want free tride. We've
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Speaker 14: got a trade service of thirty to forty billion dollars.
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Speaker 14: What's more important is.
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Speaker 10: The fact that Australia has been called the largest aircraft
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Speaker 10: carrier in the Southern region. I mean geographically.
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Speaker 5: We are very.
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Speaker 10: Important to the United States for the basis we have
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Speaker 10: here for all sorts of things that I could tell you,
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Speaker 10: but I'd have to shoot you first. Things that I
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Speaker 10: remember from the time I was in defense and can
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Speaker 10: never speak about, but that that dependency is very real
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Speaker 10: and it is much higher than whoever holds the office
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Speaker 10: of Prime Minister at the time. I mean, I find
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Speaker 10: the Nature Positive renamed Nature Positive, Bill being reintroduced now
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Speaker 10: and the pressure being put on must be passed, must
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Speaker 10: be passed when it will do nothing but in peed
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Speaker 10: beinging those minerals on stream.
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Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean this is it's crazy stuff. There
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Speaker 2: has not been enough discussion about this.
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Speaker 3: I mean, we all support the critical minerals deal with
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Speaker 3: the US, but how does that sit with Albanese's own policy.
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Speaker 10: It doesn't on mining, It doesn't. It just doesn't sit
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Speaker 10: at all well. And I think all the criticism that's
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Speaker 10: come from business about I don't know what they're renaming
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Speaker 10: the bill. It was plebus nature positive bill and the
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Speaker 10: only difference seems to be that the Minister will maintain
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Speaker 10: final say, but it's still putting all these other mechanisms
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Speaker 10: in play, which I think Sarah Susan McDonald put it
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Speaker 10: very well when she said the average time to bring
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Speaker 10: a mine online from the time of discovery of the
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Speaker 10: ore to production is sixteen years, and there's nothing in
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Speaker 10: this bill that is going to shorten that time. So
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Speaker 10: the whole area needs to have a thorough investigation, a
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Speaker 10: thorough inquiry into it to make sure that when we
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Speaker 10: say we're going to get rid of red, black and
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Speaker 10: green tape, we mean it and not just dress it
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Speaker 10: up as something else, because the states still have sovereign
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Speaker 10: rights in this matter, and the federal government basically is
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Speaker 10: relying on treaty making power to get into the.
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Speaker 1: Act the government.
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Speaker 14: The minister is not going to sabotage the government's own deal.
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Speaker 10: Bringing that billion will sabotage it, Joe.
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Speaker 1: You can defend it all you like.
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Speaker 10: It's in the process, right, but.
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Speaker 14: The minister is not going to use any veto powers
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Speaker 14: or use any of those powers to.
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Speaker 5: Stop It's only part of the problem.
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Speaker 10: There's a whole new bureaucracy being built in there, the
22:39
Speaker 10: whole new You cannot say it'll all be all right,
22:43
Speaker 10: trust me because I'm a nice bloke. Doesn't work that way.
22:46
Speaker 14: The minister gets desired.
22:47
Speaker 2: Well, that's legislation.
22:53
Speaker 3: Well, let's turn to this big story today in the US,
22:57
Speaker 3: A British commentator, Sammy Hamdi, has been detained at San
23:01
Speaker 3: Francisco Airport. He was meant to be speaking across the country.
23:04
Speaker 3: He's in ice custody pending removal.
23:08
Speaker 2: That's the reports.
23:09
Speaker 3: Now, this hate preacher has a despicable record. Just ten
23:13
Speaker 3: days after October seven, he implored an audience to celebrate
23:16
Speaker 3: the victory.
23:18
Speaker 2: Now, last year, he actually came to Australia and.
23:20
Speaker 3: He addressed a pro Palestinian encampment at the University of Sydney,
23:24
Speaker 3: where he told the crowd that Israel was a rabid
23:27
Speaker 3: Zionist project and wants to eradicate Palestine. And so this
23:31
Speaker 3: person who came to Australia last year has just been detained.
23:35
Speaker 2: In the United States.
23:36
Speaker 3: Joe, This is a worry, isn't it When the US
23:39
Speaker 3: are treating this so seriously but he's already spoken to
23:41
Speaker 3: Australian Union students.
23:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's right.
23:43
Speaker 14: I mean, I wouldn't have thought he would have passed
23:44
Speaker 14: the character test to come here. I wouldn't have thought
23:46
Speaker 14: he'd passed the character test to come into the US.
23:48
Speaker 14: I'm surprised they led him into the country.
23:50
Speaker 2: But they've detained him obviously.
23:52
Speaker 14: Now they've detained him and they're going to deport him.
23:53
Speaker 1: That's right.
23:53
Speaker 14: But as you say, he'd already said these things prior
23:56
Speaker 14: to coming to the US, So I'm surprised you got
23:59
Speaker 14: pasted their security vetting process, to be honest. But yeah, look,
24:02
Speaker 14: people do not you know. You can say free speech
24:04
Speaker 14: all you like, but you do not have the right
24:07
Speaker 14: to go wherever you want to go and say it
24:10
Speaker 14: because countries still maintain sovereign borders, and as John Howard said,
24:14
Speaker 14: they can decide who comes to their country in the
24:15
Speaker 14: circumstances in which they come.
24:18
Speaker 10: Quick finess from it, if I can just say, I
24:20
Speaker 10: get very angry about people with no using a tradition
24:25
Speaker 10: that has no right to freedom of speech being used
24:28
Speaker 10: against the very culture which holds it. Dear. It is
24:32
Speaker 10: a Western concept, what an excellent an And the point
24:35
Speaker 10: is it is used and weaponized against us when we
24:38
Speaker 10: have to stand up for our values and why we
24:41
Speaker 10: have it and call them out.
24:44
Speaker 2: That is such a good point.
24:46
Speaker 3: And I haven't heard anyone else make that. You know,
24:48
Speaker 3: her musters not support free speech. They are executing Palestinians.
24:52
Speaker 10: You disagree with them, yes, But yet it is we
24:55
Speaker 10: are seeing a clash of civilizations, as preferre so Huntington
25:01
Speaker 10: wrote all those years ago in predicting it, when the
25:03
Speaker 10: wall came.
25:04
Speaker 3: Down, very wise, tonight browin you'd go to see you,
25:08
Speaker 3: good to see you, very much wise as well.
25:10
Speaker 2: Even if we don't always agree.
25:13
Speaker 3: All right, Well, let's turn out to Europe, because there's
25:19
Speaker 3: been a few big stories. Overnight, the Louver heist, as
25:22
Speaker 3: you recall, made global headlines one hundred and fifty seven
25:25
Speaker 3: million dollars in Crown jewels stolen and now in the
25:29
Speaker 3: latest development, there have been two arrests that overnight and
25:33
Speaker 3: joining us now from London is Tom Slater, Spiked Online
25:36
Speaker 3: editor Tom, Great to see you again. So what do
25:39
Speaker 3: we know about the two who've been arrested and if
25:42
Speaker 3: they are part of a wider network.
25:46
Speaker 1: Well, so far the details are a little bit thin
25:48
Speaker 1: on the ground.
25:48
Speaker 12: It seems like the Threnchial forties are actually furious that
25:51
Speaker 12: what little information has made it owing to the press
25:53
Speaker 12: has made it out there because the investigation is still ongoing.
25:56
Speaker 12: But we know that these two individuals have been arrested,
25:59
Speaker 12: one of them was in the process of trying to
26:01
Speaker 12: flee to Algeria. But the fact that the case is
26:04
Speaker 12: still ongoing, the fact that the police are particularly touchy
26:08
Speaker 12: about information getting out there, would suggest that a kind
26:10
Speaker 12: of broader network beyond those two were involved in this heist, which,
26:14
Speaker 12: whilst it's shot the world because of seemingly how relatively
26:18
Speaker 12: straightforward it was for them to get into what surely
26:20
Speaker 12: should be one of the most secure cultural institutions in
26:23
Speaker 12: the world. Maybe that indicates a level of planning and
26:25
Speaker 12: sophistication that would go beyond just two people.
26:29
Speaker 2: In this particular in and still no sign of the jewels,
26:33
Speaker 2: not so far.
26:34
Speaker 12: But again, I think this is something that we'll learn
26:36
Speaker 12: in the days and hours coming forth, because the idea
26:39
Speaker 12: that they could have been completely kind of lost to them,
26:41
Speaker 12: even though these two apprehended relatively quickly, would beg a belief.
26:44
Speaker 12: But this story has already begged belief on so many
26:47
Speaker 12: different levels, given how anyone managed to pull this off in.
26:49
Speaker 1: The first place.
26:50
Speaker 3: Yeah, and already George Clooney's kind of spoken about maybe
26:53
Speaker 3: being in a movie for it, turning it into a film.
26:56
Speaker 2: Now I want to ask you about this. This is fascinating.
26:58
Speaker 3: The daughter a Farmer Prime Minister Paul Keating, Catherine Keating,
27:03
Speaker 3: has spoken to The Sunday Mail in the UK about
27:07
Speaker 3: a New York City dinner that she attended fourteen years
27:10
Speaker 3: ago with convicted serial sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. Of course,
27:13
Speaker 3: he wasn't an offender at the time. The Mail on
27:16
Speaker 3: Sunday revealed that Epstein asked Prince Andrew over email in
27:20
Speaker 3: twenty eleven to invite Katherine Keating to the dinner, so
27:25
Speaker 3: she confirmed her attendance. She told The Mail on Sunday
27:27
Speaker 3: that she did attend a February dinner at Andrew's invitation.
27:31
Speaker 3: It was a large social event, she says, A sizeable
27:34
Speaker 3: chunk of New York society was there, including Barbara Walters,
27:37
Speaker 3: Charlie Rose, and Katie Couric. Now, of course we're not
27:41
Speaker 3: you know, it must be stressed. Miss Keating did not
27:43
Speaker 3: engage in She wasn't aware of Epstein's illegal conduct.
27:46
Speaker 2: There's no suggestion of that.
27:48
Speaker 3: But Tom, you know, this US Congress investigation into the
27:51
Speaker 3: Epstein files, along with the memoir, it just it's getting
27:56
Speaker 3: more complex.
27:56
Speaker 2: By the day.
27:59
Speaker 12: Absolutely of people from kind of western high society across
28:03
Speaker 12: the world are going to be implicated in it. I
28:05
Speaker 12: think this story is a reminder that because Epstein managed
28:08
Speaker 12: to kind of worm his way into so many different
28:10
Speaker 12: social circles, leveraging his contacts like Prince Andrew to invite
28:14
Speaker 12: people like Keating to these dinners, that we're just going
28:17
Speaker 12: to be having story after story like this. As you say,
28:20
Speaker 12: it's important not to just tar people by association.
28:24
Speaker 1: I mean, this was Epstein's mo o.
28:26
Speaker 12: He wanted to get in with people who were well connected,
28:29
Speaker 12: who were socialites, people he might be useful to him
28:32
Speaker 12: or could help him kind of continue to build up
28:34
Speaker 12: his network. It's not to say that any of them
28:36
Speaker 12: were aware, let alone involved in what was going on.
28:39
Speaker 12: I think probably maybe this is just me being a
28:41
Speaker 12: bit British focused, but it continues to ask bigger questions
28:44
Speaker 12: of Prince Andrew, who made the connections here, who was
28:47
Speaker 12: famously photographed kind of waving to Keating out of Epstein's
28:51
Speaker 12: New York mansion, and just adding to the sense that
28:54
Speaker 12: when he said in a big interview a few years
28:56
Speaker 12: ago over here that he'd cut off ties with Epstein
29:00
Speaker 12: twenty and eleven, that he clearly was not being entirely
29:04
Speaker 12: truthful with how close their relationship had been even at
29:07
Speaker 12: that point.
29:09
Speaker 3: And just on that point about Prince Andrew, now British
29:11
Speaker 3: MPs are considering emotion to strip him of royal titles.
29:15
Speaker 3: He could even face a parliamentary debate over his conduct.
29:20
Speaker 12: Yes, so this story really isn't going away.
29:23
Speaker 1: There is talk now of this vote in the Commons.
29:25
Speaker 12: It wouldn't be binding necessarily, it would be an opportunity
29:28
Speaker 12: for MPs to effectively express a collective view, and also
29:32
Speaker 12: being in Parliament it would free them up to say
29:34
Speaker 12: things that they might struggle to say elsewhere without placing
29:37
Speaker 12: certain repercussions. It seems like for now the government is
29:41
Speaker 12: just taking the lead from the Palace. There could be
29:43
Speaker 12: a situation in which the King would indicate that he
29:46
Speaker 12: would like Parliament to legislate to formally strip Andrew of
29:50
Speaker 12: his titles. He said he won't use them, but they're
29:51
Speaker 12: still necessarily There hasn't been that formal process, But I
29:55
Speaker 12: think it's just another reminder that this story isn't going away.
29:57
Speaker 12: And whilst it seems like for understandable reasons, the Palace
30:00
Speaker 12: want to go a little bit slowly in terms of
30:02
Speaker 12: how they deal with this public opinion and the kind
30:05
Speaker 12: of media frenzies getting a little bit ahead of that process.
30:08
Speaker 3: Yeah, still a lot more to come as more information surfaces.
30:11
Speaker 3: Tom really appreciate your time.
30:13
Speaker 2: Thank you now.
30:14
Speaker 3: After the break, Bombshell claims that labor ministers discussed replacing
30:19
Speaker 3: Kevin Rudd as our ambassador in Washington just last year,
30:23
Speaker 3: and why Australia has become a dumping ground for cheap
30:27
Speaker 3: Chinese goods. Radio legend Ray Hadley would join me live.
30:36
Speaker 3: Welcome back in radio Legend, Ray Hadley joins me now Ray.
30:39
Speaker 1: Good to see you, Cherry lovely to be with you.
30:41
Speaker 5: So there's huge.
30:42
Speaker 3: Concern about these Chinese, cheap Chinese companies like Timu and Shine.
30:47
Speaker 2: And by the way, I have never ordered a thing
30:50
Speaker 2: from either of them.
30:51
Speaker 3: I completely support Australian retail. But there's estimates that up
30:54
Speaker 3: to three billion dollars of being spent on each of
30:57
Speaker 3: those companies each year.
31:00
Speaker 2: And the issue is at Australia.
31:02
Speaker 3: Because of the US tariffs, it's expensive for China to
31:04
Speaker 3: import to America, so Australia has become a dumping ground
31:08
Speaker 3: for these very cheap Chinese companies. Now we've seen these
31:11
Speaker 3: campaigns and the news papers today to buy Australian products,
31:17
Speaker 3: and a lot of big names backing this campaign. Very
31:20
Speaker 3: hard ask though without legislative changes.
31:25
Speaker 15: I did a piece of the Daily Telegraph supporting Years Corp.
31:28
Speaker 15: For supporting the idea of getting manufacturing back. But we've
31:33
Speaker 15: got a big problem because there's only so much of
31:36
Speaker 15: a disposable income that people have and if they can
31:40
Speaker 15: buy something cheaper of a similar quality, not the sort
31:43
Speaker 15: of rubbishy stuff you're talking about through these various international retailers.
31:49
Speaker 1: Well they're going to go that way. So I've suggested this.
31:51
Speaker 15: We can't compete with China, say on labor costs, but
31:55
Speaker 15: we can compete on energy. If we get real of
32:01
Speaker 15: this notion that everything has to be renewable and rely
32:04
Speaker 15: on base load power, well maybe that'll kickstart manufacturing. But
32:10
Speaker 15: I'm at pains not to blame Anthony alban Easy, although
32:12
Speaker 15: I like to blame him for a lot of things.
32:14
Speaker 15: This is a conger line of liberal and labor governments
32:18
Speaker 15: that have turned manufacturing on its head in Australia, and
32:22
Speaker 15: just people out there would understand this. In the nineteen
32:26
Speaker 15: sixties of school now, at the start of every school year,
32:29
Speaker 15: mums and dads take the kids off to get school shoes.
32:32
Speaker 15: Back in the sixties, you bought Australian made school shoes.
32:35
Speaker 15: There was a factory at Hassel Street Paramount. My mum
32:38
Speaker 15: would take myself and my sister to get the shoes
32:40
Speaker 15: manufactured in that factory and they'd have a factory outlet
32:44
Speaker 15: you go.
32:44
Speaker 1: And buy it.
32:45
Speaker 15: We now import one hundred and ten million pairs of
32:48
Speaker 15: adult and children's shoes. You're flat out finding a shoe
32:52
Speaker 15: in a retail setting that's made in Australia.
32:55
Speaker 1: And that's just shoes. You look at clothing, you look
32:59
Speaker 1: at applying, you look at a whole range of things.
33:02
Speaker 15: And to turn this around as the Prime Minister, he says,
33:05
Speaker 15: I want to be the person to lead manufacturing back.
33:09
Speaker 1: Well, you're going to have a tough job. I don't
33:12
Speaker 1: know how you're going to leave the back.
33:13
Speaker 15: And I commend Katie Page from Harvey Norman and Twiggy
33:17
Speaker 15: Forrest and Dick Smith for joining News saying we've got
33:21
Speaker 15: to do it.
33:22
Speaker 1: But how do you.
33:23
Speaker 15: Convinced people to buy Australian made if you can't buy
33:27
Speaker 15: the comparable price. And while ever our wage structure which
33:30
Speaker 15: won't be changing, but our energy structure is the way
33:33
Speaker 15: it is.
33:33
Speaker 1: We can't buy the comparable price. It's impossible.
33:36
Speaker 3: And by the way, this is what Trump's done, of course,
33:38
Speaker 3: is trying to return manufacturing to America.
33:40
Speaker 2: That was his whole campaign platform. But Ray, I see
33:43
Speaker 2: it in terms of two issues.
33:45
Speaker 3: One is manufacturing the goods in Australia versus Australian retailers
33:53
Speaker 3: making their.
33:53
Speaker 2: Clothes or products offshore.
33:55
Speaker 3: And the other issue is these sites like Timu and Sheen,
34:00
Speaker 3: which are taking so much, you know, a five percent
34:03
Speaker 3: share of the Australian retail dollar that it's actually impacting
34:07
Speaker 3: on jobs for Australian retailers. Now, I think there are
34:11
Speaker 3: two things the Albanese government could do. You know, you
34:13
Speaker 3: don't have to blame them, but here are the two
34:15
Speaker 3: things I think they could do. They could have a
34:18
Speaker 3: quota of how much imported products come in from Timu
34:21
Speaker 3: and Shane how do you say it? And secondly, they
34:24
Speaker 3: could have an import tax or at tax against dumping
34:28
Speaker 3: because this product is being dumped in Australia because it
34:31
Speaker 3: costs them so much money now to import it to America.
34:34
Speaker 1: There's a problem with all of that.
34:35
Speaker 15: Very well thought out, but he's terrified of the Chinese, exactly.
34:39
Speaker 1: He's terrified of the Chinese.
34:40
Speaker 15: I'll just give you an example about say, building products,
34:45
Speaker 15: because many many building products are now imported from overseas.
34:49
Speaker 15: There's a fantastic aliminium smelter at a place called Tommogo
34:52
Speaker 15: north of Newcastle, just up near Raymond Terrace. They produce
34:57
Speaker 15: thirty seven percent of high grade aluminium for Australia and
35:01
Speaker 15: they're competing with really cheap and inferior aluminium from China
35:05
Speaker 15: and other parts.
35:06
Speaker 1: Of the world.
35:07
Speaker 15: Now Tomogo rely on a thousand people who work there
35:12
Speaker 15: and twenty four hour, twenty four hour every day of
35:17
Speaker 15: the year, guaranteed power, guaranteed power.
35:21
Speaker 1: Now.
35:21
Speaker 15: I used to talk about this all the time on radio,
35:23
Speaker 15: and the then manage director said to me one day
35:26
Speaker 15: there was a big hullabaloo about batteries in South Australia. Yeah,
35:28
Speaker 15: I remember, and he said, Ray, if we had the
35:31
Speaker 15: batteries near Tomago, how long do you reckon they'd run
35:34
Speaker 15: the plant?
35:35
Speaker 1: And I said, oh, probably twelve forty hours. Eight minutes, wow,
35:40
Speaker 1: eight minutes it would run the Tomogo smelt.
35:42
Speaker 15: And now Tomago is a great company, but they might
35:46
Speaker 15: in the end say this is all getting too hard.
35:48
Speaker 15: Let's go and do it somewhere else, cheaper labor, cheaper energy,
35:53
Speaker 15: bigger margins and.
35:54
Speaker 1: Still the same great product and bring it back here.
35:57
Speaker 1: But I mean, and building products that are the same.
36:00
Speaker 15: In our building costs have increased thirty five forty percent
36:02
Speaker 15: in the last four or five years, and a lot
36:04
Speaker 15: of it's important stuff we've got no control over.
36:06
Speaker 1: The pricing of it.
36:08
Speaker 15: And I don't know how you unscrambled the omelet because
36:11
Speaker 15: this started decades ago. It didn't start last year or
36:14
Speaker 15: the year before. People say, oh COVID, it happened. It
36:16
Speaker 15: didn't happen during COVID. Our manufacturing industry was in strife ten, fifteen,
36:22
Speaker 15: twenty thirty years ago, and no one's the only think
36:24
Speaker 15: to repair it.
36:25
Speaker 3: And the answer isn't giving more taxpay funded subsidies. It's
36:28
Speaker 3: making the environment, the regulatory environment, the power prices are
36:33
Speaker 3: the environmental laws making all of that easy for business.
36:36
Speaker 1: It's one hundred dollars.
36:37
Speaker 15: If we spend each one hundred dollars, you, me and
36:39
Speaker 15: all the people watching will generate sixteen billion dollars. If
36:42
Speaker 15: you buy one hundred dollars worth of Australian made.
36:44
Speaker 2: Products or just Australian retailers.
36:47
Speaker 15: Well yes, but if you want to kickstart, because the
36:50
Speaker 15: retailers will sell important products anyway, so it has to
36:54
Speaker 15: be discernible as Australian made, not Australian imported by an
36:59
Speaker 15: Australian company.
37:00
Speaker 2: Lame consumers here.
37:01
Speaker 3: I think families are doing it so tough that if
37:03
Speaker 3: they can get very cheap products from these Chinese sites.
37:06
Speaker 3: Having said I do not do it, but if you can,
37:09
Speaker 3: then of course families are going to do it. So
37:10
Speaker 3: I think it's up to the Albanezy government to have
37:13
Speaker 3: things like the dumping tax and the quotas.
37:16
Speaker 15: They just think that's something very funny, you know how
37:18
Speaker 15: you don't do it. My wife went to a site
37:21
Speaker 15: in the last six months, and she's over seas at
37:23
Speaker 15: the moment, so I.
37:24
Speaker 1: Can tell the story. I won't get her trouble.
37:25
Speaker 15: She bought a dress from a place called Byron Bay
37:29
Speaker 15: Trading now Byron Bay.
37:31
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful place on the far North coast of
37:32
Speaker 1: New South Wales.
37:34
Speaker 15: It arrived that looked like a corn sack and when
37:36
Speaker 15: she complained, it comes from Shanghai or somewhere in China,
37:40
Speaker 15: but they use these images of lovely and beautiful women
37:44
Speaker 15: on the far North coast. It had nothing but with
37:46
Speaker 15: Byron Bay anyway, she was persistent. Finally got a refund.
37:51
Speaker 3: Well, good on her to fight for it and get
37:54
Speaker 3: the refund. Yeah, sent it back to Barron Bay in Shanghai.
37:59
Speaker 3: Grat to see as always, Thank you so.
38:01
Speaker 1: Much, love you to talk to you, bob bye.
38:03
Speaker 3: All right, Still to come another day of question surrounding
38:07
Speaker 3: Barnaby Joyce or does he have an actual plan? Plus
38:11
Speaker 3: Julian and Lisa demands tougher laws for child sex offenders
38:14
Speaker 3: with the problem.
38:15
Speaker 2: Plaguing the industry.
38:17
Speaker 3: He's on live from Canbra after the break, Welcome back. Well,
38:24
Speaker 3: Labour's plan to do a deal with the Coalition on
38:27
Speaker 3: environmental laws looks less likely after they knocked back a
38:32
Speaker 3: request to split the bill. In joining me now his
38:34
Speaker 3: shadow Education Minister Julian Lisa, Live from Canberra. Julian, can
38:38
Speaker 3: you explain to ourvi is what Labour's trying to achieve
38:41
Speaker 3: with these laws and what your concerns are with them.
38:47
Speaker 16: Well, Sharry, we all want better environmental protection laws in
38:50
Speaker 16: our country and we want to ensure that we have
38:53
Speaker 16: laws that ensure that our economy is productive. And these
38:56
Speaker 16: laws were going to create a larger bureaucracy and it
38:59
Speaker 16: was going to be harder to get approvals through and
39:02
Speaker 16: it was going to make Australia uncompetitive. So what we've
39:05
Speaker 16: suggested to the government that they do is that they
39:08
Speaker 16: split the bill and they split it and deal with
39:11
Speaker 16: the uncontentious matters that would help streamline processes and ensure
39:16
Speaker 16: that given the Prime Minister and the President of the
39:19
Speaker 16: United States had a deal about critical minerals in the
39:21
Speaker 16: last few weeks, so we can actually get those critical
39:24
Speaker 16: mineral projects approved. It's very important that we deal with
39:27
Speaker 16: the streamlining and that we leave the contentious matters, those
39:31
Speaker 16: things that are very difficult to further debate and discussions.
39:35
Speaker 16: We work our way through them. But unfortunately the government
39:37
Speaker 16: has rejected this and that's a bad thing for the country.
39:40
Speaker 16: I think we've provided a pathway for them to try
39:43
Speaker 16: and get the laws through and to ensure that projects
39:45
Speaker 16: could be approved. We said this many times during the election.
39:48
Speaker 16: It took up to sixteen years to get projects approved. Now,
39:51
Speaker 16: whether it was a traditional resources project or a critical
39:54
Speaker 16: minerals project or even a project using renewable technology not
40:00
Speaker 16: competitive for Australia.
40:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, it's far too long.
40:04
Speaker 3: Juliana, I want to ask you about these bombshell claims
40:07
Speaker 3: from Liberal Senator Sarah Henderson. She says that labor ministers
40:11
Speaker 3: were discussing rolling Kevin Writer as ambassador just last year.
40:14
Speaker 17: Have a look, because I have been told on very
40:19
Speaker 17: reliable sources that Richard Marles, the Minister Defense and the
40:24
Speaker 17: Deputy Prime Minister met with a Minister for Trade, Don
40:28
Speaker 17: Farrell last November, of course, when the President won the
40:32
Speaker 17: election and discussed replacing Kevin Rudd as ambassador, and their
40:38
Speaker 17: preferred candidate was Stephen Conroy.
40:42
Speaker 2: So that was on outsiders yesterday.
40:44
Speaker 3: You know, this has been a live issue and yet
40:48
Speaker 3: the prime ministers just tried to wave it away.
40:50
Speaker 2: But this is further evidence.
40:54
Speaker 16: Well, it's ultimately a matter for the Prime Minister who
40:57
Speaker 16: he chooses to represent Australia overseas. When we were in government,
41:01
Speaker 16: we had Kim Beasley, Tony Abbot actually extended Kim Beasley's term.
41:04
Speaker 16: We had Joe Hockey, and we had Arthur Sinnadinas and
41:07
Speaker 16: all of them did their best to put Australia's interests
41:10
Speaker 16: first and to negotiate positions through the Congress and with
41:15
Speaker 16: the President of various different stripes at that time. And
41:17
Speaker 16: that's the role of the ambassador, and ultimately the Prime
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Speaker 16: Minister has to have confidence that whoever he chooses as
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Speaker 16: the ambassador is going to represent Australia's best interest in
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Speaker 16: the best possible manner. And my current choice of the
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Speaker 16: ambassadors is mister Rudd, and that's a matter for the
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Speaker 16: Prime Minister.
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Speaker 3: I've got so many other topics to get to you.
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Speaker 3: But you do you agree with Susan Lee though that
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Speaker 3: his positions untenable.
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Speaker 16: Well, I think ultimately it's a matter for the Prime
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Speaker 16: Minister to choose who he wants there, and that's what
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Speaker 16: Susan has said most recently, and I agree with her
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Speaker 16: in that it's not our job as the opposition to
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Speaker 16: choose the ambassador.
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Speaker 3: Well, you introduced to private members bill today relating to
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Speaker 3: matt literary minimum sentences for child sex offenses.
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Speaker 2: What is this legislation and why isn't needed.
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Speaker 16: We've been very concerned about the growing epidemic of child
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Speaker 16: sexual abuse that's occurring in this country. The National Center
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Speaker 16: for Countering Child Exploitation revealed that there've been over eighty
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Speaker 16: two thousand incidents reported to them in the last year.
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Speaker 16: That's an average of two hundred and sixty six a day.
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Speaker 16: We've been very concerned about the issues that are occurring
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Speaker 16: in childcare centers in Victoria, New South Wales and Queensland.
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Speaker 16: And there was recently a case in Victoria where a
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Speaker 16: man took a series of he was nineteen images and
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Speaker 16: produced seventy seven different files of child sex abuse material
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Speaker 16: against a five year old daughter and he basically effectively
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Speaker 16: did a six month sentence for what was a series
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Speaker 16: of Commonwealth offenses with a maximum penalty of fifteen years.
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Speaker 16: This isn't good enough, this isn't what Australians expect, and
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Speaker 16: so we've proposed five year mandem mandem mandatory, mandatory minimum sentence.
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Speaker 1: Sorry, thank you, and so getting.
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Speaker 16: Late in the night for me to ensure that if
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Speaker 16: you're if you are engaged in serious child sex offenses,
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Speaker 16: you will do serious time.
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Speaker 3: No if snowbuds, Julian, are you and your colleagues and
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Speaker 3: the Liberal Party frustrated with Barnaby Joyce becoming a destruction again.
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Speaker 16: Oh look, Barnaby is one of the great characters of
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Speaker 16: our parliament. He's telling every once called him one of
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Speaker 16: the great retail politicians in Australian history. You know, after
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Speaker 16: twenty years of service in the Senate, in the House,
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Speaker 16: he's decided that he's not going to seek pre selection
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Speaker 16: again next term. And I wish him well what Barnaby
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Speaker 16: does in the future as a matter for him, I'm focused,
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Speaker 16: as I know susanin Ly and our team is on
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Speaker 16: the issues that are focusing Australian's concerns, so things like
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Speaker 16: an Australians afford our house, you know, ensuring that we
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Speaker 16: put downward pressure on the cost of living, holding the
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Speaker 16: government to account on things like triple zero child safety
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Speaker 16: in childcare centers. The full suite of issues that Australians
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Speaker 16: are focused on. That's what we go to Camber to
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Speaker 16: focus on every single day.
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Speaker 2: All right, Juliane, thank you very much for your time
44:11
Speaker 2: this evening now still to come.
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Speaker 3: Israel says it will still share intelligence with Australia despite
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Speaker 3: the hostile Albanesi government. Deputy Foreign Minister Sharan Haskell explains
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Speaker 3: their position after the break.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back, Well.
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Speaker 3: I spoke last hour with Sharan Haskell, Israel's deputy Foreign Minister,
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Speaker 3: who gave me her reaction to Mossad unmasking the Iranian
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Speaker 3: mastermind behind the global attacks.
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Speaker 1: Here she is.
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Speaker 3: We learned today from Mossad that Iran was behind a
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Speaker 3: global spate of anti Semitic attacks. We hear that the
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Speaker 3: idea is terror without Iranian fingerprints.
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Speaker 2: Can you tell us some of how these attacks were orchestrated.
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Speaker 18: Look, obviously what the Moselle has revealed is extremely important,
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Speaker 18: but it's something that many authorities had an indication prior
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Speaker 18: to them.
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Speaker 5: Charie.
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Speaker 18: We are sharing intelligence with many countries, including countries where
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Speaker 18: there's governments where we have some challenges or some tensions
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Speaker 18: with The thing is that sharing this information is not
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Speaker 18: about a bilateral relationship or international relationship.
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Speaker 5: It's about saving lives.
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Speaker 18: It's about saving Israeli's life, It's about saving Australian lives
45:39
Speaker 18: as well. Iran's fighting a war which is not a
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Speaker 18: territorial It's fighting a religious war, a cultural war where
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Speaker 18: the Jews are at the front line. There's a saying
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Speaker 18: where they say, first they go for the Saturday people
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Speaker 18: and then they go for the Sunday people, and that's
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Speaker 18: exactly part of their strategy and how they are operating
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Speaker 18: all around the world.
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Speaker 2: And this I think really shows that point.
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Speaker 3: I mean, the entire time we've said that Israel is
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Speaker 3: fighting this war against terror on behalf of the West,
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Speaker 3: and I think the Australian government hasn't believed that truly,
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Speaker 3: but they should absolutely now that we can see that
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Speaker 3: attacks carried out in Australia were according to Mossad and
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Speaker 3: our own agencies as well were orchestrated by Iran.
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Speaker 5: Well Schari.
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Speaker 18: Look, the security forces in Australia are working close collaborations
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Speaker 18: with ours and this is important, as I said, you
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Speaker 18: to save lives. It's not about a relationship, but about
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Speaker 18: saving lives. Now this close cooperation and sharing and friendship,
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Speaker 18: the Australian government knows about it. Many things the Australian
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Speaker 18: government have known that have happened around the world, including
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Speaker 18: in Australia. And I have to say the policy in
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Speaker 18: regards to Israel during the last two years, it wasn't
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Speaker 18: about international affairs.
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Speaker 5: It wasn't about foreign policy. It was about internal politics.
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Speaker 3: That's what it was about, absolutely domestic politics here in Australia.
47:24
Speaker 3: And also the Prime Minister's own long held beliefs. He's
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Speaker 3: been a pro Palestinian act activist for a long time.
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Speaker 3: But this, as you say, shows the importance of the
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Speaker 3: relationship with Israel, just how critical the intelligence sharing is.
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Speaker 2: And that's not something that you're saying that will ever be.
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Speaker 3: Under threat, regardless of the hostilities from the Australian government.
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Speaker 18: Yes, look, you know Israelis and Australians have a historical relationship.
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Speaker 18: It doesn't depend on one government or another, but it
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Speaker 18: goes way back sharing. The Australian horse Battalions are the
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Speaker 18: one that liberated Bearsheba from the Ottoman Empire.
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Speaker 5: The only other flag.
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Speaker 18: Except of the Israeli flag that's waving in Beersheba is
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Speaker 18: the Australian flag. So no, it's the people to people relationship,
48:18
Speaker 18: it's the business to business relationship. That kind of friendship,
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Speaker 18: long one is the friendship of a true ally. And
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Speaker 18: despite challenges that we have with the government, the interest
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Speaker 18: of the Australian people.
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Speaker 5: And especially the security.
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Speaker 18: Knowing what a global threat we are facing, understanding the
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Speaker 18: atrocities of the seventh of October and what a trauma
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Speaker 18: and a scar it is on our heart, we don't
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Speaker 18: wish that upon anyone in the world, and anything that
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Speaker 18: Israel can do in order to prevent things like that
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Speaker 18: of happening, whether it's in Latin America or Australia, will
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Speaker 18: do that because at the end of the day, we
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Speaker 18: are facing the same threat and we have the same
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Speaker 18: moral values that binds us together. Values about freedom, democracy,
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Speaker 18: women's right, freedom of expression, and journalism and all of
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Speaker 18: these things that we cherish that we are fighting for
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Speaker 18: are the same values that Australians believe in and in
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Speaker 18: the challenges that we're facing, we will do everything in
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Speaker 18: order to protect and defend and cooperate in order to
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Speaker 18: save lives, whether it's Israelis or Australian lives.
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Speaker 3: Well, thank you so much for joining us, and of
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Speaker 3: course we are very grateful here in Australia for the
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Speaker 3: intelligence cooperation.
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Speaker 2: Really appreciate your time as always.
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Speaker 5: Thank you very much, Charry.
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Speaker 3: Before we go, I want to give a big shout
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Speaker 3: out to Chris Kenny for his incredible editorial on Thursday Night.
49:55
Speaker 3: Now Chris is being criticized and the ABC complaining about
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Speaker 3: him because he dared to call out their biased coverage
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Speaker 3: on the Middle East. Well, Chris Kenny, I support you,
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Speaker 3: We all support you. Your coverage has been incredible over
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Speaker 3: the past two years. I watch your show every night.
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Speaker 3: So we've got time for today right now, here's Paul Murray.