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Credlin | 28 September · Credlin

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  Speaker 1: Peter Credlin, live from News 24.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening. Welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up
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  Speaker 2: tonight on Credlin. The devil in the detail of Labor's
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  Speaker 2: extraordinary digital duty of care reforms. One real for you
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  Speaker 2: and me, another for the Commissioner. Getting free reign under
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  Speaker 2: these laws to use online bots to influence debate. Is
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  Speaker 2: that really what it's all about? More on that in
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  Speaker 2: a moment. One nation's poll surge continuing. Pauline Hanson now
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  Speaker 2: the PM of choice for anyone in Queensland as the
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  Speaker 2: party today calls on the government to establish new powers
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  Speaker 2: to target radical terrorism Islamic style. More on the latest
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  Speaker 2: fight too against reckless renewables in our regions and how
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  Speaker 2: a massive wind farm in the Yas Valley could threaten
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  Speaker 2: the work being done to support Australia's veterans. And tomorrow's
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  Speaker 2: predicted rate rise, if it happens, it'll be historic news.
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  Speaker 2: Mortgage holders copying the highest rates in two decades. But
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  Speaker 2: don't point the finger at the government.
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  Speaker 3: I think it is the universal or near universal expectation
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  Speaker 3: of economists and the market that rates will go up
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  Speaker 3: around the world, including in Australia.
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  Speaker 4: If you look around the world, advanced economies, there is
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  Speaker 4: an inflation challenge there. For us here, the war in
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  Speaker 4: the Middle East could not end soon enough.
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  Speaker 2: Get to the self-congratulatory Jim Chalmers and that budget update
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  Speaker 2: a little later in the show. But first, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: sure where to start tonight because I tell you, so
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  Speaker 2: many of the issues now are starting to really converge.
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  Speaker 2: News overnight out of the United Kingdom where a terror
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  Speaker 2: plot has been foiled. According to authorities, these five men
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  Speaker 2: were captured just outside RAF Base Fairford in southwest England
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  Speaker 2: where the allegation is they were attempting to detonate car
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  Speaker 2: bombs in in a mass casualty event. RAF Fairford is
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  Speaker 2: the UK base where at present the US Air Force
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  Speaker 2: launched their bombing raids on Iran. Reports are that a
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  Speaker 2: local tipped off police to the presence of the vans
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  Speaker 2: near the base on Sunday morning. But there are also
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  Speaker 2: other sources saying this was the work of intelligence agencies
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  Speaker 2: and that the base had already been put on Charlie Alert,
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  Speaker 2: which is the second highest threat level that can be
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  Speaker 2: issued by the US Department of Defence. And that was
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  Speaker 2: on Sunday, the day the attack was foiled.
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  Speaker 5: Do you know any more about the attack? Were these
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  Speaker 5: suspects migrants in the UK?
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  Speaker 6: Is there a connection to Iran?
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  Speaker 5: We know all about them and you'll be hearing about
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  Speaker 5: it very soon.
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  Speaker 3: We caught them.
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  Speaker 2: For months now, the Iranian regime has been calling on
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  Speaker 2: Muslims around the world to take up arms against the West.
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  Speaker 2: In Australia, we have this Melbourne man who goes by
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  Speaker 2: the name of Abu Ahmed who who's called on followers
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  Speaker 2: to take up arms against Christians and Jews, declaring, and
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  Speaker 2: I quote, the sake of Allah to take up arms
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  Speaker 2: against his enemies, to shun them and to stay far
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  Speaker 2: away from them in both word and deed. Abu Ahmed
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  Speaker 2: is a preacher at the Al Bayinya Islamic Centre in Springvale.
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  Speaker 2: The Sydney Morning Herald reports today that this Melbourne centre
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  Speaker 2: is connected to the Sydney-based preacher Wissam Haddad from the
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  Speaker 2: Al Medina Darwish Centre in Bankstown. And that's the centre
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  Speaker 2: that's linked to Bondi shooter, Naveed Akram. Now, you will
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  Speaker 2: remember Wissam Harad.
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  Speaker 7: By Allah, the day you will be kicked out of
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  Speaker 7: Palestine is coming.
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  Speaker 8: A day when the stones and the trees will speak
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  Speaker 8: and say, O Muslim, there is a Jew behind me.
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  Speaker 6: Come and kill him.
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  Speaker 2: And you'd ask yourself, what's being done to deal with
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  Speaker 2: Abu Ahmed or Harad in the light of this hate preaching? Well,
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  Speaker 2: absolutely nothing. That's what. Here's a report on this group
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  Speaker 2: from ABC Four Corners in April last year. It says
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  Speaker 2: Harad rapidly expanded the Al-Madinah Dawa Centre, turbocharging his online
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  Speaker 2: influence and re-energised a national pro-IS, so Islamic State Network,
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  Speaker 2: which now includes an affiliated presence in Melbourne, the Al-Bayinya
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  Speaker 2: Islamic Centre. Associate Professor John Roos from Deakin University told
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  Speaker 2: the Sydney Morning Herald that effectively HUD had set up
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  Speaker 2: an outpost in Melbourne. See why the online threat environment
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  Speaker 2: is so elevated in Australia? Because your child doesn't even
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  Speaker 2: need to go anywhere near these radical men. They can
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  Speaker 2: get to them online, in the bedroom at home and
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  Speaker 2: radicalise them fast. Said Professor Roos, if authorities don't crack
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  Speaker 2: down on these centres as soon as they emerge, then
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  Speaker 2: we are inviting quite literally extremists, Salafists, jihadist Islam into
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  Speaker 2: the suburbs. Only last week we covered here the arrest
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  Speaker 2: of 65-year-old Somali man, now Australian citizen, Mohamed Bakit, arrested
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  Speaker 2: by police for allegedly being a member of the Islamic
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  Speaker 2: State regime and for his online dissemination of horrific terrorist
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  Speaker 2: content and propaganda. Bakid was arrested by the AFP and
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  Speaker 2: countered terrorism police in Melbourne. Now take a close look
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  Speaker 2: at these images and note what you see. A man
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  Speaker 2: who authorities say is a member of a terrorist organisation, uncuffed,
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  Speaker 2: escorted by two police only. Compare that with the arrest
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  Speaker 2: of war hero Ben Robert Smith on the tarmac in Sydney,
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  Speaker 2: flanked by a small army of police and then handcuffed.
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  Speaker 2: I know the conventional wisdom is that cost of living
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  Speaker 2: is what drives support away from Labor, but that's only
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  Speaker 2: half the story. Many people will list this as an
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  Speaker 2: issue because Labor is spending your money wastefully and that's
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  Speaker 2: driving up inflation and that hurts everyone, not least of
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  Speaker 2: all those paying rent or paying a mortgage, because if
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  Speaker 2: it hits tomorrow with another hike, That takes interest rates
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  Speaker 2: to a 15-year high. So yes, cost of living, it's real,
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  Speaker 2: but it's not the whole of it. When people talk
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  Speaker 2: about immigration as being another big priority for them, what
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  Speaker 2: they're really talking about is concern they have about the
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  Speaker 2: cultural makeup of this country. Yes, it is about the numbers,
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  Speaker 2: but it's also critically the sort of people we are
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  Speaker 2: letting in. In the last couple of days, the Italian
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  Speaker 2: Prime Minister, Giorgia Maloney, has drawn a line in the
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  Speaker 2: sand on radical Islam, banning face coverings in schools and
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  Speaker 2: putting a per-class cap on non-Italian speaking students and a
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  Speaker 2: bid to stop the erosion of Italian culture.
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  Speaker 4: There is also an obligation for parents of foreign students
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  Speaker 4: with serious problems of school enrollment to learn Italian and
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  Speaker 4: introduces the ban on burqa and niqab at school.
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  Speaker 2: In Paris on the weekend, there were these extraordinary scenes
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  Speaker 2: of almost one million young people attending an open air
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  Speaker 2: mass led by Pope Leo. Now, France is a famously
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  Speaker 2: secular society. While Catholicism is, at least for the moment,
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  Speaker 2: the most practiced religion, the majority of the population identifies
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  Speaker 2: either atheist or agnostic. meaning a lot of Francophile commentators
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  Speaker 2: have interpreted this weekend's mass as a show of strength
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  Speaker 2: against the growing influence of Islam in the French Republic
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  Speaker 2: and as a pushback against the acts of terrorism we've
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  Speaker 2: seen there, the murdering of priests and the burning of
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  Speaker 2: Christian churches. Here in Australia, we're almost the polar opposite,
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  Speaker 2: aren't we? We've got security agencies talking about religious extremism
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  Speaker 2: rather than say the words radical Islam, as if somehow
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  Speaker 2: it's the Catholics and the Anglicans, the Hindus and the
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  Speaker 2: Buddhists that want death to the infidels. Well, they don't.
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  Speaker 2: Where Christ preached love and urged followers to turn the
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  Speaker 2: other cheek, radical Islam urges jihad. In the parliament, Albanese
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  Speaker 2: is far more likely to rail against neo-Nazis than he
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  Speaker 2: is against the hate preachers in mosques and Islamic organisations
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  Speaker 2: that his government openly funds with taxpayer money. In July,
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  Speaker 2: the Prime Minister announced a $ 66 million package to fight
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  Speaker 2: so-called Islamophobia. And yet I've never, ever visited a mosque
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  Speaker 2: or an Islamic school that needs the same level of
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  Speaker 2: security that our Jewish Australians live under every single day.
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  Speaker 2: We'll cross live to the UK for the latest in
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  Speaker 2: those foiled terror plots tonight, but already there's a fierce
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  Speaker 2: debate there about how this would-be terror attack is being
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  Speaker 2: reported with a lack of information about the legal status
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  Speaker 2: and ethnicity of the men arrested. That's a key part
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  Speaker 2: of the left's game, to deny you information that once
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  Speaker 2: was commonplace. And I want to stay with that word
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  Speaker 2: information and the Prime Minister's censorship, his big brother legislation.
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  Speaker 7: The truth is this is having an impact on our
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  Speaker 7: entire society and how it functions with misinformation, disinformation, with
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  Speaker 7: the increased polarisation that we're seeing as well in the
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  Speaker 7: political system where people are moving away from the centre
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  Speaker 7: and more and more to the extremes, be they of
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  Speaker 7: the left or the right. This isn't about government control
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  Speaker 7: at all. It's not about misinformation or disinformation. I didn't
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  Speaker 7: link the two yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: It cannot lie straight, can it? What a fraud. Labor
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  Speaker 2: has taken, Albanese has taken Labor to record lows in
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  Speaker 2: the polls. His personal ratings are in the toilet. His
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  Speaker 2: only comfort at the moment is that the majority vote
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  Speaker 2: against him is split on the right between One Nation
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  Speaker 2: and the Coalition. But don't underestimate how seriously he's taking
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  Speaker 2: this challenge to his grip on power. That's what's driving
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  Speaker 2: Labor's digital duty of care legislation. Albanese wants the bill
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  Speaker 2: passed through the Parliament and up and running before the
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  Speaker 2: next election so he can control the information you receive
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  Speaker 2: before you go to the polls next time. Don't be fooled.
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  Speaker 2: It's not about protecting anyone online. We already have the
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  Speaker 2: laws we need to deal with online terrorism and online
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  Speaker 2: child exploitation as recent arrests amply show. This is about
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  Speaker 2: creating a whole new category of so-called harmful content, with
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  Speaker 2: the definition of harmful content to be decided by the minister.
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  Speaker 2: But harmful isn't necessarily illegal, because if it was illegal,
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  Speaker 2: we would already have laws to ban it. I believe
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  Speaker 2: that this is about stopping the discussion we've just had
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  Speaker 2: about radical Islam, for example, or information I brought to
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  Speaker 2: you most nights in my fight against the voice of
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  Speaker 2: That's what they will shortly deem as harmful in order
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  Speaker 2: to shut it down. But it gets worse. And I
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  Speaker 2: am indebted here to the US author Michael Schellenberger for
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  Speaker 2: his revelations over the weekend. In Labor's digital duty of
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  Speaker 2: care bill is new laws to allow the e-safety commissioner
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  Speaker 2: to create fake online accounts and to generate material using
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  Speaker 2: AI while operating those accounts. Australians will think these accounts
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  Speaker 2: are real, that they're real human beings behind them, but
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  Speaker 2: they will be government created, so-called sock puppet identities, sock
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  Speaker 2: puppet identities. That's how the bill defines them, fake identities,
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  Speaker 2: all with AI. It's in the bill, literally on pages
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  Speaker 2: 62 and 63. Now, this is precisely what happened in
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  Speaker 2: the 2016 US presidential election, where similar fake accounts were
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  Speaker 2: this time generated by the Russian government, pumped out misinformation
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  Speaker 2: and disinformation, as later revealed in US Senate hearings. Now,
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  Speaker 2: why on earth would our federal government need to create
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  Speaker 2: fake online accounts? What on earth could be the justification
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  Speaker 2: to give the eSafety Commissioner these powers? After all, the
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  Speaker 2: government can create legitimate accounts now. So why the need
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  Speaker 2: for these AI-manufactured fake accounts? You join the dots. See
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  Speaker 2: what is happening here. Labor's duty of care legislation is
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  Speaker 2: without a doubt the most radical assault on free speech
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  Speaker 2: in this country that we have ever seen. And the
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  Speaker 2: more and more we learn, the worse it gets. All right,
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  Speaker 2: let's get the headlines out of Canberra now with our
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  Speaker 2: political reporter, Cam Redden.
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  Speaker 9: Good evening.
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  Speaker 10: The final budget outcome shows a $ 6 billion improvement to
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  Speaker 10: the bottom line, driven largely by businesses and super funds
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  Speaker 10: paying more tax.
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  Speaker 3: This is not about wage and salary earners. It's not
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  Speaker 3: about commodity prices.
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  Speaker 10: Public demand or government spending grew by 2.2% for the
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  Speaker 10: financial year. That's the slowest rate in more than a decade.
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  Speaker 10: Treasurer Jim Chalmers is rejecting suggestions he needs to tighten
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  Speaker 10: his belt even further.
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  Speaker 3: We have found well over $ 100 billion in savings. Governments
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  Speaker 3: always have to balance the different considerations in the economy.
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  Speaker 1: We know the title, but there's not a lot of
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  Speaker 1: light there for hardworking Australians.
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  Speaker 10: The government continues to meet with tech giant OpenAI to
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  Speaker 10: get to the bottom of last week's cyber incident.
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  Speaker 4: I had a briefing from Services Australia this morning. They
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  Speaker 4: have all the technical information they need, but there is
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  Speaker 4: some further information that's still being sought.
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  Speaker 11: I mean, what we've seen just in the last week
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  Speaker 11: is the first cyber attack by an autonomous AI agent
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  Speaker 11: on the Australian government.
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  Speaker 9: And this is a new world, Kieran.
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  Speaker 10: Cameron Redden, News24, Canberra.
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  Speaker 2: I think he's got to say there it's the first
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  Speaker 2: that they've actually caught or been told about. I thought
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  Speaker 2: it would be the first. Let's get into all the
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  Speaker 2: issues now with News 24 political contributor Chris Ullman. Chris,
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  Speaker 2: I want to start with that digital duty of care
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  Speaker 2: legislation and those insights that I picked up on the
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  Speaker 2: weekend from the writer and author Michael Schellenberger. The law
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  Speaker 2: actually has, I couldn't believe the words were right, sock puppets.
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  Speaker 2: It's written in there. It gives the government power to
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  Speaker 2: create these anonymous puppets fake accounts, these AI bots, and
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  Speaker 2: there's powers written into the legislation. It's all there. Couldn't
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  Speaker 2: be clearer. I've looked at it all myself. You've got
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  Speaker 2: to wonder why on earth they need this. The last
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  Speaker 2: time we heard about these bots online, it was Russia
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  Speaker 2: and it was a big issue in the US election.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, Peter, it's not just the eSafety Commissioner herself.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously, she can delegate that power and she can delegate
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  Speaker 1: that power to any number.
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  Speaker 9: It would appear, of researchers and they are able to.
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  Speaker 1: Create any number of identities and they would be immune
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  Speaker 1: from civil prosecution if sites did demand that people declare
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  Speaker 1: their identity and the eSafety Commissioner did not do that.
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  Speaker 1: What about the job of the eSafety Commissioner on that site?
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  Speaker 1: There would be no way that site could prosecute her
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  Speaker 1: or her agency and I know that they'll come back
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  Speaker 1: and they will say that this, of course, is not unusual,
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  Speaker 1: that there are other agencies of government which can essentially
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  Speaker 1: work behind the scenes, that the police do it, that
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  Speaker 1: they can tap phones and those sorts of things. However,
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  Speaker 1: there's oversight in those cases. I see nothing in this
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  Speaker 1: bill that does that. So they don't have to get
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  Speaker 1: a warrant to do this. It can be off the
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  Speaker 1: eSafety Commissioner's own bat. There seems to be no oversight
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  Speaker 1: at all. So I think that if this law does
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  Speaker 1: go ahead, what we need to ask is, well, how
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  Speaker 1: many of these can be created? Who gets to decide
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  Speaker 1: how they're created? Who keeps the records of them? And
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  Speaker 1: what oversight is there of the eSafety Commissioner in this?
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  Speaker 1: And by the way, she herself criticised this practice before
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  Speaker 1: a House of Commons committee back in 2021. So I
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  Speaker 1: think a lot of questions to be asked about this.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's really disturbing and you make the
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  Speaker 2: right point. I remember working government and warrants being issued.
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  Speaker 2: There's a whole process, multiple sign-offs, there's judge oversight, there's
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  Speaker 2: a whole independent body inside government to basically audit our
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  Speaker 2: intelligence agencies beyond the veil to keep everything secret, of course,
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  Speaker 2: but to ensure that only what is absolutely necessary gets
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  Speaker 2: the cover of the confidentiality we give government. But this
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  Speaker 2: is extraordinary. I mean, this is in a wholly different realm.
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  Speaker 2: And where is the reporting? Where is the oversight? Why
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  Speaker 2: do we even need them? I can't fathom that. I
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  Speaker 2: went back through the EM, Chris, and I can't work
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  Speaker 2: out the argument for them in the first place.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm assuming that they'll say intelligence gathering and my.
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  Speaker 9: Argument would be, well, who watches the watchdog?
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  Speaker 1: We can't just have any agency of government deciding how
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  Speaker 1: many of these things it can create and imagine that
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  Speaker 1: it might not at some stage be used maliciously and
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  Speaker 1: by the way I have no confidence in government's agencies
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  Speaker 1: anymore not to do their own harm and if anyone
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  Speaker 1: says where's the evidence for that well I point to
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  Speaker 1: chief medical officers during COVID who had lockdowns long past
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  Speaker 1: the time when any of that was worthwhile that was
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  Speaker 1: the best possible the best possible advice that they had
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  Speaker 1: to give government was very very bad advice and let's
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  Speaker 1: move on to the sex discrimination commissioner who has helped
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  Speaker 1: to redefine what is a man and a woman in Australia,
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  Speaker 1: which I think will do enormous harm to women in Australia.
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  Speaker 1: So I have no confidence in the agencies of government
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  Speaker 1: to do their job without doing harm. And if it's
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  Speaker 1: going to happen, I want to see someone providing some
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  Speaker 1: oversight and some transparency to what it is they're actually doing.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I reckon NewsPoll and the data in relation to
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  Speaker 2: One Nation, of course, we saw it today, 36% of
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  Speaker 2: those in Queensland want Pauline Hanson as Prime Minister. She's
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  Speaker 2: leading the Prime Minister. 36 is the primary vote. This
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  Speaker 2: is right across the board, though. WA is strongly their way.
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  Speaker 2: New South Wales is headed their way as well. You know,
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  Speaker 2: the Prime Minister tries to, you know, pretend that One
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  Speaker 2: Nation is not a threat for Labor. Well, clearly it is.
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  Speaker 2: The only thing that saves them at the moment is
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  Speaker 2: the vote on the centre-right is split between the coalition
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  Speaker 2: and and One Nation. But Labor's primary is in the toilet.
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  Speaker 2: The PM's deeply, deeply unpopular. Couldn't even front the AFL
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  Speaker 2: grand final, as prime ministers do on the weekend. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: it was a bit about Kylie Minogue, but it was
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  Speaker 2: absolutely about him not being able to stomach being booed,
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  Speaker 2: as he would have been booed by that crowd. I
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  Speaker 2: don't think Pauline Hanson is going to come off these
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  Speaker 2: sort of numbers. I think they're locking in. They're locking
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  Speaker 2: in for a long time, Chris.
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  Speaker 1: Well, she seems to be locking in around about 30%
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  Speaker 1: of the vote and that's been held up and we
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  Speaker 1: have seen it put to the test at actual elections.
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  Speaker 1: So this is a phenomenon that's not going to go away.
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  Speaker 1: I can't get over those numbers when I look, though,
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  Speaker 1: where the coalition is. That's my starting point, which is
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  Speaker 1: like a 13% vote in South Australia.
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  Speaker 9: You're joking, right?
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  Speaker 1: But we know that's the case because we just saw
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  Speaker 1: the last election there. They signal some danger for the
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  Speaker 1: Labor Party, but they're an existential threat to the National Party.
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  Speaker 9: And the Liberal Party.
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  Speaker 1: And when I've travelled through regional Australia, that's certainly the
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  Speaker 1: message that I'm getting, is that there's great fear in the.
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  Speaker 9: National Party there.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: But there should be real concern inside government. We're a
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: long way out from the next election. These numbers need
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: to hold up in order to threaten Anthony Albanese in
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: any way. But the closer we get to that... poll,
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: as more Labor backbenchers start looking at their own margins
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: and their own seats, we know what happens. Nervous backbenchers
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: are bad news for a Prime Minister.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: What about the Treasurer today? I mean, basically patting himself
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: on the back that the deficit's gone from $ 28 billion
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: to $ 22 billion. It's still $ 22 billion that it shouldn't be.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: It should be in the black. It shouldn't be in
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: the red. We've got debt at about $ 1 trillion. We
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: know that the borrowings that we had under COVID and
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: added to by the government are only going to get
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: more expensive as that money is refinanced. We've got predictions
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: of a rate rise tomorrow. They're saying now two, maybe
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: three more rate rises to come. That's already at a
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: 15-year high if we get one tomorrow, Chris. People are really,
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: really struggling. The reports I read this morning are that
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: a lot of people are spending half of their income
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: on their rent or on their mortgage. This is not
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: sustainable when government is spending what it is and government
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: is driving inflation, not punters anymore.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Well, Peter, I think you could say that so far
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Jim Chalmers' entire career is defined by victories over imaginary numbers.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: He's the Don Quixote of economics in Australia because what
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: have we seen today?
• 21:08
  Speaker 9: We've seen that an estimate.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Provided by Treasury about where the budget would land came
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: in $ 6 billion better than expected. It's still a $ 22
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: billion deficit. We still have $ 1 trillion left.
• 21:19
  Speaker 9: Worth of debt.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Those figures have been getting steadily worse under this Treasurer
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: and his intergenerational report shows that there's no sign of
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: us getting out of this for the next 40 so
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: even by his own numbers he is condemned, but he
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: always picks some number out of the hat, which is,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: in the words of Kelsey, insulting to the intelligence of
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: ordinary Australians. They feel the pain every day. They see
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: the pain, what happens to their bank balances and the
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: cost of living, the high electricity prices, the high mortgage
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: payments that they have to pay, and they hear the
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: rhetoric of the Treasurer and they measure the gap between
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: those two things So is it any wonder the credibility
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: of the government is falling?
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: This is where I looked at the Compass polling today
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: and I thought this is really telling, Chris. This comes down,
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: I think, to not just reliability of power but the
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: cost of power. When everyone had drunk the Kool-Aid on
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: climate change and thought they could have action without any
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: personal cost, you know, support for renewables was high. They
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: were promised that they were cheap, that they were readily available,
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: that they wouldn't do anything to baseload capacity. Well, we
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: all know that's bollocks. People now, 90% of people now
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: say we want transparency on the subsidies that are given
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: to wind and solar. And they also now are almost 50%
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: disposed to coal and gas, 49.8%. That's up from 21%
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: only a couple of years ago. 64% of Australians want coal,
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: gas or nuclear as well. This is a big change
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: in mood.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Well, Peter, what they want is what the government promised
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: that they would get in 2022, and that is cheap
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: and reliable electricity. The government went to that election promising
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: that it had a plan to bring price of electricity
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: down and what we've seen then is it's gone up
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: and we've seen the same thing around the world. Wherever wind,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: solar and batteries come to dominate or become a much
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: larger part of any grid, as night follows day, the
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: price of electricity rises.
• 23:23
  Speaker 9: We've seen it in Germany, we've seen it in the UK,
• 23:25
  Speaker 9: we've seen it in.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: California and the highest electricity prices in Australia at the
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: moment are in South Australia. And the only measure that
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: we need about where prices are headed is the retail
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: electricity bill. No modelling that anyone tells you about matters
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: anything at all.
• 23:39
  Speaker 9: We've got the modelling.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: We're doing the surgery now on our grid and we
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: can see the results. And so we're beggaring the country.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: We're beggaring our people because of it. But we are
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: destroying energy intensive businesses. And if I can go back
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: to that intergenerational report, that thing was such a work
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: of fiction that it said that having more wind and
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: solar on the grid was going to help energy-intensive industries.
• 24:02
  Speaker 9: What have we seen while this has been happening?
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Constant bailouts of things like Tomago, our aluminium smelting.
• 24:09
  Speaker 9: And there are a host of examples.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: It is destroying industry in Australia, not assisting it. Anyone
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: who says anything else is lying to you.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: You're not wrong, Chris. Thank you. We'll catch up with
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: you next week. Let's go now to the UK and
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: the foiled terror plot there overnight. Significant questions, of course,
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: for the new Burnham government. Here was the US president
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: addressing the situation.
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: The arrest in the UK was fantastic. Working with Britain,
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: it was an amazing job. We had them under investigation.
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: They were looking to do big damage to our fort.
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: And working with the British worked out great.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Were they migrants?
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: It may have been Scotland Yard.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: We worked with a lot of them. We had them
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: under view for a long time and we got them.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: Joining us now to discuss this, editor of Spiked Online,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Tom Slater. Tom, thank you for your time. Look, this
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: has made news right around the world. The allegation is,
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: of course, pertaining to car bombs, truck bombs. We saw
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: imagery of those white vans just outside the perimeter of
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: the base. Of course, the base, all bases are important,
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: but this one is where the US Air Force come
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: and go in their bombing raids in Iran. We've seen
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: the mullahs in Iran and the IRGC demand around the
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: world that arms are taken up against the West. And
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: we'll get to the identity of these individuals in a moment.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: But how's it playing out in Britain today?
• 25:37
  Speaker 12: Well, there is this strange kind of silence which has
• 25:41
  Speaker 12: engulfed this particular story, because you're absolutely right. When it
• 25:44
  Speaker 12: comes to attempted or alleged terror plots. It doesn't get
• 25:48
  Speaker 12: much more serious than this. Five individuals who have already
• 25:51
  Speaker 12: been arrested on explosives and terrorism charges, three white vans
• 25:56
  Speaker 12: which were probed at by an explosives robot, actually controlled
• 26:01
  Speaker 12: explosions heard in the distance by reporters. So there's plenty
• 26:04
  Speaker 12: more to learn there, I'm sure. And seemingly a level
• 26:06
  Speaker 12: of sophistication as well. One of the eyewitnesses pointed out
• 26:09
  Speaker 12: the fact that there was a kind of fake company
• 26:11
  Speaker 12: name on the side of the van. So there was
• 26:13
  Speaker 12: a fake phone number that was actually a digit missing.
• 26:16
  Speaker 12: So ultimately, clearly, this was something which had a sufficient
• 26:19
  Speaker 12: level of planning, not the kind of way in which
• 26:21
  Speaker 12: we've seen domestic terror in this country and many others
• 26:23
  Speaker 12: in recent years, which is quite low grade, quite lo-fi
• 26:27
  Speaker 12: attacks which are inspired from afar rather than potentially coordinated
• 26:31
  Speaker 12: from afar. Of course, the reason that the government is
• 26:33
  Speaker 12: keeping Sturm, or at least their point that they make, understandably,
• 26:36
  Speaker 12: is that they don't want to speculate. They don't want
• 26:38
  Speaker 12: to interfere with what is now a counter-terror investigation. But
• 26:42
  Speaker 12: when the stakes are this high, when the potential plot
• 26:46
  Speaker 12: looks this serious, I don't think that's going to be enough,
• 26:48
  Speaker 12: certainly for Andy Burnham or the rest of the government
• 26:50
  Speaker 12: to get through this day without giving us a little
• 26:52
  Speaker 12: bit more of a sense of what has happened here.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Do we have any more information on the identities of
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: the individuals, ethnicity, legal status? Because I saw a number
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: of ministers pursued about that and they dodged the issue
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: at every opportunity. Now, surely British citizens are entitled to
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: the information about who these individuals were, where they come from.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Are they UK citizens? Are they recent arrivals? What more
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: do we know?
• 27:22
  Speaker 12: That's such an important point because the government is always
• 27:24
  Speaker 12: so cagey on these particular questions. What we do have
• 27:27
  Speaker 12: as of right now is a photograph which appears to
• 27:29
  Speaker 12: have been taken at the scene. It's been verified by
• 27:32
  Speaker 12: various media outlets. of five men seemingly of Middle Eastern
• 27:37
  Speaker 12: extraction who are handcuffed on the ground. Again, this is
• 27:41
  Speaker 12: something which the government is not pushing back on the
• 27:43
  Speaker 12: authenticity of the image. Also one of the eyewitnesses who
• 27:46
  Speaker 12: was a farmer local to the area who seems to
• 27:49
  Speaker 12: have been the one who raised the alarm about this
• 27:50
  Speaker 12: shockingly just happened across these men with their white vans
• 27:54
  Speaker 12: and their all black outfits. She again described their appearance
• 27:57
  Speaker 12: as Middle Eastern and in the context of tens of
• 28:00
  Speaker 12: thousands of people continuing to stream into the country, via
• 28:04
  Speaker 12: the small boats, but not exclusively, illegally. And the fact
• 28:07
  Speaker 12: that so far we have already had instances in which
• 28:09
  Speaker 12: people who have broken into the country have launched attacks
• 28:14
  Speaker 12: of one form or another. It does underline, even though
• 28:17
  Speaker 12: we don't know anything about the motivation or the actual
• 28:20
  Speaker 12: identity of these men yet, that there is clearly a big,
• 28:24
  Speaker 12: enormous national security hole where the border is concerned. And
• 28:27
  Speaker 12: that's something that is going to be in front of
• 28:29
  Speaker 12: many people in Britain's minds this morning.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: I guess, you know, we can say what we think
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: they look like, but we don't know. We had the situation, Tom,
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: in Australia in relation to the Bondi massacre. One of
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: the individuals was a permanent resident of Australia, had been
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: here for 30-some years without ever becoming a citizen, so foreign-born, foreign-raised.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: But the other person, the other shooter involved, he was
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: born in Australia. Yes, has that ethnicity, but we grew...
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: what police will allege is this terrorist here in our country.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: And that's just as much a concern, particularly here. And
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: today in Australia, we're having conversations about some of our
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: radical mosques and some of our radical preachers, a problem
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: that you share as well.
• 29:17
  Speaker 9: Oh, no, absolutely.
• 29:18
  Speaker 12: I mean, when it comes to the domestic terror threat,
• 29:21
  Speaker 12: you're kind of getting it from all different directions. That
• 29:23
  Speaker 12: is the scope for basic people to come to this
• 29:26
  Speaker 12: country purely to inflict damage upon it. We saw the
• 29:29
  Speaker 12: first kind of post-October 7th terror attack we saw. It's
• 29:32
  Speaker 12: been kind of memory hold now, was in Hartlepool, committed
• 29:35
  Speaker 12: by a Moroccan asylum seeker, so inspired by October 7th, disgustingly,
• 29:39
  Speaker 12: that he decided, to stab a number of people in
• 29:42
  Speaker 12: that city in the northeast. And also just historically, we've
• 29:45
  Speaker 12: seen a number of terror attacks linked to recent arrivals
• 29:47
  Speaker 12: of asylum seekers.
• 29:48
  Speaker 9: But you're absolutely right.
• 29:49
  Speaker 12: There is also a homegrown element here and something that,
• 29:52
  Speaker 12: to go back to the Islamic Republic, the Iranian state,
• 29:55
  Speaker 12: something that they've been looking to ferment, particularly since October
• 29:59
  Speaker 12: the 7th and particularly since the Iran war began, whether
• 30:02
  Speaker 12: that was trying to radicalise Muslims to commit attacks and
• 30:06
  Speaker 12: also just to kind of pick off low-level criminals and
• 30:10
  Speaker 12: trying to commission them to commit vandalism attacks against synagogues,
• 30:13
  Speaker 12: which is something that we've also seen a space of
• 30:15
  Speaker 12: in recent times. So the threat couldn't be more serious
• 30:18
  Speaker 12: and yet increasingly we have a political class which is
• 30:21
  Speaker 12: cagey about even really talking about this issue in public,
• 30:23
  Speaker 12: which surely is not good.
• 30:24
  Speaker 9: Enough right now.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: I'll leave it there, Tom. Thank you. All right, before
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: we go to the break, I want to draw attention
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: to the dangers our volunteer firefighters face around Australia as
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: we head into the warmer months. I was on the
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: phone yesterday to former PM Tony Abbott. He told me
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: he had a bit of a skirmish with his fire
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: brigade on the weekend. Well, it was a bit more
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: than that. It was a planned hazard reduction burn, but
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: it escaped containment lines, he said. It destroyed several homes
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: and wiped out a fire truck. badly damaged another. I
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: think we've got an image to show you that the
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: truck is completely gone. They got out okay. No one
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: was harmed, although one of the firefighters, he told me,
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: was in hospital overnight with smoke inhalation. But this is
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: a shout out to all our volunteer firefighters around the country.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: We are indebted to you. And I'll say in Victoria again,
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: you should not be paying a levy if you have
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: to fight the fires and give up protecting your own
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: place and You don't pay a levy on top of that.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: That's why you need a change of government in Victoria.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: But we'll leave that for another day. All right, quick
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: break after the break. James Patterson on the 30,000 people
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: who came on the boats under Labor and who now
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: have the right to stay here forever. Welcome back. Very
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: quietly today, Labor, well, the news has seeped out today
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: that Labor has handed out some 30,000 permanent visas to
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: people who arrived by boat in the infamous Rudd-Gillard government era. Now,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: all of them now, even though not yet Australian citizens,
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: are eligible to line up for welfare, something that if elected,
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: the coalition would end. Now, these people used to get
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: temporary protection visas, TPVs, They were told if they came
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: here illegally, they would never get a permanent outcome. But
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: they've certainly got now what the people smugglers had sold
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: to them, and that's a real worry. Let's bring in
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: my next guest, Senator James Patterson, Shadow Minister for Defence
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: for the Coalition. I'll get to the terror plot in
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: the UK in a moment, James, but, you know, President
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: Yudhoyono famously told John Howard, the only way you're going
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: to stop the boats is if you take the sugar
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: off the table. You have to create a regime that
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: if people get to Australia, they don't get what the
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: people smugglers sold them, and that's a permanent life in
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: this country. But that's exactly what Labor has now given them.
• 32:54
  Speaker 11: That's exactly right, Peter. And no one knows this history
• 32:56
  Speaker 11: better than you. But a very brief recap for your viewers.
• 33:00
  Speaker 11: In the lead up to the 2013 election, when Tony
• 33:02
  Speaker 11: Abbott had put an enormous amount of pressure on Labor
• 33:05
  Speaker 11: over their border protection failures, Labor panics, brings Kevin Rudd
• 33:10
  Speaker 11: back as Prime Minister, and he makes a commitment. that
• 33:12
  Speaker 11: anybody who arrives here by boat will never settle permanently
• 33:15
  Speaker 11: in Australia. And just to make sure that commitment is
• 33:18
  Speaker 11: crystal clear, his government takes out newspaper advertisements in Southeast
• 33:23
  Speaker 11: Asian nations newspapers, full page advertisements, which make this commitment
• 33:27
  Speaker 11: very clear. Now, for the best part of a decade,
• 33:30
  Speaker 11: the next coalition government, which restored those settings, those successful
• 33:34
  Speaker 11: deterrent settings, kept that promise. They did not grant these
• 33:37
  Speaker 11: people visas. But now, in their wisdom, with Tony Burke
• 33:40
  Speaker 11: again having another disastrous go at being migration minister, they've
• 33:44
  Speaker 11: given those people who they promised they never would allow
• 33:47
  Speaker 11: to settle permanently, effectively permanent visas and a pathway to citizenship.
• 33:51
  Speaker 11: This is an incredibly reckless thing to do. It risks
• 33:54
  Speaker 11: going back to those bad old days when 50,000 people
• 33:57
  Speaker 11: arrived in just six years because right now people smugglers
• 34:01
  Speaker 11: and their victims will think that the Australian government is weak,
• 34:04
  Speaker 11: that we'll back down and you'll get a pathway to
• 34:06
  Speaker 11: permanent citizenship in Australia.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: And as I said, James, it means welfare, it means
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: family reunion rights and more. So it's not just 30,000 people,
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: it's 30,000 individuals and however many they want to apply
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: to bring here to Australia. When I first heard the
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: news of what occurred overnight with this foiled terror plot
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: in the UK near a military base, I went straight
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: to that interrogation by your colleague, Senator Jess Collins, in
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Estimates recently where she looked at I guess, concern she
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: has about security around our own military bases. Have a listen.
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: This is a company that we give how many billions
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: of dollars to, to provide security for our personnel, and
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: you won't tell me where they're based.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: So the front company we often see at the bases,
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: of course, is Wilson Security, but there's a parent company
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: and there's a whole other company backstory behind that company
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: that we're not allowed to hear about, or certainly we
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: didn't get the evidence out of estimates. Given what we
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: saw in the UK, is this a concern for you, James?
• 35:15
  Speaker 11: Unfortunately, Jess's concerns have been vindicated by these events in
• 35:19
  Speaker 11: the United Kingdom and also by events in our own country.
• 35:22
  Speaker 11: There was an incursion at RAF Bay Star when someone
• 35:25
  Speaker 11: allegedly gained access, assaulted a service member and allegedly stole
• 35:28
  Speaker 11: a vehicle before leaving. And of course, other reports that
• 35:31
  Speaker 11: we have regular drone incursions, including at some of our
• 35:34
  Speaker 11: most sensitive RAF bases. I think we have to realise
• 35:38
  Speaker 11: the dangerous strategic environment we're living in. We have threats
• 35:41
  Speaker 11: from a range of different actors, including hostile nation states,
• 35:44
  Speaker 11: but also extremist Islamist organisations that would love nothing more
• 35:49
  Speaker 11: than to do us harm. And they'd particularly love to
• 35:51
  Speaker 11: do us harm on a joint US-Australian base, as they
• 35:54
  Speaker 11: appear to have tried to have done on this joint
• 35:56
  Speaker 11: US-UK base over in the United Kingdom. And so we
• 35:59
  Speaker 11: need to radically step up our base security so these
• 36:02
  Speaker 11: incidents stop happening and we keep our service personnel safe.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: There was a game being played last week, wasn't there,
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: with the open AI threat brief to the government on
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: the weekend, but we didn't hear anything about it until
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: the end of the week, until the government needed a distraction.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: Then there's been a whole lot of hand-wringing over the
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: last four or five days of the government saying, well,
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: this is why we need all these tough new data
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: security laws and this is why we're worried about digital
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: duty of care. No, not really. They're completely different. They're
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: about censorship. This is about cyber security, defence security, and
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: military protection of all of our government infrastructure. Now, the
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: Prime Minister gave a big speech, was it June or
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: July this year, about AI and did not even mention
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: the word cybersecurity. I think the government's been asleep at
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: the wheel and I think they're now scrambling on this issue.
• 36:55
  Speaker 11: You're absolutely right, Peter, and it's critically important we do
• 36:58
  Speaker 11: not conflate these two separate issues of AI and cybersecurity
• 37:01
  Speaker 11: on the one hand and the digital duty of care censorship.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: Laws on the other.
• 37:05
  Speaker 11: The coalition will fight that every step of the way
• 37:07
  Speaker 11: because we fundamentally believe in freedom of speech. We won't
• 37:09
  Speaker 11: allow that to be taken away. On AI, though, you're
• 37:12
  Speaker 11: absolutely right. The most obvious use case for artificial intelligence
• 37:16
  Speaker 11: in the security realm is both for attackers and defenders
• 37:19
  Speaker 11: in cybersecurity. AI can identify holes in security networks and
• 37:23
  Speaker 11: exploit them. It can also help identify them and patch them.
• 37:26
  Speaker 11: And the Prime Minister neglected that in his big AI speech.
• 37:30
  Speaker 11: and is now scrambling to catch up and trying to
• 37:33
  Speaker 11: use this incident as an excuse to justify his delayed action.
• 37:37
  Speaker 11: The truth is the government has under-invested in our cyber
• 37:40
  Speaker 11: defenses of our critical government networks for years, and there
• 37:43
  Speaker 11: could be a much more serious incident than this one
• 37:46
  Speaker 11: at any time that could actually target Medicare rather than
• 37:49
  Speaker 11: just Medicare statistics or the ATO or other critical data
• 37:53
  Speaker 11: held by the government.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Hey, you're getting a big response to your online petition.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: You're close to 100,000. You might have hit 100,000. Do
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: you think you're going to get movement on this from
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: the government?
• 38:05
  Speaker 9: I really hope so.
• 38:06
  Speaker 11: We just crossed 97,000 signatures today, Peter, and thank you
• 38:10
  Speaker 11: for you for promoting it on your show. Australians from
• 38:13
  Speaker 11: all walks of life are horrified by the idea that
• 38:16
  Speaker 11: we would throw away our military heritage and we would
• 38:18
  Speaker 11: damage our military capability in a dangerous world. Richard Miles
• 38:21
  Speaker 11: said on this network on Sunday that most diggers never
• 38:24
  Speaker 11: went through Victoria Barrack, Sydney, one of the properties proposed
• 38:29
  Speaker 11: to be sailed. Well, the men who enlisted to fight
• 38:31
  Speaker 11: for Australia in World War I and World War II
• 38:33
  Speaker 11: passed through that property. And I think that's worth preserving.
• 38:35
  Speaker 11: I think that's worth defending. And if you do too,
• 38:37
  Speaker 11: I'd value your support.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: There you go. There's your call to action from Senator Paterson.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: Thank you for your time, James. My quick break after
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: the break, the damage that reckless renewables are doing to
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: regional communities. We'll get to this one. This has a
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: blowback for our defence veterans. I'll explain why in a moment.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: Coming out, One Nation's call on the government to establish
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: new powers to combat radical Islamic terror. That's come out today.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: We'll get to that in a moment with James Ashby.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: But now to the veterans charity, which is warning veterans
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: against a controversial wind farm saying it could destroy the
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: very landscape it relies on, the charity relies on, to
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: help former ADF personnel suffering from PTSD, despite the project
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: being backed by the ADF's own superannuation fund. This is
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: the Ben Denine Wind Project in the Yass Valley, which
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: will put 90 separate, almost 300 metres tall wind turbines
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: on pristine land that the charity Remount relies on to
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: treat veterans with post-traumatic stress disorder. Again, it's one of
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: the government's own super funds involved here. Joining me now
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: is someone who founded this charity, the amazing Ben McGuire,
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: who supports the rehab of veterans. And he joins me now. Ben,
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: explain to viewers what's at the heart of the concerns
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: here about the project, but how it will also interfere
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: with the very important work that you do.
• 40:10
  Speaker 9: Yeah, thank you, Peter.
• 40:11
  Speaker 13: We raised the concern with the Commonwealth Superannuation Corporation back
• 40:15
  Speaker 13: in June last when it just became apparent there was
• 40:19
  Speaker 13: a complete irony with their plans to um to invest
• 40:25
  Speaker 13: in this project that is actually going to take away
• 40:28
  Speaker 13: the very ability for us to actually go and help
• 40:31
  Speaker 13: veterans you know the landscape that we put people in
• 40:34
  Speaker 13: it changes their lives it saves their lives and uh
• 40:38
  Speaker 13: When we started to point out that irony, we really
• 40:41
  Speaker 13: started to feel the wrath of a, this is a
• 40:43
  Speaker 13: real David and Goliath type story. We started to get
• 40:46
  Speaker 13: a strong sense that this was more than just about
• 40:49
  Speaker 13: green energy. This was about something far greater than we
• 40:52
  Speaker 13: had been made aware of.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: We know, of course, that the subsidies are pretty big
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: that flood into anyone who invests in these projects. So
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: I think follow the money is an important caution I'd
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: have here for everyone involved in this fight. But you've
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: had a lot of people on the ground. I saw
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: some footage, this is why I'm talking to you tonight,
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: I saw some footage the other day of a number
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: of riders who joined you and it went viral about
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: raising concerns about this wind farm.
• 41:21
  Speaker 13: Yeah, the message that everybody shared on the day is
• 41:23
  Speaker 13: where do we go to heal? If we're going to
• 41:26
  Speaker 13: go and damage these pristine landscapes, where do people, you know,
• 41:31
  Speaker 13: if we're locked up in the cities and in apartment
• 41:33
  Speaker 13: blocks and living on air conditioning, where do people actually
• 41:35
  Speaker 13: get out into nature? And this is a beautiful part
• 41:39
  Speaker 13: of the region and its pristine nature is really at
• 41:43
  Speaker 13: risk at the moment with this project. And our concern
• 41:46
  Speaker 13: from a remount perspective is that When people come to us,
• 41:51
  Speaker 13: it's more than just the horses that help them. It
• 41:54
  Speaker 13: is the blue sky. It is the clear skylines. It
• 41:58
  Speaker 13: is all the other reasons that they miss out on
• 42:00
  Speaker 13: that has a huge impact on their recovery.
• 42:03
  Speaker 9: And that will all be at risk with this project.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: And I say particularly too for veterans because a lot
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: of them, when they've had deployments or they've done their training,
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: they've been out camping rough, sleeping rough in places where
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: if they'd grown up in the city, they probably had
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: never experienced before. part of that sense of belonging that
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: they have in the military is to return to that
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: environment when they're healing. So when you wrote to the
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: government's own super funds and said, why the heck would
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: the Defence Super Fund be investing in a project that's
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: really going to hurt military veterans, what was the response
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: to your letters?
• 42:39
  Speaker 13: So the formal letter that we wrote to the Chair
• 42:42
  Speaker 13: back in June last year has still not been responded to.
• 42:46
  Speaker 13: I've spoken to one of the directors of CSC, And
• 42:50
  Speaker 13: his response to me was that he cares about community,
• 42:53
  Speaker 13: he cares about mental health, and please never contact me
• 42:57
  Speaker 13: about this matter again.
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Wow. I'm staggered. I thought you were going to tell
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: me that you got the usual line or you got
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: the duck show, but I didn't think that you'd get
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: no response at all. So how do we support you, Ben?
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: How do we get out there, my viewers, how do
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: we get out there and show that we don't support
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: what the government's doing with super money?
• 43:17
  Speaker 9: Yeah, thanks, Peter.
• 43:18
  Speaker 13: Look, I suppose the awareness is that there's so many
• 43:21
  Speaker 13: elements to the reason why we're pushing back on this
• 43:24
  Speaker 13: project and remount is another one of them. And, you know,
• 43:27
  Speaker 13: we don't get paid to deliver remount. No one pays
• 43:30
  Speaker 13: to come to remount. We have saved people's lives. We
• 43:33
  Speaker 13: do change a lot of lives and all the families
• 43:36
  Speaker 13: that are connected with them. And it's our way of
• 43:38
  Speaker 13: saying thank you to our veterans. And, you know, in
• 43:40
  Speaker 13: the light of recent news with what veterans have had
• 43:44
  Speaker 13: to go through and last year's Royal Commission report, We
• 43:47
  Speaker 13: really just think that these projects are worthy of more
• 43:51
  Speaker 13: support and more awareness around how to protect them.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: Well, thank you, Ben. I hope we've drawn people's attention
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: to it tonight. I'll catch up with you again soon.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: And if anything more happens on this front, please let
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: us know. But I want to be able to get
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: out there, I think, with my cameras if I can
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: and bring to my viewers some of the wonderful work
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: you do. Thanks, Ben. Ben McGuire there. And it's remount.org.au.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: jump on, have a look, spread the word. He wants
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: you to build awareness. All right, after the break, we'll
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: talk to James Ashby, a big push today from One
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: Nation for laws targeting fundamentalist Islamic terrorism. My panel with
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: Nicole Flint as well up next. Welcome back. Let's bring
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: in my panel now. former Liberal MP Nicole Flint, One
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: Nation National Director James Ashby. James, at the top of
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: the show, I briefed everyone tonight about the Melbourne Islamic
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: preacher with links to the notorious Sydney cleric Wissam Hardad,
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: who he called followers to take up arms against Christians
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: and Jews in Australia. We've seen and talked tonight about
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: what's happened in the United Kingdom. Your boss, Pauline Hanson,
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: has called on the government today to set up new
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: powers in to target particularly radical Islamic terrorism. It's a
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: real line in the sand from you. What's been the
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: government's response?
• 45:15
  Speaker 8: Well, crickets as usual. And it's so typical of Labor
• 45:19
  Speaker 8: to throw these barbs of being Islamophobic any time you
• 45:22
  Speaker 8: raise these issues. But we know where the terrorism is
• 45:25
  Speaker 8: coming from. It is radical Islam. And there's no secret
• 45:29
  Speaker 8: amongst Australian voters out there, they've had a gutful of
• 45:32
  Speaker 8: a government that is ill-prepared or really just not prepared
• 45:36
  Speaker 8: in general to deal with this issue. We've seen the
• 45:40
  Speaker 8: hate that struck the shores of this country in its
• 45:42
  Speaker 8: worst form ever in December last year. The one-year anniversary
• 45:46
  Speaker 8: is about to come up, and I don't know how
• 45:48
  Speaker 8: Australians have dealt with that, particularly given we've had such
• 45:52
  Speaker 8: a weak royal commission into this issue. We know that
• 45:55
  Speaker 8: terrorism cells still operate here in the country. That's the
• 45:59
  Speaker 8: warning from ASIO. We still have a probable terrorism... ranking
• 46:04
  Speaker 8: here in the country as well and yet you'll listen
• 46:08
  Speaker 8: to Tony Burke and the Prime Minister and they will
• 46:10
  Speaker 8: tell you that there is no problems with the terrorism
• 46:15
  Speaker 8: threat in this country from radical Islam. They will blame
• 46:18
  Speaker 8: everybody else on the right. They continue to say it
• 46:21
  Speaker 8: comes from hard right but they will never ever utter
• 46:24
  Speaker 8: the words radical Islam.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: Nicole, on immigration, I just talked with James Patterson a
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: moment ago, 30,000 people who came illegally by boat are
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: now given the right to stay here permanently under Labor.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: That's now guaranteed. They went pretty hard the other day
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: and sounding tough, but the people that are really being
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: hit are people on, you know, backpacker visas, not the students,
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: not the people like these ones who came by boats
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: who should be sent home. Farmers, though, they say they
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: will be damaged, regional communities will be damaged. I'm all
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: for the backpackers staying because they do the jobs Australians
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: are too proud to do these days. And most of
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: the time they go home, the large proportion do anyway,
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: but they spend the money they earn in Australia, not
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: so some of these others. So surely the government's got
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: to backtrack here and fast.
• 47:17
  Speaker 6: Well, Peter, that would take quite the miracle, wouldn't it,
• 47:19
  Speaker 6: for Labor to backtrack on anything. You've touched on something
• 47:23
  Speaker 6: really important. We have something, the most extraordinary backlog of
• 47:27
  Speaker 6: cases in the Administrative Appeals Tribunal, something like 56,000 student
• 47:31
  Speaker 6: visas or 54,000 student visas, 36,000 refugee claims, 30,000 migration
• 47:33
  Speaker 6: claims out of 136,000 altogether.
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: So the AAT.
• 47:44
  Speaker 6: Is being clogged up by migration claims across the board.
• 47:48
  Speaker 6: I think the whole system literally needs to be burnt
• 47:51
  Speaker 6: to the ground and started again because this is taxpayers'
• 47:55
  Speaker 6: money that funds these claims and defends these claims. And
• 48:00
  Speaker 6: it is literally all migration. Only 16,000 claims have backlog
• 48:05
  Speaker 6: before the AAT at the moment are a very small
• 48:08
  Speaker 6: number of NDIS and a small number of other category.
• 48:11
  Speaker 6: This is all about migration. Taxpayers are paying in every
• 48:15
  Speaker 6: single way, not least of all our rural and regional
• 48:18
  Speaker 6: communities and farmers who desperately, and hospitality also in our
• 48:22
  Speaker 6: rural and regional areas, who are so reliant on backpackers
• 48:26
  Speaker 6: and migrants for their workforce. And as you've just pointed out, Peter,
• 48:30
  Speaker 6: people who are living and working in rural areas, that's
• 48:33
  Speaker 6: where they spend their money. It's just a no-brainer. Look,
• 48:36
  Speaker 6: the system's broken. It needs to be completely rebuilt.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you on the rebuilding. James, you've
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: done a body of work internally at One Nation. It's
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: led the news for the last 24 hours about these grants.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: $ 300 million and over 90% of the money has landed
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: in Labor seats. You shock me.
• 48:58
  Speaker 8: Are you truly?
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: I'm not.
• 49:00
  Speaker 10: You're right.
• 49:01
  Speaker 8: Ninety four percent of the funding has been given to
• 49:03
  Speaker 8: Labor held seats. This is just a vote buying exercise
• 49:07
  Speaker 8: at taxpayers expense. Five percent went to coalition seats and
• 49:11
  Speaker 8: only sorry, one percent coalition seats and five percent to
• 49:15
  Speaker 8: the the teals and crossbenchers. But look, let's be honest here.
• 49:20
  Speaker 8: The vast majority of this money went to Muslim groups,
• 49:24
  Speaker 8: around $ 74 million. Now, if we take things back to
• 49:27
  Speaker 8: when the government first came to power four years ago,
• 49:31
  Speaker 8: this pot of money for Muslim groups was well under $ 700, 000.
• 49:35
  Speaker 8: Now we're talking $ 74 million, and that's just last year.
• 49:40
  Speaker 8: These figures are staggering. Australians have been kept in the dark.
• 49:43
  Speaker 8: This did take weeks of work within One Nation, and
• 49:46
  Speaker 8: well done to Max and Chris for doing this. It's
• 49:49
  Speaker 8: a lot of effort to shine a light on what
• 49:51
  Speaker 8: this government is doing. They are betraying Australians, and they
• 49:55
  Speaker 8: are buying votes at everybody else's expense. And again, it
• 49:58
  Speaker 8: goes back to the first question, And certainly to the
• 50:00
  Speaker 8: top of the hour, this Labor government will never, ever
• 50:03
  Speaker 8: criticise radical Islam. In fact, they're feeding it with taxpayers' dollars.
• 50:08
  Speaker 8: It's a rort and Aussies should be furious.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: I'm out of time. Unfortunately, I have to leave it there.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: But I will say before we go, in Victoria, you
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: can still get time off your prison sentence because you
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: were locked up during COVID. We were all locked up
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: during COVID. I don't get anything off my sentence. But
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: if you're in prison, you do. You absolutely do. Thank
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: you to you both. See you next week. That's it
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: for me. I will see you tomorrow night. Here is
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: James McPherson.