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Dee-1 Vs. Rick Ross, Cam'ron, Mase & Growth (Pause) - #71 · The Grounded Show

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Yo, man, I'm glad you randomly brought up that Mason Cameron a million
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dollars worth of game because I was literally listening to that while I was waiting
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for you to get on the session. Just now, that's crazy. I'm
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like probably like twenty minutes from finishing it and another thing you had brought something
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up about it. Yeah, let's start there actually, because they talked about
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Jewel Santana and there basically just saying like how they kind of had to force
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him to record sometimes and then you know, just like his potential and everything.
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Bro. Like at the time when Juel Santana came out after his mixtape
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Run, like in between his first and second album, like he was in
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my top five bro, Like it's one of them ones. And it sounds
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crazy to say now because like the drop off was so crazy from back then
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fast, but he was really like Yo, a lot of people don't even
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notice, but he was a big inspiration for Lil Wayne. Bro. Yeah,
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he was. Lil Wayne went to like Lil Wayne had like a certain
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sound. Then he went up North and started spending a lot of times with
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Dipset, but specifically with Duel's Like them two got real close and they used
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to actually like hang out, hang out, and he really like just soaked
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up a lot of like I guess, like that New York swag and that
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style and stuff and just like morphed it with that down South and Bro it
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was over. But at the time, Bro, it was like pretty like
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much known like Jewels was the one, you know what I'm saying. When
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when him and when Joel Santana and Lil Wayne was gonna drop their project together,
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it was exciting because of Jewel's, you know what I mean at the
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time. You know, it's crazy to say now, but it was really
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like Jewel's was the guy. Yeah that uh what was the name of that
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project? What the Game's been missing? What the game's been missing? I
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was the second album? Yeah, that was the second one. I think
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he had. What was the first one for me? For me to you,
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Yeah, yeah, both of them was fired like that. Man,
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he had it, Bro, he really did have it, and you know
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kind of what they were just suching. I actually got to go listen to
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it because I just called a little snippet of it. I was just strolling.
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I was like, I gotta check this out. But they were basically
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saying that he had the potential to be on hose level when it came to
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just you know, his his everything about him, Like, you know,
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you just made the point that Lil Wayne, one of you know, arguably
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one of the greatest rappers of all time, basically was like I saw him
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and kind of was like, man, I gotta I gotta kind of emulate
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a little bit of what they're doing, you know what I'm saying, So
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that that speaks volumes to what the potent, you know, the potential was
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for him. Yeah, Duels was definitely one of those that let me down
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as far as a fan, you know what I mean. And it's crazy
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because even Cameron was saying on the interview like he was he was just talking
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about Due. Was like even him like he's a fan, so like even
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he be checking like when is he gonna drop music? And he just never
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drops and it's like bro, like He'll always see him like, oh,
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I'm gonna drop this in a month, this is coming out this like,
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but he never drops anything. And Cam is like, you know, he's
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a fan. He would like to hear him drop some stuff, and I
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like this. I always like Cameron like just as far as like interviews his
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music, Like I was always a big fan, but like in this time
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that he's in, I like how he's kind of stayed himself, but he's
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grown too, you know what. I Like. You definitely can see it.
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You could hear it. You know. He was talking about how how
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Gillan Wallow got him and Mace back together as far as like you know,
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getting cool again, and he was just saying it straight up, like he
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wasn't even trying to make it sound cool, Because like that's a big thing
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for me. Bro. I hate, like, I hate hate with a
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passion when somebody tries to make something sound cool because they just don't feel comfortable
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just saying it as it is, you know what I'm saying, Like when
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they try to switch words and make something sound real gangster like Yo. You
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ever seen that that little video like the dude where he's like, hey,
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yo, happy g day, Yo, yea happy g day and everybody's like,
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why you just don't say happy birthdays? Like happy slim day yo?
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I think so funny, bro, because it's so true, like everybody knows
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somebody like that that they're just too cool to even just say regular stuff.
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You know what, I mean, you're just a super thug gangster more than
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everybody else that you just have to be mister hard guy all the time.
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Like, Bro, that shits so corny, man, no facts, especially
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when it's like Bro, at a certain point though we've grown as hell,
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ain't nobody Don't nobody care about that no more? You know what I mean?
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Like, Bro, then that's the crazy shit about like when you kind
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of leave like that hood kind of vibe, you know what I mean,
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because people ain't like that in real life, you know what I'm saying,
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Like that's something that I had to kind of learn, like like you almost
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Bro. It's funny because I talked about this with Edgar one time. Like
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before, when you start working, you almost feel like everybody's pussy, you
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know what I'm saying, because like you're coming from like a whole different vibe.
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And then like you're kind of seeing how people move and the way people
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are in real life, like they don't really want no confrontation and stuff like
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that. And when you start working, like when you at least for me,
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bro, like and I know you probably can relate to like you know,
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you come from like a certain kind of environment where everybody's on a certain
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kind of vibe. And then you start working and you're thinking that everybody's still
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going to be on the type of time that the people you know is on,
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you know what I mean, Yeah, and that that just kind of
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ties in because it's like, you know, when you grow up, you
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start meeting certain people and you start breaking bread with certain people, and you
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see like, oh, man, like these are human beings, Like these
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are real humans. You know, you start realizing that the people that you
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hang out with are like cavemen, you know what I'm saying. And then
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it's like something that we always talked about on the show too, like some
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people like grow out of that some people or dapt and realized like damn,
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we was on some child stuff or some people was like the ones that you
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go back and they're still on that like you know, got to make everything
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sound cool type thing. It's like, bro, we're not in high school,
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We're not on the block, Like grow up, bro, not real
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real. I mean, I think at a certain point, you know what
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I mean, we gotta be like and I think that's why, you know,
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we always talk about all the time, how like we grew up with
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a lot of people around us, and we can count on one hand how
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many people we still have around us. Just from the standpoint of like when
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you grow up, you know what I'm saying, certain things that seemed cool
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or okay at the time, you realize, like Bro, like it was
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just a circumstance of our environment, you know what I mean, Like we
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grow out of that, and we no longer you know, are kind of
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privy to that kind of stuff, you know, and some people just never
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grow out of it. Fact, it's like, Bro a perfect segue,
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and I think it's the best segue of all time, if I do say
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so myself. When you talk about Cam and Mace, it's like they were
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able to grow but still keep the essence of what they're about, what people
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liked about them as far as them being rappers and celebrities. And now they're
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doing that show. You know what I mean. It is what it is.
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It's sports talk show, but it's like kind of like hood style.
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You know, they dressing nice on it. You know, they coming in
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suits. You know they're ready to go. You know what I'm saying,
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They're not. It's a hood type show, but they not treating it in
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that Hood way you feel me like they're really taking the time, they're really
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doing it the right way. They're getting guests, the production value, they
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know what they talking about. They're not just going there without like actually like
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doing research and stuff. So that's why it's working, you know what I
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mean, you got them right doing that growing you know, still making money
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still. I mean even on the show, they were talking about doing a
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tour of them together and Wallow hooked them up with the Live Nation dude like
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just on the show, like he called them and he's like, yo,
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I got Cam and May say they're trying to do a tour. What's up?
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And he's like, yo, I'll put them on tour tomorrow. And
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he's all right, best, so I'm gonna connect y'all. So watch now
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you'll see they probably make another bag with that. He got them to doing
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that. They spoke on Joel's like where Jewell's is. You know, he
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was the type of dude that wasn't putting in the work that he should have
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been at the time, And look at him now like it shows you know,
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you can't you can't say what Cam said was wrong because all you gotta
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do is see what they both on. The proof is in the pudding,
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bro, you can't. It's kind of like like when I think about Lloyd
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Banks, Like Lloyd Banks, that'll be like he always say like, oh,
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you know, I was a rapping more than anything, Like I wasn't
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about this industry stuff. I'm a rapper. But he's he ain't lying because
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he was dropping projects consistently throughout the whole time. You know what I'm saying.
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He wasn't doing the mainstream releases, but he was still getting his money,
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he was still dropping music, and there were still people that thought he
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was the best rapper. Like when people didn't even talk about Lloyd Banks anymore,
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there was people out there saying, Bro, Lloyd Banks is the best
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rapper out right now. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. That's how
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I kind of look at the Jewels thing. It's like, you know,
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the proof is in the pudding, bro, Like you ain't doing nothing,
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so obviously you wasn't doing nothing before, you know, but you look at
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Juel's, you look at Mason cam and then you look at Jim Jones.
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Bro. That same kind of dude we talk about like where you're not really
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seeing like a like a public growth of him as far as like his character
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as a man goes. You know, he's still on the you know me
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me outside type stuff, Like if somebody says something about him, he's ready
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to fight type stuff. And it's like, Bro, you know what I'm
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saying, Like YouTube talented youto elevated, Like, Bro, Jim Jones is
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a dude that's part of a lot of classic hip hop things. You know
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what I'm saying, Like he could really elevate if he wanted to. He
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could elevate himself into being like in that air. You know what I'm saying,
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Like if he just treated himself and his business as such, Bro,
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he could be one of them type dudes. You know what I'm saying,
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Because he got the resume. But you talk about that and it's like that's
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kind of like what that dude d One was talking about. You know what
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I mean. You got people like that that you look at those four people,
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Juel Santana, Mace Cameron, Jim Jones, people that kind of started
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out together. Mayzon not so much, but he was there in the beginning.
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It was exactly yeah. Yeah, So it's like they all kind of
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started around the same time and all went in a certain direction, and you
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see the ones that are still around and relevant are the ones that grew you
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know what I'm saying exactly. But that's you know, touches on the topic
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that you wanted to speak on, which is the D One situation, because
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there's a lot of layers in that and a lot of different things we could
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talk about in that. So go ahead and like kind of introduce to introduce
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it to everybody and let me know how you want to approach it. Yeah,
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yeah, So D One For those of y'all that don't know, D
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One is an independent artist. I remember probably about six or seven years ago.
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I remember the first song I think I heard from him that kind of
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went virraate was called Sally Mayback and it was just basically a song about him
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like finally getting like in a financial situation with music that he was able to
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pay back his student loans like he was a middle school teacher, you know
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what I'm saying. And so it was a nice little play on it,
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but it was cool. Song went pretty viral. He was on like Oprah,
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He was on like a lot of not I can't remember if it was
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Oprah. He was on a lot of like talk shows about it and stuff,
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and it was dope. So that kind of catapulted his music career and
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since then he's done a lot, you know, just in the community.
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He's really gravitated towards being I wouldn't call him a Christian rapper, but you
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know, he's very into that positivity. Yeah, you know what I mean,
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He's very into positivity. And so as of recent uh, he basically
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called out but he was just making a point on the sway in the morning
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show of like you know, a lot of these artists kind of basically kind
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of tell him both sides and and for example, he called out Rick Ross,
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Meet Mill, Jim Jones. He basically said, you know, I
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love you, but you know you can't be the face of prison reform or
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yet your your recent song is talking about killing other other brothers, you know
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what I'm saying. And so obviously Meet Mill, Rick Ross, Jim Jones,
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they didn't take too kindly to that. They all had their own piece
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of mind to speak on it. Meet Mill was a little subtle with his
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He basically just kind of said some stuff on his story about it. Nothing
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too crazy. Yeah, Rick Ross basically you know, responded to him via
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a video, stating that you know, until you can give out you know,
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turkeys and stuff and in the community and and you know, help people
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graduate and go to college. You know what I'm saying, don't check me
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about my music. Blah blah blah blah blah. Jim Jones basically just came
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to him on the street route, like you know what I'm saying. You
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mentioned my name, like you got me glitching, like you know what I
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mean. Like he came to him like on the street route, and then
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basically, you know, d One responded to all of them, you know
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what I'm saying, he said. As far as meet Mill, he basically
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was like, you know your response, I respect it, but you know,
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at the same time, you know you're you're missing my point, Like
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the content of the music and for what you're doing, they don't line up.
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He's like, I bought your prison reform shoes for thousands of kids in
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my community because I believed in what you were doing, But then your music
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doesn't translate to that, you know what I'm saying. And as far as
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Rick Ross is like, you know, Rick Ross was basically saying everything about
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what he's done in the community, and the ones like yo, I mean,
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I hear what you're saying, but your music is gonna touch way more
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hearts than those turkeys, you know what I'm saying. Like, yeah,
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that was like the most interesting thing to me. Like as far as what
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he said, that really resonated, like because you know, Rick Ross was
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basically saying like, oh, you know, you don't you don't see how
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many thousands of turkeys I'm giving every year Thanksgiving, like he was, you
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know, kind of just mentioning certain things that he does for the community.
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But like what you said, that was like the line that really like stuck
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with me, Like it's like, yeah, but you know, you might
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give away twenty thousand turkeys, but you know a million people hearing the song,
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you know, exactly exactly, And you know, like I said,
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as far as Jim Jones, I haven't seen him respond to Jim Jones yet,
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but I did see a general response. He went on another show or
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pod or whatever it was that he was on, and basically what he stated
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with someone along the lines of you know, I'm for the first time in
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a long time, I'm just drawing the line in the sand of you know,
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where are you trying to stand within this hip hop like are you going
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to be on the side of positivity or are you going to be on the
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side of negativity? Either way, I'm cool with it, but don't tell
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her both you know what I'm saying, and so and so that's kind of
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what where his thought process is as far as why he said what he said.
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And with that said, I'll give my thoughts on it, but you
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know, kind of what do you think overall? So when it comes to
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this, it's real interesting to me because it's something that in my own music
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I'm very conscious of and if you hear my music, there's not themes of
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like cheating, there's not themes of like degrading women. Like I'm very particular
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about like the type of things I say in the music because I'm I'm a
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firm believer in what d one is talking about, like with the music thing.
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But like I said, with this, it's kind of like I'm gonna
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be talking out of the both sides of my mouth, out of both sides
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of my mouth because it's like, at the same time, I'm not trying
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like when it comes to rap, like especially dog Like One, I'm not
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trying to hear something with no curses like it just don't hit like I don't
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know what it is like. Hip hop is like a raw type of energy
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and if you're not cussing like it's it's damn near impossible for me to really
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rock with it. It's just I don't know, Like I have no good
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reasoning for it. It's just the way my mind works when it comes to
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that type of music. Same with the content. Bro, I'm a big
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young thug fan. You know, Gunna is one of my favorite artists just
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as far as like the as far as an artist goes, I'm not saying
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he's like a great rapper or what, but either way, when you hear
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the content of his music. Future is another one. I'm a huge Future
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fan. But all those artists I just name, they're not saying anything that
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I would stand behind, right, you feel me like they're saying things here
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and there, you know, just as far as like you know how to
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you know, stand on you know, you stand on what you say as
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a man type stuff, you know what I mean? Like, you know,
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they got little things here and there, you know, just a lot
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of I like it a lot more for just like how they capture like how
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you feel like coming from those environments, you know what I'm saying, Like
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they got these lines here and there that you're like, Bro, you know
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what I'm saying. Like one one that always stands out with me, like
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especially with Future is like on a too comfortable joint that he dropp is like
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he's just saying, I've been through more stuff this month than somebody been through
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in a lifetime, Like obviously the way he delivered it, and there's more,
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way more curses in it than what I just said. But and when
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in the part of the song that it drops, it's like, bro,
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like that hits like and you feel that, you know what I'm saying,
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Like things like that, you feel that. But at the same time,
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I'm not gonna I'm not gonna show some Future to my son and be like,
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yo, this you know what I'm saying, Like he'll hear it,
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but I'll be quick to let him know like this is bullshit. You know
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what I mean? This is just music, you know, So you know,
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I definitely feel where D One's coming from, but I'm not gonna listen
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to any D one music, you know what I'm saying, Like that,
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like to me, he like that kind of music to me is kind of
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like a battle rap, kind of like logic, you know what I'm saying.
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Like that kind of music to me is like you listen even like even
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like Jodner Lucas to a certain degree. Bro, It's like the kind of
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music that you listen to at one time and you're like, dang, that
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was dope how he did that. But it's not something that you're gonna listen
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to like on the regular. Like for me, you know what I'm saying,
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those type of vibes is like like, oh cool, you're talented,
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but I'm not gonna rock with this, you know I mean? And I
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agree with the like the back and forth and everything, And to me,
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bro, like it makes it makes Rick Ross look a little corny slash.
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It looks like the message went above his head because it's like, Bro,
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you pointing out some turkeys, you know what I'm saying. And obviously,
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when somebody comes comes at you about what you stand for as a man,
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nobody's gonna take that in a good way. You feel me like d one
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is coming at people like you talking about everything they stand on, which that's
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something to me that is like I feel where he's coming from. But at
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the same time, bro, what what do you what are you trying to
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gain out of this slash? Like, what's the what's the resolution here?
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Where you're just you know, volunteering your assessment of how another man lives his
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life? You feel me? So it's like, like I said, bro
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Like, it's a real interesting thing, and it's something that I've been like
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paying attention to even before you mentioned it, just because there's so many good
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points on both sides, you know what I'm saying. Any And it's like,
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Bro, I'm gonna let every artist that D One was talking about he's
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one hundred percent right, but I'm gonna listen to a hundred of each of
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their songs before I listen to one D One song, right, you know
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what I'm saying. And that's just how it is, bro Like, it's
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a weird thing. And it's like I said, it's a thing where it's
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like you got like the two little guys on your shoulders and you don't know
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which one you're gonna listen to in this situation, you know, m Yeah,
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I definitely agree with you. I will say to one point that you
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made and then I'll kind of get my piece on it. One point that
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you made, as far as you know, you not kind of rocking with
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that his style of music. I think going to his point, it's like,
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yeah, i may not have as many listeners as you, but I'm
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also not devaluing myself in a sense, if that makes sense. And you
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know what, I'm saying that one hundred percent because it's like I'm saying,
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bro, like I won't put out certain types of music, you know what
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I'm saying right right saying I'm staying in that because I feel the same exact
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way if I'm not gonna blow because I'm not trying to say certain phrases and
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certain bringing certain themes and make people feel a certain way. That's like it's
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kind of like we were talking about last time with like the sampling and the
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interpolation, Like it's not just when you're like relying on sounds and melodies and
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rhythms, but people also just rely on the topics because it's like, you
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know, it's something that I don't know if we've talked about on the podcast,
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but we've kind of talked about it, like right now, if you
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wanted to as a rapper. You could say, hey, I'm gonna rap
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about everything d One is talking about that he don't want to rap about and
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get my numbers up. And you'll get your numbers up, bro, because
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you got the skill for it. You you're super clever, so you'll be
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like, Bro, that's low hanging through. It's so easy to come up
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with clever lines about things like that because it's there, Bro, it's all
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there right in your face. Is easy. It is cheap, and that's
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what makes it hard to make like super good quality music where it's just something
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that stands on its own, you know, right right right exactly. And
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so like I said, it's like I really feel him on that and it
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makes a lot of sense. But at the end of the day, I'm
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not listening to his music. Bro, right right, that's a that's a
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great take. I think that's an interesting way to look at it because it's
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factual even with all of this going on. I think I went to his
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his spotify, like his music on Spotify. I played one song and then
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I was like, all right, cool, you know what I'm saying.
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It wasn't like nothing that dragged me in, and I'm not saying it was
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bad. It just it wasn't really like you know what I'm saying, It
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wasn't for me. Does he have people that's like that's for him or for
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him? Yeah, he does, for sure obviously, or he wouldn't even
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nobody would even be responding to him, you know what I'm saying. But
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you know, it's also like more of an niche like sound, you know,
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or a niche kind of artist. I was gonna say real quick,
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it's like it kind of it kind of puts it kind of puts him in
22:12
like a kind of box of like a certain type of vibe. And how
22:21
do I say? It's like, so somebody like here's a perfect example,
22:25
somebody like a Travis Scott. I've kind of put myself in a mental place
22:29
where it's like that's how a future is another one, Travis Scott future.
22:36
They have their sound and they're when what they talking about, right, but
22:40
what are they focusing on the Actually they actually focus on the artistry. They're
22:42
actually focusing on the music. And when you hear them or talk or see
22:47
them in interviews and stuff, they're not perpetuating the music in how they present
22:52
themselves. You feel me like that's kind of like the space where I've gotten
22:56
comfortable with as far as like being a fan of something, you know what
23:00
I mean, which is another thing like which was kind of crazy, like
23:03
Young Thug was getting to that stage where like he was like he had a
23:07
sound and how do you say it, like like an image from his music.
23:12
But then when he would go to these interviews and stuff, he kind
23:15
of left the tough guy gangster stuff alone and he was just more like just
23:19
talking, you know what I mean, and just kind of being him and
23:22
he was I felt like he was kind of like almost crossing over into like
23:26
a pop like he was crossing up like he was you know, he was
23:30
starting to perform on these late night shows, you know what I mean,
23:33
Like, and I'm pretty sure he was like on the verge of starting to
23:37
actually like do interviews on like you know, Jimmy Kimmel and stuff like that
23:41
where he was actually showing like his you know, his personality and everything.
23:45
But it's like that's kind of like the space I kind of like it to
23:49
be in, like somebody like a Rick Ross, Meek Mill, Like meek
23:55
Mill is one real big for me, like as far as he is so
23:59
cool on social media like you see, like like the stuff that he's that
24:03
he posts and the stuff he volunteers and the tweets that he does, it's
24:07
like, bro, like you a grown man guy, Like come on,
24:11
bro, like you're like you gave us dreams and nightmares, Bro, Like
24:17
rive us them dream chaser mixtapes like Dog, you cannot be out here sounding
24:22
like a freaking nineteen year old kid that went to the club for the first
24:26
time, Like you know what I'm saying, Like he just comes across like
24:29
that all the time. And it's like, bro, like I would just
24:32
love to just you know, And it goes back to what we talked about
24:37
with Joe Dog, Like that's why you can't even like hold these artists to
24:41
what they saying, like as far as like, oh, I'm gonna listen
24:44
to your music and stand by you as a man, because it's like Dog,
24:47
if you do that, you're not gonna listen to no music. You
24:49
know what I'm saying, right, And you even And the funny thing is
24:52
bro like like with somebody like d One, now you're out here talking that
24:57
right, don't mess up, m don't let nobody catch you doing anything anything
25:03
at all. You wanted to come out the side of your face and say,
25:06
hey, y'all not living right. You know, I'm this positive begon
25:10
of life, this and that. Don't mess up, brot. You better
25:14
hold that, you know, for the rest of your life, dog,
25:17
because you know, people slip and fall. Like That's why. That's why
25:21
I said, like, it's kind of like double sided to me because it's
25:23
like I feel where he's coming from. But at the same time, why
25:26
are you speaking on this? You know what I'm saying. What he's got
25:27
to do with you? You know? Yeah, like you're just volunteering like
25:30
a superhero, you know what I'm saying, you with your cape, like,
25:33
oh I'm Superman and these guys are all jerks, you know, Like
25:37
now you gotta fly? You feel me? Yeah? Nah, I will
25:40
say I don't know. I didn't watch that entire interview, so I don't
25:42
know what prompted the initial comment, but I will say, you know,
25:48
as far as my peace on it, I think that, yeah, I
25:52
do agree. For I would say, like eighty percent, I do agree
25:56
with what he's saying. I do. I think the biggest part of it
25:59
to me is, you know, yeah, great give back to the community.
26:03
You know what I'm saying, prison reform, all of that is great,
26:07
but you know, we can all say that like certain styles of music
26:14
influences certain behavior, you know what I'm saying, Like, and when you
26:18
are a when you are I would call you, I'm not a you know,
26:26
Mount Rushmore, but you are an OG in this hip hop game.
26:29
You know what I'm saying, we are. You're a top one. You're
26:32
a top dog out here, and a lot of these young casts looking up
26:34
to you. You know what I'm saying, Like, of course you know
26:38
what I'm saying, it's going to continue to I mean, how many young
26:41
rappers do we see get killed every year? Bro? I think I think
26:45
I saw like a video, well like they put out a video every year
26:48
of different rappers they got killed, and I think the last year it was
26:52
like three hundred something where it's like, bro, that's I wants a rapper
26:55
a day fact, you know what I'm saying. And it's like why because
27:00
aus what they see is what they're gonna emulate. They see the success of
27:03
That's the part of it that people like Rick Ross I feel missed the point
27:07
on. It's like, dog, you're saying all this that's cool, but
27:11
we're not talking about the bigger issue here that there's kids that you know,
27:15
are impressionable that you know, are seeing the way you talking online and stuff
27:19
and the character that you portraying, and you know they taking it like fact,
27:22
you know what I mean? Because bro, like you know when you
27:27
like growing up in the neighborhood and all that and everything's kind of rough,
27:30
Like you hear this music and you feel like like you're automatically assuming these dudes
27:36
are telling the truth. Bro, Like you don't got nobody to tell you.
27:37
Hey, these dudes are just talking just to talk, you know what
27:41
I mean, Like this is not what's really going on every day. You
27:44
know, they just you know, they might've went through something for an hour
27:47
one time, you know, and three years ago and they living off that
27:51
moment. You know, they talking like a kingpin just because they did one
27:53
thing one time. You know. If that you know a lot of people
27:57
just going to the studio and they they they stories in the studio, you
28:00
know, yeah, exactly, but a lot of times, like people listening
28:04
to it don't know that and exactly what Devon was saying, like a million
28:08
people listen to it, you know, what I'm saying, and you don't
28:11
know how many of those people are just being influenced and thinking like yeah this,
28:15
Yeah, to be a boss, I gotta be you know, hard,
28:18
and I gotta sell, you know, drugs and do all this like
28:22
yeah man, And it's like, you know, yeah, you get you're
28:25
doing these things for the community. Yeah, you're giving these turkeys, Yeah,
28:26
you paying for these people to go to school. But it's like,
28:30
is that actually balancing out the negativity that you're feeding as well? And don't
28:33
get me wrong, but I listen to all that, you know what I'm
28:36
saying, I do Like I'm not saying it's it's uh, it's it's bad
28:41
because at the end of the day, it's entertainment, you know what I'm
28:42
saying. We watch hood movies all the time. But at the same time,
28:48
I can see the point of let's draw the line, you know what
28:52
I'm saying, which side of the line are you on? Don't tell the
28:55
both sides, you know what I'm saying, Because that that that's where it's
28:57
like, you know what I'm saying, I don't know. That's just where
29:00
it's it's blurred. That's that's super interesting because like the way you're the way
29:03
you're breaking it down. I didn't really think about it. It's like are
29:07
you are you doing more good than bad? You know what I'm saying,
29:10
Like, yeah, you can say that you did X, Y and Z,
29:12
But again it goes back to that ratio, like what what the what
29:18
the message you spreading is it overtaking you know, the good that you say
29:22
that you're doing, Like it's a crazy thing. And it goes back to
29:25
even the hood thing too. It's like work smarter than not harder? Man,
29:27
Like why you're going to try to like, you know, be so
29:30
creative with your music and do other stuff with it to try to get on
29:33
when you know, hey I can do this, this is what they look
29:37
at exactly. And that kind of just goes to the you know and I
29:41
mean obviously that's just take a whole lot of direction, but that just goes
29:45
to the selling your soul, you know, perspective of it, you know
29:48
what I'm saying, where it's like, we obviously know you have the talent
29:51
to make music, you know what I'm saying. And I think the exact
29:53
words d One said was you know I can make positive music and still have
29:59
a fan base, can you you know what I'm saying, So it's like
30:03
it's harder, It's definitely it's harder. It's harder. So it's like,
30:07
you know, it does make sense from both perspectives. I definitely lean on
30:11
the d one side of it as an artist. And ask somebody that,
30:15
you know, when I first started rapping, I was saying all this stuff
30:18
that I definitely probably you know, saying today would look crazy because I know
30:22
I don't live that life, you know what I'm saying, And you know,
30:26
just from that perspective, it's like I try my best to when I
30:30
make music be myself, you know what I'm saying, Like I ain't talking
30:33
about nothing I ain't actually doing, you know, and I'm not trying to
30:37
spread no kind of negative message. Like even if it even if the message
30:41
is like a negative concept, I try to put my own twist on it
30:45
where it's like still positive. You always got to lead somewhere, you know
30:48
what I mean. It's like it's just that gratuitousness, you know what I
30:52
mean, Like you don't want anything to ever be gratuitous, Like if you
30:56
can't be doing too much at any angle like this, it's just that moderation
31:00
thing. Like moderation is you know, moderation applies to everything in life,
31:06
like even water. Bro, you have too much water, you die.
31:08
Like that's like the big basic building block of life. And if you have
31:11
too much of it, you die. Like it just lets you know,
31:15
you always gotta you always got to stay in that middle, you know what
31:18
I mean, as far as like you know, the highs and the lows,
31:22
like you gotta stay as like grounded as you can. Mm hm,
31:26
not big facts, but yeah, man, you know I got these uh
31:30
these are articles here. Man. I was looking up in the news like
31:33
I look for like a little different kind of news this week. Dog,
31:37
you know how scared I am flying, Bro, Like we've flown a few
31:41
times together. I don't know if you, like, like if you were
31:44
able to physically see it, because you know, I get I get real,
31:48
like just like real serious and real focus and like you know, I'll
31:52
be kind of like in the zone. But I'm scared, like scared,
31:56
like crazy scared. And I was reading this article, bro. Crew aboard
32:00
a US bound plane discovered a missing window pane at thirteen thousand feet yow brouh.
32:12
People started noticing like it was a little more no, hazy and cold
32:15
than usual and on the flight, and then they noticed that, Bro,
32:21
Yo, that's why. So what the window was like open, but the
32:25
little shade thing was missing a window period, like one of the little windows
32:30
with the shade, you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, it
32:32
was missing it. Wait, one was damaged and two were missing. I'm
32:37
looking at the picture right now. Bro. Oh my god. And they
32:42
were up in the air when they noticed it. Bro, I would have
32:45
died before that plane landed, Dog, I would have had attack in the
32:47
air. Bro, I would have been done. Yo. I've been through
32:53
like going to Puerto Rico. That's like I hate that flight because there's always
32:59
I feel like there's always mad turbulence. Like all the all the flights that
33:02
I've had, like in the last like fifteen years or so, have been
33:06
like smooth, you know, except for like one flight to Dallas it was
33:09
like kind of rough. Yo. Whenever there's any turbulence, Dog, you
33:14
don't understand the fear that overtakes my heart. Bro, you do not understand.
33:20
Dog, I'd be so shook. I'd be thinking it's over, Bro,
33:23
immediately start thinking about my family. I'm like why did I take this
33:25
flight? What an idiot I am? Who does this? Who leaves their
33:30
family and gets on a plane? You know what I mean? Like taking
33:32
crazy stuff? Dog? Because that shit is scary, Bro. Yeah I'm
33:37
not. I'm not the most Like I don't mind a flight. I don't
33:43
take a flight because I've definitely taken plenty of flights. But it's not something
33:45
I'm jumping for, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, facts,
33:47
Bro? If I could drive like that, that's why I want to
33:50
free my time up, just so I could like take the time to drive
33:52
places, you know what I mean. Because I don't mind driving. I
33:54
like driving. I would like to get like an RV or something. Yeah,
33:59
my bad before you go into the next one, yo, did you
34:00
know that? Uh? There's so the only reason I'm thinking of this is
34:05
because we're talking about the flights, and I'm actually scared of heights. So
34:07
I like, if I'm staying on top of a building, bro, you're
34:08
not about to catch me like too close to that, you know what I'm
34:10
saying. So when I'm in a plane, like I can look out the
34:15
window and I'll be all right. But I'm still in my mind like scared
34:19
of heights, you know, but what made me think about it? Did
34:22
you know that there's a newer branch of basically not the Army, but you
34:27
know, the United States like uh forces, Armed Forces, thank you?
34:34
That's uh hold on, I want to tell you the exact name. I'm
34:37
trying to think of it. I'm looking it up right now. But the
34:40
division, it's like it's called Space Force, the US Space for Yeah,
34:52
bro, So they just launched Space Force as in like a few years ago.
34:58
And Dog, the first thing I thought about, what's Halo? Bro?
35:01
Crazy? Like that's like literally what it's like like set out to be
35:06
almost like you know what I'm saying, Like, Bro, it's even like
35:10
like, uh, it's crazy Dog Like Terminator. The whole plot of Terminator,
35:15
it's we're literally in the beginning stages of what they like. So in
35:21
Terminator, the world is already basically like taken over by the robots, right,
35:27
but like when they whenever they talk about what happened that led to it,
35:30
they always talk about like the AI and like them introducing it, you
35:36
know, them like saying how much is helping this, this and that and
35:39
it? Like then other people saying like nah, Like we they basically exactly
35:44
what's going on right now with the introduction of the AI is dog Elon Musk.
35:49
It's like he's making this like one of his top priorities right now is
35:53
trying to help regulate Slash stop this AI thing. He's legit concerns scared,
36:00
like to the point where he's going to these summits and stuff, like he's
36:04
making sure that he's going to talk about this stuff because he's like, Bro,
36:08
they're programming this stuff to basically look at us as the enemy. You
36:14
know what I'm saying, Like all the media and everything that's out there that's
36:17
to be consumed paints humans as like the most vile pieces of shit on the
36:22
planet. Bro. What you think a robot is gonna think if they read
36:27
all this stuff and try to figure out like how to eliminate problems and things
36:30
like that, and all the information that it's taking in is everybody. You
36:35
know, Like we were talking about earlier Bro rappers getting shot, people pumping
36:38
out negativity, like all the shit that is going on, bro Dah,
36:44
Like I said, like that's like the plot of Terminator, Bro, And
36:47
that's literally like the stages that we're in right now. We're like we're like
36:52
basically in the Terminator world. We're at that pivotal stage right now where like
36:57
it's like the make or break thing. Obviously this is real life and it's
37:00
not a movie. But kind of going back even though what you was just
37:04
talking about dog like these little these plots, Bro, they've been dropping hands
37:07
for a long time. Yeah, bro. And then the thing is is
37:10
that we not like nobody's really considered like bro. I just so, the
37:15
Space Force was formed December twenty, twenty nineteen, so it's not even four
37:20
years yet. And basically here the US Space Forces lineup effort and able the
37:25
service to provide the forces, personnel, and partnerships required to preserve US space
37:31
superiority. What and then you're talking about like a short couple of years later,
37:37
they're starting to come out with these UFO the classified things where they're talking
37:42
about these UAPs the Unidentified Aerial phenomenon because they changed the name to that now
37:49
and it's like they're talking about things that people in the Armed Forces have seen,
37:52
like pilots, you know, generals, different people that before we're scared
37:58
to talk about it. Now they're actually like, bring this information out,
38:01
So it's it's crazy bro is right now man, because Bro, there's a
38:06
lot of stuff like period that is going on slash always is going on in
38:09
the world. And it's crazy, man, because all the stuff that goes
38:15
on, like especially like right now with the Israel and Palestine stuff, everybody
38:20
like wants to jump to like have an opinion and talk about it and stuff.
38:23
And even like when I was looking up articles earlier, like even when
38:27
the funny articles, I stay away from stuff that has to do with death,
38:30
you know, anything that touches on like real subjects because it's like dog
38:35
like, this kind of stuff is going on all over the world. One
38:39
two, I'm not gonna talk about it or dissect it where it's like bro,
38:45
like none of us, none of us really know what's really going on
38:49
over there unless we in there living it. Unless you you've been in any
38:53
of these situations, not even just Israel and Palestine, like any situation in
38:58
this world. Bro, Like, unless you talking to me from a first
39:00
hand point of view, because you're somebody that's lived in there or in that
39:04
situation your whole life and you got some experience to talk about it from.
39:08
I don't want to hear it, bro, because ain't nobody over here is
39:12
gonna know what's going on in a country, you know, half the global
39:16
way that has been going through something for two thousand years. Like you're gonna
39:22
tell me you have the answer for it. Like, come on, bro,
39:24
be a little have a little more sense than that, you know.
39:28
Yeah. Yeah. So it's like we were talking about it in the chat
39:30
the other day, like a lot of you know, me and Joe,
39:35
We're talking about it in particular, and then you chimed in when you got
39:38
back on the conversation. But it was like, bruh, we not over
39:43
here trying to, you know, have these conversations slash bring up this animosity
39:49
or go through these emotions with people about certain things. When it's like,
39:52
Bro, the writing's on the wall. It is what it is. People
39:54
are going to be the way that they are. You can't try to be
39:59
so micro scopic about everything all the time, you know what I mean,
40:01
Sometimes you got to just zoom out like that. That's bro again. With
40:05
the Watchman, Bro, but it's like Doctor Manhattan and Watchman. He would
40:10
take his his his chick Lry, he would take her to the to the
40:15
moon, basically like to sit up there and have like their conversations and stuff,
40:20
so they could actually like have a place to like really talk and really
40:23
like be locked in on the conversation, you know what I mean. Like
40:27
he wouldn't you know, he would take her out there to talk. And
40:30
I always feel like it's like the imagery of like you sitting on the moon
40:35
looking at the earth and then like talking about life from that perspective. Bro.
40:38
Like that's something that a lot of people should try to like envision.
40:44
I feel like, you know what I mean, Like, imagine when you're
40:45
talking about life and when you're talking about the stuff, that you're looking at
40:47
the whole globe. You know what I'm saying, Like, zoom out of
40:51
your situations, zoom outter like what you you know, personally feel and what's
40:54
what you're going through. Like, but when you zoom out and really look
40:57
at it, like it gives you a whole different view. Mm hmmm,
41:00
have you I mean going to that point? It's like now because people,
41:07
you know, I'll be seeing stuff so so often on social media where people
41:12
are like just clowning somebody or responding to somebody in a certain way where it's
41:15
like people just their opinions now they feel like they're so valid and so warranted,
41:22
you know what I mean? And have you seen Don't look up on
41:25
Netflix? No, great movie. I highly recommend just watching. No no,
41:32
No. It's not Jordan Peel, but it has uh oh man as
41:38
uh what's his name? Jonah Hills in it, a few good actors.
41:45
I can't remember. I know Jonah Hills in it. Look it up because
41:49
I'm thinking of a completely different movie. Then Leonardo DiCaprio's in it, you
41:52
know what I was thinking of of. Nope, oh yeah, okay,
41:57
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's Jordan Jordan, but but nah,
42:00
bro, I mean, just to give you a little premise of it.
42:02
Basically, what it is is, you know this astrologist or or she's
42:09
basically the she works in astronomy. She detects this crazy meteor is on the
42:17
way to Earth, and she basically figures this out and tries to go,
42:24
excuse me on tour and tell the president and just like tell everybody about what's
42:29
going on and what's about to happen. And when she's telling everybody about it,
42:36
they have time to do something. But people are so captivated with what's
42:43
the female artist your daughter loves Again. She's in the movie, and people
42:51
are so captivated with Ariana Grande and her love story and what's going on,
42:55
and everybody's making these jokes and comments about it, and nobody's say and it's
43:00
serious because they're so captivated with so many stupid things going on around them.
43:04
And you know, I think that's all I'm gonna give you right now,
43:07
because I don't want to tell you the movie, but basically just to say
43:12
I say all that to say that it's like everybody's opinion and what people say
43:16
now is so they're so focused on that they're not looking at the big picture
43:22
of what's actually happening around it. And it's great, great that you said
43:24
that, because it really, like, like it really drives my point because
43:30
I always feel like people have these strong opinions. Everybody got to say what
43:34
they got to say. You know, every time you go online, you
43:36
see all these things that people are writing. They're trying to get their shit
43:38
off, they're trying to have the smartest thing to say. But at the
43:42
end of the day, we are getting marketed to slash advertise that a certain
43:50
way. For a reason is because as a people, our habits are reflecting
43:55
that this kind of stuff that they're feeding us is working. Right. So
44:00
until everybody really just shuts the fuck up and really locks into what they say
44:07
they're about. Until everybody does that, ain't nothing gonna change, you know
44:12
what I mean. That's why, like I'm always hesitant slash hopeless when it
44:16
comes to like organizing for anything, because it's like, bro, like I
44:22
know that out of one hundred people, ninety of them ain't gonna be worth
44:25
shit. And that's just the way it is. Like there's no way around
44:30
it, bro, Like you could try to say this and that whatever.
44:34
No, you take a sample of one hundred people, Bro, ninety of
44:37
them are always gonna be nothing, you know what I'm saying. Like,
44:39
they're always gonna be the people that are getting marketed to the people that everybody
44:45
says that they quote unquote hate. That's the majority, bro. And we
44:50
fall into that to a certain degree because everybody always, including us, we
44:53
always take our stands with shit, and we always act like we're this and
44:57
that, but we all fall here in there, and we all end up
45:01
part of the statistics. You know what I'm saying, We're all we're all
45:05
in the same group. We're all humans together, bro, and it's like
45:08
it's and I think, like the the persecution of like oh your sin is
45:15
worse than mine is what fucks us up. Yeah, I'm saying we could
45:19
just really all know, like, bro, we all flawed, but let's
45:22
all aim to be better and then everything will get better. Bro. Like
45:24
I always think about this short story I read when I was a kid.
45:29
I think I might have brought it up on the podcast, but I always
45:30
bring it up in life. Like. It was a short story basically like
45:34
talking about you know, in the early two thousands, they always was talking
45:37
about like how we're polluting the planet. That's when global warming. Global warming
45:42
started becoming a big thing. And it was a short story at the time
45:45
where it was like they went to the past. I mean, I'm sorry,
45:50
they went to the future to see how things have gotten And basically the
45:53
gist of the story is Buddy thought he was in the past, but then
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he realized he was in the future. It's just people really realized that they
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needed to go back to like sensibilities, like for example, like he thought
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he was in the past because he started seeing people were lawnmowers that weren't gas
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power. They had the old school ones that was just the blade. He
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was like, dang, I must have went in the past and the future.
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But then he figured out, Nah, I'm in the future. It's
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just people realize, like we need to change the way we are, you
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know what I'm saying. And Bro, like, I feel like, unless
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you know, the world has that kind of moment, you know, ain't
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nothing going to change, you know what I mean? Like, if everybody's
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still on the same stuff, everybody's still worrying about me, me and me,
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ain't not gonna change. Man, facts, big big facts. Bro,
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something dope if you get a chance to check it out. And I'm
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gonna leave the people with this. There is a series that's like four episodes
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on Netflix called Dang of Something of the Faith. Uh, Bro, I
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gotta pull it up real quicker. I just had. It starts with an
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m Mysteries of the Faith Mysteries on Netflix. Yeah, yeah, Mysteries of
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the Faith on Netflix. Bro. They there they talk about certain artifacts that
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have religious religious ties to them slash like very important milestones or just they're tied
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to like very important parts of religious story. And they just talk about how
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that impacts people. They talk about, you know what the lengths that people
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go through to preserve these things. It's a lot of it's a lot like
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as far as like the information goes in, as far as like the angle
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on it, because it's really just a lot of information from every Like for
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example, one of the things they talk about is the crown of Thorns that
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Jesus wore, Like they supposedly have the the actual one, you know,
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somewhere in France, and they just give you the backstory on it. They
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show it, they show like the people that like that, that that fight
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it and say no, that's not the real one. Like they just show
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all different sides of it, and they give like the religious side of it,
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the scientific side. Like it's kind of hard to describe, but it's
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super fire and it just it definitely makes you think, and it's something that
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after what we just talked about, it really like it'll really get your brain
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going as far as like just thinking about those concepts and that because even just
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thinking about like what somebody being able to say, hey, I can go
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and see the crown of thorns that Jesus wore and validate that what I believe
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is real and just give them that feeling and that spark to keep going,
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you know what I'm saying, Like, just like if you ain't get a
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chance to watch that, if not, I'm just gonna kind of like go
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back and like catch all the main points so we can talk about it,
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because it's super fascinating. Bro Dope, I'm checking out. I've never seen
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it. Yeah, I think it's kind of new on Netflix. But yeah,
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man, you got any joints that you're dropping, anything that people gotta
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tap in with. Yeah, Man, this Friday that came along way,
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joint is dropping and actually you mixed it. You mixed the master that which
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is dope. Let's go. Yeah, I've been hiking for that one.
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I actually showed that to my son and my brother when we were skateboarding the
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other day and they liked it a lot too. I was super proud of
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that record, just to be involved, and I like what you did with
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it, so it was dope here and that they liked it too, you
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know what I mean. Yeah, for sure, I'm super excited about that
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one. Just shot some content with Freddie over the weekend, so yeah,
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man, I'm excited to kind of roll that one out and uh, actually
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looking like I got a little collab joint. I'm not gonna say too much
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about it till it's ironed out, but I got a nice little collab joint
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to drop towards the end of the month and then hopefully kind of wrap up
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some things for a potential project at the half of the year of my nice
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man. Yeah, I've been getting all my ducks in a row. I've
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been slacking. Just have a lot of stuff going on, like real life,
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you know what I mean. But I'm getting ready for that bounce back.
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And either way, you don't mistake but stop not a stop, not
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a stop, not stop, not not a not day after a thing ever
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seen at a