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Talks to Dylan Rees about The Stranger - More Than a Messiah · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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Well, we all have a face that we hideaway forever and we take
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them out and show ourselves when everyone has gone.
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Some are satin, some are steel, some are silk, and some are
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leather. They are the faces of the
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stranger but we love to try them on.
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Well, we all fall in love, but we disregard the danger.
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Though we share so many secrets, there are some we never tell.
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Why were you so surprised that you never saw the stranger?
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Did you ever let your lover see the stranger in yourself?
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Welcome back to the Guinea Pig with a Blunt Pen Knife, the not
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Doctor Who commentary podcast where we look at the stranger,
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which definitely isn't Doctor Who and this isn't definitely
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not a hamster. And I'm Dylan, and I am here
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with Joe Ford. And what, what are we watching?
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Joe, I don't know anymore. Today we are watching the second
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Stranger video, More Than a Messiah.
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Yes, we are. How exciting.
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What? Does that mean more than a
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Messiah? Means he's more than a Messiah.
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I mean, you know, when I first met you, yeah, I thought you was
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a Messiah. But now I've got to know you.
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You are more than a Messiah to me.
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Maybe it's commenting on Colin's expanding waistline.
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Well, pretty right? Do you know?
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This one is something else, isn't it?
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I've got a feeling you're less keen on this one.
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I am less keen on this one. I think it over stretches itself
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slightly in a way that the first film and the third film doesn't.
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Like can you leave please? I want to get Luke Malloy in
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because he loved this one. Well, yeah, no fair and but this
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is I didn't like it much as a kid and I do like it.
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I just it is my least favorite stranger film of all of them.
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Yes. Oh, I had a great time.
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I mean, I'm going to have a great time, but I feel like.
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I thought as if I was back on 4th beta.
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Well, yeah, bright skies. It's beautiful.
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I mean it is super. This is trying to be a big
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sci-fi story, isn't it with? Alien planets.
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Massive idea at its heart of an alien planet that can produce
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humanoid antibodies to interact with people to get rid of the
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virus which is our stranger Miss Brown and everybody visiting.
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Yeah. And the, the, the, what is it
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the airport they put on there or the heliport?
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So fun fact, this was supposed to be be shot in Lanzarote and
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it wasn't not shot there because of budget.
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It was because Colin Baker's wife was heavily pregnant.
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This was going to be shot in Lanzarote.
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Yeah, but instead they shot. Could afford that.
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Apparently so, I suppose, Doctor.
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Who went there, didn't they? Yeah, exactly.
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So it would have been all the volcanic planes and yeah,
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exactly that would be. Barbara Shelley.
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Wow Oh I you know you may fight me on this.
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I did feel there was some money on the screen in this one as.
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Well, I mean, yeah, it's it's not for want of trying.
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Does get a bit attempt to get a bit sexy in place?
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When you say attempt, you mean succeeds.
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You think it succeeds in sexy? I mean, you know, we've recently
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all shared the links of Doctor Screw, and I think that's the
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only thing that's less sexy and the sex scenes in this.
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I mean, did you ever want to see Colin Baker and Sophie Aldrin at
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it? Yeah.
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What's going on? I dream about it every time.
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Almost as much as I dream of. You and Luke Malloy, well,
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exactly. Dream.
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It's a reality. That's all.
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Born we go. NIT Briggs in the middle.
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I need for you to explain to me what on earth the subplot is all
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about in this, because I didn't have a clue what Peter Miles and
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Barbara Shelley were up to. Well, we'll, I think we'll get
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into that as we start watching, won't we?
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It's not a way of enticing me into pressing play.
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Yes, push my button. Here we go.
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You ready? In 321 Go.
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Does that tickle OK? Oh, we've got the logo.
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This. Time.
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Yeah. BBV.
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Bill bags. They're a company now.
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So it was actually, it's not actually for Bill Bags video,
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it's for Bill and Ben video with Ben being his partner.
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She was for some reason somehow involved in it to start with.
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She she later divorced him. Nigel.
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Fares, Nigel Fares. So this story is oh.
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Boy, look, it's like. On the speedboat now, is this
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this, this is Doctor Who's been off for his first gay couple.
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Is that your first? Are they a gay couple?
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Yes. Oh OK, right.
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So please explain to me what is occurring.
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A speedboat is zooming around on the water.
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And Peter Miles is pissed off about it and and Barbara Shelley
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is as well that immediately I'm going this doesn't work because
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you've got this green sky that is just not reflected in the
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water. So it looks like there there
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could be shots from two different films.
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It's not in my water, you know, they made the thing.
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Yeah, exactly. And they're littering, and
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somebody's just up the litter who's got a dirty brown hand.
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That was almost product placement.
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How many times did they have to do that?
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So the logo didn't land in the water?
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I mean, I will say that is quite casting.
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Barbara Shelley and Peter Marsh, you know, Shelley's.
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Oh, well, no. Was she Doctor Plaxton, like 7?
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I think she was I. Don't know, I don't know that
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dress for. One with the with the punk
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rockers in them. I can't remember Space bike
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what's going on now. That was Sophie Elder's hand
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sticking out of the water. A bit like Excalibur.
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Yeah, exactly. She loves being in a lake.
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Sophie Elder. She does look, Yeah.
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No, that green sky doesn't really work, does it?
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Do we ever see the sort of surface of the planet?
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I think it's mostly woods. Yeah, it's mostly woods.
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Yeah. So that they've.
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Been able to afford a speedboat. I think they're at like some
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sort of like, not Pontins. What's it called?
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What do you call them? The forest of.
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But why are we watching this pair sort of gallivanting about
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on the water? To show how reckless the young
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people are on this leisure planet.
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OK. But the planet's got other
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ideas, and it it's taken Nigel Fares's boyfriend.
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Now The thing is right, it would have been amazing in Lanzarote
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because the sea would have been Azure and the sky would have
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been full of it looks. Miserable, doesn't it?
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But it's quite clearly in a pond that is a foot deep.
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In fact, I think he's on. The ground there, absolutely.
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Bless him. So this is the planet basically
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trying to rid itself. Of yeah, of all these nasty
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human elements. And there's Colin and there's
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red Trousers looking like a boss.
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This is just the beginning of my war.
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Well, they've got the the cliffs behind them.
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Anybody. Now he's he's going to chain her
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up to the cliffs and the toy. Exactly.
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Once again, she's wearing appropriate clothing.
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She looks a bit like she does in Revelation of the Dark, that
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sort of nice blue. Yeah.
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Oh yeah, those red trousers are. I don't know, look cool.
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There's a lot of different colours on the screen there,
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isn't it? I feel like I'm watching Tom and
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the Ronnie again. I imagine that they were
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providing their own clothes. Well, you know, in that book
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downtime, you know, I did read Caroline John saying she got
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very crossword built bags. He's just throw anything on,
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don't worry about continuity. And she brought in 10 outfits
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and she goes, no, I was wearing this in day one, this in day 2.
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So they're just on holiday here. Yeah, and so Miss Brown's pissed
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off again because she's, like you said, no more of this.
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And he's like, I want to go to the beach for a nap.
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But they're having a laugh, you know?
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Yeah, no, no, they're, they're clearly getting on much better,
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but what a miserable place to go visit.
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It's a bit again like Doctor Who, isn't it?
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You promised the Eye of Orion you'd get Shangri-La in Wales,
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so it's nice, yeah. So it's a little chalet in
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centre parks, that's what it is. Isn't it is that?
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Where they are? I think so, yeah.
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They've. Got them higher the chalet.
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Yeah. And what they they all stayed in
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those chalets, but they have corrugated iron roofs.
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So the weather kept them, the rain kept them awake at night
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where everyone looks a bit knackered and then.
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We've got look these alien plants here, which is cutting.
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Well, production designed Peter Miles has been basically.
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So they've come just to hunt, yeah.
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No, he's been given a sort of permanent leave from his job and
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he's been sent here to recuperate because he's
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basically as we find that he's having a mentee be.
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OK, that's quite a quite serious subject matter.
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Yeah, and he goes slowly more nuts throughout it.
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So this started life as an audio visual written by Nigel Fairs,
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starring Nicholas Briggs as the Doctor.
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It's part of that, that range of audios.
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And then it was adapted for this for video.
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So Fairs is interesting, isn't he?
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Because then he did jump across to Big Finish.
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He was instrumental in the star of the Companion Chronicles.
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He did the first couple of seasons.
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He does. He's he's also my word.
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What was that? Oh yeah, so that's the weird
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native ape creature that just doesn't look very good.
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Before he goes to Big Finish, he is the He runs the Faction
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Paradox range and the last season of Audios at BBV and
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Catherine knows. Aren't we at one point?
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Are we going to do the other? Ones or the other ones?
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No, we're. Going to do the other ones
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because the faction paradox, The scripts are great, but Nigel
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Fairs admitted afterwards that he didn't understand them and he
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also didn't realise they were supposed to be like a faction of
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Time Lords and things like that, so he pitches them completely
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differently to anything else. And the other ones, really good
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though, yeah. Fantastic.
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The magic bullet ones. Yeah, I'm super intrigued by
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those. But do you know what?
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I I have an issue with ES because as we've been doing
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Finish Big, we've done a number of his Tomorrow People audios.
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He does quite a lot of those. And he's a big ideas man, but
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he's terrible at structuring scripts a lot of the time.
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And yeah, so, so he sort of loses his ideas and he puts in a
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lot of characters in his stories and I, I always feel like he
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just needs a bloody good script editor.
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Yeah, the problem is he's usually the script editor.
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He is. Yes, he is.
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Oh, Oh no. Now look, I don't mind the green
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sky. When it's a shot of the cliffs,
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that looks quite effective. When it's a person silhouetted
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against it, well, I can see the line.
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Yeah, you feel like you're in a bad Cape Push video, don't you?
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She's running up that. Running up that beach.
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That's right. It's great.
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I've just nearly drowned acting by Nigel Fairs there.
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I think it was a good performance to be honest.
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He does. He does.
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He did during lockdown. He wrote, I can't, I don't want
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to say the Wendy Moore's mysteries, but it was something
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like that. It was a series of online murder
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mysteries and he he was giving actors who didn't have the
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opportunity to work to do these sort of Zoom call murder
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mysteries. Well, he does.
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That's what he does in or it did.
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I don't know whether he still does, but he he ran murder
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mystery weekends. I think he's a talent.
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I just like all talents, sometimes you need people to go
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chill out a bit, right? Or just edit them a little bit.
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Yeah. Peter Miles, though, he's got a
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pretend gun now. He's shooting nothing.
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But again, it is well shot. Like it's probably not as
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impressive as the other two in terms of the lighting and stuff,
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but that's because they're on location in daylight for most of
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it. So like, what can you actually
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do? Funny enough, whilst I wasn't
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entirely sure Miles knew what was occurring, I did think
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Barbara Shelley knew what was happening.
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Yeah, but at the end, when she has to get very emotional, she's
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proper in there, you know? Apparently she was a real
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calming influence on set because Bill Bags felt like he bit off
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more they could chew with this one.
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He said he tried to shoot too much and there was a lot of
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compromises he made and she apparently when stress was high
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she just went round and spoke to everybody and made him laugh and
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calmed him down. Well, good on her.
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Interestingly, the approach in the third one is the opposite of
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this, isn't it? Now, I don't think it's not
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ambitious, but they they choose a single location and just shoot
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the hell out of it, don't they? You know, Yeah, because, yeah,
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here he is. Wow.
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He opened with an action set piece, for God's sake.
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But how? Much were.
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These made on you reckon? Excuse me?
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Well, I think the first, I said the first one was 5 grand, but
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this can't be more than like 10 grand.
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Something like that. Grand.
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Yeah, that's nothing. You couldn't make a short film
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for five. Grand.
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Oh dear. Well, now look when we had to
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set a location for what we do. Please, these woods.
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I know. Sophie's in the Bush.
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Somewhat sinister in the Bush. Keeping an eye now I'm I'm going
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to be serious later when I talk about the acting styles of
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Sophie Aldred and Nicola Bryan. Yeah, I don't want you to beat
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me up because you're in my presence.
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I won't you're. Starting with this, there is a
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contrast, isn't it? It's a shame.
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I mean, I love Sophie Aldridge, but I don't know whether this is
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a role she's best suited to, you know?
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I'm having unnatural thoughts about Nigel Fairs of.
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Course you are. Do you want you want to see
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what's up his dressing? Isn't that a robe?
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But he's got his chest exposed. His penis is just there.
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He's not wearing any pants. He was definitely a gay man,
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weren't he? I mean, still is.
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I don't want to count. But he didn't give it up for
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lunch. Was he?
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No, he wasn't in a relationship with John Hayes.
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Yeah, that was Gary Russell. Yeah.
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He's a pretty man. Look at him.
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He's a very pretty. Man I was thinking about his
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boyfriend that he was so great on the back of a jet ski.
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RIP Mark. That's not the only thing he was
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good on the back of. Wow.
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I mean, you would look at him. No, no, look, you've got the
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fire blanket from the. Show I mean, I've got you've got
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to be honest though, you still need health and safety and fire
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blankets in the. Future on alien planets?
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Yeah, in English, fire has. Happened that, Yeah, but this is
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a colony, isn't it? So it's the humans had come here
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to turn it into a recreational planet.
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Oh look, he's doing some serious emotional.
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Actors, is your boyfriend dead? He's he's doing a good job.
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If that was my mark, all right, you'd have me in floods.
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Oh my. God, it's light from ghost
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light. No, she's wearing an outfit.
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It's just the the the. It's a bit netty, isn't it?
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I mean, the silhouette was very felt, sure to say.
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So she's just stepped in the way of a of a deer that he was going
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to shoot. Yeah.
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It's it's all of the life on the planet, all part of the planet.
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Is it all one massive Organism? It's not so much that it's, it's
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a massive Organism, it's just it's a symbiotic sort of
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relationship and. I mean, OK, Dylan, I'm going to
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pitch something to you now. OK?
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We're in the office. I'm going to pitch to you.
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Right. OK.
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I want to do this. Yeah.
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Amateur film. I'm going to bring together some
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skilled actors. Yeah.
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And I want to do a story about a sentient planet that creates
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antibodies, that falls in love with the central character.
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OK, I'm going to have speed boats.
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I'm going to have caves. I'm in.
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And I'm not going to do it all on 10 grand.
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Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't, I wouldn't
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be able to Commission that. How much would you sort of
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guesstimate that would cost? Just very quickly we've, we've
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cut back to this is supposed to be the teleport that we have,
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the space station, the docking station, but all we've got is a
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computer in a room with people running around.
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It's funny. I mean, if you pitch this as a,
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as an actual film now, like this would probably cost you
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£2,000,000. But if you were going to make a
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low budget version like this, I think you'd still be looking at
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like 100 grand. Wow.
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So I think it's worth saying this is quite an achievement.
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It is on the screen. I just think it's, I think it's
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too big of a leap for, you know, what they're trying to achieve.
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They just don't get there. I I, I really like to see it
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because I just thought the ideas were so quirky.
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The ideas are great, you know, so now are.
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You thinking she's? Naked, yeah, but this is the
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thing. Everybody thinks she's naked,
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but she's she's wearing. Clothes.
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She's wearing a body stocking that's sort of fleshy coloured.
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Yeah, if she was a bit dirty. Well, she is a bit dirty.
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She's very dirty in The Cave. Yeah, I don't.
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I don't think Sophie Eldra's very dirty though.
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It's real life, Yeah. No, no, no, as.
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I can't see her turning up in Doctor Screw.
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You know, that's the one thing she would say no to.
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Yeah. Oh, look at that skeleton look.
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Yeah, they found a corpse of one of the natives.
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So essentially what's occurring is Sophie Aldrin's going around
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this planet murdering everyone on it.
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Oh oh God, we've got the native now that.
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That truly is Poundland, Planet of the Apes.
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Yeah, like. Somebody, somebody should have
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said, is this a good idea? And the answer was no.
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You. Could have done it with just a
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very primitive human sort of caver.
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Skulls style. Oh yeah, some subtle makeup
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would have done. That's an actual mask they've
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got from Poundland, isn't it? Or somewhere like that.
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Oh no, Nigel Fairs is dead now. No, I think face down in the
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leash. Great.
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We've got Peter Miles and Sophie Aldrin murdering people left,
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right, centre. Yeah, Peter Miles.
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It's like a Doctor Who convention, isn't it?
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Peter Miles has shot Nigel. Fairs.
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Now where are these caves? I think it's walkie hole but I
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could be wrong. I'll tell you what, he gets some
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value out of this location. Look at this.
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That's a lovely shot, isn't it? They're sort of shooting through
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a little cave thing, this water. It looks really good.
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And she she's making a lovely medicinal brew.
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I'm going to, So hang on. If she's killing everybody else,
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yeah, that's infecting the planet.
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Why is she so nice to the stranger?
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Because she she thinks he's a right sort.
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Woolly here for me. You know, they get into the
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healing waters like and they wow.
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Exactly you. See Colin Baker's impressive
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moves. Yeah, she, she fancies him.
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She's like, I love me a bit of Colin Baker.
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He's not like all the others. Do you know what I I actually
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think had he been any other actress, and I don't mean
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because of her talent, just because she played ace, this
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wouldn't be as jarring as it is. Yeah, if Barbara Shelley had
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played the I mean, I'm not sure I'd want to see her naked
19:44
either, but it just wouldn't be as weird as the Sick Doctor and
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Ace naked in Healing Waters. I don't think she's the right
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person to cast for this role. I don't think it's in her
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wheelhouse, but she gives it her all.
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Do you know when we did Shakedown and she played Maori?
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That was a yeah. She was great.
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Brilliant casting choice. I don't think he's a great
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performance, but it's so against time.
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It's so entertaining. But here, yeah.
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Maybe be me being disingenuous to say that she gives her best
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acting in this particular piece when she isn't saying any
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dialogue. Yeah, no, I think, I think
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you're right. I don't know where he's been
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shown. Notice that on this alien planet
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in the future now they're all sort of wearing jeans.
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Well, yeah, black jeans. They wear they wear jeans in
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Star Wars, mate. So I'm not.
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I don't. Know anyone would think it was
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filmed on Earth? Well, maybe it was.
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They didn't. They didn't go to another planet
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to shoot this lazy. This bill bag's already losing.
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He had 10 grand to work with here.
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I don't. Know whether it was 10 grand,
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but I imagine it was about. I think if you get in touch with
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Elon now and offer him 10 grand, you can get us a seat on the
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shuttle to miles. Excellent.
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So what's do we know what Peter Miles back story is?
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Well, yeah, he was. He was given that involuntary
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leave. But like, his mental health is
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making and go, oh, they've put me here because they want me to,
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you know, look after things. Now these caves again are
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looking great. Beautiful.
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And now imagine. This there they are.
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OHS beautiful now. No, but they're in the healing
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waters. Everybody makes out like they
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were fucking in this city or. Something the trouble with it
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is, is the the camera stays on them far too long and Colin
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Baker looks like he's having an orgasm.
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That's the problem. I mean, wouldn't you be?
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I suppose you wouldn't. I mean, it looks like he's
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bumming Sophie Aldridge for I. Would bum a planet if I got a
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chance. If someone was like, all right,
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I'm a planet, you'll want to bum me.
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I'll be like, yeah, I've never bombed a planet before.
21:47
Would you bum a planet in the shape of Sophie?
21:49
Aldridge, yeah, I do think she's an attractive woman.
21:52
But Oh no, but you come on, you'd much rather bum a planet
21:56
than like Nicola Bryan. Absolutely.
21:58
So, I mean, she's beautiful. She is.
22:00
I mean, would you bum? A planet than like Colin Baker.
22:02
Absolutely not. I would just to say I've done.
22:08
It just to say you've done it. Well, unfortunately, we can only
22:11
get you Peter Miles. I go to a convention.
22:13
I say you see him there. I've had him.
22:15
I've had him when he was a planet.
22:18
Oh, dear. Now, what I do like about Miss
22:21
Brown in this one, though, is that she's sort of doing the
22:24
Rose Tyler role. You know, when you just go and
22:26
meet all of the periphery characters and you just sort of,
22:30
you know, you listen to them and you have nice emotional scenes.
22:33
Yeah. Yeah, no, she's having a great
22:35
time. She said she's got to do
22:37
something whilst he's off with Sophie Aldridge, yeah.
22:39
Yeah, though she gets a good subplot in both of them, so.
22:42
Trouble with these scenes in The Cave is that one shot, just that
22:47
one shot of Colin and Sophie naked.
22:50
That's the only thing people remember from this whole story.
22:53
And everybody goes. They were shagging.
22:55
And just like the very shots before that where the camera was
22:58
panning across rookie hole or wherever it was looking.
23:01
Film makers, Fuck yeah. There's so much more to this.
23:05
Everybody just thinks that Colin sees Sophie's Wookie hell.
23:08
Do you think they've got just one of those sort of hideous
23:11
sort of Dead Sea mud packs and put it on her face?
23:14
That's why she's. I don't understand why he's so
23:17
knackered. Do you know what?
23:20
A fool? No, but he was knackered
23:23
beforehand. Think about the last time you
23:26
had it off, right? Yeah.
23:28
Was you knackered afterwards? Yeah, I wanted.
23:29
To have a little sleep, so sometimes a bath and sleep, you
23:33
know. I like her muddy face, I think
23:36
it looks good. I like her sort of sea devil
23:38
netting that she's got. On.
23:40
You know. Oh no, look, she can't resist
23:43
him. Such beauty.
23:46
Is it? Is it Terrace Dicks right in
23:48
this? Maybe he loves.
23:51
He fucking does. Doesn't.
23:54
He a bit of blood on the screen. Yeah, there we go.
23:57
He's woken up. It was only grazed.
23:59
No, now that shot there that looks like they are literally in
24:03
some hotel. They.
24:05
Could be in my nan's kitchen in 1992.
24:10
Barbara Shelley, you are game. Look at those horrible curtains.
24:13
Yeah, they are horrendous. There's a horrendous armchair in
24:19
there as well. If I was to like, if I was to
24:23
say to you, you know, independent company Dylan Reece
24:27
creating the latest Doctor Who spin off media, that's not
24:30
Doctor Who. So how ambitious would you be?
24:34
Would you be ambitious? Or sort of in memory alone.
24:38
It depends what the budget was. I'm going to give you 50 grand
24:41
you'll. Give me 50 grand, I wouldn't do
24:43
it. Yeah, you got to try and make
24:47
something of it though, you know, be creative.
24:48
Then I'd go down the memory alone thing.
24:51
It's like 2 location well. A train platform.
24:53
Yeah, and Belief Beneath BBC Nottingham is where the rest of
24:58
it was filmed and I'd have 3 cast members and do it like
25:02
that, yeah. 50 grand, is that all it would get you now?
25:05
Well, yeah. Inflation.
25:06
Inflation and also you don't want to overstretch.
25:09
You can be ambitious without overstretching yourself.
25:12
You know pills in the future, they look very like Anadin that
25:17
you get from boots. But in the in the future, Anadin
25:20
actually is the brand that takes over all pills.
25:23
Oh, really? Yeah, I love you've got a.
25:26
Lot of Have you not seen the Anadin wars?
25:29
The spin off? Oh yeah, Big Finish Boxer, 13 of
25:33
them. Doctor Who Time War Anadin so.
25:40
But this is serious for a second.
25:43
This is trying to show a more romantic side to the Doctor as a
25:48
stranger. Sorry, isn't it?
25:51
But I don't know whether it's saying that he's a ladies man.
25:54
It's just. That we haven't seen him fucking
25:56
everybody, no being essential. The pitch is a a planet falls in
26:01
love with the Time Lord, essentially which.
26:03
A good pitch. Yeah, exactly.
26:06
In fact, I'll buy that more than forgive me, you know Amy Pond
26:10
throwing him on the bed and. All that you leave Amy Pond
26:12
alone. You know what?
26:12
I. Mean that that's more Doctor
26:15
Who, yeah, than some old slapper just trying to corner him in a
26:18
bedroom. Where did she get that jumper?
26:21
Well, changed of the subject. Yeah, no, no, no.
26:23
It's just the thing of, I mean, it's knitted out a wall, a
26:27
jumper. Yeah, well, didn't you know in
26:29
the future? No, I can't do it.
26:30
Not as good as you anyway, I think.
26:33
She took one look at his bright red trousers and and was in
26:36
love. It's understanding for the great
26:37
trousers. Do you have red trousers like
26:39
that? I've never really had red ones.
26:41
I think I've got some red tracksuit bombs.
26:43
I've got some orange tracksuit bombs.
26:45
Do you know what? Well, I believe you.
26:49
Oh, it looks like they might kiss Sophie.
26:55
She wants. She get off Colin Sophie.
26:58
She wants the Doctor to stay with her and, you know, protect
27:02
the planet together. Luxurious.
27:04
And then right when she when the antibody becomes Nick O'Brien,
27:08
she turns into this evil victim. Doesn't she with great eye
27:11
makeup? Absolutely vicious.
27:14
And that was the point where I thought Nicola O'Brien was
27:17
wasted in Doctor. If she can deliver stuff like
27:20
that, what's he doing now? What is Peter Masters?
27:25
He's going mad, he thinks there's an enemy out to attack
27:27
him and he's got to defend the place.
27:30
Oh dude, I sat on the remote. That's not the remote we got.
27:34
No. Barbara Shelley does look a bit
27:38
like Deborah Watling doesn't. She, but she can act, yes.
27:42
So, you know, there's a huge difference there.
27:46
I really just want to get back to Connor Baker though, you
27:48
know, really, that's where all the action.
27:50
Is. Yeah, well, it certainly was for
27:52
him. So in So the Messiah is Sophie
27:56
Aldridge? Yeah.
27:58
Yeah, I think so. Or it could be the doctor, the
28:01
stranger. Fuck, he's more than a Messiah.
28:06
He's naked. You know how like actors when
28:10
they know they're going to, You know when Chris Barry got
28:13
stripped down naked in that episode of Red Dwarf series 5
28:17
and he works out in the gym and great Charles sort of pissed out
28:19
of him a lot. He goes.
28:20
There's no way it was that ripped normally.
28:23
Well, I think Connie Baker do it for this more than a Messiah.
28:25
He doesn't get his kit off. Oh, he doesn't.
28:27
Just saw his chest. Maybe he is not as body
28:32
conscious. As Chris Barry, do you remember
28:35
him in the first episode of Jonathan Creek?
28:38
The very first scene he gets on the phone and says to the woman,
28:40
I want you to get over here and bounce on me like a bouncy ball.
28:47
Is it or is is that the thing where he says I want to make you
28:49
squeal like a sea lion? The.
28:52
One what a line? What a line.
28:54
Wait, that opened the series? Colin Baker during that Playboy
28:58
Colin and then murdered by in the second scene.
29:02
All right, Play We are like the universe is a poorer place for
29:08
not having Colin Baker be be a bigger television star than he
29:12
was. When he was asked in his Big Big
29:14
Finish interview with Nick Briggs what his because, you
29:17
know, he's obviously done a ton of theatre and that I think
29:20
that's his natural home, right? His star with theatrical is to
29:23
deliver to the back of the room. He said his favorite, his
29:28
favorite media was television. He said there was something
29:31
really interesting about the relationship you have with the
29:34
camera that he just loved exploring.
29:38
And he just was sad that he hadn't done more TV.
29:41
That's so sad. Oh, my word, the planet is
29:44
angry. Sophie is.
29:47
Oh, actually, look at the look at the shadow.
29:50
I know. That's really well lit, isn't
29:52
it? It's.
29:52
Like she's been summoned by that shadow.
29:53
It is. It is.
29:56
And there was a shot just there where you saw a boulder coming
30:00
across and trapping Colin in Wookie Hole.
30:03
Yeah, he's trapped in Sophie's hole.
30:07
There are the worst ways to go. But as we've already suggested,
30:13
and not a lot of that goes on, she's a happy married woman, you
30:16
know? I know.
30:18
Vince Henderson. That's it before.
30:20
That she was with Les Dennis, wasn't she?
30:23
Was she? Yeah.
30:24
What is up with the choices of Sophie Aldrin and Billy Piper?
30:28
Well, the car that she's driving around in, in her myth makers,
30:32
is Les Dennis's car. Oh boy, anyone listening to this
30:35
go check that out. She takes you around all of her
30:38
childhood. They should have all been a bit
30:41
like that. Shouldn't.
30:41
They yeah, we could go and relive that to we go to
30:45
everywhere Sophie Aldridge used to live 0.
30:47
Please. OK, We'll do the BBV tour first.
30:50
Yeah, We can make a bit of money out of this.
30:51
Yeah, BBV tour and then the Myth Makers tours.
30:54
Sounds good. The Hamster Too Hot for TV
30:57
Location tours will be coming to you in 2025.
31:01
It's only £100 per location and you get a free badge saying I
31:06
was robbed by Dylan Rees and Joe.
31:08
Ford, do you know what's sad about that?
31:11
People would probably come. They wouldn't pay £100.
31:13
No, but they would probably do. I bet you I it would be like
31:17
those bit BFI screens, right? They go on sale, right?
31:21
We're done in 5 minutes. Right in guys, if we get enough
31:24
people we we are going to do a BBV tour next year, location
31:29
tour. You've only got to pay a tenner
31:32
and your lunch. Exactly what's the tenner for?
31:37
Our fee. Yeah, our fee.
31:39
We're not doing this for the love of.
31:41
BBV and myth makers you might be.
31:44
I reckon if we all chipped in a tenor we could get bill bags to
31:48
come and do it with us. Oh, my God, yes, please.
31:52
Now I thought, well, this was quite nice.
31:54
It's it's sort of shots of the sea, shots of the forest.
31:58
It's trying to, you know, show that she is the planet.
32:02
She is the planet, yeah. Have we done a a living planet
32:07
in Doctor Who before? We did a living Sun in 42.
32:10
Well, that's still to come. Well, yeah.
32:12
Before this, I don't think we have.
32:16
We've done a hollow planet. We've done a lot of hollow
32:19
stories as well. Indeed, I'm trying to think of a
32:23
living planet and. You know what?
32:25
I'm going to say something controversial.
32:27
Go on. I actually think you could
32:28
probably excise Peter Miles and Barbra Shelley and have this as
32:31
half an hour. Yeah.
32:32
And just do the story of stranger Miss Brown.
32:35
Absolutely, but then at the same time they add a bit of charisma
32:39
to it, don't they? Because Colin's story is quite
32:42
serious here and we said the first one was a little bit dour,
32:45
so that looks so cold. Poor Sophie has just come out of
32:50
the sea. Hang on.
32:53
Colin took his coat off to give to her, and now they're both
32:57
wearing the coat. It's because he was wearing 2
33:00
coats. Is that what he does?
33:02
It's very, very cold. There.
33:04
Oh no, he's he's looked at it and gone.
33:06
Is that? Bryant or somewhere must be.
33:08
It looks miserable enough to be the South Coast and I live on
33:12
the South. Coast, so I imagine if it was
33:14
here we go in our imperial face. This is Nicola Bryant now
33:19
playing the the planet that's pissed.
33:22
Yeah, that's an angry planet, not a drunk planet.
33:25
This was the bit where I was in love with the story.
33:30
So the doctor, he's very confused.
33:32
I don't love or hate, I just experience and she's like you
33:37
bastard, you convinced me that you love me.
33:39
But this, this is a bit more doctor, isn't it?
33:42
It sounds like him that doesn't. It I mean he doesn't do the like
33:45
love or hate hate. Hate.
33:48
But I love her eye maker. She I'd have her there.
33:56
She looks hot as hell. Joe Ford converted heterosexual.
34:01
Nicola, leave, leave Fountain and come to me.
34:05
I can offer you very little, but you know.
34:08
Oh, look at this. So she throws her hands in the
34:10
air. They.
34:11
Lighten. We get lightning, and then the
34:13
planet does a bit of an Evil Dead thing.
34:15
Why? Was she never a villain in
34:17
Doctor Who? So the planet does a bit of an
34:19
evil dead thing. I mean where the branches of
34:22
trees grab her. Obviously they don't sexually
34:24
assault her like the branches doing the Evil dead, but.
34:26
Season 22 was honest, you know, she's tied up on the fountain
34:30
rocks and that enormous Venus comes after her.
34:32
Oh my God, she's like Maleficent now.
34:36
Isn't she? Oh, I love it.
34:40
Do you reckon that bill bags may have a slight spike in sales
34:43
when we put these out? I hope.
34:45
So. Just two people, two people get
34:47
in touch and say you bought these, we'll be happy.
34:49
Yeah, let us know. Did we force you to part with
34:52
£20 a yield money? Because if we do, it's I'm very
34:56
happy that Bill Bass can pay his electricity bill this.
34:58
Month and you guys get to come on the location tour for free.
35:01
That's right. But he like, he's building
35:05
tension here, like it does feel like we're coming to the climax.
35:10
This is the sort of melodrama I want my life to be like.
35:13
Sentient planets raining lightning down because they are
35:17
spurned lovers. Well, quite.
35:20
You mean ask Mark? This is sort of what I'll if he
35:22
leaves the light on upstairs, I'll start throwing lightning
35:25
about the house. Do you think of yourself as a
35:28
sentient planet? I'm the size of a sentient.
35:31
No, you are not. Oh, Peter Miles, man, will you
35:36
put that gun down? What if that goes off?
35:38
Wow, classic Peter Miles. I don't want to know what that
35:44
means. I see you who was sitting and
35:48
told me that someone invited them.
35:50
Peter Miles invited them round and I played a load of jazz.
35:53
So you he's been, I've been to his house, but he didn't play me
35:56
any. No, he.
35:56
Just said it. That was it, yeah.
35:59
Yeah. That's not a euphemism, by the
36:01
way. He genuinely just put something
36:02
on the gramophone. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure.
36:04
I think it was a gramophone as well.
36:06
He's quite an old man. He used to have students live
36:09
with him, so he had a little flat in I think it was Ealing
36:13
and he'd rent out the spare room to students.
36:17
He was, by all accounts, an extremely eccentric man.
36:20
Who was? Wasn't he?
36:22
It's hilarious. Have you heard him on the
36:24
invasion of the dinosaurs commentary?
36:26
Yeah, No, sorry. The Silurians 1 where he's
36:31
turning off Caroline, John going these disgusting lizards coming
36:36
into and she's going Peter. It's not real.
36:39
He's just having fun with her. He's an odd character.
36:43
I do hope the safety is on that come home.
36:45
I'm hoping it's not really. Wanting it.
36:47
Nicola Bryan. He's not going to kill her.
36:48
We know this. We've she's still alive, unless
36:51
you died last night or something.
36:55
I think this was filmed a little further back than that.
36:58
You know, this is definitely longer than the first one, isn't
37:01
it? I do think there's enough plot
37:04
though. There's enough bubbling a lot.
37:06
Yeah, I guess so. I just, I've never been that
37:08
fond of this one. There they are.
37:10
They're going to barricading the door with some IKEA furniture.
37:15
Bill bags is there going do not destroy the Centre Park's
37:18
furniture. All right.
37:18
The budget does not rest go to that well.
37:21
Now they've just sort of over saturated everything to suggest
37:26
the sky is very bright. Actually hurting my eyes a
37:28
little bit, I'm not going to lie.
37:30
You know, did you ever experiments with psychoactive
37:33
drugs when you were younger? Yes.
37:34
Was it a bit like this? No, it was a lot more dull to be
37:37
honest. Oh, that's really Come on, let's
37:39
get some shrooms and watch someone by shadows and more than
37:42
the. Psycho No, in memory alone would
37:44
be amazing drugs. You know, it's not what I used
37:47
to watch when I used to have the cigarette.
37:50
Archer. Maybe an Archer.
37:52
I do. Yeah.
37:52
Yeah. It was absolutely hilarious.
37:54
When you're high, you know. Can I give you some advice?
37:58
Go on. Next time you're in Amsterdam.
38:00
Yeah. If they say to you, well, if you
38:02
do go, you know, we'll do it as the tour arc of Infinity.
38:07
They say to you that muffin is strong.
38:09
Eat it slowly. Fucking eat it slowly.
38:12
All right? Because there was me.
38:13
I too, and thought I knew better.
38:16
Well, I really, it's like Captain Jack.
38:18
I lost the next two days of my life.
38:20
I don't know what happened. Wow, that hurt a lot though.
38:26
I when I was in my late teens, early 20s, and I used to go out
38:31
clubbing and get home very late. I, I got into a habit of getting
38:35
in and just in time for the UK goal Doctor Who repeat to start.
38:40
So I'd be is. It 7.
38:43
Yeah, something like that. And I was, I know I'd sit and
38:46
watch that a little bit worse for.
38:48
Wear interested in the October more what you were doing until
38:52
7:00 in the morning. Partying hard.
38:55
Too hard. Could you do it now?
38:58
No absolutely not. I went to bed at half 12 last
39:01
night and I'm knackered today. I'm 41 years old, I don't have a
39:10
567 AM finish in me anymore. I mean, I did night shifts
39:14
recently and they were miserable.
39:15
I got to 2:00 in the morning and I was so depressed every single
39:19
night. What's going on now?
39:21
What's interesting here is he's being a little bit more cosy
39:24
with her when she looks like Nicola Bryant, which I mean,
39:27
he's only human, but. Yes, do.
39:30
You think Colin and Nicola are ever shagged?
39:32
No, no I don't. I think they are the best of
39:35
friends. In fact, there was a wonderful
39:38
interview with Mick O'Brien and she said Colin Baker has been
39:42
there for me in all the worst parts of my life.
39:45
He's always at the end of a phone.
39:46
I just think a beautiful friendship in that.
39:49
Oh God, that marks. Yeah, it's no, it's no Davison
39:52
and Sarah Sutton, is it? I don't want.
39:55
To. Know Jesus Christ?
39:57
Is that who Gary Downey was talking about in that interview?
39:59
I don't know, but that's been a rumour in fandom for years,
40:01
hasn't it? But.
40:03
She was my favorite companion. I bet she was.
40:06
But I do think in latter day big Finishes, you just can hear the
40:12
Colin Nicola friendship in their performances.
40:15
It's. And they're always great when
40:16
they're on the stage together as well, aren't they?
40:18
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. But then also Sylvester and
40:21
Sophie. Yeah, You know, I think that's a
40:23
beautiful friendship. To be honest, yeah.
40:25
Yeah, no, you're right. There's a good rapport between
40:28
Davidson and most of his team. I know they take the piss out of
40:32
Matthew Waterhouse mainly but. What's so interesting is that
40:35
Davidson is considered the the Nice Doctor.
40:39
And yeah, I think Davidson is a snarky bitch, whereas Colin
40:42
Baker's considered the acerbic Dr. and even though I know he
40:45
has his moments, I still think he's quite a nice bloke.
40:48
You know, yeah, agreed. And Mccoy's just gorgeous.
40:51
He's just a nice guy. I mean, he's bonkers, isn't he?
40:56
Fifi from Happiness Patrol. Who's the oldest one?
41:00
Of three of them. Yeah, is it Colin or Sylves I?
41:02
Think it's Colin, probably. He's got to be mid 80s now.
41:07
I mean, look at this. Firstly, there's the Nichols
41:10
playing this sentient planet. Yeah, Colin is playing the
41:12
Doctor. They're in Wookie Howe.
41:14
They could have had Doctor's stories like this.
41:16
Yeah, no, Sophie's back. Suddenly the acton's taken a
41:23
dive. Oh, fuck me.
41:26
She's got an enormous knife. Yeah, she's threatening him.
41:30
You know, you just sort of squint.
41:32
It could be mind warp. Yeah, I mean, if yeah, it does
41:35
feel a bit mind warp, feels a bit battlefield in places, but
41:38
do. You know what the biggest
41:39
difference is? I think this is just far more
41:41
character focus. We're in the 90s now, aren't we?
41:44
Where introspection was the order of the day.
41:49
And you know, Colin and Nicola and Doctor Who, they just missed
41:52
that boat. It wasn't it, you know, It
41:55
wasn't happening. Then they were a little behind
41:56
the times, as it was in Doctor Who.
41:58
Well, it sort of came in with Cartmel, didn't it?
42:00
That's when we became character focused again.
42:03
I would have loved to have seen Perry go on that sort of ace
42:06
journey. Not that journey.
42:08
No, but like half an hour. Yeah, because her they try in
42:13
the in the last two stories they do try with her wanting to go
42:16
home, but they so much could have been done with.
42:18
That yeah, it's insane how the only story you really properly
42:23
get their relationship at like a good level is the mysterious
42:26
planet. Yeah.
42:28
And then such a good level. Though and then they fuck it for
42:32
not her last story. But she is.
42:34
I mean all those sitcom scenes with Brah.
42:36
Bless it. Oh I love this story, my warp.
42:42
OK, well look, my Affairs has bought the.
42:46
They've sprayed a bit of water on the the monkey mask to make
42:51
it look. They're doing their best sort.
42:52
Of organic. It doesn't look like a monkey,
42:55
Yeah. I'm going back to you now,
42:58
putting on these productions. Yeah, you try to kind of say,
43:01
you know what, we'll reshoot that.
43:03
Yeah, again. Or we won't use the mask, we'll
43:06
just have it as a person. The problem with the the mask is
43:09
that they've also put a wig on it, so it's not like this messy
43:12
haircut. Yeah, we've all made mistakes
43:16
with wigs. Jesus, have we?
43:18
Yeah. I wore an Afro to my mom's 60th.
43:21
Oh, my good God. I never lived it down.
43:27
But Peter Miles, will you stop getting it?
43:28
Do you know who he is? He's the Gebec of this story.
43:31
Do you know Gebec is? What from Monster and.
43:33
Puzzle. That's right, he only exists to
43:36
get in the way of the plot and keep things moving.
43:38
Right? Right.
43:39
And if he wasn't there, we'd be over 15 minutes ago.
43:43
Oh shit, he shot the planet. I never thought I'd say these
43:47
words, but Gebec has just shot Sophie Aldridge.
43:50
Yeah. Tax, Yeah, no.
43:54
Did you see that angle? I'm so filled with that.
43:56
Yeah, it wasn't, Wasn't. I don't want to say what I saw,
43:58
but I don't think she's trimmed she.
44:00
Saw walking how? I saw her walking.
44:05
How yes. Oh my, you know, has she done
44:10
those Photoshop shit, you know? No, we're about six or seven
44:14
years away from them. Yeah, man.
44:15
I mean, to be fair, she's very sexy in those she does.
44:20
She's got her hair down and it's just above the tip so it's not
44:23
too bad. Yeah, the the 90s fan wank.
44:27
Bang. Did you just wank the starter
44:29
pack? When, Oh fuck me, the planets
44:35
blowing up. That's quite an ambitious
44:37
effect, Shawn, isn't it? It doesn't quite convince, but I
44:40
see what they're doing. They're throwing rocks about
44:43
Wookey Hole now. They're doing their best Star
44:47
Trek what the reactors say. He's falling about all over the
44:51
place. He's channelling his in a
44:53
Shatner. Yeah, they all are, you know.
44:56
Get these polo starring rocks. Fantastic heavy rock acting.
45:01
There's these all sort of things we like in science witches and
45:03
they're throwing yourself about color, starring rocks, planets
45:07
blowing up. You know that there he he, he
45:13
must have found that hole in the wall and gone.
45:15
My God, it's. Like an ancient glory hole.
45:19
Oh. Have you ever used the glory
45:22
hole? No, honestly, I used to get
45:24
scared I was going to buy it off, you know?
45:27
There was a video that went viral wasn't there, about
45:29
someone who flees in a toilet and a Dick comes through the
45:33
glory hole and he gets his lighter out and puts it on the
45:35
on the Dick. No, yeah, they set his pubes on
45:39
fire. No, just just the shaft.
45:40
Oh. Well, I'll never do it again
45:43
now, thank you. I don't.
45:46
I'm happily in a relationship. Oh no, now Barbara Shelley is
45:52
going full method. There she was, stroking Peter
45:55
Marles head covered in blood, the planets blowing up, rocks
46:00
everywhere. But no, she chose to save them.
46:06
Is it because she loved the stranger?
46:09
You know, he's intoxicated. I can see why.
46:13
He's a piece of ass. So did you.
46:17
We did have a conversation about this, I'm afraid.
46:18
Why did Luke Malloy like this one so much?
46:20
Is it because it was a bit weird?
46:21
I thought it was the third one he liked the most.
46:23
No, no, he said. The second one, he goes.
46:25
It was utterly unforgettable. Or maybe he wasn't being
46:29
complimentary. It's interesting staging this
46:34
this scene, shooting them from the side a lot of the time.
46:39
It's not. It hasn't got the ending of the
46:41
first one though, has it? The silhouette.
46:44
No silhouettes. They do love these thoughtful
46:46
endings where the stranger wanders off looking wistful.
46:49
Yeah. You know, I'm pleased Nigel
46:53
Fairs made it. It would have been a shame to
46:55
lose someone that pretty. Shame Nigel Fairs didn't go off
46:58
on his travels with them because he was the companion in the
47:01
audio visuals version, wasn't he?
47:03
What this character? No, but he plays the Nigel fairs
47:07
plays one of the doctors companions in the audio visuals.
47:09
I'll. Say it a million times.
47:11
You know, if there'd have been, if Hugo Land had gone along, I
47:15
know it would be problematic now, Kevin McNally.
47:17
But if he'd had gone on in The Twin Dilemma, 22 would be way
47:20
different. Yeah, because there would be no
47:21
bullying of Perry in that. House, Andy Jump in every time
47:25
someone tried to be a pervert. Now can you ask why is Colin
47:28
Baker holding up that shell? Because that's what Sophie Alder
47:32
put on him to heal them. I gotta pay attention mate.
47:35
Well, I figured they were doing the end of the Aztecs.
47:37
You know when he comes out the TARDIS and takes the brooch?
47:39
Right you. Know, I think I was in love with
47:41
that person, but I'm going to leave it ambiguous.
47:44
Kameka. Come on, what?
47:47
Kameka that's what I'm saying. Kameka No, I didn't.
47:51
You've got to stop saying random words from the 60s like Joanna.
47:55
Joanna, you have to fight me with the Pope.
48:00
You defy the world with your politics.
48:03
You always sound so Cam when you say that line.
48:05
Well, I've got to say, I did really enjoy.
48:08
That me too. It is my least favorite, but
48:11
it's still an enjoyable watch hang.
48:13
On copyright BBC Film Club. 1992 so they must have paid for this
48:18
one as well. What about ah Do you think
48:21
that's why the third one suddenly we're?
48:23
Yeah. Maybe a lot more contained.
48:25
Yeah. So you've had you've done 2
48:27
strangers now are you invested in the world of the stranger?
48:30
OK. I want to say at this point,
48:32
when I was watching them, yeah. You said earlier that you
48:36
thought there was massive promise in the Probe series.
48:40
Yeah. And that had like, I really
48:42
think in terms of telling stories and letting your
48:46
imagination fly. At this point, I was like,
48:48
right, So we've had one on an alien planet, which is very city
48:50
of death, a split character, really interesting.
48:54
Now we've got one with a sentient planet.
48:56
Then I watched the third one, and I was like, yeah, the
48:59
stranger can go anywhere. You could tell any kind of
49:02
story. You are aware that that's the
49:03
Doctor Who format bird I've just stolen it is.
49:08
It's a Doctor Who RIP off mate. It's a Doctor Who RIP off.
49:12
Shut up. I know I get that.
49:15
But like, like probe. Yeah, the British XRS, fine, it
49:19
does have legs. And you can tell monster of the
49:21
week conspiracy stories and all of this.
49:23
Yeah, they do kind of have all the time and space.
49:25
The only thing that's going to limit them is their imagination.
49:28
Yeah, very true and. I don't think they've got a
49:30
limited imagination, no, just a limited budget.
49:33
Yeah. Well, Dylan, what's the name of
49:37
the third riveting stranger episode we're going to watch
49:40
today? It's called in memory alone.
49:44
I mean, that's the best title, yeah, I think.
49:45
It is indeed. I mean, the terror game that you
49:48
mentioned earlier does sound, yeah.
49:51
And after that is breach of the peace.
49:53
And then that's. Quite boring, that one.
49:55
Yeah, well, that's that's that's the.
49:56
Police procedure one. Sounds boring as well.
49:59
Well, we'll get there. Shall shall we take a little
50:03
sidestep now into the world of Nicholas Briggs?
50:07
Always, but not before I've done away.
50:10
Me too, turn the mics off. I don't want to hear that on the
50:13
call. We will definitely cut it there.