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X · Deprogrammed Music Podcast

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It's G Program, the podcast where we try to get you into a
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band. That's right.
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We've done all the work for you. All you have to do is press
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play. My name is Justin and you can
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call me Band Curious. And if that means you literally
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want to call me band Curious like it's my nickname, fine,
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I'll take that. Somebody has done that recently
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and that's why I'm putting it out into the universe.
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But what it really means is I am curious about bands.
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And there's a wall of bands on Google spreadsheet that says
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we're going to talk about these bands and we get together, we
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have a conversation, we we pour some love on the band and then
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we will come together, create a top ten star kit list for you to
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get in to said band. And I'll, I'll make it simple,
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man. We're travelling all the way to
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Los Angeles and maybe Los Santos if you play GTA5.
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We're going to be talking about X today.
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And John, I feel like this one has been up on the board for a
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long time, so talk to me about. XX is one of those like first
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generation LA punk bands. They're the first band that
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we've covered that was on the Decline of Western Civilization
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documentary, which is amazing. And like, they're not my
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favorite band from that. That would be the Germs, but
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they are probably the coolest band from that.
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Like they mixed like rock'n'roll rockabilly with punk and like
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the songwriting is really good. Like John Doe Exene, who's the
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singer Billy Zoom playing guitar, like just the coolest
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guitar player of all time. And they kind of like, there's
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one of those things where they were almost too good for the,
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the punk singer and they, they graduated and like they the 80s
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got a hold of them. And they as as they did a lot of
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bands and they kind of when they're off in in a different
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directions, but they're, they're an important band.
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Like they were really influential on, on a lot of
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bands, like trading off the, the male female vocals mixing.
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Like, you know, we, we just did Social Distortion a few weeks
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ago and like Social Distortion and X kind of came around at the
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same time, but very similar kind of trajectory.
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They're like, they embrace the same kind of things like the,
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the rock'n'roll, the rockabilly influence.
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So yeah, they're they're just a great band.
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So you already mentioned a couple things that I, I kind of
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wanted to touch upon because they feel like this very nice
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cross section for for Gavin. I don't know if this if this is
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just me projecting on you over the years of doing the show with
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you Gavin, but this feels like a nice cross section of influences
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for you. Oh yeah, this is like, this is
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my jam right here. Thanks for having me on the
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show. I love doing it with this group
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of guys too. Yeah, like top five.
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And for me, like one of my all time favorite bands I had.
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I got more fun in the new world when I was 14 years old just
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because like I was just grabbing any like new wave record that I
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could and thought of them as a new wave band at that point.
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And I didn't, I couldn't get it, you know?
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I didn't like that record not until like three years later
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when I was 17 and I like completely like lost my shit for
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X. Like totally fell in love with
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them. They were just so fucking cool.
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Like John said, they were the coolest band.
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They were LA band. Growing up in California in the
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80s. If you were weird, you could not
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escape. XI would say that they were my
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Royals. You know, like John and Exene
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were like the king and queen and like, we were kind of like doing
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all the stuff. Like we were going not like
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there was a playbook just by accident.
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Like we were going to rib stores.
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We were like collecting weird shit and like religious
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iconography and like we were making scrapbooks, my friends
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and I and like hanging up Christmas lights in our bedrooms
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and tapestries and our as we're getting our like first
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apartments. But then when you see X in in
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the Decline that John talked about and in their own
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documentary called The Unheard Music, like they just did it
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better than everybody. That aesthetic, whatever that
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is, that like young bohemian punk like aesthetic.
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They look so fucking cool. They made their own clothes.
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She was an amazing artist. If you just look at her
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handwriting, like in the on the lyric sheet, the way that she
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writes. I was just like completely
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enthralled by them. And then as I got older and
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moved to San Francisco with all my friends in my early 20s, you
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know, like, and started having like more serious relationships
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and we were all trying to kind of like make it in the city.
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Like X wrote about LA yes, for sure in this cool way.
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Like they definitely like wrote about LA, but to me what they
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wrote about was their relationship, which is
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interesting. They they pull back the curtain
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on their relationship and not in like romanticized like
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aspirational way that 70s like rock songs did like love songs,
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like they were like fucking their songs were like gritty,
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like working class. We've been talking about that a
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lot in the bands lately, that we've been covering descriptions
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of their domestic life. Like, they open the door to
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their apartment and we're like, come on in.
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Their friends are fucking passed out on the floor.
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The lady next door is naked in the street.
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Last night, everything broke, you know?
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And that's like what our lives looked like, too.
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Like, we were on drugs in San Francisco in cheap Victorian
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apartments and the drama of like, having no money and like
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for impulse control or whatever was like breaking up
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relationships and straining, like really important
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friendships. And like, it just felt like X
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was like singing our fucking lives, you know?
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And like they wrote kitchen sink dramas of alienation, but they
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were playing out with the Hollywood sign behind them,
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which is a really special thing that they were doing it in LA
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where at that time, you know, obviously all the cliches and
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the images of, of, of palm trees and swimming pools and stuff.
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But like, LA was so many like a lot like like Las Vegas's like
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so many broken dreams. People that didn't make it,
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people that got addicted, faded old glamour and like glitter on
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the street in the gutter, you know, all that shit is there.
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And I just like think that they're a band that's like
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worthy of like, like like John mentioned the Germs and Darby
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Crashes for sure like one of the Great American poets.
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In my opinion, John and Exene are also like fantastic American
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poets and they're worthy of like taking a really a deep dive and
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A and a careful look at them. I, I guess tough fact to follow
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there, Chris, but I, I, I think what happened here was we were
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kind of trying to line up, you know, hey, what are we doing
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next here with this, this group? And it got thrown out the idea
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of X and you said, yeah, I could do X.
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So it, it feels last minute. But the fact that you were, you
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know, doing your list, probably as Gavin was talking, tells me.
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That this. This isn't like necessarily a
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last minute thing for you. Talk to me about X.
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No, so I remember exactly what happened because it kind of
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leads into what everybody just said.
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So I, when we were doing the Minutemen episode, I was talking
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about our day. I could be your life and how
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when when I got that book, I didn't know that it was based on
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a Minutemen song. And then I what I took away from
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that book from reading it was a lot of inspiration, but also
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like I got to find out about the damn Minutemen, right.
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So you guys are saying basically the same thing about the kind of
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Western civilization right now. Like we, we, these are bands
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that deserve to be canonized and especially, I mean, we, it's
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been said already here about how cool they are.
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I mean, she, she, she's named Christine and then she just
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changed her name to Exene because she's an ex.
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And like that's cool because she pulls it off like she really had
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a freaking germs burn and drew one over it.
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ANYWAYS. Like it, like the, the one of
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the strangest people that was able to pull anything off and
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the, the, the, the music speaks for itself, unlike some of the
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other groups from back then. Like I, I think like the, the
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bands that were in that documentary all speak for
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themselves. You know, like, you know, no
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one's going to put on a fear record and not be able to relate
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to it or like not understand it. No one puts on Black Flag and
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goes, Oh, I don't get why this is popular.
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But like, I don't mean to say that we're going to make X
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accessible to someone that never listened to 70s punk or 80s
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punk, right? But the the songs do speak for
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themselves because we should be canonizing what they were trying
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to say. It wasn't like Darby Crash
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growing up having Scientologists teach him how to talk.
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So he had to learn to communicate in a way that made
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him feel not insane, right? These were, these were
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intelligent people that chose to live as outsiders.
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And like, like you saying that they stood in for the Hollywood
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sign is so poignant, right? Because like we, we're, we're
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standing in front of it, not giving it the finger.
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Just point to it and be like how fucking stupid is this?
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You know what I mean? And I think like the act of
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rebellion in excellence and like, you know, towards the end
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of their career, I've learned from doing this research, they
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basically turned into like Bruce Springsteen, John Mellencamp
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Love. And like, you saw that coming
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from this band, right? But that's what it turned into.
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And then like, they had the controversies in the 2019 and
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then they shut up the controversies by putting a
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record out because the record was just good.
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And like all the controversy about their politics went away
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because they put a good record out.
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Have you ever heard of a band doing that 30 years after they
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formed? Like, I could go on and on,
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honestly. I but it's all been said, Yeah.
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I mean. Well, this is another band.
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I'm glad you referenced our our Minutemen, Minutemen episode
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because like it it listening to this kind of felt the same way.
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Like you can kind of feel the importance of the songs as as
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you're going, you kind of kind of feel the importance of of the
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band. And you know, I was telling John
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this. I'm sure I I kind of spoke at
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about this probably around that same time when when this came
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up. My my only knowledge of this
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band is the song Los Angeles from GTA.
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So like that's all I know about them.
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And when when you do the dive in and you can kind of get, OK,
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they were doing something. I mean, you know, sometimes when
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we when we do these bands, I, I don't get that feeling because
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it's hard to put myself there because, you know, it's 2026
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now. So like, or because I don't
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have, you know, the knowledge of when I like how to frame frame
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listening to it. I just kind of listen to it at
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face value. For some reason.
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I was able to do that with Minutemen and now X where and I
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don't know if that just speaks to the music, it just speaks to
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the message that I was able to be put there and go, OK, I can
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tell that they were doing something then.
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So. Yeah, I, you know, I don't know
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what that is. I mean, you know, it's, it's,
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it's not, I think, I think 1 of you said like I think it was
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probably you Gavin, that they just did it better.
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So it's not like I hadn't heard songs like this before.
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It's not like, it's not like it was breaking new ground for me
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to hear these sounds specifically.
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But it is something about the makeup of the band that that
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that expressed import without, without coming off as self
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import. And maybe we can talk about that
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idea in the after the fact, the idea of self important.
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We'll, we'll come come back to that.
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But so, so talk to me, John. Like we ended up not ended up
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not covering everything like Chris was talking about, like
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the newer records. As a matter of fact, I think
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they just came out with 1-2 years ago, we had to kind of
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trim it down. Talk to me about like where we
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drew the line and then talk to me about what what you looked at
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when you're trying to bring 20 into this, into this
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conversation. Yeah.
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So we just did like the like the classic run of records, right?
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I think goes from 1980 to 1987 or 88 maybe I could be wrong,
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but the I think it's 5 records. The the classic lineup.
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They did a couple of things late later on and like they still
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would tour around, but I don't think they put anything new out
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for a long time in between. And then they came back in the
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in the 20 tens with a record and then just like you said, just
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put out a new one a couple years ago.
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But putting my list together tried again, tried not to
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overthink it. Just what grabs me ended up like
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there's it kind of runs the gamut, right?
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Like like the guys mentioned like these the last couple of
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records get into like really kind of AORQ 2 Tom Petty
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Springsteen area, which you kind of like once you get to that
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point, you're like, oh, OK, there's a shift here.
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But because of who they are, some of that stuff is still
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really good. So I am probably, you know,
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going to lean towards more of the earlier stuff because that's
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what I grew up on. That's what I first like, knew
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about them. But yeah, it wasn't too hard.
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Like I probably had maybe 25 or 26.
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And then it was just a matter of, of going through and
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listening and, and pulling what I, what I really, really wanted.
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But not, not the most difficult. But I think like they, they
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probably had six or seven classics that I had to have on
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there. So Gavin, talk to me about it
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like, is this, was this like a, a difficult one or is this one
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that you kind of had at the ready?
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Oh yeah, this is like the heart the hardest 1 for me for sure.
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It was totally crazy. Like I, I, I still know all, you
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know, I still have all the all, all my friends, most of them
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from back then. And I was like, I had to be
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sending them the list. Like, what am I not seeing here?
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Is this right? And they were like, how could
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you cut that song? And I was like, well, fucking
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and show me which one goes, you know?
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And we were, like, going through it because these songs are all,
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like, your favorite novels, you know, like, they're all stories
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to me. And like, yeah, this was a
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really hard one just because of the personal fucking connection
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I have to these. It feels like I, like, grew up
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with these songs. And so yeah, I definitely
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fucking leaned early. Like John said, I would say that
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I absolutely focused on the relationship songs.
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Like I'm talking about. Like there's a couple songs
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where I feel like you could easily sort of pass them by and
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like, I just want to grab people and go like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
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Like just look at this song. Look at what they're saying, how
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they're the poetry of this song describing this relationship.
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And like, it's just like incredible to me.
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And so I really took that over, like, I don't know, over some of
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the other. They have other concerns that
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they write about, but those are the ones I focused on.
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Yeah. And so Chris, you were doing
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your list pretty much right up until I hit record and probably
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I, I, I wasn't kidding, before we got to you, you were probably
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still finishing up on your list. Is that, is that due to just
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tough decisions or is that more so you know, you were just
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really refining at that point Well?
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I've just gotten in bad habits and then I go out of the 24 and
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I'll figure it out when we hit the button to record.
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I I as far as like doing this list, it wasn't a tough one for
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me because like I, I explored a lot of stuff I'd never listened
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to from them. I, I really only knew the first
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3 records because like I had them on like I kind of alluded
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to earlier, like they were one of the first bands that I went
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got into when I dive backwards in time when I got more into
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punk growing up. And I had like the first 3
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records on an old 350 mega iPod with like the clicky wheel.
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And like I would usually just put full records on.
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And I thought I was like a cool guy that listened to albums on
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digital instead of listening to singles.
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I don't know. But I, I knew them really well
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and I enjoyed listening to the 2 later records we added here, but
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I didn't think much of it was better than what I already knew.
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So making the list wasn't tough. Yeah, I, I want to start right
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there with what you just said, 'cause like, as somebody who
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didn't know this band other than one song, as I'm listening
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through, you know, like I'm, I'm really finding a lot in the in
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the first three, first four, really wild gift under the big
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black sun, more fun. I found stuff that I enjoyed
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there. When I hit Ain't Love Grand, I'm
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completely disconnected and I found stuff from it that I was
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like, OK, I like this, I like this, but it like it felt too
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disjointed from what I was really locking in on from the
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prior records. I mean, they did something right
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because I I don't particularly like the Ain't Love Grand, but
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it got them on American Bandstand and they sure are the
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only band I've ever done to program that was on American.
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Bandstand Yeah. I mean, again, there was,
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there's plenty of songs that I liked.
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It just didn't. It ended up not fitting what I
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was doing with my list. I did.
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I still found something from that record that I brought and
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see how We Are, which is the last record we included.
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I was like, OK, this feels like a little bit more on track, but
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much like you, I ended up not bringing too much from it.
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I'm front heavy and I'm and when I say front heavy like I'm Los
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Angeles heavy, I'm not. I'm not going to front man.
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Part of my process here was lately I've been trying to use
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the Internet to help me make the cuts and I got no help from
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threads, which was surprising because as I mentioned, like I
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felt the import of the band. So I would have thought that
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this would have been a band that that I would have gotten some
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answers about. Nope, I don't think I got but
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maybe 1. So like, my next thing was let
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me let me Google. And I came across an article
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from Maxine herself where she picked a good handful of of
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songs that she found important. And I was like, oh, well, most
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of these are on my list. So those are going to go in from
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my first past. Two of them we didn't include at
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all. So that's why they weren't on my
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first past. But you know, and the rest of it
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I just kind of went off of OK, feeling this is this is what
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feels right. This one feels important.
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This I like this and I try not to overthink the cuts.
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And that's how I got here. So I mean, I don't know, John,
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like 68 songs. It it feels like this could be a
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breeze. What do you think?
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Yeah, I mean, I've been listening to what everybody's
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been saying and it's it's making me a little more optimistic than
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I probably should be. So I'm gonna stick.
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I'm gonna stick pretty long. I'm gonna say 4.
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OK. Four on a four person panel
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seems all right there. Gavin.
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What do you think? Yeah, I feel the same.
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I was like not thinking we were gonna this.
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It's hard with the four person panel and there's enough songs
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here to make it. Plus fuck dude, like I was like
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I could make a great 20 list out out of 20 songs I cut, you know
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what I mean? So it's like one of those bands
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where when you have a really quality band that's consistent
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for a majority of records, it's all a crapshoot thing.
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It's like what you always say just I'm like, well, did you
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take song A or song B? It's like, you know, some of
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that kind of feels like it could happen here.
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So I took four. I'll go 5 all.
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Right, four and five off the board.
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Chris, does this do you? Are you feeling more optimistic
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than the boys? I'm always, I'm always under
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shooting it. I'm noticing I don't feel good
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about taking 6, but I got to change up my strategy because
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I've literally never won. Oh.
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I shouldn't have probably said that.
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Just like Undertaker speaking WrestleMania now, like I, I, I'm
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going to go with six. I think because their entire
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careers off the strength of 1 classic record.
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We are going to, we're going to have more in common than we
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expect. OK.
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So then now the question becomes 456.
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It's one of those seems the likeliest.
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So do I swing for the fences and go way positive or do I undercut
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everybody and take the three that's out there?
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It feels like 3 is too low, right?
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Like it feels like we've got more than three in US.
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I'm going to take three. I don't like it, but it feels
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more likely than 7. Not that seven I.
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Did it to you? Really.
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So all right, I'm going to take the three.
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I don't like it, but it's there, It's available.
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I'll take the three. We're going to take a quick
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pause and when we come back, we're going to play the game.
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Jack, it's to programmed. And with that, the name of the
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game is deprogrammed. The four of us have come through
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most of the X discography and plucked out 20 songs that were
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now going to match together in an attempt to create a top ten
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circuit list for you in case you have never given X the time of
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day. And there's a couple ways I can.
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I can do this. I can put one of Vaccine's songs
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out there. I can go with my heart.
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I'm going to go with my heart here.
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I'm going to go with with the GTA staple.
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It's I feel like it hasn't LED me wrong yet.
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This song comes on GTA5 all the time.
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I have plenty of great memories of driving around and running
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over people in the streets of Los Santos.
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I'm going to go with Los Angeles, the title track.
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I believe you guys be really cool.
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I I can't talk Angelus. I love it.
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It's a classic song. No way you cut it.
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You didn't make the final lift. You'd not be.
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Kidding. Here we.
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Here we go. Oh.
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No way, man. I don't know guys.
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Got it. Call the real police.
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I mean, come. On Yeah, I've got it.
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Yeah, I've. Got it too.
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All right. Man, all right, fine.
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I'll take a three. There I'm a I'm a bit shocked
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that it's a three, but we'll take the three there all right
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and. Do what?
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Everyone was quiet. I knew.
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It all right, Los Angeles. Get the three and John.
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So I want to before I get to my song, I want to talk a little
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bit about the when I got into punk rock in the mid to late
26:19
90s, like X was one of those bands that you heard about, but
26:23
you couldn't find their records, right?
26:25
Like finding an X vinyl record would be vinyl album would be
26:29
insane to find. And like I eventually did get a
26:32
couple of them, but even the CDs like they would there's ACD that
26:36
had Los Angeles and wild gift together that was hard to find.
26:40
So like you couldn't hear this music.
26:42
So the first, like the first exposure I had to, to X songs
26:49
like this, obviously before the Internet were bands that would
26:53
cover their songs. And so a couple of them that I
26:58
really love. I'm gonna, I'm, I'm not gonna
27:02
talk about the second one cause we'll get there.
27:04
But the first one I I really got into, like when I first started
27:09
getting into punk, I started really getting into Lookout
27:11
Records, bands from Berkeley, San Francisco and Gavin, you
27:17
might be familiar, there's a band called Blatz.
27:20
From. From the Bay Area, Incredible
27:23
band. And they put out a split called
27:27
The Shit Split with a band called Filth That's amazing, one
27:30
of the formative punk rock records.
27:33
And Blatz covers the song and they had the male female vocal
27:38
thing going and it's a great cover.
27:41
And when I heard finally, I think I heard this one first
27:44
before I heard the original 'cause I didn't get to see
27:46
decline even. Like you couldn't just go to the
27:49
store and find decline of Western Civilization, right?
27:52
Like I eventually had like I got a, a ripped VHS copy of it in
27:57
like 1999 or 2000. Probably finally got to see it.
28:02
But Blatz covers Nausea and they do an incredible job.
28:07
But I think this is the signature X song.
28:10
So that's that's my big nausea. I got it.
28:14
Yeah, absolutely. Yep.
28:16
All right, there we. Go.
28:17
Nobody's being too cool there. There we go.
28:25
Funnily enough, I think this song might be on GTA as well.
28:29
I'm not sure. If it is, it doesn't come up as
28:33
much. All right, nausea.
28:37
Boom and boom. All right, Gavin.
28:45
Wild GIF's my favorite X record and I took a really weird song
28:55
off Wild Gift. It still sounds weird every time
28:58
I hear it. I took adult books.
29:00
Oh man, no. That was from the first single.
29:06
Yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah.
29:09
That's what he has like the the kind of Doo wop boogie woogie
29:12
guitar, right? I'm trying to.
29:14
Yeah. Yeah, it is that one.
29:15
Yeah. That's a cool one, man.
29:16
I don't have that, but yeah. Baby into the bin.
29:22
Bin right off the bat. Right off the bat, we're not
29:24
allowed to read adult books, Baby, we're up after bedtime.
29:29
Gavin's. Gavin's reputation is, is we're
29:33
coming at it from completely opposite sides.
29:36
Yeah, totally different 20A. Little.
29:39
Croony. Yeah, this one's cool, man.
29:41
Yeah. All right, Chris.
29:45
I, I don't want to talk about Los Angeles again, but I'm gonna
29:47
I, I So one of the things that if you want to know about, like
29:50
the process I did of like Wheeling down songs, I usually
29:54
do things like you've heard me say before, like, oh, I wanted
29:57
to take this, but I chose this one instead.
29:59
There's a lot of that in the Billy Joel episode with nausea.
30:02
I, I kind of considered it sister songs with this song and
30:06
I wanted to choose one of them and eventually just, I had to
30:08
have them both. So I I also took the unheard.
30:10
Music. Oh, Oh yeah, totally.
30:14
I don't. I don't have that.
30:16
Yes. Hey.
30:16
All right. OK, we'll take a three.
30:18
There, I'll take 3. But yeah, to me they were like
30:20
in my brain. They were always sister songs,
30:22
so I was going to take one of them.
30:23
I was like, Nah, do that. It's my list.
30:27
Take them both. John took it and Justin did it.
30:29
Right. Right, OK.
30:32
One of the very few that I do not have from that record.
30:36
So I'm going to go with one of Exene's picks here just to see
30:45
again, because I had it. How about the World is a mess?
30:49
It's in my kiss. Yeah.
30:57
You can come from me, yeah. Oh, OK.
31:00
Great song. Really, really, really, really
31:02
great song. Didn't think that was a 2, but
31:05
we'll take a two and we'll move it along, John.
31:14
Let's go with one of the later ones.
31:16
How about 4th of July? Yeah.
31:22
Dude, I don't get that song. I heard it for the first time.
31:25
Research you miss. I do not.
31:26
Fair enough. Yeah, fair enough.
31:29
I know it's a massive hit. I saw the amount of plays it
31:31
has. I was like, oh, I'm gonna love
31:32
this. Nope.
31:34
Didn't I? Love 4th of July, John.
31:36
I didn't take it just because Dave Alvin wrote it, you know,
31:40
like, so I was trying to find any reason, but like, that's a
31:44
heart song for me, you know, can.
31:45
You guys break down the appeal for me here 'cause it's to me it
31:48
sounds like just like, like Bruce Springsteen worship, but
31:51
not done well. Yeah, I think I was maybe like,
31:54
that was right. You know, it's a sentimental
31:57
song and that's by the time in my life.
32:00
But it feels like you're you're sitting on one of the back
32:04
stairways the way that San Francisco or LA like has these
32:07
back stairways and like smoking cigarettes and your fucking ass
32:11
out with your girl and like, you don't even remember.
32:15
You don't even remember that. It's like the 4th of July until
32:18
like the kids start. Like it's just a cool it it,
32:21
it's a very cool, like imagistic song and like makes a lot of
32:25
sense to me. I'm sure it's going to click for
32:27
me eventually because I as I just like the band so much, but
32:30
I, I was taken aback by having like more than four times the
32:35
amount of plays of any other song on that record, you know?
32:38
Yeah, yeah. Right.
32:40
So that's a A3. Two, I think A-22 OK.
32:47
All right. We take the two and we move it
32:50
on, Gavin. This is one of the songs I was
32:54
talking about that I think is like so brilliant that kind of
32:57
like could be like a skip, like people don't pay attention to it
33:01
or whatever, but it's so fucking brilliant.
33:03
And like like Supernatural I took because I do off under the
33:08
big black sun. Yeah, I got it.
33:12
Nice. No.
33:15
I don't. I'll tell you that was Exene's
33:20
number one pick. Oh, man, it's the.
33:23
Her words are so great in that song.
33:27
I really love that record, too. That was my favorite X record
33:29
for a really long time. That's a fantastic record.
33:34
Which they did, of course, like after her sister died.
33:40
That's a whole other situation. But yeah.
33:42
Yeah. Yeah, this sounds great, man.
33:44
I, I, it stood out to me because it really reminds me of a song
33:48
by chewing on tinfoil. Like the, the intro is very,
33:52
very similar. And I and I did remember being
33:54
like, you know, that was super contemporary to today for 1982.
33:57
So yeah, definitely a good tune. Yeah, and check, check out the
34:00
words. They're like really smart.
34:04
All right, we take a two and we move on, Chris.
34:09
Let's do since I poo pooed this song from see how we are I I
34:13
took it. So Speaking of that record
34:14
alphabet land they put out in 2020, which like again, listen
34:18
to it. It's fucking great.
34:20
One of these tunes was on it. It was actually not even written
34:22
for X. It was written for another band
34:23
that the singer was in Cyril de Berger's back and and the cool
34:29
thing is that on Alphabet Land it is in that like Bruce
34:33
Springsteen style, but it really works.
34:36
So this version is heavier and cool and I never heard it till
34:39
we did this little research here.
34:40
I did this research here. Yeah, I don't have that one.
34:44
I don't have it either. That's a great song though.
34:47
It's a flesh. It's a Flesh Eater song.
34:49
Yeah, yeah, right. And it was written for that
34:51
band, right? Yeah, yeah.
34:53
And I think he wrote it. He may have like a, it may have
34:58
been him and Chris D that wrote it together.
35:01
And it may all be a Christie's, I'm not sure.
35:04
But I have the IT did when the when the when that new record
35:07
came out, which I'm calling a new record, right, that you're
35:10
talking about. They did they they put yeah,
35:13
they put it out as as a 7 inch and and it's really and I got
35:19
it. It's really cool.
35:20
I really like how they redid it. It's great.
35:22
So there's I. Love the new version but this is
35:24
better. Like I I'm fully sold on this
35:26
being the best version of this song that I've heard.
35:28
You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, the Flesh Eaters
35:30
version is really good too. Cool man.
35:33
Yeah, All right, so we're back around me.
35:39
I'll try it out. A wild GIF song.
35:41
How about? How about I'm coming over?
35:45
I got it. No, I love that song.
35:50
No. Hmm.
35:53
All right. We're in like 2 city.
35:57
OK. Yeah.
35:59
All right, John. All right, I'm gonna go with the
36:03
other cover that I heard first, and this one is interesting
36:10
because it's born against, which is a crazy hardcore thrash band
36:17
from from New York City. But they covered this song and
36:21
it's amazing and it's riding with.
36:23
Mary Oh, yeah, no. That's I didn't take it.
36:30
That's crazy. They cover that song.
36:31
That's a fucking deep. I love that song.
36:34
That's the song about her sister dying in the car crash on the
36:39
way to see them play. And and and and Mary, you know,
36:43
actually Mary is on the dashboard of the car that she
36:45
fucking crashes and dies in. She gets to get hit by another
36:50
driver. It was like a motorcycle, right?
36:51
She was. She was riding a motorcycle.
36:54
Is that right? And they and they got hit by the
36:56
car. That was OK?
36:59
OK, Yeah. Could be, yeah, I think I read
37:02
that. And then the if if you get the
37:05
if you get the single or, or from the Richard Gere movie from
37:12
if you get breathless, they did a 7 inch breathless riding with
37:16
Mary's on the B side. But it's a totally it's a
37:18
totally different version of it. It's really cool.
37:21
Well check out the Born Against version because it's insane.
37:24
I am no, this is demented. I I mean, it's great, but I I'm
37:28
so surprised. What a wild song to cover.
37:31
Wow. Yeah.
37:33
Wow. All right.
37:34
Nobody had it. All that for for nothing.
37:36
All that for nothing. It wasn't for nothing dude, that
37:38
was cool. Goes to show you like every one
37:42
of these songs is important, you know, they're all so great.
37:46
All right, Gavin. I took beyond it back off loud
37:51
gift. No, I.
37:55
Don't. I'll save you, I got it.
37:58
Nice. Two city.
38:03
All right, that's another one. No, like a glimpse into the
38:09
relationship. And what did she say about the
38:13
fucking? Now it's 5 to 12.
38:19
Shut up, let's smoke and I'll go somewhere else.
38:22
No more orange nightgown. Just like that.
38:25
Like the images are always so great.
38:28
Yeah, all. Right be on the back nabs at
38:31
2:00 and we move it on Chris. Let's do something off more fun.
38:36
I don't know if we've gotten anything off again.
38:39
I, I always saw this to be kind of like the the, the Clash song
38:45
that wasn't a Clash song. And that's True love Part 2.
38:50
New. No, it's a great song though.
38:53
No. Yeah, really.
38:54
Nobody. Wow.
38:56
That. I mean, I'm not going to do my
38:57
regular song and dance. That surprises the hell out of
38:59
me. Yeah, I love that song.
39:01
It's great, genuinely sounds like it could have been on
39:03
London Calling like or Sandinista.
39:06
Sandinista. Yeah.
39:08
It's like a Sandinista song. Yeah. 100% yeah.
39:10
It's like you, you, you shot for London Calling and landed on
39:12
Sandinista. Right.
39:13
Yeah, yeah. I really like it though, jokes
39:18
aside. All right, I'll go with the
39:25
Under the Big Black Sun song. How about how I learned my
39:30
lesson? No, that's a heavy song.
39:39
Oh wow, this one. I will save you.
39:41
I got it. Hey, all right.
39:43
Cool. I'll take a two there.
39:45
And I think we just cleared NTP, Possible we might need it.
39:53
Did we? I don't think we have yet. 23
40:01
No, you're right. You're right.
40:02
We we still need one more. Yeah.
40:06
All right, John. All right, let's try to to get
40:13
back on the on the bandwagon here.
40:15
How about Johnny hit and run, Pauline?
40:17
Yeah. Oh yeah, of.
40:19
Course. Come on.
40:20
Yeah, there we go. We're all dancing around them.
40:24
Yeah, it's like there's like 5 Los Angeles songs that we
40:27
probably could just rattle off all.
40:30
Right, let me get that queued up.
40:34
I saw the descendants cover that live.
40:37
Wow, when was that? Yeah, at the Wrecking Ball Fest
40:40
in Atlanta in 20/12/2013. And I bet there's any on that.
40:47
Then yeah. All right, Gavin.
40:51
Is sticky with the dead sister since I can't get off of that
40:57
who is you know really important to her and kind of like an
41:00
artistic like Virgil like a guide for her I took that really
41:06
sad waltz that's under on under the big black sun called come
41:09
back to me which I think is just really lovely and heartbreaking
41:13
I. Don't hate to break your heart,
41:16
but no. Yeah, no.
41:19
I can tell you a funny story about that song, but I don't
41:21
have it. When I was learning to write
41:26
music and learning to be in a band, that was the song that
41:30
helped me understand or like, help me ask the question why?
41:34
In the 80s and 70s, there used to be slow songs in the middle
41:37
of records. And I learned about the like,
41:40
inner groove distortion in vinyl.
41:42
That was the song that made me learn that.
41:43
There you go. Oh, that's cool, smart.
41:46
And also it gives you, there's another purpose to it, of
41:49
course, right? It gives you like a breath, you
41:51
know? And it shows like a range when
41:55
you're just like a kid wanting a punk record.
41:58
It changed the way you think about music, you know?
42:03
All right in the bin, unfortunately, but Chris?
42:09
I I've been sticking with this theme and it's making a spin a
42:12
lot of songs, but it's more interesting to talk about.
42:13
I'm going to go with another song that I learned learned in
42:16
this moment. I'm going to just stick with the
42:17
2 records. I didn't know.
42:19
I really didn't like In Love Grand, but I really like Watch
42:23
the Sun Go Down. Oh yeah, I don't have it.
42:27
That's a cool song though. Yeah.
42:30
I don't have. It I didn't have it.
42:32
I, I, it was one of those Suns, like I just, I was like, I want
42:35
to cut it, but like, I just really like it.
42:37
I it's great. Yeah, I liked when you posted
42:40
when you were like, I'm kind of digging this, like weird face
42:43
that they're in. Yeah.
42:44
That was before I got to the last record that was like, oh
42:46
boy, at first, like the, the, the absolutely incredible
42:55
recording quality of Ain't Love Grand.
42:56
Like it really struck me. I'm, I'm like I said, I, I was
43:00
pretty familiar with Alphabet Land because it was during the
43:02
pandemic, so everybody had all the time to listen.
43:05
Like, I mean, it really struck me that I'd never heard X
43:08
recorded by, by like really modern recording technology.
43:12
So listening to that record was like a moment for me in that
43:16
when I texted you guys, yeah. Yeah, that records.
43:19
That's a rough patch for them. You know, they were having a
43:21
really hard time. I think that like Xen was like
43:25
having a lot of mental health issues, Billy Zoom was having a
43:29
lot of issues. They were like kind of breaking
43:32
up at the same time that I think they felt like they were
43:37
supposed to really kind of launch into the mainstream, like
43:40
they were watching contemporaries do right around
43:43
85, John, like when like when you first started to see the
43:47
beginnings of the rise of alternative like bands breaking.
43:51
R.E.M. Yeah, yeah.
43:53
Exactly who who loved X&X loved R.E.M. too but.
43:58
And so that's why it sounds so produced at the at the time when
44:02
they just did not have the fucking songs, you know, they
44:05
just did it. Yeah, that, that's a good way
44:07
to. That's a fine review right
44:08
there. That's like two sons.
44:09
You can review the record. And John Zane had broke up too.
44:14
It's all that drama, too. All right, so we're back around
44:18
to me. I'll try out a more fun track
44:22
here. How about breathless?
44:29
That's those ribs. I didn't take it.
44:31
No. Why am I so In Sync with you
44:35
right now? Dude that's crazy.
44:37
I'll take I. I definitely have Breathless.
44:38
That's a really good song. Take a three or I mean I'll I'll
44:42
take a 2 that's. 2. Yeah, I'll take A2.
44:44
All right. Breathless 2 and John.
44:51
All right, I must not think bad thoughts.
44:53
Yes. I love it.
45:01
I didn't have room for it. Oh man.
45:03
This is just like the minimum episode where I go.
45:06
I know people love it. I really, really don't like that
45:08
song. You heard that?
45:11
You hear the middle part where he's talking about, isn't that
45:16
the that's the song where he names all, they name all the
45:17
punk bands, right, that aren't on the radio.
45:21
But what about the Flesh Eaters, Minutemen, DOA and the Black
45:24
Flag? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
45:25
For the last. Dance to get played on the radio
45:28
my. Thing is, like, it's just like
45:30
the talk singing in it is so obnoxious to me.
45:34
It's like, it's like, it's the songs like that.
45:36
It's like, OK, great, you had one idea and I get it, you're
45:39
going to write hundreds of songs in your lifetime.
45:41
God, that idea is not enough for a fucking song.
45:43
I'm sorry. That's just how I feel.
45:46
It just annoys me. Would you like to hear Exene's
45:48
thoughts on it because it was on her list?
45:50
I would like. To hear them.
45:53
Yes. All right, So that's exactly
45:54
what the song is like. It's like the world is a mess.
45:56
It's in my kiss. But it's more about the bigger
45:58
picture, the civil wars and the uncivilized wars.
46:01
There's nothing on this planet more uncivilized than a civil
46:03
war, is there? A civil war is the worst war you
46:06
can possibly have. All wars are bankers wars, as
46:09
they say, run by the people in power.
46:11
There are no real wars. There are only proxy wars and
46:14
bankers wars. We all know this is true, right?
46:16
Especially now, but when you think of a civil war where
46:18
people are rising up brother against brother, that's just the
46:21
worst. OK, When I wrote that, man,
46:23
there's more. When I wrote that song, I, I
46:26
should have edited this ahead of time when I wrote that song.
46:29
There's a lot of going on in Central America with the
46:31
Nicaraguan revolution, in the civil war in El Salvador, where
46:34
the US was funding one side and the communists on the other side
46:36
were the good guys. And if you're backing sides,
46:39
it's kind of a hard choice to make to support the communists
46:41
because oh gosh, that's got its own problems.
46:44
As I wrote about the Middle East with everything going on between
46:46
Palestine and Israel, which is ridiculously still going on 40
46:50
years later in a more horrible way now more than ever.
46:52
So war is is the centralized theme there so.
46:59
Yeah, and she she named the big boys too.
47:01
I should say I forgot to mention texted big boys.
47:05
Yeah, go start your own bands all.
47:08
Right, so I must not think bad thoughts gets a 2 and we move on
47:12
Gavin. I took drunk in my past off more
47:18
fun in the new world just because I love.
47:22
No. I love it.
47:23
It's such a cool, like it's a good alcoholic song, you know?
47:26
It's just got to got to be there for me.
47:29
I don't have it either, but I will say that it was the last
47:31
song that played while I was driving home from work.
47:33
What was on when I turned the? Car off in the bin and Chris.
47:41
Let's do one that we probably all have.
47:43
Let's do an easy one. Sex and dying in high society.
47:46
Yeah. Yes.
47:51
Of course, of course, I appreciate that you like went
47:56
into this like I just want to talk more about Annex.
48:01
I really do. That's not even it sounds
48:03
sarcastic, but I really appreciate it, Gavin.
48:05
Total LA song though, you know. Great snapshot of like, I'm like
48:10
being down and out and being a rat in paradise, you know?
48:15
We got plenty to talk about in the next round between the twos
48:18
and the threes, so. Yeah, damn, the one time I vote
48:23
up and go 6. All right, we're back around to
48:29
me. I'll do a wild gift track.
48:35
How about the once over twice? Hell.
48:38
Hell fucking yes, love that song.
48:42
No. All right, that's.
48:47
Like some of her best, like lyrical turns.
48:49
I feel like they're like so smart how they write that song.
48:52
It's like so crazy, I mean. Dude, think it was 1981 and she
48:56
was saying this on the first freaking track on the record and
48:59
like you want to talk about doing the talk singing right?
49:01
She does the talk singing right in that.
49:02
Song hell yeah like that song is.
49:05
Perfect. It's a perfect song.
49:06
Yeah, I agree. All right, it gets a three,
49:11
which means it gets to hang out and we'll come back to that John
49:15
all. Right, the new world.
49:23
Yes. Oh, OK, I got to be the odd man
49:27
out. Sorry, no.
49:29
Generally, every time that song comes on, I'm like, wow, this is
49:31
a great song. Yeah, so good.
49:34
It's so fun. Probably.
49:36
A good band. That guitar, that guitar is so
49:39
great and and like if you guys ever saw them, you know, Billy
49:42
Zoom, of course, is famous for like each stand there and go Dan
49:46
and and play that that lick like, you know, with his legs
49:50
spread, silver leather jacket, his hair quaffed, perfect
49:55
fucking guitar pick stuck in the middle of his forehead, grinning
49:59
like a maniacal like Cheshire cat, just staring at everybody
50:03
in the front row with this grin on his face like he totally
50:07
psycho. He was just fucking so
50:09
fantastic. You know the.
50:11
Other cool thing about that riff in general, it's a really simple
50:14
riff, right? But like I really like that
50:15
whole song and I don't like any too music nerdy, but that whole
50:18
song is like really, really pushing the beat.
50:20
Like it's like 8th notes in the rhythm guitar and the drums are
50:23
4 on the floor with 8th notes in the high hat.
50:25
And then he's just jazzy and behind the beat with the lead.
50:29
And that's what makes it sound so cool, right?
50:31
Because it's like the league guitars, like I don't give a
50:33
shit, baby, I'm going to go mile and speed.
50:35
It's it's so sick, so sick. And like the song itself is
50:38
sick. Like just talking about how
50:40
like, Oh, we were promised is going to be better when so and
50:42
so is in charge. Like everything about it, like
50:45
it's the same story with every X song.
50:46
Like it's so good. For the record, I, I'm, I'm
50:50
pretty sure I had that on my first pass, just just didn't
50:53
make the second one. All right, Gavin.
50:58
I took hothouse off. More fun in the new world.
51:02
No, no. Yeah, I can't help.
51:08
You that Gavin man? Listen.
51:12
Just in the bin today, man. Yeah.
51:18
All right, Chris. Oh no, it's me.
51:22
How about I? I didn't prep one.
51:24
I was going to do. I was going to do the new world
51:26
and you you. That's why I went yes.
51:27
When you said it. I will take a song that I was
51:31
shocked when I was looking at them that it wasn't more popular
51:35
because I've always really, really loved this song.
51:36
Devil Dull. No.
51:44
No, I got it. I got it.
51:46
Cool, man, Right on. I, I, I was actually, that was
51:48
one of my biggest surprises, like diving back into X4 this
51:52
that that wasn't a canonized song because I always consider
51:55
that one of my favorite X songs. Yeah, if you watch The Unheard
51:59
Music, the documentary, you can see them writing that song in
52:02
their little apartment in Hollywood.
52:04
Oh, it's. So sick because that riff is
52:07
like could scare bears away. It's awesome.
52:08
Yeah, yeah. They they toured with Pearl Jam
52:14
in 2011 and 2012 I think, and the the version of Devil Doll,
52:20
the singer of Pearl Jam would come out and sing that with X
52:23
during their opening set and it ended up on one of their fan
52:26
club singles. Oh, wow, crazy.
52:28
I'm not out of my mind. All right, That's that's nice to
52:30
know. Yeah.
52:31
Also for the record, I'm pretty sure that was like one of my
52:33
last few cuts. So it was, it was on my radar.
52:36
It just didn't make my list. Genuinely like gobsmacked when I
52:40
saw that it wasn't in the top songs on that record.
52:44
All right, I'll go to Under the Big Black Sun.
52:51
How about motel room in my bed? Yes.
52:55
Hey. Nice.
52:57
I don't. I do.
53:00
Hey, hi. That's the other one that I was
53:03
talking about. That's like like like the one
53:06
that I was going to be bummed about.
53:08
Like it's just such a crazy relationship.
53:11
Poetry. Amazing look.
53:14
True bohemian look at like a relationship.
53:17
That song is really brilliant. All right, we'll take a three
53:21
there and John. All right, let's try to hit on
53:31
another one. I'm, I'm gonna pull out the the
53:33
ones that you guys keep avoiding.
53:34
How about we're desperate? Yeah, I got it.
53:38
You have it. Yes, uh.
53:41
Oh. Yeah, I got.
53:44
That song, that song is so canonized, it has to be there.
53:46
Yeah, that's the one. I thought, Chris, when you said
53:51
that Nausea had a sister song, I thought you were going to say
53:53
were. Desperate.
53:55
But now they played. They played them back-to-back,
53:56
right all the time. Yeah, yeah, but but I understand
54:00
the unheard music. It's it's almost like
54:01
rhythmically a sister song. Yeah, it was more, it was more
54:04
like if I'm showing someone X, do I need to show them both?
54:07
It wasn't necessarily like they're not valid next to each.
54:09
Other. You know what I mean?
54:10
It's. Really just the game.
54:11
I'm thinking about the program that's that's.
54:14
Yeah. All right, just like that.
54:17
We're the the the weight is on me now we're at my 3.
54:25
All right, Gavin. I think we're going to get 4 on
54:32
this one. I took the hungry wolf up under
54:36
the big black sun. No, no.
54:40
Absolutely. Yes, yes, 1000 times.
54:44
Yes, really, just two. That song tears the fucking roof
54:49
off when you see them play it. Dude, you want to talk about you
54:52
want to talk about like those big drums in the beginning, man,
54:55
I I would imagine that people go absolutely ape shit with those
54:59
fucking. Drums totally crazy and John's
55:01
bass is like so great and then he draws it out in the middle
55:04
when they do that break and like people just fucking lose their
55:07
shit. So great.
55:10
Let me take a two there. Also sick harmonies out of the
55:12
two of them with like sometimes they only sing octaves and then
55:15
like it's the point. I know that it's supposed to
55:17
sound droning, but like they sing actual harmonies in that
55:19
song and it's a nice change. Oh, and the coolest like and
55:21
just being young and cool and with your girl, like you're and
55:24
you're just in the city walking down the street and like the
55:27
words are just so great too. And like, be young and hungry,
55:30
you know? All right, Chris.
55:37
Let's do my last under the big Black Sun track so that
55:41
everybody can know they're going to get not a four.
55:44
I have the have nots. No.
55:49
No. I Whoa, I have not.
55:52
What's happening to me today? I knew a girl with a tattoo A
55:55
have not tattoo. Really.
55:58
Damn dude, that that I don't think I'm swinging big.
56:01
Here. That's the one where they name
56:06
all the bars, right? Yeah.
56:07
Yeah, I just really like it. I I really like the bass intro
56:13
and I and I think it is a really cool end of the record.
56:15
I mean, it's also just the song they played the most from this
56:17
record. I went back through like their
56:19
their touring history. Oh, cool.
56:22
Yeah. Interesting.
56:26
All right, I. Think you just I think you just
56:27
don't need oh, sorry, I didn't make playoff.
56:29
Just I think it's where those it just fits.
56:30
It fit with any set list probably 'cause it's kind of,
56:33
it's kind of like a it's, it's an X song that's just a little
56:37
bit slower. It's not, there's nothing, not a
56:38
big swing to. It's just an X song, you know?
56:40
Yeah. I'm winding down here.
56:43
I think we got one more round in US before dumping out.
56:47
I think. Yeah, 'cause that would put me
56:49
at 5:00 depending on if I hit either any of you guys on any of
56:53
these. So which one do I do is the
57:00
question. I'll go to more fun.
57:03
How about poor girl? Yes, I just.
57:08
Feel like I have that. What did I do with the last
57:12
year? I don't.
57:12
I guess I cut that. I had it.
57:14
I had it when we were doing our intros.
57:18
Well, it's three because I've got it too.
57:20
Oh that's so cool. I love that song so much.
57:23
I'm so glad you guys have that. So good.
57:26
I think it's literally the only answer I got on threads.
57:30
Oh, really? Yeah.
57:31
Wow, that's wild. That's a deep cut, Yeah.
57:34
I I also had it. I had it until 20 minutes.
57:36
Ago So yeah, that song is so cool, all right?
57:41
We take a three there, John. How about real child of hell?
57:53
No. That one, that one did stand out
57:55
to me when I was doing this. Listen, man.
57:56
But I didn't take it, OK? It's a cool song.
58:00
No, that's the one that they're writing in the unheard music.
58:03
Like I was it OK. Paul, they're writing real child
58:06
of hell. Sorry.
58:07
Yeah, that's. All good, yeah.
58:09
I can't save you there. That's a 1.
58:12
Into the bin it goes. All right, Gavin.
58:16
I took in this house that I call home off wild gift.
58:20
No. No.
58:26
Yep. All right, Chris.
58:33
Let's do something that I don't normally do.
58:36
I did take a popular song I don't like because I think it
58:39
should be brought up. I took white girl, yes.
58:43
I don't have that one. Nope, that's an.
58:46
Amazing song. I'm.
58:48
Actually not the biggest fan of it, but I felt like it deserved
58:50
to be on here. That was that was my take.
58:53
Yeah, the words are so great and like, it's such a weird vibe,
58:57
that song. That's a really interesting song
59:00
to me. Like the?
59:00
It is, it is. And like it, it's popularity
59:04
aside, right, That we can ignore the popularity.
59:06
I I think to your point, it is something to show people when
59:10
they're getting to this band, you know?
59:11
Yeah. Yeah.
59:14
All right. So that means we're back to me,
59:16
right? Yeah.
59:18
All right, so I'll start at my top here.
59:23
How about your phone's off the hook, but you're not?
59:26
Yeah, that's four. Yeah, as I.
59:30
Say that was the last four. I thought we had left.
59:32
Yeah. Take that pressure off of me.
59:34
Appreciate that. All right, let's get that cued
59:39
real quick and we'll move on. Although we.
59:46
Were all like, yeah, there's not much we need to say about that
59:48
song. It's just incredible.
59:50
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's awesome you can give you.
59:54
Give you a take on your phone's off the hook, yeah?
59:58
First song, first record. Yeah, I think that's one of the
1:00:01
ones. They perform in the decline too.
1:00:03
If I'm, if I'm. Remembering.
1:00:04
Yeah, right. I just saw the set list on there
1:00:07
actually. I'll pull it up while you guys
1:00:08
talk all. Right, moving on, how about Soul
1:00:12
Kitchen? No, dude.
1:00:18
Doors cover. No, it's doors cover, but it's
1:00:20
so good like. I didn't know that.
1:00:24
I did cut that one at the beginning of this talk though.
1:00:26
That was one of the ones I caught.
1:00:28
Yeah, great. And I mean, of course, I mean
1:00:30
just to mention that Ray Manzarek, like, produced that
1:00:34
record from the Doors. The doors X connection is really
1:00:38
weird. Yeah, that means he produced.
1:00:41
The first time LA, you know. It's LA, you know.
1:00:43
Yeah. Didn't he produce all three of
1:00:46
the first records then? I think he did, yeah.
1:00:48
I think you're right. Because I think one of the
1:00:50
things I read about How Good Ain't Love Grand Sounds is it
1:00:54
was the first record with the new producer.
1:00:59
Yeah, that made sense that. One.
1:01:03
I forgot to mark that one off. No wonder I had seven.
1:01:05
I see what I've done here. They didn't play that on the on
1:01:09
the the client of Western Civilization, by the way.
1:01:11
OK. It looks like it's all the 1st 2
1:01:14
records and the setlist is kinda cool.
1:01:17
We'll wait till the end to talk about it, but we are hitting on
1:01:19
some of them. All right, How about it's who
1:01:23
you know? No.
1:01:25
Nope. Yes.
1:01:28
Hey, all right. Like we needed another 2.
1:01:33
Yeah, I know, right? Just for my own sanity, I guess.
1:01:37
Holy. I ruined everything.
1:01:39
Hold on. I'm sorry.
1:01:39
I do have Soul Kitchen. I lied to you.
1:01:41
That is my last song. I'm out.
1:01:43
Oh, all right. I'm so sorry.
1:01:45
I read it wrong. Is that a 2?
1:01:48
Yeah, that was a 2 now. OK, doesn't go on the bin.
1:01:50
Sorry, sorry to go back. Yeah, no worries.
1:01:52
I know Chris doesn't. I doubly know Chris doesn't have
1:01:55
this one now under the big black sun.
1:01:58
The title track. No, it's a great song.
1:02:01
Good choice, but no. Yeah.
1:02:03
Yes, I have it. Hey, all right, And last but not
1:02:08
least, this is likely likely my binner.
1:02:12
It's song 20 of 20. It's my song, my one song off
1:02:16
Ain't love grand. How about Supercharged?
1:02:20
No. No.
1:02:22
I went 19 of 20 and it was literally my last one.
1:02:25
Nice, get the fuck out of here. This might have been been my
1:02:31
best played game ever and I blew #20 on that song.
1:02:36
That's incredible work out of you man for never listened to
1:02:38
them before that's really good. All right, boom.
1:02:41
And I didn't get much help from the Internet.
1:02:42
That's the crazy part, I. You had help from Maxine, so
1:02:47
that I did. Right from the right, from the
1:02:50
lady's mouth, Huh? You got no help from me for
1:02:52
sure. All right, so that means John's
1:02:58
4 is going to hold on, but we can make this conversation a
1:03:02
little bit harder here. What do you got left, John?
1:03:07
I've only got 1 left in the time it takes.
1:03:11
No. Which record is that?
1:03:13
It's. On let's see how we are.
1:03:17
It's on I I did. I did.
1:03:23
I like see how we are. I like it better.
1:03:25
Than yeah, it's a good record. I think that they turned it
1:03:27
around and did something that was cool.
1:03:30
I didn't dislike it like I like I ended up I ended up disliking
1:03:34
Amber Grand in the end because I just think it wasn't like solid
1:03:37
enough. I didn't dislike See How We Are
1:03:39
and I I contemplated the title track like it was one of the
1:03:42
ones that like wasn't one of my last cuts, but I contemplated it
1:03:44
as well. Yeah.
1:03:47
All right, I, I feel bad here, Gavin.
1:03:49
I hope there isn't much left at this point, but.
1:03:53
It's I only have one song. All right.
1:03:56
I had a song called some other Time off Wild Gift that I love
1:03:59
so much. All right, boom and boom.
1:04:03
All right, let's shift this up. Read down what we got.
1:04:10
All right, so the four that are already in nausea, Johnny hit
1:04:14
and run. Pauline, we're desperate and
1:04:16
your phone's off the hook, but you're not all right, so let's
1:04:20
look at these threes first. 123-4567 You got to.
1:04:26
Argue we're putting Los Angeles. Which means we could, we could,
1:04:31
we could cut two of these and then give John his final say and
1:04:35
call it a day. We've got Los Angeles, the
1:04:39
unheard music, sex and dying in high society, the once over
1:04:42
twice, the New World motel room, in my bed, and poor girl.
1:04:48
It's a good list already. I know, right?
1:04:51
We'll start with you. Is there one that you feel like
1:04:55
we can't go any further without taking?
1:04:59
Well, considering we have the the four we have so far, all
1:05:04
early songs, I think the New World shows a different side of
1:05:09
them. I think that would be cool to
1:05:10
have on there. All right, I was the odd man out
1:05:12
there and I'm pretty. I know it was on my first pass.
1:05:16
I'm not sure how late it was, but unless somebody objects, we
1:05:21
will go with the new world as our number 5.
1:05:25
Great all. Right.
1:05:26
Same question to you, Gavin. Is there one where you feel like
1:05:29
we can't go any further without taking it?
1:05:32
There's a couple, but I mean, I'll start with motel room in my
1:05:35
bed. That's a.
1:05:36
That's a must have all. Right, Chris, you're the odd man
1:05:40
out there. Yeah.
1:05:44
Any any resistance against that or?
1:05:49
No, no, no, it's totally fine. I I'm not laughing because of
1:05:51
that. All right, grab that as number
1:05:54
six and then the same question will go to you.
1:05:56
Chris, is there one where you feel like we can't go any
1:05:59
further without this song? I feel insane that I'm going to
1:06:02
stump for Los Angeles, but I I'm going to go.
1:06:05
I'm going to go with the little known, little known ditty.
1:06:09
It's a title track of of their of their debut Los Angeles.
1:06:15
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got you guys.
1:06:18
That's no brainer. It's fine it.
1:06:20
Was the same thing to leave off. We were never going to cut it.
1:06:23
Yeah. Yeah, right.
1:06:25
Yeah. As we don't vote, you know.
1:06:28
So that gives. That brings us up to what, 7?
1:06:32
Yeah. 7. Can you read it down?
1:06:34
All right, Sure. Nausea, Johnny Hit and run.
1:06:38
Pauline, we're desperate. Your phone's off the hook, but
1:06:40
you're not the New World motel room in my bed and Los Angeles.
1:06:46
All right, so now the question becomes are the last two from
1:06:50
these fours the unheard music, sex and dying in high society?
1:06:52
The once over twice or poor girl?
1:06:55
Wait, nausea didn't make it? Yeah.
1:06:58
No, it is. Oh, OK, OK.
1:07:00
Yeah, we're we're getting song 8 and 9 here.
1:07:04
Yeah, I'd say stay on the threes.
1:07:06
OK, yeah, I think once over twice would be the next one I
1:07:09
would fight. For yeah, yeah, hell yeah.
1:07:12
All right, John, you were the odd man out there.
1:07:14
Any anything against? All right.
1:07:17
I'm good with it. Boom boom.
1:07:20
And then that brings us to song #9 is it one of these threes?
1:07:28
I mean, that's unheard. Music, right?
1:07:30
Yeah. The unheard music, sex and dine
1:07:33
high society poor girl oh. I think sex and Dine's got to be
1:07:39
That's a tough call for me. I don't if I had to pick between
1:07:42
those two, I couldn't. So I'm I'm out of this combo.
1:07:44
I think do. You have a front runner there,
1:07:49
Gavin, because John's got final say so.
1:07:53
I take poor girl or unheard music, either one.
1:07:58
I'm not a huge fan of sex and dying.
1:08:01
Hobby. That's enough for me then to
1:08:03
make a point. I think poor girl gives us a
1:08:07
little more variety if we care about that.
1:08:09
Yeah, OK. I think both songs are, I mean,
1:08:14
unheard. I just love unheard music.
1:08:16
Me too, but I but I did make the point that I think with it, you
1:08:20
don't learn something new about this band if you've already got
1:08:22
nausea. So even though I am the odd
1:08:24
person out with poor girl, I would stump for that.
1:08:27
OK, what's the deal then? Grab poor girl is number 9.
1:08:32
That's a cool song to put in the list.
1:08:34
That's a like, that's a a sleeper, you know?
1:08:37
Yeah. Well, nice to have it there
1:08:39
then. All right, let me make sure my
1:08:41
math is correct. Yes 9 I'll run it down and then
1:08:44
John, it'll be your final say. Nausea.
1:08:46
Johnny hit and run Pauline were desperate.
1:08:48
Your phone's off the hook, but you're not in the New World
1:08:50
motel room in my bed. Los Angeles, the once over twice
1:08:53
and poor girl. Well, I'm going to make Justin
1:08:58
very upset and I'm going to go pull one out of the trash.
1:09:02
It's riding. Riding with Mary is the 10th.
1:09:04
Nice. Boom, boom and boom.
1:09:11
All right, there we go. Let me mark that as final say.
1:09:15
It's one of the things that you guys listening, if you ever come
1:09:20
and play, it's one of the perks of winning is you get to do that
1:09:24
and there's only but so much pushback you'll get.
1:09:28
All right, let's run this down one last go and then crank up
1:09:32
the heat. So we've got nausea.
1:09:33
Johnny Hinton. Run, Pauline.
1:09:34
We're desperate. Your phone's off the hook, but
1:09:36
you're not. The New World motel room in my
1:09:38
bed. Los Angeles.
1:09:39
The once over twice. Poor girl riding with Mary When
1:09:42
I run down those 10 songs, John, which one do you think is the
1:09:47
one? Nausea.
1:09:50
Any disagreements, Gavin? Well, yeah, I think that Like
1:10:03
Nausea's a cool pick. Looking at this list, I think
1:10:09
that the that you could you could argue for Johnny had run
1:10:12
Pauline. I think you could.
1:10:15
These are not my favorite X songs.
1:10:17
These are the songs that I think would be like the the pick in
1:10:20
this instance, right? Johnny had run Pauline.
1:10:24
I think you could pick. We're desperate and I think you
1:10:29
could pick Los Angeles. We're we're desperate.
1:10:33
Was going to be my #2. Yeah, I, I.
1:10:36
Would have said we're desperate it wasn't if it was on Los
1:10:39
Angeles. But I have a problem with the
1:10:41
first song not being a Los Angeles song.
1:10:42
I really do. Yeah, I'm fine.
1:10:50
I love all these songs. I'm.
1:10:52
I'm. I'm not, you know, I'm.
1:10:53
Fine, yeah, I'm not. I'm not saying quality wise, I'm
1:10:55
just saying like if genuinely someone was to walk to this band
1:10:59
and be like, I would like to hear X for the first time, Yeah
1:11:01
God, the first song has to be from that record in my opinion.
1:11:05
Like I I'm just looking at it that way, you know what I mean?
1:11:07
Right, right, right. So then it's between nausea and
1:11:11
Jonny hit and run Pauline. Because falling off the hook is
1:11:16
already a song 1. Is that what your logic?
1:11:18
Is, oh, we can do your phones off the hook.
1:11:19
That's a that would be a funny pick.
1:11:21
I mean. It's got the riff.
1:11:24
The riff to me screams X like the the the main riff from that
1:11:27
song. And like, as much as Nausea is
1:11:30
probably my favorite X song, it doesn't give you the blueprint
1:11:35
for X in my opinion. OK, I think it does.
1:11:39
Fair enough. I I can't argue I I can't argue
1:11:42
like with the same point. Opposite, right?
1:11:44
But I mean it. Ultimately, I would not be upset
1:11:47
if Nausea was the first song. I, I think at this point it is
1:11:52
worth pointing out, if you've gotten this far into the
1:11:54
conversation and you've liked any of the music that you've
1:11:58
heard, just go listen to Los Angeles.
1:12:00
I mean, like before we make our decision here, I do I agree.
1:12:06
I agree with Chris's point that it probably should be something
1:12:09
off of that record, especially as much I I took eight of the
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eight of the 10 tracks available.
1:12:15
I mean, so I think. Anybody that was being fully
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honest, probably. Would and it.
1:12:20
If I had known the one was a cover, I might have swapped it
1:12:25
for what was the One. I was the odd man out on unheard
1:12:33
music. Yeah.
1:12:35
So like, that would have ended up going in instead of, you
1:12:39
know, the, the cover getting a 2.
1:12:41
But yeah, I, I, I kind of talked myself into circles.
1:12:48
I, I think it should, should probably be one of the ones that
1:12:51
were unanimous. I mean, we're talking to the
1:12:53
guys who are ultimately going to do the best of probably anyway,
1:12:57
like 9899% chance. So I mean, you know, if you have
1:13:04
one song to sell somebody on this band, it really could be
1:13:09
any of those 3 Nausea, Johnny Hinton Run or your phone's off
1:13:13
the hook. Are we at?
1:13:16
You're like, go ahead, Justin. I was just going to say, are we
1:13:19
at a standstill? What were you going to say,
1:13:21
Gavin? John, you're like, that's the
1:13:23
song. It's nausea.
1:13:25
Yeah, for sure. Let's.
1:13:28
Do that. It's the one that gets stuck in
1:13:29
my head more than any other one. Yeah.
1:13:33
I mean, it's, it's it, it's so good.
1:13:36
I, it's like my, my point still stands.
1:13:38
But if like if I'm outvoted, I'm outvoted.
1:13:40
I, I just don't think it says here's the blueprint of X, but I
1:13:43
do think it's my favorite song by them.
1:13:45
So it's really hard for me to, you know what I mean?
1:13:48
Yeah, I mean, but that's valid too.
1:13:50
It's hard to delineate, but also.
1:13:54
You know, look at Wild Thing. There we go.
1:13:58
Let's just walk in nausea instead of talking ourselves
1:14:01
into circles. Talking out of.
1:14:03
Harmony. Let me get this queued up.
1:14:08
I'll run down this list one as go, and we'll wrap her on up.
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Nausea's our #1 Johnny Hinton Run.
1:14:15
Pauline, we're desperate. Your phone's off the hook, but
1:14:18
you're not. The New World motel room in my
1:14:20
bed. Los Angeles.
1:14:22
The once over twice. Poor girl in Riding with Mary
1:14:25
Run rounds out of 10. I can speak, I swear with that,
1:14:30
let's let nausea get a moment in the sun.
1:14:40
There we go. We have done it.
1:14:44
We have turned you on to X. And surprisingly, this may have,
1:14:48
we may have actually had to do that for people based on based
1:14:53
on the response I got, we may have had to do this.
1:14:56
So I'm glad that we did. We turned you on to X.
1:14:58
You're very welcome for that. Listen to that list.
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1:15:07
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