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The Kenny Report | 6 October · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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  Speaker 3: The Coalition outlines its immigration blueprint, cutting net migration to
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  Speaker 3: just 100,000 people a year and halving the refugee intake.
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  Speaker 3: I'll look at the details and discuss them with The
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  Speaker 3: National's Anne Webster. On the eve of the October 7th anniversary,
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  Speaker 3: three years on from that sickening attack that changed the world,
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  Speaker 3: I'll be joined by the Israeli ambassador to Australia, Hillel Newman,
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  Speaker 3: live in the studio. While Anthony Albanese and Chris Bowen
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  Speaker 3: are in the Pacific pretending to save the planet, the
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  Speaker 3: renewables transition in Australia hits a wind drought. Aidan Morrison
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  Speaker 3: on that. Also Tim Blair on Robert De Niro's latest
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  Speaker 3: rant and Susie and Stephen on the immigration debate and
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  Speaker 3: the King's stern message to his renegade brother.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get into it.
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  Speaker 3: The largest cut to immigration in Australia's history. That's how
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  Speaker 3: Angus Taylor and the Coalition are describing their long-anticipated immigration policy.
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  Speaker 3: It's a complex policy area, but the core numbers are clear.
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  Speaker 3: Net overseas migration blew out to more than 500,000 people
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  Speaker 3: in a year, more than half a million people under Labor.
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  Speaker 3: Albanese's immigration policies have delivered an extra 1.5 million people,
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  Speaker 3: adding the population of Adelaide to the country in just
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  Speaker 3: four years. The coalition will reduce net migration to 100,000
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  Speaker 3: in each of the first two years, then move to
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  Speaker 3: 130,000 and 160,000 in the following years. It's putting this
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  Speaker 3: issue at the centre of its policy agenda.
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  Speaker 4: We're out there, unlike the Labor Party, talking to small
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  Speaker 4: businesses every day of the week. They never talk to them.
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  Speaker 4: They've never worked in them.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we have. I have.
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  Speaker 5: I understand the challenges here.
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  Speaker 4: But I also know that right now we have an
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  Speaker 4: immigration policy that is out of control under this government
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  Speaker 4: and I will bring it back under control.
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  Speaker 3: The prime focus will fall onto temporary visas, tightening and
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  Speaker 3: restricting controls on student and bridging visas.
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  Speaker 4: It's also true that for those coming to Australia, Australia
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  Speaker 4: should be a home, not a hotel. And right now
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  Speaker 4: we're seeing under Labor a guest worker economy. Well, we
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  Speaker 4: want people coming to this country who are committed to
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  Speaker 4: the future of our country. And that's why, as part
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  Speaker 4: of this, we will stage a cut of 650,000 to
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  Speaker 4: temporary visas.
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  Speaker 3: Another area set for a major cut is the refugee
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  Speaker 3: or humanitarian intake, which Labor bumped up by 50% to
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  Speaker 3: 20,000 people a year.
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  Speaker 6: We will be halving the humanitarian intake from 20,000, which
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  Speaker 6: is Labor's plan, to 10,000. We will always do our
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  Speaker 6: fair share when it comes to looking after those in need.
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  Speaker 6: As part of our policy to halve that number, of course,
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  Speaker 6: we would retain the right to surge that number or
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  Speaker 6: augment that number, indeed, in cases where need arises.
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  Speaker 2: Now, immigration is a major economic input.
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  Speaker 3: In fact, Australia's economy would be in recession under Labor
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  Speaker 3: if not for the record immigration levels. For much of
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  Speaker 3: Labor's time in office, we've been in a per capita recession.
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  Speaker 3: That's why many of us feel poorer, because we are. But,
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  Speaker 3: of course, immigration also feeds into our housing crisis, the
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  Speaker 3: pressure on schools, hospitals and infrastructure.
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  Speaker 2: The Coalition will increase the.
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  Speaker 3: Number of skilled migrants and place a heavy emphasis on
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  Speaker 3: selecting those with the values and skills to add to.
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  Speaker 2: Our economic output.
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  Speaker 3: That's why, despite criticism from business, they're able to claim
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  Speaker 3: that their cuts won't hurt the budget.
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  Speaker 4: This is very simple. If you bring people in who
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  Speaker 4: can make a contribution, a significant contribution, and are going
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  Speaker 4: to work hard... then it's better for the budget and
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  Speaker 4: the economy than otherwise is the case.
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  Speaker 2: That's the model.
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  Speaker 4: This is the problem with Labor. You know, their whole
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  Speaker 4: economic strategy is built on population growth. If you take
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  Speaker 4: that away, we've had no growth since they've been in power.
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  Speaker 4: So they're addicted to it.
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  Speaker 2: It's nonsense.
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  Speaker 4: This must change.
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  Speaker 3: As for Labor, once more, they're attempting to blame the
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  Speaker 3: problems on the Coalition, even though Labor's more than a
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  Speaker 3: year into its second term.
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  Speaker 7: You can't blame migrants for the decisions of past governments.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, the coalition at both federal and state level
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  Speaker 7: in New South Wales, you would see, for example, that
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  Speaker 7: they didn't build enough homes. They didn't make the investments
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  Speaker 7: in infrastructure that you point to are very important in
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  Speaker 7: my part of Western Sydney. And so migrants shouldn't be
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  Speaker 7: lumped with the blame for decisions made by past governments.
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  Speaker 3: So much of this debate, of the debate around all
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  Speaker 3: of this, focuses on politics, of course. You know, will
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  Speaker 3: this hurt Labor? Is the Coalition trying to catch up
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  Speaker 3: with One Nation?
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  Speaker 2: Yada, yada, yada.
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  Speaker 3: Polling this, politicking that, it's called like some kind of
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  Speaker 3: a horse race. But what matters for the country is
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  Speaker 3: that immigration is too high. It's run ahead of what's
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  Speaker 3: best for the country. Even Labor has admitted that. But
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  Speaker 3: every time Labor sets a new target, it overshoots it.
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  Speaker 3: We're a nation.
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  Speaker 2: Built on immigration. We need it.
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  Speaker 3: It's been our strength and it needs to be into
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  Speaker 3: the future. But it's only our strength if we control
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  Speaker 3: it and we get the people we need. This coalition
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  Speaker 3: policy looks like it's got the right balance. And those
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  Speaker 3: who argue it cuts too hard neglect one simple fact.
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  Speaker 3: That is, if economic conditions mean you need to increase immigration,
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  Speaker 3: then that's easily done. It's much easier to do that
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  Speaker 3: than wrestle control of a migration system that's run way
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  Speaker 3: ahead of our needs, bringing in more people than our
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  Speaker 3: nation can reasonably absorb. While Australian taxpayers are dealing with
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  Speaker 3: record energy prices, the same ones Labor promised to reduce,
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  Speaker 3: And soaring interest rates and a crushing cost of living crisis,
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  Speaker 3: Anthony Albanese and his climate change and energy sidekick, Chris Bowen,
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  Speaker 3: are in the Pacific spending about $ 20 million or more
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  Speaker 3: of your money hosting climate change talks. Albanese and Bowen
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  Speaker 3: love a bit of alarmism, telling us that the Pacific
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  Speaker 3: Islands are under threat from rising oceans, when the scientific
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  Speaker 3: measurements tell us the low-lying island's are actually growing in size.
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  Speaker 3: And Labor's tipped in another $ 7 million as part of
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  Speaker 3: a $ 50 million package for renewable energy in the Pacific.
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  Speaker 3: Labor loves this stuff, the alarmism, the renewables, the virtue signalling.
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  Speaker 3: What they don't love is that none of the world's
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  Speaker 3: power brokers have turned up at these talks.
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  Speaker 2: Albanese is the only G20 leader there.
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  Speaker 3: Bowen has flown in a bunch of lefty mates to speak,
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  Speaker 3: Julia Gillard, Jacinda Ardern, and even Zali Stegall, the teal
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  Speaker 3: who was speaking when the lights and the air conditioning
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  Speaker 3: all blacked out. Maybe Australia should have donated a diesel generator.
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  Speaker 3: Back home, just in case you doubted our alarmism about
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  Speaker 3: federal spending... Have a look at this from the Australian
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  Speaker 3: Financial Review today. Deputy economics editor Michael Reid reports that
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  Speaker 3: government spending has grown twice as fast as Labor's own forecasts.
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  Speaker 3: The final budget outcome showed real federal government spending increased 4.3%
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  Speaker 3: last year, more than double the projected 1.8% growth in
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  Speaker 3: the budget prepared just two years earlier.
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  Speaker 2: The figures are adjusted, of course, for inflation.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, despite the denials, the smug reassurance from the Treasurer,
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  Speaker 3: Jim Chalmers, this stuff is a massive problem, as the
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  Speaker 3: AFR details. Other than during the pandemic, Michael Reid reports,
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  Speaker 3: spending has hit a four-decade high, a surge many economists
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  Speaker 3: argue is making the Reserve Bank of Australia's fight against
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  Speaker 3: inflation harder. The added expenditure means the budget is projected
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  Speaker 3: to remain in deficit for the foreseeable future.
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  Speaker 2: And debt will continue to rise.
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  Speaker 3: That's serious damage to the budget, to the economic outlook
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  Speaker 3: and to your future, thanks to a Labor government addicted
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  Speaker 3: to spending and an ever-expanding public sector. The AFR goes
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  Speaker 3: on to report AMP chief economist Shane Oliver saying that
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  Speaker 3: annual real spending growth averaged 4.2% over the past three
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  Speaker 3: financial years, double the average rate of growth in the
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  Speaker 3: decade before the pandemic. There's your problem. All the data,
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  Speaker 3: all the experts point to this. Spending is still running
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  Speaker 3: out of control and Labor is doing nothing to rein
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  Speaker 3: it in. Our economic woes are homegrown and getting worse.
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  Speaker 3: But Albanese and Bowen don't seem to care. They're too
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  Speaker 3: busy pretending that they're saving the planet. This time three
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  Speaker 3: years ago in Israel, people were gathering for their Friday
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  Speaker 3: night Shabbat dinners ahead of a religious holiday. And two
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  Speaker 3: million Palestinians were living in Gaza and where they'd been
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  Speaker 3: free from Israeli occupation for 18 years, having autonomous control
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  Speaker 3: over their affairs. The Islamist extremists of Hamas had been
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  Speaker 3: voting into power and had commandeered billions of dollars' worth
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  Speaker 3: of aid, along with funding from Iran, to build terrorist
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  Speaker 3: arsenals and tunnels and fire rockets periodically into civilian areas
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  Speaker 3: of Israel. But on October 6, 2023, things were relatively quiet.
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  Speaker 3: the horrors of October the 7th would unfold at daybreak
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  Speaker 3: and dramatically change the lives of all Israelis and Palestinians,
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  Speaker 3: as well as Jews living all around the world, including
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  Speaker 3: in Australia. Hamas started by firing rockets, nothing unusual there,
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  Speaker 3: but then terrorists invaded Israel, with paragliders flying over the
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  Speaker 3: border fences and bulldozers breaching them as thousands of terrorists
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  Speaker 3: and then thousands of other Gazans flooded into southern Israel
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  Speaker 3: and carried out the most grotesque massacre over many hours.
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  Speaker 3: Families were gunned down in the streets, in their homes
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  Speaker 3: and in their safe rooms on Kibbutzim.
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  Speaker 2: People were burned alive, raped and tortured.
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  Speaker 3: Hundreds of young people at the Nova Music Festival were shot, raped,
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  Speaker 3: slaughtered and defiled. Children were killed in front of parents.
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  Speaker 3: Parents were killed in front of children. Hamas terrorists phoned
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  Speaker 3: home to boast to their parents about killing Jews. They
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  Speaker 3: took 251 hostages back to Gaza. They murdered 85 of
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  Speaker 3: them and kept others for two years before they were freed.
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  Speaker 3: To give you an idea of the inhumanity, they took
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  Speaker 3: this family, Shiri Bibas and her two boys, Ariel and Kafir,
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  Speaker 3: and within weeks, they murdered them. Their father, Yadin, was
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  Speaker 3: held separately and survived. This was a level of depravity
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  Speaker 3: that undermines what it is to be human. It was
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  Speaker 3: designed to trigger the ensuing war, to drag Israel into
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  Speaker 3: an ugly urban conflict that the terrorists couldn't win, but
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  Speaker 3: which would bring suffering to the people of Gaza and
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  Speaker 3: provide a platform for anti-Israel propaganda to try to turn
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  Speaker 3: opinion against Israel. Hamas deliberately put civilians in harm's way
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  Speaker 3: so that of the estimated 70,000 deaths in Gaza, perhaps
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  Speaker 3: as many as half were not combatants.
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  Speaker 2: We may never know.
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  Speaker 3: And it must be said the Hamas strategy worked in
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  Speaker 3: many ways. They unleashed anti-Israel propaganda, which has been amplified
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  Speaker 3: by activists, leftists and media around the world, including here
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  Speaker 3: in Australia. The useful idiots have demonised Israel and only
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  Speaker 3: offered succour to the Islamist extremists. All this has made
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  Speaker 3: Israel unpopular and inspired Islamist terrorists worldwide.
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  Speaker 2: But as Hezbollah.
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  Speaker 3: the Houthis and their sponsor, the Islamic Republic of Iran,
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  Speaker 3: all joined the military attacks against Israel, the Israeli Defence
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  Speaker 3: Force hit back, taking out arsenals and terrorist leaders and
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  Speaker 3: ensuring that, militarily, this tiny nation is now probably more
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  Speaker 3: secure than it's been for decades. So much has changed
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  Speaker 3: over these three years. So many lives have been lost.
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  Speaker 3: A two-state solution must be further away than ever. Gaza
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  Speaker 3: is in ruins, yet still Hamas controls parts of the territory.
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  Speaker 3: The Australian government has turned its back on Israel and
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  Speaker 3: effectively rewarded terrorism by recognising the non-existent state of Palestine.
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  Speaker 3: Yet remember, back then, just the day after the horrific
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  Speaker 3: October 7 attack, we saw celebrations on the streets of
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  Speaker 3: Sydney people openly rejoicing at the slaughter of innocents. And
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  Speaker 3: then the following night, we saw similar celebrations and threatening
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  Speaker 3: chants against the Australian Jewish community on the steps of
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  Speaker 3: the Opera House.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, October the 7th.
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  Speaker 3: Even changed Australia so that these events even got a
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  Speaker 3: mention at the Coalition's immigration policy launch today.
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  Speaker 4: That's why we need a red light to radicals. That's
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  Speaker 4: why we need to screen people coming into this country
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  Speaker 4: based on whether they share our values. That's why every
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  Speaker 4: visa holder in this country should be screened to see
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  Speaker 4: whether they share our values. And clearly, clearly we've had
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  Speaker 4: people in this country on visas who do not share
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  Speaker 4: our values under this government. And we've seen the government
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  Speaker 4: bringing people into the country, actively assisting people to come
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  Speaker 4: into their country, the ISIS brides, who do not share
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  Speaker 4: our values. And that will change. That must change. And
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  Speaker 4: it will change under a Taylor Canavan government, let me
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  Speaker 4: tell you, because that is completely unacceptable.
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  Speaker 3: We are a changed country and we have changed for
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  Speaker 3: the worse. Just last year, we saw the worst terror
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  Speaker 3: attack in our history, targeting Australians who are Jewish, killing
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  Speaker 3: 15 people.
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  Speaker 2: We like to say we are one and free. It's
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  Speaker 2: in our anthem. But right now, we are not one.
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  Speaker 3: Our social cohesion has never been so clearly torn asunder.
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  Speaker 3: And nor are we free, not while the terror threat
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  Speaker 3: remains at probable and there are extremists in our midst
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  Speaker 3: that wish harm upon other Australians. Tomorrow is a solemn anniversary.
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  Speaker 3: We've got a long way to go to recover from
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  Speaker 3: October the 7th. Joining me now in the studio is
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  Speaker 3: the Israeli Ambassador to Australia, Dr Hillel Newman.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us again, Ambassador.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for inviting me. It's an honour to be
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  Speaker 1: on your program, Chris.
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  Speaker 3: I want to ask you about the three-year anniversary tomorrow and, importantly,
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  Speaker 3: three years on, are Australians who are Jewish more or
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  Speaker 3: less safe than they were three years ago?
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  Speaker 8: Well, there have been tremendous achievements over the past three years. Israel,
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  Speaker 8: together with the United States in many ways, has weakened
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  Speaker 8: Iran and weakened the proxies of Iran, which were the
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  Speaker 8: terrorist organisations which hit out. I cannot say that everyone
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  Speaker 8: is safe. I cannot say that everyone in Australia is safe.
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  Speaker 8: There is a common thread. between the shooting at Nova
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  Speaker 8: on the 7th of October, the shooting at Bondi, and
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  Speaker 8: the continuing terrorist attacks that we see, like, for instance, fly.
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  Speaker 1: Dubai, which we only saw three days ago.
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  Speaker 8: There's a continuing threat, and the threat is anti-Semitism, hatred,
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  Speaker 8: people who are filled with hate. So this continues, and
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  Speaker 8: we have to be aware all the time.
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  Speaker 3: How worried are you about further terror attacks in Australia?
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  Speaker 1: I am concerned.
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  Speaker 8: I think that the Jewish population who I'm in contact
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  Speaker 8: with do not feel safe in Australia. And there's perhaps
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  Speaker 8: too much of a tolerance for extremist behavior. Like we
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  Speaker 8: see these demonstrations that are planned even for tomorrow on
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  Speaker 8: the 7th of October, which is a celebration of death
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  Speaker 8: and destruction. It's a celebration of murdering people. So if
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  Speaker 8: you have such demonstrations in cities in Australia, It can
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  Speaker 8: only increase also violence.
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  Speaker 3: I'll come back to what's happening in Australia, but let
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  Speaker 3: me go to the Middle East again and just explore
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  Speaker 3: that issue of Israel's security. Three years of horrible wars
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  Speaker 3: and attacks on Israel. and deaths in Gaza and in
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  Speaker 3: southern Lebanon and in Israel. But is Israel now more
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  Speaker 3: secure than perhaps ever because it's taken out so many
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  Speaker 3: of its enemies?
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  Speaker 1: Definitely, 100%.
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  Speaker 8: We've reached a situation where Hamas does not have the
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  Speaker 8: capability at all to launch rockets against Israel anymore.
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  Speaker 1: We've diminished the leadership.
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  Speaker 8: We've decapitated the leadership of Hamas, Hezbollah and even of Iran,
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  Speaker 8: the supreme leader of Iran.
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  Speaker 1: So we've weakened.
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  Speaker 8: The evil forces, the axis of evil in a dramatic manner,
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  Speaker 8: today they do not pose an existential threat to the
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  Speaker 8: state of Israel. Iran itself was an existential threat, which
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  Speaker 8: is no longer on the board, on the table anymore.
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  Speaker 8: Their nuclear capability has been taken away, their ballistic missiles.
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  Speaker 8: So we're in a different situation completely. But we must
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  Speaker 8: be aware all the time in order to make sure
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  Speaker 8: that these forces do not build strength again.
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  Speaker 3: Now, you mentioned the fly Dubai attempted terror attack last week.
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  Speaker 2: We've learned that the.
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  Speaker 3: Pilot involved was allegedly banned from flying in Oman because
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  Speaker 3: of concerns about his extremism. Now, it shouldn't fall on
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  Speaker 3: Israel to protect itself from these sorts of attacks, but
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  Speaker 3: the Israeli intelligence and security services must feel that they've
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  Speaker 3: failed your country by failing to pick up on this
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  Speaker 3: extremist flying into their country.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's just about impossible.
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  Speaker 8: Up to now, it was impossible for Israel to monitor
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  Speaker 8: every single pilot or every single person that flies a plane.
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  Speaker 8: You know, you do trust authorities that are supposed to
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  Speaker 8: check these things. But today, our Prime Minister Netanyahu has
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  Speaker 8: taken it upon himself to add this to our burden
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  Speaker 8: of actual... aspects that we have to take care of,
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  Speaker 8: which is the security of even pilots that come from outside. But,
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  Speaker 8: you know, this aspect of the fly Dubai attack brought UAE,
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  Speaker 8: United Arab Emirates, and Israel even closer. We stand together
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  Speaker 8: against these threats. And these threats are against the peace
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  Speaker 8: in general, against the Abraham Accords. So it's not only
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  Speaker 8: an attack on the Jews, on Israel, but it's an
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  Speaker 8: attack also on the Abraham Accords and the peace.
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  Speaker 1: This is the battle.
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  Speaker 8: The battle is between the radicals and the moderates. And
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  Speaker 8: UAE and Israel stand together.
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  Speaker 3: And how close is Israel to formalising Abraham Accords with
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  Speaker 3: Saudi Arabia, which would be the game-changer?
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  Speaker 2: And, in fact, it was looming.
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  Speaker 3: Perhaps that's what precipitated the timing of the October 7 attack.
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  Speaker 1: Definitely.
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  Speaker 8: The 7th of October attack was an attempt also to
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  Speaker 8: derail any further peace between Israel and the Arab world.
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  Speaker 8: You know, Israel, since this reestablishment in 1948, extended its
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  Speaker 8: hand in peace and friendship to the entire Arab and
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  Speaker 8: Muslim world. And those that are prepared to just come
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  Speaker 8: to terms with the existence of the state of Israel,
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  Speaker 8: we immediately have peace.
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  Speaker 1: And that's the Abraham Accords. Those states.
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  Speaker 2: So are you close again with Saudi Arabia?
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  Speaker 8: We hope the day will come. Saudi Arabia, from our
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  Speaker 8: point of view, we can make peace tomorrow morning. It's
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  Speaker 8: up to them to make that decision as well. And
• 20:44
  Speaker 8: they have to come forward, take that leap of faith
• 20:47
  Speaker 8: and leap above the Arab street, as one would say,
• 20:52
  Speaker 8: cast away their fears of the radicals and come towards
• 20:55
  Speaker 8: peace with Israel.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: Now, the anniversary tomorrow, there'll be solemn ceremonies in Australia.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: You'll be attending them in Sydney tomorrow. They'll occur, of course,
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: in Israel as well. You must be concerned that anti-Israeli,
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: pro-Palestinian gatherings are scheduled for tomorrow as well. Should governments
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: in Australia ban such protests tomorrow?
• 21:18
  Speaker 8: It's absolutely irreprehensible that such demonstrations take place. It's a
• 21:23
  Speaker 8: celebration of a death cult. Those that stand on the
• 21:27
  Speaker 8: 7th of October not with Israel But against Israel, they're
• 21:30
  Speaker 8: celebrating the slaughter and the murder of Israelis and Jews.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: It's absolutely morally deplorable.
• 21:38
  Speaker 8: You know, it tells more about the people themselves than
• 21:41
  Speaker 8: about what they're standing for. These people are completely brainwashed
• 21:46
  Speaker 8: and in many ways completely reprehensible morally. Look, in a
• 21:52
  Speaker 8: democratic society, part of the democracy is that people have
• 21:56
  Speaker 8: peaceful demonstrations.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: This tells about these people.
• 22:00
  Speaker 8: When they stand in such a demonstration against Israel on
• 22:02
  Speaker 8: the 7th of October, they're standing with.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: A death cut. I think you're right.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: It's hard to ban the protests, but anybody who would
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: show their face at such a protest, it deserves nothing
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: but our contempt, I would say. Now, I want to
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: go to Anthony Albanese, the Prime Minister, of course. I
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: want to show you what he said in New York
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: just over a year ago when he recognised the non-existent
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: state of Palestine, but in his sights was Israel.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Have a look.
• 22:29
  Speaker 9: We are seeing the Israeli government continue to provide support
• 22:36
  Speaker 9: for illegal settlements and an expansion in the West Bank.
• 22:41
  Speaker 9: We're seeing a catastrophic humanitarian crisis unfold in Gaza. The
• 22:48
  Speaker 9: idea that Israel is just sitting back waiting to negotiate
• 22:53
  Speaker 9: is not what is happening here. This is about the
• 22:58
  Speaker 9: world saying enough is enough.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: So this is the Australian government criticising Israel rather than
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: demanding Hamas lay down its arms?
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Yes, what can I say?
• 23:13
  Speaker 8: The responsible actor for what is happening in Gaza and
• 23:16
  Speaker 8: what has happened in Gaza is the Hamas. The Hamas
• 23:19
  Speaker 8: launched an attack against innocent people, against innocent Israelis, Jews,
• 23:24
  Speaker 8: just because they're Israelis. You know, they attacked peace-loving communities
• 23:28
  Speaker 8: which are on the border with Gaza, people that used
• 23:31
  Speaker 8: to give travel to Gazans for medical treatment in Israel
• 23:36
  Speaker 8: because they were peace-loving people. These are the people that
• 23:39
  Speaker 8: were attacked. They were attacked on non-disputed territory. It wasn't
• 23:43
  Speaker 8: even in what's called the disputed territories. So we must
• 23:46
  Speaker 8: understand what's at stake here. What is at stake here
• 23:50
  Speaker 8: is a battle.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Against the existence of Israel in any borders, and that
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: is what should be understood here.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: You must have a hard time as ambassador dealing with
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: an Australian government that's become so antagonistic towards Israel, but
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: that's your day job and I'll leave you to it.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: But I want to go to that broader picture. There
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: are so many lies told about Israel, this claim of genocide,
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: there were claims of starvation, claims that journalists were killed
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: when there were Hamas operatives. So many of them, so
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: many have been debunked, of course, if anyone drills into it,
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: but the The public believe a lot of these. The
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: public broadcasters propagate them. So I won't go through all
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: that in detail with you. But the question remains then,
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: could Israel have done more in Gaza to minimise civilian deaths?
• 24:37
  Speaker 8: I want to tell you, you know, not only do
• 24:38
  Speaker 8: we have the physical front of battling these radicals like
• 24:44
  Speaker 8: Hamas and Hezbollah, but you also have another front, which
• 24:46
  Speaker 8: is we'd call it the eighth front. which is the
• 24:49
  Speaker 8: front against the lies and fabrications. We see so many
• 24:53
  Speaker 8: lies and fabrications like genocide. There was never any genocide.
• 24:57
  Speaker 8: There never was a genocide. Starvation, there was a starvation.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: We know, and I debunk those every night on this
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: program when I get the chance. But could Israel have
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: done any more, do you think, realistically, to minimise... civilian casualties?
• 25:11
  Speaker 8: I tell you, Israel did the utmost in order to
• 25:13
  Speaker 8: minimise civilian casualties, not only warning the people in advance,
• 25:18
  Speaker 8: spreading leaflets to make sure that the people that are
• 25:20
  Speaker 8: innocent are kept out of harm's way.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: We did just about everything that is possible.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: Just finally then, given media have been kept out of Gaza,
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: if media are prepared to accept the risks on themselves,
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: the risks of being killed or taken captive by Hamas,
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: why not still just... let Western media in there unsupervised
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: to see what they would report from that territory?
• 25:45
  Speaker 8: First of all, journalists can go into Gaza. It's just
• 25:48
  Speaker 8: supervised in a way that they go in according to
• 25:51
  Speaker 8: routes that are not dangerous for them.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: You know, if any journalist.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: But if they want to go in and take the risk,
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: why not let them?
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: In the end, they will accuse Israel.
• 25:59
  Speaker 8: You know, you take aid workers, for instance, where aid
• 26:02
  Speaker 8: workers are killed during their mission unintentionally and the accusations
• 26:06
  Speaker 8: are always against Israel. Doesn't matter what happens, the accusations
• 26:09
  Speaker 8: are against Israel. In this case, we have to make
• 26:12
  Speaker 8: sure that the journalists themselves are safe and secure. We
• 26:15
  Speaker 8: cannot take that guarantee when you're talking about Hamas territory.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Hillel Newman, thanks again for your time. And I hope... No,
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: I firmly believe that.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: The vast majority of Australians, their sympathies are with you
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: and your country and Jews around the world on that
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: anniversary tomorrow.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Thank you very much.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: Helal Newman there, the ambassador to Australia from Israel. Now
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: I want to move on to domestic issues and this
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: immigration debate. I'm joined by the Shadow Regional Health Minister,
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: Anne Webster, in rural... Victoria or are you still in
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: Parliament House?
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: In Parliament House. Anyway.
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: No, no, in Victoria.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Oh, you got home. You got home already. Fantastic.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: Now, tell me about these drastic cuts to immigration. Tell
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: me why they won't hurt the economy. Surely there's going
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: to be a dramatic economic impact when you cut immigration
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: way back to 100,000 a year.
• 27:14
  Speaker 10: Well, we will be cutting it over a period of
• 27:17
  Speaker 10: four years, as you know, Chris, and that is absolutely
• 27:21
  Speaker 10: necessary because Labor have had our borders wide open and
• 27:25
  Speaker 10: have increased our population by 1.5 million people. That is
• 27:31
  Speaker 10: a problem for our economy because we don't have the houses,
• 27:34
  Speaker 10: we don't have the services, we don't have the hospitals.
• 27:37
  Speaker 10: There are a whole range of reasons why Labor's migration
• 27:40
  Speaker 10: mess is is actually hurting all Australians as well. So
• 27:47
  Speaker 10: Angus Taylor, under a Taylor and Canavan government, which I'm
• 27:50
  Speaker 10: really pleased is now out there, we will be cutting migration,
• 27:55
  Speaker 10: but we will be taking migration to where it is needed.
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: Out here in the regions, of.
• 27:59
  Speaker 10: Course, we've just been through an absolute disaster under Labor
• 28:03
  Speaker 10: where they've cut working holidaymakers.
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: Right at the time of harvest, right at the time.
• 28:09
  Speaker 10: Where tourists will be coming in Queensland. So the working
• 28:14
  Speaker 10: holidaymakers will not be touched. We will remove the ballot
• 28:19
  Speaker 10: that Labor have just put on it.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I like this idea.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: Instead of having a ballot and a cap, you provide
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: a really good incentive. That is, the longer you stay,
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: the higher your visa fee goes up. But if you
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: want to get rid of that fee, if you want
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: to cut those costs, go and work in the regions.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: Do you think that people will take that up?
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Look, absolutely.
• 28:40
  Speaker 10: A $ 500 fee if you want to come in on
• 28:43
  Speaker 10: year one, another $ 500 fee for year two. That's all
• 28:47
  Speaker 10: fine and well for those who want to go to
• 28:49
  Speaker 10: the cities, and a lot of people do.
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: But if you don't want.
• 28:52
  Speaker 10: To pay those fees, then coming out to the regions
• 28:56
  Speaker 10: is absolutely for you. And we have people who come
• 28:58
  Speaker 10: back year after year to work on our harvesters and
• 29:02
  Speaker 10: our combines, you know, multimillion-dollar equipment.
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: And these people are skilled. They come from the northern hemisphere.
• 29:09
  Speaker 10: They come down to the southern hemisphere for our harvest,
• 29:12
  Speaker 10: go back for theirs.
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: In the north at that time.
• 29:15
  Speaker 10: So it's a really important change that we will be making.
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: The other point that I really want to make, Chris, is.
• 29:22
  Speaker 10: That we will be reintroducing the ag visa that was
• 29:25
  Speaker 10: cut under Labor in 2022.
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: We introduced it in May 2022 or March 2022.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Labor cut it.
• 29:34
  Speaker 10: In September 2022. That is an incredibly important visa and
• 29:38
  Speaker 10: I am really pleased.
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: That we will be bringing it back for our regions.
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: It's just so needed.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: But when you're talking about cutting 650,000 temporary visas, how
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: is that not going to impact on the Labor market?
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: How is that not going to leave some businesses light
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: on for Labor?
• 29:59
  Speaker 10: Well, what's going to be happening is that those student
• 30:04
  Speaker 10: overstayers will be gone and the universities that rely entirely
• 30:11
  Speaker 10: on international students for their money tree will have to
• 30:16
  Speaker 10: rethink their business model.
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: I don't think that's a problem.
• 30:19
  Speaker 10: Julie and Lisa is working on the finer details of
• 30:22
  Speaker 10: that at the moment. But we want people out in
• 30:25
  Speaker 10: the regions. We want to have a fair spread of
• 30:29
  Speaker 10: our migrants to come into Australia, not just to go
• 30:33
  Speaker 10: to the cities, but to come out to our regions.
• 30:37
  Speaker 10: So temporary migration is important. It has its place. Protection visas,
• 30:43
  Speaker 10: if you want to come as an asylum, we're going
• 30:45
  Speaker 10: to be cutting that number from 20,000 back to 10,000 again.
• 30:49
  Speaker 10: and you need to apply for your protection visa in
• 30:52
  Speaker 10: 30 days.
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: I don't think that's unreasonable or you lose your work rights.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great to have... It's very complicated, the whole thing. Yeah,
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: it sure is.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: It's a complex area and that's why we've put out
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: a detailed policy.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: The numbers are out there. The detail is out there.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: It's great because this is the number one issue around
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: the country with so many people, so the debate can
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: now happen.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Bring it on, I say. Thanks for joining us, Anne.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: I appreciate it.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: Anne Wester there from the Nationals on this immigration debate,
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: which is going to be so central not just to
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: politics but to the future of this country. Everybody admits
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: that we've been bringing in too many immigrants. Even Labor
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: say they're trying to reduce it. It's all about how
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: and the numbers. Let's take a break now. On the
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: other side, we'll check in on Anthony Albanese and Chris
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: Bowen in the Pacific. As I mentioned, they're pretending that
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: they're saving the planet. But meanwhile, back home, the renewables
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: transition has been hit by a wind drought.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Aidan Morrison will explain all that.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: Now, while Anthony Albanese and Chris Bowen are in the
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: Pacific pretending to save the planet, the renewables transition in
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: Australia has hit a wind drought. The Australian reports a
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: plunge in wind generation has prompted operators to withdraw hundreds
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: of megawatts of capacity from the grid, triggering a spike
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: in power prices. Let's bring in Aidan Morrison, the Energy
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: Programme Director at the Centre for Independent Studies.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: Good to talk to you again, Aidan.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: This wind drought is not unusual, but it creates a
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: massive spike in the costs.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Why?
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: Why wouldn't our system be robust enough to handle a
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: day or two with no wind?
• 32:32
  Speaker 11: Well, the short answer is that the system is not
• 32:35
  Speaker 11: really robust to handle with low prices and the batteries
• 32:38
  Speaker 11: run out in almost no time at all. And so
• 32:40
  Speaker 11: if they have a day or so where they don't
• 32:41
  Speaker 11: get that really good low-cost energy charge, they're caught short.
• 32:45
  Speaker 11: And that's what this report tells us, is that that's
• 32:47
  Speaker 11: what's occurred. They withdraw their capacity because they realise there's
• 32:51
  Speaker 11: not going to be any new abundant energy, so they've
• 32:54
  Speaker 11: got not enough charge and they raise their prices to
• 32:57
  Speaker 11: extract enough money, and that's how it goes.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: This is where the fantasy gets exposed, where people talk about, well,
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: you have lots of wind and you have batteries, right?
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Because the batteries are incredibly expensive... And even.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: After all that expense, they might buy you a few
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: hours of supply, but you probably need a couple of
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: days up your sleeve in case you get a few
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: days without wind, right?
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: That's exactly right.
• 33:18
  Speaker 11: So, the case that we have before us that was
• 33:20
  Speaker 11: reported on by the AER at the moment, in that situation,
• 33:24
  Speaker 11: they had probably three or four times as much power
• 33:27
  Speaker 11: coming from gas. The batteries just put a little bit
• 33:29
  Speaker 11: of icing on the cake on top of that, and then, indeed,
• 33:32
  Speaker 11: they run out of charge extremely quickly.
• 33:34
  Speaker 12: So.
• 33:35
  Speaker 11: They were only providing a little top-up on top of gas,
• 33:38
  Speaker 11: and you'd hope that helps to push prices down a
• 33:40
  Speaker 11: little bit. But in this case, you get one day,
• 33:43
  Speaker 11: a full long day without wind, and they don't get
• 33:45
  Speaker 11: to charge again when they hope to. Solar underperformed a
• 33:48
  Speaker 11: little bit as well, and then they're caught short with
• 33:51
  Speaker 11: almost no help provided at all, and prices start to spike.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: This gets to a critical point that I think gets
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: missed out in the debate so often, is that even
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: if the best wool in the world, you put the
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: most glossy wool picture on it. You have a lot
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: of wind farms all over the country, lots of solar
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: farms and sunny days, lots of wind, and we're powering
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: ourselves almost 100% on renewables. You think that chugs along
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: for a while. You know there's going to be times
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: where you are without wind and without sun. That's going
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: to happen, whether it's a couple of days a year
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: or more.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: It's going to happen.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: So to back it all up, you virtually have to
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: have enough generation on standby, a second grid to power
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: the whole system.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: You have to have two grids. It's exactly right.
• 34:37
  Speaker 11: And it's one of the great myths we've told ourselves
• 34:40
  Speaker 11: for a long time is because Australia is such a
• 34:42
  Speaker 11: large continent, it'll always be sunny or windy somewhere. But
• 34:46
  Speaker 11: the transmission required to do that is just an absurdly
• 34:49
  Speaker 11: expensive project. And it turns out that every single day
• 34:51
  Speaker 11: the sun goes down. And when the wind has a
• 34:54
  Speaker 11: real lull, it can be a genuine nothing at all
• 34:58
  Speaker 11: for several days in a row across multiple states. It
• 35:01
  Speaker 11: happens where you get a typical big east coast high.
• 35:03
  Speaker 11: And you have South Australia, Tasmania, Victoria and New South
• 35:06
  Speaker 11: Wales at nothing for multiple days in a row. Maybe
• 35:09
  Speaker 11: a breath in Queensland if you're lucky. But that means
• 35:12
  Speaker 11: that you really have to have enormous amounts of backup.
• 35:15
  Speaker 11: And it's an entire extra system, as you point out.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: And explain to us, too, about how much electricity you
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: lose in transmission, because I'm assuming if you have a
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: A lot of wind, say, in Victoria, but you need
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: the energy in Queensland. You lose a high percentage of
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: the electricity in transmission.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: What sort of percentage do you lose?
• 35:35
  Speaker 11: It's a complex question to ask because we actually don't
• 35:37
  Speaker 11: often plan to move a lot of electricity all the
• 35:40
  Speaker 11: way from Queensland to Victoria or vice versa. That's not
• 35:42
  Speaker 11: what our grid was set up to do. It was
• 35:44
  Speaker 11: meant to have, you know, if one unit's down here,
• 35:46
  Speaker 11: a bit of power could come from the nearest other
• 35:48
  Speaker 11: big generation unit. So we've never really done that. And
• 35:51
  Speaker 11: so at the margins, the next unit of generation that
• 35:54
  Speaker 11: you add to the grid is how they're calculated. Something
• 35:56
  Speaker 11: like 10 or 11 percent at the moment for new
• 35:59
  Speaker 11: renewable energy gets lost in transmission. There's a big plan
• 36:02
  Speaker 11: to try to link this all up with higher voltage
• 36:04
  Speaker 11: transmission to fix everything. But that is many years away
• 36:08
  Speaker 11: and very many billions of dollars away. And that cost
• 36:10
  Speaker 11: has not yet hit our bill. So a long way
• 36:12
  Speaker 11: to go yet.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: In the meantime, if we want our prices to remain
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: not low but not to go any higher, we want.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: The wind to keep blowing.
• 36:19
  Speaker 11: We'll have to hope for the best, right, and see
• 36:21
  Speaker 11: if we get a good season.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: Thanks, Aidan. Appreciate it. Aidan Morrison there from the Centre
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: for Independent Studies. We'll take a break.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: On the other side, I'll catch up with Tim Blair.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: One thing I want to raise with him is Robert
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: De Niro. He's been out yelling abuse at Donald Trump again.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: Don't go away.
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: Let's catch up with The Daily Telegraph's Tim Blair in
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: Western Victoria.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Good to talk to you again, Tim. I tell you what, just.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: When you think the democratic socialists of Labor are going
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: too far in just about every direction, the Greens are
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: put into shame. There's a new mob out, the Green Institute,
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: backed by some green politicians. They want to effectively socialise supermarkets.
• 37:03
  Speaker 13: Yes, note how they're not talking about the climate so
• 37:05
  Speaker 13: much anymore. Now they're just into full-on communism. You know,
• 37:08
  Speaker 13: they've just decided, you know, why mess around? We'll go
• 37:10
  Speaker 13: straight to the source. So, yeah, this is a $ 25
• 37:14
  Speaker 13: billion proposal where they would forcibly buy... Forcibly is the
• 37:17
  Speaker 13: word they actually use in their press release. forcibly buy
• 37:20
  Speaker 13: Coles and Wilbur supermarkets and add to that a bunch
• 37:23
  Speaker 13: of other government-supported supermarkets in order to bring free food
• 37:28
  Speaker 13: to the masses, or at least low-cost food to the masses,
• 37:31
  Speaker 13: as if this has never been tried before and ended
• 37:33
  Speaker 13: up starving millions to death.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: I seem to recall seeing, you know, television footage of
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: Russians queuing up for a loaf of bread under this
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: system in Soviet Russia. But, of course, the New York mayor,
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: Zoran Mandami, is trying this again. He's set up state-owned
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: grocery stores.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: Have a look.
• 37:54
  Speaker 14: Today, I am proud to announce a collection of essential
• 37:57
  Speaker 14: staples that will be predictably 30% cheaper at all five
• 38:01
  Speaker 14: of our city-run grocery stores.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: Just extraordinary, Tim. I mean, we all sort of know
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: the Woolies and the Coles jingles. I wonder what sort
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: of a jingle the government-run grocery stores will come up with.
• 38:17
  Speaker 13: Buy your month-old cabbages here, line up for cardboard shoes there.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: It's going to be atrocious.
• 38:24
  Speaker 13: I love, by the way, how... Memdani is all very
• 38:27
  Speaker 13: popular at the moment, and the mood in New York
• 38:29
  Speaker 13: is all very upbeat. They're coming off a lovely summer.
• 38:31
  Speaker 13: But this is what happens always in the first phase
• 38:34
  Speaker 13: of any socialist movement. It's the giveaway or it's the
• 38:37
  Speaker 13: looting phase, if you like, when they're giving away all
• 38:39
  Speaker 13: the money. It's great now, but when they've got to
• 38:41
  Speaker 13: depend on their own sources of income, on their own
• 38:44
  Speaker 13: generation of revenue, that's when they hit that little thing of,
• 38:48
  Speaker 13: you know, we don't actually make money under socialism. It's
• 38:50
  Speaker 13: all left over from the other guys.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: Once you go to the fruit and veg section and
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: there's only cabbages, that's when you start to question it. Now,
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: speaking of socialism, Chris Bowen and Anthony Albanese are over
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: in the Pacific trying to con everybody that they're going
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: to save the world by government intervention, but Bowen has
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: been caught actually just nodding off.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: He found saving the planet was a little.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: Bit boring for him. Imagine how many people are sleeping
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: when he's talking.
• 39:20
  Speaker 13: Oh, my goodness.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: Welcome to our world, Chris.
• 39:24
  Speaker 13: That's how we feel listening to you, mate. It's almost unfair.
• 39:30
  Speaker 13: in a way, isn't it? My job, believe it or not,
• 39:33
  Speaker 13: is to sort of make fun of politics and get
• 39:35
  Speaker 13: laughs out of it. These people are making it, A,
• 39:38
  Speaker 13: too easy, but also moving it on my turf. We
• 39:40
  Speaker 13: used to have comedy festivals in Australia that were funny.
• 39:44
  Speaker 13: Now they're just politics. They're just all politics and they're
• 39:46
  Speaker 13: not funny at all. And we have political events that
• 39:49
  Speaker 13: are pure comedy.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: Like this thing in Fiji.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: It's fantastic.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: I wonder if I could impose upon our director, Tim,
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: to maybe get those pictures up again.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: Of Chris Bowen just quickly because I.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: Want to show these pictures of Tim Bowen, of Jim
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: Bowen and others in the Pacific before I go to
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: some other photos I got.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: With you during the week. Now, look at this. Look
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: at these wonderful loud shirts that they're wearing. They're beautiful.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: It's the only good thing.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: Now, Tim, that's the one thing you'd like about that
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: is the shirts because last week on my holidays I
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: managed to pass through Horsham and catch up with Tim
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: Blair and in the flesh, and we'll show you the
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: photos here.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: I managed to stand with him in the man cave
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: from which he broadcasts and catch up with him. But
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: he also showed me, of course, his wardrobe of loud
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: Hawaiian shirts.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: There they all are.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: He's got one for every day. Mate, you are a
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: man made to be at these climate talks.
• 40:41
  Speaker 13: I mean, look at that wardrobe in my eternally renovated property. It's...
• 40:48
  Speaker 13: I look like I've been to every Fijian event, political
• 40:51
  Speaker 13: event in the last 40 years, don't I, judging by
• 40:53
  Speaker 13: that wardrobe? But, yeah, it's the one area that me
• 40:56
  Speaker 13: and Chris Bowen have got in common. When it comes
• 40:58
  Speaker 13: to shirts, we're loud and cheap.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: You wear them a lot better, Tim. I'm prepared to
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: say that.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: Before we let you go, there's something you've brought to
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: our attention is Robert De Niro, great actor, but, my God,
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: he's boring on politics.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: All he gives us is abuse. Here's his latest go
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: at Donald Trump. And when that coward, that piece of.
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump tries to take our voice and power away.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: What do we tell him? Your f * * * ing.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: Hands off our vote.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: Tim, he's better when someone writes a screenplay for him.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 41:34
  Speaker 13: He's not that good on his feet in other circumstances.
• 41:37
  Speaker 13: Here's something that's going to really upset De Niro and
• 41:39
  Speaker 13: his mates, though. Although Trump obviously is restricted to two terms,
• 41:44
  Speaker 13: He's going to hold the record forever of the most
• 41:47
  Speaker 13: total presidential votes held by anyone, and it's not even close.
• 41:50
  Speaker 13: I think he's about 80 million in front of Barack Obama,
• 41:53
  Speaker 13: and it's because he ran for three campaigns. The left
• 41:56
  Speaker 13: forced him to run three campaigns, so they gave him
• 41:58
  Speaker 13: the all-time record number of votes. Think about that next time,
• 42:02
  Speaker 13: Mr De Niro.
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: I've got a feeling Trump won't let anybody forget either.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Tim. We'll see you later in
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: the week there, Tim Blair. You can catch his stuff
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: on the Daily Telegraph website. Let's go to our Tuesday
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: panel now and catch up with News Corp national education
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: editor Susie O'Brien in Melbourne and Radio 2CC breakfast host
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: Stephen Senatiempo in Canberra. Let's go straight to the immigration debate, guys.
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: It's on for young and old now. We had One
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: Nation put out their policy. Susie, we know what the
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: government's doing and.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: Hoping to do.
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: Now we've got a detailed policy out from the Coalition.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: It's a pretty important debate.
• 42:42
  Speaker 15: It's a really important debate and it's a very good policy.
• 42:44
  Speaker 15: I mean, they cover off some of the really key issues.
• 42:48
  Speaker 15: They've got an overall drop in numbers and they're looking
• 42:50
  Speaker 15: after the regions.
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: But is anyone listening?
• 42:54
  Speaker 15: I mean, this has come out in the same week
• 42:56
  Speaker 15: where we know the coalition vote is at an all-time
• 42:58
  Speaker 15: record low, 22%. And I would say they've lost momentum
• 43:03
  Speaker 15: on this really key issue.
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: They're just following One Nation. They're just following Labor.
• 43:08
  Speaker 15: And no one is listening.
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I reckon they've really lifted over the past couple
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: of weeks. I think Angus Taylor's really been hitting his
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: straps a bit and delivering a.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: Bit of cut-through.
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: It'll take a long while for that to work through
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: in the polls, but they've been performing better. But you're right,
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: at the moment, they're trailing badly in the polls. Before
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: I go to you, Stephen, let's just have a look
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: at what the Nationals leader, Matt Canavan, had to say
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: about the Liberals dealing, or the Coalition dealing in these
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: issues yet again.
• 43:36
  Speaker 12: Well, it does feel like Groundhog Day here, where twice
• 43:40
  Speaker 12: before the Liberal and National parties have been asked to
• 43:43
  Speaker 12: secure our country's borders from a Labor set of failures
• 43:48
  Speaker 12: on migration.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: That's the point for the Coalition, isn't it, Stephen? It
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: is strong ground for them. Everybody knows they have been
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: able to deliver on these issues in the past.
• 44:00
  Speaker 14: Yeah, no doubt about that, but I agree with Susie
• 44:03
  Speaker 14: in the sense that I don't know that they're getting
• 44:04
  Speaker 14: the cut through on this issue because One Nation has
• 44:06
  Speaker 14: taken ownership of it. I would have liked to have
• 44:09
  Speaker 14: seen them put out more economic-type policy rather than hit
• 44:12
  Speaker 14: immigration because I think it's a bit low-hanging fruit at
• 44:14
  Speaker 14: the moment, but I think the policy in and of
• 44:16
  Speaker 14: itself is brilliant, but what it's going to come down
• 44:18
  Speaker 14: to is their ability to go out and sell it,
• 44:22
  Speaker 14: which is what they've been deficient at probably over the
• 44:24
  Speaker 14: last four or five years. If they can hit that right,
• 44:27
  Speaker 14: I think they're on a winner here, but they've got
• 44:28
  Speaker 14: to start coming out with some economic policy.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, this plays into economics, of course, and I
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: think the Labor's attack against it, Susie, is going to
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: be that they're cutting too hard, it's going to hurt
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: the economy. In some ways, that argument only helps the Coalition, right,
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: because it wants to be seen as cutting very hard.
• 44:48
  Speaker 15: Well, I mean, we know that this is the number
• 44:50
  Speaker 15: one issue, migration, for rusted-on One Nation voters. So the
• 44:55
  Speaker 15: Coalition has to go hard on this issue. It has
• 44:58
  Speaker 15: to try and reclaim some of that right ground and
• 45:03
  Speaker 15: at the same time, during a cost-of-living crisis, make sure
• 45:06
  Speaker 15: it doesn't absolutely ruin the economy.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: And it's a fine line.
• 45:10
  Speaker 15: No-one's really got it right yet, but this is definitely
• 45:13
  Speaker 15: the kind of ground that they need to make up.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: It is a fine line, Stephen, but my point here
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: is that it's very hard to wind back the overrun.
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: That's what Labor's given us now. Too many migrants, even
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: they admit that. Very hard for them to wind it
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: back without substantial change. It's better to set a lower target,
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: because if you are in strife, if there is a
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: Labor market shortage, it's pretty easy to ramp immigration up.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: I mean, in an instant, there's any number of people
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: who want to come.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt about that.
• 45:44
  Speaker 14: And I think the other thing they've got right here
• 45:46
  Speaker 14: is they're talking more about the mix rather than the
• 45:48
  Speaker 14: raw numbers, you know. But that was my criticism when
• 45:50
  Speaker 14: they first started to hint at an immigration policy, was
• 45:52
  Speaker 14: that it was all about numbers, where we need to
• 45:54
  Speaker 14: actually get the right people coming into the country.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: In the right quantities as well.
• 46:00
  Speaker 14: But the other issue, too, is that they need to
• 46:03
  Speaker 14: start going after the, I think, the soft underbelly of
• 46:06
  Speaker 14: this government, which is their economic policy, and they need
• 46:08
  Speaker 14: to start driving home where the problems are, and that
• 46:11
  Speaker 14: is our education system is failing because it's now become
• 46:13
  Speaker 14: an immigration Ponzi scheme. We've got, you know, we're importing
• 46:17
  Speaker 14: Uber drivers and dog walkers and all these kind of things,
• 46:19
  Speaker 14: and it is actually... harming our hospitality sector where they
• 46:22
  Speaker 14: can't get the right people in. And Labor's changes have
• 46:25
  Speaker 14: actually made it harder for them to do that. They
• 46:27
  Speaker 14: need to start targeting the actual issues with Labor's policy
• 46:30
  Speaker 14: and how it's affecting business, which is their base.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: Indeed. Now, we talked about One Nation.
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: They've come out with a policy today to ban the
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: wearing of burqas at schools.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: Here's what Barnaby Joyce had to say.
• 46:43
  Speaker 16: Look, I think we're on solid ground here. It's not
• 46:45
  Speaker 16: just Australia. There's about 50 countries in the world that
• 46:47
  Speaker 16: have gone down this path. Australia has an egalitarian culture.
• 46:51
  Speaker 16: It's supported very much across the board, and we want
• 46:55
  Speaker 16: to maintain that. It's incredibly important that we get a
• 46:58
  Speaker 16: sort of a harmonious process in Australia. You can still
• 47:01
  Speaker 16: wear a headscarf. That's not an issue there. But this
• 47:06
  Speaker 16: sort of absolute position is not where we want, just
• 47:11
  Speaker 16: like we don't want, I suppose, at Catholic schools, people
• 47:14
  Speaker 16: going to school in a nun's habit.
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: Well, Susie, there are lots of Muslim girls at Muslim schools,
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: Islamic schools that wear a veil. Not too many in Fulburka,
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: but there would be some. Is it a good idea
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: to outlaw it?
• 47:30
  Speaker 15: Oh, look, I think this is solid ground for One Nation.
• 47:34
  Speaker 15: You know, shades of Pauline coming into Parliament wearing the burqa.
• 47:39
  Speaker 15: You know, it's an easy headline and an easy hit.
• 47:42
  Speaker 15: There's not many people who are going to disagree with this.
• 47:44
  Speaker 15: The fact that there are hardly any students.
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: Who do come.
• 47:48
  Speaker 15: You know, most of the people who are wearing the
• 47:50
  Speaker 15: full burqa are women, not girls. But I noticed I
• 47:56
  Speaker 15: was with the reporters when they wrote the story yesterday
• 48:00
  Speaker 15: and I was looking up the New South Wales Department
• 48:03
  Speaker 15: policy on this and it actually says that if there
• 48:06
  Speaker 15: is a student who has a burqa on... They are
• 48:08
  Speaker 15: allowed to be disrobed in a confidential setting so that
• 48:12
  Speaker 15: people can make sure that they are who they say
• 48:14
  Speaker 15: they are, maybe to sit an exam. So clearly this
• 48:17
  Speaker 15: is an issue and it is happening, although in small numbers.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: Yep, I don't think we should have it.
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: I'm very anti-Burka and I'm surprised there's not every feminist
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: in the country is against the Burka. It's just no
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: way to treat women. And I don't think there's any
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: problem stamping this out in schools. You're teaching kids. You
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: want to be able to see their face, number one.
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: and not allow them to be forced to dress in
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: that way.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: But I know a lot of people scream about that.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: They say it's their choice, yada, yada, yada. But we'll see.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: One Nation again, though, they're prepared to have the debate.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, guys. I really appreciate it. Stephen
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: and Susie, we'll catch you next week. We are out
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: of time. Thanks for watching. We're going to take a
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: commercial break now, a little bit of change to our
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: normal practice.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: After that, Jamie Rogers will be there for Peter Quedlin.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: I'll see you tomorrow.