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UK Column ‘On Location’ in Cheltenham: Alex Thomson · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Why I cursed the deep State? A delightful topic for
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Speaker 1: the last speech before lunch on and beautiful April Saturday,
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Speaker 1: here in the Golden Valley. Why am I reading from
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Speaker 1: a computer screen. We're supposed to believe in cash and
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Speaker 1: paper and things like that. Well, I did actually email
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Speaker 1: my speaking notes to the front desk of this very
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Speaker 1: helpful hotel this morning, only to be told when they
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Speaker 1: tried to retrieve it appears to have triggered the content policy.
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Speaker 1: So excellent for an emigre like me to be back
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Speaker 1: here to see Middle England and the Cotswolds in all
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Speaker 1: her vernal splendor, by the rising sun, the view out
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Speaker 1: over the valley. Having a pint yesterday with the old
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Speaker 1: boys at the Conservative working Men's Club. Yes there is
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Speaker 1: one over at Winchcombe. Last night I even had dinner
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Speaker 1: with a viewer who is a wonderful polymath and an
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Speaker 1: old Wickarmist. And if you think I said Wickanist, then
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Speaker 1: you're clearly not one of the old boys. The deep state?
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Speaker 1: What is it? The term actually comes from Turkish usage.
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Speaker 1: We have someone with us who's lived in Turkey for
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Speaker 1: quite some time now, and she will attest Catherine that
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Speaker 1: The phrase daren devlet the deep state has been used
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Speaker 1: for decades out there and in certain Arab countries like
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Speaker 1: Egypt and Lebanon, and it's common parlance there, and it
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Speaker 1: means the guys who stop the will of the people
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Speaker 1: from going too far, daring devlet. In Turkey, the deep
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Speaker 1: state is that beast which in urges from time to
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Speaker 1: time to decapitate any regime that doesn't do the bidding
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Speaker 1: of NATO. That's one analysis. Anyway, for a long time
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Speaker 1: we were told we didn't have one in our Anglo
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Speaker 1: Saxon paradise. Things started to change a decade ago. From
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Speaker 1: an American perspective, Mike Lofgren, a former congressional staffer, wrote
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Speaker 1: in a twenty fourteen essay called Anatomy of the Deep
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Speaker 1: State quote, the deep state does not only consist of
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Speaker 1: government agencies. What euphimistically called private enterprise is an integral
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Speaker 1: part of its operations. In a special series, Dana Priest
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Speaker 1: and William Arkin described the scope of the privatized deep
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Speaker 1: state and the degree to which it has metastasized. After
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Speaker 1: September the eleventh, there are now this is a decade ago,
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Speaker 1: eight hundred and fifty four thousand contract personnel in the
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Speaker 1: US with top secret clearances, a number greater than that
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Speaker 1: of top secret cleared civilian employees of the government. And
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Speaker 1: this is true of the individual agencies. There are more
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Speaker 1: contractors than staff at NSA at top secret clearance. Same
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Speaker 1: in my understanding at GHQ. Lofgrenn continues while they work
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Speaker 1: throughout the country and the world, their heavy concentration in
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Speaker 1: and around the Washington suburbs is unmistakable. And then he
3:19
Speaker 1: talks about They talk about one particular contractor BAH made
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Speaker 1: famous by Edward Snowden bors Alan Hamilton. That company is
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Speaker 1: ninety nine percent dependent on government business. If the matter
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Speaker 1: came before a fair court, this will be seen as
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Speaker 1: an obvious extension of the government, but just as private business.
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Speaker 1: Why do I start with that rather than donut details. Well,
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Speaker 1: that's the point, isn't it. The deep state is people
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Speaker 1: who at one level, who have access to what we're doing,
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Speaker 1: who are not actually on their oath. But there's more
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Speaker 1: to it than that. I wouldn't want to make it
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Speaker 1: my central point, but a good point of reference is
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Speaker 1: that in the British system, where we're all such good
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Speaker 1: chaps and chap ses, when you join and I'm sure
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Speaker 1: it hasn't changed since my time a quarter of a
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Speaker 1: century ago. You go for your first day as the
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Speaker 1: new boy or girl, you get to sign a document
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Speaker 1: which has says top secret on it. That's very exciting
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Speaker 1: to see that the first time, and it says Official
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Speaker 1: Secrets Act. It will have changed since the National Security Act,
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Speaker 1: but mine within within the scope of the Official Secrets
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Speaker 1: Act nineteen eighty nine. And you don't swear any oath
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Speaker 1: will make any affirmation. Over on the continent the regimes
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Speaker 1: that we like to look down on, most of the
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Speaker 1: people who educate your children and make sure your bins
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Speaker 1: are taken away have sworn an oath to their constitution.
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Speaker 1: In Britain, the people who do what Brian has just
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Speaker 1: been describing do not swear any oath or have any
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Speaker 1: formal training in the constitution or the rule of law.
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Speaker 1: One data point worth mentioning there, and in fact Brian
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Speaker 1: ended with the question how could the who who are
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Speaker 1: the agencies working for? Well, common parlance within the agencies
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Speaker 1: and it is shorthand it's not meant to be allusioned
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Speaker 1: to a particular organization, is that we are serving uk PLC,
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Speaker 1: the public front of the government, and you'll see as
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Speaker 1: my talk goes on, perhaps how that blends into other businesses.
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Speaker 1: There is not even the pretense inside the Doughnut and
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Speaker 1: equivalent agencies that we are working directly four statutes, much
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Speaker 1: less the Constitution. You're working to legalities what they call
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Speaker 1: it's priorities set two or three levels of remove away.
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Speaker 1: In the US model, it's set by executive ordinances, which
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Speaker 1: is fiat rule by the the president, and then that's
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Speaker 1: interpreted internally by the agencies. We move forward to twenty sixteen.
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Speaker 1: According to Sarah Williams of Facebook or Meta, in her
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Speaker 1: very recent alleged expose a called Careless People, Zuckerberg sent
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Speaker 1: her a memo in twenty sixteen in which he perhaps
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Speaker 1: embodied the inco at supranationalism of the new technological blobs.
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Speaker 1: And it's interesting to read him because at least his
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Speaker 1: public persona is a frat boy who didn't care about
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Speaker 1: government until he suddenly became a squillionaire, and so he
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Speaker 1: sent Sarah will Williams his internal diplomat this memo. I'd
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Speaker 1: like I'd like to learn more about how the UN
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Speaker 1: and the different international governance institutions came into existence, What
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Speaker 1: power and leavers do they have to get things done?
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Speaker 1: What are their limitations and are they intentional? Or are
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Speaker 1: the UN and others being marginalized? Why are they set
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Speaker 1: up as a federation of nations? Why not a democratically
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Speaker 1: elected international body? He goes on. Mark Zuckerberg says, I'm
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Speaker 1: specifically interested in why no one is arguing for a
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Speaker 1: significantly stronger international government or system. That is, today's system
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Speaker 1: seems relatively weak, says Zuckerberg. It has a small budget
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Speaker 1: here it comes he deplaues that it is beholden to
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Speaker 1: nations held back by constitutions as opposed to being elected
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Speaker 1: or controlled directly by people globally. Would that be the
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Speaker 1: tech bosses like him today? Says Zuckerberg. It seems there
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Speaker 1: are two primary proposals for how large countries want to
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Speaker 1: interact with the international system, continue as is or increasing isolationism.
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Speaker 1: You should know that isolationism means following your constitution and
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Speaker 1: staying out of foreign entanglements. I'm curious, says Zuckerberg, why
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Speaker 1: there isn't a third serious option of strengthening this system further.
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Speaker 1: That would be the system Brian and Raja have described
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Speaker 1: and I would not want to know what would be
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Speaker 1: required to make that happen. So there we get a glimpse,
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Speaker 1: if taken at base value, of a deep state coming
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Speaker 1: out of the shadows. Who remembers Francis Fukuyama, The End
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Speaker 1: of History nineteen ninety one. Well, histories come back. Even
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Speaker 1: Fukuyamo admits it. In a twenty twenty three academic article
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Speaker 1: called in Defense of the Deep State written in the
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Speaker 1: Asia Pacific Journal of Public Administration. He said in the
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Speaker 1: abstracts that modern government cannot function without a high degree
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Speaker 1: of delegation to bureaucratic agents. As such, the deep state
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Speaker 1: need to be defended and not vilified. Well, I think
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Speaker 1: Fukuyama knows what he's talking about, and my conclusion is
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Speaker 1: if modern governments can't function without a deep state, then
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Speaker 1: sold modern government. The New York Times in twenty twenty
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Speaker 1: four actually brought this out with a slap in your
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Speaker 1: face article, well, a puff piece covering a video entitled
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Speaker 1: it turns out that the Deep State is actually kind
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Speaker 1: of awesome, with a blurb paragraph which said, when we
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Speaker 1: hear deep state, instead of recoiling, we should rally, We
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Speaker 1: should think about the workers. Otherwise, known as our public servants.
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Speaker 1: Our the workers otherwise known as our public servants, the
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Speaker 1: everyday superheroes who wake up ready to dedicate their careers
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Speaker 1: and their lives to serving us. He's are the Americans
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Speaker 1: we employed. Even though their work is often invisible, it
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Speaker 1: makes our lives better. How did I get into this mess? Well,
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Speaker 1: I have my mother to thank. Actually, I came back
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Speaker 1: from the former Soviet Republic of Georgia with a couple
9:17
Speaker 1: of rare languages, and my mother said, what would you
9:21
Speaker 1: like to do with those languages? And I said, I
9:23
Speaker 1: haven't worked out yet, Mum, And she said, well, GHQ's advertising,
9:27
Speaker 1: and being of her generation and a very respectable type,
9:31
Speaker 1: she sometimes would say ironically, but she would admit my
9:34
Speaker 1: country right or wrong. She knew that there were problems afoot,
9:36
Speaker 1: but she said, well, probably the best thing you can
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Speaker 1: do is serve the country, as she thought in this capacity.
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Speaker 1: So I replied to the adverts, took a language exam
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Speaker 1: and so on, and I'm now free to tell you all. Actually,
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Speaker 1: because my mother passed away at the end of last year,
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Speaker 1: and there are certain details that I wouldn't have been
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Speaker 1: able to say. She wouldn't have allowed me or liked
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Speaker 1: me to while she was alive. So I joined principally
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Speaker 1: because the country of my particular expertise, Georgia, was seeing
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Speaker 1: heavy persecution of a number of religious and political groups
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Speaker 1: at the time, and being a Christian myself, I wanted
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Speaker 1: particularly to assist persecuted Christians. But you know, I found
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Speaker 1: that that was absolutely not the order of the day.
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Speaker 1: In fact, the third year after I joined, I saw
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Speaker 1: Jack Straw launching the Foreign Office's inaugural Annual Report on
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Speaker 1: Human Rights. They were specifically trying to copy what the
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Speaker 1: US State Department did, and there was a section thereabouts Georgia,
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Speaker 1: which I turned to immediately as these things were put
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Speaker 1: on the launching at the table at the launch event,
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Speaker 1: and I found that the rubric there was a year
10:43
Speaker 1: out of date. It was about a bunch of persecutors
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Speaker 1: who went round to disrupting churches, and the guy in
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Speaker 1: question leading the outfit had already been put in jail
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Speaker 1: by Georgia, so nobody had updated this stuff for a
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Speaker 1: whole year. What's work at GHQ like, Well, let me
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Speaker 1: just give you a glimpse of each year that I
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Speaker 1: was there in the first decade of this new millennium
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Speaker 1: of ours. It starts with vetting. In two thousand and one,
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Speaker 1: the vetting officer spent a whole afternoon with me, saying well,
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Speaker 1: asking a number of things such as are you comfortable?
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Speaker 1: I understand now that all people of strong principles get
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Speaker 1: this at their vetting, not just Christians. Another Christian girl
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Speaker 1: was asked, how would you reassure us that you would
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Speaker 1: break your conscience when you were told to. I got
11:29
Speaker 1: a slightly more subtle question or two, but I did say, well,
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Speaker 1: I have a couple of red lines. I won't work
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Speaker 1: for a king Charles, and at that time you might
11:38
Speaker 1: recall Tony Blair was very keen to introduce the euro
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Speaker 1: to Britain as well, because he wanted to be President
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Speaker 1: of Europe. So I said, my second red line is
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Speaker 1: I won't be working for the government if we lose
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Speaker 1: the pound, because a crown that can't pay us in
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Speaker 1: crown currency isn't a sovereign. But the vetting officer said,
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Speaker 1: never heard that one before. They also went to my friends.
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Speaker 1: They asked one of them whether I had an unhealthy
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Speaker 1: interest in children, maintaining the pretense that we don't want
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Speaker 1: anyone who's given to that kind of thing inside the club.
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Speaker 1: They were the only department, perhaps still are that didn't
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Speaker 1: use the psychometric or psychographic exams of the General Civil Service,
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Speaker 1: which asks because I sat that as well and failed it, hallelujah.
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Speaker 1: They asked in a couple of hundred questions basically the
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Speaker 1: same four or five things over and over again with
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Speaker 1: different wordings, and it comes down to what my friend
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Speaker 1: Alice was asked in by the vetting officer, would you
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Speaker 1: break your conscience to do as you're told? I did
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Speaker 1: find a biblical defense to this skeptical vetting officer that
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Speaker 1: actually committed Christians. Could they at that stage serve the nation?
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Speaker 1: In fact I didn't know it at the time, but
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Speaker 1: it's also the motto of Mossad. Unfortunately, but Proverbs twenty four,
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Speaker 1: verse six talks about the need for wisdom in international
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Speaker 1: affairs by wise counsel thou shalt make thy war, and
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Speaker 1: in multitude of counselors there is safety. And to my
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Speaker 1: first trip to Langley to see how the Americans did
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Speaker 1: things quite interesting to see the red faces and shuffling
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Speaker 1: feet of the Foreign Office and SIS seniors. When one
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Speaker 1: of the CIA guys covering the former Soviet Union because
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Speaker 1: it was an experts meeting of the two sides who
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Speaker 1: covered that part of the world. When he said, why
13:20
Speaker 1: are you guys the Brits allowing in so many Russian
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Speaker 1: oligarchs and not checking their money? There must be half
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Speaker 1: a trillion dollars worth My calculations of money coming into
13:29
Speaker 1: your country I've since done from Brian. It went into
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Speaker 1: our political system as well, which you haven't really scrutinized.
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Speaker 1: Shuffle shuffle. Also, that's the year when a guy very
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Speaker 1: eager for promotion of my age came bounding up to
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Speaker 1: the desk saying, we're very keen to find any links
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Speaker 1: between nine to eleven and Saddam, because you know what's
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Speaker 1: going to happen soon, don't you. You'll be hearing more
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Speaker 1: about that from Catherine. It's also the year when the
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Speaker 1: designs for the doughnuts were unveiled, because at that stage
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Speaker 1: we were still now of post war boxes on the
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Speaker 1: other side of Town Oakley, most of us, and the
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Speaker 1: design that was the artist's rendition that was given to
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Speaker 1: us included a flagpole flying the EU flag. And back
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Speaker 1: then we had staff newsgroups which allowed us to express
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Speaker 1: our opinions within some moderation, and one of the old
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Speaker 1: hands there wrote, if it's reached that stage that we
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Speaker 1: walk into an office every day that has the EU
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Speaker 1: flag instead of the British flag outside it, we might
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Speaker 1: as well pack up and go home. Now you were
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Speaker 1: hearing about the revolutionary change. So most of those guys,
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Speaker 1: especially the old hands from Jay Division who covered the
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Speaker 1: Soviet Union, were packed off with early retirement while I
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Speaker 1: was still in service in the two thousands and one
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Speaker 1: of the two names that Brian put on screen common
14:44
Speaker 1: purpose GHQ graduates was that's Alistair. Proven was actually the
14:52
Speaker 1: guy who monitored the newsgroups and stamped on anything that
14:56
Speaker 1: wasn't politically correct enough for his liking. So there is
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Speaker 1: a link there with what Ryan said. I got a
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Speaker 1: slap on the wrist as well for saying I wouldn't
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Speaker 1: put up with that on the newsgroup. I was told
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Speaker 1: i'd express a political opinion. But in the end the
15:10
Speaker 1: personnel people did say, okay, we give in. There will
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Speaker 1: be no European Umian flag on the new building. That
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Speaker 1: doughnut two thousand and three, well, that is the year
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Speaker 1: of Catherine Gunn's spectacular rise to public awareness, so I
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Speaker 1: will leave that to her, but I will say this
15:28
Speaker 1: you will no doubt be hearing from her later and
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Speaker 1: I'm sure it's correct as well. What was told to
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Speaker 1: her that her legal team had the understanding that she
15:38
Speaker 1: was having the charges against her dropped by the Crown
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Speaker 1: Prosecution Service because or the government behind the Crown Prosecution
15:45
Speaker 1: Service didn't want the Attorney General's legal advice and particularly
15:48
Speaker 1: it's changed to come to public notice. Equally true, I
15:53
Speaker 1: think there's no conflict between them. It's what we were
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Speaker 1: told internally after she was kicked out, which is that
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Speaker 1: the Crown Prosecution Service thought there was no realistic prospect
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Speaker 1: of a jury convicting Catherine. You see why we campaign
16:07
Speaker 1: so much for a retention of jury rights. The National
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Speaker 1: Security Act, and this is the deep State in re
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Speaker 1: election now has allegedly removed the public interest defense for whistleblowers.
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Speaker 1: There remains, in common law and international law the defense
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Speaker 1: of necessity that cannot be quashed, but it still requires
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Speaker 1: a jury with gumption. It's also the year of the
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Speaker 1: Rose Revolution in Georgia, the country which I particularly covered,
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Speaker 1: and we failed to see any of it coming. I'm
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Speaker 1: not ashamed to say that was the first time when
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Speaker 1: I thought, how can something so big happen in the
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Speaker 1: country of my responsibility and I didn't see any inkling
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Speaker 1: of it. Well later I think I worked out it's
16:45
Speaker 1: because Western and particularly City of London institutions were behind it,
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Speaker 1: and that they don't tend to be picked up by
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Speaker 1: the security services. Two thousand and four we move into
16:55
Speaker 1: the doughnut you've heard from Brian about public private partnerships.
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Speaker 1: It tended to be called back then private finance initiatives.
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Speaker 1: Who remembers John Prescott, Deputy Prime Minister of the day
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Speaker 1: two jags recently no longer with us, but he elegantly
17:11
Speaker 1: admitted in his own way that we didn't have the
17:13
Speaker 1: money to build that faculty, which is why Karellian a
17:17
Speaker 1: conglomerate of people, some of whom have since gone to prison.
17:20
Speaker 1: I can see some nodding heads you know about that
17:22
Speaker 1: were called in to build the thing. Thirty years is
17:26
Speaker 1: the period from over which the government rents it, so
17:29
Speaker 1: we're not fat that far away now from twenty thirty four,
17:33
Speaker 1: when apparently finally the government will own that building. As
17:36
Speaker 1: of now, it's not owned by the government, it's rented.
17:39
Speaker 1: We couldn't put up any maps or posters on the walls,
17:43
Speaker 1: and one day a foot came off my keyboard and
17:47
Speaker 1: I soon discovered that keyboard was not Her Magesty's government
17:50
Speaker 1: property because I called the help vine and they told
17:53
Speaker 1: me we have an agreement in place with the government.
17:55
Speaker 1: They were not the government, so they didn't think of
17:57
Speaker 1: themselves as we we have an agreement with you then
18:00
Speaker 1: that we will not replace your keyboard where there has
18:02
Speaker 1: been user abuse. So the keyboard wasn't ours. What about
18:07
Speaker 1: what was typed on it? I don't know. Sir Francis Richards,
18:12
Speaker 1: the first director of GCCHQ of my time, should have
18:15
Speaker 1: overseen the move to the doughnut because he promised in
18:18
Speaker 1: a now famous staff communicate, famous internally, that it was
18:22
Speaker 1: the director's problem, not the staff's problem, to make sure
18:24
Speaker 1: that you could get to work and park your car.
18:27
Speaker 1: But of course, under an early form of green policy,
18:29
Speaker 1: they deliberately underbuilt the car park, so there was endless
18:33
Speaker 1: problems getting to the office. But by that stage Sir Francis,
18:37
Speaker 1: an ambitious man, had already scarfered to become Governor of
18:40
Speaker 1: Gibraltar around that time as well, just before he left,
18:44
Speaker 1: we had the first GCHQ Diversity Day. This was pure
18:48
Speaker 1: common purpose, a bunch of colored balloons up. It was
18:51
Speaker 1: the first time GCHQ hired the town's hall in the
18:54
Speaker 1: town center here to have an event. And I remember
18:58
Speaker 1: the confusion. Deliberate, I think the babbling going on the
19:02
Speaker 1: Director of HQ being interrupted by people yelling, you know,
19:05
Speaker 1: or rather people yelling at those questions asking him questions.
19:08
Speaker 1: Don't call him director, call him Francis, you know, deliberate informality.
19:15
Speaker 1: Then there was the Royal Visits two thousand and five,
19:18
Speaker 1: interesting moment because Prince Philip collared somebody fairly senior and said,
19:24
Speaker 1: why don't you coves monitor the poachers of wildlife? I'm
19:28
Speaker 1: patron of the world Wildlife fun, don't you know? And
19:31
Speaker 1: he got the very correct and quite telling answer, Well,
19:33
Speaker 1: you would have to lobby the Joint Intelligence Committee for that,
19:37
Speaker 1: your Royal Highness, because we don't do what we want
19:39
Speaker 1: we set we follow JICK priorities. You've had a lot
19:42
Speaker 1: about the law, but when you actually set up your
19:45
Speaker 1: targeting what you have to justify it by The codes
19:48
Speaker 1: and the numbers refer not to law, either constitution or legislation,
19:52
Speaker 1: nor even to parliamentary stuff. They refer to the Joint
19:55
Speaker 1: Intelligence Committee priorities for the year, so they actually in
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Speaker 1: the end the deep state that the bosses set their
20:02
Speaker 1: own priorities with reference to law, but it's very indirect.
20:07
Speaker 1: It was also the year when the doughnut got scaled
20:10
Speaker 1: by Fathers for Justice campaign has perhaps more of that anon,
20:14
Speaker 1: because we hear about we've heard from Brian already about
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Speaker 1: the theft of children and the desperate situations that resulted.
20:22
Speaker 1: And I remember already then that the attitude was not
20:26
Speaker 1: these people don't have a case, but we should look
20:28
Speaker 1: away and pretend this isn't happening. It's a bit embarrassing.
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Speaker 1: Then in two thousand and six renewed tensions with Russia.
20:37
Speaker 1: But also I remember that's the year when a young
20:40
Speaker 1: man ran up to me a bit like that Guten
20:42
Speaker 1: from two thousand and two, but a different one, and said,
20:45
Speaker 1: I'm very keen to see the progress of this new
20:48
Speaker 1: outfit we have called jatrig Again. That's well known now
20:51
Speaker 1: because of Edward Snowden, because they're being very brave and
20:54
Speaker 1: they're doing things that are unlawful at the moment, but
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Speaker 1: they will retrospectively be legalized, and these will be shaped
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Speaker 1: the public environment, shaping the public consciousness. It's also the
21:04
Speaker 1: year when some counter terrorist guys who worked on the
21:08
Speaker 1: same desk as me came back. All were poker hoop
21:12
Speaker 1: from a visit to Israel, which they referred to by
21:14
Speaker 1: the codename. We weren't allowed to say Israel even internally
21:16
Speaker 1: among top secret cleared people then, and you've heard within
21:19
Speaker 1: three or four years thanks to common purpose pulling strings,
21:22
Speaker 1: Francis more than number two in government at that time,
21:24
Speaker 1: was boasting of our links with Israel. But it was
21:29
Speaker 1: slightly taking shape in my mind that things were not
21:32
Speaker 1: as they seemed. Also, that's the year when Craig Murray
21:35
Speaker 1: sent his famous telegrams from Uzbekistan that HMG was complicit
21:40
Speaker 1: in torture, and I remember seeing the back and forth
21:43
Speaker 1: between him and Billman and Peter Ricketts, where the tenor
21:49
Speaker 1: was not your wrong, but shut up, this isn't your business.
21:54
Speaker 1: More of a social excursus. Actually. The next year was
21:56
Speaker 1: the Great Floods of two thousand and seven and we
21:59
Speaker 1: were without mains water in Gloucestershire for a month. And
22:02
Speaker 1: I mentioned that because just up the road there beyond
22:04
Speaker 1: the doughnuts, is coronation Square where some of the youths.
22:09
Speaker 1: I think there is the terminology now, and I'm not
22:11
Speaker 1: being racialized here. These were white young people. For those
22:14
Speaker 1: who might think I'm going in that direction, put bleach
22:18
Speaker 1: in the bowsers which were people's only source of drinking
22:20
Speaker 1: water at the time. And I remember thinking at the time,
22:23
Speaker 1: you know, if this is happening on GCHQ's doorstep. I'm
22:26
Speaker 1: not suggesting we were better than other people, far from it.
22:28
Speaker 1: But if there's that much collapse in lawfulness, and if
22:31
Speaker 1: these young people get off with it scott free, what
22:34
Speaker 1: is the point of having a multi billion pounds intelligence agency.
22:38
Speaker 1: You know, it's also the year when the only genuine
22:43
Speaker 1: so called self radicalized young Pakistani in Britain came across
22:48
Speaker 1: my radar one for once. You'll probably be hearing about
22:52
Speaker 1: this from Patrick this afternoon, who wasn't a known wolf.
22:54
Speaker 1: He hadn't been put up to it by someone in
22:56
Speaker 1: MI five or some allied agency, but he genuinely had
23:00
Speaker 1: watched stuff online and thought, right, I have to go
23:02
Speaker 1: and blow up the Kafirs. What happens? His Punjabi granny
23:05
Speaker 1: locked him in the bedroom for the weekend until his
23:08
Speaker 1: head cooled down. A bit, and that was my first
23:11
Speaker 1: indication that we had few and far between of these
23:14
Speaker 1: actual cases, and usually their own people would deal with them.
23:19
Speaker 1: Throughout all of these times this decade, what were the
23:23
Speaker 1: foreign secretaries doing well? There was Robin Cook, who pointedly
23:27
Speaker 1: never came to GCCHQ. He did make a visit to Cheltenham,
23:31
Speaker 1: but only for a flutter on the horses because the
23:33
Speaker 1: racecourse is up at the north end of town. My
23:37
Speaker 1: office Junior actually went up to him at the racecourse
23:40
Speaker 1: and said, have you've got a tip for me, mister Cook,
23:42
Speaker 1: because you're not coming to GCHQ, so I can probably
23:44
Speaker 1: at least ask you for a racing tip. That's how
23:47
Speaker 1: uninterested he was in what was going on. Then there
23:50
Speaker 1: was Grandulicant Jack Straw, apparently a good foreign secretary, but
23:55
Speaker 1: some of you will recall that he also made it
23:57
Speaker 1: illegal for those who'd been in care of used there
24:00
Speaker 1: to talk about it, and then he later denied it.
24:02
Speaker 1: But there's a recording of a cabby with him that
24:05
Speaker 1: more or less admits that he was also the Foreign
24:09
Speaker 1: secretary that saw Craig Murray escorted out of a hustings
24:13
Speaker 1: in his constituency of Blackburn. Although he was a candidate
24:17
Speaker 1: for the parliamentary seat, and it was the Church of
24:19
Speaker 1: England that was complicit in that. That said, we only
24:21
Speaker 1: want the respectable parties to take part in these hustings,
24:24
Speaker 1: because this is a private venue, not a public want. Finally,
24:27
Speaker 1: there was the Foreign Secretary. Margaret Beckett in my day
24:31
Speaker 1: wouldn't actually make eye contact with you. She would talk
24:34
Speaker 1: and make notes like this and just pretend you were
24:38
Speaker 1: a piece of dirt. So what was the capstone of
24:44
Speaker 1: foreign policy? Throughout all this time? Chatham House touts itself
24:48
Speaker 1: as the Foreign Office think tank, and a few occasions
24:51
Speaker 1: I went down into the depressing basement where they hold
24:54
Speaker 1: their lectures there on Saint James's Square, and one occasion
24:57
Speaker 1: in particular, there was me, I have to say, the
25:00
Speaker 1: acknowledged expert of the whole five eyes on the country
25:04
Speaker 1: of Georgia, and the only guy who actually spoke Georgian
25:06
Speaker 1: and had lived there, having drinks with Sir Brian full
25:09
Speaker 1: the recently appointed Special Envoy of the British Prime Minister
25:13
Speaker 1: for the region the South Caucasus. And I remember him
25:16
Speaker 1: looking at me and you know, as if I was
25:18
Speaker 1: something that cat had dragged in, and you know, why
25:20
Speaker 1: don't you stop trying to engage me in conversation so
25:23
Speaker 1: I can start resume my conversation with these arms manufacturers.
25:27
Speaker 1: It's really that brought it home to me what was
25:30
Speaker 1: going on. And the whole period really was bookended legally,
25:35
Speaker 1: that whole decade. A few months before I joined, So
25:37
Speaker 1: in two thousand we had the Human Rights Act coming
25:40
Speaker 1: in which sets the entire priority framework for the Joint
25:45
Speaker 1: Telience Committee. You might want to ask about that in
25:47
Speaker 1: question time later in the day. And then months after
25:51
Speaker 1: I left, you got the Equality Act twenty ten, otherwise
25:54
Speaker 1: known as Socialism in one clause with the public services
25:58
Speaker 1: so called equality to misgivings that I had along the
26:03
Speaker 1: way a nice day, a bit like this, probably in
26:08
Speaker 1: spring one year that I was at GCHQ. I took
26:11
Speaker 1: a seat on the bench in Sandford Park in the
26:14
Speaker 1: heart of town, and a distraught man smelling of booze
26:17
Speaker 1: came and sat at the other end of the bench
26:18
Speaker 1: from me. And you know, I've tried to be friendly
26:22
Speaker 1: to him. The first thing he said, why aren't you
26:23
Speaker 1: telling me to f off like everyone else does? And
26:26
Speaker 1: you know, being an elder of the church and all
26:28
Speaker 1: I decided I would share some comfort with him and
26:31
Speaker 1: got to the point of saying that God loved him
26:33
Speaker 1: as well, and the heartbreak came out. He said, you know,
26:36
Speaker 1: if God had for good knew what I knew and
26:40
Speaker 1: of what I've seen, he would be heartbreaking and broken
26:43
Speaker 1: and die too, because the man had not been allowed
26:45
Speaker 1: to see his children for years and was being hounded
26:47
Speaker 1: for child supports. You know, and this is something I
26:50
Speaker 1: hadn't come across before. But the links to the deep
26:53
Speaker 1: state are quite expressed. You know. You might think this
26:56
Speaker 1: is a strange turn for me to take at the end,
26:57
Speaker 1: in the middle of the talk, but I would particul
27:00
Speaker 1: kularly recommend two authors on this if you want to
27:02
Speaker 1: understand what the deep state is. It's not just cloak
27:04
Speaker 1: and dagger stuff abroad. It's practiced on our own people
27:07
Speaker 1: at home. And it started with should we say we're
27:10
Speaker 1: supposed to think of as the disreputable types, the ethno
27:13
Speaker 1: nationalists like Patriotic Alternative, the so called deadbeat dads who
27:17
Speaker 1: allegedly wilfully refused to pay child support to their pure
27:21
Speaker 1: as the driven snow exes. And the authors that I
27:25
Speaker 1: particularly recommend because they've become excellent analysts of the deep
27:28
Speaker 1: state in all of its nastiness. Are Stephen Baskerville, a
27:32
Speaker 1: Canadian I believe, writing mainly about the US, and John
27:35
Speaker 1: Waters in Ireland. They both had personal experience them selves
27:40
Speaker 1: with that. And John Waters, you might know, had a
27:42
Speaker 1: love child with Sheneade O'Connor, and that's what, in the
27:45
Speaker 1: parlance of the deep state, radicalized him into the fine
27:47
Speaker 1: analyst he is today. Stephen Baskerville's blog How They invented
27:52
Speaker 1: the Deep State while no one was looking, says the
27:55
Speaker 1: methods they pioneered to shake down legally innocent fathers and
27:59
Speaker 1: even non fathers, and to loot everything they have using
28:02
Speaker 1: their children as hostages are now being expanded throughout the
28:06
Speaker 1: government machinery against other law abiding citizens. If you want
28:10
Speaker 1: to limpse the future, this is it then. His twenty
28:13
Speaker 1: twenty three blog called the Origins of the Deep State,
28:16
Speaker 1: it's on substack if you want to find it. He says.
28:18
Speaker 1: The prototype of the deep state and what provided tools
28:22
Speaker 1: for the current Coupdittar is the gargantuan welfare state. The
28:25
Speaker 1: most radical innovation in the basic role of the state
28:28
Speaker 1: in all of modern Western history. This is Eric Pickles's revolution,
28:31
Speaker 1: and it was a supposedly conservative revolution. You see nothing
28:34
Speaker 1: party political about this. Stephen Baskerville adds, the welfare Apparat
28:38
Speaker 1: is a vast governmental underworld that most people find too
28:41
Speaker 1: dreary to notice. That's what U pick on them does.
28:44
Speaker 1: In one sense, we notice the things that are too
28:46
Speaker 1: dreary for most people to keep their eye on. And
28:49
Speaker 1: he says it's apparat. Chicks devour vast resources managing other
28:53
Speaker 1: people's lives and especially their children. Depressing as this underworld is,
28:56
Speaker 1: we pay a price for ignoring it. Brian asked the
29:00
Speaker 1: pointed question, did the security services know about the child abuse? Well,
29:04
Speaker 1: it would be interesting if I could stand here and
29:06
Speaker 1: say that I never ever encountered any Security service interest
29:10
Speaker 1: in child abuse. That would be not quite accurate. I
29:13
Speaker 1: did find one instance, but I think it's even more
29:16
Speaker 1: telling than zero, because it was when I was making
29:19
Speaker 1: a visit to the site in Scarborough. You know that
29:21
Speaker 1: GHQ has a site there. One of the missions of
29:24
Speaker 1: that site is defensive monitoring, which is making sure that
29:26
Speaker 1: our deployed troops are not blowing the gaff on operations
29:30
Speaker 1: while calling home on their phones and radios from abroad.
29:34
Speaker 1: And part of that work in a closed section that
29:37
Speaker 1: I was shown, involved a lady transcribing calls by squaddies
29:43
Speaker 1: who were discussing using their own or other children for
29:46
Speaker 1: fun and amusement. And it was obviously very nasty work.
29:50
Speaker 1: But in hindsight, I thought, how very telling. GCCHQ does
29:54
Speaker 1: get involved, but only when it's keeping those nasty PLBs
29:57
Speaker 1: inside the service in check. In this case, not GCSQ
30:01
Speaker 1: officers but soldiers, same mission, never looking at politicians or
30:06
Speaker 1: judges or anyone else abusing their children, but only those
30:09
Speaker 1: nutty little underlings that we have to tolerate to undertake
30:13
Speaker 1: the mission. There's a review of Stephen Baskerville's recent book
30:17
Speaker 1: Who Lost America by Alan Franson, and again this isn't
30:19
Speaker 1: too America specific. Listen to this paragraph from the review.
30:24
Speaker 1: The book makes its case in seven parts. Well, the
30:27
Speaker 1: seventh is the remedy, so of I'll read six. The
30:29
Speaker 1: first describes what he calls the Iron Law of Washington,
30:33
Speaker 1: which ensures that every progressive social measure increases the problem
30:36
Speaker 1: it's set out to solve. The second explains how the
30:39
Speaker 1: welfare state created the deep state. Criminalizing the population is
30:44
Speaker 1: the focus of the third. Section failure to counteract the
30:47
Speaker 1: drift of universities and colleges to the left. That's, of course,
30:50
Speaker 1: not the classic left, is the topic of the fourth
30:53
Speaker 1: The fifth section takes up the surprising connections that Baskerville
30:56
Speaker 1: finds which link NATO nuclear war the military feminism, again
31:01
Speaker 1: not classic feminism, but reinvented. The sixth chapter describes the
31:05
Speaker 1: emasculation of America, with a focus on professions now dominated
31:09
Speaker 1: by women and the ways in which women's power is
31:11
Speaker 1: used to trivialize and sideline men. This has become a
31:14
Speaker 1: specialism of Ben Rubin's reporting, and I may or may
31:17
Speaker 1: not have handed him over breakfast a clandestine copy of
31:20
Speaker 1: a very naughty book by John Knox called The Monstrous
31:22
Speaker 1: Regiment of Women. But there's a serious point there, of course,
31:26
Speaker 1: which is that the emasculation of men from their roles
31:29
Speaker 1: ends up with the deep state, transparently using that film adolescence.
31:34
Speaker 1: This week, you know, policy by script writing. So there's
31:37
Speaker 1: much more of this. Some of you will have found
31:39
Speaker 1: this yawnsome and distasteful, perhaps, and will have wished that
31:42
Speaker 1: I gave you more of a spinning of the beans
31:44
Speaker 1: on internal stuff. But I'm afraid I have to repeat
31:47
Speaker 1: what was trialed on the friendless and those devoid of allies,
31:53
Speaker 1: whether so called deadbeat dads or those supposedly nasty Ethno
31:57
Speaker 1: nationalist people, is now being unleashed on the respectable. How
32:03
Speaker 1: did I join the column? I am going to have
32:05
Speaker 1: to mention that as we wrap up, because Bryan has
32:08
Speaker 1: set me up for that. Two thousand and nine, I
32:12
Speaker 1: was already making good my escape. I had met a
32:14
Speaker 1: wonderful Dutch woman, now married to her for thirteen years,
32:17
Speaker 1: coming on for fourteen and has I think already tendered
32:21
Speaker 1: my resignation with a couple of months. Notice that it
32:23
Speaker 1: was a glorious again spring or early summer day, and
32:26
Speaker 1: my mother came to visit me in a village on
32:29
Speaker 1: a hilltop just outside Stroud, down the road that way,
32:32
Speaker 1: and I could see she was distraught, and she pulled
32:35
Speaker 1: me into the car for privacy on the improbably named
32:38
Speaker 1: Dr Crouch's Road, and said her stellar career as a
32:43
Speaker 1: Superintendent Registrar of marriages for the London borough of Barnet.
32:47
Speaker 1: You might have heard Barnett mentioned in that video clip
32:49
Speaker 1: had come crashing to an end because three people acting
32:52
Speaker 1: at common purpose. She didn't use that phrase, but I
32:56
Speaker 1: use it advisedly. Had decided she was some of the
32:58
Speaker 1: dead wood they had to clear out in their revolutionary
33:01
Speaker 1: takeover of government, so they made a case to bully her,
33:06
Speaker 1: using hr allegations out of office, forced her into an
33:10
Speaker 1: early retirement with a golden handshake and a non disclosure agreement,
33:14
Speaker 1: which blessed her. Being of her generation, she took seriously
33:17
Speaker 1: and thought it had some teeth, which it didn't, and
33:20
Speaker 1: she just decided to take it on the chin and
33:23
Speaker 1: for the rest of her life just you know, retire
33:26
Speaker 1: from the scene. But the three involved were Dominic Campbell,
33:31
Speaker 1: whom you've just heard. You can find his biography on
33:35
Speaker 1: Nesta and various other things. His mastermind a lady called
33:39
Speaker 1: Carrie Bishop, who also was being featured by Brian in
33:43
Speaker 1: those early days of the column twenty thirteen twenty fourteen,
33:46
Speaker 1: just about the time I started watching. And the worst
33:49
Speaker 1: of all I talked about Common Purpose with its you know,
33:54
Speaker 1: its bright color scheme and so on, and its childish
33:56
Speaker 1: use of balloons and post it notes. The worst of
33:59
Speaker 1: all was a younger woman called Kirsty Elderton, who had
34:01
Speaker 1: the goal to come to my mother's office one day
34:04
Speaker 1: being thirty years her junior, probably and try to make
34:07
Speaker 1: her kneel on the floor and play around with colored
34:09
Speaker 1: post it notes, trying to work out how to do
34:11
Speaker 1: her job in a new manner. So my mother actually
34:14
Speaker 1: sent her packing that day, and after that they decided
34:16
Speaker 1: to get rid of her as quickly as possible. I believe,
34:20
Speaker 1: but cannot prove that it was Elderton when she went
34:23
Speaker 1: off to Melbourne, Australia, who partly advised Dan Andrews on
34:26
Speaker 1: the reinvention of government. And you know about that state
34:29
Speaker 1: of Victoria during COVID, So that was this small gang
34:34
Speaker 1: of cool people referred to by the allegedly innocuous geek
34:39
Speaker 1: Dominic Campbell, doing their so called cool things, which was
34:43
Speaker 1: smashing my mother's career to smithereens. So that was twenty fourteen.
34:48
Speaker 1: My mother survived another exactly ten years because I joined
34:51
Speaker 1: the column formerly present her as late twenty fourteen. She
34:54
Speaker 1: died late twenty twenty four and I resolved that although
34:57
Speaker 1: she was going to say nothing about it, I was
34:59
Speaker 1: going to make sure that those pastors regretted it every
35:01
Speaker 1: day for the rest of my mother's life. Where are
35:15
Speaker 1: we now, I really have to wrap up, so I'll
35:16
Speaker 1: say this state is not worth serving. Now, there are
35:21
Speaker 1: some things that are unique about Britain to this day.
35:25
Speaker 1: You know, you probably saw Charles Mallett's share on social
35:28
Speaker 1: media of the maybe tongue in cheek but maybe gentle
35:33
Speaker 1: joshing that we got from the director of GHQ's PA
35:37
Speaker 1: this week saying, regrettably, her Highness will not be able
35:40
Speaker 1: to give up her Saturday to attend your little event
35:42
Speaker 1: two hundred yards down the road from the doughnuts, and
35:44
Speaker 1: we wish you all the best with it. I can't
35:46
Speaker 1: imagine any other country's head of a spoop service or
35:50
Speaker 1: their PA sending something as tongian cheek as that. But
35:55
Speaker 1: this state is not worth serving. As you've heard plenty
35:58
Speaker 1: of people of high ideals inside, although shockingly to some
36:02
Speaker 1: they haven't sworn an oath. And I do think that
36:05
Speaker 1: is relevant because the Lynchpineval Constitution is that the King
36:08
Speaker 1: has sworn the coronation oath, and police and parliamentarians and
36:12
Speaker 1: I think the security services should too. But those two
36:15
Speaker 1: swear an oath to be loyal to him under law,
36:18
Speaker 1: because he's sworn to govern us according to our laws
36:22
Speaker 1: and customs. We can't have mind bending because our customs
36:26
Speaker 1: are supposed to set to priorities and orders for government.
36:29
Speaker 1: But where are we? Yesterday's Times says that they're specially
36:33
Speaker 1: obtained custody data. An exclusive shows that officers are making
36:38
Speaker 1: twelve thousand arrests a year under the Communications Act twenty
36:42
Speaker 1: two thousand and three and the Milicious Communications Act nineteen
36:45
Speaker 1: eighty eight. That's thirty arrests a day for nasty words
36:49
Speaker 1: on social media. Christian Concern reported at the start of
36:53
Speaker 1: this week that Rushmore Council, that's where the parers used
36:57
Speaker 1: to hang out in all the shots, but they're no
36:59
Speaker 1: longer there. They've been rationalizes to other places. They have
37:02
Speaker 1: spent two years drawing up an injunction that they've now
37:05
Speaker 1: slapped on some street preachers. And again, I would be
37:08
Speaker 1: as outraged if this was other religious or philosophical people
37:11
Speaker 1: out on the streets, but it happens to be Christians.
37:13
Speaker 1: They have received an injunction which forbids them from touching
37:18
Speaker 1: anyone who is visiting, working, or living in the town
37:21
Speaker 1: centers Aldershot and Farnderam, including laying hands on them in prayer.
37:26
Speaker 1: Forbids them from approaching anyone who is not themselves street
37:31
Speaker 1: preaching for the purpose of engaging them with discussion about
37:34
Speaker 1: religion or belief. And of course this could be the
37:36
Speaker 1: belief that the government has acted beyond its powers. If
37:39
Speaker 1: it's a fit different person, that could be something that
37:41
Speaker 1: you could have an injunction against, etc. So the collapse
37:46
Speaker 1: of this state leaves me cold. It's not worth serving.
37:52
Speaker 1: Paul's last letter to Timothy before his death says it
37:54
Speaker 1: very eloquently, evil men and seducers shall wax worse and
37:59
Speaker 1: worse and being deceived. I'm at the stage of enjoying
38:03
Speaker 1: them deceiving and falling out with each other. The state
38:07
Speaker 1: will collapse, the nation will continue. We may have another
38:11
Speaker 1: kind of nation state in the future. But I go
38:14
Speaker 1: into detail on that at the end of the talk,
38:15
Speaker 1: because of course I went in thinking I was serving
38:17
Speaker 1: the country, but inside there isn't even a pretense of that.
38:21
Speaker 1: You're serving priorities set by the Joint Intelligence Committee, and
38:25
Speaker 1: it's rather uncertain how those priorities were ever ever set.
38:32
Speaker 1: You'll have noticed that I'm doing less with the column.
38:34
Speaker 1: I certainly haven't walked away resigned in any sense, but
38:39
Speaker 1: I did make a deathbread promise to my dear mother,
38:41
Speaker 1: that I would not just carry on the good fight
38:43
Speaker 1: with UK column, but more particularly that I would leave
38:45
Speaker 1: a legacy in the form of being a Bible translator
38:49
Speaker 1: and a teacher of the Biblical languages, in which there
38:51
Speaker 1: is increasing demand for both of those things and very
38:53
Speaker 1: few people able to do it well. So you do
38:57
Speaker 1: have to carry this balance in life. You have to
39:01
Speaker 1: comfort the comfortless and the abandoned, and tends to the
39:06
Speaker 1: remnant in the broadest sense. And you also have so
39:09
Speaker 1: you can call that keeping the floodgates back as it were,
39:11
Speaker 1: but you can also you also have to leave a
39:13
Speaker 1: legacy for future generations. So I will be working more
39:17
Speaker 1: on the translation of the Word of God, which means
39:19
Speaker 1: I won't be making as many Root News appearances. I
39:22
Speaker 1: certainly will be continuing with the column, most particularly as
39:25
Speaker 1: a podcaster in the series which we do promise to revive,
39:29
Speaker 1: a Dissidence Guide to the Constitution, because we do need
39:33
Speaker 1: people to work out, particularly what the Coronation Oath is
39:36
Speaker 1: in all its implications, and you know I'll read it
39:40
Speaker 1: to you, okay if I can find it. Philip Ridley,
39:42
Speaker 1: who we hope to be the third man on those podcasts,
39:46
Speaker 1: together with Mike and me put it very well. Actually
39:51
Speaker 1: in a recently in a recent response to a teacher
39:56
Speaker 1: being sacked for infringing fundamental British values, in invented actually
40:01
Speaker 1: out of whole cloth. While I was a GCHQ less
40:03
Speaker 1: than a generation to go, Phil Ridley says, the agencies
40:07
Speaker 1: claimed to be defending liberal democracy. You heard Sir Alex
40:09
Speaker 1: Younger saying that's our values. Phil writes, what is a
40:12
Speaker 1: liberal democracy? If it means free then how can that be?
40:16
Speaker 1: Wasn't that freedom overthrown by the House of Commons Disqualification
40:20
Speaker 1: Act nineteen seventy five. You'll have to listen for details
40:22
Speaker 1: in the podcast as to why that unknown piece of
40:24
Speaker 1: legislation's relevant, But the point is ministers are stuffed into
40:30
Speaker 1: Parliament by that legislation. You know, the people supposedly defending
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Speaker 1: our freedoms are also the people having to drum up
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Speaker 1: votes to get re elected, which leads to the situations
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Speaker 1: Raja's described where they're dependent on certain gangsters for their vote.
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Speaker 1: This could be removed at a stroke by returning to
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Speaker 1: the constitutional situation of the pre twentieth century, where ministers
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Speaker 1: cannot sit in Parliament and parliamentarians cannot be crown ministers.
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Speaker 1: Phil Redley says, wasn't that freedom overthrown by the Act
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Speaker 1: of nineteen seventy five and crown whipping which came in
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Speaker 1: a century earlier, probably eighteen seventy four in its full form,
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Speaker 1: Phil says, hardly liberal when the people's representatives, think Ellen
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Speaker 1: Guesthouse get blackmailed as to how to vote by the executive.
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Speaker 1: So there we are. I'll leave it to you to
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Speaker 1: work out which part of my speaking notes it was
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Speaker 1: that did not meet the values of the filter at
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Speaker 1: front desk. And yes, I will say in closing as well.
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Speaker 1: The biggest thing I missed out on as a result
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Speaker 1: of not being of being associated with GCHQ. I don't
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Speaker 1: regret it at all, but I missed out on being
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Speaker 1: the boss of probably the most important Bible translation society
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Speaker 1: that does a job well in the world. I was
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Speaker 1: one of the two shortlisted candidates for being boss. That
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Speaker 1: would have been like the pinnacle of my career if
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Speaker 1: I've gone that way. And one of the board members
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Speaker 1: had printed out a hit piece on the British Constitution Group,
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Speaker 1: which is no, it's in abeyance now, but if you
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Speaker 1: remember it was closely allied with UK column back in
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Speaker 1: the day, and who remembers the Birkenhead events of twenty eleven.
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Speaker 1: Arrest that judge A couple of old timers, Yes, right,
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Speaker 1: So he printed that up and said it says here
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Speaker 1: that you're lot the British Constitution Group, which is apparently
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Speaker 1: nearly the same thing as the UKI Column. He said,
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Speaker 1: arrested a judge in Birkenhead, and I said, yes, that
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Speaker 1: judge needed arresting and they borne. Member said thank you.
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Speaker 1: That tells me all I need to know. And I
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Speaker 1: didn't get the job. So there you go. There are
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Speaker 1: costs to being a member of the column, but no
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Speaker 1: audiences like you. Nine minutes sincerely, the life stories that
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Speaker 1: you bring make it more than worth it. And in closing,
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Speaker 1: I cursed the Deep State for its unlawfulness and its interference.
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Speaker 1: Thank you,