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"Scary Movie Takeover" Ep. 126 10/29/26 · Cigars and Cinema Podcast

• 0:02
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome back to another episode of Cigars and Cinema.
• 0:05
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• 0:32
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• 0:43
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• 0:56
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• 1:12
  SPEAKER_01: Hello everybody.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome back to another episode of Cigars and Cinema Podcast.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_01: For those of you joining us, maybe for the first time, uh, I am Eric Dresen with OGT Cigars coming to you from the north from North Carolina on the East Coast.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_01: And on the opposite side of the country, we have my co-host, Curtis Bailey.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_01: Curtis, good to be back on another week.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, man.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm looking forward to this.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_00: I really liked the last time we did a uh a movie genre discussion because you can get into so many different avenues.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm hyped.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so so for those of you guys who have been like kind of following us, uh, we have been going through, of course, being October, it is Halloween season.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_01: We've been talking a lot about specific Halloween horror films, and now we're gonna kind of give an overview.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_01: But I definitely want to invite you as I see comments coming down.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, as always, the show is so much more engaging when you do just that, engage in the show.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_01: So drop down those comments.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_01: I will do my best to pull them up.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you have your own opinions about what we're talking about, what we're smoking tonight, we want to know them.
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  SPEAKER_01: So put those comments down and I will pull those up.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I would I would also say that if there's uh any movies that come to mind that Eric and I aren't talking about, like, hey, what's your take on this?
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_00: Or have you seen this?
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_00: Uh throw those down there too.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because I would say to Curtis's point, as much as we love movies, I wouldn't say for me personally, this is a genre I normally lean into that much.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, I I I agree with you.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I I would never list this as the as like my favorite, even though I think there's some fantastic films in this genre.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_00: I don't consider myself a horror guy.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, exactly.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I feel like it's funny because we have sort of like either spouses or family members that definitely enjoy that genre.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_01: So you kind of like feel that this time of year.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, all right, yeah, yeah, we'll watch this.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_01: So that's been the exposure.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: So on tonight so far, we got one on.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for joining us.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, we got Jason on.
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  SPEAKER_01: Welcome, foolish mortals.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for jumping on.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh Jason, uh Lady Driven.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_01: Good evening, cigar loving friends.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_01: We're smoking Foundation Tenure Anniversario.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_01: Ooh, that is a good cigar.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_01: Solid.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_01: Super solid.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so every every month uh we release a new sampler pack known as the OGT Variety Club.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_01: If you guys are curious about that, check us out on social media so you can get in on it because we not only curate one of uh like some of the best highlights of that month, but also you get to enjoy those cigars with us on this show every Tuesday night.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_01: So we are embarking on the newest variety pack that was sent out.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_01: This is the lineup.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_01: We got stuff from Lure Cigars, Black Works Studio, Elmago, our exclusive sweet venom Cameroon Lancero that has a year of age on it.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_01: And then we're gonna be smoking on the far left there.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_01: You'll see that sort of stout cigar with a knife.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_01: That is the Ezra Zion Saturday Knife Fever.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, this is a Colorado wrapper, very unique cigar.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_01: Unfortunately, it is sold out.
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  SPEAKER_01: So if you're a variety member, uh you're able to enjoy this.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_01: Ezra Zion is an interesting cigar company.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_01: And I know, Curtis, you've tried some of their stuff before.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_01: Um they yeah, they do they do micro batches, so like very, very limited drops.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_01: Um, some of them really impress me.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, this one in particular is going to be interesting.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_01: I want to see what we all think about it.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_01: So, as I said, sold out.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_01: It is a soft box press sporting a Colorado wrapper.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_01: The binder and filler is unknown.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_01: It was released uh in this uh particular format, which I believe is five and three-quarter by fifty-four softbox press.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_00: So uh if I understand you correctly, what you're saying there is that there's no such thing as like a a Coraline cigar from them, like one that they always make.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_00: They're just always doing it.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_01: They kind of have like unspoken ones, like so.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_01: Like if you like do your research and such, you can kind of find them.
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_01: There's like one or two, but not really.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's definitely not the uh average, it's not their main mode, right?
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_00: Basically, it's actually kind of an interesting approach because um, you know, one of the things that's tricky about this, or you know, similar things like wine or whiskey, where you're relying on an organic product to produce consistency, and that organic product can change.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_00: You can have bad crops, you can have all this kind of stuff.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_00: So that's kind of cool that they're just like, hey, we're just gonna use what we have and do interesting stuff with it.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_00: That's cool.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and they've they've definitely fine-tuned their game.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, they've been at it for many, many years.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_01: I think the first time I ever heard of Ezra Zion was in 2020, I think.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, um, and they had been going for a while since then.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_01: So it's kind of like I think really jumping in on the the like limited edition train.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_01: But like I said, once in a while, some of their cigars are just impressive to me.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_01: Very impressive.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_01: So we'll see if tonight's is impressive.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_01: Uh let's start off with a cold draw.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_01: For those of you guys that do not cold draw, you're missing out.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_01: Just give the cigar a cut and sort of a dry puff, see if there's any flavor initially.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_01: Jason says, I was looking forward to this cigar.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_01: Well, right on.
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_01: We shall see.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_01: Good open draw.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, this one's giving me a pretty typical like light raisin sort of note.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna treat it out.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_01: Light raisin and alfalfa.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_01: And honestly, I don't know about you.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_01: I I say it oh, probably almost every week.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, yeah, okay, the draw is open, the draw is like good open draw.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_01: That is honestly the first thing I check for.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_01: Um and here's actually a personal preference question for you.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_01: A would you rather?
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_01: Would you rather deal with a cigar that is really tight draw or a cigar that it constantly has to be relit if you had to deal with either one?
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_00: Uh gosh, I don't know.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_00: This is like the cigar smoker's nightmare, but yeah, there's there's there's drawbacks to both.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um the ones that constantly have to be relitable.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_00: I I think that it's that's probably a little bit more um well, it depends on how quickly you go.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_00: There are some times I've smoked one where it won't even stay lit between two consecutive puffs.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_00: But if it's one of those things where it like goes out three or four times over the course of an hour, hour and a half, like I can roll with that.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_00: That's fine.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_01: I I'm I'm the same.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_01: I'm the same.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I I I feel like you if you finesse it, you can still make it work, but if it's a tight draw, it's just like I just nothing you can do about it.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_00: I agree.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so we're gonna get this lit.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_01: We'll get back to comments here in a second, and we'll see first impressions.
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_01: Every cigar leaves an impression.
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  SPEAKER_00: However, it's not until you take a moment and analyze the full experience from construction to flavor to profile that you can truly appreciate it.
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  SPEAKER_01: So enjoy your cigar as you light it up.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_01: Take the time to toast it, smell the room notes, and experience the first notes as they come alive.
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  SPEAKER_00: In the same way, movies can tell deeper stories or show us things we haven't noticed on the surface.
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  SPEAKER_00: So journey with us as we take a more detailed appreciation for the craft of cigar and movie making.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_01: Normally I'm first hit with um spiciness on the retro.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's it's there, but I got a distinct like ginger snap cookie sweetness.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, really?
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_01: Really weird.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna see if it's like just the initial light or not.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_00: That's interesting because my brain is going in a complete different direction because ginger can have a little bit of spiciness to it, but uh, I was immediately thinking of like like cured meats like uh uh pepperoni or something almost.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, okay.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like that the the pepperiness has come forward on the retro, um, but there's still that like sharp, you know how like ginger ginger snap has that sharp sweetness that's like tingling?
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_01: That's immediately what's hitting me, but I mean, really pleasant right out the gate.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_01: This is not, I wouldn't say, a uh mild cigar in terms of how it starts out.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_01: There's something else that's an audience member in the back.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, right.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry about that.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um there's kind of like a dustiness.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_02: Not in a gross way.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_00: But I think that we talked about this a couple months ago.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_00: There was one we were smoking where I was like, you know, old book.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_00: Remember that?
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_00: I do.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_00: And there's maybe like a something akin to that going on with this one.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_00: I'll have to to think about it more, but I could see that.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I would I will I will say the sweetness was mostly on that first puff.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_01: I'm getting more aggressive, like cayenne pepper.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um, that dustiness is definitely there too.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_01: I I know what you're talking about, and I I want to I want to pinpoint it specifically, but I'm not too sure.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_01: I really like this size, though.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I'm a sucker for box press, but it feels comfortable in the hand.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um, okay, let's see here.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_01: Daniel Frazier says, Evening, fam.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's been a while since I could make it a live, make it to a live.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_01: Smoked a doctor's orders, too.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_01: Those have been aging wonderfully.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_01: Nice.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_01: I do love that cigar.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, Jason's saying he definitely gets a grassy note with raisin on the cold draw.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_01: So he's there too.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_01: And the preference for Daniel is rather relight a few times.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_01: Tight draw is horrible for me.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_01: Feels like too much work.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_01: I agree.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_01: And I I know there's one of the saddest stories for me personally in my own like personal cigar smoking.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, we had had a very long week at the shop.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_01: This was probably 2022, and it wasn't particularly a great week.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_01: We just we had a lot of red tape and a lot of things going.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_01: So we finally hit Saturday, and uh, it's like I don't know, 10 at night.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_01: I make it home, and I'm like, I just want a cigar, I needed like a celebration moment to get through that week.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_01: So I pulled a Liga Pravada nine from Drew Estate that I had been aging for four years, and it had a tight draw.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, Oh, this is the perfect way to end this week.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_01: So it was let down.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that hurts.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so uh for those of you joining us tonight, this is sort of an open floor meeting.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna be talking about horror films, different genres of horror films, which ones do you particularly move to?
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_01: Because while we could maybe lump it all into the one genre, uh, I'm sure there are many other genres to expand from there.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna talk about good examples, bad examples.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um, we want to know from you guys what are some of your top favorite picks in the horror genre?
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_01: Now, Curtis, I know you probably can elaborate on this more.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um, what would you say are some of the subcategories within that umbrella category?
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, um, you know, uh to a degree, you can kind of like, you know, divide genres down to like super like you know, detailed to where there's like, hey, there's four films that fit this genre.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_00: But broadly speaking, uh, when I think of horror movies, you've either got you know supernatural stuff.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_00: So we're talking about like ghosts, which is uh uh various monsters, perhaps.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, you know, you could even say that um, you know, uh a creature feature is uh uh subgenre there.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um you've got slashers, which is you know, there's nothing typically supernatural going on.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_00: It's just an evil person with a sharp thing that is attacking you.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um you've got uh psychological horror, uh, where you know there's not really you know any uh monster release, or not necessarily, or you know, anything even in terms of like um uh supernatural evil, but just you know, uh talking like you know, Silence of the Lambs, right?
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_00: You know, or um it preys on um you know your your fears about the ideas and things and just living in this world and you know the the horror that's kind of inherent with it.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um uh and then uh you've also got uh cosmic horror, um, which is um a genre I'm not overly familiar with.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_00: Uh HP Lovecraft, the author, is notably kind of like maybe one of the progenitors of this kind of thing.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, yeah.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, you know, the movie Alien skirts on the edge of being cosmic horror.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um and then um you've got uh you know, this is probably a a strain of horror movies out there that the whole point is to be as absurdly violent as possible.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes, to to like be shock value that's never been done before.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_00: Gore movies or whatever you want to call it.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there's there's those.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_00: So you mentioned Alien.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_01: Oh no, sorry, I was just gonna say, I think also that leans to one of my least favorite, also, I would say, is like body horror.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if that's a specific genre.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_01: I I mean I maybe it's fresh on my brain because of like clayface and stuff like that.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_00: No, I I I think that qualifies because that would get you films like um uh The Fly and whatnot.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_01: Which yeah, so I would say out of those, uh what would be one of you some of your least favorite of those genres?
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_01: And that being like, yeah, it's not something that's gonna move you to the theater.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I am definitely not a slasher guy.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_00: You know, there's a couple exceptions.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, Halloween is sort of the OG, is still a movie that's enjoyable to watch, um, just for like the the the the vibe of of that one.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_00: But um broadly speaking, yeah, it's if it's a bunch of you know young people usually behaving very stupidly being chased by somebody, like I said, with a sharp thing.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_00: Like I just I get bored so quickly with those.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um and uh broadly speaking, a lot of ghost story horror films are so like the same as each other that uh I I can get frustrated with that genre too.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, and uh you know, with some exceptions like Alien, um I don't think I'm a cosmic horror guy.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_00: Um I I've again I'm not super well versed in it, but I've seen some films, like there's this one called The Void that came out a few years ago that kind of bored the heck out of me.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_00: Uh stuff like Event Horizon.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if you've ever seen that.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_01: Oh uh no, I purposely avoided it.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um uh Hellraiser is kind of tangentially related there.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_00: This whole idea of like a horror so um, you know, unfamiliar that you you know horrors you can't imagine.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, hey, if I can't imagine it, it's not scary.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_00: Like so I that's a genre that I don't get.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um oftentimes like in Event Horizon, uh I'm not you know I'm not gonna be ruining this movie for you because it's no, no, no, no.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_01: Just yeah, go ahead.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_00: The idea is that there's this deep space exploration ship called the Event Horizon that goes too far, like you know, out of like you know, charted known space, and what they find there is unspeakable horror, except that the unspeakable horror is like very specifically like almost this like Judeo-Christian based idea of hell torture kind of stuff.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, that's so boring.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_00: You're gonna tell me you're gonna go to the edge of space past our comprehension, and it's just mundane, like you know, guys on you know, being tortured like on crucifix, like it's it's trash.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_00: Don't I don't I don't go for that.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_01: Where like almost like the buildup is trying to sound smarter than the actual payoff.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I know what you mean.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, um, and everyone watching right now, like we're gonna be having some opinions.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna be throwing out some movies that we love and we're probably gonna hate on.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_01: And we want to know what you think.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_01: If you're a fan of Event Horizon, then let us know it uh whichever way.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_01: So drop those comments down.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_01: I see we've got a few coming right now.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_00: Fight me in the comments on Event Horizon.
• 17:35
  unknown: Let's do it.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like I said, I I purposely avoided that movie.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, you know what?
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry, I'm not that big of a Sam Neil fan to brave this movie.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but and for me personally, like I would say most of my exposure for I guess horror films has mostly occurred in the last like four years.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I grew up, as you know, in a very strict household.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_01: So a lot of these movies, like you brought up Halloween.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_01: I saw Halloween for the first time three weeks ago.
• 18:03
  unknown: Okay.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_01: I had never seen it.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um, we and uh so they just Peacock or whichever studio released uh the new series with Linda Cardellini, uh Crystal Lake.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_01: So I saw that was coming out, and I was like, you know what?
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_01: I've never watched any of the Friday 13th films.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_01: So we went through those and then we watched Crystal Lake.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_01: I am surprised to say I think Crystal Lake is better than some of the movies.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_00: Like it was pretty much that actually doesn't surprise me.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I expected like if this is your foundation, what are you gonna build off?
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_01: It's just gonna be more crap.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_01: But uh it I do appreciate some of the, like you were saying, the vibe, the hit the cinema historical relevance of like Friday the 13th.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_01: And I I appreciate that.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_01: So of course for sure.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um but yeah, I would say body horror is typically something I shy away from.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_01: I do like the Alien series, that's kind of an outlier.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_01: But uh I remember back in California uh when The Substance came out, and you were mentioning that.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, that type of movie has all the elements I think that I would hate.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_01: So I just don't know if I can go watch this movie.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_01: Not to say, like, oh, it's a horrible movie, it's not worth my time.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_01: Just like this is not where I like to go.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_01: So body horror is not really there.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think this genre, maybe almost more so than any other, is one where I really let my um personal uh taste idiosyncrasies, whatever you want to call it, kind of guide stuff.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_00: Because, you know, okay, like we were just just mentioning, um, you know, there's I you know whole categories of movies within this genre where I'm just like not for me to not watch it, like the the extreme, for lack of a better word, torture porn films.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I got I got I got no interest in that at all.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and actually on that, Jason's got a a comment to back you up right there.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_01: He says, Torture films like hostile and saw films, nope.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um I think that I've never seen any of the saw films, but I think the concept of the first one, from what I understand, sounded at least original and interesting.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so that's cool, but yeah, it's not enough really for me to, I guess, go watch it.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_01: Um, the other genre I normally steer away from is which you mentioned is supernatural.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_01: Not a fan, but there are a few outliers as well.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_01: I just watched Sinister, didn't hate it.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_01: I thought it was at least an interesting story, and not the lighting, pretty good.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_00: So there are some you can find is that the one where there's like the kind of like creepy guy with the black and red face kind of thing that keeps showing up in the background.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_00: That's different.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_01: That's insidious.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_01: Insidious they're all like the same, which I also just watched a week or two ago because my brother's like, these are the ones we gotta watch.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_01: And that one I thought was pretty dumb.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_01: But uh Sinistra with Ethan Hawk.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um, okay.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_00: I remember yeah, I remember that one.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_00: See, that that those kind of movies like that um are part of that you know sort of supernaturalist genre where um I feel like a lot of them blend together and they're the same movie every time.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_01: I I would agree.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_01: No argument from me.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I think there are extremely notable exceptions.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_00: I think hereditary is outstanding.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_00: I know you haven't watched that yet.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_00: It's rough.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I get it.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_01: It that that's a that's a it's a pretty because because like I've mentioned before, my brother is so into horror films, and he the hereditary is the one he's like, don't waste your time.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_01: It is so dumb.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, Oh, okay, that's not what I've heard.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_00: So that is so wrong.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_00: Andrew, we need to talk.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_01: But I mean, for in terms of Ariaster, I really do like Midsummer.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_01: I think that is a comfortable movie, very good movie.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_01: Um, Lady Driven says horror comedy.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, the reanimator, Dead Alive, Evil Dead, Ash versus Evil Dead.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, I love Army of Darkness.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_01: That is a primo horror comedy movie.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_01: Love it.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: I'm glad I'm glad that you brought that up because uh that is actually a genre that I'm generally pretty into.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um did you say you'd seen Cabin in the Woods?
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_01: I have.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_01: I have.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_00: I I I I adore that one.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, obviously we we did it on the show uh uh a couple years ago.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um uh I think Shawn of the Dead is still the movie that I've rated the highest on this show.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_00: I adore that film.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_00: It is those are two genres that when you do it right, they blend together extremely nicely.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_01: And then you could do it really wrong, like Scary Movie Six, and then it's just what are you doing?
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_01: Uh let's hear.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_01: Jason says, definitely check out 70s film The Changeling with George C.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_01: Scott.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um I've seen that.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_01: I have not.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_01: So what are your thoughts?
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um, that one's an interesting one, uh, because I guess that fits in more the psychological horror film because Changeling makes it sound like it's about like some alien creature that like mimics you, you know, like the thing or whatever.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_00: That's not what that movie is.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um I liked it.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know that it's one that I would go back and rewatch.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_00: I think once once was enough for me.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry if that disappoints you, Jason.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Lady Driven says Bruce Campbell movies are great, uh, which I do agree.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, Daniel Fraser, dislike the ones that really on noisy jump scares find it extremely annoying and it ruins the movie for me.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_00: We should talk about jump scares for a minute because we should be a big thing in this genre.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_01: Have you uh have you heard about this new Jessica Chastain film?
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's called Other Mommy or Another Mommy or Other Mother or something like that.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_00: I think I saw the trailer for that.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, it looks super dumb, but I saw a review that they're like audiences uh started to walk out after the 14th jump scare halfway through the movie or something.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, so what are your opinions on jump scares?
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_00: Broadly speaking, I hate them.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_00: Uh because I mean they're loyal hanging fruit.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_00: The argument could be made that this is a reason why they work and that it's good that horror movies employ them, because startling a person with uh you know sudden image and or noise, usually it's both combined, right?
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_00: Is pretty easy.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_00: That's just like a base level of our psychology, right?
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um but uh because it's so simple, I don't find them very deep or interesting.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes they can be funny, you know, even.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_00: Uh there are examples that I think are really good.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna illustrate one here in just a second.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_01: But I wonder if you're gonna go with my example because I wouldn't be surprised, but go ahead.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um but uh you know, one of the other things that's extremely typical with jump scares is you know they're coming because the camera frames the character in such a way that you know there's this void right here that wasn't in the previous shot, and that's where something's gonna pop up, right?
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_00: You know, so and mirrors are another one where you should anticipate a jump scare, right?
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_00: You know, so like the predictability kind of spoils the effect for me.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_00: But um uh one of my absolute favorite horror movies, not just of all time, but especially of the last like decade, is The Witch.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, there is what I think is an outstanding example of a jump scare in that movie.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_00: Spoilers for the witch, sorry guys.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um, the father, uh, because it's about this pure technical family who leaves their community to go live in the woods uh and try to be, you know, the more pure, awesome Christians that they think they are or whatever.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_00: And the uh family becomes convinced that their teenage daughter, Thomason, is probably a witch.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_00: So towards the end of the movie, uh the father locks her in a barn to see if something happens overnight, right?
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_00: And of course, the real witch in the story comes and spoils his plan, uh, kills the kids, kills the livestock that's in the barn.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_00: So the father wakes up in the morning and thinks he's seeing evidence of the fact that his daughter is indeed a witch.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_00: And he's just staring at her, trying to process what's going on.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_00: And the goat, back black Philip, that has been kind of teased as being kind of something's not right with him, uh, comes in and you know, gores the father in the stomach, and he falls into the pile of wood, which was his toil to try and you know keep away.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_00: The wood collapses on him.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_00: It's the end of the dad.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_00: That jump scare is great because it's something because you're seeing the father try to deal with, oh, my my daughter's the witch.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_00: It interrupts that, you know, uh, what you think the point of the scene is gonna be.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_00: It's surprising to the audience and the characters at the same time, it's not telegraphed by the the staging, and it gives us more information about Black Philip because we eventually get to the point where we find out that yes, Black Philip is Satan, right?
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_00: So that's a well-employed jump scare because it avoids all the cheap tricks, it's relevant to what's happening in the scene, and uh, like I said, genuine surprise for both the characters and the audience.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_00: That's a great jump scare.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_01: That that movie has a I have a weird relationship with that movie because I think in terms of Robert Edgers, it's one of his cleanest and tightly knit.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_01: I really appreciate the commentary on family dynamic.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um it's not just another horror film about grief and having to destroy the monster that is grief.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_01: Um so um, but I will say it definitely gives you the like nasty feeling at the end of the movie.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_01: It's like oh yeah.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so but I think it's a very well done movie.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_01: Did I tell you the story the first time I watched that?
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_01: So we we we watched it, it was late at night, and it was some weekend, and so we're like, all right, well, on that note, let's go to sleep.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_01: And like our our houses used to be, we used to have a garage, and then the door would lead into our kitchen, and then you could see our dining room table.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_01: My middle child, she can sometime uh sleepwalk.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_01: And so we finished this movie, we open the door and we look down the hallway, and she's like sitting, splayed out, like face completely up, and her mouth is open, eyes closed.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_01: Oh dear.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_01: Mallory jumps herself, and I'm like, not tonight, not tonight.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_01: Come on, it was the craziest.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_00: I had not heard that story.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_00: That was wild.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_01: But I would say uh a good uh probably let more formulaic, but a good example of a jump scare that I will always love because of the thought process and the editing that took tireless amounts is in Jaws.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_01: When Gardner's head comes out, and hearing kind of like what Spielberg did to make that happen in terms of one, I like how the camera is not necessarily set up because you have this shot that's not static, it's following Hooper as he's going through and he's okay, what's going on with the tooth?
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_01: And then it kind of goes, glides into frame and we move up to the frame, so it's not preset already.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_01: But Spielberg had to test it through multiple audiences and in the editing, be like, nope, it's not right, nope, it's not right, getting the right sound because he wanted it such a jump out of your skin.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_01: And as I mentioned, it's a low-hanging fruit.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of people it's just lazy, okay.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_01: That's what it is in the movie.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_01: So I admire that type of intentionality.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, and uh the other thing that I like about it too is that it's not something that comes out of left field because you know, Jaws, although you can call it a horror movie in certain ways, uh, is also just a drama about people.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you know in our real world, right?
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_00: You know, there's no supernatural anything going on.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_00: And um for a uh you know, a couple of you know relatively mundane people like uh um uh gosh, why uh uh Hooper and um why am I blanking on the names?
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_01: Brody.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_00: Brody, thank you.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um you know seeing uh the head uh of a dead person, particularly one that you know, suddenly pop out of a hole in a boat, that is gonna be scary for you.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_00: So it's it's it does, it's not it's not a cheat at all.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_00: I like that one too.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_01: I agree.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_01: Uh see here.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Lady Driven, it says Sean of the Dead is a great movie.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_01: Agreeing with you.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_01: That's yeah, one of our favorites here.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_01: And Daniel says, not all jump scares are created equally.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they're not.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_01: Um very quickly, let's let's take a quick pause.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_01: Let's check in on this Ezra Zion, uh, see if any transitions.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_01: I'm still getting a lot of times.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_01: I I describe like a peppery note as like black pepper.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_01: To me, this is more of like a red cayenne pepper type of spice going on with it for me.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, what do you what do you think so far?
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_00: I think I agree with you on that.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I mentioned pepperoni at the beginning, so that's already leaning the direction that you're talking about.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I think I still feel like that that that dusty component is still there, kind of like you know, just holding up things in the background.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there's a hint, I think, more savory too, as it's continued.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_01: So maybe we're we're kind of just like verbalizing two different things in terms of cayenne pepper and pepperoni, but I think in that same vein.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um dusty component there as well.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um I also feel like there's now uh a slight bitter element that's coming in.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we've mentioned citrus pith before, and I don't know if it's just quite that, but like I'm I'm getting something that's reminding me of it.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 31:23
  unknown: Yeah.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_01: Excellent flavor profile right now.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm really digging this cigar.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_01: Likewise.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um, let's see here.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, Jason brings up a really good point saying also music.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_01: Music makes a horror film more creepy.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_01: For example, The Exorcist, Amityville Horror, and Halloween.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I agree.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_00: Music plays a big part.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_01: And I think we've lamented this fact on the show before.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_01: Uh sort of like the dying art of amazing soundtracks and how some of them are just too formulaic.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_00: It has changed a lot in our lifetimes, hasn't it?
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um I feel like I've we've talked about this on the show before, so uh I'll try to be brief, but it's my understanding that one of the things that's happening now is that uh because the technology is such that you can easily, you know, you can we're editing film digitally, right?
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_00: You know, instead of cutting up actual pieces of film, um, it means that you can have an assembly cut of the movie as you're filming it, you can start putting it together, and uh usually they want to use temporary music to kind of like just see how you know we're are we reinforcing the tone of the scene with music.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_00: And then the director sees the film with the temp music so many times in the process of editing, they kind of get attached to what that music sounds like.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_00: So when they finally hire a composer, they're like, Hey, can you make it sound like the temp track?
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_00: And then you know, recycle over a couple decades, and it's just like sanding off all the edges, right?
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it just turns into kind of a a mush of stuff that all sounds kind of the same.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_01: No, I agree, I agree.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um and I yeah, I think it's sad because as we've mentioned, like the thing the soundtracks that recall you and even put you in a different headspace, not saying they don't exist anymore, and that's not true, but yeah, they don't seem as common as they used to be.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_01: Um, that Halloween theme that Jason brings up, like I don't know how inherently creepy it is, but it is so iconic and it is Oh, for sure.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so it definitely has its place for sure.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_00: Uh for for a fantastic example.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_00: If anybody is uh hasn't seen this movie and is looking for something that uses music in a really unsettling way, uh to reinforce the tone of the movie, there's this sort of sci-fi-ish horror film uh from uh about a decade ago called Under the Skin, starring Scarlett Johansson.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_00: The music in that is absurd, it's so weird and different and creepy.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_00: I I'm a big fan of that one.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_01: To to back up what Curtis is saying, I saw that movie once, maybe three or four years ago.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_01: That soundtrack will still like go through my head.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_01: I don't even remember most of the movie, but I do remember that soundtrack, and it's haunting, it's unsettling, and it's it does a great job of like building up dread, but it it just like thins it and slows it out to where it's almost like a fever dream in a way.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's crazy.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_00: It's a great example of unique music that fits the movie in a horror film for sure.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, I love that one.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_01: Uh a few comments here.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_01: Lady Driven says interesting flavors on those Edge of Zions.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_01: They definitely are.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_01: They're they're very different.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_01: Like I said, some of them hit really well.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, this one I'm really enjoying.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um, Josephus says Gummo had a decent soundtrack.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_00: I still haven't seen that.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_00: That's like, you know, kind of it's I wouldn't say that's on my list of shame, but it's one that I was like, you know, I need to watch that eventually because it looks weird and interesting.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_00: I haven't seen it either.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and he also says Eyes Wide Shut had such creepy music.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_00: That that that uh very sparse but like identifiable piano where it's just a handful of notes.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's not a complicated musical score, but it just it supports the um the the theme and the tone again of the movies so well.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_00: That's a good that's a good call.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_00: I like that one quite a bit.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_01: It it's so funny because uh I had only seen most of that movie once, and I had no idea what the movie was.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_01: It just started and I was like, what is going on?
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and that I will say too, there we I've mentioned before the movie's uh sorry to bother you, which I would classify as horror.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it movies like that that are are like just at the end become so unhinged that catch you off guard, those tended to be a mind twister for me for sure.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I agree.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I an element I do want to talk about because this is definitely relevant to how movies are made now and horror films of even back to the 70s or 80s, the use of CGI, the use of AI computerization.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_01: For me personally, things like The Thing will always be so iconic, not only because of the story and everything is really good, also great soundtrack.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but the effects and how it's basically created on the film is what really brings it to life.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_01: I find it hard, honestly, to be genuinely like creeped out from CGI horror.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_01: Like the concept can creep me out, but a lot of things like prime example, I'm a huge fan of Stephen King.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_01: I love the it movies, and some people are like, oh my gosh, that was so creepy.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_01: To me, I'm like, I I can't really get creeped out about it.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's just it's very computerized, and I I wonder what your take is on that.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I I generally I think I probably agree with you.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, the um the CG effects in that new it film are done about as well as anything like that can be done.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_00: But because it the like it necessarily by the concept of that creature, you're not imagining it in your head as you're reading it on the page.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_00: You're seeing a literal representation of it on the screen, and because it's so unreal, I think that there's a divide where like part of your brain is always going, that's fake.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_01: I would agree.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that it, yeah, it's more prevalent in CGI such.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_01: And I think too, it's hard because it's like it's a valiant effort.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not trying to uh talk bad about both movies either way.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I still enjoy them a lot, but of course, as we all know, like the concept of it, and towards the end, when it takes a spider form, as it's explained in the book, is that the kids couldn't imagine anything other than like a black widow spider is the only thing they could actually like bring their mind to comprehend, otherwise their mind would go crazy.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_01: And it's very different in the movie.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_01: They try to illustrate this kind of monstrous, grotesque thing, and it's like, yeah, it's good, but it definitely doesn't strike that same note, I guess.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think I'm on the same page with you.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so yeah, we mentioned uh a few movies not so much fans of.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, what would you say are like hallmarks, not just because of historical relevance, but ones you genuinely enjoy?
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like these are movies to go watch.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I I'm uh a pretty big fan of Hitchcock's psycho.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um for a handful of reasons.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, for one, just you know, really solid filmmaking, you know, cool idea uh on the genre where you know you kind of switch protagonists partway through.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, you know, that's a cool surprise.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um and uh that's another one where music plays a big part.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_00: Bernard Herman's score is very iconic for that movie.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_00: So uh that that's up there for me.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um I I do like The Exorcist quite a bit, and part of the reason is because no movie today would be as patient as that film is with setting the scene for you know kind of what takes place in the third act.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_00: You know, big chunk of that movie is just getting to know these characters, see what their lives are like, as the horror premise is very slowly introduced, and there's a part of me that digs that restraint.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um and uh, I mean, we already talked about The Shining, that's a that's a big one for me.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but lately there's been a handful.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_00: We already talked about The Witch.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I'm also a big fan of uh It Follows that came out again within the last decade or so.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_00: That is a good one.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_00: Uh that one, um, you know, again, I think the restraint is something that I really admire in that because they don't go over the top with the sort of like monster ish, you know, kind of scary bits they're they're sprinkled throughout.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_00: It just has this pervasive tone of like something, you know, kind of dreadful and uneasy is going on here with way the cameras used.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um, solid, solid horror movie.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, nice.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I I would say for me, I mean, it's always gonna be on the Mount Rushmore.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_01: Probably said it before, but Belagosi's Dracula.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_01: No, it's not really scary, but I really appreciate the set work in it.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um, the tone it kind of goes for um overall.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_01: As I mentioned, it's not an easy movie to watch, but uh I would hold Midsummer up there as one of the better ones.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um, super, super solid.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_01: And I think what is difficult is is we've with Hitchcock, as we've mentioned, he's very premise built.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_01: And you're right, Psycho is fantastic.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um, Rear Window is fantastic.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_01: Like he's got some amazing ones, but a lot of horror films, I think the reason that they lose out is maybe the acting is not there, the character development's not there.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_01: Slasher films, you know, that the jock and the cheerleader that are being jerks in the car, they're end up gonna end up get killed.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's just these tropes and such like that, where they don't spend time or investment in that.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_01: And Midsummer is a great way of that slow build.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_01: The actors uh are just bringing it to the to the front, which is amazing.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_01: Um and it's time spent in their character development.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and another thing that's really cool about that movie for me is that you know, one of the things that is almost universally true about horror movies is that they use darkness, right?
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_00: Because it's just a natural sensory thing.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_00: It's inherently because of our human bodies, the way they function, scary when you can't see what's going on.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_00: So this movie takes place in the land of the 24-hour sun, right?
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, you know, there's almost no darkness, and it's like this uh evil is so uh hidden that you can't see it in all this bright light until it like slowly starts to reveal itself.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's pretty cool.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, for sure.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_01: I agree.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um let's hear Jason uh Jason says I love films that doesn't show the killer or the thing towards the end of the film.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um yes, and again, I think that when done correctly, it's very impactful.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes maybe not the much, but yes.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_00: There are instances where um uh what was that one we were just talking about?
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_00: I said the guy with the red and black face, it wasn't uh insidious, insidious that one really bugged me because you know, throughout the first two-thirds of the film or whatever, they've been doing a pretty good job of teasing that character, whatever he is.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_00: I don't remember anymore if there's an explanation for what he was or who he was or whatever.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um but uh by the time he kind of like finally emerges in the movie, you know, they've been teasing the whole time that this guy is like insanely dangerous, like you can't let him manifest, or you're toast.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_00: And then when he shows up, he he's just as easy to avoid as like any other, it's almost like that scene in uh um uh the Obi-Wan show with Leia being chased through the forest, you know, like this this this guy, once he finally emerges, is not as you know, uh malicious and dangerous as the movie had been telling me he was going to be.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like you can't do that.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, if you're gonna sell that this is you know, like uh you know, hanging on a knife's edge, whether you live or die with this guy present.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_00: I I need to see that in the movie when he shows up, and they don't, and it really bugged me.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_01: No, I agree with you.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_01: The payoff doesn't uh reward you for waiting two-thirds of the movie at all.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Lady Driven says Anthony Perkins made Psycho, the the movie what it is.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um Joseva says off topic, different genre, but I heard that they're working on a Constantine 2.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_01: I heard that too.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_01: I did, yeah.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I feel like I that's one that I need to to give another go because generally people who are fans of this genre, you know, kind of supernatural comic booky stuff like Constantine is.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_00: Seems like it would be up my alley, and I was just like, eh, I didn't really love this.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't know, maybe I should watch that one again.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_01: Andrew keeps pushing me to watch it, so maybe we'll have to.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: Analyze it at some point on the show.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_01: I have Daniel says, hmm, Alien and Pandemonium is on his list.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_01: Um, Alien's interesting because I watched it when I was 16 and did not like it.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_01: And then I would say over the last four or five years, I've not only grown an appreciation, but I do actually I see why it is the movie it is.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's one of the best.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm a big fan of Alien.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um, have not seen Pandemonium then, though.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_01: So haven't seen that.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think I have either.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_00: If I have, it was forgettable.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_00: But I I honestly don't think I have.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, and Jason says psycho remake was garage.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, that was weird.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I would also say, like, I don't know, we'll we'll see how it continues, but I think obsession is is up there against my will.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um I've really grown an appreciation for that movie.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_00: I liked that one too.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, uh, and we mentioned this in our review of it, but again, just shout out to um what is it, Indy Neverett.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_00: Like, without her performance in that movie, it's not the same thing.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_01: True, true.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and Mike Ross also says Alien uh one keeps you on the edge.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_01: I'm still also a huge fan of uh Romulus.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_01: I still think it's a great movie.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's probably a lot of controversy, but I think that's one of my favorites.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's a good movie.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I won't I won't be joining you on that one, sorry.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_00: But we did it, we did an episode on that show.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_00: If you haven't watched it, go back and check that one out.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_01: Another one we did an episode on that I was also outvoted on.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_01: I really enjoyed it.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_01: It's called No One Will Save You.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_01: Very different movie.
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, saw it for the second time this year, and I'm like, this still holds up.
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_01: I still think it's an incredible film.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, um, I I think that I will probably soften my take on that movie a little bit because um, you know, I I don't think that there was anything egregiously wrong with it.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_00: And through doing the episode review with you about it, I think that you mounted a pretty good defense for what the movie was doing.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_00: So kind of from afar, I respect that one a little bit more.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, okay.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_01: Now, uh and I know uh we've probably got more to talk about, but I want to make certain we don't end the episode without asking the question what is, because there's a lot of them, some examples of guilty pleasure horror films that you're like, you know, it's bad, but I do enjoy it.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_02: Hmm.
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_01: Because there's a lot of bad ones out there.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_01: For for example, for me, uh, I would say it's not a great movie, but I absolutely love it, is Planet Terror Rodriguez film.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's it uh it's unapologetic, and I appreciate where it goes and its execution.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm not too much of a fan of that one.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um it's a guilty pleasure.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it it felt uh a little bit too self-aware, like it was trying so hard to to ladle on the absurdity and the griminess of the 70s, you know, look and stuff like that.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_00: Uh it's just like I I feel like I just I'm watching a movie, but all I see is Robert Rodriguez behind the camera going, yeah.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not okay.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_01: I can see that.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_01: I can see that.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_01: Do you have any guilty pleasures?
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if I do.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_00: I'm struggling I'm sitting here struggling to think if because like I said, horror is not my genre.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_00: Generally, if you're gonna make a movie in this genre that appeals to me, uh I this sounds super elitist and kind of up my own butt, and I don't mean it to sound that way, but like you gotta impress me.
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_00: You gotta bring something interesting to the table in terms of idea, performance, tone, whatever.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_00: So I probably I think I really only like movies in this genre that I think are actually good.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, no, no, no, it makes sense.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um I I thought for sure you're gonna say Van Helsing, but you know.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_01: Oh God.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um but yeah, I think that uh it's interesting to talk this over with you because we don't have a complete fondness.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_01: I would say like the genre that gets closest to this that I'm typically always on board for is typically thriller.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_01: And that can definitely like move its way into horror genre, but thriller is typically where I jump to.
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, um I'm looking up something here because I want to make sure I get the title of this right.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um, another thing that has been interesting for me is that um we're talking about watching a movie and just feeling scared, you know, usually uh in a um like a like a the like the psychological sense.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_00: There's a handful of films I can think of that were deeply unsettling to me that aren't horror films.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um uh one example is there's this documentary uh that came out in the early 2000s called um Touching the Void about a couple of mountain climbers who tried to scale a particularly dangerous uh peak in the Andes.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_00: And um it tells the story of what happened when they this uh attempt failed because one of the climbers ended up dangling uh uh off like an ice shelf while the other guy was up above trying to, you know, kind of keep them in place, and they experienced whiteout conditions, you know, a really bad winter storm, and they were there for like hours.
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_00: And the guy uh on top made the fateful decision to cut his friend loose.
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_00: They both survived, but it tells the story of that guy's uh attempt to get back down the mountain after his leg is completely shattered because he fell a pretty long way into a crevasse.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_00: And that movie was so unsettling because you see interview segments with the climbers as they relate their story, and then they do pretty impressive reenactments of the events.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um, that that movie freaked me out because it's so relatable, right?
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, just yeah, a human story, hard decisions, your body's in peril, like that that movie is tough.
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_00: Really good though.
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, yeah um, and then the other one, I'm trying to find the title of it right here.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_00: I want to make sure that I get this right.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_00: It's um uh uh a film that's based on a true story uh of a guy who was an undercover agent in the CIA, he was, I think, Russian perhaps or something like that.
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_00: And um the uh the level of this guy's um uh it's it's called breach.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um Chris Cooper plays the um uh the undercover agent, and just like seeing the guy, this guy's level of psychological commitment to you know subterfuge, um and you know, how you know uh dangerous he made the situation with the other agent who's kind of like the main character in that.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_00: That movie was also deeply unsettling to me because again, it's so real so realistic and relatable.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um yeah.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_00: So that's a couple examples for me of like movies that I think are actually scary in a way that horror films don't do.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_01: I I mean a movie that I I think recently that I watched, and I mean I guess you could call it horror, but it's more uh it's kind of a drama and then it turns to horror at the end.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, have you seen Fire in the Sky?
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_00: I have, yeah.
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_00: That's a that's another great example.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because it it it follows a story, and the whole time you're thinking, okay, well, nothing really happened.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's about an alien.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_01: The way it wraps up at the end, and they depict him in this alien shuttle and what they do to him, like, very unsettling.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_00: I I saw that movie as a teenager and it messed me up.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_00: I'm glad you brought that up because I I wouldn't have remembered to mention that today.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I I don't have any things uh in my adult life that I'm like existentially uh uh afraid of, but I do remember there was a period in my adolescence and teens where I was legit actually afraid of like running across an alien.
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like I remember going on family vacation to like you know uh the Badlands in South Dakota, and uh, you know, we're out there in the dark looking at the stars, and I'm like, you know, one of those little creepy dudes with the big eyes can totally sneak up on us right now.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think you guys are respecting the danger we're in.
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_01: So it's crazy because it's like you've seen so many versions of that tale or the story with aliens.
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_01: You're like, okay, there's Independence Day, it's a fun movie and stuff like that.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_01: And the way that they depict it, and again, it's it's a little catch you off guard type of situation because it's all about the town being like, What did you do?
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_01: You killed him, or you didn't kill him, or he's just psychologically disturbed.
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_01: There's a uh technique they use in terms of his makeup when he first shows up, and he's got like things dripping from his eyelids that looks like eye core, you don't really know what it is, stuff like that.
• 52:47
  SPEAKER_01: You're just like you don't relate it to, oh, like a big bruise on the head.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's like that's foreign, but also it's just enough relatable that it's just it's a little unnerving.
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, that's a good flick.
• 52:59
  SPEAKER_00: I haven't seen that in a long time.
• 53:01
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Josephus says the rods going into his eyes got me in the movie.
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_01: Fires, yeah.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_01: Creepy, creepy.
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I remember it's like I said, it's been a long time since I've seen it, but I remember all of those uh sequences they do where he's seemingly on the alien vessel being like you know poked in prod at and stuff is just so otherworldly and and unsettling.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's good.
• 53:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 53:22
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Lady Driven says, ah, zombies, zombie and freaks of nature are good cheesy movies.
• 53:29
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 53:29
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think I've seen either one of those.
• 53:31
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Mansfield mentions one that I've also like have avoided, uh, which is The Hills Have Eyes is a weird movie.
• 53:38
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I I don't believe I've seen that either.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_00: I have just like, you know, like like mutant people living in the the the hills or something like that.
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_00: Isn't that what that is?
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's probably a little too close to home, but I have a hard time trying to get through movies where it's like a family gets taken hostage and taken advantage of.
• 53:55
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like those types of things, like I it's difficult.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's difficult.
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Mike Ross said, I'm old, but House of Usher with Vincent Price spoke to me at a young age.
• 54:06
  SPEAKER_01: I haven't seen Vincent Price did a lot of I would say uh what's the word I'm searching for?
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_01: Innovative type of storytelling and film for sure.
• 54:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that one I'm not familiar with.
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_00: The thing that comes to mind for me on that is uh House on a Haunted Hill, right?
• 54:22
  SPEAKER_00: Like I think that's like the standout for him, probably.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 54:26
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and then Jason says worst horror film I saw was Blair Witch Project.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_00: I'm a big fan of that one too.
• 54:33
  SPEAKER_00: Uh true story.
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_00: Uh you know, that came out in 1999, 98.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_01: Sounds right, 99.
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and you know, at that point, the internet was still, you know, a pretty new thing.
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I remember like, you know, distinctly that you know it had a in the book, go to Blair Rich Project.com or whatever.
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_00: But um when I went to see that, um, the only thing I had heard about it was uh these kids tried to make this documentary about this folk legend, and this is the the footage of their thing.
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_00: I sat through that entire movie up into the credits thinking that it was real.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_01: Oh wow.
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, that makes it so much scarier.
• 55:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it it you know, I I mean I I was there with a friend of mine, and you know, two uh you know, grown men, I was uh what 20 or so uh when that came out.
• 55:24
  SPEAKER_00: We're practically like clutching each other in the seats because he was in the same boat as me.
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_00: And then the credits roll, and there's actor names, and I'm like, huh?
• 55:32
  SPEAKER_00: What?
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_00: That's crazy.
• 55:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, another scary movie, Jason says Star Wars episode one.
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_01: I I will make a case.
• 55:41
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think that's a horrible movie.
• 55:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's it's not great, but it's not horrible.
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_00: It's got problems, but yeah.
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, Rise of Skywalker easily yes, just when you think it couldn't get worse.
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_01: Um, okay, so let's take final thoughts on this cigar and give it a rating before we head off.
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I really like where it's gone.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like it's kind of gone from that kind of like savory, spicy, as you're saying, dusty, and it's kind of melded almost into like a more cohesive, rounded flavor profile.
• 56:09
  SPEAKER_01: It's pulling you in less than a lot of it.
• 56:10
  SPEAKER_00: I agree with I agree with that exactly.
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's like if you could take all those uh flavor notes that we've been talking about as ingredients, and then now that they've been turned into a dish, right?
• 56:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's exactly what I'm getting.
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, which ending on it is really well rounded.
• 56:27
  SPEAKER_01: I uh feel like even that hint of bitter that you said gives that really good bolster of like complexity, but it's not fighting against the sweetness or fighting against the spiciness.
• 56:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I agree.
• 56:38
  SPEAKER_01: It's a good stick.
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so let's uh let's give it a vote.
• 56:41
  SPEAKER_01: I see that Jason's already put down his vote.
• 56:43
  SPEAKER_01: He says, Cigar was great.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_01: I gave it a 7.8.
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_01: Right on.
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_01: Nice.
• 56:48
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 56:48
  SPEAKER_00: Also, like the if if you wanted to uh um stub this one, they gave you your own little like you know, cigar paper.
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_01: Stab this and decided.
• 56:58
  SPEAKER_01: There you go.
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_01: Your own uh cigar dagger.
• 57:03
  SPEAKER_01: Alright.
• 57:04
  SPEAKER_01: I have mine uh written down.
• 57:07
  SPEAKER_01: I'm doing it right now.
• 57:13
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_01: I give it a seven.
• 57:18
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 57:19
  SPEAKER_01: So it's in where in that seven or eight.
• 57:21
  SPEAKER_01: Fantastic cigar.
• 57:22
  SPEAKER_01: I I really enjoy it.
• 57:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um good good complexity.
• 57:27
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but yes, and as we kind of come to the end of the episode here, we have talked about uh Chris Nolan.
• 57:34
  SPEAKER_01: We've talked about multiple different directors on the show, and Curtis had the idea of talking about one of the more iconic ones.
• 57:40
  SPEAKER_01: So we're gonna be focusing the next series on a specific director and his films.
• 57:46
  SPEAKER_01: Curtis, who are we talking about?
• 57:49
  SPEAKER_00: Just one of the greatest artists in this genre ever, Steven Spielberg.
• 57:54
  SPEAKER_01: Steven Spielberg.
• 57:55
  SPEAKER_01: Even in a genre where he's not normally known as.
• 57:57
  SPEAKER_01: We still mentioned him tonight with Jaws, uh, which he was only 24 years old, I mean.
• 58:02
  SPEAKER_00: Well, and his minority report is legit pretty creepy, too.
• 58:05
  SPEAKER_00: I remember watching that, and you know, there was no specific imagery or moment that reminded me of anything, but I was like, the way this feels reminds me of what a nightmare feels like.
• 58:17
  SPEAKER_00: You know, just the sort of like, you know, inescapable, oppressive, you know, uh nature of the way that he depicts the tripods in that.
• 58:27
  SPEAKER_00: It's really good.
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_00: I like that one, but yeah.
• 58:30
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and um Mall, I know Mallory's not here on the show tonight, but I know that she would also uh give a uh opinion for Lynch, uh David Lynch's like fever dream type approach to that type of thing.
• 58:43
  SPEAKER_01: She's a big fan of.
• 58:44
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 58:44
  SPEAKER_00: I can see that for sure.
• 58:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um, final comment of the night.
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_01: Josephus says, I'm writing a dream sequence horror film.
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_01: I have a dream that Goldie Grace and Freedom Fighter Lanceros are back, but then I wake up and they're not available.
• 58:56
  SPEAKER_01: Uh we need to send that script off to the Cigar Clowns and Shafield Cigar Collection.
• 59:02
  SPEAKER_00: That's the scariest thing that's been mentioned all night.
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 59:05
  SPEAKER_01: All right, guys.
• 59:06
  SPEAKER_01: Well, thank you for joining us tonight.
• 59:07
  SPEAKER_01: We'll be back next Tuesday to talk about Steven Spielberg films.
• 59:10
  SPEAKER_01: We'll be announcing the movie.
• 59:12
  SPEAKER_01: Also, uh, finally, we're able to get Hector Alfonso from Espinoza Cigars in two days.
• 59:17
  SPEAKER_01: We have a raffle sampler going on for Espinoza.
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_01: If you missed Nosferatu, there's one in this sampler pack.
• 59:23
  SPEAKER_01: So check us out in a couple of we uh days.
• 59:25
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Curtis, thanks for hanging out and thanks for being on the show again.
• 59:28
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 59:28
  SPEAKER_00: Good night, y'all.
• 59:29
  SPEAKER_01: All right, everyone have a great night.
• 59:30
  SPEAKER_01: We'll see you.