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HW 2026-07-30 Growing up Health - Charles Mills · Heartwise

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Speaker 1: This is Heartwise, offering practical tips and time proven guidelines
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Speaker 1: to make your life healthier, happier, and more fulfilling. Today
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Speaker 1: you'll learn simple Bible based principles for building and maintaining
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Speaker 1: optimum mental and physical health, all while deepening your relationship
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Speaker 1: with your creator. Hello everyone, this is Charles Mills, health
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Speaker 1: reporter for Heartwise Ministries. Our guest today, a young lady
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Speaker 1: who recently graduated from Cornell University enjoy is not only
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Speaker 1: the abundant health of youth, but is preparing to remain
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Speaker 1: healthy for a lifetime. She believes that the choices we
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Speaker 1: make when we are young generate a direct impact on
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Speaker 1: the health we will enjoy when we've packed on the years.
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Speaker 1: She comes by her passion naturally. Her father, doctor Joel Furman,
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Speaker 1: I'm anytime guest on this program. Yes, that doctor Joel
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Speaker 1: Furman is author of such best selling books as Eat
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Speaker 1: to Live and the more recent Super Immunity. Then there's
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Speaker 1: her mother, Lisa, another past guest, who is totally dedicated
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Speaker 1: to helping us select and prepare healthy food dishes. Doctor
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Speaker 1: Furman and Lisa's daughter Talia is following in her parents' footsteps.
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Speaker 1: Her degree from Cornell is in nutritional sciences and she's
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Speaker 1: one of the authors of the popular website diseaseproof dot com.
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Speaker 1: She's also studying to be a chef in New York City.
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Speaker 1: Something tells me that the items on her menu will
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Speaker 1: not only taste great, but will bring healing to each
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Speaker 1: and every customer. Talia, Welcome to Heartwives.
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Speaker 2: I'm so glad to be here.
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Speaker 1: Now, tell us your story, Talia. What was it like
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Speaker 1: growing up in the intensely health focused Furman household?
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Speaker 2: Absolutely? You know what you have to keep in mind
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Speaker 2: that the environment at the time was very different than
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Speaker 2: you and we have now. I currently live in New
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Speaker 2: York City where veganism and nutrient rich heating is becoming
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Speaker 2: so much more popular and accepted, and people know what
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Speaker 2: the term vegan means. Back then, nobody knew, you know,
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Speaker 2: what a plant based guy it was, or what a
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Speaker 2: vegan was. It was so weird. But at the same time,
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Speaker 2: I am so thankful to have grown up, you know,
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Speaker 2: with that lifestyle. And there was a period of rebelliousness,
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Speaker 2: you know, around you know, the elementary school years, just
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Speaker 2: a little bit. I'd stay around. Middle school was when
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Speaker 2: I started really you know, taking interests in my dad's
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Speaker 2: work and reading up on him as well as other authors,
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Speaker 2: and knowledge really is power because once you learn about
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Speaker 2: the importance of what goes into our bodies and that
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Speaker 2: we really are what we eat, you can't not eat
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Speaker 2: this way. Nobody wants to die of a heart attack
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Speaker 2: or you know, a stroke or cancer, like my dad
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Speaker 2: likes to say. And it's something empowering about feeling your
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Speaker 2: best every single day because it's really not just about
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Speaker 2: preventing the views down the road, it's about feeling good
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Speaker 2: in the present. And people don't realize. People on the
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Speaker 2: standard American diet have no idea how changing their diets
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Speaker 2: will help their energy levels go up and they'll feel
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Speaker 2: fresher and more energetic, and yet people feel awful. They
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Speaker 2: don't realize what better it is. So growing up my
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Speaker 2: parents were they were never too strict, and inside of
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Speaker 2: the home we always had obviously healthy plant based dishes,
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Speaker 2: lots of that's truth and vegetables. But outside of the house,
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Speaker 2: it was up to me to decide what I eat.
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Speaker 2: And I think that was so important for them to
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Speaker 2: do because they treated me like an adult, and I
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Speaker 2: think parents raising young children that's the best thing that
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Speaker 2: they can do for their children is teach them about
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Speaker 2: the importance of eating healthy foods and then let them
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Speaker 2: make their own choices.
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Speaker 1: I like that, tell you, because what your parents we're doing,
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Speaker 1: we're giving you an example. They were showing you what
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Speaker 1: is best for you, but they weren't holding you to it.
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Speaker 1: They let you have that freedom of choice. Did you
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Speaker 1: notice during your rebellion years you talk about your rebellion
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Speaker 1: years when you decided that, you know, you wanted to
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Speaker 1: go some other way as far as diets concerned, during
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Speaker 1: those years compared to the years following when you went
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Speaker 1: back to what you knew to be right, did you
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Speaker 1: notice a difference in your own life and your own
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Speaker 1: way of energy levels and thinking. Did it make a
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Speaker 1: difference to you?
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Speaker 2: Keep in mind, when I say rebelliousness, we're talking thinking
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Speaker 2: of chocolate chip cookie. You know, in my school's cafeteria.
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Speaker 2: At home, I was eating, you know, lots of kale
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Speaker 2: dishes and back choy dishes, and you know, I still
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Speaker 2: really enjoyed the taste of home cooking because it is
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Speaker 2: really delicious, and people don't realize that. So I never
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Speaker 2: really did have a transformation like many other people have.
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Speaker 2: I've never had fast food, so rebellion for me is
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Speaker 2: not the rebelliousness that other people would see it as.
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Speaker 2: You know, So I stopped sneaking more candy on Halloween
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Speaker 2: and that sort of thing, just because, you know, I
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Speaker 2: didn't want to eat those foods anymore. They just weren't food.
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Speaker 2: They were like cardboards.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 2: Who wants to put sugar and artificial coloring and all
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Speaker 2: that stuff in your body when you.
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Speaker 1: Know what it does, Okay, tell you. When you were
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Speaker 1: growing up, I would imagine that you face a lot
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Speaker 1: of the same type of situation that many young people
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Speaker 1: today face when they're trying to be healthy. Those around
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Speaker 1: you were eating the pizzas and the candy bars and
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Speaker 1: the ice creams and whatnot. You don't want to feel
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Speaker 1: left out. How did you overcome that feeling that you
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Speaker 1: are just different than everybody else?
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Speaker 2: Confidence and I think self esteem and knowing that, you know,
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Speaker 2: not caring what other people think of you, As hard
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Speaker 2: as that is at that age, because that's what it's
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Speaker 2: all about, what everybody else thinks. But when you are
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Speaker 2: proud of what you're doing, and this is the smartest
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Speaker 2: decision that anyone can make, for themselves and when you're
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Speaker 2: when you are making the decision out of your own
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Speaker 2: well being, you a natural result is that you're going
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Speaker 2: to become confident. And I think people become interested. People
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Speaker 2: are attracted, and people want to know information about something
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Speaker 2: that you're proud of and makes you feel well. And
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Speaker 2: you're going to always meet people who are not interested,
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Speaker 2: and you're going to meet people who are interested in
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Speaker 2: in this way of life. And I tend to gravitate
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Speaker 2: more towards the people that are, and I certainly have
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Speaker 2: friends that aren't, but the friends that aren't they respect me.
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Speaker 2: And it's all about respect. And I think not making
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Speaker 2: a big deal of the way you eat is also key.
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Speaker 2: If you're going out to dinner, there's usually something that
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Speaker 2: you can find on the menu that's healthier, and if
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Speaker 2: you don't make a big deal out of what you're ordering,
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Speaker 2: they're not going to make a big feel out of it.
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Speaker 2: And you know, just having fun being a teenager. So
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Speaker 2: I don't think it's you know, as hard as one
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Speaker 2: would imagine.
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Speaker 1: Other words, you would not sit across the table from
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Speaker 1: someone eating a steak and say, man, that's bad for you.
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Speaker 2: Maybe I would if I was an eighth grader went through.
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Speaker 2: I went through a period of telling people how bad
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Speaker 2: what they were eating was, And I'd say, do you
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Speaker 2: know how much chance batty acid or saturated that is
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Speaker 2: in that don't that you're eating? And you would have
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Speaker 2: not wanted to be my friend then, And I actually
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Speaker 2: did use of friends that way. But then I'm matured
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Speaker 2: and it didn't happen again, and I only tell people
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Speaker 2: advice if they ask for it.
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Speaker 1: I think, well, that's very very good. Well, that's what
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Speaker 1: we're doing on this program today. If people are listening
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Speaker 1: to this program, they're wanting to know how to live healthily,
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Speaker 1: and so they know that what you say to them
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Speaker 1: is in love and you are not condemning anyone. So
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Speaker 1: let's talk first of all to that eighth greater. There's
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Speaker 1: a thirteen fourteen, fifteen year old child listening to this
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Speaker 1: program right now. Let's say, what sales job would you
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Speaker 1: present to that young person concerning eating healthfully? How would
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Speaker 1: you put it?
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Speaker 2: Well, I'd say that you know, you have to make
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Speaker 2: it fun and you have to make it taste delicious,
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Speaker 2: because there's a huge misconception about eating bland, flavorless fruits
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Speaker 2: and vegetables, and now there's so many blogs and cooking
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Speaker 2: blogs about vegan you know, healthy meals that you can
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Speaker 2: have fun with your friends making even vegan quote unquote
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Speaker 2: cupcakes that you can use you know, with bates and
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Speaker 2: other fruit and you don't have to use oil. And
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Speaker 2: there's so many recipes and you know, I think that
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Speaker 2: just knowing that you're not sacrificing anything, and you know,
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Speaker 2: this is the quality of life, this is the lifestyle,
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Speaker 2: and you know you could all make it fun and
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Speaker 2: get your friends into it. And once you have the
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Speaker 2: knowledge and then you also are motivated to do so
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Speaker 2: you'll find the recipes and getting other people in your
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Speaker 2: life involved. But it's also, as I mentioned before, you
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Speaker 2: feel amazing. Let's say you're on a sports team and
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Speaker 2: you want to you know, run faster or you know,
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Speaker 2: increase your endurance. This diet will help you achieve that.
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Speaker 2: And who wants to, you know, have a runny nose,
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Speaker 2: or get asthma or allergies. All of those things don't
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Speaker 2: have to be there, and that is all a result
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Speaker 2: of what we eat. So you know, it's not just
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Speaker 2: preventing diseases down the road, which is obviously huge, but
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Speaker 2: it's how we feel every day, and that include living
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Speaker 2: your life as a middle school Now let's.
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Speaker 1: Talk to the teenagers. Let's talk to the high schoolers
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Speaker 1: here in the early college people. You know, when you
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Speaker 1: become a teenager, vanity steps in and never leaves. As
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Speaker 1: a matter of fact, So is there is there something
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Speaker 1: about the plant based the whole food plant based diet
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Speaker 1: that is good for the way you look?
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Speaker 2: My goodness, no question. Not only does your skin clear up,
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Speaker 2: which is I think the biggest problem being in high
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Speaker 2: school and your younger years in college is just your hormones,
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Speaker 2: and that ask me and temples and breakout. This diet
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Speaker 2: is the best way to clear up your skin. And
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Speaker 2: there's studies that show that the more green vegetables we consume,
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Speaker 2: and on a ray of colorful vegetables and fruits, and
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Speaker 2: even things like chocolate with obviously not sweetened with sugar,
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Speaker 2: but the cocoa powder you know, has been shown to
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Speaker 2: clear up skin and help us lose weight too. So
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Speaker 2: it's we're going to naturally find our ideal weight when
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Speaker 2: we're eating the healthiest diet on the planet, which is
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Speaker 2: what I'm talking about.
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Speaker 1: We're talking about a whole food plant based diet. We're
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Speaker 1: talking with Talia Furman here about this. She has studied
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Speaker 1: it at Cornell University and Nutritional Sciences, and she's studying
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Speaker 1: to be a chef in New York City. We'll talk
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Speaker 1: to her more about that when we come back, Telly,
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Speaker 1: we'll take a short break. When we come back, Let's
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Speaker 1: talk about moving into adulthood. Let's talk about the challenges
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Speaker 1: that we face in a society who is still holding
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Speaker 1: on to that standard American diet. How do we make
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Speaker 1: the transition? How do we keep ourselves sane in a
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Speaker 1: world that does not necessarily agree with us yet? So
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Speaker 1: stay tuned.
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Speaker 3: Hey, Sam, look at your window. What do you see?
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Speaker 4: Well? I see trees, grass, cars, buildings, and some kind
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Speaker 4: of bird.
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Speaker 3: Do you know that there are things out there that
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Speaker 3: are so small that you can only see them with
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Speaker 3: a microscope, and they can kill you?
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Speaker 4: Are you trying to cheer me up?
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Speaker 3: They're called germs, and there are a hundred million of
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Speaker 3: them right out there, just waiting to make you sick.
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Speaker 4: I'm already sick. That's why you came to visit me.
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Speaker 3: I was reading in a book that there is something
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Speaker 3: we can do to fight those germs, and I'm not
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Speaker 3: talking about medicine or getting a shot. Do you know
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Speaker 3: what that is?
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Speaker 4: Close the window? We can be happy? Happy? You mean
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Speaker 4: as in ha ha happy. That's right.
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Speaker 3: When we have a positive attitude and we aren't grouchy
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Speaker 3: or angry all the time, we help our bodies fight
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Speaker 3: germs because our immune system is working harder than when
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Speaker 3: we're sad or depressed. So are you happy? Sam?
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Speaker 4: I was until you started talking about germs.
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Speaker 3: King Solomon said that happiness can fight disease.
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Speaker 4: Solomon the Bible guy.
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Speaker 3: Yes, I learned a Bible verse last year that says
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Speaker 3: a cheerful heart is good medicine, but a crushed spirit
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Speaker 3: dries up the bones. That's proverb seventeen twenty two. What
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Speaker 3: do you think about that?
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Speaker 4: I think I need to lie down again. I feel
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Speaker 4: my bones drying up.
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Speaker 3: Well, you just go to sleep and I'll come back
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Speaker 3: and visit you later. Sam, I've got to make you
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Speaker 3: happy so you can heal faster.
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Speaker 4: Your true friend Rico, like the Bible says, he who
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Speaker 4: lets his sick friends sleep makes his bones better. Where
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Speaker 4: is that found? Sam? Five two?
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Speaker 3: I thought, so.
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Speaker 1: God has given us everything we need to be healthy,
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Speaker 1: inside and out. During Creation Week, he established a health
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Speaker 1: plan for every creature on Earth. To learn more about
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Speaker 1: healthy living and about the God who created us, all
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Speaker 1: go to kidsbibleinfo dot com. That's kids bibleinfo dot com.
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Speaker 1: This program was brought to you by the Children's Ministries
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Speaker 1: Department of the General Conference of Seventh Day Adventists. Welcome
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Speaker 1: back to the program. I'm your host, Charles Mills. We're
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Speaker 1: here with Kalia Furman. Yes, that Furman. Doctor Furman is
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Speaker 1: her dad, Lisa Firman her mom. We've had him on
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Speaker 1: the program before. Doctor Ferman the course is the author
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Speaker 1: of Eat to Live, amazing book and also his latest
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Speaker 1: super Immunity. And Talia is following faithfully in her parents' footsteps.
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Speaker 1: She has studied nutritional sciences at Cornell University and now
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Speaker 1: she's studying to be a chef in New York City.
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about being an adult in a world where
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Speaker 1: the standard American diet rules. Is it hard to be
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Speaker 1: who you want to be? You talked about passion, You
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Speaker 1: talked about knowing what's right and educating yourself. Is it difficult?
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Speaker 1: Is it embarrassing to you to walk around knowing that
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Speaker 1: you eat different than most people.
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Speaker 2: Oh, I think it's the opposite. There's nothing more confident boosting,
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Speaker 2: there's nothing more joyful than this way of life. And
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Speaker 2: I think there's just something empowering about knowing that what
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Speaker 2: you're putting into your body is going to prevent diseases
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Speaker 2: down the road, and nobody wants to spend their later
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Speaker 2: years suffering in a hospital or in a nursing home
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Speaker 2: and just you know, Alzheimer's and you know those all
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Speaker 2: those potential scary things. I think that helps me in
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Speaker 2: the present. When you make this a lifestyle and a commitment,
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Speaker 2: you can't help but be confident. And it's just once
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Speaker 2: you make to the lifestyle and it becomes easier, you
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Speaker 2: lose that insecurity. And I think it happens in the
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Speaker 2: beginning when you're making the transition in your youth eating
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Speaker 2: the standard American diet and you're confused about what how
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Speaker 2: to prepare meals and you know, changing your routine. That
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Speaker 2: can be the scary part, because we are creatures have
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Speaker 2: had it. But you know, just with a little bit
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Speaker 2: of time and a little bit of education, it becomes
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Speaker 2: a no brainer. And you know, it's just like training
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Speaker 2: yourself and as sport, and I used to be a
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Speaker 2: tennis player, and you know, perfecting the perfect strow will
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Speaker 2: the same just comes with practice.
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Speaker 1: So tell you how do you practice being healthy? How
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Speaker 1: do you practice eating healthy?
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Speaker 2: Well, most of the nutrition books on the market, including
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Speaker 2: my father's books Eat to Live and Eat for Health,
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Speaker 2: they all have recipes in the back of the book
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Speaker 2: is a little bit of it. And it's also you
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Speaker 2: know what to buy in the grocery store and what
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Speaker 2: to you know, order a restaurant. It's just learning about
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Speaker 2: the benefits of the stortain foods and learning how to
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Speaker 2: incorporate these foods into your meals. And it's a lot
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Speaker 2: easier than people would imagine. It could be as simple
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Speaker 2: as storing extra mushrooms and onions and a stir fry
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Speaker 2: because there's the health benefits of eating those foods. You know,
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Speaker 2: it's not rocket science.
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Speaker 1: Well, your mom and dad have certainly gone a long
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Speaker 1: ways and helping people do that. They have DVDs out
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Speaker 1: for people to look at. I've seen them and talked
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Speaker 1: to them about it, about how to be a neutritarian
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Speaker 1: and how to cook food. And your daddy actually goes
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Speaker 1: to a store and shows you how to prepare some
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Speaker 1: of the foods there and how to select them. Good stuff.
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Speaker 1: All of this stuff is available. Where where could people
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Speaker 1: learn more about what doctor Furman and Lisa Firman have
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Speaker 1: available to the world.
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Speaker 2: Oh. Absolutely, they have a fantastic website. It's just dr
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Speaker 2: for Doctor Furman dot com. And all of his books
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Speaker 2: are available on the website. And he's got a vitamin
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Speaker 2: line talks about why he includes certain nutrients vitamins and
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Speaker 2: minerals and those pills versus is the ones on the
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Speaker 2: market today which sometimes have, you know, adverse consequences. So
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Speaker 2: it's education with anything, including supplements. But all these things
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Speaker 2: are available on his website as well as Amazon or
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Speaker 2: any bookstore. Very easy to learn about what he does.
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Speaker 1: Oh very good. Okay, let me spell that again, d
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Speaker 1: R f u h r m an dot com, Doctor
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Speaker 1: Firman dot com. And also you can do searches for
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Speaker 1: his books with f u h r m an. All right,
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Speaker 1: Now you are studying Telia to be a chef? Now
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Speaker 1: are you studying in New York? Are you studying and
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Speaker 1: you want to stay in New York after you're done?
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Speaker 1: How's that working?
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Speaker 2: I love living in New York. It's no better place
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Speaker 2: to meet people who are like minded in the nutrition community.
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Speaker 2: And also you got the highest quality person vestibles that
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Speaker 2: I've seen on the East Coast. Maybe not in California equality,
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Speaker 2: but you know that that's we're going to get here.
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Speaker 2: And I think that it's a wonderful time because we
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Speaker 2: are seeing growing numbers of people getting healthier and interested
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Speaker 2: in the plant based as my dad likes to say,
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Speaker 2: nutritarian eating for nutrient way of life. And so it's
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Speaker 2: just a really exciting time and I'm just so happy
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Speaker 2: to be a part of it and knowing that we
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Speaker 2: can fight this obesity epidemic with preventative measures and not
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Speaker 2: just treating the symptoms. It's really about treating the working
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Speaker 2: on the cause.
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Speaker 1: When you open your restaurant, what are people going to
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Speaker 1: find in there? What's going to be different than the
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Speaker 1: restaurant right across the street that is not so interested
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Speaker 1: in nutrition? I mean, you got to say that bad
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Speaker 1: food tastes great, it really does. Can you make good
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Speaker 1: food taste that good to compete with bad food?
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Speaker 2: Cans down? Oh, It's easier than people would think. And
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Speaker 2: also I think people actually keep in mind that your
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Speaker 2: taste buds adopt to this way of eating, and after
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Speaker 2: eating even just a few weeks on the plant based lifestyle,
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Speaker 2: the oily cheeseburger or the hamburger, you know, isn't going
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Speaker 2: to be appetizing anymore. And I view, you know, white
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Speaker 2: bread as the equivalent of cardboard. It's just I'd much
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Speaker 2: rather have a hearty grain bread. It's just our brains
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Speaker 2: and our taste. But they like what we've been eating
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Speaker 2: over you know, the course of our lives. But it doesn't,
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Speaker 2: you know, take too long to change their tasteboods either.
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Speaker 2: So can these restaurants do it? Of course they can.
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Speaker 2: There's just countless fruits and vegetables and beans, nets and
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Speaker 2: seeds and spices and flavors that we could use. You
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Speaker 2: get so creative with these foods, whereas you sometimes the
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Speaker 2: creativity is there in the conventional American diet, but people
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Speaker 2: don't realize it's also there, if not more so, with
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Speaker 2: the nutrient rich way of life.
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Speaker 1: You know. Tell ya, I was up hiking on the
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Speaker 1: Skyline drive trails here in Virginia, and a young person
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Speaker 1: went by and had a backpack on, and he would
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Speaker 1: look like he was enjoying life. And I just sort
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Speaker 1: of talked to him and I asked him what he
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Speaker 1: was going to do. He said he had just finished university.
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Speaker 1: Asked what are you going to do? He says, I'm
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Speaker 1: going to be a vegan chef. I mean, here is
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Speaker 1: a random running into someone on skyline drive trails and
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Speaker 1: he wants to do what you want to do. Are
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Speaker 1: you seeing that in your peer group? Are you seeing
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Speaker 1: more and more young people abandoning the standard American diet
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Speaker 1: and moving more toward the healthy diet?
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Speaker 2: I really am. That's why it's just a great It's
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Speaker 2: a great time to be young and inner city because
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Speaker 2: I think that there's there's just so many people who
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Speaker 2: are becoming more interested and getting healthy and fit and
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Speaker 2: wanting to share that with others. I think that there's
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Speaker 2: nothing more rewarding than helping people and knowing that you
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Speaker 2: can help people by teaching them about preventative medicine with
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Speaker 2: our diets, and also making it taste great like this
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Speaker 2: other person is. It's such a joy.
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Speaker 1: If you could go into the kitchens of most Americans
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Speaker 1: and remove three items, just three, what would you take
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Speaker 1: out that would make them healthier?
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Speaker 2: Yes, salt is a big one. Salt is I think
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Speaker 2: people are just so used to salting their food, and
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Speaker 2: you know they they're missing out on the natural flavors
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Speaker 2: of food. And oil is another big one. Oil is
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Speaker 2: just one hundred and twenty calories per tablesoon, and that's
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Speaker 2: a lot of calories that you can just be accumulating
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Speaker 2: from oil, which is devoid of nutrients. And then also
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Speaker 2: high saturated fat cheese and butter are one of the
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Speaker 2: worst foods we could eat.
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Speaker 1: Okay, salt and oil and butter would go out. What
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Speaker 1: would you put in this place that tastes anywhere halfway decent?
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Speaker 2: Nets and seeds. You can do amazing things with nuts
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Speaker 2: and seeds. That's how you get your healthy fat because
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Speaker 2: this is not necessarily a low fat diet, but because
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Speaker 2: we need healthy fats for our brain functioning. And so
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Speaker 2: we can make a vegan nut based or cashi based
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Speaker 2: fetichini alfredo with whole wheat noodles, or been such a
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Speaker 2: thing as bean pasta and put it, throw a sun
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Speaker 2: dried tomatoes and broccoli and sinach and with our cashew
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Speaker 2: based peesto, and you can get so creative with meals.
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Speaker 2: But just you know, in general, and nothing seeds are
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Speaker 2: you know, fabulous for making creamy sauces and in breakfast
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Speaker 2: bars and talking on cereals and there's just so much
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Speaker 2: you can do with them.
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Speaker 1: All right, well, very good. Well, this is spoken to
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Speaker 1: us by future chef and present graduate of Cornell University's
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Speaker 1: Nutritional Sciences. This is Talia Furman has been our guest today. Talia,
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Speaker 1: you have given us a lot of encouragement here. I
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Speaker 1: want to let you have the final say on this interview.
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Speaker 1: If you are talking to the world and in one
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Speaker 1: sentence you wanted to invite them to become healthy, what would.
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Speaker 2: You say, Just do it, Just do it. Your body
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Speaker 2: will thank you, and it's the best thing that you
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Speaker 2: could do the rest of your life.
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Speaker 1: All right, very good. And she has a dad mom,
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Speaker 1: She has a lot of history here in her family
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Speaker 1: that can prove what she said to be absolutely correct.
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Speaker 1: Talia Firman, thank you very much for being with us today.
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Speaker 1: Appreciate it.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Charles, lovely to be here.
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Speaker 1: And I want to remind you listener of that website
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Speaker 1: Talia was talking about, d R. Furman dot com, d
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Speaker 1: R f U h R m a n dot com.
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Speaker 1: A lot of information there, a lot of resources available
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Speaker 1: to you, DVD's, books, good stuff. You have no excuse
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Speaker 1: now not to be as healthy as you can be.
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Speaker 1: Talia and her family has made that available to you
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Speaker 1: until next time. This is Charles Mills along with Talia Firman,
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Speaker 1: inviting you to remain heart wise. Goodbye everyone, Thank you
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