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Tucker Carlson _ This Past Weekend w_ Theo Von _628(M4A_128K) · Drawn of History

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  Speaker 1: you can go support your fellow Americans. And thank you
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  Speaker 1: guys so much. Merry Christmas. Happy holidays. Today's guest is
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  Speaker 1: a host. He's an interviewer. He's a provocateur, if you will.
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  Speaker 1: We had him on previously, and we had a great time.
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  Speaker 1: He has his own podcast called The Tucker Carlson Show.
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  Speaker 1: He was just ranked one of the top ten podcasts
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  Speaker 1: in America. I'm looking forward to spending time with him.
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  Speaker 1: Today's guest is Mr. Tucker Carlson. We want to support
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  Speaker 1: ALP too, so I'm excited about that. That started on
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  Speaker 1: the show, which is kind of weird. That ALP started
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  Speaker 1: on the show? Oh, yeah, that's right.
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  Speaker 2: It was your show. You did it. It's when they
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  Speaker 2: threatened me. It's when PMI, Philip Morris, wrote me this
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  Speaker 2: letter saying, You were on a well-known comedian's podcast, and
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  Speaker 2: you said this is a better product. I was like,
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  Speaker 2: fuck you, and started my own. And it's been really successful,
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  Speaker 2: so I'm grateful.
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  Speaker 1: So did they get upset about anything you said on
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  Speaker 1: the show?
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  Speaker 2: On your show?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, because they said it was like a boner
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  Speaker 1: cure or whatever. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's Viagra, which it totally is.
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  Speaker 1: You think nicotine helps your erection?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I don't think it helps mine.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think you're using enough.
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  Speaker 1: I mean I've hit a vape like I'm just– like
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  Speaker 1: I'm keeping a train going.
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  Speaker 2: Mid-act?
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  Speaker 1: Like keeping like an Amtrak. Like I'm leading an Amtrak.
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  Speaker 2: But it's hard to vape while you're actually engaged, right?
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  Speaker 2: But that's the beauty of a pouch. You can double
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  Speaker 2: up during. Oh, I like that. I mean that's– Well,
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  Speaker 2: it's like a battery pack. Just what doctors recommend. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not– obviously nothing to do with me. I'm still like
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  Speaker 2: using fire. It's like if I'm sitting there just huffing
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  Speaker 2: on a vape. Killing time. Also, if you're not getting
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  Speaker 2: an erection, you're trying to kill time until you get one.
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  Speaker 2: That's the toughest thing that people never talk about about
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  Speaker 2: erectile dysfunction.
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  Speaker 1: Really? Yeah, because you're like– It's.
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  Speaker 2: Like waiting at the DMV kind of?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of.
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  Speaker 2: Waiting for some lady to call you? Yeah, it's the same.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe it's that girl Bonnie Blue. She's like number 49
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  Speaker 1: or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Not ready.
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  Speaker 1: Dude, yeah, that would be crazy. Just give me a
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  Speaker 1: couple minutes. No, dude, the lies I would used to
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  Speaker 1: have to make up because I had pretty bad erectile
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  Speaker 1: dysfunction like in my 20s and the lies I'd have
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  Speaker 1: to make up. Wait, wait, wait. Without getting too personal,
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  Speaker 1: how did you have erectile dysfunction in your 20s? Dude,
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  Speaker 1: I moved in with a guy who– Okay, mistake number one.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: For sure that didn't help. But that's because he had
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  Speaker 1: a script of wiener pills and so I'd get over
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  Speaker 1: there– So why I nibble off of his wiener pills.
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  Speaker 1: And this is when wiener pills were really first pop
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  Speaker 1: when they were first out of the gate, when people
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  Speaker 1: like you had to get prescription, right? Now you can
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  Speaker 1: just do like telehealth. Now you can get some Indian guy.
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  Speaker 1: I'll just mail you a bag of them, you know? Um,
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  Speaker 1: and they have saffron on them, which is sometimes it's
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  Speaker 1: kind of a lot, but you take what you can get. But, um,
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  Speaker 1: but dude, I would stay over with him and he would, uh,
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  Speaker 1: and he didn't notice he would drink a lot. So
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  Speaker 1: he didn't notice sometimes I would, like cut one in
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  Speaker 1: half or just take one, you know, but so I
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  Speaker 1: was living with like a 70 year old dude, just
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  Speaker 1: a cops part of his wiener pill script because you
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  Speaker 1: were kept man Viagra kept you there. But dude, that
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  Speaker 1: was a crazy, but when I think back of the
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  Speaker 1: reality of that, that was bonkers. Yeah. I fair, even
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  Speaker 1: by LA standards, that's pretty far out.
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  Speaker 2: Usually you move in with a sugar daddy for like
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  Speaker 2: the cocaine or something, but you, for the boner pills.
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  Speaker 2: But can I ask, how do you think you wound
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  Speaker 2: up needing them in the first place at that age?
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  Speaker 1: Just too much mental, too much in my head, you know?
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  Speaker 1: Like I would try to be getting a boner or whatever,
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  Speaker 1: and my brain would be like, you got a little boner, bitch,
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  Speaker 1: or whatever? Like my brain did not like me, you know?
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  Speaker 1: And we lived together, and so it was like a
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  Speaker 1: constant battle. But then I think as I've gotten older
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  Speaker 1: and gotten more calm, it's been easier. It's just been
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  Speaker 1: more calm. That's so, that's so interesting. So you were
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  Speaker 1: like trying to defeat yourself. Yes. I would be like, uh,
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  Speaker 1: or if I couldn't get it started, it was just like, man,
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  Speaker 1: you know? So then you're killing time. You're like, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's like, you want to watch a pro,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's like, let's put on a movie, you know,
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  Speaker 1: just like trying to kill time while you're waiting to
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  Speaker 1: get a boner. It's very, you know, you're, it's a,
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  Speaker 1: that's a tough gig. That should be an Olympic sport.
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  Speaker 1: I think like the biathlon. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's weird, but there are a few people in the
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  Speaker 2: world really good at it.
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  Speaker 1: Really? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, biathlon for sure. I don't know. Boner weighting. Biathlon
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  Speaker 2: is the cross-country skiing. I don't think it's quite– it's
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  Speaker 2: not actually certified yet. But no, biathlon is the cross-country
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  Speaker 2: skiing and then shooting. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I have seen that. That's pretty fun.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's wild because these guys are just like huffing.
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  Speaker 2: Imagine being oxygen-deprived and then trying to shoot straight or
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  Speaker 2: do anything really.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, look, this is the skill we're all going to
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  Speaker 1: need probably in a few years if we want to survive.
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  Speaker 1: So I think that this is very important.
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  Speaker 2: Totally agree.
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  Speaker 1: But does Alp, so Alp is your brand. Alp is
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  Speaker 1: our brand.
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  Speaker 2: We started it because of your show, because the first
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  Speaker 2: and only other time I've been here, we were in
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  Speaker 2: some other city.
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  Speaker 1: We're in Bellagio. We were in the Bellagio. In Vegas, right.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry. And I had it and you said, what's that?
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  Speaker 2: And I made a joke about how it was a
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  Speaker 2: marital aid or something. Not even a funny joke. And
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  Speaker 2: then about a week later, I got a letter from
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  Speaker 2: the general counsel's office at Philip Morris International, which owns Zinn.
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  Speaker 2: And they said, you know, how dare you make unsubstantiated
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  Speaker 2: medical claims about our product? And I was like, first
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  Speaker 2: of all, I'm shilling your product just to be nice
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  Speaker 2: because I like it. And now you're scolding me for
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  Speaker 2: making a boner joke, which, by the way, was a compliment. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: If somebody's Zen and then they're suddenly they got that
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  Speaker 1: dong going, who cares? You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 2: I thought it was funny. I thought it was a compliment.
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  Speaker 2: And but they were so corporate and nasty with me
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  Speaker 2: that I decided I'm going to make a competing product.
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  Speaker 2: And we did. And then around that time, probably about
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  Speaker 2: a week or two later, I asked around. I never
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  Speaker 2: really asked anyone about Zen. And I found out that
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  Speaker 2: almost every other person using Zen was using it rectally.
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  Speaker 2: I literally had no idea.
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  Speaker 1: They were using it what?
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  Speaker 2: They were- Rectally. Yeah, they use it rectally. Most zinnias
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  Speaker 2: use it rectally, and I didn't know that. What?
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  Speaker 1: Where at? Like, five kappas or whatever?
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no. Just normal consumers of it. Like,
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  Speaker 2: in fact, in a lot of places, when you buy it,
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  Speaker 2: you get a little tube of- I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: you ever bought it, but you get a little tube
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  Speaker 2: of Vaseline and some surgical gloves. No, I'm serious. And
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  Speaker 2: I had no idea. And I was like, in a
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  Speaker 2: country of 350 million people, like, there should be a
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  Speaker 2: pouch of for your mouth. You know, it shouldn't all
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  Speaker 2: be rectal use. And by the way, I'm not in
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  Speaker 2: any way judging at all. I think it's consistent with
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  Speaker 2: like other parts of their lives, but, but whatever.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, this country needs an oral use only pouch.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. So we made one.
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  Speaker 1: And so you guys made one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. But I didn't know any of that. And I'm
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  Speaker 2: like hapless, you know, I'm putting it in my mouth
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  Speaker 2: and occasionally people look at me like on a plane
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  Speaker 2: or whatever. I put it in my mouth and they
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  Speaker 2: would give me that look like that's not what you're
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  Speaker 2: supposed to do with that. But I didn't even know,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't have any reference points for it. Um, but
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  Speaker 2: you know, you, you learn stuff as you age. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: If you're using that third jaw, I think, to catch
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  Speaker 1: a nicotine hit, that's pretty wild.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the problem is you can overdo it and you forget.
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  Speaker 2: It's hard to keep track of how many are there. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of things happen. I've never done it, but
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  Speaker 2: I have talked to people who are into it. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: it'll build up like a beaver dam back there, I
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  Speaker 2: feel like.
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  Speaker 1: That's crazy. Tucker, good to see you, man. That's great.
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  Speaker 1: Here we are. We've already discussed erectile dysfunction, which I
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  Speaker 1: admitted I had, which is definitely never going to help
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  Speaker 1: my dating life, but here we are.
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  Speaker 2: I think it makes you more relatable, less threatening. I
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  Speaker 2: bet you get a lot of calls after this, actually. Well,
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  Speaker 2: I will say this, though.
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  Speaker 1: If you took an erection pill, say you went on
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  Speaker 1: a date or something that was going pretty well, and
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  Speaker 1: you took part of it, or you nibbled off a
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  Speaker 1: little piece, because do not make the mistake of taking
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  Speaker 1: a whole one. What happens? Dude, I couldn't even hug
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  Speaker 1: somebody goodbye. I was just like... You're like in seventh
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  Speaker 1: grade again. Oh, dude, yeah, yeah. Cabs were stopping. It
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  Speaker 1: was like, what do you want, you know? So that
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  Speaker 1: wasn't good, dude. Like, that was, yeah, you take a
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  Speaker 1: whole one, dude. Yeah, people will start hanging their coats
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  Speaker 1: on you and stuff. It's really, it can be a lot.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, you would just nibble off enough. You started
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  Speaker 1: to gauge how much you needed. You'd nibble off. I
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  Speaker 1: feel like you could become dependent on it, though. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: you definitely did. But at a certain point, it, like
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  Speaker 1: alleviated like the fear of like, of this, of, uh,
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  Speaker 1: kind of, of the, it alleviated the fear. The performance anxiety. Right.
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  Speaker 1: It kind of like, so then after a while you
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  Speaker 1: didn't need it all the time. So it kind of, um,
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  Speaker 1: that sounds helpful. Yeah. It was kind of like training
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  Speaker 1: wheels in a way type of thing. You know what
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying? Totally.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Like you use it and then you don't need it. Um,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, dude, that was a weird time, dude. I,
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  Speaker 1: one time I was over there and, uh, so the dude, like,
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  Speaker 1: We only had one bedroom, so I would just sleep
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  Speaker 1: on the couch, right? Are you sure there's not more
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  Speaker 1: to this story? There's nothing more.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. So an older man moves you into his house
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  Speaker 2: and gives you boner pills, but it's totally on the level. Like,
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  Speaker 2: there was nothing weird at all.
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  Speaker 1: My friend's dad.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, okay. Okay, good.
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  Speaker 1: My friend's dad. And I think he, like, cheated on
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  Speaker 1: his wife or something, so he got kicked out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And so, and I was looking for a place to live. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: I used to go, like, I was learning the guitar
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  Speaker 1: at the time, and so... he would have this lady
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  Speaker 1: stay over sometimes, and he would have me come in
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  Speaker 1: there and play music to him in the dark and shit,
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  Speaker 1: and I just learned how to play Tears in Heaven.
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  Speaker 2: Just to, again, to stand back, and with you know,
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  Speaker 2: with no prior knowledge of the story at all, but
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  Speaker 2: just to like assess the facts as you've laid them out,
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  Speaker 2: you get invited to live with an older man. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And a girl.
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  Speaker 1: He was athletic. He played tennis.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Who has a stash of boner pills.
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  Speaker 2: And then he invites you into the bedroom with him
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  Speaker 2: and the girl to serenade them. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: At night, kind of. And this never got freaky at all.
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  Speaker 1: Like not for one second. You're like, that's totally normal.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Not at all. But it just, it was weird enough.
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  Speaker 1: It's the most LA story ever. It happened in Louisiana. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: no way. I was thinking you were like Kato Kaelin
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  Speaker 1: in the guest house. This happened in downtown New Orleans, dude.
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  Speaker 1: And I used to borrow his car. It wouldn't turn off.
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  Speaker 1: If you turned it off, you couldn't turn it back on.
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  Speaker 1: So you had to leave it running all the time
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  Speaker 1: and you had to like put gas into it. So
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  Speaker 1: I'd go to, I'd use his car to go to
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  Speaker 1: school over there, over there at Loyola. And I would
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  Speaker 1: just leave it running. I would just like leave it
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  Speaker 1: running all day, dude.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, Tucker Carlson, good to see you, man. It's great
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  Speaker 1: to see you. Great to see you. Congrats on ALP.
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  Speaker 1: Is it doing well? I remember I went to y'all's
• 10:57
  Speaker 1: party last year, and there was a lot of neat
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  Speaker 1: people there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Josh Smith was there, I remember. Lexi was there. Mel
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  Speaker 1: Gibson was there last year. Did he come?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That was really nice of him. He's a great guy.
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  Speaker 2: He's a great guy. And there are a lot of people. Yeah, no,
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  Speaker 2: it's actually done.
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  Speaker 1: Jimmy John was there. Love Jimmy John. One of my favorites.
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  Speaker 2: Vince Vaughn. All, you know, good guys. People who like nicotine.
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  Speaker 2: Nicotine's super important. This country's gotten far sadder and less
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  Speaker 2: healthy since it was discouraged. And it's coming back. And
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  Speaker 2: I think it shows. Like, people are just happier. But, no,
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  Speaker 2: the company's done great. So I've never been in business.
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  Speaker 2: I've never sold anything. I've only talked for a living.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't grow up around business. I know nothing about it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm terrible at math. So yeah, it's done really well.
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  Speaker 2: So well that I feel a little bit embarrassed. But
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  Speaker 2: we have a big factory near here, 14 manufacturing lines.
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  Speaker 1: And it's like, it's cool. Wow.
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  Speaker 2: I like it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: It's actually been the single most amusing and purely fun
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  Speaker 2: thing I've ever done. Of course, I have no role
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  Speaker 2: in the business. You would never allow me near a business, ever.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm super enthusiastic. I help pick the name and
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  Speaker 2: the design and the flavors. I know a lot about
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  Speaker 2: that because I'm a lifelong nicotine user, over 40 years.
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  Speaker 2: I know a lot about nicotine, but I know nothing
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  Speaker 2: about business. So I'm not involved in any of that.
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  Speaker 2: My college roommate runs it and is my best friend.
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  Speaker 2: But I hear about it. But basically, yeah, it's been
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  Speaker 2: wildly successful because I think people Want a pouch that
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  Speaker 2: you can put in your mouth. You don't have to
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  Speaker 2: put it in your butt. And a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: felt like they did. There's just a lot of pressure
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  Speaker 2: to do that. And you feel it all around you. Like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: it's totally cool. All the guys are doing it. And
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  Speaker 2: some people are like, I'm not going to do that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't want to have to go to like
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  Speaker 1: a Tiesto or a John Summit or a Levity concert
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  Speaker 1: or have to go to like a... widespread panic concert
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  Speaker 1: to get somebody to boo fit into my butt through
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  Speaker 1: a straw or something. It's like, how do you even
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  Speaker 1: get help getting it in if you need help?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think that's part of it.
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  Speaker 1: I think for a lot of people, zen is a
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  Speaker 1: group activity. Like, it happens, you know, with, like, friends.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But, and that's fine. Teasing him or that type of thing. Totally.
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  Speaker 1: I can't believe that was the song I played, and
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  Speaker 1: that's what they made me play, dude. Would you know.
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  Speaker 2: Shut up! When you were serenading the boner pill guy
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  Speaker 2: and his girlfriend?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think I would play? I only
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  Speaker 1: knew that and Every Rose Has Its Thorn.
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  Speaker 2: Come on.
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  Speaker 1: Those are like two of the beginner songs, man. Wow.
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  Speaker 2: I was pretty good.
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  Speaker 1: I think it would be like Brown Eyed Girl or something,
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  Speaker 1: older guy. Oh, definitely. Well, Brown Eyed Girl, definitely if
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  Speaker 1: you're using one of those pouches you're talking about, dude. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You know?
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  Speaker 2: But that's like kind of a classic... Boomer kicked out
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  Speaker 2: of the house with his younger girlfriend.
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: Play Brown Eyed Girl. You know, it's kind of. Oh, yeah.
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: I thought Brown Eyed Girl is something dealing with somebody's butt,
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: you know? Hey, where did we go? Ooh. Days when the.
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: When the rains came. When the rains came. Down in
• 13:53
  Speaker 1: the hollow. Playing a new.
• 13:56
  Speaker 2: So good.
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: Playing a new game. You know what I'm saying? So. BLM, homie.
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson's here, dude. Dude, I just saw you got
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: a top 10 podcast, one of the top 10 podcasts
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: in America.
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: Did you see that?
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: Really? No, I didn't. Did you see that?
• 14:12
  Speaker 2: Really? I honestly didn't know that. No, we have a
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: rule in our office, which we've stuck with for over
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: 30 years now, wherever I've worked, no compliments. I don't
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: believe in that. So you don't ever want to work
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: with people who compliment you. at all, and you know
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: when it's hitting, and you can feel when you're doing
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: what you're supposed to be doing, but having people around
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: you are like, oh, we're kicking ass, you're so great. Like,
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: that's the fastest way to rot your soul and just
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: become an asshole, and having spent my life around assholes,
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: I'm like, ugh, I don't want to be that. So, no, no, no,
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: there's never any talk about that, ever. Well, but I'm
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: glad to know that. It's better than being in the,
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: I've certainly been in the bottom part Many times in
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: my life. You know what I mean? I had ratings
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: that were so bad at one network I worked at
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: that there was some question as to whether, given the
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: margin of error, anyone was watching.
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: Like anyone.
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: Any human being was actually watching. Like Nielsen couldn't tell
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: you really with precision.
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: Right. So I've been there. Dang. Yeah, well, now you're
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: not there anymore. I mean, it is fascinating, especially to
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: hear how quickly people have gone away from cable.
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: Do you have cable?
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: I don't even know if I have it. Right. I mean,
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: mostly I watch sports and then I just work a lot. Totally.
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: And there's just a lot of stuff like you could
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: spend your life texting. How many people do you text
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: with every day? Oh, right. Too much. Yeah, exactly.
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: But yeah, you won. You were a top 10 man.
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: So pretty cool. And you were, you also got anti-Semite
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: of the year or you got, did I win? No,
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: I don't. You also got nominated for anti-Semite of the year.
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: Bryce Mitchell is campaigning. It feels like so. He is.
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: I love Bryce.
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: He was there.
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: His son's named Tucker, by the way, I'm proud to say.
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: His son is so cute too. He's unbelievable. Did I
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: see his son at your party last year?
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: Yes. Yes.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: And his wonderful wife.
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah. The funny thing is I'm not even an anti-Semite
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: and I'm against anti-Semitism.
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: I agree. How did that even? Every day for the
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: last 10 years.
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: I don't think, I think it is immoral to judge
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: people on qualities they can't control that they were born with.
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: I don't think that people are guilty by virtue of
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: their blood. That's why I disagree with the Netanyahu cabinet.
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: They believe the Palestinians are subhuman because they're Palestinian. And
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: I just, that's an attitude that's anti-Christian. I totally reject it.
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: I've criticized them for that specifically. And so I'm completely
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: opposed to anti-Semitism.
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: And so And I mean it, too. And by the way,
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: if I was an anti-Semite at this stage, I'd be like, yeah,
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: I'm an anti-Semite.
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: I love Hitler. I would just say it. Like, why not?
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: I'd probably be the number one podcast if I said that.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: But I'm being totally sincere. I'm opposed to it. So
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: why do they keep calling you that, me that? And
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: I know one of these guys very well in here.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: I said I know Bryce, but I know another person
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: on the bottom. I know two of them.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: I know Anna, too.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: They're not only are not anti-Semites, they think anti-Semitism is immoral.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: So why do they call you something that you're not
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: and that they know you're not? They do it to
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: make you into what they call you. They are trying
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: to make you a hater. And that is like the
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: key insight I've had over the last year. It's like,
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: I used to think, like people would always call me racist.
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: And I would do these like long monologues, like actually-
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: I'm not a racist, I would say so if I was.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: I kind of like black people, but it's not even,
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: it has nothing to do with whether.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: I like black people or don't. Yeah, I own a
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: couple jerseys or whatever.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: I kind of do, but even if I didn't, hating
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: people on the basis of racism is a moron. So
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: I'd do these long monologues and I would stay up
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: and write them at home and be like, I'm gonna
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: tell the truth and everyone would be like, shut up, racist.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: And I'd be like, what is this? They could criticize
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: me for my real faults, which are super obvious, you know,
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: I think they're very obvious. I get mad. I overstate things.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: I always gain a shit ton of weight every summer.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: I have faults that are obvious to everybody, but they
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: never attack me on those. They attack me on the
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: things that I'm not. Why? And this year, I finally
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: figured it out. It's like they want to make you
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: into a hater. Why?
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: Two reasons.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: One, to control you. This is like a form of control.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: Wow, because then they can label you?
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Sure. Then you're a Nazi.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: It's like you don't need to.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: Right? So it's obviously to get you killed is part
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: of it, but part of it is much deeper and
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: it's spiritual. And that is that evil feeds on hate.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: They want more hate. So, and what's evil? How do
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: we know if something's evil? Well, by its fruits, is
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: this someone who's lying, angry, promoting violence, chaos, division, that's evil.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's literally the definition of evil and good
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: is its opposite. It's unity and peace, happiness, love, order, cleanliness,
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: or whatever. The virtues are really obvious. The sins are
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: really obvious. And so evil feeds on hate. They want
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: more hate. So I look at someone like Mark Levin,
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: who was a guy I used to know.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, I had strong feelings about the guy one
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: way or the other.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: He's all into Israel. Whatever. I don't care. Be all
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: into Israel. I was never against Israel. I'm still not
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: really that against Israel, but whatever. I watch Mark Levin
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: go down this path where he's like, He's crazed, it's
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: almost like he's being attacked by bees or something, like
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: there's no peace in that man at all. And I
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: can't imagine what his, I'm not being mean, I'm being sincere.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: That guy works tirelessly to make people hate him. Same
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: with Rabbi Buttplug, same with a bunch of these people
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: you see on the internet where it's like, is this
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: guy trying to win people over? Just the opposite. He's
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: trying to alienate them, he's trying to make people hate him, why?
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Because that's the nature of evil, it feeds on hate.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: And goodness feeds on love. And you're around, if you're
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: around a decent, honest person, you just feel this like
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: warmth and attraction and calm, right? You feel this around.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. And I think you have to trust
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: your own guiding light.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: At a certain point.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: A hundred at every point. Of what is good and
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: what is not. But you know it.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: I don't even think... Like, we're so past rational argument.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, I've proven that by like every week dutifully
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: doing the, actually, I'm against anti-Semitism. I hate anti-Semitism.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Shut up, Hitler.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Obviously, we're not at a point, sadly, in our history
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: where rational debate makes any difference at all. They don't care.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk dedicated his life to it. They just shot
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: him in the neck. Like, they're not interested. They're not winnable.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: We're at a stage where the only thing you can
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: trust is God. the love of other people and your
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: own God-given instincts. Like that is it. That's the guide period.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, your pilot light of what you have
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: to really lock into what your pilot light of what
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: do you feel like is right and wrong?
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Don't you think you know it too? I think at
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: this point you have to trust that more than ever.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: You have to trust it. Right. Exactly.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: But, but the knowledge is preexistent. Like it's already in you.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: You know, you're like, your dog doesn't need to be
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: told who hates him. The dog's like, you know, he
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: barks at the people who hate him.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: He knows. And he doesn't lie to himself.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: And, Do you feel that? Oh, I think we've been
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: lying to ourselves or we've been passive about evil showing
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: up in our world, I think. I definitely believe that.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: And some of those things I want to talk about
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: for sure. I mean, I saw this list and I'm like, well,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: first of all, Miss Rachel's on it. That's when they lost.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: I was like, what are you guys doing? If Miss
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Rachel has to come out because she was obviously anti
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: the war in Gaza, anti the genocide. And we've spoken
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: up about it. I mean, there's no doubt in my
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: heart and mind that it's a genocide. People can have
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: other thoughts that they want. And that's fine. If you
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: have your thoughts, that's great. I'm glad that you do.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: It just seems like that is. a wrong thing. There
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: was not a lot of question about it for me.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Like I learned about the history of the land. And
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: then I was like this, well, this is just wrong.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: There's no reason that these, uh, children have to be
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: getting killed that, that they're experimenting with different weapons and
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: different tactics, um, on this kind of like basically these,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: this imprisoned group over there. Um, and then when they,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: when I saw this and I miss Rachel, I was like,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: what are we doing? Like, what do you need Bert
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: and Ernie to come out and say that it's a genocide?
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Like at what point do people not trust what they're
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: seeing anymore? I think I'm kind of a may that,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: that that's the part that's made me think sometimes like
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: I'm in this weird blender or aquarium. It's like, it's like,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: should more people speak up? Have not an, like it
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: almost like, why do you feel crazy for speaking up?
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Like it just should feel like there's more. But then
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: it's not my place to think that somebody else should
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: feel the same way or should feel okay about sharing stuff. Um,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: and it gets kind of scary, you know, it definitely
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: gets super scary, you know? Um, I think because, you know,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: I think you don't know the, you don't really know
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: what's going on. I think that's what it is. And
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: if they would just say, Hey, America is a country
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: that's owned by Israel or that, um, it's always been
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: just this, uh, outpost or it's this LLC of Israel,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: or it's this, or of this, or maybe not even
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: of Israel, it could just be of, of, um, corporate entities.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: I'm not really sure exactly, but if they would just
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: tell us, then you can operate from a place of
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: knowing what's going on. But for some reason, there's this
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: weird secretiveness about stuff. And when things are secret, it
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: feels evil because it feels like it's in the dark. Right. Um, and,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: and then when you see like we're watching people dying
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: and kids dying. And it's supposed to feel like it's
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: just in with the next reel and the next trend
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: dance or whatever. It's just, it all becomes, um, it
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: all becomes confusing. And so those are moments where you
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: do have to lock in, you know, just, uh, prayer
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: asking God, what am I supposed to do? Just trusting
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: like the part inside of yourself that, uh, you feel
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: like you've developed over time. That's, that's, that's honest, I guess,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: or just trying to trust your heart, you know?
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Does that make any sense even? Not
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: only does it make sense, it's so beautifully expressed. Yes,
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: it makes perfect sense. And I think a lot of
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: people watch, I'll speak for myself. I've been brooding on
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: this because my whole job is to try and find
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: out what's happening and then explain it. And it's just
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: an endless series of frustrating cul-de-sacs where you're like, why
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: can't we know this, that, the other thing? I mean,
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: whatever the story is, And in the last two weeks,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: I feel like I've gotten closer to understanding what's actually
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: going on. And of course, I could be completely wrong,
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: but I'm not. And it's made me so much happier
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: because the conclusion, I've sort of let go of a
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: lot of my frustration and fear because I've realized that
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: we already know exactly what this is. Don't know a
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: lot of the details, you know, could be wrong about
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: this or that, you know, but big picture, we know
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: exactly what's going on. And I think at this point
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: that if all the information on all these different threads,
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: whatever it is, especially the murders, not just the recent
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: murders or attempted murders, but the more historical ones, if
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: all the relevant information came out tomorrow, would we be surprised? No,
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: we wouldn't.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: We know what's up, actually.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: And there's enough evidence, but also our instincts tell us
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: just by watching, like, what is this? And I agree
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: with you completely. It's not just about Israel, this country.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: It's about whether or not self-government actually exists. Like, do
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: any of these countries have a system where the people
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: decide who their leaders are and what the country should
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: do collectively? Not really. Or it's more complex than that. Yes,
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: I think elections are to some extent real and all that.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: But in the end, the big decisions are made not
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: by nations or kings or presidents or whatever we imagine
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: they're made by, you know, the world's richest people. And no,
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's an ethnic group. It's not code
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: language for the Jews. It's what it seems to be.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: It's the people with the biggest stake in this who
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: have the most to gain and the most to lose
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: are never going to leave the big decisions to, like,
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: three zip codes in Pennsylvania. Like, come on now.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Come on now.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: Come on, son.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: Like, you know that that's true.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: And I'm not saying, by the way, I'm not claiming
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: all elections are totally rigged or whatever, the source code
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: belongs to Maduro. I'm not making any specific claims like
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: that because I don't know if they're true or not.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: But I know the big picture. We know that Kennedy
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: was pushing up against some forbidden things and that's why
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: he was killed. And who killed him? Well, it's too
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: easy to say it was this group or that group
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: or this group. It was all those groups acting in
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: concert or parts of those groups acting in concert.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Of course.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: That's all of what this is, right? Do you feel that?
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: I like what you said about if all the pieces
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: came out, would you be that surprised? Like, if they
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: laid the cards completely out.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Epstein, for example. You know, the one that everyone's obsessed over. Right.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: I feel like that whole thing is some sort of,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: I think there's definitely stuff there, but then also it's
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: been such a kickball and a ruse for so long. Yeah.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: It's like both political parties had a chance to put
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: it out or to get– none of these people are
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: operating on our behalf.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: That's what it feels like. Well, that's kind of the
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: truth that I'm talking about. That's what we would learn.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: That's what's scary. If all of this came out. It
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: feels like– well, so many of us believe and have
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: believed and have forefathers that have spilt their blood and
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: risked their lives and have friends who are enlisted now–
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: to protect this thing that I feel like we, this
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: idea of America. And then that idea has gotten super
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: blurry in the past few years. And especially at a
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: time when I think a lot of people like, there's
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: a lot of fears with like technology in the future
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: and not knowing like where we're going to find our
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: sense of purpose, right? That's a big thing that we
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: talk about on this show a lot of our time
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: is like, you know, where do you find your sense
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: of purpose? And people find it a lot of times
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: in their job, through their family, in their country, through
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: their religion, through their faith. So, you know, some of
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: those start to go away and some of those even
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: look blurrier for the future, almost like it's like Marty
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: McFly when he looks at that picture and it looks
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: like he doesn't even exist, you know? And so it
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: starts to make you think like, you know, if more
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: of our purpose disappears and our traditions are challenged by
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: media over the years that they're wrong or they're racist
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: or they're this or they're that, then you kind of
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: end up with just, I don't know. It makes you
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: feel like, well, what do I end up even, what
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: even is the value of me at a certain point?
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: I have the answer. I have the answer. Okay.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: And I don't also want to sound too dour. Like
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: I'm also looking at it from that perspective.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: You're speaking for millions of people when you say this,
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: like everyone can feel, I think people feel exactly what
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  Speaker 2: you're saying.
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  Speaker 1: And I still also feel like a lot of moments
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  Speaker 1: of hope of like, you know, like, okay, so I
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  Speaker 1: focus on my family. I focus on my friends. I
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  Speaker 1: focus on doing something nice for someone. I focus on
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  Speaker 1: somebody else other than myself. You know, I do those
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  Speaker 1: things that do give you feelings of meaning and purpose, right?
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  Speaker 1: So anyway, I'm not trying to be like a Debbie Downer,
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  Speaker 2: I think just the opposite. And by the way, I
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: just want to amplify what you just said, because that
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  Speaker 2: is the answer. And those aren't just feelings of meaning
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: and purpose. That's the definition of meaning and purpose is
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: to love the people around you. Not people you've never met,
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: not abstract concepts, communism, fascism, Zionism, whatever your ideology is. No,
• 29:37
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  Speaker 2: Man, I thought I had, I've never done ketamine, but, um,
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: But I do think, okay, so the first purpose is
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: to love the people around you in your immediate orbit.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: And the second purpose is to tell the truth. So
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: the short, the one sentence description of the whole thing
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: that you just laid out, the way you're feeling, is
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: that we are discovering that we actually don't have control
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: over anything big happening. We have no control. Right. And
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: all this shit, all these systems that we've, created and
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: cherished and believed in and died for, as you said,
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: were all, in some sense, illusory. They were fake because
• 34:50
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• 34:53
  Speaker 2: whether it's over our government or the future or whatever.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: We don't have any control. We are on a commercial
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• 35:07
  Speaker 1: You just don't.
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  Speaker 2: You have no control. We have to metabolize that, like
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: accept that. And once you do, there's total freedom in that.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: I actually can't protect myself, really. As we say in
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  Speaker 2: my family, our family motto is, there is no safety,
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: there's only destiny. There is no safety, there's only destiny.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: And that's the deepest truth of life. We're not the
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: authors of our lives. We can't really control that much
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: about them, except a couple of things. Do we love
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: the people around us? And do we tell the truth?
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: And if you want to prepare yourself for the turmoil
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: that's only going to accelerate, this is all obvious, all
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: of us can feel it. The reason we're all so
• 35:44
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• 35:55
  Speaker 1: You'll see your neighbor just doing circles in your yard. 100%, dude.
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• 36:01
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• 36:03
  Speaker 2: can't see it. but they can feel it, and we
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: can all feel that. So how do you protect yourself? Obviously,
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: buy gold, stash ammo. I believe in all that. But
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: really what you need to do is make yourself strong
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: inside by collecting your people close to you, staying in
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: close touch with them, and telling the truth, because telling
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: the truth gives you spiritual power. The more you tell
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: the truth, the more you are filled with supernatural power.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: You become invulnerable. To the extent a human being can be.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: I'm telling the truth, and I don't care if you
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: kill me. I really don't care. because what I'm saying
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: is real and it will outlive me. If you get
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: into that habit, the exercise of just being honest as
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: much as you can be, of course, you're a human being,
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: so you'll lie all the fucking time because you can't
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: help it. But if you keep doing that, you'll be
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: filled with a spiritual power that is stronger than any
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: other power.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Do you believe that our country is compromised?
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: Do I believe it's compromised?
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Do you believe that it's reversible?
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: You know, I believe so. I mean, again, I'm so old.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: I'm 56.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: So, like, I just grew up believing in everything, you know?
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: You're younger than Leanne Morgan. We just had her in here. Really?
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Have you ever listened to her?
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: No.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh. Does she seem old?
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: No. She's great, dude.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Both of you guys look great.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: She's older than I am?
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: She told me she was, unless she was lying.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: I don't believe her.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: There's that new thing. A lot of women do that.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: They pretend to be a lot older.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: That's, like, the true Jedi move for a woman to
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: be like, actually, I'm 61. Like, a conventional woman would
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: always be like, actually, I'm 29, but the really smart
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: ones would be like, I'm almost 70. Yes.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: That's how they do it. That's right. She's a wonderful,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: beautiful comedian, and she's hilarious. But anyway, she was a senior,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: but she's 60 years old. I bet she uses nicotine.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Great.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: I bet she does. She did smoke, she said, in college. Yeah, see,
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: and look what it did for her. And she wears
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: tight bras because she says it keeps her awake. So
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: I love her.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: But, um, well, yeah.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Do you think it's like, and I guess that's a
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: big question. And also going back to what you said
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: a little bit ago, like you said, but then I
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: look at the history of time and it's like, people
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: have always been under the thumb of some type of rule,
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: haven't they? And so for us to be like, I mean,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: it's weird. It's like, part of you, it's like you're supposed,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: don't be a baby about it, you know? Like you're
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: just being, like there's some sort of oppression. And even
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: as people that can feed themselves, we're not as oppressed
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: as so many other people or people that if they
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: turn on the light, they're afraid it's going to activate
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: a bomb in the corner of their room.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: I had dinner with a guy who works for us
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: last night, literally last night. And I said, where are
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: you born? He goes, I was born in Eritrea, but
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: I grew up in a Sudanese refugee camp. I came
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: to the United States. He's an amazing guy and a wonderful,
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: wonderful guy. But I was like, gosh, you know, I'm really,
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: I'm from La Jolla. Stop whining. This is my internal dialogue.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Stop whining. Stop whining. I had to fly Southwest yesterday. Oh,
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: no one suffered more than me.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, La Jolla. But La Jolla is for sure the
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: lap of luxury of America.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: And almost every single childhood friend of mine was totally destroyed. Really?
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Not all, but most.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Oh, for sure.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Just by the.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: Drugs.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Drugs and good drugs too.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: Oh, the best. They didn't put, they did not put
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: baby laxative in our cocaine growing up. No, no, no.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: That was a ghetto thing. Yeah. No, no, no. We had,
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: it was almost blue.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: We had to wear diapers. that kid had so much
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: baby relax if it came with diapers it came with
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: fucking huggies bro that's shit we had some stuff we
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: bought yeah no no i grew up in a but
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: anyway the point is um right the point is though
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: that we've there's always been some sort of like There's
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: always been a rule. There's always been something like that.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: I think that, but- The older you are, the sadder
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: it is to see your illusion shattered and the harder
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: it is to pivot. So if you talk to people
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: who are like 23 and you're like, I think the
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: moon landing's fake.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: They're like, yeah, Gramps, it was always fake. Like, what
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: are you talking about? Right, who the fuck thought that
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: was real? Look at the video one time. Exactly. So
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: that's a- It's kind of crazy.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: Someone, a friend of mine who's unfortunately gone insane but
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: was a genius called James Carville once said to me.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: James Carville from the Democratic Party from Louisiana? Yeah. Oh,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: he lives in New Orleans.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. No, I know him well. And he's gone
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: crazy and whatever, but he really was in his prime
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: like a genius and someone I listened to very carefully.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: And he once said to me, I'll never forget, we're
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: in a restaurant in some foreign country. And he goes,
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: you know, people misunderstand the theory of evolution. And I
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: was like, I can't even do his accent, but he'd
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: be like, survival of the fittest. That's bullshit. That's not
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: what he was saying. And I said, well, what was
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: he saying? He goes, it's survival of the most flexible.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: It's adaptability.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: And he had this.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: Whole incredible rap about strength is not actually the quality
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: that helps you persevere in the face of change. It's flexibility,
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: the ability to pivot with changes that you can't control.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: It's not the mass, it's the sail.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: And in fact, strength can be a feature of, rigidity
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: can be a feature of strength. Like your window pane
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: is strong as hell. It'll last 200 years. But if
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: you tap it, it'll just shatter. No, you need to
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: be able to move with the moment that you live in.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: And so I feel like young people are in a
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: pretty good spot. But yes, for older people, it's hard to,
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: it's very upsetting. I'm sure you feel it. You're much
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: younger than I, but you still feel like, oh my gosh,
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: I thought this was real and it's not.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: And it's like heartbreaking. It's crushing. I see it a
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: lot in just probably my mother and things like that
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: see their disappointment kind of or just uncertainty about what's
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: going on. And they love the country so much because
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: it's real. It's sincere love too. That's the thing. I mean,
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: it's like it's something that's beautiful that you felt like
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: was a certain way. And now maybe some ethnicities and
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: cultures didn't feel like it was that way. And so
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: sometimes I can understand that there's different points of view there.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: But I still believe that the idea of America and
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: what it's been and that its goals and that the
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: humans that want it to be that are that it's altruistic,
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: you know, a hundred percent, but that you start to realize, oh,
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: that these powers above us there, they have something different
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: going on in that, um, they, you would think that
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: they would, I guess they just won't tell us, you know?
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: And so I think that's where some of my fear is.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: It's just like, well, evil thrives in darkness. So there's
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: no doubt about that. It's like, what does it mean
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: to be part of something moving forward? What does that
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: thing even look like? Like if I'm a citizen here now,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: what is, in five years, what is, what am I
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: a citizen of? If I, am I a citizen of
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: a country that does genocides? Am I a citizen? You know,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: who am I? You know, like I think I was
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: watching some of the Gaza stuff and I kept thinking like, well,
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: surely America will come in at some point and help.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: And stop this.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: Right. That was like my thought.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: Especially since we're not, when you say genocide, you're not guessing.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: It's not like some propaganda term. It's the definition. And
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: we know that not just from the video of its victims,
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: but from the testimony of, of the people perpetrating it.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: Members of the current government, cabinet secretaries in the current
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: Israeli government are on tape, including this week, saying we
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: kill them because of how they were born.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: There's sub- Is that true?
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: Oh my, yeah. Like what's an example of that? Smotrich, Ben-Gavir. Oh, look,
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: we need to get them out Let me see. These
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: are people who were born there.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: I just want to see. Oh, it's insane.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: It is. Because look, people, you know, you often hear
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: apologists for what's happening there for the atrocity.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: Say, well, look, it's war. People die.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: OK. One of the reasons I'm not that enthusiastic about
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: war because innocents die. We always have to oppose the
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: murder of innocents or else we're not civilized. What is civilization?
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: We're on the good side. We're civilized. They're savages. There
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: are a lot of savages in this world. I know some.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: And what separates the savage from the civilized person is
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: the civilized person will never accept the murder of innocents.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: You didn't do anything wrong. We can't kill you. It's
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: that simple.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: Well, just I don't like it if it's unfair. That's
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: the definition of unfair. You didn't do anything. A child
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: didn't do anything.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: Or an unarmed woman did not deserve to be murdered.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: And who is this? That's the finance minister of Israel.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: The truth is, until the last hostage returns, we shouldn't
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: even give water to the Gaza Strip. For a year
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: and a half, we've been beating the hell out of Hamas.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: We're breaking Gaza apart, leaving it as a pile of rubble,
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: with total unprecedented destruction in the world, and the world
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: still hasn't stopped us. The aim is to achieve the
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: one and only required outcome, the conquest of Gaza, the
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: annihilation of Hamas, and the return of all the hostages.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: In one word, victory. So that's their view on it
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: right there, you know?
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: He's saying we're killing people and leveling the country in
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: order to move the population out. So how is that
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: different from saying there are certain people in my capital
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: city I don't want here, I'm going to put them
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: on trains and move them east? There's no difference. People
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: are being killed here. and expelled from the place where
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: they were born because of their bloodline. That, in the
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: world that I grew up in, which is the United
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: States of America, The main lesson, the lesson of World
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: War II, the reason we fought against fascism was we
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: reject that. We do not kill people or expel them
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: or put them on trains or put them in internment
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: camps or move them to, quote, third countries, as Smotrich
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: just said, because of how they were born. Exactly, because
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: of their bloodline. Because we don't accept that because we're Christians.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: We think that every person was created as an individual
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: and judged as an individual, period. We don't believe in
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: this shit. That's the enemy of civilization right there. The Israelis,
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: to be clear, are not the only people who think
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: this way. Plenty of people think this way. But we
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: are better than all of them because we don't think
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: this way. And all of a sudden, you've got people
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: in the United States, current United States government. You've got
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: people in our media class. They're all defending this because
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: they agree with it. And then you see people jumping
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: up and being like, Muslims shouldn't have jobs in the
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: United States or in the U.S. government.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: It's like. How is that better than saying Jews shouldn't
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: have jobs or Christians or Buddhists?
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: It's all the same. That kind of thinking is genocidal.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: It leads to the genocide we're watching right now in
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: Gaza and to many other genocides. For the fifth time,
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: it's not just Israel. It does this, okay? But this
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: is what we're fighting against. This is why we're better.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: Why are we better? Because we have more... And better shopping?
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: Or because we have, you know, Mount Shasta and Key West? No.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: Because we have some moral compass. Exactly. And we're able
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: to also take care of ourselves at the same time,
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: But our moral compass is what? It's based on what's
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: the north, what's north of our moral compass? We don't
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: kill innocents. And yes, we have, and we regret it,
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: and we grieve over it because it's wrong. That's our
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: moral compass right there. If you didn't do anything wrong,
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: we don't get to kill you or expel you from
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: your home because you're innocent, because we believe in justice,
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: also called fairness. That's the whole fucking point of this country.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: And so when I see people arguing against that or
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: calling me a Nazi when they're literally wholesale adopting the
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: Nazi mindset... But then I think, you know what?
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: I'm not mad.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: This is the state of play in life. It's always
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: been this way. And my job is what? To love
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: the people around me and to tell the truth no
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: matter what. And I think that's freeing.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I think I do think once you say like, yeah,
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: if I get to a point where I can just
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: share what I think or what I feel, whether I'm
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: right or wrong, if I can speak up for my feelings.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: But then also if you look at our history, we
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: kind of, America did that to other people when it started. Yes.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: And you would think that we'd learned that it was wrong,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: and that's where we are now.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: Well, we've acknowledged that it's wrong, I think. I mean, look,
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: you can acknowledge something is wrong without self-flagellating to the
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: point where you're incapable of going forward, which is kind of.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: Where we are. Right, that's the problem. It's like you
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: can't do it to the point where you're incapable of
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: going forward. Like, oh, well, this mistake was made not
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: by us. This mistake was made by people in the past.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: Or at that time who believed that colonialism was fine
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: and that was a different– people were playing by a
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: different set of rules.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: But that's the whole point of America is that we
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: have like standards of decency, fairness.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: I love that you use that word because that is
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: the core of it. It's fairness.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: Justice is overused. Fairness is underused. It's just– a child
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: knows what's fair. If his brother is getting three Oreos
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: and he's getting one, that's just unfair. He doesn't have
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: a degree in economics. He just feels it. He knows it.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: The sense of fairness is innate. Dogs have it. because
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: it's part of the natural fabric.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: It's organic.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: And we are a fair country. And the rich man
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: gets the same treatment in the justice system as the
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: poor man. It doesn't matter where you're from. You're both
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: citizens and you're both equal because you're both created by God.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: That's our whole system in one sentence. And that is
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: being eroded because the people who run our system agree
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: with Smotrich and every other third world dictator who These
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: people are damned by their birth, whatever they are. That's
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: what affirmative action is. It's like, no, I don't like
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: the way your parents looked. You don't get the job. What?
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: That's what we hated about the Nazis, what we hated
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: about segregation, which I want to say was evil.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Segregation was evil. Why?
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: Because it punished some people and rewarded others on the
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: basis of things they couldn't control, their skin color.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we'd had mixed babies a lot sooner too,
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: which are pretty cute, a lot of them, to be
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: honest with you.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: There are all kinds of other effects, but like, fairness
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: is what we need to preserve. Why is Epstein infuriating?
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: Because it's unfair.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: That's why.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: Not because he molested kids or his buddies molested kids.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: It's because the president of Harvard was involved in it.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: Alan Dershowitz, all these famous people. Prince Retard, whatever the
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: guy in Great Britain, the kind of retarded-looking prince.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that guy is.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: Bill Gates. All the most powerful people in the world
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: got away with it. And there's tons of child molestation
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: in America, but there's expectation that they'll be punished for
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: doing it. These people we know in our hearts will
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: never be punished because they're rich.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: But we don't know... That's unfair. We don't know for
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: sure that they molested children, though. We don't.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: We don't know for sure. But we know that there's
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: never been... A real inquiry into it because the people
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: around it were powerful and rich that we can say
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: for sure. And that's still happening.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: OK, well, that I'll say is that, yeah, there's obvious
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: that there's not of it feels like there's an unfair
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: investigation that's or or a lack of investigation or it's
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: just this lie that keeps getting remodeled. It's this clay
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: of a lie. that keeps getting remodeled and put into
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: the museum in front of us all the time. But
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: go to all your neighbors on the street and ask them. Oh,
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: everybody thinks something happened?
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: No, but ask them, like, if your name popped up as, like,
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: a visitor to Peddo Island 11 times, do you think
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: you would, like, be protected in the way that all
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: these other people have been protected?
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: Of course not.
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: You have no money and power.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: You'd be ground beneath them. Oh, Dershowitz had a fast pass,
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: I think, if anybody had one. That guy's unbelievable. I
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: don't know, but I don't know anything. That's just allegedly.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: So I have to pee really fast.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: Good. I'm going to go, too.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: You are?
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: Can we go together like women? No.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: No?
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: Good. I like your attitude.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: Nope. Anyway, we just took a pee break, guys, so
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: we're back. Why do you think that you made the
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: anti-Semite list? I think because I'm not an anti-Semite.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: And I get what you're saying.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: No, but I mean, I'm literally not an anti-Semite, and
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: I reject anti-Semitism as totally immoral and anti-Christian. So I'm
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: not only not by temperament an anti-Semite, you know, million
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: Jewish people I love, I also reject it as a
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: way of thinking. And so why would they call me that?
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: And it's sincere. Again, for the fifth time, if I was,
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: I would just say so. And I'm not.
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: So why do they call me that?
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: Well, because I think they think I'm effective because I'm
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: not a hater, right? So they have to take out
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: the guy who actually might change people's minds. But I
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: think it's deeper than that. I think there's a spiritual
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: dimension where they want me to become an anti-Semite and
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: a hater, both so they can control and dismiss me.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, he's a Nazi. He's David Duke or whatever.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: He's crazy. But also because some of the people pushing
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: this are evil. And by evil, I mean specifically they
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: are committed to lying and violence. Those are the hallmarks
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: of evil, lying and violence and chaos and division.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: So they're not going to play by any other rules.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: This is not, so we're not in a, we're not
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: where we used to be, or we used to pretend
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: we were.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: Where we all thought we were playing by the same rules.
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: And the rules were, if you have a better argument
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: than I have, then you win.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: And may the best argument win. We're so far beyond that.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: And I think the murder of Charlie Kirk was the
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: moment when we could just admit it to ourselves. This
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: is a guy whose whole life revolved around the proposition. Let's,
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: let's debate. And they didn't want to debate whoever they is.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: They murdered him. And, and, To be specific, who killed
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk? Well, I don't know is the short answer.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: But when we do find out if we ever do,
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: I doubt we will. But if we do, I think, again,
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: we'll not be surprised. It's just all tentacles from the
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: same octopus, and the octopus is evil.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: It's not an ethnic group. It's not a country. It's evil.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: This is what evil is. What is evil? Evil is
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: a commitment to deception and violence, period. That's what it is.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: So it's too easy to be like, oh, it's Netanyahu
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: or Smotrich or whatever. No, it's evil. It's existed from
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: the beginning of time. It will exist until the end
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: of time, and it has been the thing against which
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: people have fought through all of history. It's evil. It
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: manifests itself in a million different ways, but its hallmarks
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: are always dishonesty and violence.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It feels like we've been a bit afraid to
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: stand up against evil. Um, does that make sense to you?
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: Of course it does.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: John Rich was just talking about it on your podcast
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: the other day. And I thought that that was a
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: really neat episode. Wonderful. And I, um, I learned a
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: lot about John Rich and just like his clarity of thought,
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: I thought was really neat.
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: We were on a hunting trip and a pheasant hunting
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: trip two weeks ago. When we did that, he can
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: shoot too, which is nice. He can, he was bringing
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: them down.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: We had a lot of hits. I know.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: Um, but that, yeah, but, we shouldn't be afraid of
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: it and we shouldn't be, so my struggle is against
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: being shocked. Like every time I learn something, I'm like,
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: holy shit, I can't believe, I'm so, I can't believe it.
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: Like this or that institution's corrupt or this or that
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: person is lying. And it's like, I'm acting like a child.
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: Why would I be shocked? That's what this is. What
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: did you think it was, dude? We live in a
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: fallen world filled with dishonesty and violence. My job, all dishonesty.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: of our jobs or to fight against those things. Yeah.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: People always want to be in a war. People always like, man,
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: I wish I had something that was like a challenge
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: in the world. It's like we are in, we are
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: in a fight of good and evil. And it's not
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: to say that any of us are perfect or that
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: we don't all have mistakes or things that we wish
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: we had done or not done. But overall it does
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: feel like this is like a video game of good
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: versus evil. And you have to start to see that
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: like you're a player in it. One thing that I,
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: this is why you're so effective.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: This is why, you know, at some point people may
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: try to make you be quiet, is because you approach
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: all of this with humility, which is one of the
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: hallmarks of good, in my opinion. Like almost every sentence
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: you begin on this topic begins with, I'm no one
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: to judge and I'm not, you know, that is the posture.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: Humility is the posture. And one thing you notice about
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: evil is its certainty, is its judgmental, condemnatory quality, you know,
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: Mark Levin, you're evil, you're fascist, anti-Semite, Nazi, Islamist, whatever.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: It's mirror images, what you just showed, which is, you know,
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: we're all kind of screwed up, but we're trying to
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: get to the truth.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: Like that is, that's the approach. That's the posture. That's
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: the way to tell the truth. Well, I think that's
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: what most people are doing. That's what most people are trying.
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: You know, I feel like- Because that's truly honest.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: Like I've been wrong about so much. Am I really
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: gonna stand up and be like, I am positive of this?
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: It's like, no, I'm doing the best I can. That's
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: the only honest way to approach it.
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: When, especially like as a country, when you're paying into
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: taxes and you're, and you're, um, showing up to vote
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: and you're, um, trying to help your neighbor and you're,
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: you know, you're trying to follow the rules and do
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: the best that you can. Uh, you, you know, you,
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: at a certain point, that's like, you're, you're, you're giving
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: into something as a group that you're like giving into
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: something like, this is how we believe that we should
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: behave and that it best suits us moving forward. And then,
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: When it's really started to just feel, and I think
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: it's kind of obvious at this point, that the higher-ups
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: are not working for us anymore. They're not working with us.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: And that's what I think has become the most evident
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: in the past year especially is that people are like, oh,
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: no matter who we elect, on which side, whatever it is,
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: it's all this sort of shell game. and we're finally
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: starting to see some of it.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: And I thought it was interesting that- Well, not working
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: for us is kind of the most benign description. Like,
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: not working for you, that's just indifference. That's abandonment. That's
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: when your parents, like, go on vacation and don't come home.
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: What's happening to us is having, like, a creepy stepfather. Like,
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: I actually think there's malicious intent here.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: But how could so many politicians and stuff get compromised?
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: That's what I don't understand. Wouldn't there be more people
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: that stood up and said, hey, this isn't right? Like,
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: That's what I find hard to believe.
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: Well, because they all made the deal. And all of them,
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: all of them make the deal. And the deal is
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: not always explicit. And the deal, everyone thinks it's about
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: sexual blackmail, which is totally real. All the porn sites
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: are visible. Like, go to a porn site. People know
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: exactly what you're looking at. There's a video of you
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: looking at it. It's just a fact. Okay, so there's that.
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: And a lot of them are secretly gay. Of course
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: we know that. But I don't think, and I have
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: drinking problems or cheating on their wives or whatever.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: Is that enough to keep people? No, I think it's
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: actually deeper than that. It's not enough. It's not enough.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: Like the obvious ones, like why is Lindsey Graham for
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: this or that war?
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: It's like, okay, yeah, I got it.
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: Because if you're trying to slurp on little fellas or whatever,
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: or you're jacking off to like, you know, butt activity
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: or whatever. Like, does that like, you know, like, I mean,
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: definitely pedophile on little fellas. I mean, pedophiling is bad.
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: It is not good at all. It's horrible. Right. But
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: if you're just like looking at per not, I'm just like.
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: That's not the answer though. That's not, that's not most
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: of them are not being sexually blackmail. Some are. I mean,
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: I think the Epstein thing was probably that to some extent.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: But no, it's much deeper and more recognizable and part
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: of our daily life than that. It's much more insidious
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: than that because it's less dramatic than that. It's the
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: deal that we all make with ourselves to get what
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: we want. Like, I want to be powerful. I want
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: to get reelected. I want to get rich. I want
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: to bang that girl. And you make these compromises with
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: yourself in which you consciously decide to be dishonest. You decide,
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: in some cases, violent.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: That is true.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: Or whatever.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: How do they get so many people, though? Because like
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: you look at some.
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: Of these system itself is that like you get in
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: order to get elected.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: I have to do the following things.
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  Speaker 2: I have to basically subvert democracy by carrying water for
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: a tiny group of people against the interests of my
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: actual voters. Like that itself is a sin. It's a crime,
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: but it's so ubiquitous. You don't even notice it. It's
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: deals like that. I'm going to take money from a
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: foreign lobby that somehow isn't registered as a foreign lobby
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: or whatever. I'll support this thing that I think is
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: probably pretty wrong, but I'm going to do it because
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  Speaker 2: I have to. It's those kinds of moral compromises that
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: wind up making people slaves.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: And that's what they are.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: They're slaves. We have hundreds of slaves, otherwise known as
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: members of Congress. And what are they slaves to? Evil.
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  Speaker 2: Because they've made these compromises in order to get what
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: they think is the prize.
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  Speaker 1: Which is re-election. It's a crazy movie.
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: It's real though, man.
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: I know, that's a crazy.
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: But it's all of us. Like all of us have
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: made that deal. That's why it's so important to reframe
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  Speaker 2: it in your head. It's not just some freak on
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: Pedo Island, you know, banging a child and then, oh,
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  Speaker 2: they have them by the balls because they have videotape
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  Speaker 2: of him. No, no, no, it's all of us. If
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  Speaker 2: I just do this thing, it's worth it, man. It's
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  Speaker 2: for the greater good. It's for my family. It's for,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I need, you hear this every election season.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, I don't want to vote for this shithead,
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  Speaker 2: You're making a deal with the devil, dude. With the devil.
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  Speaker 1: That's what that is.
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  Speaker 1: That's the deal.
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• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: you see these politicians. They're like, oh no, it's not. No,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: there are good reasons for doing this. No, really. what
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: is that? It's not a free man. That's an enslaved man.
• 1:00:14
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• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: exude this kind of peace and joy. And they're like, no,
• 1:00:20
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  Speaker 2: You can shoot me, go ahead and shoot me. It's
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  Speaker 2: ourselves in slavery with that deal.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the pain of like, of holding on to like
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  Speaker 1: lies and stuff like that. And shame and stuff like that.
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• 1:01:00
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  Speaker 2: my butt.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's Zin. Sorry.
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  Speaker 2: ALP is oral use only.
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  Speaker 1: ALP's for the front. It's the pouch for your mouth. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I like that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. ALP for the front. They should say
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  Speaker 2: because we already have for oral use only the pouch
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  Speaker 1: Dude, I used to date a girl and her cooter
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  Speaker 1: was like way more in the front than it was
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The problem is we're getting to a point of like
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  Speaker 2: what's going on that in order to be honest now
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  Speaker 2: honest about this stuff but not about that thing that's
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  Speaker 2: not enough so true honesty also called integrity is what
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  Speaker 2: is needed it's hard well you get killed you know,
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  Speaker 2: you get killed. Like the system itself, and this is
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  Speaker 2: you see it. I've known very few honest members of Congress.
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  Speaker 2: I've known a couple, however. One of them just left Congress,
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  Speaker 2: and the other is being primaried. MTG you're talking about?
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  Speaker 1: What does being primary mean? I'm sorry to interrupt you.
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  Speaker 2: It means that your own party says, we want you out.
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  Speaker 2: rates or your debt load.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like anti-APAC. He's big against those types of things.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's not for pointless wars. So that's a
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  Speaker 2: deal killer. But it's not just that.
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  Speaker 1: It's the he... So yeah, the Israeli lobby's mad at him.
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  Speaker 2: Got it.
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  Speaker 1: But it's deeper. It's he won't be controlled. And if
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't think something, he's not going to say it. Period.
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  Speaker 2: He may be wrong, but he's sincere. Sincerity is the kryptonite.
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  Speaker 2: That's what makes....
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: The evil person die is sincerity. No, I really mean it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not kidding. I can't be bought. I'm totally sincere.
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  Speaker 2: If they smell sincerity on you, well, that's why they're
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  Speaker 2: calling me the most dangerous anti-Semite since Adolf Hitler himself.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, what?
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  Speaker 2: Because I'm not a genius. I'm not powerful at all.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a fucking podcaster. Like I don't have actually any power,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm not kidding at all. I'm completely sincere. I
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  Speaker 2: may be wrong. I often have been, but I'm not joking.
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  Speaker 2: That itself. So they're hassling me. Imagine if I was
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  Speaker 2: a member of Congress or a presidential candidate or anybody
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  Speaker 2: who has sincerity is marked immediately because that person's a
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  Speaker 2: threat to everybody currently benefiting from the system. And you
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: saw that with Marjorie. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think happened there? Because a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people say that allegedly she made a lot of money
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  Speaker 1: off of stock returns and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 2: That just cracks me up. That's like saying, you know,
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  Speaker 2: have you been, I know I was just talking to
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  Speaker 2: Tim Dillon the other day. He was a friend of mine.
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  Speaker 2: Awesome guy, but he's the best. He is the best. And,
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  Speaker 2: but you know, he's everyone, they're all claiming he's taking
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  Speaker 2: money from Qatar.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Me too. They say that.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, they say that about you?
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I went there once. I had a blast, dude.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going tomorrow. Are you? I'm buying a house in Qatar.
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  Speaker 2: Why am I doing that? because fuck you not only
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  Speaker 2: have i never taken a dollar from qatar or anybody
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: i have no investors zero i have no debt i
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  Speaker 2: don't owe anybody anything period and never will i've never
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  Speaker 2: taken money for them i'm gonna i'm gonna invest money
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  Speaker 2: in qatar i'm gonna do just the opposite just to
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  Speaker 2: just to give the finger plus it's a great.
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  Speaker 1: Country dude i had a great time when i was
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  Speaker 1: there they treated it super nice i know that they
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  Speaker 1: have different rules and stuff for their people and that
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  Speaker 1: we may disagree with some of them and stuff like
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  Speaker 1: that it's like But those aren't my rules. I don't
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  Speaker 1: have to– like if I go visit, I have to
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  Speaker 1: live by their rules. But if I'm from our country,
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  Speaker 1: then I can live by our rules.
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  Speaker 2: I completely agree. But they accuse you of what they are,
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  Speaker 2: and what they are is corrupt. So Marjorie, did she
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  Speaker 2: make a ton of money trading on stocks with insider information?
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  Speaker 1: I bet my house she didn't. I mean this is
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  Speaker 1: somebody I know well. You do know her well.
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  Speaker 2: I know her well. And you can agree or disagree
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  Speaker 2: with her, of course, but you can't say she's in
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: it for the money, really? I don't think so. I
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  Speaker 2: don't think she's interested in money. I think she's interested
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  Speaker 2: in the country. And again, we can debate whether she's
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: on the right track or the wrong track. You think
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: her ideas are smart or stupid, but her sincerity is
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: the most obvious thing about her. And it's also the
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  Speaker 2: most threatening thing about her. In fact, it's the only
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: thing that they hate is sincerity because sincerity is purity
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: and it can't be bought. And so, of course, the
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: first thing they're like, oh, you must be getting paid
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  Speaker 2: by somebody.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: No, I'm not. And that's why you hate me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: If I was as corrupt as Dan Crenshaw, you really
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: think they would hassle me? Dan Crenshaw, the guy from Texas? Yeah.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: Is he corrupt?
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: Well, on the most deep, on a moral level, he's
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: completely corrupt. I mean, he takes orders from his donors
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: to do things that have nothing to do with the
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: welfare of his voters. So by definition, he's corrupt. Yes.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: And also crazy and and drunk and all the rest. Sad, sad.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: I'm not, actually.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: Oh, I think I met him at a nightclub one time. Yeah, well,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you did.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: But I shouldn't be, I feel sorry for Dan Crenshaw
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: being serious. But anyway, the point is, the more corrupt
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: you are, the more they like you because they can
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: control you. What they don't want is someone who might
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: do something unexpected who they can't control.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: That's what they fear, obviously. It's what everybody fears. So
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: for Marjorie, what do you think happened in that meeting?
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: Because she had a meeting, I guess, with Trump?
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know what happened between her
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: and Trump. I know what happened to her over the
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: past five years serving in Congress, which was she was like.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: Trump withdrew his political endorsement and publicly insulted Greene, labeling
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: her as a traitor. due to her vocal opposition to
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: his handling of Epstein files and other policy disagreements.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: Green announced her resignation effective January 5th, 2026 to avoid
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: a divisive primary challenge. But why not? Divisive?
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: Huh?
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: Is it divisive? A primary challenge?
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: Divisive.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: Oh, divisive.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: I've never figured.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: They change it so much. Yeah, they do.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: They do.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: Um, Do they– but why not go and challenge then?
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: Why secede then? Why not go and say, OK, I'm
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: going to keep fighting and people are going to support you?
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: I honestly don't know the answer.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: You don't?
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: The only thing I know– I really don't. I haven't
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: talked to her about it and I don't know the answer.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: I'm sure there's thinking behind it that I'm not that
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: great at– thinking about what the right move in politics is.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: But I know big picture what happened because I saw
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: it up close. which is she showed up very much
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: like any other person. It's like, this country has problems.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: I want to fix them. And she shows up and
• 1:13:13
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• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: too close to what the truth is. And the truth
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: is the people running the system are completely corrupt and
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: the welfare of their people, our country's people, is not
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: even on their list of concerns at all. They're beholden
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: to the people who pay them or who threaten them.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: And she said that out loud. Oh, man. She had
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: like very few allies. Once you say that, you're marked.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: So I think she concluded, this is my understanding, she concluded,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: I can't, I'm having no effect here at all. It's
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: driving me crazy. And the Epstein thing, you know, I've
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: never understood what the justification for keeping that information secret.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: Epstein was murdered in prison, okay? I know a lot
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: about it. I'm not just throwing that out there. Epstein
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: was murdered in prison.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: Well, they put him with a cellmate that was kind
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: of a crazy, like, former police officer, right?
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a former police officer killed a number of drug dealers.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying that guy did it, but I'm saying, well,
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: I asked Bureau of Prisons because I learned all this
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: stuff about it because I know Epstein's brother, Mark, well.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: And I never expected to get down this rabbit hole
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: at all. The guy called me, like, a week after
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: his brother was killed.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: Mark did?
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and so, yeah, it was... literally sitting in my
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: backyard in Maine, and he called me, and I don't
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: know how he got my cell. And it ended up
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: this years-long thing. It's not interesting, and I won't bore
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: you with it, but the bottom line is Jeff Epstein
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: was murdered in federal lockup in Manhattan in the secure unit.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: I think there were only 16 men on the unit,
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: and I think only 14 there. I may have thought
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: slightly wrong, but it's very small, and it's the most
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: secure federal lockup in the United States, and he got
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: murdered in it. So that raises all kinds of obvious questions,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: like who has the power to do that? So it's
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: a big deal. And then the attorney general at the
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: time helped cover it up. And I know him and
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: Bill Barr. And I say that and he's like, I'm
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: going to sue you. And I said, go ahead and
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: sue me. I hope you will. And what's the answer?
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: Why don't you answer?
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: He never will.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: Well, it turns out and this does make you crazy,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: that his father, Donald Barr, is the guy who started
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: Epstein's career, who both gave him his first job, for
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: which he was not qualified, and then got him his
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: second job at Bear Stearns, for which he was definitely unqualified.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: What is that, former CIA guy, OSS guy? But anyway,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: the point is, that question of how an American citizen,
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: kid-toucher or not, could get murdered in federal lockup in
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: our biggest city, like, holy shit, that should scare everybody,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: and then the Attorney General of the United States is
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: covering it up. He admitted, this is the attorney general
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: when Epstein was murdered, said, I told everyone around me,
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: we need to make sure the country believes this was
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: a suicide. It's like you haven't even done a freaking investigation.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: You're the chief law enforcement officer and you're telling me
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: the outcome before you even look into it?
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: How do you know that?
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: Because he admitted it in his autobiography. And so I'm
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: not guessing at any of this stuff, okay? So I
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: called Bureau of Prisons, and I'm like, I want the
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: names of the inmates who are serving on this block,
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: because clearly nobody got in or out of the block.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: Right, well, it also was a question to our prison system.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: It's like, how would you not know? Obviously, this is
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: the guy you have to protect. They did it on purpose,
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: and he was murdered clearly by another inmate. I mean,
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: I did like an hour on this.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: Anyone interested can look it up, but I'm not a
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: conspiracy nut at all. I've been a journalist my whole life.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: I've often been wrong, but I've always been attentive to
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: what I believe the facts to be. I think it
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: really matters whether you're accurate, and I've tried to be.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: So it was not a perfect storm of screw-ups. They
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: never did the investigation into how this guy died. They
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: redressed him in clothes that he wasn't wearing when he
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: died for pictures in the hospital infirmary. All the records
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: of what happened to his body are gone. And critically,
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: we cannot get– and I tried directly by calling the
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: attorney general's office. I want a list of the names
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: of the inmates. It's publicly available. They're convicted felons, dude.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: This is not secret information. It's not national security information.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: Why can't you tell me that? They allowed him to
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: be murdered in federal lockup. So leave all the Petto
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: Island stuff out of it. And just ask yourself, how
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: can we continue to live in a country where a
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: high profile inmate can be murdered in our prison system
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: by some who's powerful enough to do that?
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: And so these are not only legitimate questions, they're essential questions.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: And like we're mad at the people asking them.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: That's the weirdest thing.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: Fuck you. Yeah.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: Sorry, I'm trying to get up. No, that's one of
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: the craziest things right now. It feels like the people
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: you're supposed to be able to ask, you can't, like,
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: we're the weird people now for asking questions. It's like
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: you get labeled as the weird guy for asking questions.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: Don't let them into your head. They just had that lady,
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: Bari Weiss, or whatever her name is, and she was
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: on ABC. One of the greatest liars in our public life.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: Did you see this video she said? I think she
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: mentioned you in it.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: Unbelievable liar.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 3: The last thing that I'm beginning to sort of reckon
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 3: with right now is the extent of profound anti-American and
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: anti-Jewish sentiment on large parts of the American right. A
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: lot of the illiberalism on the left that came from
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: the fringe into the mainstream of the Democratic Party began
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: as a fringe online movement that a lot of Democrats
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 3: and a lot of liberals waved away because it was
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: just some crazy influencers online. And woe to the people
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: that still are telling themselves that and still believe that
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: the things that Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson are saying
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 3: will not make an impact on the right.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: Because they will.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: Everything about that is just so amazing to me. I'm anti-American, really.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: My family's been here for 400 years. I have no
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: allegiance to any foreign country. I put my country first
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: and you. It takes a lot of balls for Barry Weiss,
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: who acts openly on behalf of a foreign country. Her
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: only concerns are not American concerns. They pertain to the
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: fortunes of a foreign country.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: Do they really?
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: Oh, yes. Um, yes, I'm not, that's an informed statement. And, um,
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: calling me anti-American, you can say that Carlson's an asshole
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: or whatever, but she has to call me the one
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: thing that she is, which is like this weird psychology,
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: I have to say. I'm calling me a hater. I'm
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: a lot of things, a buffoon, a hothead, you know,
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: bad table manners, whatever, fat. I'm not anti-American. That's all
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: I care about.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't say fat, maybe holiday chubby, maybe.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: Okay, so that's the first thing.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: Like, you seem like you own a couple Build-A-Bears, probably,
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: you know? But just the seasonal ones. I think you
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: always look like you're ready for Christmas, kind of.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: You know what? I wear the same clothes, and it
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: keeps my weight down. I'm so cheap, I'm not buying
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: new clothes, ever. And I just wear, I wear size 36,
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: and if I get above that, I'm just going to
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: suffer through it until I stop eating donuts. But anyway,
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: and I'm not attacking, look, here's what I'm saying. I
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: think Barry Weiss is super energetic.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: But why is it someone who's supporting a different country
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: and not our country first, ahead of a network?
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: Calling me anti-American.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: Right, but also... I'm like, okay. Carrie Weiss is a
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: vocal supporter of Israel, describing her views as pro-Israel.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: She's a, quote, Zionist fanatic calling me. She's a self-identified
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: Zionist fanatic calling me. Whatever. Obviously, I'm being too literal.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: But why does she get to be the head? And
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know the lady, but why does she get to,
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: if her allegiance isn't to America first, how is she
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: the head of an American network?
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: Well, that's, of course, an entirely fair question that you're
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: not allowed to ask. But here's the deeper thing that
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: I've been meditating on recently is that a lot of
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: our overlords, like Barry Weiss, are actually totally mediocre. And
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: the most depressing thing about the United States in 2025
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: is that we're led not just by bad people, but
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: by unimpressive, dumb, totally non-creative people. Barry Weiss has no
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: experience in journalism at all. Like, she's never committed to,
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: she's like an opinion writer or whatever for the New
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: York Times or something. She's not a journalist. Like, never
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: written a freaking story in her life.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: And she's dumb, she doesn't know anything.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: So that's fine, lots of dumb people, my dogs are dumb,
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: I don't hold it against them, but for you to
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: ascend to the top of whatever pyramid you think you occupy,
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: and you're not even impressive, like Bill Ackman, same thing,
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: Bill Ackman's worth like $ 8 billion or something, it's fine,
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: I don't care if Bill Ackman, whatever Bill Ackman does,
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: but I know Bill Ackman, he's kind of dumb. He's
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: not ever created anything. He's totally non-creative. How do these
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: people wind up running our biggest institutions? And the reason
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: that's significant is because if you pay close enough attention
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: and you realize that the people running everything are stupid,
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: then you think, well, actually the system is truly rigged
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: on behalf of people who do not deserve these positions
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: at all. It's not just that I disagree with Barry
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: Weiss or she's calling me names or I'm calling her
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: names or whatever. It's like in no fair system and
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: no meritocracy would Barry Weiss rise above secretary. Like actually,
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: and I mean that. I've been in this business since
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: Barry Weiss was breastfeeding, okay? There's no world in which
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: Barry Weiss rises to the top of a news network
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: except a rigged world. That's it.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: Does that make sense? It's shocking to me. Right. They're
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: not like people aren't even putting their best people in front.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: It's almost a humiliation exercise.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: It's like we're going to take someone as stupid as
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: Bill Ackman and give him $ 8 billion. We're going to
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: take someone as stupid and totally non-creative, like literally uninformed.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: Like she didn't even know who Assad was. Like she's
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: an idiot. And we're going to put her in charge
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: of CBS News just to show that individual merit is energy, creativity,
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: which is the most important thing. Creativity is what a
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: healthy society rewards because we are designed to create things.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: That's why we're not animals, we're human beings. The creative
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: power is the spark that distinguishes us from all other species.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: We create things.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: God created the world, he created us in his image,
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: and we henceforth create things. So creativity has to be
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: the most rewarded factor in any healthy society. And now,
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: because our society is inverse, it's upside down, creativity is penalized.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: How dare you say that? It's not what every other
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: drone is saying. It's not what the machine tells us
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: to say. And Barry Weiss, the single least creative human being,
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: the single most robotic, what are the talking points? Repeating them,
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: that person winds up at the top of the pyramid.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: It is, that is what offends me. It's not that
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: she loves Israel. I don't give a shit what she
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: thinks of Israel. It's not that She criticizes me. Obviously,
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: I don't really care. It's that her presence at the
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: top of CBS News means all of those institutions are
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: totally fake.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: That's why. All of what institutions? The news institutions?
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: Well, that institution, Wall Street, Bill Ackman, you tell me one,
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: and I'm not even like moralizing, and I don't hate
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: Bill Ackman, but like Bill Ackman's an idiot.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: Who is he? I don't know him.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: He's a hedge fund guy who's made most of his
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: money by short selling, and that means- I go on
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: CNBC and I attack your company, its stock price falls,
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: and I've made a reverse bet against the stock price,
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: and I get rich. You tell me how that benefits
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: your society. Talking about American companies? Like, how is that productive?
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: How is that the act of creation? It's the act
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: of destruction. And I give you $ 8 billion, the whole
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: system is rigged, okay?
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: Well, I think a lot of people feel that now.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: They feel like the system is rigged. They feel like
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: there's no way for them to win. They feel like
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: it's all insider trading. They feel like it's, Hollywood or
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: the news creates a narrative that affects what goes on
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: and then other.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: People who have been- But it's garbage. The movies are garbage.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: The mass media, all of it is turning out slop
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: and it's like- I understand that, but how does that evolve?
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: How do things get better?
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: Those institutions are done. So our job, again, is to
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: love the people around us and tell the truth. And
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: in that act, we make things better, okay? Because new- Okay. Dude,
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: you've got the second biggest podcast in the world or something?
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: I haven't looked at the charts, but. Okay. We're doing good.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: I know you're number seven.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: I've been in this my whole life. You've been in
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: this like, I don't know, you were a standup comedian
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: and all of a sudden you're like dominating global podcasting.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: It's like, how did that happen? That's the new, it's
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: just one example, but that's the new institution.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, we're doing our best, dude.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: No, but it's working. That's the point.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: My friend said these glasses aren't even real the other day.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: Are those not?
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: Those are pretty ugly to be fake. If you're going
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: to buy, yeah. If you're going to buy fake glasses,
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: like I.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: Everybody hates these. I just got them. They used to
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: call those birth control glasses.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: Really? Yeah, those work.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: You're never going to impregnate anyone in those glasses. Would
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: you know my name? Dude, I'm never going to knock
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: anybody out. You're right.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: You're right. You're totally right.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: You know what?
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: I think you just overcame your eyewear with that. You
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: break out the acoustic aircraft and even I want to
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: sleep with you. I totally agree. No, but I think
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: for all that, like I do think, what's the phrase
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: they use though? or whatever, everyone's like, so, it's all
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: falling apart. That's a stage on the continuum. This is
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: an arc of consciousness, and you realize, holy shit, everything
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: is terrible, it's falling apart. And then you get through that,
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: and this just happened to me, I just got through it,
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, yes, but a new world is being born,
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: like for real, and it's beautiful, and it's honest, and
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: it's creative. It's not just, it's not just, it's not
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: fake everything. What you hate about the modern world is
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: that it lacks creativity and creativity is the human spark.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: It's the energy that makes you different from the chair
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: you're sitting in. And that is, is bursting out everywhere.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: And I love it.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: Well, they, I saw an article the other day. Um,
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: did you see about how, Oh, with Tik TOK, right?
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: With social media, with trying to own the companies, right?
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: Did you see that video with Yet and Yahoo for
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: the TikTok ownership? This is wild, bro. This is a fun.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: You can't fight today with swords. That doesn't work very well.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: But we have to fight with the weapons that apply
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: to the battlefields in which we're engaged. And the most
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: important ones are on social media. And the most important
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: purchase that is going on right now is class swords.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: Buy a column.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: Somebody said, buy followers. How hilarious is that, dude? That's
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: the best. TikTok. TikTok.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: Number one.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: Number one.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: And I hope it goes through because it can be consequential.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: Imagine saying that. What is that? Why did he say that,
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: do you think? Why did he just confirm every... crazed
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: anti-Semitic conspiracy online. Jews control everything. And there's literally the
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: prime minister of Israel being like, yes, we control everything.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: Why would he say something? First of all, he, like
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: Barry Weiss, is kind of stupid, clever, ruthless, but stupid,
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: not creative at all.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: There's that.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: But there's a deeper reason, because he's trying to inspire hatred.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: He's trying to inspire hatred. Yes, we control everything. And
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: I'm not falling for it. I'm not going to be
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: a hater. I don't care what they do.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean we're being a hater in the sense
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: of like if you hate against him. But I guess
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: if you're saying it's evil, then yeah, hating evil isn't wrong, right?
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: But here's what I'm wondering. It's like if you teach
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: me like growing up like about the Holocaust, you teach
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: me about Nazis, you teach me about evil, and then
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: I take what I've learned, right? And I apply it
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: to the world and I see it. I see it
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: point blank. I see it in Gaza. I see it
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: in the Middle East. I see it in Palestine. And
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: it's the first one where you see these things happening like,
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: It's almost like, well, if I had seen slavery on
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: my phone, I'd be like, this is fucked up. You know,
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: it's like it's the first thing you see. And did
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: you see.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: That chick who was at some conference recently? I think
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: she was like Carmela Harris, a speechwriter, former speechwriter. And
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: she's like, you know, we made a huge mistake, like
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: talking too much about the Holocaust, because now people are
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: comparing what's happening in Gaza. to the Holocaust.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: But it's like, don't come and gaslight me to think
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: now I'm wrong for seeing this. And then, and then, imagine.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: If- Shit, we never should have mentioned the Nazis because
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: we set absolute standards of behavior that we're now failing
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: to meet and we're being blamed.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: It's like, are you- And then now when this guy
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: says they want to buy TikTok so that the influence
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: is different, like, it's just like- I don't understand why
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: are we the only people that feel, or why aren't
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: more people activated about this? It's like watching.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: Okay, but can I just make you feel better?
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: It's like watching something horrible happen and we can't even
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: ask our own country for help. That's the crazy part.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: I can't believe that half of our representatives aren't speaking
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: up and saying something like, hey, we're going to shut
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: this down. This is wrong. We're not going to let,
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: because wasn't he condemned by the ICC for? Yeah, they
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: don't care. He was a condemned war criminal, right? Is
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: that right? I guess.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: And and I just don't understand how regular people, comedians and,
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: you know, a guy who loves Johnson and Murphy from
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: Maine are the ones who are fucking having to speak
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: up about that. Like, what is going on?
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: That's the beauty that I'm talking about. That's the new
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: world being. And sorry, if you don't love Johnson and Murphy.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: I don't. These are like my Turkish grounding shoes. Those
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: are nice.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: They're so ugly, but I got these from someone else
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: in the nicotine business who's like, dude, these will ground
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: you to the Earth's essential forces. I don't know what
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: that means, of course. I have no idea, but I
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: am originally from California in the 70s, so I kind
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: of fall for shit like that.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: I'm like- Look like you could smoke in them for sure, dude. Yeah,
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: but I'll say this. Smoke a few cigarettes in those
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: in my life? Every time I see a Johnson & Murphy,
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: I peek my head and I say, hey, Tucky. I
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: say that when I see it at the airport. I
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: don't really know what it is. It's like a shop.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: It's like a Brooks Brothers kind of.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. No, I buy my clothes on eBay, always.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: But anyway, sorry, it wasn't a negative thing.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: No, no, but here's the point, though.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: It wasn't a negative thing, Tucker. This is the beautiful thing.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: Is it negative? No, I never get the reference. I'm
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: so fucking out of it.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: But we're like in this moment where the old is
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: going away and the new is on its way, and
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: some of it is menacing and scary and hard to understand,
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: like AI or crypto, okay?
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: Could be good, could be bad, could be both.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: But it's big. But some of it is just totally recognizable.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: It's called the human spirit, and it's... irrepressible, you can't
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: actually extinguish it no matter how many people you kill,
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: and no matter how many lies you tell, it will
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: always sort of bubble up around you. And it's bubbling
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: up now in a big way. And I would just,
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: last thing I want to say, like, if you really
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: are worried, if you feel like, oh, there's this international
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: conspiracy of people to oppress humanity and to kill humanity,
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: that's obviously true. Degrade us, enslave us, obviously true. Like,
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: not even a guess that's happening. But who's behind it?
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: Go and read some of the Epstein emails that have
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: been released. Thousands have been released. And ask yourself, as
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: a human, what's the first thing I notice? Jeffrey Epstein
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: was a fucking idiot. He could barely speak English. He
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: was from Coney Island, and he was like an idiot.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: He was like an idiot. He writes like a moron, okay?
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: We are being oppressed by dumb people. We imagine they're
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: geniuses because they're evil. but we miss the obvious signs
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: that these people are stupid. They are stupid. They are
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: not as impressive as like the normal people in my world.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: Jeff Ramstein was an idiot. So we have this like
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: picture of like the diabolical genius pulling the strings. I'm
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: moving this population here and this population, I'll give them
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: the COVID vaccine. But really you've got like just thugs.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: They're just like nightclub bouncers who have billions of dollars
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: in their idiots, their head injury patients. Bill Ackman, like,
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: He's a fucking idiot. Jeff Ebsi.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: It's true. Barry Weiss.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: Like, I'm not too worried about Barry Weiss taking over,
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: over the world. I don't care how many billionaires hand
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: her news organizations because she's obedient to their preferred country.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: She's still an idiot.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: Sorry. Yeah.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: I've heard Tim Dillon talk about her, but I'm not
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: that familiar with her. He knew her very well.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: I think he did. So I think Tim and he
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: can speak for himself. But as I remember the story,
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: like he was in her orbit and, um, You know,
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: I know all the people, of course, in her orbit,
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: and some of them I like. I've never disliked Barry
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: Weiss personally. She's very charming, I will say, and very energetic,
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: which I love in anybody. But he was like buddies
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: with her, and they were going to parties, and then like, well,
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: he can explain it better than I could, but my
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: understanding is he's like, one day he's like, killed a
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: lot of kids in Gaza, I think.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: And I think within like 10 minutes, she was like
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: on the phone with his agent.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: Gotta fire Tim Dillon!
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 3: Okay!
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: Okay! on the foundation, I assumed it was. It's like,
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: and dumb people are very much like that. They have
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: like one interest. They're what we call single issue voters.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: Like there's no nuance at all. I remember her, do
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: you remember when she attacked Tulsi Gabbard, who's a beautiful soul,
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: just a good person.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Tulsi's very nice. She sent me a couple of
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: nice messages.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: Over the years. She's just a great person. She's an
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: honest person. Do you remember when he attacked her on Rogan?
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: And Rogan in his- Oh yeah, Rogan stood up for her.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: In his wonderful way. He's like, I'm not sure, what
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: do you mean by that? You know, and is Rogan like,
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: not attacking back, but just like, explain yourself a little more.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: And Barry Weiss was like, it was like you caught
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: her on the john or something. She was like, oh,
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: I have to explain the casual slander I threw at her?
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: She had no fucking idea what she was talking about. Oh,
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: it was the word toady. She didn't know what toady meant.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: She's a toady for a sod. And it's like, oh,
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: there it is. Oh, my memory is still in place.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: And she couldn't define Toadie.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: According to multiple accounts from listeners and subsequent commentary, Weiss
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: struggled to define Toadie in that specific context and failed
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: to effectively back up her assertion. with specific facts being
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: flustered during the exchange. The moment was wildly circulating in
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: clips online and frequently brought up by critics of Weiss
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: as an example of a journalist using obstantiated labels or
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: neocon talking points.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 2: No, it's an example of someone who got a 350
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: on the English SAT. Okay, this is a dumb person.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: We don't know that.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: Okay, but somehow got a job at the New York
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: Times and you don't know what toady is? Like, she's
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: in the word business, baby, you know?
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: Well, I just don't understand how, like, why isn't there, like...
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: You used to believe that everybody that was elected was
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: campaigning for America first, right? Like America first was the thing.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: That's our system, right? But that's not what's going on. Well, it's,
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: of course, just the opposite. I mean, look at the country.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: So the country is dying not because the people are bad,
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: because of bad leadership. Leadership is everything. I used to,
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: you know, you get brainwashed growing up here and you're like, no,
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: what really matters is how most people feel. No, what
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 2: really matters is the willingness of your leaders to actually
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: die for you. as you would for your children. Like,
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: is that simple? If they love you, they will, your
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: country will prosper. If they hate you, it will fail.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: It's super simple. They don't like us. Okay.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: Got it.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: And what do you think that we could do differently?
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: I know that John Rich on your show, that one
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: thing that was interesting, he said that he felt like
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: a lot of Americans have just kind of cowered and
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: watch this kind of happen. You don't be a bitch.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: He was pretty adamant about it. He was like, um,
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: he was speaking mostly about Christians, but also about Americans
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: that they've just kind of cowered and sort of let
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: this like, um, let evil policies, evil things come in
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: and not stood up for their own voices or stood
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: up against their own fears. Do you think that that's true?
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: Oh, gosh, it's the truest thing. I participate in it.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: There are plenty of things I'm just like, I don't
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 2: want to deal with that.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: Or I might.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, what am I asking if it's true, dude?
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: Take a loss. Yeah, I do too.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: It's not, I hate to point, one of your, as
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: I said a minute ago, one of your tics, verbal
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: tics that I just, I want to emulate and I
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: want to be like this is you preface every attack
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: or assessment of someone else with a self critique. You're like,
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: I've done a lot of shitty things, but I think
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: that person's doing a shitty thing. Like that's a really
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: good habit to get into just because righteousness is good.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: Self-righteousness is evil. And there's a big difference.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: Well, your ego is very scary. That's a thing.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: So scary. It's the scariest thing.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: It's the scariest thing. That's what kills you. If you're
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: a man anyway, for sure. The ego is very scary.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: But yeah, have there been like, yeah, where is the
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: leadership supposed to come from now? Like if we can't,
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: believe that our politicians are gonna guide us, right?
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: Well, the system is obviously changing. Just like the media, okay?
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: I went into this in 1991. I could write 10
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: books on how different it is. Everything about it, not
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 2: just my perceptions of it, but the systems itself are
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: totally different. And so systems evolve, and we're clearly at
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: the end of something and the beginning of something else.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: And I can't know with any precision what we're moving into,
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 2: but clearly it's not gonna be like what we had.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: Like, we know that.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 2: Because this system doesn't work It doesn't produce anything worth having.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 2: It's obviously dishonest in a transparent way. A lie doesn't
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: infuriate you unless you know it's a lie. Now we
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: know it's a lie. So by definition, we can't keep
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 2: doing this. And Barry Weiss can be like anyone who
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: disagrees with Netanyahu is now imprisoned and you can do that.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 2: I'm sure she would love to do that, but it's
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: still not going to work because you're going to have
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: prisons full of people who still disagree with Barry Weiss.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 2: Like you can't change people's minds by force. It has
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 2: never worked in and never will. So our system is
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: reaching the end stage of something, I hope it's not,
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: I love our system, I hope it's not destroyed, but
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: clearly it's gonna change, it has to, it will.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: It feels like it's gonna happen fast, though.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: Doesn't it? It's gonna happen fast, and I just hope
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: it's not too destructive. I don't want chaos, man, that is,
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: I've seen that in foreign countries, and it's... scary. There's
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: nothing scarier than that. Is there?
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: It happened in your state. It happened during, I saw
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: it during Katrina.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: Ooh. Yeah. I was like, I can't believe this is happening.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: You know, just for a day or two where there's
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: no cops and there are kids running around with guns
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: and like shooting. I was right next to a guy
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: who got shot to death. Like what?
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, people listening to Youngboy just popping off to
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: doing who knows what. That's what chaos looks like. It's
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: so bad, man. Yeah.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 2: I don't want that at all.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: And there'll be a lot. Yeah, there's a lot of
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: guns in this state too. So people, there's a lot
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: of guns in every state, but.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: Especially in my house. But yeah, but I'm not the
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: only one. And I don't, you know, I don't think
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: in the end. Oh, I think how it all ends
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: is blacks versus drones. That's how I think it ends.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: And I've said this before and I believe that.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: Can you game it out for me a little bit?
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: How does that play out? Because, like, you know, the
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: news over time and everything, it makes white people look bad,
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: white people are the devil, blah, blah.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we hate the whites.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, whiteys, you know. During, like, the Trump campaign, there were, like,
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: every southern person or midwestern person was the only, you know,
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: piece of shit, you know, just all that. White people
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: started ending up on a lot of pills and stuff
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: like that and just confused about their own value and
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: stuff like that. And that's been unfortunate because there's a
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: lot of great people. But it's actually one of the
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: great crimes ever in this country. It's unbelievable.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: But black folks, I think, are still like they're still like,
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: you know, they've kind of gone through this. You know,
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: they've they've had such an origin story in America. Right. Enslaved.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: And then like their origin story is the best to
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: be the victor in the end. Right. I feel like
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: their origin story makes the best arc character arc to
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: be like the hero at the end. So I think
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: it ends up them versus drones versus like the drones
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: owned by evil folks. And I think that's how it ends.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: Who wins? I think you got to go. I think
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: I would go with black folks. I would go with
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: any people over the drones.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: But I think it's going to be black folks help
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: us win it and they're going to defeat the drones.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: How many will it be best of seven? I don't know.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: We'll see. And will there be advertising? Will it be
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: brought to you by prize picks? I have no idea, bro.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: That doesn't matter. But I'm just saying, bro, you're going
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: to have, it's going to be, that's where I think
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: that's how it ends.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 2: Well, I, one of the reasons that, you know, all
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: those years they called me, no one ever calls me
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 2: a racist anymore, but they used to for years when
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: I was at Fox. Racist, racist, racist. And so I
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 2: really thought a lot about, am I a racist? And no,
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: I'm annoyed by certain things for sure, but I'm not
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 2: a racist at all. And not just because I think
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: it's immoral to be racist. I'm not a racist because
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: black people, what do we think of black people? Like
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: the most American been here. I'm talking about African-Americans. Hundreds
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: and hundreds of years. Like if you believe in the country,
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: if you really feel like you're part of it, your
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: ancestors are buried here, you're going to die here, which
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: is how I feel. It's like, you're in it with
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: black people because they've been here since day one. You
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: know what I mean?
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: There's like a, it's an American. I feel that actually. Yeah.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure.
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: I think it's, I don't know how, like, I don't know.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, definitely it's a wild group, black folks. But
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: I think they love to get in. They love to, like,
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: they love competition. So I could definitely see them getting
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: into it with drones, dude. And that's how we met.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm rooting for them. Oh, yeah.
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: I'm rooting for blacks against drones, for sure. Hell yeah, dude.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: That's the kind of shit I'm talking about. And also.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: Do you think that, I mean, it's tough, though, to
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: fight drones. Black people can figure it out.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: You think so?
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: I think if they, once they really apply themselves to
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: a sport, they start to crack the codes pretty quick.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: You know? You put the hit stick on a drone, dude,
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: I think they'll figure it out, dude.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: I hope so.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: It's going to be exciting, dude. That shit's going to
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: be one of the best things ever. And it'll be,
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: we'll be able, some people will be able to watch it.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: You'll be able to watch some of it on your phone.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, dude. Blacks versus drones? For sure, dude. Have you
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: checked with black people about this at all? Bro, they're down, bro.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: Black people are down in a heartbeat.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: Black people, it's Theo.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: You guys ready for blacks versus drones? Dude, black people
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: love to play games, bro. They love to have a
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: good time. So I think if you, and if drones
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: are just shooting people out in the streets and stuff,
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: like if one of these companies like Palantir, like they
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: were using in Gaza, it comes just starts popping off here,
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: which now has a debt. Like isn't Palantir, they're able to,
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: they're going to do our data now, aren't they? Aren't they,
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: aren't they going to oversee us? I don't know.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: I see a lot of, A lot of people referring
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: to that, but I'm just going to have to plead
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: ignorance on the details.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: And this is allegedly, but there's articles that allege that
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: they have weapons attached to drones and that they're able
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: to figure that out. Palantir Technologies holds multiple major contracts
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: with the U.S. government, particularly with the Department of Defense,
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: highlighted by a recent U.S. Army enterprise agreement valued up
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: to $ 10 billion over 10 years. Let me see. Consolidating
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: 75 prior contracts into one for software and data services
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: to boost military readiness. Now, just keep it.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: That looks like it's from Wikipedia, which is obviously controlled
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 2: by CIA. This is Perplexity right here. What's that?
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: Perplexity is a company that advertises with us. It's an AI.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, good.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: It doesn't scold you ever? Not yet. But some of
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: that stuff's getting pretty wild. Did you see that they
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: were just paying ChatGPT? Israel just paying ChatGPT to adjust
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: their sentiment towards them?
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: Is that true? That's unbelievable.
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's true or not. I wanna
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: find out in a second if we can get this.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: Article up here. So the problem is gonna be YouTube.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 2: Does YouTube stay open or not?
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's the vector. Candace Owens is like the
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 2: most famous person in the world because of YouTube. YouTube
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 2: is the backbone of all of this stuff. And if
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 2: there is some, God hope it doesn't happen, but if
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: there's some act of violence in the United States that
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: can be used as a pretext in the same way
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: that January 6th was used as a pretext to shut
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 2: down all these people, they'll kick people off. I, my
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 2: fear is that people, there'll be a crackdown on YouTube.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: And at that point, you know, that's a big, that
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 2: would be a true disaster for the country.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: If they kick people off of YouTube, I think.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: Oh, I agree. So if there's an act of violence,
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 2: whether it's organic or not, because some of them are
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 2: not organic, sorry, that's a fact, a proven fact, but
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: whatever the cause of it, if there's an act of
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: violence against innocence and it's described as a hate crime, that,
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 2: It's not crazy to imagine that that could be used
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: to tie people whose opinions are unpopular with certain groups.
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: Those people need to be off YouTube. And all of
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: a sudden there's an emergency meeting with Sundar Pichai at
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: Google and it's like, I'm sorry, you cannot have purveyors
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 2: of hate like Candace Owens and me or you. You
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 2: can't have them. These people died because these podcasters said
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: hateful things. You have to take them off.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: But we're not saying hateful things, are we?
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 2: Obviously, I'm totally opposed to hate. I mean, that's like
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 2: my whole life is against it. When you hate, even
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 2: in your heart, even silently, you make evil stronger. That's
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 2: a fact. It's a physics principle.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: The only reason I bring up this stuff about Israel
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: is because they're doing a genocide. I couldn't agree more.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: If I was in Nazi Germany and I saw bad
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: things happening and I didn't raise my hand. Or if
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: Nazi Germany was trying to buy a bakery next door
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: to me and I didn't be like, hey, mustache guy
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: is buying the bakery. You know, it's like, who would
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: I be?
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: Like, I don't understand what you want me to do. Like,
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: you can't get out of my face and I'll stop
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: thinking about you.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: I said that I.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: Train me to think one way and then show me
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: this replica of it and not expect me to have
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: the same sentiments toward it. Like, that's what I understand.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: And to call someone a bad guy because of that
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: is crazy to me. This article says, the government of
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: Israel has hired a new conservative-aligned firm, Clocktower XLLC, to
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: create media for general Gen Z audiences in a contract
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: worth $ 6 million. At least 80% of content Clocktower produces
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: will be tailored to Gen Z audiences across platforms.
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 2: Clocktower?
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: Clocktower will integrate its pro-Israel messaging into Salem Media Network properties,
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: a conservative Christian media group that boasts a vast radio
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: network and produces high-profile shows such as Hugh Hewitt Show,
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: Larry Elder Show, and The Right View with Laura Trump.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 2: Oh, look at that.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: Former Trump manager Brad Parscale. Oh, that is so disgusting.
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: Brad Parscale is doing that? I don't know him. Is
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: he a nice guy? I know him.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 2: He's a sad guy, very sad guy.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: In its contract, Clock Tower does not reveal much about
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: what kinds of messaging will be promoted on behalf of Israel.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 2: He took money for... Wait, Brad Parscale took money from
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 2: the Israeli government to do that?
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Former Trump campaign manager Brad Parscale, the
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: advisor who hired the controversial micro-targeting firm Cambridge Analytic during
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: Trump's 2016 campaign, is at the center of the Israeli
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: government's new deal.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: So Brad Parscale I don't think is an evil person.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 2: He's a weak man, for sure. I mean, demonstrably.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 1: But.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: For an American citizen to take money from a foreign
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: government to secretly propagandize on behalf of that government without
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 2: saying it is really– speaking of unpatriotic, I mean that's–
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: I hope that's not true.
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: Well, it just– it's like at this point it's– and
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: I guess– I mean Israel is certainly allowed to advertise
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: wherever they want. Anybody can do this sort of thing.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: This isn't advertising. This is– so advertising is not threatening
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 2: because when– it's just straightforward. You see a billboard for–
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 2: and it's like, buy my jeans, okay, it's your choice.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: This is basically subliminal messaging. This is an effort to
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 2: subvert what you think is true by making it dishonest
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 2: i'm paying you to lie on my behalf that's what
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 2: this is and you don't disclose that you're taking money
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 2: to do that and everything about this is dishonest and
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 2: wrong and any american who would take money for that
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 2: i Again, speaking of anti-American, really, who's the audience for this?
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 2: It's American citizens who think they're like tuning in for
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: conservative analysis and actually they're getting the point of view
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 2: of a foreign government. Like, how is that OK? Brad Parscale.
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know how we I just don't understand. I think. Yeah,
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: I think it's just I don't know. It's a tough
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: time because you realize, oh, you thought all these things
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: were in place that were keeping our country. You thought
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 1: our country was taking care of us. But would you
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: take money from a foreign? Would you take if let's
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: take Israel? Maybe you didn't. Maybe that's not true. That's
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: a naive old thought of mine. It's like, yeah, you
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: realize now that that's not the case, you know, but
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: I think it's like, where do we go from here?
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 2: Well, let me just, I mean, I don't want to
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 2: be judgy because I've done all kinds of bad things.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: You've been judgmental already.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 2: I have been. That's one of my weaknesses. Self-righteousness is
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 2: the trap and I fall into it for sure.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: But you have to. But let me just ask you if, again,
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: take Israel out of it because it's so emotional.
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 2: Any country. Well, let's go with Qatar. You said you
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 2: like Qatar. I really like Qatar a lot and I
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 2: could defend Qatar, but. Would you take money for it?
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 2: If a guitarist is like, okay, we'll pay you $ 10
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 2: million or $ 6 million, which I think is what Brad
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 2: Parscale got, supposedly. We want you to just subtly shift
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 2: your message to be pro-guitar. Don't tell anybody you're taking
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 2: this money, but just feed our line to your audience
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 2: without telling them that you're doing it. Would you accept
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 2: that money?
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: No, I wouldn't do it. Of course not. Of course not.
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: Of course you would never do that. No, I wouldn't
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: do something. I wouldn't let people pay to have a
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: person on this podcast. I wouldn't let somebody... I wouldn't
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: do that. Of course. Do you feel like the people
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: must be trying to, because the podcast is really big.
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: Sometimes they do. Or somebody's like, hey, Qatar asked if
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: we would do one from their country, right, during a
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 1: UFC fight, right? And I thought about that and we're
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 1: trying to figure that out. But I didn't feel like
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: it was the best kind of setting sort of. And
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: now when I go back over there sometime and spend
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: some time, sure I would. I had a great time.
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: Met some really neat guys. Because a lot of the
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 1: guys over there, they're in the throbes and stuff, thobe.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: They're in the thobes?
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 2: Which are pretty awesome.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: Dude, they're nice because you can have no underpants on.
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: I don't think any of them do. I think they're
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: like kilts. I like that.
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. It's full freestyle country. Oh, God.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 1: Talking to somebody and just feeling your nuts bang against
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: your legs while you're standing there?
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 2: But the person has no idea.
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: That's crazy, dude. No, I totally agree. Bro, that's like
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: that guy, like the hunchback of Notre Dame kind of,
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: you know? Oh, did he go freestyle too? No, but
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: just him. I just imagine like a handicapped guy inside
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: of my legs ringing my nuts with like a rope
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: or whatever, you know, like a bell, you know?
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 2: Really? So you picture like a little gremlin under there. Yeah,
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 2: it'd just be fun. Like pulling the dong cord.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: Oh, dude, if your nuts had real bells inside of them,
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: that shit would be sick, dude.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: Imagine the pain, the force of that ringer hitting the
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 2: sides of the cast iron is a lot. I wouldn't
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 2: want that anywhere near.
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: That's true. I bet if your nuts weighed even two
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: more ounces, it would strain you so much.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 2: Dude, yes. I bet your nuts have the perfect weight
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 2: to them. I think that's the whole theory of evolution,
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 2: isn't it? We evolved to have like perfectly weighted nuts.
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 2: And our ancestors who had, I don't know, disproportionately weighted nuts,
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 2: they didn't reproduce. So their genes died.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: Average human testicles each weigh about 15 to 25 grams. Wow.
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 2: So how would you compare that to just like about
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 2: an eight ball? That's a couple eight ball. A couple
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 2: eight balls.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: How many grams are in an eight ball? I think
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: it's eight, right?
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 2: Seven and a half, I think. Yeah.
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it depends. If you're getting it in Baltimore,
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: it's probably six in there.
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's right. Those are the baby laxatives. Oh, 3.5.
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 2: Oh gosh. It's been too long. So that's how rehabbed
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 2: you are, dude. I love that.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: Did you hear that? Did you hear his genuine ignorance
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: about narcotics? Damn. You are better. I'm losing street cred though, dude.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: I can't even fucking.
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 2: Dude, I'm. You forgot how to freebase at this point.
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: Is it baking soda or cleaning fluid?
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 2: I can't remember.
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: I've been selling really good eight balls, man. Oh, dude. Um.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: What else was I gonna ask you about? Yeah, but
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: it's just, so somebody's like, what do you, why do
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: you care about it? Because I just think that it's like, yeah,
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 1: you can't allow a country, I don't know. Well, I
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: don't care. I'm almost sick of talking.
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 2: About it now.
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: I'm so beyond sick of talking about it. Sorry. I'm
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: sorry that I brought it up. No, not with you,
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: but I actually called the Israeli government more than once,
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: and I was like, okay, I got it.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 2: Just stop. You're gonna get me killed. Just stop taking
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 2: money from my country. I won't even criticize Israel. your genocide, like,
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 2: because there are lots of bad things going on in
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 2: the world. That's true, that is true. They're not the
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 2: only ones, okay? That is absolutely right when they say that.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 2: They're not the only country committing atrocities.
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: Oh, no, our own country's committing a lot of atrocities.
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 2: I agree, I totally agree.
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: I think it's all coming out in the snow right now,
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: but it's just, it's like... How about we just don't
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: send any more money for those atrocities? Like, I don't
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: think that's too much to ask. If you would stop it,
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: if you would get out of the Oval Office... No
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: more visits from your prime minister.
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 2: This is insane. There are so many countries in the
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 2: world that actually matter. Your country doesn't matter. It's the
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 2: size of Maryland. You have no natural resources at all.
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 2: You are irrelevant except to the extent we promised to
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 2: defend you. So how about you just go do your
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 2: own thing? We wish you well. And I will never
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 2: think about you again.
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 1: Why do you think that doesn't happen?
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 2: Because they can't exist without us. And so rather than
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 2: just say that, we get these lectures like, oh, America
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 2: can't exist without Israel. It's like, Why are you even
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 2: talking to me? First of all, at some point, I'm offended.
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 2: Stop lecturing me, actually. I'm from here. I'm not a
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 2: perfect person, but I really care about this place because
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 2: I have nowhere else to go and my ancestors are here. Stop.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 2: But they won't stop and they're constantly calling you names
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 2: because they're committing bad behavior. It's like, I spent 30
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 2: years not talking about this. You think I didn't notice?
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 2: You think I didn't know what was up? I'm from Washington.
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 2: I know what's up. And I decide I want to
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 2: talk about this because there are all kinds of other
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 2: things I want to talk about. I don't want to
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 2: fight with these people. I'm not against Israel at all.
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 2: I like visiting there. It's great. I don't want to fight.
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 2: It was only when Trump gets elected in November and
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 2: by January, they're in the Oval Office, foreign officials from
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 2: Israel in the Oval Office demanding that we pay for
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 2: a regime change war against Iran. And I'm like, come
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 2: on now.
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: Come on now.
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 2: We just had this election. I campaigned for Trump. I
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 2: was literally at Madison Square Garden. And it was heartfelt too.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 2: I didn't do it. No one paid me to do it.
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 2: I did it because I meant it. And I love
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 2: Trump personally. I still love Trump personally. But it was like,
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 2: that whole election was about, we've had enough of this.
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 2: The Iraq war didn't work. It didn't make us happier.
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 2: It really hurt everybody, including us, especially us. I don't
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 2: want it again.
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 1: Just back off.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 2: They didn't wait. He got inaugurated on the 20th of January.
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 1: I was there.
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 2: I was in the room. And like, days later, they're
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 2: there demanding that we back them in a regime change war.
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 2: And I knew this because I've been around, and I
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 2: talked to all the people, and I'm like, I can't
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 2: believe this is happening. And then in June, we came
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 2: really close to getting in a full-blown war with Iran.
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember that.
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 2: We spent billions in this totally pointless exercise. They're Continuing
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 2: to try and make us do this. So from my perspective,
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 2: it's like, I'm not obsessed with Israel. You just back off,
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 2: and I'll never mention you again. I don't want to
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 2: think about you at all, because you're meaningless, actually. You're
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 2: a tiny country that has no strategic value at all.
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 2: So just, as long as you stop trying to control
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 2: my government, I'll leave you alone.
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 1: Well, sometimes it starts to seem like it's a video game,
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 1: and they've always controlled everything, and that... And we're just
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: now realizing it's like, I've said this a couple times,
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 1: but it's almost like if Super Mario almost looked at
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 1: the screen one day and looked at you playing with
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: him instead of just follow your demands on the screen,
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 1: if one day he just fucking... set down his fireballs
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: and like looked over at you and was like, hey,
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 1: what the fuck are we doing here? You know, it's
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 1: almost like that's where it- Just like broke the fourth wall. Yes. Basically. No,
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 1: I mean that's- Like if he's just like, ah, I'm
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: so tired of fighting this dragon. You know, he's like, look,
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 1: let's just let Bowser live. Let's just chill out. You know,
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 1: like if I just wonder- If it became real. Yes. Yeah.
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 2: Well, that's the, that's exactly the process.
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 1: That's where we are right now. And I think that's
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 1: what you're saying. It's like, yeah, if you, if you
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 1: can just let go of, like this that, cause it's,
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 1: sometimes it's anger that fuels that, you know, sometimes it's fear.
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 1: Some of it's like, yeah, a lot of it's fear.
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 1: I think uncertainty, safety. Um, but if you can get
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 1: the anger out of it and just let it go
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: and be like, I'm just going to do my best
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: that I can, but I'm going to be brave and
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 1: speak up when I can. Um, even if I'm wrong,
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: you know, that's a thing. It's like, I wish more
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: people were speaking up sometimes, even if they're wrong. Um,
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: I was kind of like, do you think that enough
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 1: pastors and preachers didn't speak up during the Gaza conflict?
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 1: That almost blew my mind. Does that make sense to you?
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 2: It's the most heartbreaking part. I mean, from my perspective,
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 2: as an American Christian, Protestant American Christian, it's like, yeah,
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 2: of course, I think what Israel's doing is disgusting. I mean,
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 2: it's indefensible. But my real rage, like what I'm actually
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 2: upset about, if you were at dinner at my house,
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 2: I never rage about the Israelis or the Jews at
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 2: my house. I just don't feel it. My rage, my
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 2: actual personal rage, is directed toward my people. It's Protestant, Christian,
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 2: evangelical pastors who have made deals with the Israeli government
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 2: or have theology so deranged that they think their Christian
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 2: faith requires them to support the murder of children, including
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 2: Christian children. And I know some of them and they
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 2: believe that. And that to me is very hard to forgive.
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 2: Like I need to be a better person. I need
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 2: to keep them in my prayers because I really feel
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 2: hostility toward those people because they are the betrayers. Israel
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 2: in the end is acting in its own interest or
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 2: what it thinks is its own interest. Those people, What's
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 2: their excuse? And they're going out there and giving sermons
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 2: about Candace Owens on Sunday? She's not in the New Testament, okay?
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 1: Were they really doing that?
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 2: Big time. And that is not... Whatever you think of
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 2: Candace Owens, like, I love Candace Owens, but maybe you
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 2: hate Candace Owens. We can all agree that your opinion
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 2: on Candace Owens has no bearing on the future of
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 2: your soul, okay? That's not Christianity. It's nothing with Candace Owens. So, like,
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 2: if you are giving sermons against Candace Owens, then you
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 2: are betraying your people, okay?
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 1: And.
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 2: Because you're misrepresenting your faith, Christianity, and those people. I
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 2: clearly need to calm down about them because they're truly
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 2: the villains in the story. That's my opinion. Of course,
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 2: because you're always maddest at the people you know best
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 2: and like Israel, whatever, do your crazy Israeli things. But
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 2: American evangelical leaders defending Netanyahu? And you know how many
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 2: Christians have been killed in this? Israel has murdered? What
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 2: do Christians have to do with it? You're telling me
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 2: they're Islamists too now? Is that true?
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's totally true. And one of the reasons they
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: hate me is because I keep pointing it out. How
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 1: do we know that's true, Tucker?
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 2: Because they've blown up two churches in Gaza and killed
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 2: people in the churches. What do the churches have to
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 2: do with this? You're telling me that this is some
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 2: existential battle between Islam and civilization. That's not true, by
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 2: the way, but let's say it was true. Then why
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 2: are you blowing up churches? Oh, it was an accident.
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, really?
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 2: You have the technology to put bombs in people's pagers,
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 2: but you accidentally blew up two churches?
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 1: It was not an accident.
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 2: They did it on purpose. They've killed a lot of
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 2: Christians on purpose. And I'm probably the only person in
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 2: American media to point that out because I'm a Christian,
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 2: so I get to say that if I want. Shut up, Nazi!
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 1: Where are the Christian leaders in this? Yeah.
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 1: So now you've pissed me off. I'm sorry, man. I
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 1: didn't know.
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 2: Whenever we're talking about anti-Semitism or the Nazis or Israel
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 2: or whatever, it's so fake to me that I don't
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 2: get upset.
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 1: This is real to me. Oh, the Church of St. Porphyrius. St. Porphyrius. Yeah,
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 1: it's a famous church. The Greek Orthodox Church, one of
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 1: the oldest in the world, was hit by an Israeli
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 1: airstrike on October 19, 2023. The strike collapsed an adjacent
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 1: church-affiliated building where around 400 or 500 people displaced were sheltering,
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 1: killing 18 people. The Holy Family Church, as the only
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 1: Catholic church in Gaza, stripped this church, has been a
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 1: central shelter for Gaza's Christian community. In December 2023, two
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 1: women were reportedly killed by a sniper while leaving the church.
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 1: In July 2025, the church was struck by an Israeli
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 1: tank fire, killing, injuring 10, including the parish priest's father,
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 1: Gabriel Romanelli. Well, why hasn't the Pope spoken up about
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 1: it either, I wonder? Has he spoken about it? What
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 1: did the Pope say about it?
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 2: You know, I don't keep track. I'm not Catholic.
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 1: But I was going to church here in town, and
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 1: I was just shocked that people weren't speaking about it.
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 1: And that's the moment where you start to feel like,
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 1: am I crazy?
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 2: No, no.
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 1: In the evangelical world, and not all. This is a
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 1: very broad brush.
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 2: I know a million. I had dinner next to one
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 2: last night who's just a wonderful person. And there are
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 2: lots of tons of great evangelicals. But their leadership in
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 2: general has not only refused to condemn it, they've defended it.
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 2: And at that point, it's like, this is the great
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 2: deception you read about in the New Testament. If this
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 2: isn't a great deception, Jesus' message is not to kill children, okay?
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 2: And if you're telling me that it is, I don't
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 2: need a theology degree to say you are a false
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 2: prophet and you're gonna have to pay for what, I mean,
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 2: you are like taking your soul into your own hands
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 2: when you say shit like that. That is so the
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 2: opposite of the message. This is not a religion of
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 2: conquest and violence. It's the opposite.
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 1: Period. How can you read it and tell me otherwise? Oh, well,
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 1: in Esther it says, okay. But why are they doing that?
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 1: Because this Israel is not the Israel from the Bible, right?
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 2: I've tried to have this conversation, and if it is,
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 2: tell me how. What are you even talking about? And
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 2: I'm not a theologian. I'm a freaking Episcopalian. I admit
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 2: I know nothing, but I do read the Bible every day,
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 2: so I just don't see what you're talking about. So
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 2: you tell me what you're talking about. This is the
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 2: Israel we read about. This is the inheritance of Abraham. How? How?
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 2: Is it genetically the same? Are the people who live
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 2: there now related to the people we read about in
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 2: the Old Testament? If they are, we have DNA tests,
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 2: tell me how that works. Oh, those are banned, okay.
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 2: So then you're telling me it's the same religion? How
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 2: is it the same religion? There's no temple.
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 1: Like, what are you even talking about? By the way,
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 1: maybe there's a good answer that I just don't know.
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 2: I don't understand. But they literally never even try to
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 2: answer the question. It's shut up Nazi, including from Christian
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 2: ministers calling me a Nazi because I asked. Oh, big time.
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 2: And again, not to make it about me, but I
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 2: just want to be honest about it. That upsets me. Whereas,
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 2: you know, Netanyahu also called me a Nazi. It's like,
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 2: you're just some dumb politician.
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 1: He called you a Nazi directly?
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 2: Of course. Yeah, my tax dollars are paying his salary.
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 1: Why is he watching podcasts?
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 2: Oh, he's, oh, he's, I can't even tell you. But yes,
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 2: of course. But it's the Christian pastors. When you ask
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 2: a simple question, you're telling me we have a duty
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 2: to support, quote, Israel because a verse in Genesis tells
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 2: you that. Okay, fine. That's totally fine. What does that mean?
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 2: What is the Israel you're talking about? Shut up, Nazi!
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 2: It's like, you're a Christian pastor, and I'm a Christian,
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 2: I'm a faithful, imperfect Christian.
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 1: What pastors were saying that? Are there specific pastors?
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 2: Dr.
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 1: Mike Evans, Heritage Center.
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 2: No, no, listen, right now we have a movement within
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 2: the MAGA movement that is anti-Israel. It's serious because it's
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 2: led by Tucker Carlson, who was very close to vice president.
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 2: It's coming out and saying, worse things presently the Nazi
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 2: party said. I'm saying worse things that the Nazi party said.
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 2: I'm totally anti-Nazi. I'm totally anti-hate. And above all, I'm
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 2: anti-blood guilt and collective punishment, which is what was bad
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 2: about the Nazis.
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 1: Let's remember.
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 2: And this guy is a Christian minister or supposedly or something.
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 2: So it's this kind of thing that actually does get
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 2: under my skin. That's my problem. I should just shrug
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 2: it off. But I have a lot of trouble shrugging
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 2: it off because it's such a distortion of my religious
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 2: faith that I have trouble letting it go.
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 1: I'm just being honest. Well, I think it's brave to
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 1: be able to speak up. Sometimes if you're right or wrong,
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 1: it's brave to try.
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 2: It's our obligation to try. I was quiet for 30 years.
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 1: I shouldn't have been. I shouldn't have. I didn't want
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 1: to fight, but I shouldn't have been. And people say, well,
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 1: you get information wrong. It's like, but if information is
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 1: given out that's wrong, then how do you expect someone
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 1: to know accurate information?
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 2: Dude, I'm telling you, it's really simple because this is
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 2: the business I've always been in. I ask questions.
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 1: Hold on. You have stuff right here in your mouth.
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 2: It's nicotine.
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 1: And I wanted to say how good it is. It's
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 1: an opportunity. It's a form of advertisement. My guy.
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 2: I let it hang out of my, my wife's not
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 2: here to lick her thumb, which she does, which is
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 2: kind of hot. But you say you've got stuff on
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 2: your face. Then I get to pause and say, it's
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 2: not just stuff, Theo Vaughn.
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 1: It's nicotine.
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 2: It's Alp, the pouch for your mouth. Yeah, you got
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 2: a little mogul right there. Yeah, but you don't see
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 2: it back there.
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 2: Like if I was using Zin, you'd be like, wait,
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 2: your lower back is covered with this weird white shit.
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 2: Why is that? I don't know.
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 1: I've definitely done some things, but I'll say this. Pope
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 1: Leo IV. 14th has reiterated the Vatican's insistence on a
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 1: two-state resolution for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, saying it's the only
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 1: solution that can guarantee justice for both sides. Leo made
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 1: the comments as he flew from Turkey to Lebanon.
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 2: May I ask, there's been a change in the spelling
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 2: of Turkey. It went from Turkey to Turkey. Turkey.
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 1: This is like the Kiev-Kiev change, and no one notified me?
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 1: They probably bought letters. There might have been a letter
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 1: deal or something. Let me see. Turkey.
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 2: Turkey. Turkey.
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 1: Maybe they're trying. Who knows, man? Turkey. And I was
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 1: just in Turkey and they were calling it Turkey. And
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 1: do you feel like it's hard for a lot of
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 1: Jewish people to speak up about this because they're afraid
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 1: of like alienating other Jewish friends? That's what I found
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 1: with some of my Jewish friends. Like they'll talk with
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 1: me about it and stuff like that. But and my
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 1: Jewish friends are fine if I'm if I have different
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 1: views on Israel.
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 1: Like it doesn't mean I have different views about them.
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 1: But if I don't like what a government's doing, including
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 1: our own government. then that's okay, right?
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 2: One of my Jewish friends, former Jewish employee, actually called
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 2: me this morning, talked to him for like an hour
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 2: and a half about other stuff, not about Israel. But
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 2: in the course of the conversation, he told me that
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 2: he had said something to one of his coworkers about Netanyahu.
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 2: He didn't like Netanyahu, whatever. That's literally, he's Jewish. I
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 2: don't like Netanyahu. And that coworker went to his boss
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 2: and called him an anti-Semite.
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 1: What?
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 2: That's crazy. I think there's that. I also think there's
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 2: something else going on, which is sad, which is I
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 2: think a lot of what I'm seeing happen to Jewish people,
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 2: including friends of mine, people I know, is there's so
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 2: much yelling about the Nazis and the Holocaust that people
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 2: are getting really freaked out. And I've had people I
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 2: have known for decades and love call me like, are
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 2: you a Nazi? Dude, it's me. No, I'm totally anti-Nazi.
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 2: What are you even talking about? Well, everyone says you're
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 2: a Nazi.
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 1: This happened to me at dinner recently. I won't even
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 1: tell you, he was a well-known person.
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 2: If you were a Nazi, you would have a tank
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 2: or something. No, but also like- You would not be
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 2: in loafers. Well, I might be wearing my Turkish grounding shoes.
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 1: You're Turkish?
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 2: And by the way, they leave a little green spot
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 2: on the bottom of your foot, which I kind of like.
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 1: I like that, huh?
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 2: That means you're winning. That means you're grounded to the earth.
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 2: But no, I think it's making people really paranoid and afraid.
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 2: And I think that that's on purpose. And terrified people
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 2: are really easy to control. That's what happened to us
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 2: after 9-11. The Muslims are coming. 19 Arabs with box cutters!
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 1: It's my favorite phrase!
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna say that, I said to one of my
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 2: kids last night at dinner, I was like, I'm making
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 2: a pledge to you as your father that I'm gonna
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 2: use the phrase, Arabs with box cutters, every single day,
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 2: and I'm gonna laugh every time I say it, because
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 2: it amuses the shit out of me. You're gonna be
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 2: in a conversation and someone's gonna be like, Arabs with
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 2: box cutters. So fucking funny. Anyway, all of us believed
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 2: the Arabs and box cutters thing for all those years.
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 2: And it made us so freaked out and afraid and
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 2: threatened that we went along with all the stuff that
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 2: was really bad for us and the world. And I
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 2: think that a similar op actually is underway in the
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 2: United States.
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 1: With Jewish people. And it's like, you're about to get killed.
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 1: It's like, no.
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, maybe I think there are anti-Semites in America
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 2: for sure. And there are crazy people for sure. There
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 2: are always threats, but in general, I've never met anyone
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 2: who hates all Jews. That's all fake, but it's scaring
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 2: the shit out of people.
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 1: It's real. Again, I have friends, good friends, who are like,
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 1: I can't believe you're a Nazi now. That's crazy, dude.
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 2: I know it's sad, actually. It's awful.
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 1: Well, I think anytime you find somebody, and I've thought
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 1: this in my own world, it's like, if you start
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 1: thinking like, oh, this race or this ethnicity or this
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 1: group should be the one, then that is a trap.
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 1: That is a dangerous, that is an evil thought or feeling.
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 2: Right there. That is the truth.
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 1: It's an evil thought or feeling because it's just, it's
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 1: not possible. It's not real. So you have to recognize
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 1: that that kind of thought is just a trap, that
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 1: it's very, that's just a scary trap.
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 2: I completely agree. And that is the trap they're luring
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 2: you into. When they call you names, they are trying
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 2: to make you into the hater they claim you are.
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 2: And once you become that, you're destroyed. Yeah. And obsessing
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 2: over like other people races being bad like that's how
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 2: you become a fucking crazy person.
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 1: Well that's the kind of stuff that the news has
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 1: done over the years so when you start to think
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 1: about all the infighting that the news has created over
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 1: the years and let us down all these rabbit holes
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 1: it's like fuck what the fuck were we doing.
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 2: The whole point was to make you hate each other
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 2: who's divide and conquer 100% Arabs with box cutters can
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 2: I just say Blacks versus drones, dude. Arabs with box cutters. Okay.
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 2: All right. Arabs with box cutters.
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 1: Okay. Is there a– I know when you think about that.
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 2: It's hilarious when you say it. Of course. I spent
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 2: like 20 years being like the threat is– Theo, the
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 2: threat is Arabs with box cutters. They could be anywhere.
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 1: Shut up. I don't know. It's pretty masterful like how
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 1: things have gone on. But it's just– it's pretty wild.
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 2: It you will punch through. I can tell that you're
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 2: like in a stage that I was literally last week.
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 2: And then you get through it and you're like, it's OK.
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 2: It's totally OK.
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 1: I was an idiot for believing that stuff in the
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 1: first place. It's my fault, actually.
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 2: If I fell for like read his Jeffrey Epstein's emails
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 2: and you will realize like if I fell for the
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 2: idea that he was like a diabolical mastermind and not
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 2: just some thug from Staten Island or Coney Island.
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 1: That was on me. Then you break through and you're like,
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 1: of course it's fake. It was never real.
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 2: You really think that with the world at stake, three
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 2: zip codes in Pennsylvania are choosing the president? Okay, yeah.
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 1: All right now. So no, of course it's fake.
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 2: Shame on me for believing it. But now, like, all
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 2: the things that are real, God, people you love, the truth,
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 2: it's like there's so much to be happy about, actually.
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 2: You don't have, they want you to be totally freaked out.
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 2: They are the ones who wrote this horror movie.
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 3: Right, right.
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 2: Like, bang, what was that noise? Holy shit, is there
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 2: something under the bed? And you look under the bed
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 2: and you realize, yeah, it's actually, there are tons of
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 2: monsters under the bed. But they're kind of like lame monsters.
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 2: They're like Jeffrey Epstein monsters. They're like, not that scary, really.
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 2: I'm not afraid of you, bitch. And then the second
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 2: you say that, you're like, oh, I'm not afraid of anything, actually. Like,
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 2: look under the bed. Yes, there are monsters.
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 1: No, they probably can't kill you unless you bitch out
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 1: and let them. Yeah. Do you... What do you feel
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 1: like about what is going on with Candace right now?
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 1: Do you feel like the issues with the French are realistic?
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 1: When she went down that wiener thing, I was like,
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 1: who cares if that lady has a wiener or whatever?
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 1: With Miss McCrone or whatever?
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the presidentess.
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 1: Who cares if somebody has a dang wiener or whatever,
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 1: if some lady has a wiener?
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 2: It would be shocking if you didn't know it and
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 2: you found it by accident. I do think that.
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, if you were looking for something in your
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 1: purse and then a damn wiener was in there.
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 2: No, but I mean if you were like, I don't know,
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 2: in a cab or something and reached over and you
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 2: found what you didn't expect, you know, like in Bangkok
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 2: or something.
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 1: If I'm her, I show that thing off every now
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 1: and then. I pop that bitch out at a party. Yeah,
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 1: I would do that ring game. I'd have that ring
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 1: game and just hang it from my chin and then
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 1: have people try to hook it on there.
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 2: You need your roommate with a Viagra supply. would you
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 2: know my name?
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 1: Dude, they'd make me play it like three or four times, dude.
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 2: If I was in bed with my wife and you
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 2: showed up in the dark with an acoustic guitar playing
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 2: Eric Clapton, that would scare, first of all, I would,
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 2: and I'm not violent, but I'd fucking blow you away
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 2: because I have a sidearm in my bedside.
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 1: What?
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 2: I would. All of a sudden, you're in bed with
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 2: your girl and someone's singing. Eric Clapton on an acoustic
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 2: guitar is like a fucking nightmare.
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 1: You're like the incubus.
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 2: I'd be like, Stop right there. And you'd be like.
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 1: If I saw you in heaven. Well, the crazy thing,
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 1: it's the saddest song. I don't even know what the
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 1: song was about. I just learned it. And then in hindsight,
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 1: when I realized I'm in there just playing for a
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 1: bunch of geeked up seniors who were hopped up on
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 1: wiener uppers. And I was over there fucking playing a
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 1: sad song. Isn't it about his son dying?
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 1: It's a beautiful song. But yes, it is. And it's
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 1: very sad. It's heartbreaking.
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know what I was doing. It's not a
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 2: sexy song, though. And I wonder how that mixes with Viagra.
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 2: I don't see them. Like, of all the Viagra songs,
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 2: like Paradise by the Dashboard Lights or something, you know. Yeah.
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 1: Well, I only knew three songs.
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 2: You shook me all night long.
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 1: Didn't have it.
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 2: But Tears in Heaven? I mean, that's a boner killer. No?
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 2: I thought so.
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 1: That's like a dirge. They've been drinking orange juice and vodkas, dude.
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 1: The best thing I could do was that, and then
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 1: I had that... Well, Billy Ray was a preacher's son.
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 1: And that was a little.
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 2: Dusty Springfield, ladies and gentlemen. That's kind of a hot
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 2: song in a way. That was a little too. Do
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 2: you know that she was a British lesbian?
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 1: Dusty Springfield? Yes. When you hear that, she's like, she's
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 1: a black woman. Wait, I thought it was a.
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 2: No, no. She was a little white girl lesbian. That
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 2: was her only hit, I think, ever. That's Dusty Springfield.
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 2: And she died young. She died at.
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 1: Who remade the song?
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 2: At 60.
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 1: 60.
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 2: No, that's the original, it's hers. Oh, it is.
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 1: I think people have covered it, but the one that
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 1: you know. I thought, what's her name, redid it.
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 2: I'm sure many have covered it, but the one that
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 2: you hear still is hers. Is hers, wow.
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Aretha, I guess Aretha did it. Oh, Ja Stone.
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 1: It's a testament to the durability of her version that
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 1: that's still the one. Amen, amen. Written the year I
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 1: was born, I think. Um, yeah, I just wonder, like,
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 1: is there, you got me spun up with the preacher stuff.
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 1: Did I really? You did. Well, who said stuff like,
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 1: what about Judah Smith? He's a pastor that I know.
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 1: Did he speak up about it? Do you know him?
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 1: Is he here?
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 2: Is he a good guy?
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah. Judah's awesome. He's a great pastor. I just, uh,
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 1: I just wonder if some of like the bigger, like
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 1: pastors spoke up about.
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 2: It or not.
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know. And then that's when you start to think, well,
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 1: am I wrong for, you know, what am I feeling?
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 2: What's going on?
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 1: There's no public record of Judah Smith, the pastor and author,
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 1: speaking publicly about the conflict in Gaza. However, there's a
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 1: different Judah Smith, a medical student, who spoke about the
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 1: impact of mystical strike on Sirocco Medical Center in Israel,
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 1: which may be a good source of confusion. No public
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 1: statements on the Gaza conflict from the pastor and lead
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 1: at church home. But yeah, I mean, people have their
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 1: different views, you know, and those are like, I think
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 1: it's just stuff I'm curious about. And I don't know
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 1: like enough about the Bible sometimes.
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 2: I think we have to say that Jesus is against
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 2: killing innocents. I just think we have to say that
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 2: because what's, I mean, if we can't say that, then
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 2: what can we say?
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 1: This is not a religion of violence. It's just not. Do, um,
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 1: what do you feel like about Candace's, the, the assassination attempt?
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 1: Do you find there was a reality in that?
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 2: I think that, um, I don't, I don't understand it.
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 2: I love, I just want to say again, I love Candace.
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 2: She's coming tonight.
• 2:16:17
  Speaker 1: And, uh, her kids are the best. I've known her
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 1: a long time.
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 1: I go over there just like see her kids. Sometimes
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 1: I know that's kind of weird or whatever, but it's
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 1: not weird. I don't have any children or wife or anything.
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 1: So I go over there and, uh, yeah, her kids
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 1: are like as full of life as could be. And
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 1: they're all mixed kids and that's awesome. And then like-
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 1: Pretty kids. Oh, dude. She has beautiful kids. And her
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 1: and George are just funny, man.
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 2: I totally agree. So I would say of the assassination,
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 2: first of all, I knew him while he was right
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 2: at my house right before he was killed.
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 1: So I feel emotional about it still.
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 2: Who was?
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk?
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 2: Yep. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. I didn't know that. And
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 2: I love his wife and know his wife well. And
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 2: so I feel emotional about it. I just haven't wanted
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 2: anything to do with it. But I will say a
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 2: couple of things. I don't understand the official story at all. Uh, assassination.
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 2: I don't, I don't, I don't understand it. And I
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 2: want to make sure that there is a, like a
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 2: truly rigorous and honest federal investigation of it. And I'm
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 2: definitely concerned about that. A B the, I think that, um,
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 2: one of the, I don't know many of the details,
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 2: but I know that, uh, recently Candace said that, uh,
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 2: Egyptian registered aircraft were following Erica Kirk, Charlie's widow around
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 2: for a number of years in different places in the world.
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 2: That's one of the weirdest things I've ever heard. And
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 2: I just want to say that that is factually true.
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 1: So that's like the one data point that I happen
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 1: to know is true. What does that mean? I have
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 1: literally no idea. I can't even guess, but that's very,
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 1: very strange. And what does Egyptian could mean? Aircrafts from Egypt?
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 1: Who knows?
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 2: I think that they were registered in Egypt. Got it.
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 2: But that fact is true. So that enough... And also
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 2: her claim that there were kind of a disproportionately large
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 2: number of foreign registered cell phones at the event. That's
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 2: also true. So what does that add up to? I
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 2: don't know. But it means that the FBI has a
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 2: moral and legal obligation to look in every direction and
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 2: to be open-minded as you would in any investigation in
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 2: journalism and science.
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 1: It's all the same process. I don't know the answer.
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 2: And I'm going to sift through everything as open-mindedly as
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 2: I can, as honestly as I can, to get to
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 2: what the truth is.
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 1: Again, that's science. That's law enforcement. That's journalism. It's all
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 1: the same. That's justice.
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 2: And I just want to make sure that is happening.
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 2: And I just don't have a ton of confidence in
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 2: the FBI or the men who run it. And I'm
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 2: not saying that out of ignorance at all.
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 1: That's a scary part, too.
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 2: I'm not alleging anything. I'm just saying I think it's
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 2: really important that we have that. Yeah, and also, I
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 2: have no, I mean, I never wanted to think any
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 2: of this. Like, leaders of the FBI are on Twitter? Like, what?
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, the one, did you see the video that Tim
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 1: Dillon did about the, no, because it makes me too mad.
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 1: But no, I agree. It's like, and also, here's the
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 1: weird thing. I never wanted to think about any of
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 1: this shit. I never wanted to think that our FBI
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 1: didn't care about us or that our CIA was compromised
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 1: or that we couldn't, like, you can't even call the
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 1: police department without thinking that it goes directly to some
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 1: other foreign lobby, right? Like, so like, And like, so
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 1: it's weird that if people point fingers, you're like, I never,
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 1: I just wanted to be, I just wanted to try
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 1: my best and fucking be alive. Like, you know what
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 1: I'm saying? Like, you're not like a weirdo just because
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 1: your brain is trying to figure things out. That's a
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 1: brain's job is to try to figure things out, is
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 1: to try to make organization of things, right? Um, so
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 1: it's just so crazy that people who are trying to
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 1: figure things out are getting ostracized, you know, whether they're
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 1: right or wrong or something, at least they're trying to
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 1: have some semblance of like curiosity, which is really just
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 1: kind of reframe.
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 2: The official story describing the murder of your friend doesn't
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 2: make sense. And you find yourself yelling at a podcaster
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 2: for coming up with other theories. You're, you're barking in
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 2: the wrong direction. You're, anger should be focused on the
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 2: people whose job it is legally, constitutionally, to get to
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 2: the answer. And there's very little pressure on them, I notice.
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 2: And a great deal of pressure on Candace Owens. And I've,
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 2: by the way, I've said this to a bunch of people,
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 2: you know, off the record, you know, people I'm just
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 2: talking to. It's like, you know, what Candace is saying
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 2: is clearly causing a lot of turmoil. Is it true
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 2: or not? I can't assess it. I'm not the FBI.
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 2: I'm a freaking podcaster. But I do know how the
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 2: system works, and it's really simple. The FBI... has this case,
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 2: and of course the state of Utah. It's their job
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 2: to not only find out what happened, but present it
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 2: to the public in a way that restores some confidence
• 2:21:06
  Speaker 2: that you can have justice in this country, that we
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 2: have functioning law enforcement. I don't have confidence in that
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 2: because there's a lot of evidence that we don't have that.
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 2: So restore confidence by being honest and telling a story
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 2: that makes sense. So why, if they don't do that,
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 2: and they haven't done that, they have not done that,
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 2: How can you be mad at Candace Owens or anyone
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 2: else for filling a vacuum that they left?
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:21:31
  Speaker 2: Well, Candace is bad. Okay.
• 2:21:33
  Speaker 1: No.
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 2: The people with the authority are the ones responsible. And
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 2: they're the ones who should be held responsible when there's
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 2: a failure. Not some podcaster.
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 1: Not me.
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 2: Not you.
• 2:21:43
  Speaker 1: Not Candace. The people whose job it is.
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 2: Talk about.
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 1: And it's always that. It's always like... You know, you say, well,
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know why Israel's committing genocide. And God's like,
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 1: shut up, Theobald. It's like, shouldn't you be mad at
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 1: Israel for committing the genocide? Yeah, or shouldn't, why am
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 1: I the one even asking about it, dude? I'm just
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 1: a curious fucktard, dude. You know what I'm saying? I'm
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 1: trying my best, but fuck, dude. I couldn't agree more.
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm a guy who lived with a 66-year-old
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 1: man to fucking chirp boner pills off of him, dude.
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 2: With respect, like a lot of these criminal investigations, your
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 2: story doesn't make sense.
• 2:22:19
  Speaker 1: Dude, his name was Wally.
• 2:22:20
  Speaker 2: He played tennis.
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 1: He was a 4.0 at tennis.
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 2: That makes him sound kind of wholesome and normal. He
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 2: was my buddy's dad. You live with him so you
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 2: can get free boner pills. Then he invites you into
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 2: his bedroom in the dark with his girl to play
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 2: Eric Clapton songs on an acoustic guitar. And you don't
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 2: think there's anything kind of freaky about that at all.
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 1: I think that's the most normal thing we've talked about
• 2:22:40
  Speaker 1: all episode.
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 2: You know you're probably right.
• 2:22:43
  Speaker 1: To be really honest with you. To put it in context, yes.
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 1: I want to get you out of here soon because
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 1: we want to go to your party tonight. What is
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 1: one of the things about the Charlie Kirk assassination that
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 1: rubs you the wrongest, do you feel like?
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 2: About the investigation into it?
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, it's the whole thing with the kid
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 1: and the images and they see him like a dairy queen.
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 1: It's just like it's all so confusing you can't decide
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 1: what to believe. But also the fact that it doesn't
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 1: feel like there's any presentation from the FBI or something
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 1: about reality. So it feels like It's internet sluice filling
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 1: in all the pieces. What do you think?
• 2:23:19
  Speaker 2: I've called directly to say that, just as an American,
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 2: as a friend of Charlie's who is interested in seeing
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 2: justice and is interested in preserving our system beyond this year. Like,
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 2: if you want the system to continue, you have to
• 2:23:32
  Speaker 2: satisfy people the system is real. And if they're convinced
• 2:23:35
  Speaker 2: that it's not real, at some point they'll overthrow it.
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 2: That's just going to happen, okay? Oh, but Mamdani! Yeah,
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 2: how do you think we got Mamdani? And you think
• 2:23:42
  Speaker 2: Mamdani's radical? The dude went to Bowdoin. It could be
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 2: a lot more radical than that. And we're going to
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 2: get that. They have a good sailing team there. Do they? Yeah.
• 2:23:51
  Speaker 1: At Bowdoin? I thought it was Bowdoin, but it's not. No,
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 1: it's Bowdoin. Known really for sodomy, but also sailing. Oh,
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that.
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 2: Enthusiastic. Actually, they've got one of the top-rated varsity sodomy
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 2: teams in the country.
• 2:24:04
  Speaker 1: Hard to starboard. Zen users.
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 2: But anyway, here's what I am concerned about. A lot
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 2: of things.
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 1: One, he acted alone. Tell me how that worked. I don't,
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 1: you know, none of us.
• 2:24:17
  Speaker 2: Really act alone.
• 2:24:18
  Speaker 1: It's hard to go anywhere by yourself too. Thank you.
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 2: Exactly. You acted totally alone.
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 2: You're going to have to prove that to me. It's
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 2: totally possible. Anything is possible. Weird things have happened. We'll
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 2: continue to. But if you're, that's not my default assumption
• 2:24:29
  Speaker 2: and it shouldn't be yours. And their default assumption was
• 2:24:31
  Speaker 2: we acted alone. Really? Why do you think that? What
• 2:24:34
  Speaker 2: about life suggests that people typically act alone? What was
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 2: the last time you acted alone in anything? I don't go,
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 2: you know, right? So A, B, we know that people
• 2:24:43
  Speaker 2: had foreknowledge of this because they posted about it on
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 2: X and said, Charlie Kirk is going to be killed
• 2:24:48
  Speaker 2: on this date.
• 2:24:49
  Speaker 1: And he was. Is that true? Yes, it's true. Were
• 2:24:51
  Speaker 1: they just guessing? Was it a guessing thing where every.
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 2: Day they posted that? Maybe, maybe. Have those people been interviewed?
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 2: Have they been hauled into FBI HQ and had a
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 2: long conversation with how they knew that.
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 1: Like, let's get really specific. Why did you post that?
• 2:25:04
  Speaker 1: Who have you talked to?
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 2: Like, if I were doing this investigation because I spent
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 2: my whole life doing non-criminal investigations called journalism, like what
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 2: do we know is true? How do we find out?
• 2:25:13
  Speaker 2: Call everybody, be open-minded. It's like a very, it's the
• 2:25:15
  Speaker 2: same process. If I was doing this investigation, they would
• 2:25:18
  Speaker 2: be at the very top of the list. We know
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 2: because we've got public postings on Twitter that people know,
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 2: just like on 9-11. We know people bet against American
• 2:25:26
  Speaker 2: Airlines and the banks that were in the World Trade Center's.
• 2:25:30
  Speaker 2: They shorted those stocks. Those people clearly had foreknowledge of 9-11.
• 2:25:34
  Speaker 2: Who were those people? We still don't know. So I
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 2: would start there.
• 2:25:37
  Speaker 1: So you're saying that just the fact that there could
• 2:25:39
  Speaker 1: possibly be some foreknowledge should be investigated.
• 2:25:41
  Speaker 2: Well, there was foreknowledge because I saw the tweets. And
• 2:25:45
  Speaker 2: so I saw at least two that said, you know,
• 2:25:48
  Speaker 2: everything's going to change when Charlie Kirk gets to the
• 2:25:51
  Speaker 2: college in Utah. Okay. So those people, I'm not saying
• 2:25:54
  Speaker 2: they're part of a conspiracy, but they have There's evidence
• 2:25:58
  Speaker 2: that they had foreknowledge.
• 2:25:59
  Speaker 1: Okay, so that's where you begin. And then I could
• 2:26:02
  Speaker 1: go on.
• 2:26:03
  Speaker 2: Like, tell me how this guy who seemed normal became
• 2:26:07
  Speaker 2: a radical, trans, furry murderer? It's not enough to tell me, oh, trans.
• 2:26:13
  Speaker 2: I'm not pro-trans, by the way.
• 2:26:15
  Speaker 1: But was that the guy or his boyfriend?
• 2:26:18
  Speaker 2: Well, exactly. Exactly right. Tell me how this guy... became
• 2:26:22
  Speaker 2: so radicalized that he murdered a stranger. I'm not saying
• 2:26:25
  Speaker 2: it didn't happen. I'm saying I want an explanation for
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 2: how it happened. Why wouldn't I? I agree. Oh, we
• 2:26:31
  Speaker 2: can't talk about that because it'll prejudice the jury pool. Really,
• 2:26:34
  Speaker 2: you've told the world that you have both a confession
• 2:26:37
  Speaker 2: from him in his text to his boyfriend and the
• 2:26:41
  Speaker 2: murder weapon with his fingerprints on it. I think you've
• 2:26:42
  Speaker 2: got a pretty solid case. So why is it so
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 2: difficult to just explain, dude, 9-11, the rubble was still
• 2:26:50
  Speaker 2: smoldering when... I was on television on 9-11, so I
• 2:26:53
  Speaker 2: remember this very well. People instantly appeared. This is Islamic radicalism.
• 2:26:57
  Speaker 2: Here's where it comes from. We're going to invite this
• 2:26:59
  Speaker 2: guy in from Columbia who's just written a book about it.
• 2:27:01
  Speaker 2: And the whole explanation was ready to go. This, there's
• 2:27:04
  Speaker 2: no even attempt, which is both good and bad. But
• 2:27:07
  Speaker 2: there's no attempt to explain how this happened. That's the
• 2:27:10
  Speaker 2: key question we all want to know. Yes, I know
• 2:27:12
  Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk was murdered by gunshot.
• 2:27:14
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 2:27:14
  Speaker 2: Saw it. Why? And they never want to tell you. Yeah.
• 2:27:19
  Speaker 2: Was the kid unnecessary? Shut up. Oh, you're a Scientologist?
• 2:27:22
  Speaker 2: They immediately start name calling you. Oh, you're Candace Owens now?
• 2:27:26
  Speaker 1: No. Yeah, but if you're just a curious person who
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 1: wants to know why your friend got killed. Well, that's
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 1: kind of what I am.
• 2:27:33
  Speaker 2: That's what I am.
• 2:27:34
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. It's just, it's a human person. Well,
• 2:27:37
  Speaker 1: that's what Candace is.
• 2:27:37
  Speaker 2: So maybe, so I have said for the beginning if
• 2:27:41
  Speaker 2: you don't like what candace owens is saying why don't
• 2:27:44
  Speaker 2: you call her and offer a more plausible explanation for
• 2:27:48
  Speaker 2: what happened oh she's bad she's bad okay i mean
• 2:27:52
  Speaker 2: i like her a lot i don't think she's bad
• 2:27:54
  Speaker 2: but i love her actually but Let's just stipulate she's bad,
• 2:27:58
  Speaker 2: but why wouldn't you do that?
• 2:28:00
  Speaker 1: I don't agree with some of the stuff, the rabbit
• 2:28:02
  Speaker 1: hole she goes down.
• 2:28:03
  Speaker 2: I don't even know.
• 2:28:04
  Speaker 1: But I like the fact that she likes to dig
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 1: in the garden, you know? So it's like I like
• 2:28:09
  Speaker 1: the fact that she's curious and that obviously if people
• 2:28:12
  Speaker 1: weren't resonating with what she's doing, then nobody would be
• 2:28:15
  Speaker 1: paying attention. But you know how many places I go?
• 2:28:18
  Speaker 1: People will come up to me and be like, and
• 2:28:21
  Speaker 1: I don't think they want to say something to me.
• 2:28:22
  Speaker 1: They'll be like, I love Candace Owens. Dude, did I
• 2:28:24
  Speaker 1: say what happened to me in Oslo this summer? Mm-mm.
• 2:28:26
  Speaker 1: I was with my family, salmon fishing. White Oslo. Some
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 1: people call it White Oslo as well. It's not very
• 2:28:31
  Speaker 1: white anymore. It isn't? Nope. Oh, it's low.
• 2:28:35
  Speaker 2: But anyway, I'm in Oslo, Norway. And just for one night,
• 2:28:39
  Speaker 2: we were fishing. And we go to Oslo to fly out.
• 2:28:41
  Speaker 2: And I'm walking down the street with one of my daughters.
• 2:28:44
  Speaker 2: Tucker Carlson! I was like, shit, I'm going to get
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 2: yelled at in Oslo. This guy runs up to me.
• 2:28:49
  Speaker 2: Tucker Carlson, yes?
• 2:28:50
  Speaker 1: You know Kansas Owens?
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 2: I was like, yeah. He goes, tell her I And
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 2: I texted Candace, I was like, that is fame when
• 2:28:57
  Speaker 2: people come up to you just because of the reflected
• 2:28:59
  Speaker 2: glory of someone you know. So why do people like
• 2:29:02
  Speaker 2: Candace so much? She's an amazing broadcaster, yes. Because they
• 2:29:06
  Speaker 2: sense in her, she might be wrong. Is she lying
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 2: to me?
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 1: Not on purpose. They sense the purity of her intent.
• 2:29:12
  Speaker 1: That's the truth.
• 2:29:13
  Speaker 2: And I can say as someone who's dealt with government
• 2:29:14
  Speaker 2: officials my whole life, I'm not vouching for everything Candace claims.
• 2:29:18
  Speaker 2: I don't even know a lot of what she claims
• 2:29:20
  Speaker 2: because I'm working on other stuff and it makes me
• 2:29:22
  Speaker 2: sad also. But the point is, Do I trust Candace
• 2:29:27
  Speaker 2: more than I trust your average DOJ official? Are you joking?
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 2: It's not even close, dude. It's not even close. It's
• 2:29:34
  Speaker 2: not even close. We can all be wrong, but who
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 2: do I trust to try to tell the truth more?
• 2:29:39
  Speaker 2: Candace or your average DOJ official? Opposite ends of the spectrum,
• 2:29:43
  Speaker 2: I'll just say that. Do you feel that?
• 2:29:46
  Speaker 1: It's a scary time, yeah. It's a scary time. It's like,
• 2:29:49
  Speaker 1: I remember when you were interviewing Putin, I remember thinking,
• 2:29:55
  Speaker 1: we may get some real information here, which is kind
• 2:29:58
  Speaker 1: of a crazy... I know! And I'll just admit that.
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 1: I'll be like, dude, we might really get some information here.
• 2:30:06
  Speaker 1: Instead of all this BS like Russia was involved in
• 2:30:08
  Speaker 1: making all these ads and all this thing, we might
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 1: really get some information here.
• 2:30:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you were right. It's 2.58.
• 2:30:14
  Speaker 1: You came at noon, right?
• 2:30:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:30:16
  Speaker 1: Okay, we gotta get you out of here.
• 2:30:17
  Speaker 2: Damn.
• 2:30:18
  Speaker 1: That sucks. There goes your nap, though.
• 2:30:20
  Speaker 2: I don't nap at noon. You don't? No, I'm... Dude,
• 2:30:22
  Speaker 2: I'm flying to the Middle East tomorrow. That's like 12
• 2:30:25
  Speaker 2: hours a piece for me. I'm just going to eat hummus.
• 2:30:29
  Speaker 1: Are you flying on a commercial?
• 2:30:30
  Speaker 2: I'm flying commercial. They have the best. They have the
• 2:30:33
  Speaker 2: best airline. I know that makes me an Islamist. I
• 2:30:37
  Speaker 2: know I'm responsible for Danny Pearl's murder for saying that,
• 2:30:40
  Speaker 2: but Qatar Airways is like the best airline. It just is.
• 2:30:43
  Speaker 2: I've flown in all airlines.
• 2:30:44
  Speaker 1: Dude, some of the best people over there. I had
• 2:30:47
  Speaker 1: a great time over there.
• 2:30:48
  Speaker 2: Totally agree.
• 2:30:49
  Speaker 1: And what I like about their country is they keep
• 2:30:51
  Speaker 1: shit in line. There's not a lot of fucking BS
• 2:30:54
  Speaker 1: over there. You can say what you want.
• 2:30:56
  Speaker 2: It's definitely more restrained in some ways.
• 2:30:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah. We could say f * * * it as well, dude.
• 2:31:00
  Speaker 1: Remember you couldn't even say it the other day.
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 2: Well, I could say it because I'm American. But no,
• 2:31:04
  Speaker 2: you're not allowed to spray paint public buildings there. Sorry.
• 2:31:07
  Speaker 1: You can't shit on the sidewalk.
• 2:31:08
  Speaker 2: You're not allowed to have sex in an ATM vestibule
• 2:31:11
  Speaker 2: or smoke meth in front of other people's houses.
• 2:31:14
  Speaker 1: But you can say what you believe. So there's a
• 2:31:17
  Speaker 1: constriction of freedom in some ways, for sure. Well, especially
• 2:31:20
  Speaker 1: like the other day. So my gay friend calls me up.
• 2:31:22
  Speaker 1: He's like, dude, he wanted me to say f *
• 2:31:23
  Speaker 1: * * it to his friends on Zoom, right? And
• 2:31:27
  Speaker 1: I'm like, dude. What's your life like, dude? Bro, I'm like, dude,
• 2:31:30
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying I just woke up.
• 2:31:31
  Speaker 2: Can we just consider, you just said my gay friend
• 2:31:33
  Speaker 2: called me the other day and he wants me to
• 2:31:35
  Speaker 2: say f * * * it to his friends on Zoom.
• 2:31:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he thought it would be cool.
• 2:31:37
  Speaker 2: That's an amazing sentence.
• 2:31:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's like people are trying to say like, well,
• 2:31:42
  Speaker 1: you can't say this and that, but it's like, what
• 2:31:43
  Speaker 1: do you want me to do in that instance? It's
• 2:31:45
  Speaker 1: like my gay buddy calls me up and he's like, dude,
• 2:31:48
  Speaker 1: a couple of my boys are over here. Trent's over here.
• 2:31:50
  Speaker 1: Say f * * * it for us. And I'm like, dude,
• 2:31:52
  Speaker 1: you know, and I just woken up, right? I'm like,
• 2:31:54
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying it like if I just woke up, dude.
• 2:31:56
  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
• 2:31:57
  Speaker 2: You gotta ease into f * * * it. You
• 2:31:59
  Speaker 2: can't just like go cold into f * * * it.
• 2:32:01
  Speaker 2: I've had this exact problem.
• 2:32:02
  Speaker 1: Dude, I'm not having my eyes open for.
• 2:32:04
  Speaker 2: My wife will say that. She'll wake me up. She's like,
• 2:32:05
  Speaker 2: say * * * *. I'll be like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
• 2:32:07
  Speaker 2: I need a cup of coffee first.
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 1: Definitely, dude. At least let me put on some sneakers.
• 2:32:13
  Speaker 1: But that was– it's like– and then– and also the
• 2:32:15
  Speaker 1: fact that Piers Morgan wouldn't say it. It's a British word.
• 2:32:18
  Speaker 1: You guys started the word. I know.
• 2:32:19
  Speaker 2: It's not like I asked him to say * *
• 2:32:20
  Speaker 2: * *. I almost did because I think that's allowed.
• 2:32:22
  Speaker 2: You can say that.
• 2:32:23
  Speaker 1: Well, that's fair.
• 2:32:24
  Speaker 2: The K word is they say where I live.
• 2:32:25
  Speaker 1: They're both his words, dude. And I understand like not
• 2:32:29
  Speaker 1: yelling it at somebody that's gay or like, you know,
• 2:32:31
  Speaker 1: say you open your door and like two guys are
• 2:32:32
  Speaker 1: like blowing each other in your front yard or something.
• 2:32:34
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 2:32:35
  Speaker 2: No, that's when you don't say it.
• 2:32:36
  Speaker 1: That's when you don't say it.
• 2:32:37
  Speaker 2: Because you don't call a fat girl fat. Well, yeah.
• 2:32:39
  Speaker 2: You joke about the skinny girl being fat because it's
• 2:32:41
  Speaker 2: a joke.
• 2:32:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You don't yell fat. You're like, hey, fellas, hit
• 2:32:44
  Speaker 1: the road. Right. You know, it's like.
• 2:32:47
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 2:32:48
  Speaker 1: Dude, like one time I walked behind a 7-Eleven. There's
• 2:32:49
  Speaker 1: a couple of gay dudes back there. One of them
• 2:32:51
  Speaker 1: was at least gay and they were one of them
• 2:32:53
  Speaker 1: was blowing one of them. Right. So at least. So
• 2:32:55
  Speaker 1: who is gay?
• 2:32:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 2:32:56
  Speaker 1: Who is gay?
• 2:32:58
  Speaker 2: No, sorry. Just kidding.
• 2:32:59
  Speaker 1: Who is gay? But yeah, I didn't ask right at
• 2:33:01
  Speaker 1: that point. No, but I was like, guys, come on,
• 2:33:04
  Speaker 1: you know? And one of them got into a car
• 2:33:07
  Speaker 1: that had those– it was like a Honda Civic that
• 2:33:12
  Speaker 1: had those– it was around the holidays– that had those
• 2:33:15
  Speaker 1: antler ears out the side.
• 2:33:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:33:16
  Speaker 1: And I was like, that's– Was that the guy blowing
• 2:33:19
  Speaker 1: or getting blown? I don't know which one it was,
• 2:33:20
  Speaker 1: but that was the- It matters. It matters. But that
• 2:33:23
  Speaker 1: was the f * * * it, I think. That
• 2:33:24
  Speaker 1: was the gay- 100%.
• 2:33:25
  Speaker 2: The antler ears? Yeah.
• 2:33:27
  Speaker 1: But that was the gay guy.
• 2:33:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:33:28
  Speaker 1: So anyway, I don't even know why.
• 2:33:30
  Speaker 2: That's called deductive reasoning, Theo. Dude, you are the Sherlock
• 2:33:35
  Speaker 2: Holmes of gay 7-Eleven.
• 2:33:36
  Speaker 1: Dude. but my buddy the other day it's like now
• 2:33:41
  Speaker 1: i'm the bad guy to a gay friend because i
• 2:33:43
  Speaker 1: won't say that because i won't say that over to
• 2:33:47
  Speaker 1: his zoom.
• 2:33:47
  Speaker 2: At work and i'm like dude i'm not bad you
• 2:33:49
  Speaker 2: got a buddy calls all he needs you to do
• 2:33:50
  Speaker 2: is say on zoom that's it he's not asking for
• 2:33:52
  Speaker 2: it's not alone he's not asking to bail him out
• 2:33:55
  Speaker 2: of jail he just want just say it on zoom
• 2:33:57
  Speaker 2: and you're like no the one thing you want i
• 2:33:58
  Speaker 2: deny you.
• 2:33:59
  Speaker 1: Dude i and i've said this before i think that
• 2:34:01
  Speaker 1: a lot of people like Gay people, they should auction
• 2:34:03
  Speaker 1: off the word. Somebody can say it one time. At
• 2:34:05
  Speaker 1: a certain time, everybody can buy a Zoom pass to
• 2:34:07
  Speaker 1: watch the person say it. Say like, I'm trying to
• 2:34:12
  Speaker 1: think of who, but say, who's a good one? Burt
• 2:34:15
  Speaker 1: Reynolds is going to say it tonight, right? He's going
• 2:34:17
  Speaker 1: to say it tonight at midnight. Oh. And everybody can
• 2:34:19
  Speaker 1: buy a pass to watch him say it, right?
• 2:34:21
  Speaker 2: I love that. But it doesn't, I'm not insecure about
• 2:34:24
  Speaker 2: this because I've worked around and loved gays my whole life.
• 2:34:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, none of my gay friends are going to be
• 2:34:29
  Speaker 1: upset about this.
• 2:34:30
  Speaker 2: But you know what?
• 2:34:30
  Speaker 3: Hmm?
• 2:34:31
  Speaker 1: They are the offenders. It's like, they're like rappers with
• 2:34:34
  Speaker 1: the N-word.
• 2:34:35
  Speaker 2: It's insane.
• 2:34:36
  Speaker 1: You work with gay men.
• 2:34:37
  Speaker 2: Like, he's a f * * * er. And I'll
• 2:34:38
  Speaker 2: just be like, oh, I can't deal with this.
• 2:34:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't even, yeah, the people that say, but dude,
• 2:34:42
  Speaker 1: I think it's the same with the N-word. They should
• 2:34:43
  Speaker 1: auction it off where people could, like, say if Angelina
• 2:34:45
  Speaker 1: Jolie is saying the N-word tonight at 10.15, you know
• 2:34:47
  Speaker 1: how many people are going to pay to watch? And
• 2:34:49
  Speaker 1: then the money goes towards black causes and black culture.
• 2:34:53
  Speaker 1: Pay-per-view profanity.
• 2:34:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I love that. Like, why waste it?
• 2:34:59
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:34:59
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:35:00
  Speaker 2: No, you're totally right.
• 2:35:01
  Speaker 1: You know how many people, she gets 30 minutes, she
• 2:35:02
  Speaker 1: can say it anywhere in there, she can do a
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 1: little bit, she can read a book and drop it.
• 2:35:05
  Speaker 2: Angelina Jolie sang the N-word. I might actually pay the $ 25. 99
• 2:35:10
  Speaker 2: to see that. Dude, who wouldn't?
• 2:35:12
  Speaker 1: No, actually. I know. That's what I'm saying, but then
• 2:35:16
  Speaker 1: you're making... That is so naughty. That's like a... I agree.
• 2:35:20
  Speaker 1: But you're making money for your cause. It's like a
• 2:35:22
  Speaker 1: hate crimes OnlyFans. Ooh, kind of.
• 2:35:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:35:25
  Speaker 1: But I think... Can you do that?
• 2:35:26
  Speaker 2: I've never been an OnlyFans, obviously, but could you get
• 2:35:28
  Speaker 2: an OnlyFans to be like.
• 2:35:31
  Speaker 1: To say the N-word.
• 2:35:33
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 2:35:34
  Speaker 1: I think you could do it, dude. If you could
• 2:35:36
  Speaker 1: get George Washington's great-grandson to say it, what about that? Tonight,
• 2:35:39
  Speaker 1: we got George Washington's great-grandson. Bring him up. We got
• 2:35:43
  Speaker 1: George Washington's great-grandson tonight at probably... I bet he's pretty old.
• 2:35:47
  Speaker 1: So at 7.15 p.m. Pretty old. He's like about 150
• 2:35:50
  Speaker 1: years old, actually.
• 2:35:51
  Speaker 2: Wait, sorry.
• 2:35:52
  Speaker 1: Oh, George Washington didn't have any children?
• 2:35:54
  Speaker 2: No, he didn't.
• 2:35:54
  Speaker 1: It's only the Custis's. It's through his wife's family.
• 2:35:57
  Speaker 2: No, he didn't.
• 2:35:58
  Speaker 1: But if his great-great-grandson is saying it, I'm going to
• 2:36:00
  Speaker 1: tap in. There's no way. If it's $ 6. 99 to hear
• 2:36:03
  Speaker 1: him say it at $ 7.
• 2:36:04
  Speaker 2: 15? How about if it was Thomas Jefferson's black great-great-great-great-grandson?
• 2:36:08
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:36:09
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 2:36:09
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't as much. There's no charge there. But still,
• 2:36:11
  Speaker 1: if it's a little Asian guy or whatever who's been
• 2:36:13
  Speaker 1: in a coma, they know he's waking up at 3.
• 2:36:15
  Speaker 1: At 4.30, he's going to say it. And mispronounces it. Yeah.
• 2:36:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I would pay for that.
• 2:36:21
  Speaker 1: Ah, yeah.
• 2:36:23
  Speaker 2: Crazy.
• 2:36:23
  Speaker 1: Might have to take that part out. Anyway, Tucker, how
• 2:36:27
  Speaker 1: do we stay, like, I'm sure there's moments where you've
• 2:36:29
  Speaker 1: gotten too far down the well. Like, if you look
• 2:36:31
  Speaker 1: at some of this stuff too much, it gets really,
• 2:36:33
  Speaker 1: it can get pretty negative.
• 2:36:34
  Speaker 2: I'm out of the well.
• 2:36:35
  Speaker 1: I'm totally out of the well. I've like, I'm above
• 2:36:38
  Speaker 1: the clouds and it's always sunny there.
• 2:36:39
  Speaker 2: It's like, I feel so much better because I just
• 2:36:42
  Speaker 2: concluded that everything you suspect is true. It's always been true.
• 2:36:47
  Speaker 2: It was true in Rome. It was true in every
• 2:36:50
  Speaker 2: period in history and it's true now. And the only
• 2:36:53
  Speaker 2: thing that's changed is we lied to ourselves about it.
• 2:36:55
  Speaker 2: But now once you realize, yeah, it's all true. I
• 2:36:57
  Speaker 2: don't need any more evidence. I got it. I figured
• 2:36:59
  Speaker 2: it out. And the good things in life are still amazing.
• 2:37:04
  Speaker 2: And you can make a difference by telling the truth.
• 2:37:06
  Speaker 2: And when you do, you become stronger in some supernatural way.
• 2:37:10
  Speaker 2: And there's just so much beauty and joy in life.
• 2:37:12
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to get bogged down in all the hatred.
• 2:37:14
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to. take orders from Mark Levin and
• 2:37:17
  Speaker 2: become a Nazi just because he calls me one?
• 2:37:19
  Speaker 1: No.
• 2:37:20
  Speaker 2: Sorry.
• 2:37:21
  Speaker 1: Stop playing your games. Oh, for sure. It's like people
• 2:37:24
  Speaker 1: say stuff on the internet. It's like, whatever, dude. um
• 2:37:28
  Speaker 1: but pivot against it be like yeah i yeah people
• 2:37:32
  Speaker 1: will make fun of me for stuff or do certain
• 2:37:34
  Speaker 1: things it's like i don't care about it that much
• 2:37:36
  Speaker 1: i don't care really what you call me that much
• 2:37:39
  Speaker 1: i mean i already know things that i am you
• 2:37:40
  Speaker 1: know i'm not great that's for sure but uh.
• 2:37:43
  Speaker 2: But they never call you the things you really are
• 2:37:46
  Speaker 2: he lived he lived with a dude who gave him
• 2:37:49
  Speaker 2: free Viagra.
• 2:37:51
  Speaker 1: I had to steal it. I had to sneak in
• 2:37:52
  Speaker 1: there and eat some of it at night. Tucker Carlson, man,
• 2:37:56
  Speaker 1: thanks so much for your time, dude. Do you think
• 2:37:57
  Speaker 1: we're going to get in trouble for any of this?
• 2:38:00
  Speaker 2: I'm already, I was already voted Nazi of the week
• 2:38:04
  Speaker 2: by BB or something. I don't, I don't care. It's
• 2:38:07
  Speaker 2: a lie.
• 2:38:07
  Speaker 1: And if you spend your life, you don't seem like
• 2:38:09
  Speaker 1: a Nazi to me at all, man. No, not a Nazi,
• 2:38:12
  Speaker 1: you know, and I'm not going to become one. Yeah, dude,
• 2:38:15
  Speaker 1: I would notice if you started not seeing a little bit. Yeah.
• 2:38:19
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 2:38:19
  Speaker 2: It's a little too rigid for me, just temperamentally also.
• 2:38:22
  Speaker 2: I don't like tight clothing at all. I can't stand
• 2:38:25
  Speaker 2: to be ordered.
• 2:38:26
  Speaker 1: You'd look good in green, though. Look, before you leave, Tucker,
• 2:38:30
  Speaker 1: I just want to play this for you.
• 2:38:32
  Speaker 2: Do you mind?
• 2:38:32
  Speaker 1: Would you know?
• 2:38:34
  Speaker 2: I'm getting wood listening to that. It's just, you know,
• 2:38:36
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking, like, maybe I do invite Theo over. Just
• 2:38:39
  Speaker 2: middle of the night in bed with my wife. It's
• 2:38:41
  Speaker 2: totally dark. All of a sudden, they hear the notes.
• 2:38:44
  Speaker 1: It's because I couldn't make rent sometimes. I think he
• 2:38:46
  Speaker 1: was thinking of any way I could help out.
• 2:38:48
  Speaker 2: I get it.
• 2:38:48
  Speaker 1: You're young.
• 2:38:48
  Speaker 2: You needed the money.
• 2:38:49
  Speaker 1: I've heard this before. Hey, dude. Those erections, those are
• 2:38:54
  Speaker 1: caused by Alps. You know that, don't you? Yes, they are.
• 2:38:57
  Speaker 1: The pouch for your mouth. Tucker Carlson, thanks so much, man.
• 2:39:01
  Speaker 1: And thanks for inviting me to your get-together. I'm excited
• 2:39:04
  Speaker 1: about it. And I'll see you later on. Anything else
• 2:39:06
  Speaker 1: you wanted to talk about? Nope. All right, appreciate you, brother.
• 2:39:08
  Speaker 2: You're the best. You too, man.
• 2:39:09
  Speaker 1: Thank you. Yep, stay safe.