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Should HBCUs Ban Bonnets? The Tuskegee Debate Everyone's Talking About · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: of that, I'm currently coming to you guys from Delaware
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  Speaker 2: I came home.
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  Speaker 1: I came home to just make sure things was cool.
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  Speaker 1: I know. We talked about this a bit on a
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  Speaker 1: But because I'm typically the person that like will talk
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  Speaker 2: And I realized today that.
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  Speaker 1: We're really over the hill when it comes to like
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  Speaker 1: the roles reversing, like my mom. So my grandmother was
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  Speaker 1: while I was at work. We kind of switched off
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  Speaker 1: shifts and when we were leaving, I was just you know,
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  Speaker 1: how the medicine, how she was reacting to the medicine
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  Speaker 1: and different stuff. And I was on the phone while
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  Speaker 1: I was doing it, and my boyfriend like as I
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  Speaker 2: Like I know she is happy you are there.
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  Speaker 1: And in that moment, it wasn't about the compliment, like
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate the compliment because child leave it to my grandma.
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  Speaker 1: She will tell you, I'm too busy. I'm always on
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  Speaker 1: my phone. I don't spend enough time. It was more
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  Speaker 1: so like for me, I was like the realization moment
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  Speaker 1: of like, dang, Like if I wasn't here right now,
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  Speaker 1: it's literally me and my brother and so you know,
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  Speaker 2: Today's my niece's birthday.
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  Speaker 1: I'll trying to make sure that he has everything straight
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  Speaker 1: for that. He also works, and then I'm getting off work,
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  Speaker 1: switching shits with my mom checking on him.
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  Speaker 2: Like we're literally like the new adults, Like this is
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  Speaker 1: Like I was having a conversation about medicine, dosage, post
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  Speaker 1: care for her, trying to come up with a plan
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  Speaker 1: in my head of like who's going to be with
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  Speaker 1: her for these next like forty eight hours to make
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  Speaker 1: sure she does take it easy, doesn't drive because I
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  Speaker 1: also have to get back to work. But then my
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  Speaker 1: adults out here. It's crazy when it just hits me sometimes,
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  Speaker 1: like it will randomly just hit me and I'll be like,
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  Speaker 1: I am grown. This is crazy. So today was one
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  Speaker 1: of those moments. But yes, my mom is fine, y'all.
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  Speaker 1: So thanks to everybody that like sends up prayers for
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  Speaker 1: her and all of the things. I knew that she
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  Speaker 1: her a sense of comfort that we're all there, especially
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  Speaker 1: in her older age, she's always overwearying about certain things.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, but let's get on into the latest because speaking.
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  Speaker 1: About us being the new adult, now, this conversation has
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  Speaker 1: been going on for the last like forty eight hours.
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  Speaker 1: Y'all have been screaming at your phones on TikTok, typing
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  Speaker 1: up a storm from substack to Twitter to threads because
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  Speaker 1: to Ski University updated their being of various clothing items
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  Speaker 1: or their dress code on campus. And they're talking about
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  Speaker 1: the fact that bonnets and do rags are not allowed
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  Speaker 1: in classrooms and cafeterias. Right now, I'm going to read
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  Speaker 1: to you guys how this all started.
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  Speaker 2: There was a letter that was sent out. Where is
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  Speaker 2: the letter? Let me get the letter.
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  Speaker 1: There was a letter that was sent out by administrators
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  Speaker 1: at Tuskegee. And I want to preface this with saying
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  Speaker 1: that this is not uncommon, yo. Like when I went
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  Speaker 1: to Delaware State University, that was like you learned in
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  Speaker 1: your like your freshman year of college. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if it's like this at pwi's, but at HBCUs you
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  Speaker 1: have something like I don't know what every school calls it,
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  Speaker 1: but most schools will call it like a freshman seminar.
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  Speaker 1: And it's basically like an etiquette class. It's like a
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  Speaker 1: life etiquette class, like speaking of being the new adult.
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  Speaker 1: That class is like, yo, you hear you grown? Make
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  Speaker 1: it the class on time? Dress you know appropriately, welcome
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  Speaker 1: to the new world. It's about professionalism. Let us remind
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  Speaker 1: you now, go off, be great, enjoy your four years.
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  Speaker 1: So these dress codes and various things are not new
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  Speaker 1: like I know on like so like if you had
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  Speaker 1: business seminars certain days, you would have to dress.
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  Speaker 2: Up at school.
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  Speaker 1: Like there's always been religiously like there's always been dress
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  Speaker 1: codes on HBCU campuses. So I don't know why everybody's
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  Speaker 1: freaking out about this. People just don't listen. People just
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  Speaker 1: don't do it. People still are gonna wear do rags,
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  Speaker 1: People still gonna wear the bonnets. I don't agree that
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  Speaker 1: you should do any of that when stepping out the
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  Speaker 1: house around people.
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  Speaker 2: I think do rags are a little bit different for
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  Speaker 2: the boys.
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  Speaker 1: Because they also like throw y'all know, y'all put hats
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  Speaker 1: over them and hoodies and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 2: Girls, Nah, I never was.
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  Speaker 1: I never was jocking the scarves in class, the bonnets,
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  Speaker 1: any of that stuff. Like I don't even feel right
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  Speaker 1: walking out my house and getting my car that way
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  Speaker 1: unless I have a hood on. But so, there was
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  Speaker 1: a letter that was sent out from the new Tuskegee president.
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  Speaker 1: It said, they're Tuskegee University students. We're excited to welcome
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  Speaker 1: you to Tuskege University next month, as you arrive at
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  Speaker 1: an extraordinary time in the university's history. Tuskegee has entered
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  Speaker 1: its renaissance era of transformation and renewal, and we were
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  Speaker 1: expecting a thirty two year new student en Roman High
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  Speaker 1: in August. I love to see HBCU celebrate that because
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  Speaker 1: I still remember today when I was telling people that
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  Speaker 1: I was going to a HBCU and they were like,
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  Speaker 1: for what, Your degree isn't going to mean anything. And
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  Speaker 1: now all of these HBCUs are celebrating record high attendance
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  Speaker 1: levels because HBCUs are just becoming the destination as they
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  Speaker 1: should be in they'll shape being black people into these beautiful,
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  Speaker 1: well rounded people who go out into the world and
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  Speaker 1: just eat it up, beat it up, beat it up.
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  Speaker 1: But the letter continues to Skegee is focused on challenging
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  Speaker 1: you academically with resources to ensure graduation while preparing you
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  Speaker 1: for the workplace. You're required to find internships in their
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  Speaker 1: area of interests. You're required to find internships in your
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  Speaker 1: area of interests. Identify certifications to enhance professional skills and
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  Speaker 1: develop a resume.
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  Speaker 2: There are more than thirty certifications. You can get it to.
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  Speaker 1: Skegee at no additional colls. You must also visit the
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  Speaker 1: university's Career Center. In Kenny Hall.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So they go through like a bunch of different things,
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  Speaker 1: student policy, all of that, and then they update on
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  Speaker 1: what the dress code will be. So they say to Skei,
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  Speaker 1: students now have a dress code with a busy I'm
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  Speaker 1: sorry to skeget, students now have a dress code for
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  Speaker 1: public and professional places. The student handbook requires students to
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  Speaker 1: arrive on campus with a business suit and a proper
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  Speaker 1: pair of shoes for business meetings.
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  Speaker 2: Again, that was so standard at my college.
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  Speaker 1: Students are prohibited from wearing revealing clothing in class. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: you be neating that, especially on like a Thursday when
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  Speaker 1: everybody's trying to go straight to thirsty Thursday at the class,
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  Speaker 1: to the cafeteria, or in official settings like convocation.
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  Speaker 2: Convocation is typically like.
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  Speaker 1: What I was telling you guys about, like those big
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  Speaker 1: meetings where they bring like the whole suit and body
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  Speaker 1: together and you're having a dress up. Oftentimes, if the
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  Speaker 1: school has like a big, like religious based building, so
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  Speaker 1: whether it's like a church on school campus or a
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  Speaker 1: chapel or something like that, it happens there. If not,
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  Speaker 1: it happens in like one of the bigger student centers.
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  Speaker 2: They continue they're.
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  Speaker 1: Also not able to wear bedroom shoes, bonnets, or do
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  Speaker 1: rags the class or the cafeteria. Now it says that
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  Speaker 1: the goal here is not meant to restrict you from
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  Speaker 1: enjoying the Tuskegee experience, but to prepare you with a
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  Speaker 1: solid foundation for the workforce you will enter once you
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  Speaker 1: leave Tuskegee. Employers are less forgiven and too often presentation
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  Speaker 1: over rural stellar preparation.
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  Speaker 2: That is the point of going to an illustrious HBCU.
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  Speaker 1: It's all about shaping you for the world and how
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  Speaker 1: the world views you as a black person, as a
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  Speaker 1: black professional, and as someone who is stepping into it
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  Speaker 1: to take over it. Like literally understanding the etiquette and
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  Speaker 1: the nuance of navigating each room and time and place
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  Speaker 1: and all of those things. That is the genius of
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  Speaker 1: going to in HBCU, because not only do you learn,
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  Speaker 1: and I think when you when you move out, Like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what it's like to commute to college.
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  Speaker 1: I've never community to college and so I can't speak
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  Speaker 1: to that, but I can speak to the experience of
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  Speaker 1: living on campus. So hbc you were not living on
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  Speaker 1: campus as a student like you talk about the new adults.
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  Speaker 2: It really grows you up.
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  Speaker 1: You learn so much about presentation, about you know, being prompt,
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  Speaker 1: about dealing with when you're not prompt, when you're not
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  Speaker 1: on time, about bill pay even at a small level
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  Speaker 1: of it's just yourself on bill, you know, making sure
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  Speaker 1: like eating and and setting a schedule for yourself discipline.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, friends, like just everything you learn so
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  Speaker 1: much about. It's like a trial one to conduct your
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  Speaker 1: real life living on campus at a HBCU. It is
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  Speaker 1: all of that, but there's also this like understated, like
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  Speaker 1: they don't even have to say it, even though they do.
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  Speaker 1: They're very intentional at HBCUs about telling you what they're
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  Speaker 1: prepping you for. Why so that you're aware and that
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  Speaker 1: you can understand who you are and how you're walking
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  Speaker 1: into the world. Things like this are just to keep
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  Speaker 1: you sharp. Now, there are a lot of people that
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  Speaker 1: are upset about this. I saw Essence in Essence. They
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  Speaker 1: have like a college platform that they do call Essence
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  Speaker 1: Girl or not college, but it's like younger, it's like
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  Speaker 1: gear toward, like the younger women of Essence. It's called
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  Speaker 1: Essence Girls United is for like gen Z and millennials,
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  Speaker 1: they call them. So they did like this whole kind
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  Speaker 1: of like an op ed breakdown, and they talked about
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  Speaker 1: respectability of politics. Right, so, reactability politics, they say, it's
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  Speaker 1: coined by historian Evelyn Brooks, and it was coined in
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  Speaker 1: Evelyn Brooks Higabotham in nineteen ninety three. Respectability politics refers
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  Speaker 1: to a set of beliefs that suggests conformity to prescribed
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  Speaker 1: mainstream standards of appearance and behavior can protect members of
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  Speaker 1: marginalized groups, particularly black people, from prejudice and systematic injustices.
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  Speaker 1: Respectability politics place blame on groups already impacted by discrimination,
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  Speaker 1: rather than addressing the systems that create inequality.
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  Speaker 2: Right, so then they continue.
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  Speaker 1: Respectability politics acts whether we look at respectability enough. Liberation
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  Speaker 1: acts why respect has to be earned in the first place.
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  Speaker 1: Black excellence has never lived in a dress code. It
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  Speaker 1: has always lived in our brilliance. The challenge is deciding
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  Speaker 1: whether presentation is a part of preserving that legacy or
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  Speaker 1: policing it. Now here's what I have to say about that,
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  Speaker 1: Black people, us, my people. I understand, you know, when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to things like dress codes and you know
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  Speaker 1: all of that. I think that there are certain things
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  Speaker 1: done in certain places to keep certain people out there
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  Speaker 1: are certain things that are put on you know, these
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  Speaker 1: the marginalized groups that Essence is speaking about, because they
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  Speaker 1: want to remind us of what we don't have, or
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  Speaker 1: you know, the difference, or just that there is a
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  Speaker 1: way to be viewed different because of how we dress.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Like, all of this stuff is like silently.
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  Speaker 1: Reminding us of things that they want us to look
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  Speaker 1: as different to a point where we can't operate in
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  Speaker 1: the same spaces, which is completely not true.
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  Speaker 2: But I think whether you're black, white, or brown or green,
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  Speaker 2: it's just.
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  Speaker 1: Certain ways you should not come out of the house pajamas,
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  Speaker 1: had scars, bondus.
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  Speaker 2: It's just a no.
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  Speaker 1: Like, I don't think that this is one of them
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  Speaker 1: things that we make all about race, especially not coming
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  Speaker 1: from our people.
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  Speaker 2: It would be I mean, and even I was gonna say, it.
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  Speaker 1: Would be completely different if this was a white school
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  Speaker 1: telling students that and specifically singling out black students, I
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  Speaker 1: would understand that. But even then I would say, you
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  Speaker 1: ain't supposed to be outside of that stuff anyway. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I want to read to you guys some of the
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  Speaker 1: responses to this from Essences Breakdown, Dragonfly Jones on I
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  Speaker 1: believe this is Twitter, says, I promise you when it
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  Speaker 1: was class presentation day or job fair, everybody on campus,
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  Speaker 1: everybody on my HBCU was showing up dress and extremely professional.
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  Speaker 2: These kids know when it's time to get starched. Increase.
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  Speaker 1: Who gives an f if they're wearing pajama pants to
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  Speaker 1: a Tuesday class at eight am?
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  Speaker 2: And even that. Let me talk to y'all for those
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  Speaker 2: who have not.
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  Speaker 1: Ever experienced in early class on the campus right or did,
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  Speaker 1: like I get it, especially if you out the night
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  Speaker 1: before or you up studying, doing homework or anything the
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  Speaker 1: night before, because again you're learning discipline. A lot of
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  Speaker 1: times you are rushing to get the class, but you
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  Speaker 1: throwing a hoodie, you throwing tight, you throwing a pair
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  Speaker 1: of jeans, a T shirt, sneaks.
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  Speaker 2: Like pajamas just was never like, I.
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  Speaker 1: Don't I don't know anybody who just would want to
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  Speaker 1: be out in the public in their pajamas unless your
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  Speaker 1: pajamas are giving like a look where like you know,
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  Speaker 1: they got they do have leisure athletic where like it
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  Speaker 1: looks like pajamas, but like it's a vibe.
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  Speaker 2: Shout out to Plastics NYC.
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  Speaker 1: They have a whole you know sets that you know, Like,
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  Speaker 1: I get that if it's fashion, that's one thing.
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  Speaker 2: Why do you want to be outsigning in pajamas?
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, My issue with us having pushed back against certain
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  Speaker 1: things that and making it about race is that regardless
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  Speaker 1: of your race, I think certain things should just be
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  Speaker 1: bare minimum for the like for people like if regardless
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  Speaker 1: of how much fun you're having at college, how comfortable
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  Speaker 1: you are there, how much it feels like home, college
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  Speaker 1: is a place of business.
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  Speaker 2: Your AGBCU is a place of business.
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  Speaker 1: You never know who you're walking into on campus, literally
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  Speaker 1: from alumni.
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  Speaker 2: On camp especially, like you go to certain schools, you can.
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  Speaker 1: Walk out and meet an executive from a corporation or
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  Speaker 1: whoever that could change your life. No, and that's how
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  Speaker 1: the world is. Like you walk out into the world
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  Speaker 1: never knowing who you're going to meet. How you prepare
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  Speaker 1: yourself is how you are received. And I understand the
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  Speaker 1: respectability politics, and I understand like your proximity, Like I
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  Speaker 1: feel like, you know, when people talk about HBCUs, A
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  Speaker 1: lot of times people will tell students not to go
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  Speaker 1: to HBCUs because when you go to colleges, they're like,
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  Speaker 1: you should basically put yourself in proximity of things that
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  Speaker 1: are looked at as like these great big things and
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  Speaker 1: people don't equate HBCUs and are alumni to that, which
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  Speaker 1: is fed up because we are that. But when you're
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  Speaker 1: talking about going to college, most of people are sending
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  Speaker 1: their school their kids to college, you know, not because
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  Speaker 1: they really think college you're going to get them the jobs.
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  Speaker 1: But it's like, it's about the relationships that you meet,
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  Speaker 1: the people you meet, the people you're in proximity of.
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  Speaker 2: Right, I understand all of that, But my point in
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  Speaker 2: all of this is.
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  Speaker 1: None of that matters if you're okay as a student
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  Speaker 1: or as a parent that is upset that this was
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  Speaker 1: sent to your student, if your kid is out there
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  Speaker 1: in l my pajamas in the proximity. Like, I just
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  Speaker 1: don't understand why we have such an issue with us
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  Speaker 1: setting a certain point of excellence for ourselves. Like I
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  Speaker 1: really don't get it. College is not just about getting
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  Speaker 1: up and going to class and getting your degree.
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  Speaker 2: It is.
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  Speaker 1: It's really not you get the most experienced and you
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  Speaker 1: make the most out of your relationships.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: Literally in between all of that, if I'm being honest, and.
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  Speaker 1: Who's to say, like I could meet someone in my
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: pajamas and they think that I'm the smartest, greatest person
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: and want to help me. Who sucided that's not somebody's life, right,
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: But let's think about what we're training ourselves to do,
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: be and think and why there is nothing racially insulting
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  Speaker 1: about saying, take that bond it off your head, take
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: that scarf off your head.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: I didn't wake up with you. Period.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: It's the same thing when you when you walking room
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  Speaker 1: and you don't speak to somebody instantly, I'd be like, oh,
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: that person wasn't like you know how that person was raised,
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: because my granlmould be like, I didn't wake up with
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  Speaker 1: you last night, good morning, Hello.
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  Speaker 2: There. Presentation matters, y'all.
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  Speaker 1: And if I'm being honest with y'all, I know that
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  Speaker 1: we love to push back about the rights and you know,
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: the spaces and all the things that we should have
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: as black people, But let's be honest about the fact
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  Speaker 1: that like we don't.
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  Speaker 2: We don't walk through the world the same way that
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  Speaker 2: other people do. We just don't. And it is an
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  Speaker 2: amazing thing.
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  Speaker 1: It is an asset is it is a strength that
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: can be used one hundred percent, but it is also
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: the reality that can be used against you at the
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: same damn time. I just want us to be really
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: aware of this because I'm seeing all of the discourse
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: around it, and I'm like, why is this an argument?
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: Y'all?
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Let me know if I'm tripping though, Okay, you guys,
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: let me know if I'm tripping. I want to hear
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: from y'all. Get in the streets, get into tweets. I
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: want to hear from you guys. I want to know
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: what's going on because I I mean, yeah, I saw
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: people online like if we'reing about oh, this girl's name
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: is Jay so famous she's in essence posted her as
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: a part of her thread too. She said, is where
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: if we're in a bond, is the difference between you
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: coming and not coming to class? Where at the bonnet,
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: Where at the pg's, where at the crop top. I'm
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: not about to create another barrier that will remove you
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: from learning. Come get this lesson. We'll discuss how you
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: should present to the outside world afterwards.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: Now even that I don't agree with.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: Now, it's different if certain things are all you have,
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: Like I understand that completely, because some people are at
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: these HBCUs busting there behind to even afford to be
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: able to wake up and get out of bed and
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: afford to walk down the campus, that's one thing. But
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: if you are making a choice to show up and
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: your presentation is not what it could potentially be, I
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: don't agree. I don't No one's asking you to come
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: with a four piece suit on, button down, and you
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean, Cuban links to every single class.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: They're just saying, y'all, put on a jeans and a
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: T shirt. Please take your scarf off, take you do
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: rag off. I don't see nothing wrong with it. And
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: this has been a thing at HBCUs.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: Y'all, this is not new.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: This has excellence in preparing you for the outside world
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: is literally the that is the mo of an HBCU
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: and not just from a I know how to turn
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: a book, answer question and handing an assignment perspective. Some
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: of the best people I know when it comes to
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: being able to talk their way through anything, show up
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: and really utilize their presence to get them through the
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: world when talent education may not do it are HBCU graduates.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: And you know why, because shout out to Lawasa University.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: We were literally put together, we were molded together.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Those four years.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Shoot, some of y'all was like ten twelve super seniors
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: to to.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: Leave bury Mark and the world and to have the
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: presence that we have, like.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: It's not listen, it's not on you, it's in you.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: And I understand that, but let's be very honest about
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: how the world views us as a marginalized community. The
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: people that are going to these HBCUs. Regardless of what
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: type of money, you come from, education, you come from, neighborhood,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: you come from black people, We're looked at as black
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: people period. That's why would everybody be trying to be like, yeah,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: people of color, Like, okay, everybody has their things. I
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: hope everybody gets through them. But black people the world
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: is a little bit different for us.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: And I don't.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Agree that you should do things that I don't even
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: like to say, do things that make it harder for
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: you because we don't pick and choose the systems that
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: we're in and how they're designed, and you know all
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: those things. But at the same time, I would never
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: tell somebody to power bricks on.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: No, ain't nothing wrong with you.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Taking that scarfall for a dang thirty and that's nothing
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: The classes be like thirty minutes.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: Sometimes y'all, come on, you can throw a hoodie on.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know, y'all, Maybe i'm i'm I'm conforming
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: to the respectability of policies.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: I really want to have this conversation.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Maybe we'll bring some HBCU grads and current HBC students
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: on the podcast because I really want to have this conversation.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: I really want to understand why anyone in their right
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: mind would even think that this is something to push
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: back on.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: Put them. Parents, have the conversation with your children.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Showing up in the world the right way is important,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: especially for young black kids. Okay, it can literally literally
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: and this is not a choice, and it's sad that
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: it has to be like this, but this is what
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: it is.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: It can literally be life or death for your children.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: We need to be honest with them about that. I'm
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: lon La Rosa.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: This has been another episode of the Latest with Lonla Rosa.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you, guys, every single episode, y'all could be
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: anywhere with any old body talking about all the things,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: but y'all choose to be right here with me, my
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: low riders and speaking of HBCUs Delaware State University, my
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: HBCU and just announced our second head to head game
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: with Norfolk State University. So DeShawn Jackson, who is the
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: football coach at Delaware State, will be facing off again
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: against Mike vict Hopefully we're gonna take the goal home
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: this time at the link at the link of Financial
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Field where the Eagles play in Philadelphia on October thirty first.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: That'll be going down, so y'all know I'm gonna be
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: I just had to plug that since we're doing all
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: this HBCU talk. Okay, shout out to my HBC you guys.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: I really want to hear from y'all. I know y'all
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: are vocal, so I know I will get in the
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: streets and tweets. Nor l Rosa I'll catch on my
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: next episode.