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Long Island Serial Killer Suspect DNA LINKED to 5 VEGAS MURDERED LADIES? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease.
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Speaker 2: In the last days, we learned that the Long Island
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Speaker 2: serial killer suspect Rex Huerman has been taken off suicide
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Speaker 2: watch as Gilgo Beach victims say they believe his wife
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Speaker 2: did know everything that was going on, and in fact
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Speaker 2: one witness placing her in the home during the time
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Speaker 2: one of the victims was murdered. But breaking now we
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Speaker 2: now understand why the Las Vegas victims are now potential
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Speaker 2: victims of the Long Island serial killer. What is the
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Speaker 2: connection and how many more dead bodies can be chalked
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Speaker 2: up to one man? I mean, as he graced this
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Speaker 2: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here
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Speaker 2: at Fox Nation and Serious XM one eleven. Also rex Huremann,
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Speaker 2: the Long Island serial killer suspect refuses to give DNA.
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Speaker 2: Wonder why but a judge swoops in and demands you
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Speaker 2: will give DNA rex Hureman, But let's just start at
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Speaker 2: the beginning. Take a listen to our friends at news twelve.
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Speaker 3: Twenty years since a gravel truck driver made a grousome
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Speaker 3: discovery along the West Coast in this grassy, deserted area
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Speaker 3: outside Las Vegas.
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Speaker 4: That she just was thrown like a piece of traction
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Speaker 4: in the desert. You first hear, it's unbelievable. It feels
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Speaker 4: like a lifetime movie.
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Speaker 3: The discarded body belonged to a young teenage sex worker
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Speaker 3: originally from New Jersey named Victoria Kamara.
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Speaker 2: With me an all star panel to make sense of
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Speaker 2: what we know right now, including a woman that has
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Speaker 2: seemingly connected the dots between the Long Island serial killer
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Speaker 2: and potential suspects in Vegas. And that would be Tara
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Speaker 2: Rosenbloom joining us from News twelve Long Island. But first
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Speaker 2: I want to go to a special guest joining me,
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Speaker 2: glen Dean Grant. You may not have heard of her,
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Speaker 2: but you will remember her name after you hear what
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Speaker 2: she's got to say. Glendan is the mother of a
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Speaker 2: twenty year old young girl trafficked into sex work in Vegas,
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Speaker 2: missing since two thousand and six. She is the founder
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Speaker 2: of math M, a t h Mothers against Trafficking Humans.
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Speaker 4: Miss Grant, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 5: Oh, I appreciate you having me on, Nancy, I appreciate
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Speaker 5: it a lot.
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Speaker 2: You know. It actually hurts me to hear you thank
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Speaker 2: me after all you have been through, you.
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Speaker 4: Know, I have a daughter and a son.
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Speaker 2: They're twins and not much younger than your daughter when
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Speaker 2: she was sex trafficked in Vegas. Yes, I want to
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Speaker 2: hear your reaction to the potential link between the Long
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Speaker 2: Island serial killer and bodies of young sex workers found
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Speaker 2: in your area.
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Speaker 5: Oh well, it's it's just well, was a scout off again?
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Speaker 5: It gets us going again, hopeful that there might be answers,
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Speaker 5: praying that Jesse has found. You know, at this point,
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Speaker 5: you know, having her missing for seventeen and a half years,
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Speaker 5: you know, I bounce back and forth from you know,
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Speaker 5: maybe she's still alive, to you know, you kind of
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Speaker 5: hope she's not after all this time, if it's you know,
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Speaker 5: horrible things are happening to her, and then back to
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Speaker 5: you know, I just don't feel that she's gone in
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Speaker 5: my mother heart, to not seeing any other options. So
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Speaker 5: anytime something like this comes up, we get anxious again.
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Speaker 5: We hope that this time we will have the answers
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Speaker 5: that we need and let me just keep going. We
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Speaker 5: keep going on, you know, we have I actually lost
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Speaker 5: another daughter in twenty twenty one, and I have four daughters,
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Speaker 5: so now I have just my two daughters and my
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Speaker 5: grandkids and my husband. So we form a very strong
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Speaker 5: BoNT and we won't stop until we get some kind
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Speaker 5: of answers joining me.
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Speaker 2: In addition to Tara Rosenbloom, News twelve, Long Island, Kristin
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Speaker 2: Thorn is with US investigative reporter WABC seven Eyewitness News, Tara,
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Speaker 2: I want to talk to you about potential links between
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Speaker 2: the suspect Rex Huermann, suspected of being a serial killer
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Speaker 2: in the Long Island area, and Vegas. First, take a
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Speaker 2: listen to our friends at News twelve.
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Speaker 3: News twelve learn late Wednesday afternoon that the Las Vegas
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Speaker 3: Police Department just got the green light to conduct a
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Speaker 3: direct comparison between suspected Gilgo Beach killer Rex Hwerman's DNA
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Speaker 3: with the DNA recovered from Victoria Kamara's b Sources tell
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Speaker 3: us the DNA testing could take six to eight weeks
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Speaker 3: to complete and that it could expand to include four
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Speaker 3: other cold cases that we've reported on in recent weeks,
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Speaker 3: all involving young sex workers in Las Vegas who were
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Speaker 3: killed in similarly suspicious circumstances as the Gilgo Beach victims.
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Speaker 2: Okay, straight to you, Tara Rosenbloom needs twelve, Long Island
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Speaker 2: hit me.
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Speaker 6: Okay, Nancy, thanks for sharing those clips. That was actually
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Speaker 6: all information that we broke first on News twelve and
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Speaker 6: shared throughout the country because immediately, you know, we had
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Speaker 6: prosecutors calling this the most consequential homicide investigation in Long
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Speaker 6: Island history, as you know. But my team, literally twenty
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Speaker 6: four hours after his arrest set out to determine whether
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Speaker 6: or not other police departments across the country would be
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Speaker 6: able to say the same thing. We set our sites
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Speaker 6: on the Vegas early on because we know that he's
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Speaker 6: owed to time shares. They are dating back two decades.
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Speaker 6: First thing we needed to find out, as you and
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Speaker 6: I had spoken, Nancy, is how many cold cases there
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Speaker 6: are in the department. We come through all online records
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Speaker 6: because they didn't have it tallyan determined there were two
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Speaker 6: hundred and sixty six active states.
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Speaker 4: Okay, whoa right there? Right there?
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Speaker 2: You think, and I even hate to say this is
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Speaker 2: so cliche. In Sin City, for Pete's sake, they would
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Speaker 2: have an up to date toll of how many people
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Speaker 2: are missing. I mean, Glendayane Grant, that's just got to
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Speaker 2: rub you the wrong way. Your daughter has been missing
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Speaker 2: since two thousand and six, and I think Tara's going
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Speaker 2: to tell us that's around the time that Huerman was
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Speaker 2: there and they don't even have a tally of how
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Speaker 2: many people are missing. Are you kidding me, Glendane? What
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Speaker 2: the A's going on out there?
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Speaker 7: Oh?
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Speaker 5: It drives us crazy, Nancy. We literally have to be
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Speaker 5: the ones that contact the police on the most cases,
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Speaker 5: and we give them tips that don't always get looked at.
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Speaker 5: I have to say, though, in the last year or so,
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Speaker 5: maybe a little longer, we've had a new detective on
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Speaker 5: the case that I'm so grateful for. He contact to me,
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Speaker 5: he asked to be put on the case. He remembers
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Speaker 5: Jesse's kids from the get go. He said that he
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Speaker 5: was a rookie when she went missing, so it's always
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Speaker 5: stood out to him. And he also told me that
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Speaker 5: they were born in the same year, so he has
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Speaker 5: a connection.
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Speaker 2: Well, that's so good news. There's new a need to
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Speaker 2: take tive on it. But Tara Rosenbloom, I want to
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Speaker 2: get about three inches of their tailpot. You had to
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Speaker 2: go in and amass the numbers yourself.
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Speaker 6: We did, Nancy, and out of those two hundred and
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Speaker 6: sixty six cold cases, sixty one of them, this is
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Speaker 6: by our count, involved women. So the first thing we
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Speaker 6: needed to know how many of those are sex workers.
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Speaker 6: We were looking for similarities to Gilgo Beach, so we
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Speaker 6: went through one by one. Glendy knows her and I
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Speaker 6: were in touch. We went through one by one and
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Speaker 6: reached out to family members, tried to develop law enforcement sources,
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Speaker 6: and of those, I was able to identify five cases
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Speaker 6: with striking similarities to the Gilgo Beach cases. I mean,
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Speaker 6: we were knee deep in this. We were comparing autopsy records,
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Speaker 6: we were putting in foiled records, and just yesterday we
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Speaker 6: had some breaking news late in the afternoon that we
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Speaker 6: shuffled to get on and we found out that sure enough,
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Speaker 6: the Las Vegas Police Department, they got the green light
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Speaker 6: for their DNA lab to conclude a direct comparison of
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Speaker 6: suspected Gilgo Beach serial pillar rex human DNA with the
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Speaker 6: DNA recovered in one of the cases that we had
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Speaker 6: highlighted early on had involved the murder of a New
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Speaker 6: Jersey mother, Victoria Kamaras, who for two decades her family
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Speaker 6: has been looking for answers. Her daughter was barely one
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Speaker 6: when she was found dead I spoke with her yesterday.
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Speaker 6: She is now twenty one and just really hoping that
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Speaker 6: this resulting justice for their family.
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Speaker 2: Okay, hold on, you've just thrown us all a bombshell
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Speaker 2: a grenade. I read your report late last night and
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Speaker 2: it's amazing, not only your reporting and all the work,
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Speaker 2: the investigative work you had to do to report what
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Speaker 2: you reported, but the content of your report.
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Speaker 4: It's happening, It is happening.
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Speaker 2: Vegas PD now has the go ahead to make DNA
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Speaker 2: comparisons from what they have found on these women in Vegas.
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Speaker 2: Two rex human sitting, as I said earlier, getting three
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Speaker 2: hots and a cot in a Suffolk County jail. Now
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Speaker 2: you just heard Tara Rosenbloom bring up the name, and
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Speaker 2: now I want to follow up with that. Take a
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Speaker 2: listen to our friends at News twelve.
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Speaker 3: In his first interview since Hireman's Bombshell was, a three
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Speaker 3: decade veteran of the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department reveals
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Speaker 3: the chilling reason the suspected serial killer is also being
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Speaker 3: investigated for possible ties to a string of unsolved murders
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Speaker 3: that he probed as a detective in the cold case
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Speaker 3: unit until his retirement two months ago.
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Speaker 8: I can just say that there are similar circumstances between
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Speaker 8: these three murder victims.
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Speaker 9: They were sex workers and they disappeared and they were
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Speaker 9: found out in the desert.
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Speaker 3: Bil Ramos told me three cases he knows of have
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Speaker 3: similar methodology to the Gilgo Beach murders. The women he
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Speaker 3: wouldn't name, disappeared between two thousand and three and two
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Speaker 3: thousand and six.
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Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Tara Rosenbloom has done so much investigative work. Explain what
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Speaker 2: break down what we're hearing right now, Tara.
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Speaker 6: But Victoria Kamara disappeared and was discovered. Actually we just
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Speaker 6: marked the two decade anniversary of her murder. She was
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Speaker 6: discovered off a remote road, a desert road outside Las
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Speaker 6: Vegas by a gravel truck driver. And there have been
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Speaker 6: few leads the case. Her family believes. I initially spoke
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Speaker 6: with her cousins and then yesterday, just yesterday, spoke with
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Speaker 6: her daughter, who lives in the Bronx here in New York.
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Speaker 6: The family is spread out throughout the tri State, but
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Speaker 6: they believe because Victoria Kamara was a sex worker, that
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Speaker 6: the case did not get the attention. It deserved, and
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Speaker 6: when we were not only Nancy by police, but by
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Speaker 6: those of us in the media. Do a Google search,
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Speaker 6: you won't see her name come up until after the
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Speaker 6: arrest of Rex here men, And so we thought to,
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Speaker 6: you know, compare the autopsy reports here, and just like
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Speaker 6: the Gilgo fr right at the top, it says that
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Speaker 6: she died of strangulation, those autopsy reports are a very
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Speaker 6: similar read. And obviously police thought the same because now
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Speaker 6: they've gotten the green light to do the DNA comparison.
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Speaker 6: And my law enforcement sources tell me this is not
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Speaker 6: something you can just do on a hunt or do
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Speaker 6: it random to make a direct comparison with the DNA.
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Speaker 6: So something had to have prompted this. There's something that
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Speaker 6: we're trying to figure out and hopefully will come to
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Speaker 6: life that allow this process to happen. And then what's
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Speaker 6: going to happen now is they think what will happen
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Speaker 6: next is that they're going to do the DNA comparisons
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Speaker 6: on the four other cases that I've identified with striking
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Speaker 6: similarities to our gig cases as well.
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Speaker 2: So five in all joining me. You're hearing Tara rosenbloom
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Speaker 2: News twelve Long Island also with us. In addition to
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Speaker 2: Tara and Miss Glendin Grant, her daughter goes missing in
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Speaker 2: two thousand and six when we believe Hureman was in
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Speaker 2: the Vegas area. Kristen Thorn with Me investigative reporter WABC
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Speaker 2: Channel seven Eyewitness News. Also she's the host of Hulu's
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Speaker 2: true crime show Missing.
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Speaker 4: I mean, it's amazing to me that you.
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Speaker 2: Ladies are digging up all this investigative research and then
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Speaker 2: the cops are deciding to do a DNA comparison. But
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Speaker 2: you know what, I like so many I don't believe
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Speaker 2: this is the time to say everything that the cops
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Speaker 2: have done wrong in the past. I want to focus
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Speaker 2: on what's happening right now and how we can correct
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Speaker 2: this case.
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Speaker 4: Go ahead, Kristen.
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Speaker 10: Well, I think, look, Nancy getting the DNA and having
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Speaker 10: the judge step in and say that he's going to
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Speaker 10: have to submit to this cheek swab is going to
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Speaker 10: certainly allow law enforcement around the country to have, you know,
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Speaker 10: they could have access to that DNA. Obviously, they can't
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Speaker 10: just go in and grab that. They have to have
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Speaker 10: a reason why they should be able to compare it.
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Speaker 10: I think that these cases that Tarah uncovered in Las
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Speaker 10: Vegas are very interesting. I think that, look, you know, unfortunately,
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Speaker 10: there are a lot of bad people out there who
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Speaker 10: do a lot of bad things, and so we will
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Speaker 10: have to look at you know, this is why the
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Speaker 10: DNA is so critical, right, It's the one way to
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Speaker 10: show pretty much one hundred percent, if not ninety nine
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Speaker 10: point nine nine nine, that this person was involved. So
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Speaker 10: I do hope. I'm just happy, Nancy, as the families
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Speaker 10: have said, and I know with math there as well,
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Speaker 10: that this what's important about all of this. These cases
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Speaker 10: have gone unnoticed. That's one of the purposes of my show.
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Speaker 10: With the purposes of my show was missing. These cases
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Speaker 10: deserve to be heard, and they deserve to have these
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Speaker 10: attention on them. And I am sorry that we as
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Speaker 10: a society have not listened to these cases for so long.
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Speaker 10: And I'm happy that even if this DNA does not
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Speaker 10: match these cases, that these cases are now being looked
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Speaker 10: at and are being taken seriously.
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Speaker 2: Guys, the connections between Rex Huerman and the Vegas murders.
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Speaker 2: Right now, Tara has identified five women whose cases are
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Speaker 2: eerily similar to what happened in the Gilgo cases. I
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Speaker 2: want you to take a listen to our cut. One
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Speaker 2: six eight Use twelve.
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Speaker 3: A twenty one year old desk gord who reportedly advertised
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Speaker 3: on craig List, vanished from nearby Henderson and was discovered
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Speaker 3: dead later that month and Illinois. A spokesperson for the
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Speaker 3: family of Lindsay Marie Harris told me her parents are
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Speaker 3: asking for privacy and that any speculation regarding a link
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Speaker 3: to Rex Huerman is premature, but added their confident police
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Speaker 3: will leave no stone unturned.
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Speaker 2: Back to you, Tarah Rosenbloom, you were the first person
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Speaker 2: that told me that that Huerman obviously was working out
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Speaker 2: of Missouri, and that he even had the excuse me
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Speaker 2: out of Springfield, and that he even had this identifying
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Speaker 2: moniker to place him there.
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Speaker 6: Sure, so I'm not you know, we're still looking into it.
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Speaker 6: Just yesterday we were actually googling, and so I saw
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Speaker 6: a bunch of businesses with Hureman. So we don't know
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Speaker 6: if he has family connections to the area or exactly
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Speaker 6: what how many times he's visited the area. But when
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Speaker 6: we were looking into the case of Linday Marie Harris,
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Speaker 6: she disappeared in two thousand and five, literally a month
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Speaker 6: after Hureman bought one of his time shares in Vegas.
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Speaker 6: And then when we looked further her severed legs. I know,
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Speaker 6: it's gruesome. They were discovered. Her body parts were not
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Speaker 6: together when they were discovered, but her severed legs were
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Speaker 6: discovered eerily similar to our fire Island Jane Do who
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Speaker 6: was just identified as Karen Bergotta. And then when we
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Speaker 6: were rereading the bail application Nancy on page seventeen, we
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Speaker 6: saw that with a tender account that he set up,
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Speaker 6: he used an email accounts Springfield Man that was registered
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Speaker 6: to the name John Springfield. And something else we found
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Speaker 6: particularly eerie. When they were removing evidence from the house,
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Speaker 6: from his massive People of Park home, we had cameras
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Speaker 6: out there and one of the items that they removed
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Speaker 6: was a portrait that looked almost identical to Lindsay Marie Harris.
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Speaker 6: So I know, I've spoken to now agencies, law enforcement agents,
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Speaker 6: and three states.
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Speaker 11: They're all over this.
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Speaker 6: We don't know if this will turn out to be
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Speaker 6: a coincidence or not, but certainly the family is happy
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Speaker 6: that this that her story is back in the headline.
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Speaker 4: And joining me right now.
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Speaker 2: The founder and director of the Cold Case Research Institute
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Speaker 2: and Star of a hit podcast is Zone seven Cheryl McCollum.
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Speaker 2: You can find her at Cold Case Crimes dot org.
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Speaker 2: Cheryl jump in, Nancy.
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Speaker 8: You've got folks now that are looking seriously at these victims.
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Speaker 8: And some of the similarities are the strangulation dismemberment. Their
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Speaker 8: bodies were wrapped, torsos seemed.
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Speaker 12: To be.
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Speaker 4: Let's slow it down, strangulation, bodies.
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Speaker 5: Wrapped, they were dismembered.
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Speaker 4: Hold on, I want to talk about the wrap for
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Speaker 4: just a moment.
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Speaker 2: Remember the gilg for are wrapped in chemo burlapp and
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Speaker 2: a sex worker told me you were there, Tara when
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Speaker 2: this happened. A sex worker told me that she had
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Speaker 2: had a dinner with hereman. She didn't go on a
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Speaker 2: date with him after the dinner, but he was hypothesizing
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Speaker 2: about how the Gilgo killer affected the murders and disposals,
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Speaker 2: and before it came out, as I recall it. I
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Speaker 2: don't know about the timing, but I do know he
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Speaker 2: was talking to the sex worker and he was describing
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Speaker 2: camouflage burl at bags and how the giller must have
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Speaker 2: dragged them through the marshes to where they were. So
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Speaker 2: when you say wrapped, it can be in plastic wrap.
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Speaker 2: I believe Karen Vergada's legs. Several legs were found in
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Speaker 2: plastic at Davis Park. It can be wrapped in burl
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Speaker 2: at bags. It can be wrapped in sheets of plastic.
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Speaker 2: What right, Yes, so it's the wrapping, and I'm working
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Speaker 2: up to throwing all this to doctor Bethany Marshall. The
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Speaker 2: wrapping the body. Okay, so strangulation, don't leave me yet, No, no, no,
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Speaker 2: I'm back.
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Speaker 4: Still with you. Strangulation, wrapping the body.
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Speaker 2: The body is dismembered, discarded out in rural area, go ahead.
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Speaker 8: Discarded in the rural area. And most importantly, there were
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Speaker 8: the additional victims in close proximity. So you're looking at
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Speaker 8: several things that could now be a signature, the wrapping,
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Speaker 8: the dismemberment, how they're placed.
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Speaker 13: Now.
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Speaker 8: One thing that is critical for me is when you
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Speaker 8: hear everybody talk about there's no coverage. People didn't know
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Speaker 8: about this victim. You don't even know her name. That
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Speaker 8: tells me this this is not a copycat. This is
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Speaker 8: somebody singularly working. So I told you day one on
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Speaker 8: your show that I believed that there would be other
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Speaker 8: victims in other states.
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Speaker 2: Oh yes, from Vegas to South Carolina and probably beyond,
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Speaker 2: Tara Rosenbloom. Were the Vegas victims wrapped? Were they in
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Speaker 2: close proximity? And where were their bodies dubbed? And is
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Speaker 2: their COEOD strangulation asshixiation?
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Speaker 6: So we know in the case of Victoria Kamara that
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Speaker 6: is the autopsy report that they were able to release
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Speaker 6: there was the cause of death was strangulation. And four
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Speaker 6: out of the five of these cases that were following
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Speaker 6: Nancy involved these women being wrapped in plastic or clocks.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Cheryl, right, Four out of five of the Vegas
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Speaker 2: victims were wrapped.
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Speaker 4: What about the fifth one.
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Speaker 6: Tara, I don't have the information on that one, Nancy.
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Speaker 6: We're still waiting for a public document request to get
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Speaker 6: more information on that.
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Speaker 2: So the fifth one may very well have been wrapped
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Speaker 2: up as well.
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Speaker 4: Wow. Okay.
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Speaker 2: Also with me in addition to doctor Bethany Marshall is
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Speaker 2: Joe jack Alone, former NYPD author of the Cold Case Handbook,
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Speaker 2: and BERNARDA via Lona, high profile lawyer who worked in
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Speaker 2: the homicide Bureau with one one of the Gilgo prosecutors.
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Speaker 2: You can find her at vilonelaw dot com. Uh Okay,
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Speaker 2: Dr Bethony Marshall. I'm ready, I'm braced.
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Speaker 11: Hit me well, Nancy, what all this tells me is
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Speaker 11: that the way human killed was very ritualized, very methodical.
21:20
Speaker 11: I was thinking about people who love coffee. They will
21:23
Speaker 11: often say I go to this certain store and then
21:25
Speaker 11: I smell the coffee, and then I take them home.
21:28
Speaker 11: Then I grind the beans. Then I have my special
21:31
Speaker 11: you know, espresso maker, and.
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Speaker 4: That is a lot of coffee.
21:36
Speaker 11: But go ahead, well, think about the work involved in
21:39
Speaker 11: finding a sex worker and this particular set of ritualized
21:43
Speaker 11: offending profile, which I think is very sexualized. He starts
21:48
Speaker 11: at the shooting range, you know, he he gets off
21:52
Speaker 11: on shooting things and practicing being a marksman. That he
21:55
Speaker 11: goes out hunting, and all of this is a precursor,
21:58
Speaker 11: It's like for plate killing these poor women. Then he
22:02
Speaker 11: buys the place in Vegas so he has proximity to
22:05
Speaker 11: sex workers.
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Speaker 2: And pause, pause, pause, Tara, didn't me buy more than one?
22:12
Speaker 9: Right?
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Speaker 6: The records that we've been able to obtain show that
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Speaker 6: he's owned two time shares dating back over the past
22:18
Speaker 6: two decades, and one of those time shares we have
22:21
Speaker 6: glending grant with you as a guest today. She has
22:25
Speaker 6: told me that the area where one of those time
22:28
Speaker 6: shares is located is a known area for prostitution and
22:32
Speaker 6: where sex workers congregate.
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Speaker 2: Okay, whoa, I'm getting so much information. I'm drinking from
22:37
Speaker 2: the Fireeyegeant right now, Doctor Bethany Marshall, go ahead.
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Speaker 11: Well, hey, there's sex workers all over Vegas, but he
22:44
Speaker 11: chose the area with the most disenfranchised, vulnerable young sex workers.
22:50
Speaker 11: Let's just be honest about that. If this was a
22:52
Speaker 11: high class call girl, you know at you know, Paris
22:56
Speaker 11: or one of the big big hotel because he knows,
22:58
Speaker 11: he wouldn't have been interested he on vulnerable people. But
23:01
Speaker 11: if we go back to the ritual, I could spend
23:04
Speaker 11: hours on it, but sort of breaking it down. It
23:06
Speaker 11: begins with hunting, the propurement of guns, the pouring of
23:10
Speaker 11: the concrete in his home to have this ball to
23:13
Speaker 11: keep the guns and maybe bodies. It's very sexualized. It's
23:18
Speaker 11: tinged with sexual excitement and being around women who are
23:22
Speaker 11: sex workers in Vegas. And I think that the strangulation, unfortunately,
23:27
Speaker 11: may have been while he's performing some sex act on them,
23:31
Speaker 11: putting them again in a vulnerable position once they're dead.
23:35
Speaker 11: He makes use of their bodies for a prolonged period
23:39
Speaker 11: of time, maybe like a hunter that goes out and
23:42
Speaker 11: you know, hunts and gets a deer and then he
23:45
Speaker 11: goes and gets it butchered, and then he puts it
23:47
Speaker 11: in the freezer and then he has a steak night
23:49
Speaker 11: after night. You know, these bodies are valuable to heuremen
23:53
Speaker 11: long after he kills them. And they're valuable because he
23:56
Speaker 11: controls them. He dominates them. Maybe he masturbates them on
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Speaker 11: them or have sex with them, or whatever he does
24:02
Speaker 11: with them. It's incredibly profoundly exciting to him. You know,
24:07
Speaker 11: think about all the serial killers to keep body parts
24:11
Speaker 11: in their freezer or you know, in a pot of
24:13
Speaker 11: boiling water on the stove. They like proximity to the
24:17
Speaker 11: body parts. But when you have dozens of legs and
24:20
Speaker 11: torsos and heads and arms piling up, what are you
24:24
Speaker 11: going to do with them? You're going to resort back.
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Speaker 5: To what you know.
24:26
Speaker 11: And he was a hunter, and what he knew was
24:30
Speaker 11: wrapping animals and burlap and disposing of them places. So
24:33
Speaker 11: I mean not that he would dispose of an animal
24:36
Speaker 11: that he had hunted, but he knew of ways to
24:39
Speaker 11: dispose and I think he dismembered for multiple reasons. You know,
24:43
Speaker 11: the control over the body by by methodically dismembering. It
24:49
Speaker 11: was a sexualized act, so he prolonged that. But then
24:54
Speaker 11: you know, when again, so many body parts are piling up,
24:57
Speaker 11: you have to do something with them. In Vegas, it
25:00
Speaker 11: has deserts, it has vast, vast areas of land where
25:04
Speaker 11: nobody goes. So that's also a perfect place for him
25:09
Speaker 11: because he can dispose of the body parts and Nancy.
25:12
Speaker 4: Vast areas of land.
25:14
Speaker 11: Go ahead, Tara to piggyback.
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Speaker 6: Mat I thought something really telling this week. I was
25:19
Speaker 6: in the jail because we just marked the one month
25:22
Speaker 6: incarceration on milestone of Rex Heureman and Suffolk. So I
25:25
Speaker 6: went to see what a cell looked like, what the
25:27
Speaker 6: conditions were like. And during that interview with Sheriff Toulon,
25:30
Speaker 6: I asked him point blank, do you think because he's
25:33
Speaker 6: been involved in the task force obviously since the get
25:35
Speaker 6: go and I asked some point blank, do you believe
25:38
Speaker 6: that Rex Heureman had a hand in these five cases
25:41
Speaker 6: we're talking about in Las Vegas. Nancy looked directly at
25:44
Speaker 6: the camera and said, yeah, how.
25:46
Speaker 2: Can we place him there take alas snour cut one
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Speaker 2: seven two, He's twelve.
25:51
Speaker 3: Property records obtained by the Turn to Tara team showed
25:54
Speaker 3: the successful Arbitek bought a time share in Las Vegas
25:57
Speaker 3: in two thousand and four at Windom Vacation Resorts that
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Speaker 3: he later sold for fifty one dollars in twenty thirteen,
26:04
Speaker 3: and public documents also show he still owns another time
26:07
Speaker 3: share here at Clubs so Well.
26:09
Speaker 2: Joining us now, Joseph Jackline, former NYPD sergeant, cold case investigator,
26:14
Speaker 2: author of the Cold Case Handbook and the Criminal Investigative Function,
26:20
Speaker 2: jo thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 4: What's your take?
26:22
Speaker 14: Thanks, Anthy. Yes, our law enforcement is doing exactly what
26:25
Speaker 14: it should be doing. You have a suspect in a
26:28
Speaker 14: major case here in New York. You're fighting now to
26:31
Speaker 14: get the DNA to put it to codis. Because of
26:33
Speaker 14: New York's rules, they don't follow the Maryland First King
26:36
Speaker 14: Supreme Court decision that allows police departments to put DNA
26:40
Speaker 14: in upon arrest. New York State still requires it upon conviction.
26:44
Speaker 14: And that's what the hold up is in a lot
26:45
Speaker 14: of these cases. So Las Vegas has a specific reason,
26:49
Speaker 14: so they have some sort of DNA that they want
26:51
Speaker 14: to match up, and they were able to convince the
26:53
Speaker 14: judge that they've been able to do this. So that's
26:55
Speaker 14: why we're headed to that direction. And listen, this is
26:58
Speaker 14: part of the case one O one. You try to
27:01
Speaker 14: find cases that are connected to yours, because each one
27:05
Speaker 14: of those cases could hold a peace to another one.
27:08
Speaker 14: And law enforcement now is doing exactly what it should
27:10
Speaker 14: be doing. You have an invigorated police department in Suffolk County,
27:14
Speaker 14: you have this task force with the New York State
27:16
Speaker 14: Police and the FBI. You have some good quality investigation
27:19
Speaker 14: going on in a short period of time, and that
27:22
Speaker 14: everybody across the country wherever this guy lives now is
27:25
Speaker 14: very excited and their eyes are wide open and they're
27:27
Speaker 14: willing to do this. And that's sometimes all you need
27:29
Speaker 14: is that first set of eyes to break something open.
27:31
Speaker 2: I think you're right, guys. I want you to take
27:33
Speaker 2: a listen. While all of this is swirling, the Long
27:38
Speaker 2: Island serial killer suspect Rex Hureman refuses to give a
27:44
Speaker 2: DNA sample. Gee, I wonder why, but a judge would
27:49
Speaker 2: hear none of it. Take a listen nowur cut one
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Speaker 2: seven five from WCBS.
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Speaker 15: New Tonight Now A judge has ordered Gilgo Beach serial
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Speaker 15: murder suspect Rex Huerman to submit DNA sample. Huerman's attorneys
28:02
Speaker 15: tried to block the move, arguing prosecutors failed to show
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Speaker 15: probable cause connecting him to a DNA sample taken from
28:09
Speaker 15: a pizza box, But according to court documents, that judge
28:12
Speaker 15: said there is enough probable cause to believe Huermen committed
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Speaker 15: the crime that he is charged with no word on
28:18
Speaker 15: when Heureman will submit to a cheek swap.
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Speaker 2: To Banarda via Lona who worked in the homicide bureau
28:25
Speaker 2: with one of the prosecutors on the Gilgo case. She
28:29
Speaker 2: is now a high profile defense attorney joining us out
28:32
Speaker 2: of New York and you can find her at via
28:34
Speaker 2: Lona Law dot com. Banarda, what about him jumping up
28:39
Speaker 2: claiming he would not give a DNA sample?
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Speaker 7: Oh, don't worry about that, NFC, because what the prosecutors
28:46
Speaker 7: can do is get a fourth order where they actually
28:48
Speaker 7: force him and hold them down to try to get
28:50
Speaker 7: a DNA sample from him.
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Speaker 13: So that's going to happen. So you're going to do
28:54
Speaker 13: it the easy way on a heart.
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Speaker 4: Yeah right there.
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Speaker 2: Believe me, I am not worried about him claiming he
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Speaker 2: won't give the DNA because they did exactly what you
29:08
Speaker 2: just said. You can't just throw somebody down and stick
29:13
Speaker 2: a Q tip in their mouth. You have to have
29:15
Speaker 2: a court order then you can throw somebody down a
29:18
Speaker 2: stick Q tip in their mouth. And in this case,
29:22
Speaker 2: Rex Huerman, I think it's very telling he would not
29:26
Speaker 2: give his DNA.
29:28
Speaker 4: Why not if he's in You.
29:30
Speaker 2: Know what if someone said to me, Nancy, I think
29:32
Speaker 2: you're a killer, give me your DNA and say, fine,
29:34
Speaker 2: take it.
29:34
Speaker 4: I'm not a killer.
29:36
Speaker 2: But he refused to give it. Bernardo tells me Williams, they're.
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Speaker 7: Going to use his refusal also against him as consciousness
29:44
Speaker 7: of guilt. At the time of trial, I will argue
29:47
Speaker 7: that as a prosecutor, like look, ladies and gentlemen, there
29:50
Speaker 7: was a court order to have him swab and he
29:52
Speaker 7: refused to be swabbed. In fact, we needed to get
29:55
Speaker 7: an order to get him squabbed. And why didn't he
29:58
Speaker 7: want to be swapped? He thinks because he knew that
30:01
Speaker 7: his DNA would be a direct link.
30:03
Speaker 11: To be homicizedly so, but also Nancy, Nancy, he's dominated.
30:09
Speaker 11: He's dominated everybody in his life. His wife his children,
30:13
Speaker 11: his neighbors, the sex workers he's used to dominating. He's
30:16
Speaker 11: probably staring those detectives down, thinking that he won't have
30:19
Speaker 11: to give a DNA swab and think about what's going
30:22
Speaker 11: to happen in court. He's going to be one of
30:24
Speaker 11: those perps who just stares at the jurors, stares them down,
30:29
Speaker 11: tries to dominate them, thinks that he's going to get
30:31
Speaker 11: his way. So I think there's a psychological motive as well.
30:34
Speaker 11: He's been at the center of his own universe as long.
30:37
Speaker 7: It's just a rude.
30:38
Speaker 11: Awakening for him that he's going to be compelled to
30:40
Speaker 11: do something he doesn't want to do.
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Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace.
30:58
Speaker 2: You know, Cheryl McCollum, we were hearing Britain Aren't a
31:00
Speaker 2: violona describe it, but the same thing in court. I
31:04
Speaker 2: think you were in court when one defendant and it
31:09
Speaker 2: was their murder case, would not shut the hay up,
31:14
Speaker 2: would have constant outbursts, yelling, screaming, not letting anybody finish
31:19
Speaker 2: what they were going to say.
31:21
Speaker 4: I came in with a big.
31:25
Speaker 2: Roll of black duct tape because you know what was
31:29
Speaker 2: coming next, Cheryl McCollum. He would be gagged and duct
31:32
Speaker 2: taped to that chair. Well it didn't take all that.
31:35
Speaker 2: When he saw that duct tapee he suddenly went silent.
31:40
Speaker 2: But there have been many cases where a defendant refuses
31:44
Speaker 2: to give DNA and you have to physically restrain them
31:49
Speaker 2: to get the DNA, and nobody wants that.
31:51
Speaker 4: It's a bad look.
31:52
Speaker 2: It's a bad look in front of a jury that
31:54
Speaker 2: you've got law enforcement holding somebody down. But the reality
31:58
Speaker 2: is when the defendant refuses to give DANA or refuses
32:01
Speaker 2: to shut the hay up in the courtroom, so you
32:04
Speaker 2: can't have a trial. What we're just going to stop
32:06
Speaker 2: everything because they say, uh not today, that's not happening, Nancy.
32:12
Speaker 8: Normally, when this falls to me to do with a suspect,
32:16
Speaker 8: I walk in and behind me I usually have three
32:19
Speaker 8: to four of the biggest officers I can find, and
32:23
Speaker 8: the deal is this is going to go one of
32:25
Speaker 8: two ways, but at the end of it, I will
32:28
Speaker 8: get the sample. So again, visually go ahead and let
32:32
Speaker 8: me just do it and let's both get on with
32:34
Speaker 8: our day. In this situation, what you're going to have
32:37
Speaker 8: when they talk about how he tries to use his
32:40
Speaker 8: intimidation in his stature, and he's going to stare at people.
32:44
Speaker 5: Let him it.
32:46
Speaker 10: Will work out.
32:48
Speaker 4: Stare away, work against.
32:49
Speaker 8: Him, just like when we had the Wayne Wiggiams trial.
32:53
Speaker 8: Let the jury see who this person actually is.
32:56
Speaker 1: Do it.
32:57
Speaker 2: And then imagine that big, hulky guy described as an
33:01
Speaker 2: ogre by some what was happening behind closed doors with
33:05
Speaker 2: a tiny, very slight in stature. Call girl a sex
33:12
Speaker 2: worker all alone with this guy. I bet you anything
33:18
Speaker 2: that the five victims out in Vegas were slight in stature.
33:22
Speaker 2: I mean Glendale Grant is joining me. Jesse Foster's mother
33:27
Speaker 2: just twenty years old when Jesse was trafficked in sex
33:31
Speaker 2: work in Vegas, missing since two thousand and six, which
33:34
Speaker 2: by the way, coincides with the time Hueman was there.
33:38
Speaker 2: She is the founder of math m Ath Mothers Against
33:42
Speaker 2: Trafficking Humans.
33:44
Speaker 4: Glen Dean. Was Jesse a small, slight person.
33:49
Speaker 5: Yes, she was very tiny. She was barely one hundred
33:52
Speaker 5: and fifteen pounds. And I know for a fact that
33:55
Speaker 5: Lindsay Marie Harris was also the same size as Jesse.
33:59
Speaker 5: Looks are very strikingly similar.
34:01
Speaker 4: Oh tell me, tell me.
34:03
Speaker 5: You know what when we describe one or the other
34:07
Speaker 5: of the women because I've been in touch with her
34:09
Speaker 5: parents over the years. Not lately, but at the beginning.
34:12
Speaker 5: We talked touch base anytime you could describe one of
34:16
Speaker 5: the women and we would have to figure out if
34:18
Speaker 5: we were talking about Lindsay or Jesse. You know, blonde hair,
34:22
Speaker 5: five foot seven, both five six seven, one hundred and
34:26
Speaker 5: fifteen pounds, very petite in size. The only difference is
34:31
Speaker 5: Lindsay's eyes were blue and Jesse's weesel.
34:34
Speaker 2: So very very petite, which also fits sin Cheryl McCollum
34:38
Speaker 2: with the same mo.
34:41
Speaker 4: Go ahead, please.
34:42
Speaker 8: I just want to point something out too, that he's
34:44
Speaker 8: a very different serial killer when you have somebody like
34:47
Speaker 8: Bundy that goes out and hunts for you vulnerable victims.
34:52
Speaker 8: Rex picked these women beforehand. He selected them that he
34:58
Speaker 8: came to him, So it's like fish in a barrel.
35:02
Speaker 8: So he has a very different mo in this situation
35:06
Speaker 8: that I think is critical for people to understand. Yes,
35:09
Speaker 8: he was a hunter. Yes he researched, and he stayed online,
35:13
Speaker 8: and he made phone calls and that sort of thing, right,
35:17
Speaker 8: but I think this is a long process that he
35:20
Speaker 8: took enjoyment from beginning to end.
35:22
Speaker 2: Guys, we're also hearing from victims' families angry that sons
35:29
Speaker 2: are being raised for Hueerman's family. Take a list at
35:34
Speaker 2: ourka one seven six. This is Bob Macedonio, who is
35:38
Speaker 2: as Ellrop's lawyer. Ellerp, of course, is Human's wife Nicole Fumbi.
35:43
Speaker 16: Page was set up by Melissa Moore, who is the
35:46
Speaker 16: daughter of the serial killer. The Happy Faced Killer in
35:49
Speaker 16: the late nineties was convicted of killing at least five
35:52
Speaker 16: sex workers in the Midwest. She was sixteen years old
35:55
Speaker 16: when her father was arrested. She reached out immediately to
35:57
Speaker 16: myself and we put her in contact with USA and
36:00
Speaker 16: they have started the GoFundMe page. Like I said, one
36:03
Speaker 16: hundred percent of the proceeds from that goal funding goes
36:06
Speaker 16: to HASSE.
36:07
Speaker 2: So what do the victims, the Long Island serial killer
36:10
Speaker 2: victims family have to say about to go fumme being
36:14
Speaker 2: set up for the alleged killer's family. Take a list
36:18
Speaker 2: to our cut one eight two, pickx eleven.
36:20
Speaker 9: The sister of Shannon Gilbert phoned in to say she
36:22
Speaker 9: was upset Youwerman's family has already received thousands me and.
36:26
Speaker 13: A lot of the victims families just really gets disgusting
36:29
Speaker 13: because we were never given that much support when our
36:33
Speaker 13: loved ones want missing.
36:34
Speaker 9: John Ray said rex Huwerman should not have a court
36:36
Speaker 9: appointed lawyer.
36:38
Speaker 12: Mister Huerman and missus Ewerman have plenty of assets. They
36:41
Speaker 12: have assets in several states.
36:43
Speaker 9: Now we should point out that Rex Huerman has pleaded
36:46
Speaker 9: not guilty to three murders in cases where the victims
36:49
Speaker 9: were intact.
36:50
Speaker 2: To Kristen Thorn joining us WABC Channel seven investigative reporter,
36:56
Speaker 2: what do you make of victims families now speaking out
36:59
Speaker 2: about the suspects family getting thousands of dollars when nobody
37:05
Speaker 2: cared when they're loved ones were literally slaughtered.
37:09
Speaker 10: Nancy, I can certainly understand the frustration. I think. Look,
37:14
Speaker 10: gofund me is a new platform. It wasn't around when
37:17
Speaker 10: the other victims disappeared. I can understand how frustrating this
37:22
Speaker 10: must be for them.
37:23
Speaker 5: Nancy.
37:23
Speaker 10: I looked at the GoFundMe pag this morning because I'm
37:25
Speaker 10: trying to think who is donating to her. So it's
37:28
Speaker 10: raised more than fifty one thousand dollars as of this moment,
37:31
Speaker 10: And when you scroll through the comment, mind you there
37:34
Speaker 10: are thirteen hundred people who have donated. Most of these
37:37
Speaker 10: donations are very small, ten twenty twenty five dollars, sometimes
37:40
Speaker 10: five dollars. People are donating multiple times. Obviously these are
37:45
Speaker 10: people that don't know her, but people are saying, you know,
37:47
Speaker 10: my heart hurts for this family.
37:48
Speaker 11: Asa is strong.
37:50
Speaker 10: We just wanted to say, there's a lot of us
37:52
Speaker 10: who understand you're a victim too many many people care
37:56
Speaker 10: about you. To me, I think this speaks more broadly,
38:00
Speaker 10: and I just find it very interesting that people who
38:04
Speaker 10: have no relation to her, know nothing about anything, are
38:07
Speaker 10: taking money, they're hard earned money and giving it to her.
38:12
Speaker 10: I find the whole thing. I would love to talk
38:14
Speaker 10: to the psychology behind that.
38:16
Speaker 2: BANARDA Vielona joining us high profile lawyer out of New York,
38:21
Speaker 2: mss Elera immediately filed for divorce from Hureman. Does that
38:25
Speaker 2: mean Hureman cannot access that fifty thousand dollars off to
38:30
Speaker 2: go fundme for his defense.
38:31
Speaker 11: No, he's not.
38:33
Speaker 13: Going to to be able to access that money because
38:36
Speaker 13: either way that money has been earmarked for the wife,
38:40
Speaker 13: well for the formal wife of mister Huerman, so it
38:43
Speaker 13: won't be accessible to him. Also, just to note that
38:47
Speaker 13: that in terms of the divorce itself is very interesting
38:50
Speaker 13: because she's going to be able to testify a trial
38:53
Speaker 13: against him because there will be no longer wife and
38:56
Speaker 13: husband privilege there.
38:58
Speaker 2: Now another bombshell has developed as it relates to Huerman's wife,
39:04
Speaker 2: now ex wife take als our cut one eight one
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Speaker 2: picks eleven.
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Speaker 9: Attorney John Ray, who represents the estates of Shannon Gilbert
39:12
Speaker 9: and Jessica Taylor, then dropped a bombshell claiming a witness
39:16
Speaker 9: told him sex workers went to the Roman basement.
39:20
Speaker 12: Missus Ellrop was present in this tiny little home when
39:24
Speaker 12: that occurred. I have a witness first had knowledge of that.
39:30
Speaker 12: The witness refuses to come forward, So the Elerap family
39:33
Speaker 12: comes forward and says, help us, give us money. What
39:35
Speaker 12: about the victims who were chopped up?
39:38
Speaker 2: Okay, Cheryl McCollum, that's a whole another can of worms.
39:44
Speaker 2: We've been told that the wife and children were not there.
39:47
Speaker 2: Now there's an eyewitness stating they were on at least
39:51
Speaker 2: one occasion.
39:52
Speaker 8: Well again, Nancy, the only thing that really jumped out
39:55
Speaker 8: at me early on is how fast she processed this
39:59
Speaker 8: information and move to divorce.
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Speaker 5: You have a lot of people that when they're.
40:03
Speaker 8: Given any type of traumatic information. First they deny it,
40:08
Speaker 8: then they get where they just can't really even process
40:11
Speaker 8: the reality of it before they get angry enough to
40:14
Speaker 8: move to divorce. She did this in days, so she
40:17
Speaker 8: had to have some information that this was believable, and
40:22
Speaker 8: she accepted it within days. That doesn't mean she has
40:26
Speaker 8: any culpability, that doesn't mean she was an accessory. But
40:30
Speaker 8: she absolutely believed the you know, the pornography searches, that
40:37
Speaker 8: he was able to kill somebody, that he was able
40:39
Speaker 8: to dispose of that person by her actions.
40:44
Speaker 11: You know, Nancy, He may have already convinced his wife
40:47
Speaker 11: that it was okay to bring sex Workerson into the house,
40:50
Speaker 11: that there was something inferior about her. Maybe he told
40:54
Speaker 11: her you're short, your fat, you're dumb, fee, I'm not
40:56
Speaker 11: attracted to you. I'm attracted to these other women, and
40:59
Speaker 11: she went along with it, as amused women always do.
41:02
Speaker 11: So Cheryl McCollum is right. By the time all this
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Speaker 11: news comes out, everything that has been sort of at
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Speaker 11: the tip of her conscious consciousness all of a sudden
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Speaker 11: gets pulled together amalgamated in such a way that she says,
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Speaker 11: oh my god, maybe he is a serial killer, but
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Speaker 11: you know that go fundb Paige. It also tells me
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Speaker 11: that the children of Rex Hureman still feel their dad
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Speaker 11: might be innocent. They are not yet ready to accept this,
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Speaker 11: and they feel that he's being victimized rather than the
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Speaker 11: fact that he has victimized other people. So he may
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Speaker 11: have had a very dominating relationship with the wife, brought
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Speaker 11: sex workers in right under her nose, taunted her about it,
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Speaker 11: but maybe he adored and idealized the children, so they
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Speaker 11: have a different relationship.
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Speaker 2: If you have or think you have information regarding either
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Speaker 2: Long Island, Vegas, South Carolina, anything connected to the Long
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Speaker 2: Island Cereal case and or Rex Huerman, please dial toll
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Speaker 2: free one eight hundred, call FBI one eight hundred, two
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Speaker 2: two five five three two four.
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Speaker 4: Goodbye friend,