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MidLife Card Chase Episode 1- Graig and David Chase Declare War!! · Sports Card Clubhouse

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Episode 1 of Midlife Card Chase with none other than David
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Chase. My friend, how are you?
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Welcome to the sports card clubhouse permanently.
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Wow, I mean permanently for now. I really appreciate it until I
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get you annoyed at me. But man, it is fun to be here.
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I'm very, very excited to be doing this with you buddy.
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You know, we're, we're friends that talk anyway outside of
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this, so we're just bringing it onto the podcast, aren't we?
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100% Now if David looks familiar, if he sounds familiar,
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first thing I will say is you can find him Saturday nights on
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Sports Cards Live and he's been on this channel a couple of
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times and and just if you need just a really a little a little
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tiny reminder, all right, So tell us what's happening, bud,
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All right. So these are cars I'm probably
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not selling, but there's a chance someday in the future I
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might. So I tried to.
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So David was the face of of MBA stickers for at least a couple
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of days, right? Has that changed?
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Am I not the face of my sticker stickers?
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I don't know what the world thinks.
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All I know is that you're open minded to the sticker thing and
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when cards have sold they've done better.
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But we've been down that road and we can circle back to that.
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I want to start things off right here and I want to set the
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record straight for a second on how did this come to be?
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How did this show right here? Because I introduced it on, on
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my channel on Wednesday, April 29th and I, I made the
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announcement and I'm, it sounds like maybe I made a little bit
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of a mistake in how this all all played out.
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So let's go through this together.
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Yeah, you were aggressive. You were very aggressive in the
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way that you brought, that you said that, that we started that.
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I basically begged you. Greg, can we have a show
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together, please? That's basically what you said
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on your show, am I right? I I that's not how I intended it
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to sound. If that's how it came across
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then my apologies. Here's what I remember is when
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we first met at the West Coast Card Show in February, believe
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it or not, this was like 2 months ago.
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The first time we ever spoke was two months ago.
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And when that happened, I remember meeting you, liking
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you, and then not far into it, I could tell you had a lot of
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charisma and I said you should start a channel And you said and
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and then tell me what was the play by play on how we got to
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where we are right now? Yeah, I mean, even when we were
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at West Coast Card Show, by the way, was kind of we, we spoke
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for only like 10 minutes right at the show.
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And but Greg was exactly how you want Greg to be, you know, when
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you talk to him, sweet, kind, nice, pretending to listen to
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what you're saying. So that was like all wonderful.
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He actually, I was hanging out with one of my dealer friends
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and they had like a young child that was like his godson that
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was helping him. We haven't spoken about this
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Greg, but like Greg started talking to him about like doing
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a podcast someday. And I think even you gave him
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like some a little bit of money to be able to buy some
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equipment. Like Greg was just, you know,
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Mr. Rogers the way that we all know he is.
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And so like, it was a good conversation, but you know, I
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thought that was great. It was nice.
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Greg and I like, you know, had a had a very nice correspondence
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for 10 minutes. Then he taped that Mike Baker
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sticker thing. And then from there, like a
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couple of days later, I ended up getting a text from you saying
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you got my number from Mike Petty.
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And then we just kind of started talking and texting.
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And that's when I think you said you, you should have a channel.
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And I was like, Nah, I don't need to have one.
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And I said, but I, I'm fine with like, you know, doing stuff with
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other people. I love all of these content
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creators, what they do. I'm a huge supporter.
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I watch all your stuff and I watch a lot of people stuff.
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And you're like, that's great. But like, I think I, and then
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you think you said something like you and I, we need to do
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something eventually. You like said something like
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that. I I'm trying to figure out what
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I can do with you. Like you said something like
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that, which I took it as when you finally, finally like a week
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later, you asked me like, do you want to do the show to talk
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about my thicker stickers? Right.
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So that's kind of what I thought of of you asked me what to do.
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Fast forward like a month later, we ended up as we were talking,
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you said to me, you said I want you to think about doing
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something on my network and don't, you don't have to make an
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answer now. This is like Greg's sales pitch.
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You don't have to do an answer now, but we will talk about it.
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And I said we'll talk about it in Strongsville.
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So when I brought that up, that was because you mentioned before
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we should do like not that we should do something, that I
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should do something. And I was basically saying I
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don't want to do something by myself.
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But listen, if you want to do something together that would be
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entertaining, That's that's my perception of what happened.
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Am I crazy? No, I mean, a lot of that sounds
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like things I would say. I do think that I do.
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I do recall suggesting that you should do something on the
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Clubhouse network. I think that I enjoy talking
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with you and I think that of course, anytime that you would
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be speaking to people, they would enjoy it because I enjoy
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it. I do want to circle, but now
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that we've cleared the air, so you didn't beg me on your hands
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and knees like apparently I said that you did.
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It was actually more of a mutual kind of from you should do a
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channel to you should do something on our network to why
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don't we do something together on the network and then here we
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are. Regardless, I'm very excited for
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this and plan is that this will be twice a month.
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And then we have a couple other shows that are going to be kind.
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They're working out a few details that are going to fill
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in a couple of times a month. So there should be a regular
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show coming on the channel on a certain day of the week.
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Again, we'll finalize all that. Wait, I want to talk about that
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for a second. OK, so.
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I got to interject one thing a second ago.
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You said that I gave money to a kid and I just feel like I need
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to address that because that sounds a little odd that I'm
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giving money to a kid. So no, it's great.
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Well, I'm, yeah, it sounds a little bit weird, depending on
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how you hear it. The kid, the, the kid in
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question is a a really nice kid who's into vintage cards.
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He's into learning about the economics of cards.
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And, and I believe that the best learning that takes place is
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real life situations like this. He'll learn more trying to sell
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cards at card shows then he will this entire year at school,
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whatever grade he's in. And what I, what I did it when
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you do it, when you do what you consider to be a decent deed,
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you don't usually talk about it because that's not why you, you,
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you do the deed. You do it because you feel like
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it's the right thing to do. And I suggested to him that he
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should start a channel because he's got charisma.
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He's a good kid. It it's a positive outlet.
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There's a lot worse things you could be doing.
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And he said, my mom won't let me.
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I tried to talk her into it. And I said, well, maybe you
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approach mom with the idea of you not show your face for a
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while. It'd be a faceless channel.
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And you go to card shows and you deal at card shows and you show
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cards and he goes, well, how does that work?
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How could I do it where don't show my face?
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And I said, do you see this, 'cause I wear like a harness
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sometimes where on my chest I'll mount my camera on my phone.
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Basically a baby Bjorn. It's a baby Bjorn for a for a
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phone and I said you need one of these.
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And so I gave him like 20 bucks and I said here, buy one on
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Amazon and you can get started and you can start to make stuff
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and you can see what mom thinks and maybe it'll be a compromise.
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So that's that's what that was all about now.
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I don't even make it sound like that you were doing something
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sketchy. No, I just wanted to explain.
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It's like it was just like, well, you got a, there's a kid
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who you're trying to make do videos and you gave him money.
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It just it felt weird to me, so I felt like I needed to clarify.
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I get it. So here's the thing about Greg
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and my relationship. OK?
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I'm Greg is the nicest, sweetest person.
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He's actually, as funny as this sounds, he's very similar to my
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wife. OK, She's because she is
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extremely sensitive. I've had to learn to keep my
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brashness down by being married to a wonderful woman like her,
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who I totally overachieved for. By the way, she's like, smart
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and beautiful and wonderful and Greg.
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And by the way, I offend her all the time without even knowing,
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and I offend Greg literally every time I've ever been on any
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show. That's not true.
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I I've apologized to you, second most of anybody besides my wife,
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and we've known each other for two months.
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That's that's not true, first of all, but let's just keep moving
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forward the fact. I apologize to you often.
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You don't need to apologize to me often.
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You might apologize to me somewhat frequently, but you
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don't need to. You've never actually offended
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me. You've never actually, truly, I
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mean that you've never actually offended me.
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I'm a person who looks at somebody's heart and based on
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their heart is it? It tells you the intent of the
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person and that usually makes it clear on what the point of the
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conversation or statement was. I think you have a wonderful
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heart and I'm very happy to be associated with you.
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Now we you were starting to say something and I interrupted.
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It's probably gone. If it's not gone, go ahead.
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But do you remember what it was? But because we got a lot of
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stuff to talk. About let's talk.
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I know I literally have a list of like 50 things.
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I have a lot to talk about with. How?
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How long is this thing? That's first question.
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Well, they, you know, they say in the biz, you know, if you go
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too long then people won't listen.
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So generally speaking, like Mike and I on our podcast and I and I
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know you have a bone to pick with Mike and we can go there
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next if you'd like. But Mike and I try to target
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around 40 minutes. Once we get to about 45, it's
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like we need to like find the off ramp quick.
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So 35 to 45 minutes is sort of like the the goal for me
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whenever we do these things being twice a month, if we're a
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little bit on the long side, that's OK.
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This has been the fastest 12 minutes of my day.
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So hold your jokes, people. But that's that's that said,
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yeah. So that's where we're at.
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I'm used to five hours. I'm used to five hours on Sports
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Cars Live. So we're blowing it away.
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All right. I'm just warning you this
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episode is going longer than 40 minutes, so I apologize that our
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ratings are going to be lower. OK, That's OK.
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All right. Do you want to get into the mic
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situation? All right, first of all, I want
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to ask, I mean, what what's this that you're hiding about what's
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on this podcast network that listen, I watch everything you
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do. You know that I'm a huge fan.
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You're my friend and I'm a a fan of you this podcast network.
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It's you junk, junk wax Mike, right?
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And what else? And and what is it that you both
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have your own channels together? You're you're OK.
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OK. So the sports Card clubhouse was
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the creation of three of us. Myself, Junk Wax, Mike Adam,
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Splendid Sports. I like.
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Adam Adam does a show about once a month with Dylan Double D
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vintage baseball cards. Adam is also our tech guy and
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does our website which has a bunch of features on it.
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Sports Card clubhouse.com Mike and I do a once a week episode
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pretty much every week. This is going to run twice a
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month. Mike is going to start doing a
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twice a month show consistently. He has one guest for once a
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month and another guest for once a month.
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I believe that that is finalized, but I don't want to
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speak out of turn and say that he has landed a guest for sure.
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I'm almost positive that they're locked down and they're big time
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guests. OK, But I don't want to.
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I don't want to say something that I have to then retract.
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In addition to that, we have these extra innings episodes
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where Tony Southern Collector and Mike Petty, they do their
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odd couple episodes and they do like a 20 minute once a month.
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They do a 20 minute extra innings on the channel and then
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my buddy Jacob Wax pack Wisdom and Matt from Providence, they
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do an extra innings and they tend to do it more like two or
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three times a month. Those usually run on Thursdays.
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So at the moment, that's everything we have and we're
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always working on expanding. So I actually had a conversation
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today about expanding that. So that said, that's the network
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that'll answer the question. You answered it perfectly and
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it's very interesting with me with Junk Wax Mike.
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So let's talk about our buddy Mike.
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So I didn't know Mike before going to Strongsville, right?
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He seemed like a nice guy. I was excited to to meet him,
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just like I was excited to meet tons of other famous Youtubers
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across the nation. And I go to the show and I have
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like great conversations with Mike.
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You know, he's, he's my kind of person.
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You know, he, he has like a sarcastic sense of humor.
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He's self deprecating. He's funny.
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He's dry, like a dry wit, which I also love.
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Funny. Well, he was funny and then I
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felt like he kind of big timed me.
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Oh boy, here we go. We're getting into the juicy
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stuff. And I, I confronted Mike about
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this, by the way, so this isn't a secret to him.
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OK, I sent you a video. Do you have the video of?
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Course I have the video, I'm a professor.
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Let's play it first and then we're going to talk about what
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I'm talking about. Here we go.
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Here we go. Got this morning.
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I went to breakfast with a bunch of guys.
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I haven't seen the photo yet. I know Greg took a photo, but it
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was great. I mean, it was me, Greg, Theo,
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Darren, Mike Petty who paid for everybody, Mookie Chilson.
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There's a there's a bunch of people there.
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Perfect. That was the perfect thing to
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show right there. So it's a very interesting.
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Picture on the screen. If you're listening, I am
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showing the picture that Mike referenced of the group at
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breakfast. So I understand if I was on the
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other side of junk pack junk wax Hero, but I'm literally next to
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him, right? And it's interesting when he
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says that video, he pauses right after he like, starts naming
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every single person around, and he's literally naming every
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single person around him. He didn't name everybody.
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Well, he named 90% and I'm sitting next to him and by the
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way, we had two meals and I sat next to him both meals.
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OK, play, play. I need you to play it one more
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time. I want you to pay attention to
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as he's saying the names. He stops and this is what he
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does. He's thinking, should I say
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David? Should I say David?
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No, I'm saying I'm not going to say him on purpose.
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Watch again and and and think about.
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It I feel like I'm in the middle of something here, but let's go
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ahead and here we go. Got this morning, went to
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breakfast with a bunch of guys. I haven't seen the photo yet.
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I know Greg took a photo, but it was great.
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I mean, it was me, Greg, Theo, Darren, Mike Petty who paid for
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everybody, Mookie Chilson, There's a, there's a bunch of
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people there. Right before Mookie.
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Are you going to tell me he was not thinking about me right
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there? I don't.
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I don't know. But I do have the lunch picture
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too. Yeah.
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And where? Is he?
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Let's find him. At lunch he is right here, kind
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of diagonally across from you and directly across from Darren.
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We're at a four person table. It's myself, Mike Petty, Darren
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and him. OK, So all I'm saying is he big
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timed me a little bit in in that statement.
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I think, and I think that he's, it was very passive aggressive
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and I wanted to like him, but that's basically him sticking up
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his middle finger to me. Don't do it.
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Am I crazy to think this? Well, in fairness, in fairness,
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he did mention a few people. So he mentioned so Mike here
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mentioned Petty, Darren, Theo, Mookie and myself.
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But then there were three people that he left out, and the.
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Those people are opposite sides of the table.
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I'm next to him, am I crazy? I mean, I don't, I can't defend
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him right now. I mean, you basically have
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absolutely nailed him down. You think that a war is starting
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OK and. If if you don't sense the
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sarcasm from David, obviously there's a ton.
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There is no sarcasm as I'm saying this.
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There is a war that is starting. OK, And here's the situation how
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the the number one goal is this podcast needs to be the number
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one show on the channel, OK? And we need to make sure that
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junk wax OK his shows that he's on, we have to bring those down
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a little bit. I'm not saying not to watch them
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'cause I need Greg to make money off of this thing.
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Fine, Watch it once. Watch it.
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Once this show, when you finish it, you need to just keep
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pressing play over and over again.
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Put it on your iPad, put it on your thing, because we need to
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show him that this is the number one show and that he cannot big
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time. Sorry that I don't have a
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channel. All right, Junk wax Mike.
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All right. So I just want to put that out
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there that he's not forgiven and there's going to be a lot of
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apologizing before we're friends again.
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Well, unfortunately the beef continued today.
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The beef continued today and, and I'm going to have to take it
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into you and I have a little bit of a beef.
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We do. Yeah, we do.
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Because you posted a question on my channel for Q&A about Oreos
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and you said I think the regular Oreos are the way to go.
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I twist them off. I take the 1/2, I feed it to my
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dog where it should be disposed of.
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I then take another one. I take the half off.
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I put it together and I have two creams, 2 ends and it's perfect.
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And you said my wife feels that we should buy double stuff.
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So tell me what do you think? And and I did a whole episode on
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it now or not a whole episode. I did a whole segment on it you
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then it was. 80% of the episode, but yeah, keep going.
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You then left a comment that said I'm erasing this video from
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my feed to make sure my wife doesn't accidentally come across
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it. And then Mike chimes in and says
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I'm so disappointed in you David.
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Double stuff or GTFO mega stuff even I mean.
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So you can see that there's a lot of resentment coming from
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him, am I right? I mean, there's definitely
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resentment. And then there was another
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comment from someone named Eve Chase.
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Now Eve Chase left a comment and it said you squashed the Oreo
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argument. Greg spoken like the true genius
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that you are, someone named Eve Chase.
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Do you? Do you, David, know anybody
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named Eve Chase? I've I've never heard of that
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person in my entire life. I don't know what you're talking
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about. My wife had to make you listen.
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She loves to disagree with anything of my opinions.
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So I mean, this is her her. She's very excited when somebody
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takes her side over me. So all right, that's by the way.
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If you read the other 75 comments, 99% of those people
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are agreeing with me on that. And it's very interesting that
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you do these, you do these question and answers all the
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time. And you're so politically
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correct every single time. Well, before I give an answer, I
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want to just say that, but anybody can have their own
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opinion. Like you say that literally with
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every answer that you give. This one, you were like so
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aggressive and so sure of yourself.
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And I mean, what is it that you have against what I was saying?
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You just said you have a bone to pick with me.
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What's the bone you have to pick with me about?
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It's a terrible take that the regular stuff, the regular Oreos
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get rid of half, waste that half, throw it in the garbage,
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and then take another half and put them together when I even
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broke it down. Mathematically, this is just an
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absolute no brainer. Now, if you're tuning in and
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you've made it through 23 minutes, but some people
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probably haven't at this point because we haven't even
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mentioned cards. We haven't even.
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We haven't even talked about cards and I have I have a card
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question, specific card question, but I know you have
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some topics too. So I want to I, I told you I
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would give you the 1st card question if if you want to bring
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it up. Are we getting serious now, Huh?
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Well, I'm I'm just saying at some point the the people
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probably want to hear some card takes.
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They're already praying pressing play for their third time, like
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I, like your fans, are supposed to be doing right now to make
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sure to beat Mike. So all right, here's the card
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question that I thought of for us, Greg.
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Is there a part of the hobby that you feel like that you're,
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that you excel in, that's like a niche that you feel like that
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you have an advantage of over another kind of card collector
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and something that you feel like you need to improve upon that
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you need to work on within the hobby?
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OK, well I'm writing this down because it's a long question and
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I want to make sure that I answer it completely.
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Let's answer just the first part right?
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Just like what do you feel like you're you excel in and that
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you're better above than than many others?
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Well, I don't know if I'm better than other people, but I do
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think this, I, I think that because I have a relatively
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tight budget and people say you don't have a tight budget, you
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bought a $5000 card at Strongsville.
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I guess you could say that, but because I feel that compared to
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a lot of the people that I'm around my budget for what I'm
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trying to acquire, my budget is is fairly tight.
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And because of that, it has forced me to be patient.
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And I think one of the problems that a lot of us in the
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community have is we show up to a show with a list, we walk
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around the room once or twice. We go, well, that card's on the
25:12
list. So I'm going to go buy that card
25:15
because it's on the list. Even if you don't like that
25:18
example of that card, I literally walked through the
25:24
National for five hours in 2024 looking specifically for a
25:32
certain Thai Cob card or a certain Cy Young card.
25:35
I didn't find one that was the right one, so I just continued
25:39
to pivot down the list of items. So I I feel like my strength is
25:46
because I'm on a tight budget. I don't want to make mistakes
25:51
because I don't want to make mistakes.
25:53
I'm patient, even though in real life I'm a very impatient
25:58
person, very impatient when it comes to financial things.
26:02
I tend to be more patient. Like I started by retirement
26:05
account young. I did a, a 15 year loan instead
26:09
of a 30 because I was going to be broke for a while, but then
26:13
eventually I would not have a house payment.
26:17
You know, I, I do. I've done a lot of things
26:19
financially that are patient and I'm putting off the good times
26:25
and suffering now in the meantime.
26:27
And so I think a lot of people struggle with that.
26:30
I think people show up with cash and they feel like they have to
26:33
spend it. And I, I try really hard not to
26:37
do that. Of course I make mistakes, but I
26:40
feel like because I'm willing to just go to the next card to the
26:44
next card to the next card until I find the right example of one
26:47
of the items. Then I feel, I feel like, I feel
26:51
like every time you change, you lose.
26:54
And so you don't want to change. It's like every time you buy a
26:58
house and you sell the house, the realtor gets 5% and so
27:03
you're losing 5%. So you got to you got to make up
27:06
for that 5%. So instead just wait and get the
27:10
right house. Again, we could get into a whole
27:12
discussion about that, but I think one of my strengths is my
27:16
patience and my pickiness. How about you?
27:20
That's a good one. I, I have a question though,
27:21
about, about what you were saying.
27:23
I'm surprised you say that you're not a patient person in
27:26
real life, because I would just when I think about you, I, I'm
27:33
somebody that I think everybody can see is not patient, right?
27:35
I have ADD I'm a I'm all over the place, right, But you're
27:38
somebody that's very calculated and even though like the way
27:41
that you speak and stuff and I feel like that's kind of a a
27:44
patience is a lot of times a virtue of that and everything.
27:46
So you really feel like, I mean, with your daughters and things
27:50
like that, you feel like that you have not been a very patient
27:52
person in general or just something you work on.
27:55
What's that? I don't, I don't have great
27:58
examples of my, my lack of patience in real life, but I'm,
28:04
I'm definitely, I'm definitely impatient.
28:07
And part of part of the result of that is I work really, really
28:12
hard because I want to get things done.
28:13
Like I'm a task oriented person. So I'm like, I've got to do this
28:18
video today and I'm going to work really, really hard until
28:22
it's done because I can't relax until it's done.
28:25
So I can't do anything else. And then I got to do this and I
28:28
got to focus on this. I got to take care of this and
28:30
then I can worry about the next thing.
28:34
You know, when it comes to like work, I'm very, very efficient.
28:39
Like people say, how do you do all this stuff?
28:41
Because I don't waste time because once I go, I am hit the
28:45
ground running type of person. When I go through a show, I try
28:50
to be very efficient. I try to be very, you know,
28:54
dedicated mentally to what I'm doing.
28:57
Sometimes, you know, if, if I've got distractions or if I have,
29:01
you know, communications with people or I meet people,
29:04
sometimes it throws me off a little bit and then I go, I go,
29:07
OK, I got to get refocused, where was I?
29:09
But I definitely think I'm, I'm not a patient.
29:13
I'm not a patient person. And I'm definitely not a patient
29:18
person and my family is always impressed with the patients.
29:22
I've learned over the years because I'm married to my wife,
29:25
who is one of those people who's like always late and she used to
29:29
be like hour late to everything. She's now pretty good and only
29:32
15 minutes late to everything, but still like it tests me all
29:36
the time. And my family just laughs
29:37
because we're like, we're so opposites, but we have the same
29:40
ethics, but we just have a very different demeanor.
29:43
OK. For me, the thing that I feel
29:46
like that I, I'm pretty good at is I'm, I feel like I have a
29:53
very good way of the cards that I'm looking for to figure out
29:58
pricing. And I feel like I'm kind of like
30:01
a ninja on figuring out what a price should be including on
30:06
high. I appeal, which I think is very
30:08
tough for some people to be able to figure out.
30:11
And I have a dealer that kind of, we go back and forth all the
30:15
time by my buddy John Irwin and he like we kind of go back and
30:19
forth on like what we think values are of different things.
30:21
And by the way, if you ever want to try to improve in pricing,
30:24
that's a fun thing to do. It's kind of like a game that
30:26
you can play where it's like cards that you like that are
30:28
about to sell on eBay or something and just kind of
30:31
figure out what you think the price is because there's such
30:33
different pricing based on I appeal these days.
30:36
And I know everyone thinks that I appeal is so crazy and how
30:39
high it is and everything like that.
30:41
I think in generalities, there's always exceptions to the rule
30:45
that I can get pretty close to what I feel like the price is
30:48
going to be, even in this crazy market where we're paying very,
30:51
very high prices. Of course, like an iconic car
30:54
with a gold sticker is going to go for a number that it's hard
30:57
for me to figure out. But in general, like a nice
31:02
version of a card that's on my radar, like a nice version of a
31:05
49 Bowman Jackie at a certain grade, I can kind of see where
31:11
that should the range of price that that should be.
31:15
That is a really good skill to have.
31:19
Having that ninja skill is a good skill to have.
31:23
And I might I might utilize you at the national this year
31:29
because it is it is hard to know what the I appeal movement is
31:34
doing to like I have a lot of people that'll say to me like my
31:38
dad, my dad, he buys a lot on eBay.
31:41
He watch he watches a lot on eBay and he'll be like, man,
31:45
this card is always 708 hundred dollars.
31:48
What do you think I should bid? I'm like, well, that one, you
31:51
know, or he'll see what one sells for and he'll go that sold
31:55
for 950 bucks. The highest the one has ever
31:58
gone before was 800 bucks like that's crazy.
32:02
And it's like, is it or is it that that's really what the
32:08
added I appeal is, is worth right now in the market?
32:11
So not to say that my dad's wrong.
32:14
I mean, a lot of us look at any industry, you know, whether it
32:18
be a used car or a house or, or anything that we're buying and
32:22
we go, man, that price. They, they usually sell for
32:25
this. Why'd that one sell for so much
32:27
more? Why'd that one sell for so much
32:29
less? It should be in the range.
32:31
Why did it go out of the range? I think a lot of us have that,
32:34
so I think that's a good skill. Let me start with you then on
32:36
the weakness like I. Want to, I want to just say one
32:39
extra thing to that for people that are trying to figure out
32:42
pricing, just a little trick to kind of do when you're looking
32:46
at the price of your grade, look at the grades around it also,
32:51
right? If you're looking at APSA 2 1/2,
32:55
look at a 2, a three, the highest it's sold for the
32:59
averages, those kind of things. And then do the same thing with
33:01
SGCS because if you see that an SGC 2 1/2 has gone for more than
33:06
APSA 2 1/2, then that's kind of an interesting thought because
33:10
usually SGCS are lower, right? So that's why it's not just a
33:14
very small thing that you're looking at.
33:16
You have to look at the things around what you're looking at
33:18
too, especially when you're buying like a big card or a gold
33:21
card to be paying attention to. Sorry, go ahead.
33:23
I, I think that's really good advice.
33:25
I think that's really good advice.
33:26
And I don't think that I do enough of that.
33:29
I've probably. Can work on.
33:31
Right. I've, I've overpaid for some
33:33
cards before and I could specifically point to some of
33:37
those cards. But then when you see the card,
33:40
you go, well, did he overpay? So I'm not afraid to, you know,
33:46
set a new comp. So what?
33:49
You know, when you say that you ended up like coming to me after
33:53
you already bought a card, and I'm, I'm not going to get into
33:56
specific just because it's a but you, you bought a card that was
33:59
very nice that you actually were wondering if you overpaid.
34:02
And I was like, you did not overpay for that card.
34:05
And I kind of like went, I, I showed you quick numbers about
34:08
it and I was like, I'll buy that card from you for a profit right
34:11
now if you want to sell it, right.
34:13
So like, just because if you're going off of averages on I
34:18
appeal, you're always going to be well off, right?
34:21
That's just an easy way to kind of say it, no?
34:24
What's your weakness? Like?
34:26
Where? Where do you need to get better?
34:29
Besides humility, I need to figure out oddball that's
34:40
outside of the like four or five oddball sets that I enjoy.
34:44
You know? I I, I know very well red
34:47
hearts, dandies, if those are even considered Wilson Franks,
34:50
right? I mean, I don't know if those
34:52
are even oddballs because they're still like kind of
34:53
mainstream and I love them. But like especially pre war man,
34:58
this is another story. There's so many stories I want
34:59
to be talking to you about. But like I went to Mike Petty's
35:01
house last week and Oh my God, the Petty pad is what I call it.
35:06
And it was to go through his collection is it is incredible.
35:12
And just hearing him talk about each one and he always tries to
35:15
talk down every card that he has, which is just hilarious.
35:17
But like he has so many candy and ice cream and chocolate and
35:24
caramel of kind of like pre war cards that are like black and
35:29
white ones that I don't know anything about.
35:32
But like they are so cool. A lot of them have low pop and
35:37
they're just, I can see myself diving in deep into those kind
35:41
of things and I really to be a more well-rounded collector.
35:46
Even though those aren't my passion at the moment, I do I
35:51
want to understand understand them and I feel like if the more
35:55
I understand them, I'll probably grow to love them.
35:59
Why do you think you haven't jumped in on that yet?
36:03
Like why do you think you've resisted learning about those
36:06
cards? Is it because you've been mostly
36:10
a post war collector? Or is it because you're just
36:14
like, there's too much? So I'm just going to kind of
36:17
head in a different direction, Like what's the reason?
36:21
I just don't really have passion towards them at this point.
36:23
Yeah, you have to have passion towards what you're collecting.
36:26
And the things that get my juices flowing are cards from
36:31
the 40s and 50s. I mean, anything after like 1959
36:35
also like it's has to be a pretty special card for me to be
36:39
into. I, I, but I don't have rules,
36:42
right? And I know that Jeremy Lee talks
36:44
about, he has rules. He won't have a oversized card
36:47
and he won't have an sticker autograph.
36:49
I, I guess I, I thought at one point I, I had a rule where I
36:52
didn't want cards before night after 1959, but then I fell down
36:55
the rabbit hole of 67 Venezuelan Retron and that's like the
36:59
coolest set of all time. And it's low pop.
37:03
A lot of those cards are very affordable.
37:05
They're all hall of farmers. Yes, they're not playing days,
37:07
but they are just super cool. And I kind of feel like it's
37:10
like a a little brother to the leaf set because they're also
37:13
kind of like gangster ish where they're all a mess and they're
37:17
cut wrong and they're probably not even like really made by
37:19
tops, even though they say so. So, you know, I just have to
37:24
really love what I'm buying, especially if you're buying a
37:28
car that's more than a few $100. And you know, if I'm buying a
37:32
Babe Ruth card, I, I, I don't have any of the Gaudi Babe Ruth
37:36
cards. There's still so many cards I
37:37
need that I love that I have a passion for that I feel like I
37:41
kind of need before I dive into that version and I have a list
37:45
of like 50 cards that I'm always kind of like, I'm so nerdy.
37:49
I just like kind of like go into a, a list.
37:51
I'm like, you know what? I now want this card on top of
37:53
this one and I switch up my list all the time.
37:56
And it's just those cards are what I'm concentrating in this
38:00
moment in time. But I will expand it.
38:04
Just I haven't done it yet. So I just don't have the passion
38:06
for it. I think I, I wrote to you one
38:08
time and then you might have even said this on one of your
38:09
question answers. Like I kind of feel like those
38:11
cards are very like antiquey. It's kind of like my
38:15
grandparents kind of cards. I know that that's weird because
38:18
it really 1950s cards are my grandparents cards too, but they
38:23
just seem like it's a different generation and they they're a
38:26
little bit far removed from me. And I just don't, you know, I
38:29
didn't hear tons of stories about Ty Cobb and Walter Johnson
38:35
and Christy Matthewson. And I know that they're all
38:37
amazing people and I know that they have crazy stats.
38:40
I just I don't have the the connection towards them.
38:45
Yeah, you, you did mention that in a comment one time.
38:48
For me, it's, it's silly where I'm at, but I'm struggling with
38:56
the SGC thing and I'm struggling with the mixed collection of
39:03
some PSA, some SGC like it. It drives me insane to not have
39:12
the same cases like it. It drives me insane and I don't
39:17
want it to drive me insane because oh, I mean like I went
39:21
through Tim Paine's cases at the Strongsville show and I'd say
39:24
8590% of his cards were in SGC holders.
39:29
I I bought a card at the Strongsville show and an SGC
39:33
holder. I bought 3 cards at the
39:35
Strongsville show and an SGC holder.
39:37
But certain cards I'll buy in an SGC holder.
39:42
The pirate cards, I bought 2 pirate cards there.
39:44
They were an SGC holder. And I bought a, you know, turn
39:47
of the century Thomas Edison card that was in an SGC holder.
39:52
That's fine. But when I'm looking at baseball
39:55
cards, I prefer the PSA holder. And I don't like mixing.
40:02
I don't want to have my 'cause I.
40:06
I the way I store my cards is I put them in chronological order.
40:11
I don't put them with players, I put them by year.
40:14
And I don't want to have AT2O6 in a SGC holder and then APSA
40:21
holder card and then an SGC and then another SGC and then a
40:25
couple of PSA and then a CGC and then A, and people go, you just
40:29
need to get over it. Like I can't, I can't get over
40:34
it. I can't just ignore that.
40:36
And what it does is it's limiting.
40:38
It limits me when I go. And, and where I'm at right now
40:43
is specifically with big baseball and football cards
40:49
specifically, I would prefer I, I strongly prefer them in APSA
40:56
holder. I know it's by the card, not the
40:59
grade, by the card, not the holder.
41:03
But when I opened up my case of my museum, my museum, I want it
41:11
to look like a museum. And in a museum, things aren't
41:15
aren't cock eyed and things aren't, you know, not dusted and
41:20
things are straight. They're orderly.
41:22
It's all lined up. It looks good.
41:25
Like not just the cards look good, but the way that they sit
41:30
looks good and it, it feels like, it feels like a mess.
41:37
So I have two cases. They're like knock off Zion
41:41
cases because I don't, I, you know, it's like the Amazon Zion
41:44
case and one has my SGC cards and one has my PSA cards.
41:49
They, I have, I have one that is only for PSA and one that is
41:53
only for SGC. So someone will go though, I'll
41:57
be look showing that my cards and and they'll be like, well,
42:00
you know, I thought you had AI thought you had a, you know,
42:04
Walter Johnson. I go, I do.
42:05
That's in the other case, because that's an STC holder.
42:10
I don't like that. I don't want it to be that way.
42:15
It sucks, but I'm a lunatic and and that and you say about
42:21
yourself that you're a lunatic in ways.
42:23
I say it about, you know, I am in ways that's an area that I'm
42:27
weak and I wish that I could just not care.
42:31
I wish I could just get over it, you know, cuz someone will say
42:34
in the comments, you just need to learn to get over it and buy
42:36
the card that you like. Don't worry about what the case
42:39
is. I can't, I can't.
42:42
Like I, I, I like, I literally can't.
42:46
And that is limiting for me, and it sucks and I don't want it to
42:50
be that way, but that's how I am.
42:53
So do you think that there's a chance that PSA will to
43:00
streamline their process if they keep SGC alive to make it the
43:06
PSA case that just looks like the the the PSA case that looks
43:11
like SGC like that will fit one after the other.
43:14
Do you think that there's a chance that they will eventually
43:16
be able to be stackable? About a month after, not even 2
43:21
weeks after PSA bought us, GCI made some bold predictions in a
43:28
conversation with another YouTube on the channel.
43:32
And I don't remember if it is his channel or mine.
43:34
And it was with Mike Moynihan. I don't remember if it was on
43:40
his channel or my channel, but I said they have to do this.
43:46
They have to make it uniform. I mean, remember back in the day
43:51
when cell phones had 30 different charging things and
43:55
you'd go into Verizon or wherever and they would, they
43:59
would be like testing the phone and they're like, wait, which
44:01
one is it? And all that one's got, I mean,
44:03
literally there's like 30 and now there's like 2 and, and it's
44:08
like, that was insane. And now it's normal.
44:13
It's like, could you imagine if every house had different plugs
44:16
or different size light? I mean, it's, it's insanity.
44:19
It, it has to be streamlined. If, if you and, and I know what
44:24
that people would say is they would fight back.
44:26
And they say, well, one of the things people like about SGC is
44:28
they like the slab or one of the things they like about Beckett
44:31
is the slab. I understand that.
44:34
And I, I, I do understand that if you start, if you changed it
44:40
starting now, then it's different from the people who
44:45
wanted to stay with SGC. There's got to be some
44:50
something. And, and I think, you know, I
44:55
think that if they were to do something along the lines of old
45:00
slab, new slab, you have these two options or something.
45:02
Do you want the PSA nesting one or the SGC nesting 1?
45:07
But it really sucks. But, and by the way, I agree
45:13
with you and I stack, I stack them together by year and I do
45:16
have PSASGC and it bugs me too. So I totally get that craziness.
45:21
But do you think that you'd be OK with mixing them together
45:26
because they do look very different.
45:28
If they were stackable, do you think that you would then would
45:31
you still be in segregation or would you would you have
45:36
inclusion with both of them together?
45:39
It would be a compromise, it would be, it would not be
45:43
perfect, but it'd be better than what I have now.
45:47
So I could still keep them separate in the same looking
45:50
slab, but I think that I would put them all in the same case.
45:56
It's just in, it's insane to me that we are living in a world
46:02
where one company owns the biggest 3 and those 3 slabs and
46:10
the grading standards aren't uniformed with each other.
46:13
It, it's, it's, it's absolutely insane that there hasn't been
46:18
some form of uniformity. And I understand they think
46:21
that's probably a part of their differentiation.
46:24
You know, PSA would say we have the sleekest slabs, we have the
46:27
most durable slabs, and SGC would say we've got the tuck
46:30
slab where the card pops. And you know, Becky would say we
46:33
have the thickest slab, which is most protective slab.
46:36
They, they would use it that way, but I hate it and I'm not
46:42
expecting them to change it for me.
46:44
I'm finding a way to make do with the way that it is, but it
46:48
limits what I can buy because I'm a lunatic.
46:53
And by the way, I agree with you the most because I love 48 Leaf.
46:59
It is my passion more than anything that's set.
47:02
And one of the things I love to do is I love to buy kind of
47:05
different color variations. And it is super annoying to me
47:10
when I have like 2 of the same card but one of them has a
47:13
different color background than the other.
47:16
And one's an STC and one's PSA would look so much cooler if
47:19
they were the same ones. And almost all of them have one
47:23
versus the other. And it always bugs me too but
47:25
I'm not going to like re slab it and risk it it.
47:28
Feels like they could take the flip that exists and put it in
47:33
the other slab. Totally.
47:36
I mean, if I had an SGC flip in APSA slab so that the card sat
47:43
together nicely, what's the problem with that?
47:48
You've got the technology, you've got the slabbing machines
47:51
for each. The other issue that I'm having
47:54
right now with SGC is I can't re hold her a card unless I mail
47:59
it. And SGC said after the National
48:03
last year there you have no plans on attending a show in
48:06
person again and they haven't been at a show in person again.
48:10
And I just got 2 super rare high grade cards at the National of
48:14
these pirate cards. I don't want to mail them.
48:18
I my dad has a really nice 56 tops mantle in an old SGC holder
48:24
and he just wants it in a new slab.
48:26
He doesn't want to mail it. And I had a friend the other day
48:29
that said, dude, the loss rate stolen rate of of the US Postal
48:36
Service is like point OO 1% like get over it.
48:39
And I'm like, I just don't, I don't trust it.
48:44
I don't expense. And I want to be able to go to
48:47
the National and I want to have a collector's universe grading
48:53
company. I want to be able to hand them
48:55
the card, pay them their outrageous fee, and hand me the
48:59
card back the next day in a new slab like I want.
49:04
I feel like I should be able to do that.
49:07
And if they can't do it or are unwilling to do it, it's telling
49:11
me that Collector's Universe is unwilling to provide that
49:15
service for me from that brand. And that tells me what they
49:19
think of that brand. And it tells me that it's not
49:24
the brand that they want me to use.
49:27
And that bugs me when I then have $5000 to buy a card and I
49:34
have I say, well, collector's universe clearly doesn't want me
49:40
using this company anymore, but I'm going to spend $5000 on a
49:44
card that is in encased in that company's holder and with their
49:49
grade. When the the parent company who
49:52
has money falling out of their ears is unwilling to let me get
49:58
a card and and re slab it at a show like the National, they
50:04
don't even want me using them clearly.
50:09
It's a it's a great point that you're saying.
50:11
I feel the same way. I literally just sent in like 3
50:16
cards that I've loved that I've always wanted to have re slab
50:19
because of that same situation. But I only sent it because I
50:23
literally reached out to SGC and I asked them is there any chance
50:28
you're going to be at the National this year?
50:30
And they responded, no, they're not going to be, which is
50:33
absolutely crazy because even the grading company you've never
50:39
heard of is doing, is taking submissions at the national
50:44
literally, you know, MBA, I think is doing on site grading,
50:47
not stickering on site, on site grading at the National, right.
50:52
And so does CGC. Literally every company is doing
50:55
that. And for them to not be able to
50:57
allow you to drop off a card is crazy.
51:00
And for them to not have any kind of booth at Strongsville
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when the boutique is vintage is crazy too.
51:10
PSA get it together. And if you're keeping SGC
51:13
around, which we're all hoping you do, show us.
51:18
Show us that you care even this much.
51:20
They are showing you, David, they are showing you what they
51:24
think. By not showing up to any place
51:28
for me to even hand the cards over for them, to drive them
51:32
back and then mail them to me. By not even setting up a
51:36
receiving booth at the at the National or at Strongsville.
51:41
They are telling you, they're telling you exactly how much
51:46
they value that label. They are speaking loud and
51:50
clear, but a lot of us just don't want to hear it.
51:54
But they're telling you something.
51:56
They are absolutely telling us, all of us, something.
52:00
So that would mean the same thing as what we were talking
52:03
about. Like I think this is more like a
52:05
year ago that we thought that they could be going away.
52:08
And then they, you know, they're pretending that they're hiring
52:09
more people even though it's a complete joke.
52:11
They're grading the amount of time that it takes them.
52:14
So the way that you're saying this say it so you think that
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SGC will not be around much longer is that I mean that's
52:21
what you're that's what you're beating around the Bush saying,
52:24
right, If there's. Somebody that I'm dating and I
52:27
want to break up with them, but I don't want to be the one that
52:30
breaks up with them. What I'm going to do is just not
52:34
be that nice. I'm not going to call very
52:37
often. I'm going to take a long time to
52:39
return the call. I'm always going to be busy and
52:42
can't hang out until the person eventually goes.
52:46
This person sucks and then they move on and then I didn't have
52:49
to break up with them. Well, guess what?
52:52
We keep calling and they're not answering.
52:54
They're always busy on Friday and Saturday night and whenever
52:58
we hang out, they look like they just rolled out of bed and they
53:01
didn't get dolled up like they used to.
53:04
That's what they're doing. So I don't think that they're,
53:09
it's imminent that they're going to shut them down.
53:12
But what they're doing is they're trying to make them so
53:16
unattractive to us that we just go, I'm not dealing with this
53:21
anymore. It's a 50 business day turn
53:24
around. It's a 50 business day turn
53:28
around right now and they've got fewer submissions than they've
53:32
had in like 7 years, yet it's 50 day turn around.
53:38
Why is it slower than it's ever been?
53:41
When they are slower than they've ever been, it's because
53:46
they want us to go away. But PSA is also at a crazy turn
53:54
around right now too, right? They're at.
53:58
Man, I wish I didn't throw my phone.
54:00
You told me that it was ringing, so I threw it on the other side.
54:02
I need to show you what I have, a submission with PSA.
54:05
But I understand what you're saying.
54:07
They are making them very unattractive.
54:09
But are you? I just want you to say it, but
54:11
you're beating around the Bush saying it because they're trying
54:14
to make it where we're going to be.
54:15
OK. If they go away, will they go
54:18
away eventually? What is I want?
54:20
Eventually, eventually, eventually I, I'm being, I'm
54:24
being honest and we've got to wrap this up because we don't
54:27
want to go over an hour, but hear me out.
54:30
I, I don't think they are going to pull the RIP cord completely
54:38
in the near future. I think that they want to say we
54:44
had to pull the RIP cord because you all stop submitting.
54:50
And in order to get us to turn our backs on them, they have to
54:57
do what they're doing to us right now for a while.
55:00
They're not returning our calls. They look like crap when we go
55:04
out on dates and they're always busy for the next little while.
55:09
It's going to take a while from being in love with someone to
55:13
hating them. It's going to take a while.
55:17
And we're in the middle of that process.
55:19
We're in the middle of the breakup period and eventually
55:24
they're going to say we had to pull the ripcord.
55:27
It was, it was losing money, it was hemorrhaging money, so we
55:32
didn't want to do it. We really valued it, but things
55:36
just got to where we had to. And it's going to be a, it's
55:40
going to be, remember Last National?
55:42
They were still accepting submissions and had a pretty big
55:45
booth. They were just not very busy.
55:48
It's going to be a little bit longer.
55:52
Will they? Eventually?
55:53
I think eventually. But in the meantime, they're
55:56
trying to get us to break up with them.
56:00
Your final thoughts on our first episode of Midlife Card Chase?
56:06
Give them. I had a good time.
56:07
I think this is going to be fun. I just, I'll be very
56:12
disappointed if any of Junk Wax Mike's podcast get more views
56:17
than ours and it's going to very, it's going to hurt me
56:20
deeply if that happens. So please, OK, watch us multiple
56:24
times just whenever you're bored, when you're watching TV,
56:26
just press play on your phone over and over again to make us
56:29
feel better about ourselves. And Mike, just know that this
56:37
isn't over. This is the beginning of of a
56:40
war between this and the little podcast that you're doing that
56:44
we're not allowed to announce the names of, even though Greg
56:47
knows the names but isn't going to say it.
56:51
All right, this was fun. If you made it through our first
56:53
25 minutes of being silly and got to the card stuff.
56:58
I promise there will be more card stuff in the future, but
57:02
we're also still going to be silly because we like having fun
57:04
and we like joking around with each other too.
57:06
So we'll be both. This was.
57:09
Great. Are you going to sing us out?
57:11
You got it buddy. So you're done with that.
57:14
All right. By the way, so my mind has
57:17
family work cards and then songs from when I was a kid.
57:24
And these songs are playing in my mind 24 hours a day.
57:27
So I'm. I'm a psychopath.
57:31
So these are the kind of things that happened to me.
57:33
So I'm going to give you one of the songs that are in my mind,
57:35
24 hours away a day to be able to sign us out.
57:38
We ready? Yeah.
57:40
Go. You know, parents aren't the
57:42
same. No matter time, no place, they
57:44
don't understand. Us kids are going to make some
57:46
mistake. So do you.
57:47
All the kids all across the land.
57:49
Take it from me, parents just don't understand.