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The Music of the Old Testament with Dr. Jim Coakley & Motivating Kids Without Nagging with Dr. Kathy Koch · Karl and Crew

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  S1: Broadcasting from Chicago, across North America and beyond its cast
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  S1: and crew. Come as you are an experienced guide, overcome
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  S1: what seems impossible and live. As you never imagined delivering
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  S1: the truth daily.
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  S2: If it were possible to have every. Worldly gain available
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  S2: and you're forfeiting your soul, there's no amount of gain
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  S2: that would make it worth it.
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  S3: Our own way never ever works. Because it's apart from
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  S3: the life source, which is God.
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  S4: For me, growing up, love was always conditional and can
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  S4: be taken from you. Christ's love can't. And he went
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  S4: to the cross with my mind and my heart that night.
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  S1: Now, from the call of Hope Studios, this is Karl
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  S1: and crew.
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  S2: I have a bit of a conundrum. Maybe you have
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  S2: this as well. If you have a school aged child, okay,
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  S2: very quickly they age out of your ability to assist
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  S2: them with many subjects.
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  S3: Okay, so they're not getting any.
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  S4: Help from fair. That's fair.
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  S2: My son had a algebra packet that he had the
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  S2: whole summer to complete. This was the end of seventh
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  S2: grade algebra packet that needed to be done before he
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  S2: went back for eighth grade.
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  S3: Was he doing getting so much homework in the summer?
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  S2: It was just one packet.
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  S3: That's. Yeah, that's more than enough.
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  S4: Yeah, that's.
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  S3: You shouldn't be getting any too many.
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  S2: Well, that's probably what he thought. Which is maybe why
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  S2: he didn't get it finished until the 11th hour.
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  S3: I support his decision.
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  S2: And so as he grew more and more frustrated, then
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  S2: it became. Mom, I need your help. And then I
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  S2: started to get frustrated because I looked at this sheet,
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  S2: which mines what might as well have been written in Mandarin. Sure.
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  S2: I said, I can't help you with this. And he
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  S2: was like, how can you not help me with this?
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  S2: This is seventh grade math. I said, I haven't done
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  S2: seventh grade math since.
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  S3: Seventh.
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  S2: Grade. Seventh grade. And so he was frustrated because he
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  S2: felt like I was letting him down. And I feel like,
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  S2: how am I supposed to solve like a squared plus
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  S2: B squared equals c squared. That's been a lot of years.
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  S3: Yeah.
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  S2: A lot of it's changed.
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  S3: It's changed. Yeah. New math. You were talking about yesterday.
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  S3: You got new math now and I. Yeah. No, you
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  S3: shouldn't have to understand any of that. And he'll get it.
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  S3: It'll take him a little while, but he'll understand that.
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  S3: Of course, you're not gonna know any of that stuff.
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  S2: He eventually. I mean, it was probably 9:00 the night
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  S2: before the first day of school, and he was still
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  S2: doing this. And I said, you.
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  S4: Know what, man?
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  S2: You had all this time and it didn't get done.
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  S2: Turn in what you have. Just turn in what you have. Exactly.
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  S2: We're not gonna all be held hostage by this summer workout.
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  S4: Just call it. Just call it. We're done.
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  S2: And but I really I don't know what you do
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  S2: as a parent because you this the math is just
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  S2: it's not something that you keep up with if you
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  S2: don't use it.
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  S3: Exactly.
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  S2: Writing papers, I can provide some assistance reading English, those
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  S2: kind of things. I can still help, but I just those.
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  S2: The math problems beyond just like the basic functions, addition, subtraction, multiplication,
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  S2: division even gets a little dicey division. Well, okay, when
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  S2: you have to actually write it out and there's a,
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  S2: there's a remainder, you're telling me you can solve a
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  S2: long division problem.
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  S3: I don't know what a remainder is anymore.
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  S2: Okay, well then super nice eyes bug out.
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  S3: What's a remainder?
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  S2: You wanted to shame me for not knowing long division.
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  S3: No no no no no, you said. You said division.
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  S3: You didn't say long division with remainders.
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  S4: If you divide nine by three, it's clear it's three.
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  S4: Divide ten by three. There's a remainder. Remainder of one. See,
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  S4: three goes into ten three times. And then there's one
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  S4: left over.
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  S3: See? Oh that's dumb.
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  S4: But that's what I mean.
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  S3: But that's. No no no no no no no. You
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  S3: know what you should just say it doesn't. You can't
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  S3: divide ten by three. It doesn't work. You don't need remainders.
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  S3: You can just say it doesn't work.
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  S4: Oh no I think.
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  S3: I opened up.
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  S2: Just wait Jonathan. And you even have a couple years before.
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  S2: Before your daughter.
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  S3: I know it's going to change kindergarten math.
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  S2: You'll be able to.
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  S3: Assist.
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  S2: First, maybe even second grade. But mark my words.
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  S4: Gonna get a little dicey.
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  S2: By third grade, you're gonna start to feel like you're
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  S2: in over your head a little bit. When it comes
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  S2: to the math stuff. Parents, are you with me? Are
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  S2: you still able to assist with math? Maybe if you're
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  S2: in accounting or a math field, or if you're a teacher.
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  S2: The rest of us. I'm convinced of it. No shot,
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  S2: No shot without using ChatGPT.
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  S3: I haven't. I didn't even take a math class in college.
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  S3: I haven't taken a math class since. Really since senior
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  S3: year of high school. I took a test to test
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  S3: out of math classes in college. And then I was fine.
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  S2: And they said, you're.
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  S3: Said you're good. And you know what I got on
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  S3: that test? Bare minimum, baby.
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  S2: What's a remainder? Oh, boy. If you can do math,
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  S2: hats off to you. Let me know. Maybe it's just me. Hey.
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  S2: Good morning. This is Carlin crew.
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  S1: It's Carl and crew on Moody Radio.
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  S2: Well, it doesn't take long. The school year starts, the
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  S2: floors are still squeaky, the notebooks are still fresh, and
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  S2: then the feeling of pressure hits. The homework starts to
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  S2: pile up. The after school activities. The schedule starts to
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  S2: feel very full, and before you know it, everybody in
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  S2: the house parents, kids, maybe even pets. Everybody's feeling a
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  S2: little bit stressed out. We want to say this doesn't
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  S2: really matter as much as we are making it matter,
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  S2: but it doesn't feel like it in the moment. Doctor
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  S2: Kathy Cook I'm speaking from experience. This is a battle
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  S2: that we have in our own household of. We want
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  S2: to make sure that our kids are set up for success.
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  S2: We want to have them in the activities that are
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  S2: going to help them grow and flourish. The grades, all
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  S2: of that stuff feels like there's a push earlier and earlier,
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  S2: and this idea of having a high achieving kid, you
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  S2: don't want to raise an average kid. At least that's
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  S2: what they tell you. Kathy, speak to that a little bit.
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  S2: Founder and CEO of Celebrate Kids, Inc. You're speaking to
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  S2: many parents, even grandparents, aunts and uncles who want to
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  S2: get it right. They want their kids to be successful,
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  S2: but not at the expense of their joy, their sanity.
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  S5: Right? Man, I love this. You know what? If I
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  S5: actually suggested that average is really good? There's some new
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  S5: evidence that average kids will pivot easier. Average kids can
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  S5: be all things to all people, which would be Jesus,
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  S5: if you will. They can adapt to the changing culture.
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  S5: And what our listeners might not know is, according to
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  S5: research by the really respected George Barna, many of today's
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  S5: children will have seven careers, not seven jobs, but seven
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  S5: different careers because they're so multitask, multi-talented and multi able,
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  S5: multi concerned and multi skilled. And so although I know
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  S5: that achievement matters, I think a generalist is a really
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  S5: beautiful thing. A kid who's enjoying reading and writing and
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  S5: science and math, a kid who can handle Spanish economics,
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  S5: computers and writing an essay. So yes, achievement according to
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  S5: that child's ability, not achievement that you want, but achievement
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  S5: according to what that child's been created to be able
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  S5: to accomplish.
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  S2: So define what you mean by average in this sense
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  S2: that an average kid sometimes turn out the best. Do
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  S2: you mean that they're not pushing themselves? They're settling for
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  S2: less than what they're fully capable of. They're staying at
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  S2: the middle of the pack because they just don't care
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  S2: that much. My guess is that's not what you mean,
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  S2: but define it a little bit further for me.
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  S5: That's really a good question. I appreciate the chance to
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  S5: be clarifying here. I don't mean that. I don't mean lazy.
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  S5: I don't mean easily satisfied. And they don't want to
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  S5: do the bonus work. What I mean is a kid
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  S5: who works hard, perseveres, is diligent, is teachable and humble,
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  S5: takes direction well and earns a B, and the B
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  S5: is there a, and if we don't celebrate the B,
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  S5: it'll become a C. And so I would say the
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  S5: parents and grandparents, you know, do you know your kids
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  S5: well enough? Do you know the grandkids well enough to
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  S5: know what is a realistic expectation? Because if kids feel
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  S5: like our expectations for them are unrealistic and too high
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  S5: and something they can't achieve, it won't go well. They'll
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  S5: end up quitting because it's easier for them to quit
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  S5: than it is to try hard and disappoint a parent.
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  S2: You know, I think it's easy to look and see
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  S2: where other parents are missing it. It's very easy to
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  S2: see where, you know, I was at a sporting event
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  S2: recently and I saw a mom absolutely unleash on her
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  S2: daughter for how she had not performed well on the court.
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  S2: And it was it was heartbreaking to watch. And so
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  S2: it's easy to sit back and go, oh, man, that's
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  S2: I never want to do that to my kid or
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  S2: the parent who, you know, has to have the musical
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  S2: prodigy or who can never have be less than number
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  S2: one in their class. And so I think we can
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  S2: look at the extremes. What's obviously pretty destructive and then
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  S2: kind of give ourselves a pass. Like, I am a
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  S2: good Christian parent. I would never I would never do that.
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  S2: But there are subtle ways that I think as Christian parents,
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  S2: we can put pressure on our kids. That's maybe not
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  S2: as demonstrative, but can be no less destructive. What do
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  S2: you say?
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  S5: I think you're very wise to bring that up. Here's
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  S5: something to avoid. When you empty the backpack, or you
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  S5: empty the school folder and the kids are coming home,
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  S5: you know, with their daily work or with a quiz
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  S5: or a test score. Please don't say how did the
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  S5: other kids do?
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  S2: Oh.
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  S5: Right. Because we all do it. First of all, let
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  S5: me say to our listeners, we all do it, you know,
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  S5: but we don't need to do it because now we've
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  S5: put that kid, you know, in a comparison space. And
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  S5: one of the dangers for today's children is that comparison
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  S5: space that's been created by most likely social media, whether
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  S5: they're on it or not, it's in the air we breathe.
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  S5: If they've earned a 97 and you say, how do
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  S5: the other kids do they know you're asking, did anybody
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  S5: get 100? And now they're 97 isn't as good as
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  S5: it could have been. Um, if they earn, you know,
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  S5: an 85, you know, how do the other kids do?
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  S5: Or another question that kids tell me is really hard
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  S5: is when we say, did you do your best? Because
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  S5: I don't know about you, but I don't know when
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  S5: I've done my best. Like, I don't think that's an
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  S5: easy question, certainly for a child or a teenager to answer.
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  S5: So have you paid attention to how they've been studying?
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  S5: Have they asked you for help? You know, do they
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  S5: appear to be taking school seriously? And again, it's the beginning.
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  S5: They're finding a rhythm. They're trying to figure out the
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  S5: teacher's expectations and, you know, the teacher's content and how
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  S5: the teacher grades, etc.. And so let's be supportive, you know,
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  S5: and let's remember too, if I can say this, that
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  S5: school isn't all about grades. School isn't all about the
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  S5: academic excellence. There's the relationship component there. There's, you know,
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  S5: emotional health. Are they handling things well? So let's make
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  S5: sure we're also asking questions about those kinds of things.
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  S2: You know, whether you have kids who are at home
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  S2: and who are littles all the way up to having
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  S2: young adults who are maybe in college or a trade
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  S2: school or trying to launch into the world. One thing
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  S2: that I think that is a source of maybe frustration
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  S2: and confusion for many parents is that we, we can
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  S2: say this next generation doesn't seem as motivated as the
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  S2: previous generations. They don't seem like they want to go
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  S2: out and work for it. And this is a broad brush.
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  S2: But I would say even in with my own kids,
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  S2: there are times when I'm like, I want you to
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  S2: be more motivated in this area. I want you to
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  S2: want this and not me. Have to come behind you
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  S2: and say, did you do this or did you do this?
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  S2: How do we inspire motivation in our kids without nagging them?
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  S5: That's so good. Every parent is like, yes, you know,
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  S5: bring it on. So this is really hard. But let
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  S5: me say this. Everyone's motivated. I wrote a whole book
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  S5: about this. Everyone's motivated. There's no such thing as a
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  S5: non motivated kid. So it's not how do I get
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  S5: my kid motivated? It's how do I redirect my kids
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  S5: motivational energy? Like if you're motivated for apathy, you can
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  S5: be very successful if you're right. I mean, and if
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  S5: you're motivated to earn a C because, you know, if
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  S5: I earn an A, mom and dad are going to
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  S5: expect it all the time. This is what kids tell me.
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  S5: If I earn an A, they're going to expect it
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  S5: all the time. And that's a lot of pressure. And
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  S5: I'm not sure I'm going to always want to work
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  S5: that hard. So I'm going to go for, you know, A,
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  S5: B or C, because it takes off a lot of pressure.
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  S5: So they're motivated to, you know, keep you happy but
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  S5: not put too much stress on themselves. So watch your
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  S5: kids and talk to them, you know? What was your goal?
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  S5: What were you hoping to accomplish? And if you believe
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  S5: that they're capable of more, you got to prove it.
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  S5: You know, you're the mom, so you have to say
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  S5: you can do better. Or, you know, again, is this
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  S5: your best? I don't recommend that question, but I know
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  S5: where your heart is when you ask it. But I
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  S5: think to say to the kids, hey, I noticed that
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  S5: you only studied for 20 minutes and you're unhappy with
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  S5: your grade, you know, let's ramp it up. Let's do
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  S5: 25 minutes and see what happens. Or I wonder if
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  S5: you would be wise to study with me or very
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  S5: people smart if we talked it back and forth, got
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  S5: it out of your head, into your head, out of
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  S5: your head, into your head. Then maybe you would do better.
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  S5: So I think for us to, to look carefully at
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  S5: what's going on would be a really profitable thing.
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  S2: Keeping on that kind of same theme of pressure. The
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  S2: other subtle one, maybe the most dangerous, is sometimes we
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  S2: can put spiritual pressure on our kids. We talk a
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  S2: lot about, on this show about how many kids experience
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  S2: kind of a performance Christianity, where there's they learn how
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  S2: to do the youth group thing. They know that mom
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  S2: wants them or dad wants them to. Maybe you should
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  S2: lift your hands in worship like, uh, like so and
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  S2: so does. It looks like they're going on Wednesday and
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  S2: Friday nights. Maybe you should do that, too. And it
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  S2: comes from a good place of wanting our kids to
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  S2: grow and flourish spiritually. But it can feel like, again,
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  S2: the pressure you have to perform. I need you to
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  S2: do better. I need you to look better. And sometimes
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  S2: in churches, it's so that I look like I'm doing
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  S2: a good job as a parent.
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  S5: Yes. Thank you for being very brave. I like being
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  S5: on your show because you guys, you don't hold back.
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  S5: It's exactly right. That's what kids tell us. So no,
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  S5: it's about relationship. Do they love the Lord?
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  S2: Mhm.
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  S5: Do they know Jesus? Do they put him on display?
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  S5: Are they pursuing Christ? I mean, it's not a competition.
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  S5: You know, we all are different. You know, people who
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  S5: know my smarts that I've talked about here on the show,
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  S5: you know, if somebody has self smart, they're going to
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  S5: be quieter in their relationship with Christ. They're not going
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  S5: to proclaim it and declare it and need to interact
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  S5: as often as somebody who's maybe more people smart, etc.
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  S5: body smart children relate more physically in their relationship with Christ,
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  S5: so they may more naturally raise their hands or kneel spontaneously,
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  S5: or whatever the situation might be. But to know our
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  S5: kids like, why do you love the Lord? How do
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  S5: you love the Lord? You know, what have you learned
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  S5: from him recently this week? How do you want to
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  S5: serve him this week? If you could get grandma on
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  S5: a FaceTime call, what would you tell her about what
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  S5: you've learned recently with Christ? You know, to ask a kid,
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  S5: have you prayed spontaneously? When did you do that? Like
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  S5: to ask a kid at the end of the day, hey,
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  S5: when did you pray? Today. And if they look at
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  S5: you like they're, you know, I didn't pray they might
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  S5: not have the guts to say it, but you can
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  S5: tell by their eye contact, you know, then that's a
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  S5: conversation to have. Did you not think that he could
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  S5: have helped you in a situation? Was there nothing going
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  S5: on today where you thought, man, I need Jesus? So
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  S5: I think we got to ask better questions. And I
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  S5: think again, you guys, you're not parenting anybody but your kid.
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  S5: And now if you think that there's apathy, I would
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  S5: also ask why, like if your kid is going to
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  S5: youth group but is in the back row, isn't engaging,
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  S5: has never volunteered, doesn't want to play the games. I
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  S5: think to you call the youth pastor. You call the
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  S5: life group leader if you will, and you say, hey,
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  S5: you know, how is Jennifer showing up in church? Like
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  S5: we're a little bit concerned about some apathy, disinterest. She
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  S5: seems to be kind of not pursuing Christ. Have you
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  S5: noticed that? And, and let them know that you you
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  S5: want their help.
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  S2: I love it, Kathy Cook, you have so many resources.
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  S2: I want to point people to your website. You mentioned
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  S2: the eight great smarts and also start with the heart.
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  S2: Five to thrive. Just a couple. Just text kids to 805, five, five, 78, 98.
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• 16:20
  S2: It's back to school week here on Carl and Crew,
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  S2: our next professor up. I hope you're enjoying these conversations
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  S2: where these Moody Bible Institute professors have given up some
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  S2: of their day so that they can teach a little
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  S2: bit of what they're teaching this semester to you, to me,
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  S2: to our radio audience, doctor Jim Coakley with us. He
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  S2: is a professor here at Moody Professor of Bible. He's
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  S2: been awarded the Faculty Citation Award, which was awarded a
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  S2: Founders Week 2025. Doctor Coakley, before we get to why
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  S2: the first four books of the Bible are like a musical,
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  S2: do you have any musical experience in your background?
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  S6: Not at all. I detested music, I was more an
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  S6: action guy, you know. And so yeah, music. My my
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  S6: father was into it. He watched all those musicals, you know,
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  S6: South Pacific, Oklahoma. But me, I could I wanted nothing
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  S6: to do with that. I wanted to be outside. I
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  S6: wanted to see action, you know? But music. No.
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  S2: Fair enough. Okay. So you teach one of the classes
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  S2: you're teaching is Old Testament survey. And as soon as
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  S2: you start talking about Old Testament, a lot of people go, oh,
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  S2: it's hard to understand. But before we even get to
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  S2: start to break down the course, talk, give me this
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  S2: musical analogy because this is fascinating to me.
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  S6: Well, you know, I'm always looking for ways I can
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  S6: communicate what the scriptures are all about. And so when
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  S6: we think about the Old Testament, like you say, it's long,
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  S6: it's 77% of our Bibles and we get kind of
• 17:40
  S6: bogged down in certain portions of it. So I'm looking
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  S6: for ways to kind of communicate how we can stay
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  S6: into the big picture. How can we make sure that
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  S6: we understand it's not just isolated stories, but there's a storyline,
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  S6: there's a melody line that's going through it again. Perfect
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  S6: segue for music. And then seeing that there's injections of
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  S6: music or lyrical or poetical elements in the storytelling. And
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  S6: so just now, picking up on where those are included,
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  S6: it's been fascinating to see that they actually help you
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  S6: understand the big picture of what the Pentateuch is all about.
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  S2: Okay. So take us through that, that arc of, of
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  S2: how it builds. You said there's moments where they're breaking
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  S2: into song, right?
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  S6: Well, you even see it in the first chapter of Genesis.
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  S6: You know, we have the whole creation story. And then
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  S6: it gets down to, hey, in the image of God,
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  S6: you know, man was made. And that's lyrical thing. So
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  S6: there's a little poetic insert right there at the end.
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  S6: And that's same in chapter two. Uh, Adam sings about
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  S6: his wife, uh, and his woo hoo, you know, bone
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  S6: of my bones, flesh, my flesh. And so we have
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  S6: these stories narrative, and then we break into these lyrical components.
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  S6: But it's not only happening on the small level, like
• 18:45
  S6: the chapter level, it happens on the book level. So
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  S6: you come to the end of Genesis, and we have
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  S6: the blessing that Jacob is giving to his 12 boys,
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  S6: and that's lyrical. And then also you go to Exodus
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  S6: and you have the song of the sea. After you
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  S6: get them out, you have a little, you know, song.
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  S6: Celebration of the event, uh, next year's chapter 15. We'll
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  S6: skip over Leviticus for the moment, but then you get
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  S6: to numbers and you have the wilderness wanderings, and then
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  S6: you have the oracles of Balaam. And that's very lyrical.
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  S6: And then you come to the end of Deuteronomy. Not
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  S6: only do you have one song, you have two songs. Uh,
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  S6: so there's Deuteronomy 3233 are both songs. And so you
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  S6: notice that there's a narrative story. Then you have a
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  S6: kind of a poetic content that's after that. Yeah. And
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  S6: then this is a pattern that follows, but it's not just, again,
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  S6: for aesthetics. There's purpose for it. And that's really what
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  S6: I want to really dive into.
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  S2: Okay. So let's talk about then the purpose of it,
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  S2: of just the different, the story arc.
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  S6: So if we look at the Pentateuch as a musical
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  S6: and we see these patterns going on here, and we
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  S6: look at the playbill. So what are the songs in
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  S6: this musical? Well, you come to the end of Genesis
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  S6: and it's the blessing that Jacob has. And one of
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  S6: the things that I've noticed that was, I think it's
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  S6: just coincidental compared to that one of the big musicals
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  S6: I remember going when I went to London one time,
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  S6: my wife and I went to go see The Lion
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  S6: King musical. Oh, the London Theater District. Well, believe it
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  S6: or not, the Bible has The Lion King musical because
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  S6: in Genesis 49 we have the mention of lion. And
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  S6: then also we have the mention of lion at the
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  S6: end of Deuteronomy. And so this lion theme is really
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  S6: embedded throughout these musicals. So they're using animal, the animal
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  S6: imagery of lion. And then of course, you fast forward
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  S6: even to the last book of the Bible. There's the,
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  S6: you know, again, the lion of the tribe of Judah
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  S6: and the song of Moses, the song of the Lamb.
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  S6: And so there's musical components all the way through the Bible,
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  S6: but they in the Pentateuch, and this is what is
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  S6: really fun is to see they have a purpose. They're
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  S6: looking forward. It's not just telling a history of the past.
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  S6: It's also looking forward to a Messiah like figure. And
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  S6: so all the major messianic prophecies in the Pentateuch are
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  S6: in these musical elements. And so you start to see, oh,
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  S6: it's Messiah the musical, it's Moses the musical. And you
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  S6: see how it points to his person, to his work.
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  S6: He's the royal figure. He's the king. But he is
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  S6: also again coming again. And we need to be prepared
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  S6: for this one. We're looking for one and that's the expectation.
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  S6: Hope so. We're looking forward to what the the real
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  S6: Lion King, the lion of the tribe of Judah is
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  S6: going to be doing awesome.
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  S2: Doctor Jim Coakley with us this morning. Okay. So you
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  S2: skipped over Leviticus. Let's jump back to Leviticus because it
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  S2: is a it's a challenging book to read.
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  S6: It sure is. And like, sometimes I kind of joke
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  S6: with students, what should I get out of Leviticus? Professor?
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  S6: And I say, well, get out of Leviticus as soon
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  S6: as you can, because it's where Bible reading plans typically
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  S6: go to die. Uh, and so he's like, yeah, it's
• 21:43
  S6: not the easiest read, especially for us Western, you know,
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  S6: moderns to have about animal sacrifices and parts of this
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  S6: and this story and mildew and all these kind of things.
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  S6: But again, if we go for the big picture and
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  S6: we see, we notice that Genesis, Exodus, numbers, Deuteronomy all
• 21:59
  S6: have these musical components. But the middle book out of
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  S6: the five, number three doesn't have this musical thing, but
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  S6: it has something in the middle of it which is
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  S6: very messianic as well. And that's Yom Kippur or Day
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  S6: of Atonement. And in that it almost sounds like Handel's Messiah. Uh,
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  S6: and so when you look at what it says, when
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  S6: we think about what's going on with Leviticus, it's amazing that,
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  S6: you know, his kingdom shall have no end. It's almost
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  S6: like Handel's Messiah is playing through your mind as you're
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  S6: reading through Leviticus 16. And so that middle portion is
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  S6: really then talking about his work. The other ones really
• 22:35
  S6: talk more about the person of Messiah, but the fact
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  S6: that he's going to provide atonement for us. And so
• 22:40
  S6: the whole scheme of the Pentateuch is really seen, beautifully
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  S6: laid out. If you see it just like we do
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  S6: a Broadway musical.
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  S2: I love that. You know, I think one of the
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  S2: things that people find challenging is that it's when you
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  S2: are reading through the New Testament, obviously the story, the
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  S2: narrative is can be easier to follow. Also, the application
• 23:00
  S2: seems like sometimes it's more direct. Like I can read
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  S2: a passage of scripture and I can see a little
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  S2: bit more clearly how this applies to me. And sometimes
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  S2: that can be challenging in parts of the Old Testament.
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  S2: And that's where I think you said where reading plans
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  S2: go to die. Right. When we struggle to see how
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  S2: does this apply to me? How does how do I, um,
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  S2: make this relevant for my day to day life?
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  S6: Right. Well, even here when we think about what is
• 23:26
  S6: our songs, what are our songs like? Are they forward
• 23:29
  S6: looking like the songs in the Pentateuch? Are they focused
• 23:33
  S6: on the Messiah? Are they are they focused on Jesus? Uh.
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  S6: Do they again teach us more about the person and
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  S6: work of who he is? You know, we have a
• 23:40
  S6: lot of choruses and things like that, but we we
• 23:42
  S6: got to get back to the more meaningful songs that
• 23:45
  S6: really point us upward and, and to the Messiah. And
• 23:49
  S6: so these are the things I think we need to
• 23:51
  S6: incorporate more music. I mean, you guys use music in
• 23:54
  S6: your program. You have segments and then music, and you're
• 23:57
  S6: hoping that the what the music fits the narrative. And
• 24:00
  S6: that's really what's beautiful about the Pentateuch as a musical
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  S6: is that the the songs really then kind of put
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  S6: together the peaks or the themes of what the narrative
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  S6: is all about. It's forward looking to Jesus. And then
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  S6: when you come to the Jesus on the road to Emmaus.
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  S6: Everyone's always mystified by what he says. Beginning with Moses,
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  S6: he opened the scriptures concerning himself. Well, now I know
• 24:22
  S6: a little bit of what that conversation might like. I
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  S6: don't want to claim that I know, but I can
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  S6: just say, hey, remember the songs in the Pentateuch? How
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  S6: they all were looking forward to a Lion King like
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  S6: figure looking forward. And you are to, you know, kind
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  S6: of work in honor of that. You know, then I
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  S6: can begin to see, oh, I can see how Jesus
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  S6: is there just by even looking at the musical components
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  S6: in the Pentateuch.
• 24:45
  S2: Doctor Jim Coakley with us this morning coming up. Let's
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  S2: give you some takeaways. Maybe you have started and stopped
• 24:51
  S2: Bible reading plans. You've gotten stuck in some of these passages.
• 24:54
  S2: What are some practical ways that you can master master
• 24:59
  S2: that reading plan this year, not just for completion's sake,
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  S2: but so that you are being transformed by the Word
• 25:04
  S2: of God? Yes, even the Old Testament. Coming up.
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  S1: He was sharing the gospel on the radio and then
• 25:10
  S1: he got saved. Young thunders in the crew. It's Carl
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  S1: and crew on Moody Radio.
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  S2: You're reading through the Old Testament. Maybe you're doing a
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  S2: Bible reading plan. Look for the songs just like in
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  S2: a musical. Doctor Jim Coakley, professor here at Moody Bible Institute.
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  S2: I love this analogy of thinking through it like a
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  S2: musical and looking for those songs, those that always point forward.
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  S2: Just give us a quick sum up of where we've been.
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  S2: I mean, that pointing forward, looking toward the Messiah. It's
• 25:40
  S2: not like Jesus is just in the New Testament, right?
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  S6: Well, you look at these major songs, these little poetic,
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  S6: like Playbill songs that are in the Pentateuch. They all
• 25:49
  S6: have the same kind of setup. Come, let's gather around,
• 25:52
  S6: listen to me. So this is something important. And so
• 25:54
  S6: paying attention to the music is really, really critical for
• 25:57
  S6: us as Bible readers where it occurs. Why is it
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  S6: there and what theme is being foregrounded? But then also
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  S6: it's forward looking. So it's what I call millennial. It's
• 26:06
  S6: looking forward to the future because we get kind of
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  S6: lost in the day to day kind of things, and
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  S6: we need hope for the future. And that's what these
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  S6: songs are doing. But they're also focused on Messiah and Jesus.
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  S6: And so we have this kind of, you know, hope
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  S6: that we're looking at these kind of things, and then
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  S6: they have certain things that also kind of unite them
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  S6: as well. And that's the beauty, is that the Bible
• 26:26
  S6: is not fragmented stories. It's really one unity story. And
• 26:30
  S6: so we start with these lion themes in Genesis 49.
• 26:34
  S6: It's in numbers 22 to 24, and then also at
• 26:38
  S6: the end of Deuteronomy. So the Lion King theme is
• 26:41
  S6: really very, very clear. And then, you know, John picks
• 26:44
  S6: it up in the book of revelation. This is the
• 26:46
  S6: lion of the tribe of Judah. And so it's like,
• 26:48
  S6: where did John get that from? Well, he read the Pentateuch.
• 26:51
  S6: He read the musical. He watched that play, as it were,
• 26:54
  S6: and he saw it all play out. But then he
• 26:56
  S6: also says he's a lamb. I mean, look at that
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  S6: lion and lamb, the contrast there. And so all these
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  S6: things are there. And the songs that are there at
• 27:04
  S6: the end of the the revelation as well, we actually
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  S6: are going to sing the song of Moses. And so
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  S6: Moses is very much associated with music. And so I
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  S6: want to speak to the guys out there because a
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  S6: lot of guys are probably like me. I could care
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  S6: less about musicals. You know, when I was watching Sound
• 27:19
  S6: of Music growing up, I am 16 going on 17.
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  S2: Hey, don't be. Don't be coming for that movie. That's
• 27:25
  S2: my favorite.
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  S6: You know, I'm going to go out of the room, make,
• 27:28
  S6: make a, get a snack or something. You know, I
• 27:30
  S6: want the action. But for us guys, especially, we sometimes
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  S6: you don't appreciate lyric and poetry and music. I think
• 27:38
  S6: if we're going to really get more out of the Bible,
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  S6: especially for us guys, we need to pay attention more
• 27:43
  S6: to the lyrical component of the scriptures.
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  S2: So let's talk some of the practical takeaways, because our
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  S2: goal in reading the Bible is not just to consume information.
• 27:53
  S2: It's not even just to understand it. I mean, the
• 27:55
  S2: Word of God is living and active, so we want
• 27:58
  S2: the Word of God to transform us. But many people
• 28:00
  S2: do get bogged down in the Old Testament. You mentioned
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  S2: earlier 77% of the Bible. Yes. I mean, if you're
• 28:06
  S2: doing a Bible reading plan that starts on January 1st,
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  S2: you don't get to the New Testament until October.
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  S6: That's right. That's amazing. And I'm teaching Old Testament survey
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  S6: for them to read it in the course of a
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  S6: three four month semester. It's eight chapters a day.
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  S2: Wow.
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  S6: To read through the Old Testament. So that kind of
• 28:23
  S6: gives you a little bit of, okay, you got to keep,
• 28:25
  S6: you know, keep going through the content there. But it's
• 28:29
  S6: not just reading the content. And, you know, me, we've been,
• 28:31
  S6: you know, done a number of interviews over the years.
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  S6: It's like, I'm not just there to read the data
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  S6: to get the facts, the people, the places and events
• 28:38
  S6: that's there. It's historical. There's no doubt about it. But
• 28:41
  S6: I want to get to the why. And so where
• 28:44
  S6: we have how is the Scripture given to us? And
• 28:46
  S6: we see these structures, we see these inserts of narrative
• 28:50
  S6: and poetry and how they really help us to then
• 28:53
  S6: gather what the theme is, what the peaks are. And
• 28:55
  S6: so you go to Genesis one, you have the narrative
• 28:58
  S6: of creation, and then what's the peak? Well, we sing
• 29:00
  S6: about it. The fact that we are made in God's image.
• 29:03
  S6: You come to chapter two and it's all about relationships
• 29:05
  S6: and what's going to help man in this new environment.
• 29:08
  S6: And all of a sudden, lo and behold, he makes
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  S6: woman for Adam and he sings about it. And so
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  S6: marriage is the worthy of song. And so these things
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  S6: are all the way through. And then chapter three, sadly,
• 29:19
  S6: we fall and we sing the blues. And then sadly,
• 29:22
  S6: we get to chapter four. We have the whole narrative
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  S6: of Cain and Abel, violence and death. And it's like, ah,
• 29:28
  S6: this is this world has gone amuck. But then we
• 29:31
  S6: have Lamech and he's singing, but he's singing what I
• 29:34
  S6: call gangster rap. I have killed a man for wounded me,
• 29:37
  S6: a young man for hurting me. I could almost hear
• 29:38
  S6: him jumping up on the stage. And it's like, look
• 29:41
  S6: at what happens. We start with him. Then we go
• 29:44
  S6: to a love ballad, then we go to the blues
• 29:46
  S6: and then we're singing gangster rap and look at the
• 29:49
  S6: music and how it changes and look at why do
• 29:53
  S6: we go into gangster rap? Because of the fall. Sin
• 29:55
  S6: has so corrupted even music. And so we need to gather,
• 29:59
  S6: regather music around back to focus on the Messiah and
• 30:02
  S6: looking for his person in his work.
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  S2: Doctor Jim Coakley. You want. Lastly, why do you love
• 30:08
  S2: teaching old testament survey? Because you. It's clear you light
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  S2: up even as you try to describe it to us
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  S2: and to your students.
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  S6: Yeah. No, I mean, you know, when I went to seminary,
• 30:18
  S6: I focused on Old Testament and it's because, you know,
• 30:20
  S6: I could always feel like I could understand a New Testament. It's,
• 30:23
  S6: you know, Gospels and the epistles. It's pretty what I
• 30:25
  S6: call straight line communication. Old Testament was a huge mystery
• 30:29
  S6: box to me. So I said, I'm going to try
• 30:31
  S6: to unpack as much as I can. And I've just
• 30:33
  S6: had the privilege over the years of saying, hey, if
• 30:35
  S6: I struggled with it, how can I help others? Students,
• 30:39
  S6: people in the church, listeners of Moody Radio, how can
• 30:42
  S6: I help them get more out of their Bible? And so,
• 30:45
  S6: you know me, I'm a trainer, I'm a teacher. So
• 30:47
  S6: I'm always teaching people how to get more out of
• 30:49
  S6: the Bible. And that's really the background behind why I
• 30:52
  S6: wrote the book that I did is to get people
• 30:54
  S6: more engaged as they read the Bible.
• 30:56
  S2: If you want more from Doctor Jim Coakley, he's got
• 30:58
  S2: a great book. We didn't mention it, but it's worth
• 31:00
  S2: mentioning if you are wanting more out of your Bible.
• 31:03
  S2: 14 Fresh Ways to Enjoy the Bible. It's a Moody
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  S2: Publishers title. Just text fresh to 805 557898, text fresh
• 31:12
  S2: to 805 557898. And our thanks to Doctor Jim Coakley,
• 31:17
  S2: along with so many great professors spending their time here
• 31:21
  S2: with us this morning. Text fresh to 805 557898.
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  S1: Walking closer to Jesus every day. You're listening to Carl
• 31:30
  S1: and Crew.
• 31:31
  S2: When's the last time you changed your mind on something?
• 31:35
  S2: Maybe you had made a decision, and then when presented
• 31:39
  S2: with additional evidence or information, you made a different decision.
• 31:46
  S3: That's a good question.
• 31:48
  S2: You can change your mind on a lot of things. Jonathan,
• 31:49
  S2: you changed your mind on on food.
• 31:52
  S3: Yeah.
• 31:53
  S2: Because you're you were anti a lot of foods.
• 31:55
  S3: I grew up a very picky eater. And so it
• 31:57
  S3: took me a while to get, you know, through. I mean,
• 32:00
  S3: I remember so the level of picky here is pretty crazy.
• 32:04
  S3: I remember the first time, you know, you drive through
• 32:07
  S3: McDonald's as a kid and I didn't get chicken nuggets.
• 32:11
  S3: I had like a cheeseburger. And I thought I was
• 32:13
  S3: discovering something that no one knew. I was like, have
• 32:17
  S3: you guys ever had this.
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  S2: Cheeseburger from McDonald's?
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  S3: This is incredible. And it was because I was that picky. Like,
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  S3: if it wasn't chicken nuggets, I wasn't gonna touch it. And,
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  S3: and so obviously it got a little better over time
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  S3: as I got older, but I was still picky. Even
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  S3: when I met my now wife, uh, 11 years ago, uh,
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  S3: we started dating and I went over to her house
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  S3: and I did not want to get caught not eating food,
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  S3: so I was just gonna eat it to be nice. Yeah.
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  S3: And it was all normal food. Like, let's, let's be
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  S3: clear here. It was all very normal food. And I
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  S3: ate it and I was like, oh my goodness, I've
• 32:54
  S3: been missing out on this stuff for a long time.
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  S3: I was like, this ain't half bad. And so I've
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  S3: had a lot of those discoveries over the years.
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  S2: You know, there's something I think there's something pretty powerful
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  S2: that happens when you're when you change your mind on something.
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  S2: I think it takes a level of humility.
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  S3: Yeah, absolutely. You know, from the spiritual aspect of things. Uh,
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  S3: you know, because my, my story is that I, I
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  S3: thought I was saved, I wasn't saved, you guys know that. Uh,
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  S3: I've shared it a lot, but I remember in, in
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  S3: one of those times I wasn't saved my buddy who
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  S3: also wasn't saved, uh, we were driving in the car
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  S3: and he was talking with me about, man, I don't
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  S3: really know if I know Jesus. And he was having
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  S3: that conversation with me, but I wasn't saved yet. And
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  S3: so I was like, man, do you believe that he
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  S3: that he died on the, on the cross? He goes, well, yeah,
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  S3: I believe that. And I was like, well, then you're
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  S3: all fine. You ain't got nothing to worry about. And
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  S3: I had no life change. No, you know, further talking
• 33:52
  S3: about it, I was like, you're good. Whatever. Just leave
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  S3: it be. And then later, after I came to Faith.
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  S3: And he did too. Uh, separately, uh, we met up
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  S3: again and I was like, hey, I was like, I
• 34:04
  S3: know this was a while ago. And I was like,
• 34:05
  S3: I know we're both here now. And I was like,
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  S3: but I'm really sorry. I was like, I had that
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  S3: conversation with you. I was like, I did not tell
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  S3: you the right stuff. And, and I was like, I
• 34:13
  S3: should have told you this. And I was like, and
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  S3: I didn't. And so it was cool to be able
• 34:17
  S3: to come back and say, like, I did that wrong.
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  S3: And I've changed my mind on this and I'm sorry
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  S3: for giving you bad information.
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  S2: Proud of you, young Thunder.
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  S3: It was fun.
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  S4: That's the way to go.
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  S2: That does take some humility.
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  S4: Because.
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  S2: A lot of times we don't want to admit that
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  S2: we were wrong about something.
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  S3: Totally. It's hard. Hard to admit you were wrong about something.
• 34:38
  S2: You get into that argument where you're so convinced you're right,
• 34:40
  S2: and then you later go, oh, wait, maybe I didn't
• 34:45
  S2: have the full picture.
• 34:46
  S4: Yeah, everything's in a minute.
• 34:47
  S2: Back to school week. We've been looking at some of
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  S2: the parables, and I want to take you to Matthew 21,
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  S2: the parable of the two sons. Now, Jesus. The audience
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  S2: here are the religious leaders, the chief priests, the elders
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  S2: who have been challenging his authority, asking him basically, what
• 35:04
  S2: gives you the authority to come into the temple and
• 35:07
  S2: be flipping tables and teaching and healing people? Who do
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  S2: you get that kind of authority with? So he has
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  S2: kind of a back and forth exchange where he poses
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  S2: a question to them, and then he tells them this parable.
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  S2: What do you think? A man had two sons, and
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  S2: he went to the first and said, son, go and
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  S2: work in the vineyard today. And he answered, I will not.
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  S2: But afterward he changed his mind and went. And he
• 35:34
  S2: went to the other son and said the same. And
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  S2: he answered, I will, sir, but did not go. Which
• 35:41
  S2: of the two did the will of the father? They
• 35:44
  S2: said the first. Jesus said to them, truly I say
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  S2: to you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes go into
• 35:51
  S2: the kingdom of God before you. For John came to
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  S2: you in the way of righteousness, and you did not
• 35:56
  S2: believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes believed him.
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  S2: And even when you saw it, you did not afterward
• 36:04
  S2: change your minds and believe. So the parable we have
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  S2: a vineyard owner, landowner. We have two sons. The first son,
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  S2: when told to go work in the vineyard, says, I
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  S2: will not. But then later goes out and does. It
• 36:23
  S2: later obeys.
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  S4: Exactly.
• 36:24
  S2: And then we have the second son who says, I'll go, yes, sir,
• 36:30
  S2: but doesn't actually get up and do anything. So this
• 36:34
  S2: parable I had found kind of puzzling because it was like,
• 36:38
  S2: what is what do you mean? Which one did the
• 36:39
  S2: will of the father? I mean, did either one of.
• 36:42
  S3: Them, they both kind of not listened for a time.
• 36:44
  S4: Because.
• 36:45
  S2: The first one who said, I won't then obeyed. I mean,
• 36:48
  S2: delayed obedience is disobedience, right?
• 36:50
  S4: Sure.
• 36:51
  S2: Right. We've heard that one. And then for sure, the
• 36:53
  S2: second son who said I will go but did not. Well,
• 36:57
  S2: any parent who's ever been told by a child, yes,
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  S2: I'm going to clean this room. Doesn't get points for
• 37:04
  S2: saying I'll clean the room, but then not actually cleaning
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  S2: the room.
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  S3: Exactly.
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  S2: Did their profession of. I will do it matter if
• 37:12
  S2: the room remains a mess?
• 37:15
  S3: Not so much.
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  S2: So what's Jesus trying to get at here? I'll break
• 37:20
  S2: it down. Coming up.
• 37:21
  S1: Whether it's in the pool or on the stage, she's
• 37:25
  S1: making a splash. Super di is in the crew. You're
• 37:29
  S1: listening to Carl and crew.
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  S2: Jesus tells this parable the parable of the two sons,
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  S2: two chief priests, elders, religious leaders who were challenging his authority,
• 37:41
  S2: asking him, who gives you the right to come in
• 37:45
  S2: and turn tables in the temple and to heal people
• 37:48
  S2: and to teach. It's clear that they are not positioned
• 37:55
  S2: to try to receive from him. Right?
• 37:58
  S3: Totally.
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  S4: Not at all.
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  S2: They want to try to expose him in some way.
• 38:03
  S2: And so that's the audience of this parable. So he
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  S2: tells them about a man with two sons. And the
• 38:12
  S2: man tells both of his sons to go and work
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  S2: in the vineyard. The first son says, no, I'm not
• 38:20
  S2: going to do it. But then later goes out and
• 38:22
  S2: works in the vineyard. The second son says, yeah, I'll
• 38:26
  S2: do it, and then doesn't actually go. And then after
• 38:30
  S2: he tells them this parable, he asks them to interpret it.
• 38:34
  S2: He says, which of the two did the will of
• 38:36
  S2: his father? And they say the first. Which is the
• 38:44
  S2: correct answer?
• 38:45
  S3: Sure. Yeah.
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  S2: The one who actually did what the father said to do.
• 38:52
  S2: Despite their initial reply of no. Yeah. And so they
• 38:56
  S2: don't realize that in answering correctly, that the first son
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  S2: is the one who did the will of the father,
• 39:02
  S2: that they are implicating themselves. Here's why. The moody Bible
• 39:08
  S2: commentary was really helpful in bringing some understanding here, because
• 39:11
  S2: this one is was a bit of a puzzle for me.
• 39:14
  S2: The first son, the one who said I will not,
• 39:18
  S2: but then obeyed. That son represents the tax collectors, the prostitutes,
• 39:23
  S2: the other obvious sinners, the one that Jesus tells them
• 39:26
  S2: are going to enter the kingdom of heaven before the
• 39:28
  S2: religious leaders. Why? Well, because that initial I will not
• 39:35
  S2: represents the fact that these were people who were undoubtedly
• 39:39
  S2: living a sinful lifestyle contrary to the will of God.
• 39:45
  S2: But when John comes preaching a baptism of repentance, preparing
• 39:49
  S2: the way for Jesus, they turn. They believe. Unlike the
• 39:57
  S2: religious leaders represented by the second son in this parable,
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  S2: these were the ones who claimed to know the way
• 40:04
  S2: to obey and follow God's word. But when John comes,
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  S2: the one who was sent by God, by the way,
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  S2: they reject him. They profess obedience and then reject the
• 40:18
  S2: very one declaring the message of Jesus, their. The son
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  S2: who says, I'll go. But doesn't actually follow through. So
• 40:29
  S2: the first son is the one who ultimately does the
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  S2: will of the father. These are the people who, when
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  S2: confronted with their sin when presented with Jesus, they had
• 40:41
  S2: a change of heart.
• 40:42
  S3: It changed their mind.
• 40:43
  S2: They changed their mind. The religious leaders did not. They
• 40:48
  S2: did not change their mind. They rejected John. And even
• 40:54
  S2: when they saw the tax collectors and the prostitutes believe.
• 40:59
  S2: They didn't change their minds. No. This is fascinating to
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  S2: me because I think about what it takes back to
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  S2: where we started, the humility that it takes to change
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  S2: your mind on something.
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  S3: It's hard. It's hard to change your mind and admit
• 41:14
  S3: sometimes when you're wrong, especially when you're so vocal about
• 41:18
  S3: being right. You know, for the Pharisees, let's just continue
• 41:22
  S3: to use them as the example here. They were very
• 41:25
  S3: vocal about how their way was the right way of
• 41:29
  S3: doing things. And I'm sure it would have been very
• 41:33
  S3: difficult for them to admit that they were wrong, even
• 41:36
  S3: if they felt like they.
• 41:38
  S2: Felt like they did. And the John coming was not
• 41:43
  S2: what was expected.
• 41:44
  S4: No.
• 41:45
  S2: I mean the prophecy about the coming Messiah. It it
• 41:49
  S2: none of it happened, although it all fulfilled prophecy.
• 41:52
  S3: Yeah, it does blow my mind. Something different. It does
• 41:54
  S3: blow my mind a little bit about how clear Old
• 41:57
  S3: Testament prophecy is, about what is going to come and
• 42:00
  S3: how misunderstood it was. And, and John's a part of that.
• 42:05
  S3: And Jesus is a part of that, obviously. And they
• 42:08
  S3: saw it and they were like, no, we don't want that.
• 42:10
  S3: That's not what we were expecting. And that's not what
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  S3: I want to follow.
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  S2: In rejecting John's message. They're rejecting Jesus.
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  S3: Absolutely.
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  S2: Verse 32, For John came to you in the way
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  S2: of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the
• 42:24
  S2: tax collectors and the prostitutes believed him. And even when
• 42:28
  S2: you saw it, you did not afterward change your minds
• 42:31
  S2: and believe him. This is an indictment on them 100%.
• 42:35
  S2: So while they're questioning his authority, who gives you the
• 42:38
  S2: right to do this or that. He's exposing their hearts.
• 42:43
  S1: He's a sports fanatic with a stand for anything you
• 42:46
  S1: can think of. Young Thunder is in the crew. It's
• 42:50
  S1: curl and crew on Moody radio.
• 42:53
  S2: Thank you, young Thunder. You know what time it is.
• 42:57
  S1: Making herself laugh no matter who joins her, it's time for.
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  S1: Allie thinks it's funny.
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  S2: Hey, pet owners. Today's jokes are just for you, particularly
• 43:09
  S2: if you are a dog owner, dog owner, young thunder
• 43:13
  S2: dog owner, dog owner.
• 43:15
  S4: No, not right now. Right now.
• 43:17
  S2: But you have had dogs.
• 43:18
  S4: Always have dogs.
• 43:19
  S2: That you have loved over the years. Okay, so what
• 43:23
  S2: do you call a dog who sneezes all the time? Oh,
• 43:28
  S2: allergy dog just constantly sneezing.
• 43:32
  S7: MM.
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  S4: Don't know.
• 43:34
  S2: Ah choo wah wah.
• 43:37
  S4: AWA.
• 43:39
  S3: Ooh. Okay. It kind of hurts your bones a little
• 43:43
  S3: bit when you hear it.
• 43:47
  S2: Hurts your bones.
• 43:48
  S3: Hurts your bones just a little bit.
• 43:49
  S2: Okay. Next up next up for the dog jokes stat. Man,
• 43:53
  S2: you will love this one. Did you know that dogs
• 43:56
  S2: can bark up to 500 times a day?
• 43:59
  S3: That's a lot of barking. I believe it from my dog.
• 44:02
  S2: Yeah, up to 500 times per day for the average dog.
• 44:06
  S2: But that's just a rough estimate.
• 44:10
  S8: Who let the dogs out? Who let the dogs out?
• 44:17
  S9: I'll give you some points for the music.
• 44:19
  S2: Thank you.
• 44:20
  S3: That was good. I like I like the second one.
• 44:22
  S3: You ended strong.
• 44:23
  S2: Play the music. When you tell the joke, it helps
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  S2: every time.
• 44:26
  S4: A little.
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