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Remdesivir Stories- Surviving Forward Healing · Wellness Uncensored

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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome back everybody to another episode of Wellness Uncensored.
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Speaker 2: My name's Patty g I'm a psychiatric nurse practitioner, and
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Speaker 2: if you've never tuned in before, I'll give you just
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Speaker 2: a quick little background about our show. We started this
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Speaker 2: now three seasons ago, just kind of spinning off the
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Speaker 2: heels of the pandemic and wanted to bring you something
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Speaker 2: that was going to be I guess lively uncensored and
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Speaker 2: a place that you could tune into to learn about
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Speaker 2: different things to help you to not only survive, but thrive,
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Speaker 2: and to help anyone who's really struggling suffering with how
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Speaker 2: to be your best self. My focus always has a
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Speaker 2: tinge of psychiatry type like care, but I also focus
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Speaker 2: on nutrition, foundational things for body and movement. And we've
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Speaker 2: got all kinds of folks that tune into our show.
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Speaker 2: Want to welcome back our guest from just a couple
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Speaker 2: of weeks ago. We've got Craig Andrews joining us today,
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Speaker 2: and he is one of the survivors from the pandemic
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Speaker 2: who was really just not only deathly ill, but was
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Speaker 2: really near death in the ICU was in a coma
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Speaker 2: for three months, and he started to share his story
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Speaker 2: and we had so much to share and it was
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Speaker 2: just fascinating. We had lots of questions, so we wanted
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Speaker 2: to have him back again. And Craig has obviously survived.
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Speaker 2: The worst part of it was he was given that
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Speaker 2: deadly drug that we knew failed in Ebola. It failed
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Speaker 2: in taking care of patients with AIDS fifty percent death rate,
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Speaker 2: and yet they sprung it on the world, primarily in
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Speaker 2: the United States, to save us or kill us. So
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Speaker 2: I'm a survivor from Death of Ear. Craig is the
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Speaker 2: survivor of Room Death of Ear, and we want to
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Speaker 2: spread the word and let you know about ways to
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Speaker 2: learn more about what really went on, because in these
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Speaker 2: trying times, we really need to get real information. And
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Speaker 2: just as I've shared before with my dedication to Charlie
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Speaker 2: Clerk Charlie Kirk, sorry I've got his shirt now, we
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Speaker 2: just have to speak the truth and I think it's
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Speaker 2: important that we get the word out because nobody's going
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Speaker 2: to hear the stories of what Craig and I have
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Speaker 2: shared unless we start telling people. So I want to
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Speaker 2: welcome Craig, and let's kind of get back into some things. Welcome,
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Speaker 2: So glad you could join us again, kind.
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Speaker 3: Of, it's so good to be back. Thanks for having me.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really glad. You know, it's funny how we've
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Speaker 2: met people across the nation, across the world, and while
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Speaker 2: there's lots to be said about social media and doom scrolling,
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Speaker 2: it's also been a great vehicle to connect with people
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Speaker 2: that we probably would have never otherwise met. And what
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Speaker 2: a network we've developed. And you know, Craig, you are
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Speaker 2: just such an amazing survivor from what you've been through
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Speaker 2: last you know, last week what y're or two weeks
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Speaker 2: ago what you shared. I'd really love to continue on
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Speaker 2: maybe just share folks a little bit about kind of
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Speaker 2: what we covered, and then let's jump into some stuff
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Speaker 2: that we want to get additional information about your story
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Speaker 2: and just about kind of going forward, So kind of
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Speaker 2: bring us back to where we left off last week
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Speaker 2: and a little bit about you.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so my journey. My journey in the hospital started
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Speaker 3: August tenth, twenty twenty one. I walked in could barely breathe,
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Speaker 3: and they took me in and I it was another
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Speaker 3: three months before I left the hospital. I spent six
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Speaker 3: weeks of those three months in a coma. And you know,
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Speaker 3: as as soon as they put me on the van
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Speaker 3: I was in for eleven days. And then they put
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Speaker 3: me on the ventilator, and my brother and his wife
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Speaker 3: immediately drive from Maryland to Texas to sit with my wife.
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Speaker 3: My wife's two sons came won the first week, one
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Speaker 3: the second week, and as they were as the second week,
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Speaker 3: when the eventilator was coming to an end, it was
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Speaker 3: Labor day, and my wife said to my family and
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Speaker 3: her son, she said, why don't you guys go home,
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Speaker 3: get some rest, and come back for Craig's funeral. And
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Speaker 3: then she thought, you know, it's time for me to
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Speaker 3: figure out how to live as a widow. And because
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Speaker 3: that's what they expected, because everybody before me had died,
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Speaker 3: and almost everybody after me died. I'm not sure the
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Speaker 3: exact numbers, but rare survivor that went on the ventilator.
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Speaker 3: And you mentioned remdesevir. They prescribed that to me, and
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Speaker 3: within ten days of my final dose, I was in
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Speaker 3: kidney failure and on dialysis, and said, that's why they
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Speaker 3: thought I was going to a lot of reasons. They
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Speaker 3: thought I was gonna die, but my my organs were
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Speaker 3: shutting down. But I didn't obviously. I woke up late
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Speaker 3: September of twenty one and started getting strong enough to
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Speaker 3: go to rehab, went to the rehab hospital and was
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Speaker 3: discharged from that on November sixth, twenty twenty one, and
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Speaker 3: then came home and started, you know, continued the journey
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Speaker 3: of recovery. It's it's been a long one and in
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Speaker 3: some ways it's still going on.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And what was it to really get back to normalcy,
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Speaker 2: you know, you started the recovery I to I guess
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Speaker 2: talk through a little bit about that and what did
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Speaker 2: life look like for you from that lens at that time.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, So when I left, my main goal prior to
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Speaker 3: leaving the rehab hospital was I wanted to make sure
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Speaker 3: I could walk before I left the hospital. And I
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Speaker 3: never appreciated how bad a coma was. You know, even
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Speaker 3: just weeks in a coma, my body had completely atrophied.
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Speaker 3: I woke up, I couldn't lift my arms or legs,
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Speaker 3: certainly couldn't walk, And so when I came home, I
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Speaker 3: could walk very short distances with a walker, and when
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Speaker 3: i'd sit down, I would hyperventilate for a few minutes.
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Speaker 3: That even on six leaders of oxygen I was, which
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Speaker 3: for those that don't know, six leaders is a lot
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Speaker 3: of oxygen.
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Speaker 4: It sure is.
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Speaker 2: I was on six leaders when I got home, too,
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Speaker 2: and I know how bad I felt, so that is
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Speaker 2: a ton not yeah, And.
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Speaker 3: Even on six leaders of oxygen, when I would sit down,
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Speaker 3: I'd hyperventilate for a couple of minutes. And so the
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Speaker 3: next phase was home health, and so which never moves quickly,
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Speaker 3: you know. I gained that momentum or you know, gained
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Speaker 3: some ground in the rehab hospital, and then it was
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Speaker 3: a week or so or a week or two before
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Speaker 3: I could get home health out just for an assessment.
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Speaker 3: It takes a doctor of PT to prescribe PT. And
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Speaker 3: once he came out, then I had my PTA PT
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Speaker 3: assistant come out and we started the work. But I
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Speaker 3: could never get ot occupational therapist out of the house.
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Speaker 3: Can get a home health went out to my part
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Speaker 3: of town, amazing. You know. The thing that surprised me
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Speaker 3: so there was a Stephen Sagall movie I forgot the
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Speaker 3: Hard to Kill. That was the name of it, Hard
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Speaker 3: to Kill Stephen Sagall like a five year coma. He
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Speaker 3: wakes up from that five year coma, realizes he's an
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Speaker 3: immediate danger, and he's getting himself out of danger. And
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Speaker 3: within a few weeks he's kicking button, taking names. And
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Speaker 3: the thing that was such a surprise for me was
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Speaker 3: how quickly my body just completely deteriorated. And I'm not sure.
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Speaker 3: I mean I woke up six weeks later, but I
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Speaker 3: know according to my medical chart, Well, they quit strapping
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Speaker 3: me down, you know, by three or four weeks when
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Speaker 3: the ventilator. And you probably know better than I do
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Speaker 3: why they strap you down when you're on the ventilator.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll tell you what they tell patients, but what
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Speaker 2: I found in clinical practice, it certainly makes it a
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Speaker 2: lot easier for them. Especially during COVID, they didn't have
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Speaker 2: to round as often and they want to make sure
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Speaker 2: you don't pull the tube out so not to hurt yourself.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, So by I think three weeks or so, they
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Speaker 3: had to remove my restraints because there was no way
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Speaker 3: I could pull the tube out if I wanted to.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so debilitated.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, So you know I mentioned I couldn't
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Speaker 3: get an occupational therapist out to the house, and so
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Speaker 3: I didn't realize this. I learned so much during that journey,
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Speaker 3: but the way it was generalized to me was pet's
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Speaker 3: waist down. OT is from the waist to the neck.
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Speaker 3: Speech therapy is everything from the neck up, including emotions
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Speaker 3: and cognition, and that's something an addition speech and swallowing.
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Speaker 3: And so I couldn't get an OT out to the house,
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Speaker 3: and I was like, I need to rebuild. I mean,
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Speaker 3: because I'd lost too much. It was hard work. I'll
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Speaker 3: never forget this. So in December. So I got home
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Speaker 3: on November sixth, the beginning of December. I tell my wife,
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Speaker 3: I said, my goal for December is to drive by
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Speaker 3: the end of December.
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Speaker 2: Oh that's a good goal.
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Speaker 3: Her immediate response was, oh, no, you're not. You know,
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Speaker 3: I realized I had a mother again. She had work
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Speaker 3: in the keeping me alive, and she was super protective.
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Speaker 2: But you know what she mentioned about having trouble getting
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Speaker 2: pt out of the house. You know, during that time,
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Speaker 2: everything was so difficult to get care and treatment. What
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Speaker 2: was the barrier for you to get the OT outo
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Speaker 2: the house? Was it not enough resources? Clearing it through insurance?
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Speaker 2: Is we always say time is muscle, and you know, well,
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Speaker 2: beyond a cardiac piece of time is muscle, the body atrophies.
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Speaker 2: And so why couldn't OT get out? Because OT is
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Speaker 2: also a little more of dexterity and function for like eating,
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Speaker 2: daily living activities versus physical body movements. So it's all
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Speaker 2: those important things to care for yourself. OT was critical.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know you mentioned eating, and I'll answer
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Speaker 3: why I couldn't get them out to the house. Something
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Speaker 3: they never taught me in the hospital. When they transferred
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Speaker 3: me to the rehab hospital, they come by and they
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Speaker 3: drop a tray of food in my room and they
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Speaker 3: walk out. I'm like stop, I said, I can't feed myself.
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Speaker 3: And that day the tech actually fed me. But that
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Speaker 3: was like the only day, but nobody came by and said, Craig,
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Speaker 3: here's what you need to do to eat. I had
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Speaker 3: to figure it out on my own, and they had
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Speaker 3: me on some drug that had my hands super shaky.
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Speaker 3: So I would take you the full food and I'd
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Speaker 3: like myself with food like those of Jackson Pollock.
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Speaker 5: Painting, and I had to find a way to kind
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Speaker 5: of eat on my own where my food didn't end
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Speaker 5: up sprayed all over me and elsewhere actually landed in
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Speaker 5: my mouth.
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Speaker 3: So that was the first challenge. And that's one of
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Speaker 3: those places that probably OT or somebody could have stepped
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Speaker 3: up a little bit more to say, Craig, we're going
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Speaker 3: to come up with a strategy to help you figure
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Speaker 3: out how to eat, but.
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Speaker 2: Not dinner. But that's what was going on everywhere. They
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Speaker 2: would drop the tray and run, and then they would
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Speaker 2: come back and document, of course, charting by exception. Patient
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Speaker 2: didn't tolerate food, patient had no appetite, patient left food
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Speaker 2: tray alone, and yet you were too weak. These are
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Speaker 2: the things that was never told of families. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 2: you're struggling alone.
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Speaker 3: So what I was told when I tried to get
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Speaker 3: OT to the house was of the available ots, they
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Speaker 3: weren't willing to make the drive out to where I live.
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Speaker 3: I'm thirteen miles from city Hall, but for most Austin nights,
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Speaker 3: I might as well be in the next state, and
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Speaker 3: so nobody would come out this way. And so I
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Speaker 3: was just getting PT, and there was one day I
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Speaker 3: had to ask my PT. So when I first got home,
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Speaker 3: I was still using the porta potty one because and
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Speaker 3: this is going to sound weird, but I was scared
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Speaker 3: to go in the bathroom because for me to go
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Speaker 3: into the bathroom, my oxygen line went and reached there
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Speaker 3: and I would have to go on oxygen tank, which
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Speaker 3: was pulsed oxygen and six leaders cost was not like
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Speaker 3: six leaders continuous. Yeah, And so I had my PT
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Speaker 3: one day he came by and I said, look, I'm
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Speaker 3: not going to ask you to be there when I
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Speaker 3: do the deed, but could we at least choreograph how
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Speaker 3: I'm going to use the toilet? Yeah, and he said sure,
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Speaker 3: And so he kind of walked me through the steps
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Speaker 3: to help me overcome some of the fear. I've never
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Speaker 3: been a fearful person, but the moments, you know, those
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Speaker 3: moments when when you're gasping for air and you're out
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Speaker 3: totally out of control or.
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Speaker 2: Terrifying, it's extremely scary. Yeah, and you know to that point,
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Speaker 2: that's that's some of the stuff people must be wondering, like,
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Speaker 2: how was it that we couldn't get treatment? How is
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Speaker 2: that we couldn't get care. I know Bradley was asking
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Speaker 2: about you know, it seems like they're skirting their job.
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Speaker 2: You know, if they could get away with it, you know,
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Speaker 2: they would do it. And I think that's the thing
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Speaker 2: that Craig and I have both seen and so many
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Speaker 2: people experienced, when you don't have families coming in to
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Speaker 2: be able to watch and oversee the care or participate
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Speaker 2: in the care. Because we all understand staff's busy, but
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Speaker 2: family has always been a resource. I didn't have help,
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Speaker 2: Craig didn't have help, and now Craig's home and this atrophy.
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Speaker 2: You know when you talk about all the time that
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Speaker 2: you were in the hospital and just your body was
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Speaker 2: just laying their idle, there was no act of physical therapy,
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Speaker 2: and physical therapy it's supposed to be therapy where we
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Speaker 2: get people out of bed. And not only did I
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Speaker 2: witness it, but I had to fight to try to
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Speaker 2: get it in the hospital, and you experienced it. Nobody
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Speaker 2: really Yeah, they may have flipped you prone and supine
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Speaker 2: while you were invented, but no one did passive range
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Speaker 2: of motion. No one did what we defined. There's a
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Speaker 2: program in hospitals called early mobility. We could have kept
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Speaker 2: some of your muscles in a little bit better shape,
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Speaker 2: so you wouldn't have completely debilitated this way, And they
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Speaker 2: didn't do their job in the hospital, and now here
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Speaker 2: you are tell us more about what happened as you're
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Speaker 2: trying to recover at home with literally probably no muscle
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Speaker 2: tone and strength.
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Speaker 3: No. I remember one time I was trying to close
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Speaker 3: the shades on the window behind the recliner that was
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Speaker 3: sitting at once I got home, I didn't have enough
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Speaker 3: strength to close the shades, but you said something, let
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Speaker 3: me take it back into the hospital. And from our
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Speaker 3: last recording, I mentioned I had a series of dreams
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Speaker 3: in my color and that the closer to being awake,
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Speaker 3: the more the dreams were representative of reality. One of
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Speaker 3: my dreams was somebody in blue scrubs standing over me
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Speaker 3: saying I'm not going to touch that nasty thing on
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Speaker 3: your chest. You're going to have to do it. And
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Speaker 3: they left and she said something about In the same dream,
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Speaker 3: she said something about, it looks like you need suction.
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Speaker 3: Now I had no idea what suction was and why
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Speaker 3: I needed it, but that dream seems like that's reality
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Speaker 3: because I'm taking in a procedure that they would do.
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Speaker 3: You'd while you're intubated and there's somebody in there talking
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Speaker 3: about something on my chest and how they're not going
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Speaker 3: to touch it. And I know for a fact that
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Speaker 3: when I went to the l tach, my wife had
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Speaker 3: to do a lot of work on my track because
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Speaker 3: my skin was deteriorating around it, and you know, they
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Speaker 3: have me own blood thinners, which you know, that was
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Speaker 3: a delicate balance. So when you were talking about people
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Speaker 3: doing the bare minimum, one of my dreams was of
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Speaker 3: somebody in scrubs refusing to give me suction, which apparently
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Speaker 3: was something I needed to kind of clear out my
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Speaker 3: lungs and clear my track.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's incredible. All the care that wasn't done, and
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Speaker 2: it wasn't seen, so no one can say it was
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Speaker 2: or it wasn't, but it was documented. It's all documented,
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Speaker 2: you know, qu turn or cute, every cute, every two hours, turn,
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Speaker 2: those kinds of things. Patient refused food, patient and tolerty food.
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Speaker 2: All these kinds of things we even had, you know,
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Speaker 2: like you said, with the track and with the breathing tube,
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Speaker 2: patients got such poor care they did. They ended up
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Speaker 2: with pressure ulcers, pressure stores all around the areas where
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Speaker 2: either the track or the tube was into the over
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Speaker 2: the mouth kind of on either side because they didn't
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Speaker 2: turn the tube enough to give that side of the
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Speaker 2: skin of break. Just incredible, just incredible.
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Speaker 3: Well, and for those that are listening but not seeing,
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Speaker 3: I mean I have a big scar across my upper
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Speaker 3: lip that's from that's from the yep. And I have
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Speaker 3: a depression right here that's from it. I actually had
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Speaker 3: to have my mouth reconstructed by a year after I
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Speaker 3: after I was in the hospital because I know the
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Speaker 3: first time I noticed it was when I was in
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Speaker 3: the LTAC and they first started giving me broth. That
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Speaker 3: was my first food. And when when they pull the
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Speaker 3: spoon now in my mouth, it would really hurt on
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Speaker 3: this side of the mouth, and I was slurring my words,
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Speaker 3: and you know, this side of my mouth was drooping.
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Speaker 3: So I had to have that done. But it was
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Speaker 3: it was because they got sloppy and they didn't think
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Speaker 3: I was going to live. Who cares if they googled
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Speaker 3: up my face. I was going to die. That was
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Speaker 3: the belief. But back to your question about so Hm health, Yes,
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Speaker 3: I had that talking with my wife in December. Hey,
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Speaker 3: I'm going to drive by the end of the month,
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Speaker 3: and she's like, oh, no, you're not. She'd become very,
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Speaker 3: very much her mama instincts kicked in high gear. She
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Speaker 3: became super protective and I drive three days later. But
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Speaker 3: New Year's morning. New Year's Morning rolls around and we're
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Speaker 3: having breakfast around the breakfast table. I'm in my wheelchair
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Speaker 3: at this point. If I was sitting, I was off oxygen.
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Speaker 3: If I was standing, I was on oxygen. So my
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Speaker 3: oxygen tank is nearby. I'm in the wheelchair at the
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Speaker 3: breakfast table New Year's Morning, and I look at my
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Speaker 3: wife and I say, I have an idea that I
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Speaker 3: want to share with you. She's like, okay, so you're
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Speaker 3: not going to like this idea. It's like, okay, this
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Speaker 3: is actually you're really going to hate this idea. Okay,
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Speaker 3: you're going to think this is the worst idea I've
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Speaker 3: ever had. And what I'm doing is I'm doing a
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Speaker 3: technique called anchoring. You know you can do price anchoring.
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Speaker 3: I was doing emotional anchoring.
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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.
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Speaker 3: And she's like, what is it? And I said, two
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Speaker 3: weeks from today, I'm going to Camp Gladiator, and she pursed.
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Speaker 3: Her lips shook her head and that was the end
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Speaker 3: of the conversation, which I considered success. And so Camp
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Speaker 3: Gladiator is a high intensity outdoor workout and believe it
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Speaker 3: or not, even in Texas it gets cold, Inquerry. And
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Speaker 3: sure enough, two weeks later, I went to Camp Gladiator
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Speaker 3: in my wheelchair. But the thought was what spawned that
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Speaker 3: was I wasn't getting any ot, I wasn't working on.
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Speaker 2: My upper body.
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Speaker 3: I need to rebuild muscles, and so I and she
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Speaker 3: actually had a conflict that day, so she couldn't come
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Speaker 3: with me. And so I went to Camp Gladiator by
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Speaker 3: myself with my wheelchair with two tanks of oxygen, and
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Speaker 3: I worked out wow, and I felt so good. Afterwards,
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Speaker 3: I by McDonald's got a sausage biscuit, which for me indulgence.
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Speaker 3: I came home and I played We Are the Champions
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Speaker 3: over and over again.
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Speaker 2: Oh I love it.
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Speaker 3: I love it. Yeah like a teenager. Yeah yeah. But
20:17
Speaker 3: I started going. You know, so they were having free workouts.
20:20
Speaker 3: I'd write about line, they were having free workouts on Saturdays,
20:25
Speaker 3: and so I'd go out there every Saturday wheelchair, oxygen
20:28
Speaker 3: tanks and I'd do it, and the and just started slowly, uh,
20:36
Speaker 3: building it back by bit and it was really neat.
20:41
Speaker 3: There was one Saturday I showed up because there were
20:43
Speaker 3: different trainers, and there was one Saturday I showed up
20:47
Speaker 3: and it was a trainer I'd never seen before. And
20:49
Speaker 3: she looks at me. She sees me on oxygen. I
20:52
Speaker 3: get her fear. Yeah, She's like, we could get sued
20:56
Speaker 3: if we kill this guy. And she's looking at me
20:59
Speaker 3: on oxygen with my wheelchair and she's like, what's this.
21:03
Speaker 3: And all the other campers as they call them, the
21:05
Speaker 3: other people working out. I didn't have to say a word.
21:09
Speaker 3: They jumped, They jumped up and they said he belongs here.
21:12
Speaker 2: I love it. Yeah. And they took care of.
21:16
Speaker 3: H yeah, yeah, and yeah. And the tough thing is,
21:21
Speaker 3: you know, it took a little adjustment, you know, because
21:25
Speaker 3: my wife, you know, of course, she had just gone
21:27
Speaker 3: through this ordeal where every time she saw me I
21:30
Speaker 3: was in the hospital drooling on myself and she's hoping
21:34
Speaker 3: to get back to a normal life and she's thinking, Okay, Saturday,
21:37
Speaker 3: we're going to do something. Maybe we'll put him in
21:39
Speaker 3: the wheelchair, push him around the mall.
21:41
Speaker 2: No, you were doors.
21:44
Speaker 3: I come home from Camp Gladiator. I'm done, like for
21:47
Speaker 3: the rest of the day. I'm like starting at the
21:50
Speaker 3: wall and drooling on myself because it just took every
21:53
Speaker 3: bit of energy I had for the day.
21:55
Speaker 2: Yea, had she gone with you to see what you did?
21:58
Speaker 2: At some point?
21:59
Speaker 3: She's yeah, she went a couple of times. She went
22:01
Speaker 3: a couple of times, and you know, I have some
22:03
Speaker 3: photos from that. It shows me, you know, trying to
22:07
Speaker 3: do these little like jumps and squats and you can
22:10
Speaker 3: see how my balance is messed up. I mean I
22:13
Speaker 3: was just I was a mess.
22:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's incredible. How long did it take the training?
22:18
Speaker 2: How long were you doing the training for?
22:21
Speaker 3: Well? So I still do Camp Gladiator. I haven't gone,
22:25
Speaker 3: I've been. I've had a cold this week, so I've
22:27
Speaker 3: skipped this week. But I still go. And it's been
22:32
Speaker 3: really cool because there's some people that I still work
22:36
Speaker 3: out with that were there in those early days and
22:38
Speaker 3: they've been a part of the journey. And like the
22:43
Speaker 3: ones who said he belongs here, leave him alone, I mean,
22:46
Speaker 3: just that breaks me up.
22:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's incredible. Now again, I don't know how fast
22:52
Speaker 2: forward do you want to go, But what's your new
22:54
Speaker 2: approach to doctors? I know you wanted to kind of
22:56
Speaker 2: get to some of those points because you've learned a lot,
23:00
Speaker 2: and now look at where you are. What is your
23:03
Speaker 2: approach now, you.
23:04
Speaker 3: Know, I approached him with a high level of skepticism,
23:10
Speaker 3: you know. And I think we covered a little bit
23:12
Speaker 3: of this in the last our last interview. I my doctor,
23:18
Speaker 3: former doctor, had me on a path to permanent kidney damage.
23:23
Speaker 3: And it turns out these gladiators when when I started,
23:25
Speaker 3: when I got to the point where I was doing
23:26
Speaker 3: a full workout multiple times a week, I'd work out,
23:31
Speaker 3: I mean I'd be so hypoxic that I'd just be dizzy.
23:34
Speaker 3: And it was it was starving my kidneys for oxygen,
23:37
Speaker 3: which was driving my creating in high which don't know
23:40
Speaker 3: the lingo. Let's just say that's bad. And and my
23:45
Speaker 3: doctor said, keep working out, don't worry about it. Well,
23:48
Speaker 3: it turns out I should have worried about it, and
23:49
Speaker 3: I did, thankfully. I took care of myself instead of
23:53
Speaker 3: trusting the doctor. I also changed doctors and found new doctor.
23:57
Speaker 3: And when I when I first met with him, I said, Doc,
24:01
Speaker 3: I said, please don't treat me like the rest of
24:03
Speaker 3: your patients. My body is not normal. I'm not normal.
24:07
Speaker 3: I survived something that killed almost everybody else, which makes
24:11
Speaker 3: me a little different. But two, because of what I
24:14
Speaker 3: went through, my body is not normal. Please don't make
24:18
Speaker 3: the normal assumptions. And you can tell when you watch
24:21
Speaker 3: their response. You can tell if you're dealing with somebody
24:23
Speaker 3: who's going to take you seriously or somebody privately thinking
24:28
Speaker 3: all shut up, I'm the doctor here, not you. Yeah,
24:33
Speaker 3: and thankfully he's taken me seriously. He was the one
24:37
Speaker 3: who said, Craig, I asked him about the camp claudiator.
24:39
Speaker 3: He's like, of course it's a problem. Here's why. They
24:42
Speaker 3: gave a very simple explanation that anybody could understand. He said, Look,
24:47
Speaker 3: your heart, your lungs, and your kidneys are like the
24:49
Speaker 3: Holy Trinity. With one it screws up the other ones.
24:54
Speaker 3: So your lungs are not getting enough oxygen, your kidneys
24:58
Speaker 3: are not getting enough oxygen. He said, to cut your
25:00
Speaker 3: workout down to thirty minutes and just be happy with that.
25:03
Speaker 3: And so we did that, and guess what, my cretin
25:06
Speaker 3: came back down. And again, for those not familiar with
25:09
Speaker 3: the lingo, that's good creating and down, good creating en
25:12
Speaker 3: up and the but that's been the thing is one
25:19
Speaker 3: I only work with doctors that understand when I say, hey,
25:23
Speaker 3: my body's not different, don't treat me like treat the
25:26
Speaker 3: rest of your patients. I look for that. The other
25:30
Speaker 3: thing is I do not blindly trust what they say.
25:35
Speaker 3: And I had I had another doctor, you know, so
25:39
Speaker 3: one of the side effects of being catheterized for so
25:42
Speaker 3: long was, you know, I would get I developed calcifications
25:46
Speaker 3: and inflammations in my bladder and I showed up in
25:49
Speaker 3: a sonogram, and so I had to go have those
25:53
Speaker 3: dealt with it. And so I dealt with the urologist,
25:55
Speaker 3: a surgeon supposedly some of my very talented and I'm
26:00
Speaker 3: with her four times. The initial visit, the second visit
26:05
Speaker 3: where she scoped me, third visit was in the hospital
26:08
Speaker 3: where she did the surgery, and the fourth visit was
26:11
Speaker 3: the follow up. In three of those four visits she
26:14
Speaker 3: gave me bona fide, verifiable medical misinformation, just completely wrong.
26:21
Speaker 3: And when she was asking when she scoped me and
26:23
Speaker 3: she showed me the calification and the inflammation, She's like,
26:28
Speaker 3: she was trying to find out what caused it. And
26:29
Speaker 3: I said, any chance it was from the catheter. She's like,
26:32
Speaker 3: oh no, no, probably no. I don't think so. Well.
26:36
Speaker 3: It took my wife five minutes with Google.
26:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, to get the answer right. Yeh, that's incredible.
26:43
Speaker 3: You know.
26:43
Speaker 2: I think that's what people really need to hear from
26:47
Speaker 2: all of us, is that people really have to ask
26:51
Speaker 2: questions and if it doesn't sound right or makes sense.
26:55
Speaker 2: I think you're even going to share a little bit
26:56
Speaker 2: just about your new approach to medications. You know, what's
26:59
Speaker 2: your approach to prescriptions. We've got to ask questions, and
27:03
Speaker 2: it's not always the doctor's right. It's not always well,
27:06
Speaker 2: this is how we've always done it, and if it
27:08
Speaker 2: doesn't work or feel right for you, you've got to
27:10
Speaker 2: step in or have someone close to you step in
27:13
Speaker 2: and ask questions and maybe change providers.
27:17
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, well, and that was one of the
27:21
Speaker 3: things that you know, because of what happened with rem Desverer,
27:27
Speaker 3: which actually is not a new drug, as you pointed out,
27:30
Speaker 3: it's been around since two thousand and nine. But because
27:33
Speaker 3: of that, I realized that I was like, I do
27:39
Speaker 3: not trust them. There's too much corruption in medicine. And
27:43
Speaker 3: when I look at the way that they rushed out
27:45
Speaker 3: the vaccine and they bullied people into getting the vaccine
27:49
Speaker 3: in my mind very certainly on ethically, I would say illegally.
27:53
Speaker 2: Criminally, criminally, you're right about that.
27:57
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, rule one, and I've told my
28:01
Speaker 3: doctors this. I will not take any drug that hasn't
28:05
Speaker 3: been on the market for at least five years. I
28:07
Speaker 3: want to say at least five years of history before
28:10
Speaker 3: I'll take that drug. Second, if the drug has a
28:12
Speaker 3: TV commercial, I will not take it, regardless of how
28:15
Speaker 3: long it's been on the market. And the why is that.
28:19
Speaker 2: I think that's a good approach too, though, But why
28:22
Speaker 2: why do you say that. You think it's because they're
28:24
Speaker 2: just pushing it.
28:25
Speaker 3: Well, let me talk about a drug, and I'm not
28:27
Speaker 3: going to say any names because I'm want anybody to
28:30
Speaker 3: get sued, But there's a there's a drug that has
28:33
Speaker 3: a cute little song that uh something like that, oh something.
28:42
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay.
28:44
Speaker 3: Yeah, And and so that's one of the GLP ones
28:51
Speaker 3: that doctors are prescribing. And the thing I've realized that
28:55
Speaker 3: doctors don't know the side effects of the drug, and
28:59
Speaker 3: it's horrible. Fine, So I have a family member that's
29:02
Speaker 3: postmenopausal and I just took a wild guess that she
29:06
Speaker 3: was on a Z empic went just looking at a
29:08
Speaker 3: few factors, hiding behind the plausibility of plausible ignorance that
29:15
Speaker 3: I didn't know what she was on. I just started
29:17
Speaker 3: rallying against this particular drug. I said, doctors are prescribing
29:20
Speaker 3: this drug and they're not telling the people they're prescribing
29:23
Speaker 3: it to that one third of their weight loss is
29:26
Speaker 3: muscle mass, lean matter, and bone density, and that when
29:31
Speaker 3: you go off the drug, you gain all that back,
29:32
Speaker 3: but you don't have the muscle mass or the bone
29:34
Speaker 3: density to support the weight. And sure enough, this family
29:38
Speaker 3: member said, oh, I'm on that drug. I said, did
29:41
Speaker 3: your doctor tell you about those side effects? And she
29:44
Speaker 3: said no. I mean, and they're postmenopausal taking a drug
29:48
Speaker 3: that broughts your bones, and nobody ever told her. That's horrifying.
29:54
Speaker 2: There's so many side effects to many men, and they
29:57
Speaker 2: don't help you.
29:59
Speaker 3: And so let me just throw out some tough love here.
30:01
Speaker 3: And I don't mean anybody any harm. If you're over Wait,
30:06
Speaker 3: the solution is not a drug. Change your lifestyle. Exercise
30:10
Speaker 3: more and eat less. And this family members a type
30:14
Speaker 3: two diabetic, and instead of doing the things that could
30:18
Speaker 3: reverse that, she's trying to keep the same lifestyle and
30:23
Speaker 3: started taking the drug and from Mike can tell them
30:26
Speaker 3: didn't really lose any weight, which is wild, but the
30:31
Speaker 3: you know the and it actually feeds back to the
30:34
Speaker 3: approach with doctors that you were asking about. You have
30:39
Speaker 3: a right to ask questions and they have certainly a
30:43
Speaker 3: moral responsibility, I believe a legal responsibility to answer your questions.
30:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, moral, ethical and legal. Yeah yeah. And if they
30:51
Speaker 2: don't know, they need to provide the information and get
30:55
Speaker 2: it to people. Like the vaccines, their package inserts were blank. Yeah,
31:00
Speaker 2: but all these meds, even during the commercials, they talk
31:04
Speaker 2: to you and show you nice pictures and then they
31:06
Speaker 2: rattle off if you have chest tightness, urinary issues, blah
31:12
Speaker 2: blah blahlah, and they rattle off all the side effects.
31:14
Speaker 3: Is if that's a disclaimer, Yeah, no, that's that's a
31:17
Speaker 3: legal requirement they're required to give unless you're the government.
31:21
Speaker 3: You can advertise drugs while giving none of the disclaimers
31:25
Speaker 3: if you're the government, which is insane. And if you
31:28
Speaker 3: think back to some of the CDC advertisements supporting the vaccines,
31:32
Speaker 3: there were there wasn't a single disclaimer named those ads.
31:35
Speaker 3: It's like, just go get the jab. But I would say,
31:40
Speaker 3: if you're dealing with the doctor that gets upset that
31:42
Speaker 3: you're asking them questions, change doctors. Yeah, and and remind them.
31:48
Speaker 3: You know they're sitting there saying you ask them if
31:51
Speaker 3: you're asking them questions and they're getting funny about it,
31:53
Speaker 3: you say, can you tell me what informed consent is?
31:56
Speaker 3: Can please help me define what in form consent is.
31:59
Speaker 3: Get that to define the ethical criteria, ethical and legal
32:04
Speaker 3: criteria that they're held to, and then say, Okay, this
32:07
Speaker 3: is what I'm asking for. You know, it's your job
32:10
Speaker 3: to answer these questions. You're prescribing this treatment. It's your
32:13
Speaker 3: job to answer these questions. It's not your job to
32:16
Speaker 3: get upset with me for asking these questions.
32:19
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Speaker 2: nine six. So, you know, Craig, a lot of what
33:38
Speaker 2: you shared and with the physicians, you know, kind of
33:40
Speaker 2: give us your lessons learned from twenty twenty one and
33:44
Speaker 2: how it costs you. But where are you today and
33:46
Speaker 2: give us kind of the you know, the last three
33:49
Speaker 2: four years.
33:50
Speaker 3: Big picture, Yeah, the big picture is recovery is hard.
33:57
Speaker 3: You know, there's a doctor. The slogan of doctor is
34:01
Speaker 3: there's a pill for that. And part of my recovery
34:05
Speaker 3: was once I could start walking. I started walking through
34:08
Speaker 3: the neighborhood and it was interesting. There was a small
34:11
Speaker 3: hill that would go up and then go a little
34:12
Speaker 3: bit further. I'd reach the same point I wo'd start
34:15
Speaker 3: puking and it was just hard. And there was one
34:18
Speaker 3: day I ran into a doctor in the neighborhood right
34:20
Speaker 3: at that point I had just gotten done puking, and
34:23
Speaker 3: he looked at me and he said, Oh, we need
34:24
Speaker 3: to get you on oxygen. Like, no, that's why I'm
34:28
Speaker 3: out here walking. Yeah, there's a broken mentality in doctors,
34:33
Speaker 3: and that is that there's a pill for that. I
34:35
Speaker 3: would say that there's a broken mentality in us that
34:39
Speaker 3: we want the pill. And I can tell you that
34:41
Speaker 3: recovery was hard. I've regained a mostly normal life. It
34:46
Speaker 3: was hard, it was painful, and no pill would have
34:49
Speaker 3: got me to where I am. So that's one lesson
34:53
Speaker 3: the other lesson, you know, And I thought about this
34:57
Speaker 3: a lot, especially after I woke up from my coma
35:00
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one, and I put this in the book
35:03
Speaker 3: that my wife and I wrote, I Hope That Won't Die.
35:06
Speaker 3: I said, my two biggest lessons from twenty twenty one
35:09
Speaker 3: is first I didn't ask ask enough questions. And the
35:14
Speaker 3: second is I was asking the wrong questions and it
35:17
Speaker 3: nearly cost me my life. So you got to ask questions.
35:21
Speaker 3: Don't let any doctor bully you over. If your doctor
35:26
Speaker 3: is anything other than receptive to you asking questions, you've
35:30
Speaker 3: got the wrong doctor.
35:31
Speaker 2: Leave yeah, and respond to how often do you normally
35:35
Speaker 2: wait for providers to contact you back? If you call
35:38
Speaker 2: with a question and people wait months, well weeks upon
35:43
Speaker 2: months upon months sometimes and care is disrupted. So if
35:47
Speaker 2: they're not responsive and if they don't listen and you
35:50
Speaker 2: don't ask questions, it's a recipe for failure. Yeah, what
35:54
Speaker 2: a journey.
35:55
Speaker 3: Well that would be Oh yeah. I would say to
35:58
Speaker 3: anybody who you know is dealing with whether it's you
36:01
Speaker 3: know what some folks call long COVID or effects from me,
36:06
Speaker 3: you gotta love the dogs. You gotta love the dogs. Hey,
36:09
Speaker 3: it's a post COVID area. Dogs are real, they actually exist,
36:12
Speaker 3: they've been Uh So, what I would say is, if
36:19
Speaker 3: you're suffering with long COVID or the effects of COVID
36:22
Speaker 3: or any anything like that. I would say, avoid the pill,
36:28
Speaker 3: do the work, and you can get back to normal.
36:30
Speaker 3: So I had a I had my physical just a
36:33
Speaker 3: few weeks ago, and my doctor looked at my blood
36:38
Speaker 3: work and he's like, Craig, this is really really amazing.
36:41
Speaker 3: This is like amazing blood work. He said, this is
36:44
Speaker 3: good for this is these are good numbers for anybody
36:47
Speaker 3: with any background. But considering what you've been through, you know,
36:53
Speaker 3: kidney failure and all the stuff that happened in my body,
36:56
Speaker 3: it's it's extraordinary, but it came at the high cost
36:59
Speaker 3: of exercise. And I asked him, I said, Doc, how
37:04
Speaker 3: many people do you know that are in their fifties
37:06
Speaker 3: and on no medications? He said, you were with a
37:10
Speaker 3: very very few people. If I can come back from
37:13
Speaker 3: kidney failure and the edge of death and people I
37:17
Speaker 3: work and be on zero meds, I would say most
37:20
Speaker 3: listeners can do the same.
37:22
Speaker 2: You are one thousand percent correct. I think that's probably
37:26
Speaker 2: one of the most important things that we can pass
37:29
Speaker 2: on to folks outside of asking questions. It's so important
37:34
Speaker 2: to keep your body moving, and it's so important to
37:36
Speaker 2: take your physical health wherever you may be in that
37:40
Speaker 2: spectrum and continue to work at it and move in it.
37:43
Speaker 2: And I have to tell you, Craig, you know, I
37:46
Speaker 2: left the leadership community and hospitals and healthcare and got
37:50
Speaker 2: back into the clinical side and now take care of
37:52
Speaker 2: all these patients that have or lack of a better word,
37:55
Speaker 2: we'll say post COVID with all the anxiety, the depression
37:58
Speaker 2: of PTSD from lost a loved one, loved ones were sick,
38:02
Speaker 2: whatever it might be. And to your point about you
38:05
Speaker 2: know I have a pill for that. I have so
38:08
Speaker 2: many patients that come in and say, well, I just
38:10
Speaker 2: want to pill. And that's the essence of why I
38:14
Speaker 2: think both you and I are here even sharing this.
38:16
Speaker 2: We have to take control of our health, our physical
38:19
Speaker 2: and mental well being. And if you don't want to
38:22
Speaker 2: do it for you, then who Because once you start
38:25
Speaker 2: getting on a medication, that's just the beginning. And again
38:30
Speaker 2: I do understand there can be some life saving components
38:33
Speaker 2: like people that have artificial heart valves, people that have stents,
38:39
Speaker 2: they absolutely have to have, you know, medication that's not
38:42
Speaker 2: going to allow their blood to clock. People have life
38:44
Speaker 2: saving transplants. You have to have the anti rejection drugs. Unfortunately,
38:49
Speaker 2: there's not a lot of ifs in some of those cases.
38:51
Speaker 2: But if you struggle with you know, by blood pressure, diabetes,
38:57
Speaker 2: all kinds of things that are related to you know,
38:59
Speaker 2: insulin sensitive or anything autoimmune, all of that, you've got
39:03
Speaker 2: to take care of your body first. You're absolutely correct.
39:05
Speaker 2: And you know I have patients that will say, well,
39:08
Speaker 2: I need my XYZ pill, and I'm like, but I
39:11
Speaker 2: can get you better, and a lot will, a lot
39:13
Speaker 2: will take me up on it. And many people will
39:15
Speaker 2: laugh because anybody out there that knows me, they've got
39:19
Speaker 2: Patty with protein on the shoulder. But we've got to
39:22
Speaker 2: get people to realize, like the American diet, all the things,
39:27
Speaker 2: get back to the basics. And if I can do it,
39:29
Speaker 2: if Craig certainly haven't been on a ventilator for all
39:33
Speaker 2: that time, can do it. Folks. We're here to tell
39:35
Speaker 2: you got to take charge of your life. You've got
39:38
Speaker 2: to start today. How to start today? That's so true,
39:42
Speaker 2: It's so true. What else do you want to share
39:44
Speaker 2: with folks? Any any other things that we haven't covered,
39:47
Speaker 2: Like where you are today? You feel powered? What do
39:50
Speaker 2: you tell your staff that must be a cool story.
39:53
Speaker 2: They must be looking at it. You're like, man, You're like,
39:55
Speaker 2: just you know, like I was. I was watching Rocky
39:58
Speaker 2: the whole time, so you know, for you who is
40:01
Speaker 2: that actor or you know, who is the guy in
40:06
Speaker 2: the movie you were talking about and he came back?
40:08
Speaker 3: Oh step, yeah, even a.
40:12
Speaker 2: Guy right, Like, do you feel like Steven Sagall Now?
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Speaker 3: Well he's fat?
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Speaker 4: Now uh, he's you. Yeah, he moved to Moscow and
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Speaker 4: he's fat. He's putting a lot of weight. No, it
40:25
Speaker 4: feels really good. It feels really good. There's still I
40:29
Speaker 4: still have limitations, you know.
40:31
Speaker 3: But it's funny when I run into people, they're like, Craig,
40:34
Speaker 3: You're back to normal. I'm like, no, I'm not. Come
40:37
Speaker 3: to camp Gladiator and I'll show you how. And and part
40:42
Speaker 3: of it is I have h have nuopothie in my feet.
40:45
Speaker 3: I suspect that's there to stay and that impacts my balance.
40:49
Speaker 3: But you know it, it feels awesome. My wife actually
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Speaker 3: says I'm in the best shape since she's ever known me.
40:57
Speaker 3: And I'm at a wait right now, I'm at a
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Speaker 3: weight that haven't been at since since I was in
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Speaker 3: my early twenties. And so I would say just get
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Speaker 3: out there and do it. I know it's hard, but
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Speaker 3: one of the things that hit me when I was
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Speaker 3: doing those walks through the neighborhood and peking and trying
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Speaker 3: to rebuild muscle, is I remember thinking, this must be
41:24
Speaker 3: what it feels like to be seventy five and trying
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Speaker 3: to gain muscle. I never want to experience this again.
41:30
Speaker 2: Isn't that terrible? Yeah? I mean to have a fast
41:33
Speaker 2: forward view of being old and not well cared for.
41:37
Speaker 2: Oh and I just want to take a second to
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Speaker 2: give folks this opportunity to look. Craig's book is up there.
41:42
Speaker 2: Hope That Won't Die. Make sure you guys take a look.
41:46
Speaker 2: It's on Amazon. It's on Amazon, all right, Hope That
41:50
Speaker 2: Won't Die. I think it's just an incredible story, and
41:52
Speaker 2: I know there's lots more in there than what we've
41:54
Speaker 2: shared in these last two episodes. But yeah, you know,
41:57
Speaker 2: to be able to feel like someone who's so old
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Speaker 2: and not able to care for oneself, Folks, you don't
42:03
Speaker 2: want to be there, at least not without a fight.
42:06
Speaker 2: And if you're not one hundred years old, I've seen
42:09
Speaker 2: a hundred year old's dancing, So that's my goal. I
42:11
Speaker 2: want to be dancing when I'm a hundred. Your body
42:15
Speaker 2: is so precious. So if Greg can do or Craig
42:18
Speaker 2: can do it, anybody can do it. And you know, well,
42:21
Speaker 2: I know you've about limitations, right, we all do. We're
42:25
Speaker 2: here to tell folks you can do it. Make sure
42:28
Speaker 2: you take a chance to take a look at Craig's book.
42:30
Speaker 2: I think wuld be so worth it for you guys
42:31
Speaker 2: to read his story and hopefully that will inspire some
42:35
Speaker 2: of you. We get a lot of folks on here
42:36
Speaker 2: who have questions about their health. What they can do,
42:39
Speaker 2: you know, things that they can do to get out
42:42
Speaker 2: of the medical model. And it's never too late to start.
42:46
Speaker 2: It's never too late to start. So your staff, Yeah,
42:49
Speaker 2: your staff are proud of you. What do you do
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Speaker 2: with them?
42:53
Speaker 3: Yeah?
42:54
Speaker 2: Do do you give them any kind of like motivational
42:57
Speaker 2: sessions and different things and kind of get them fired up?
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Speaker 3: They fire me up. I mean, they're just so awesome.
43:04
Speaker 3: I don't know, I wish I didn't think I have
43:06
Speaker 3: that much motivational words other than I mean, they were
43:10
Speaker 3: just so amazing. It's it's a privilege to work with
43:13
Speaker 3: such amazing people.
43:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, and your wife another just a blessing to be
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Speaker 2: able to stay strong the way she did and be
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Speaker 2: there and support for me. I know you're very blessed
43:24
Speaker 2: and very pleased how she hung in there with you.
43:25
Speaker 2: So she's a fighter. She's a fighter.
43:29
Speaker 3: Yeah, and she made the transition to let me grow
43:33
Speaker 3: up again and go do weird and dangerous things. But
43:37
Speaker 3: that was it was also sweet. I mean it's while
43:41
Speaker 3: it was a little frustrating, it was like, give me
43:43
Speaker 3: a break, let me do these things. It was it
43:46
Speaker 3: was nice to have somebody that cared enough that they
43:49
Speaker 3: would ever react.
43:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, what an amazing story. You know what I really
43:55
Speaker 2: love most about her. We've got a handful of people,
43:58
Speaker 2: well probably more than a handful of people now that
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Speaker 2: are out on our Betrayal USA dot org site, and
44:04
Speaker 2: they're all over the country fighting the fights through lawsuits,
44:08
Speaker 2: standing out there with signs, fighting against different government agencies,
44:13
Speaker 2: and like your wife going into the hospital and saying no,
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Speaker 2: I need to be able to see my husband and
44:18
Speaker 2: getting them to let her in was just so so powerful,
44:21
Speaker 2: And I think that's what folks need to also stand by.
44:24
Speaker 2: If she can do it, we can do it. If
44:26
Speaker 2: you have a loved one that you're fighting for that.
44:28
Speaker 2: You have questions, you feel alone and isolated, get in
44:31
Speaker 2: there and demand to speak to hospital administration, Ask for
44:35
Speaker 2: the patient advocate, ask for a conference meeting, a meeting
44:39
Speaker 2: to discuss you know your loved one and tune into
44:43
Speaker 2: Betrayal PROJECTUSA dot org. I encourage you if any of
44:46
Speaker 2: you have either lost loved ones through the pandemic, if
44:49
Speaker 2: you're a survivor from the pandemic and you want to
44:52
Speaker 2: tell your story Betrayal Project USA dot org. Just type
44:56
Speaker 2: your information on the website. One of our folks will
44:59
Speaker 2: reach out to you. We have support groups just about
45:02
Speaker 2: every night. I do a trauma group every Thursday night.
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Speaker 2: It's all free to anybody who wants to participate in
45:08
Speaker 2: the group and the trauma that has been left behind
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Speaker 2: of either losing a loved one through COVID surviving through COVID.
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Speaker 2: We have survivors, we have vaccine injured. I encourage you all.
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Speaker 2: Go to Betrayo Project USA dot org. Sign up, get information.
45:24
Speaker 2: If you want to join the fight with us, you're
45:26
Speaker 2: welcome to and Craig, I just want to thank you again.
45:29
Speaker 2: It's really been a pleasure. We'll definitely stay connected so
45:31
Speaker 2: don't go anywhere, and folks hopefully to how to reach
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Speaker 2: us here Magnolia Behavioral Wellness. You can reach us at
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Speaker 2: Magnoliabewellness dot com nine oh four three seven seven one
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Speaker 2: in the coming weeks and we'll have an exciting show
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Speaker 2: for you next week too, so stay tuned, have a
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Speaker 2: wonderful weekend, be blessed, and as start Charlie Kirk would say,
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Speaker 2: change my mind, have a great one, fat and