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How to Discern the Spirit: Overcoming Pride, Comparison, & Spiritual Attacks | FT Brianca E Hardy | EP85 · Jess Ask

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  Speaker 1: Yo, it's your girl, Jessica as Smith, and you already
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  Speaker 2: And then you know it's about to get real.
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  Speaker 1: To be sure to show your girl the love and
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  Speaker 3: Hey, hey, I know we could be another way.
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  Speaker 1: M yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah. That's
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  Speaker 1: how I feel that. That's how I'm dressed. If you
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  Speaker 1: You have entered the safe place for influencers to decompress
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  Speaker 1: half fun and just ask your girl Jessica as Smith
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  Speaker 1: and baby, I'm super excited about this episode, but I
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  Speaker 1: already know what y'all want.
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  Speaker 2: That's all right, Hey, that's all right. Hey, that's all right.
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  Speaker 2: That's a right, there's a right, that's a right, that's.
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  Speaker 1: Right, that's the right where you at, don't y'all? Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to another episode of Just Ask the podcast Desilreate.
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  Speaker 2: How you feeling today is? Oh? I know, I just
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  Speaker 2: did it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm working on it. Y'all know, we're still working on technology.
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  Speaker 1: So hey, she quickened herself. See she quicking, see quicking.
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  Speaker 1: You know what if you church, you already know she quicking.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm good, Like, I'm excited.
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  Speaker 1: I'm excited about this wonderful, amazing woman of God that
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  Speaker 1: we have in here today because I already felt like
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  Speaker 1: I don't think they know, they don't know, they about
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  Speaker 1: to know, they about to find out.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody say, quickly, quickly put it in a chat. Just hey, quickly, listen.
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  Speaker 1: You already know what is going down. You see it
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  Speaker 1: in the in the episode. You know if you look
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  Speaker 1: at the title. But each week we've just been bringing
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  Speaker 1: some knowledge, some wisdom, some power and baby our guests.
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  Speaker 2: Today she got all of that.
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  Speaker 1: But before we get into her, the thou art, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: it's time for the community highlight.
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  Speaker 2: You already know what it is. You already know what
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  Speaker 2: it is. Listen.
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  Speaker 1: I'm super excited about this community highlight because she's a
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  Speaker 1: day oner.
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  Speaker 2: Can you say, day one day one day one? Listen.
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  Speaker 2: I love this young lady. I personally know her.
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  Speaker 1: However, and you know, some people, thank you, Holy spirits,
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  Speaker 1: some people don't really have the capacity to support you
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  Speaker 1: on the levels that you might desire or whatever, and
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  Speaker 1: I've learned that, like it's just been okay for me
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  Speaker 1: to just be like, Okay, well they're gonna support here. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: they're gonna support here. And this woman of God since
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  Speaker 1: day one, she has been really invested into watching the
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  Speaker 1: platform grow.
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  Speaker 2: I've been watching her grow.
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  Speaker 1: She even spoke life to me earlier this year, just
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  Speaker 1: when I was doing lunch with just on TikTok and listen,
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  Speaker 1: like the favor that's on this woman of God's life,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just really excited for where God has
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  Speaker 1: taking her. I'm even shaking right now. And so Chelsea
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  Speaker 1: alexis strained. I might have said your last name wrong,
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  Speaker 1: but we're gonna go with Chelsea. Listen, you already know
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  Speaker 1: who you are. I want to first thank you for
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  Speaker 1: your commitment and your involvement in this community you've been.
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  Speaker 1: You are so special. You are, Oh God, you are
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  Speaker 1: so special. And I want to thank you for the
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  Speaker 1: words of encouragement. Even when I felt like you didn't
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  Speaker 1: know these times, but even when I felt like I
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  Speaker 1: didn't know that I was on point, you made sure
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  Speaker 1: that you reached out and you communicated to me personally
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  Speaker 1: that it was on point, and it was what you needed.
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  Speaker 1: And so I even hear the Lord say, now that
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  Speaker 1: he's even supplying your needs, the things that we don't
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  Speaker 1: even know about, He's gonna continue to supply and meet
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  Speaker 1: every need. And I hear the Lord say, he's changing
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  Speaker 1: your language to adapt to what you need, to push
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  Speaker 1: out the purpose, to push out the promise, even so
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  Speaker 1: that your daughter, thank you only spirit won't even have
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  Speaker 1: to reignite herself in the places where you had to
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  Speaker 1: reignite yourself. And so even he the Lord say, I'm
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  Speaker 1: giving you life in the dead spaces. I'm giving you
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  Speaker 1: life in the dead spaces. I speak life over you.
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  Speaker 1: I speak health over you. You will have a healthy mind,
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  Speaker 1: body and spirit. You will have a healthy mind, body
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  Speaker 1: and soul. You will be healthy physically, emotionally, and mentally.
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  Speaker 1: So I just speak that over you. I want to
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  Speaker 1: say thank you again. And what you have invested in
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  Speaker 1: this platform made the Lord bless your platform in Jesus name,
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  Speaker 1: y'all give it up for I'm trying to listen. My
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  Speaker 1: guests here told me about myself. She was like, I
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  Speaker 1: love how this is getting a little profetic. I love
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  Speaker 1: how this is given profetic. So'll y'all haven't heard the name.
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  Speaker 1: Y'all have heard the name multiple times, y'all. If I
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  Speaker 1: don't say nobody else, I say this woman of God's name. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: it's uh, it's weight on his name. And I'm really
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  Speaker 1: excited to have her because she too is a day one.
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  Speaker 1: When I say day one, she actually a day zero.
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  Speaker 1: She's a day zero. And I don't care what I'm
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  Speaker 1: doing in my life. I know support is by her name,
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  Speaker 1: and now she don't support no foolishness. The woman and
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  Speaker 1: God will get you together real quick. Don't don't let
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  Speaker 1: the face fool you. But anything that I've done, anything,
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  Speaker 1: any places that I've been, she she's been there. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm really excited for you to expose you guys to her.
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  Speaker 1: Those that don't know right, she's She's been on several
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  Speaker 1: episodes already. But those that don't know this woman and God.
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  Speaker 1: She is a minister. She's a daughter of the King,
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  Speaker 1: baby she and she's a proud daughter of the King.
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  Speaker 2: She is is also a content creator.
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  Speaker 1: She has her own platform, calls Life with Brianca, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm excited to even link her to our community, to
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  Speaker 1: link on this platform Also, she's an author, y'all.
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  Speaker 2: She's an author.
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  Speaker 1: She's a coach of inner healing life coach specializing in
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  Speaker 1: mother and father woms.
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  Speaker 2: So baby, y'all, y'all need to hel up because you
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  Speaker 2: know a few things.
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  Speaker 1: But listen, I'm so honored to call her everything. But
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  Speaker 1: most importantly, I'm so honored to call her my sister,
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  Speaker 1: my sister. So I introduced and present none other than
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  Speaker 1: the one, the only Brianka e her A.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, what is I don't know? Listen if I had
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  Speaker 2: long get on nails, like, well, girl, because you used
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  Speaker 2: to wear those long nails. How you feeling this? I'm
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  Speaker 2: feeling good.
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  Speaker 4: I'm happy like you gotta say it like you got
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  Speaker 4: to bring.
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  Speaker 2: I don't get to do this with any other guests.
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  Speaker 1: I might get to do it with Greg though, because Greg,
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  Speaker 1: you and Greg.
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  Speaker 2: Nick and Nick with this whole posta.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't think I have another guest that's been
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  Speaker 1: through each stage you were at, you were at my
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  Speaker 1: house that you were at the house with, just as
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  Speaker 1: you were my very first Oh my gosh, you're my
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  Speaker 1: very first guest on this platform. Fun fact that the
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  Speaker 1: camera stopped working on us in the middle of like
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  Speaker 1: we had so much hell getting through that that, but
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  Speaker 1: oh what a friend we have in Jesus amen. And
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  Speaker 1: it was a good conversation too. Oh even if I
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  Speaker 1: go back, even though I'll go back. Before I had
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  Speaker 1: the podcast, you were on several episodes of whatever I
• 8:00
  Speaker 1: was called. I think I was calling it just ask yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like how God just does things full circle? So I
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  Speaker 1: would love to hear like how it's been for you
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  Speaker 1: journey journeying, not just as a community member, but as
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  Speaker 1: a participant on this platform.
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  Speaker 2: So one thing.
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  Speaker 4: What I was just thinking on the way here, your
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  Speaker 4: podcast has always been like transparency and just a natural
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  Speaker 4: conversation and it's like the cameras just so happened to
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  Speaker 4: be there. But it's just awesome seeing I feel like
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  Speaker 4: it's heightened more this year. Right, y'all will burst into
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  Speaker 4: tears in a moment, and I'm like, if y'all not crying,
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  Speaker 4: I'm crying on the other end. So it's just seeing
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  Speaker 4: that heighten even the more. And just the amazing guests
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  Speaker 4: that come in are transparent. What it can you cannot
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  Speaker 4: help but be transparent coming here when you as the leader,
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  Speaker 4: as the founder, you guys are transparent so we come
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  Speaker 4: into the culture and we have to.
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  Speaker 2: Be transformed by it.
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  Speaker 4: And so just seeing the heightened transparency, and it's transparency.
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  Speaker 2: That really pulls people in.
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  Speaker 4: So it's been amazing to see the growth and knowing
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  Speaker 4: what's happening behind the scene, knowing the hard work that's
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  Speaker 4: going on behind it, the conversation, all of that, and
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  Speaker 4: just seeing the continuous pressing and not giving up.
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  Speaker 2: Come on, I said she was a minister, but let
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  Speaker 2: me go ahead, be respectful. She a profit.
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  Speaker 1: Her was a profit and so she will get an
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  Speaker 1: opportunity if she started blowing.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going with she owned, she owned.
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  Speaker 1: This apishold I've taken it. I'm going with her over flowing. Listen,
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  Speaker 1: you brought up a word and I'm so glad you
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  Speaker 1: said that, the word transparency. And I've witnessed even you
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  Speaker 1: coming to a new level of transparency with your platform
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  Speaker 1: on YouTube.
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  Speaker 2: Can we go there, like, what's the what's been different
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  Speaker 2: for you?
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  Speaker 1: Because I've seen you take breaks, I've seen you take
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  Speaker 1: a stick bag and just like, Lord, this is frustrating.
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  Speaker 1: But then coming to a space where it's like now
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  Speaker 1: I'm not just teaching, but I'm bringing evidence, Like what's
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  Speaker 1: the difference for you in this season.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think when you come from and this is
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  Speaker 4: a still present struggle, but when you're pulling from this perfectionism, right,
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  Speaker 4: and perfectionism when you create this motive, I got to
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  Speaker 4: have everything together and no one can see that I'm
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  Speaker 4: and then I used to get compliments of you look
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  Speaker 4: so put together.
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  Speaker 2: So it's feeding into that.
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  Speaker 4: And then when I got to a point of just saying,
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  Speaker 4: I don't want to make it seem like this.
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  Speaker 2: Walk is a cake walk because it's not.
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  Speaker 4: I don't want to make this walk seem like it's
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  Speaker 4: easy all of the time.
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  Speaker 2: No, Like I want to be transparent.
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  Speaker 4: And I think a lot of times when people look
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  Speaker 4: at people with titles or they look at their platforms
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  Speaker 4: and they think, oh, well they just have it easy.
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  Speaker 2: No, let me just share with you.
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  Speaker 4: I may have my last episode may have been prophesied
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  Speaker 4: by obedience, but the Lord told me to do.
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  Speaker 2: Something, and now I stick. I don't want to do
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  Speaker 2: it right.
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  Speaker 4: And being transparent, so just being upfront with people and
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  Speaker 4: what I'm learning is even more that that's pulling them in.
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  Speaker 4: And now I'm finding people like, oh, can you talk
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  Speaker 4: a little bit more about this and.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, listen the mask listen, but it's a process
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  Speaker 1: for that. Can you go into what that process.
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  Speaker 2: Look like for you? Because I know, like say, we've
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  Speaker 2: been bes friends.
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  Speaker 1: For long, We've been friends for a long, long time,
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  Speaker 1: long time, okay, and the breed that I knew is
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  Speaker 1: not the breed that I see today in the best
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  Speaker 1: way possible, And it's been a pleasure just seeing you elevate.
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  Speaker 1: And so like, let's go into the process of unmasking
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  Speaker 1: the perfectionism because you know that's also a struggle that
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  Speaker 1: I have.
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  Speaker 2: Type A Hello, Type A What does that process look like?
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  Speaker 2: What is it? What is needed for the unmasking?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so for me, this connects I connected a lot
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  Speaker 4: of times to the healing journey because that's for me
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  Speaker 4: and it's the healing journey, the inner healing journey is all,
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  Speaker 4: is just that a journey. My attachment style is avoid
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  Speaker 4: attachment style, and that avoid attachment style is.
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  Speaker 2: We don't like difficult conversations.
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  Speaker 4: Intimacy is something we run from, and so it's more
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  Speaker 4: for me, it's intimacy and conversation. I love listening to
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  Speaker 4: my friends share what they want to like, I want
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  Speaker 4: to hear that, right and be able to pour into them.
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  Speaker 4: But when they flip the microphone to me and like okay,
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  Speaker 4: now you talk. That has been a struggle for me
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  Speaker 4: just to be like, okay, let me just share, like
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  Speaker 4: what's going on my mind, because a lot of times
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  Speaker 4: for me, I like, well, if I share what's in
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  Speaker 4: my mind, then how are they going to think about me?
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  Speaker 4: Even though I know my friends love me and I
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  Speaker 4: know that there is no like condemnation or anything like that.
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  Speaker 4: But I'm like, if I share this struggle, what are
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  Speaker 4: they going to think? And so shame begins to come in.
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  Speaker 4: And when I got to a point of knowing that
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  Speaker 4: that is a wall as an avoidan attachment style, I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: I've got to knock down that wall because avoiding intimacy
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  Speaker 4: is avoiding covenant.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 4: It's so good, and I am professing with these beautiful
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  Speaker 4: women that I'm connected to. Oh you're my covenant sister.
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  Speaker 4: You're my covenant sister. But who wants to be in
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  Speaker 4: a covenant that's half sided?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 4: And so I was giving that in a lot of
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  Speaker 4: half sided covenant so and then wanting to just remove
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  Speaker 4: that and say, Okay, it's hard, right, I preface my
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  Speaker 4: friends with this like, Okay, this is what I'm trying
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  Speaker 4: to do. This is what I'm working on, but you know,
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  Speaker 4: give me grace in that area, but being willing to
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  Speaker 4: no longer.
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  Speaker 2: Be avoidant, right, because we all got a heal.
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  Speaker 4: We can grow up in an attachment style and that's fine,
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  Speaker 4: but we all got to heal from that place so
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  Speaker 4: that we can be secure. And even though the world
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  Speaker 4: may teach like a secure in who you are, I'm
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  Speaker 4: saying secure in God and the identity that He has
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  Speaker 4: given me and so pulling that in God being like, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: let me put this mirror in front of you, deal
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  Speaker 4: with that. With that, okay, we got to deal with
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  Speaker 4: that again, right, I'm just being willing to just remove
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  Speaker 4: it in his time, in his presence.
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  Speaker 2: So that's so good. Okay. So I want to confirm
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  Speaker 2: what she just said.
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  Speaker 1: It's very, very true that you I have been working
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  Speaker 1: on it, even to the fact we just got through
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  Speaker 1: talking about this, y'all. She said her friend group a survey.
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  Speaker 1: I'm part of this survey and that has some great questions.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't really connect that to you breaking down the
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  Speaker 1: perfectionism or the avoiding attachment styles, and I think that's
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  Speaker 1: very interesting. It's almost like you're you're showing visible evidence
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  Speaker 1: of your try and sometimes I think we as people
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  Speaker 1: just in general, say oh, I'm trying.
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying to try, but where's the evidence?
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  Speaker 1: Like you could be trying for yourself, but how can
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  Speaker 1: other people really show see that can confirm that you're trying.
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  Speaker 1: And the confirmation I have for you is that girl.
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  Speaker 1: I laughed when you sent that dog on survey. I
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  Speaker 1: was like, what is she doing? And some of the
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  Speaker 1: questions I said, go, goal, goal, And so I appreciate
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  Speaker 1: that in that In that survey, you asked about our
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  Speaker 1: attachment styles and I love that question because it made
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  Speaker 1: us think about ourselves. So it wasn't just like how
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  Speaker 1: I've been treating you, No, it was everything about that
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  Speaker 1: survey was like, Okay, what do you like?
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  Speaker 2: How would you like to be treated?
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  Speaker 1: Oh?
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  Speaker 2: That was so good. It's like a servant's herd, like
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  Speaker 2: how would you like to be treated? What do you
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  Speaker 2: want out of the relationship?
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  Speaker 1: And my favorite question out of that was the attachment
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  Speaker 1: style question because I had to really think about it
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  Speaker 1: and then you broke it down even to the point
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  Speaker 1: where you can have multiple ones and I saw multiple ones.
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  Speaker 2: For me, Yeah, but I was like, oh, I gotta
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  Speaker 2: choose one.
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  Speaker 1: Can you talk speak to the attachment styles because people
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  Speaker 1: might not understand that and then kind of break give
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  Speaker 1: like an example of those attachment styles.
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  Speaker 4: So you have secure attachment, those that are able to
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  Speaker 4: to be in relationships. They are able to give someone
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  Speaker 4: their space, but they also enjoy that connection.
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  Speaker 2: They're not they don't have trust issues, right, They're good
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  Speaker 2: with trust.
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  Speaker 4: They're just really secure in any type of relationship, right,
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  Speaker 4: they come in secure. Then you have those that are
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  Speaker 4: anxious attachment, who one may look as may feel like clingy, right,
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  Speaker 4: the constant need of how are we doing?
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  Speaker 2: Like it's everything okay? Are we all right? Like is
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  Speaker 2: this good? Right? Just needing that validation.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of times that can come from just being
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  Speaker 4: in an environment, a growing in an environment where there
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  Speaker 4: was lack of nurture, and so naturally if you have
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  Speaker 4: a lack of nurture, you're wanting to check is this
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  Speaker 4: still good? Because I'm not sure because my upbringing, I
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  Speaker 4: didn't know if we were good.
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  Speaker 2: It was just here and there.
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  Speaker 4: And then you have avoidant attachment style, which is, like
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  Speaker 4: I said, is afraid of the intimacy, tough questions, tough
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  Speaker 4: conversations can be a challenge just want to avoid.
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  Speaker 2: The anxious attachment is they are willing.
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  Speaker 4: To have those conversations, but they also have high anxiety.
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  Speaker 4: Then you have the avoidant attachment, who avoid the conversations
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  Speaker 4: and have low anxiety with other areas except.
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  Speaker 2: For when it comes to intimacy.
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  Speaker 4: And then you have those fear avoidant, which I say
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  Speaker 4: are just like a mixture of the ancient and anxious
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  Speaker 4: attachment and the avoid attachment. They're emerged, and so it's
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  Speaker 4: really unexpected with them because they may launch onto you
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: in a friendship and then all of a sudden they
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: going for who knows when, and then they come back
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: and it's like restarting, get again. And those attachment styles
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: really just come from our Upbringking. But the goal is
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: when we go through our healing journey, no matter which
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: attachment style we may find ourselves in and our upbringing,
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: our ultimate goal is to be in a secure where
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: we go in trusting or we're not afraid of intimacy,
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: that we can have those tough conversations, and those attachment
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: styles can be seen and not just relationships but work environments.
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  Speaker 2: How do you view yourself friendships romantic?
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: Literally the attachment styles because our upbringer, our mother and
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  Speaker 4: our father, they are our image of God. They are
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: our image of love and affection and nurturing and respecting
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  Speaker 4: all of this stuff, and that shapes who we are.
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: And so our lack of getting something makes us cling
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  Speaker 4: to something, or the polar opposite makes us avoided.
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  Speaker 1: That's so good. I'm hearing to go here. And if
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: you're open to it, I'm open to it too. So
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: I know there was a conversation that she was like, hey,
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: I want us to talk or whatever, and maybe we
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: can have just a little bit of that here. And
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: so one of the I know in the survey I
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: think I put which one I put? I think I'll
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: put avoidant. If I'm not mistaken, I can't remember what
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: I say. I'm anxious, okay, because it was.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Between those two.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: And so I can even see in our own relationship,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: and maybe we can teach people how to have this
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: conversation right now live get I just feel that somebody
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: needs some example of that. So if I'm if I
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: put anxious and you put avoid in, how how do
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: you and I like connect or make this work? What
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: is the practical steps that we have to take because
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: if I'm anxious, I be ready to have the conversation.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: But I've also been avoidant in our relationship. I've been
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: avoided to have oh the elements made me cry. I've
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: been avoidant to have certain conversations with you based on
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: I'm like, in my head, Bree is put together. Bree
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: is the epitome of what a Christian woman looks like.
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: Whoa wait, wait, wait, wait wait wait hold up, okay, okay,
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: if it's tears on here, y'all, this is you know,
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: I ain't alwa's going.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: Here, so Bree, yeah, just cleanic, cleanic. I'm just gonna
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: need for y'all to sponsor.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Just ask, please please sponsor, just ask okay, because we
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: were using your read but no, I know, and I
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: can pinpoint things that even now, I'm like, I don't
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: know if I want to say this. I don't know
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: if I want to share this because that's so ugly,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: even though there have been some really ugly things that
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: you've already been like, Okay, you know, because i'd be
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: like I tell I told you, I breathe the friend
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: that we'll rebuke in love.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: But I'll be like, I don't want to get rebuked
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: right now, you know what I'm saying.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: But it's not like she'd be like like, it's very
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: much so.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Girl, you already know Nope, we not having it. But
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: there's a fear there.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: There's a fear of losing the relationship because I'm not
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: where I feel like you are. It's like, in my
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: I esteem you. That's probably the best way to experience it.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: I esteem you so much.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, we're gonna have a conversation.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Yea.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Is it esteem or is it idolization? I thought it
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: was esteem. It could be a little bit of both,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: if I can be honest, because it's like I'm being
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: I'm being shown. Wow, are we really having this conversation?
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: I'm being shown the.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Great areas in my life where where even what I
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: was saying before giving and how giving can become prideful, right,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: maybe what I aspire to be even in the five fold,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Like I'm like, I originally learned a lot of things
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: and you were ignited. You want the first people to
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: ignite things in me, So yeah, I look up to you.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: So possibly could be idolization. I've never considered that as
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: an option, and.
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: I think to my end of it, I think me
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: not sharing those things of my end, it can look like, oh,
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: you do have it put together with me.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: And while I'm.
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: Battling in my mind and I'm afraid to share because
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: I don't want to be shamed or I don't want
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: to be judged, right, I'm afraid of that that intimacy
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: that you get to see.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: This right, But yeah, I think that's a good revelation.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Because it's almost so almost so to the point where
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: like I have compared myself to you, especially in the
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: relationship realm, but I've also know that.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: We both drug.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Like we've had recent conversations, y'all.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: We can't go into deal right now. Man, we were
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: both at that also shame.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: There was a period where I was like, because you
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: help you hold yourself down on the outside, you.
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: Know how the means and tiktoks everybody thank you getting
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: in the back of the close. But no, like it's
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: a because you've had That's one of the rebuts I
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: got of holding myself and I did I do it?
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: I tried, I had tried in that season of holding myself.
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: Y'all don't know what holding herself, not having doing the
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: grown folk. You know what I'm saying, not doing business?
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, because I was doing the grown folk,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: because you were.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: You're talking about the business the married folk.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, trying to hold out. You
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: know that's that is really a struggle, like if.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: We'd be honest.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: But in my mind I put it, it's like, Okay,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: well she sold out. She so sold out for God
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: that you know. She walked with the Lord, she talked
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: with the Lord, she breathed with the Lord. She know
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: how to she knows what what the rama year?
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: What is that? The rain of year? What you be
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: talking about?
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: You hear that?
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: You know she's Russia, Russian rashie.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: You get what I'm saying. I'm the ratchet one. She
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: she the one that can teach, preach and prophesize.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: She can, you know what, she does all those things.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: And that's what That's where that I had to really
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: start when I started like, because this is not the
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: first time I've opened up to her about the comparison thing.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: I think it's been probably a couple of years since
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: I was like honest about it, and I think that
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: really took our friendship to another level. Like it's like
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: and I did not know we was gonna be talking
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: about this today. Okay, bet that's what the Lord want
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: to do.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Let's go.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: So like even with a couple of years, like even
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: our first initial conversation, I was like, I don't know
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: if that's gonna not be attractive because at some point,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: like when we talk about attraction, we don't just talk
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: about with you know, man and woman. We talk about
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: in friendship. There's a there's a level of attraction to someone.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: You might not understand it. But like we go back
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: like fol facts, you know, you you a the University
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: of Alabama. Like we did some of the same things,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: interested in some of the same things. And now our
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: core is God, Like our core has really become what
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: does God want for our relationship? And so I've told
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: this story before and I'm gonna tell tell you real quick.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Like it was one day I was randomly driving in
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: the car and I heard the Lord say, Brie is
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: a lifetime friend.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: I was like, why are you telling me this?
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: This is me just getting into the understanding of God
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: and how he speaks to me, and I was like,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: why are you telling me this?
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: The next few months we had a hardship. Listen, Lord,
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: have mercy. Oh God, oh God.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: I didn't know we was gonna come back because I said, God,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: how you gonna tell me?
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: You just told me?
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: How you gonna tell me that? She my lifelong friend?
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: And we're not even talking right now.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: And listen, it was that same verbage because I know
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: you share that you use it in prayer, and I
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: was using you.
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: Lifelan.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Listen, I gotta use what the prophet say in prayer.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Listen, because the thing, the thing is, it is like,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: I'm glad I even shared that with her when we
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: were good, like the Lord prepared me for a hard place,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: a hard place in our relationship.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: How was that for you?
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Managing on your side, knowing knowing, like reflecting on it,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: knowing my avoiding side, now knowing your avoiding attachment.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: How was that period for you of our relationship? Oh?
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: It was very difficult because I had already had an
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: experience of a different friendship. It would make me think, oh,
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: here we go again. And it was in a season
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: where I was already looking at different my different friendships,
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: and I was it was a rough season for me
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: as far as like for friendships because I was just
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: questioning a lot of things and then it was like
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: that came along and I'm just.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Like, Lord, like, is it me? Why the problem? And
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: so but I knew that I couldn't allow it to
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: be what it could have been.
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: It couldn't allow it to be. So I did give
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: us moment of space. But I was more proactive than
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: I would have been in my past.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Of let's just have a conversation again.
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: I may not know the right words and I may
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: not be saying it as eloquently and as nice as
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: I need to be, but I need to get this.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Out and we got to move on from this.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: So yeah, that was.
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: It was a challenge, but it was good, you know
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: what I mean, Like looking back on it, it was
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: good for us to be friends as long as we
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: have been, and that was really that was a lot.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: That was a long time of.
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: Friendship for us to get to that point, right and
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: then that we overcame that.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: So it was rough, but it was good. I hear
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: something else to bring up the fact. On my end,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: I did like I did talk to like my spiritual
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: leaders about it because I needed to know to navigate.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: But we do have mutual friends.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: We are intertwined and these are not just random friends, like,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: these are friends that are lifelong friends too. And I
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: can even remember where uh I was trying to figure out.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not gonna say nothing to her specifically,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: I said, I'm not gonna say nothing to.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: This friend about it.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: And I'm on my end, like, how that's gonna look
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: when she want to come to the city and want
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: to hang because normally we hang together. How that's gonna look?
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: But it was the honor, even though I was frustrated,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: and I know on your end because we talked about it.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: Y'all. How does what it? I guess the.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: Wisdom that it takes to honor something or someone, even
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: the friendship relationship.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: How do you how do have you presented yourself?
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Like how do you teach people to honor and not
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: become a mo about just that one thing? Because sometimes
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: we can make an emotional decision. I think the word
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: is discernment. You've been on it, so let's let's get
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: let's go ahead and.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Get get into that. I'm ready and then okay, so
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: take me back to the just how do I know?
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: What was the question? How do you?
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: How do you know, like honoring, how do you are
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: you able to navigate honor while being emotional or like
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: whether you're frustrated said whatever, how do you maintain that
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: honor for somebody? When I, like, for example, I said
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: you're my life on friend, I still had to honor
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: the fact that the Lord told me that.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So for me, I.
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: Guess it goes to the fact of me being able
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: to kind of create this separate like dichotomy of Okay,
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: I know that this is a situation, right, but I
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: also can look at the track record in this relationship
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: show great, and I won't allow this humanity to knock
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: my eyesight of this beautiful divinity right here, right, And
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: so I'm gonna honor this even during our time of
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: not talking. I'm not finna dishonor, and I'm not gonna
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: let anybody else dishonor. So there are even moments where
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: I knew who I could talk to and I knew
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: who I couldn't talk to, because I don't want you
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: to think that me coming to you is an open
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: door for you to dishonnor.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: So because now I have a snap on you.
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: Facts, right, So just being able to just be just
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: understand that we're human, right, and that this moment does
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: not change of what I saw and what I've seen
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: in this friendship or in this relationship, and so we
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: can work this out.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna make this thing a mountain.
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: When I see a beautiful mountain over here of this
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: great friendship and all that we've gone through and all
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: that we confided in and all that we support, I'm
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: not gonna allow this little little pebble to be the
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: thing that joys what God has built. And so honoring
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: the voice of God and what he said, right even
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: if it don't make sense. Hey, and this is if
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: we need to push past friendship real quick, honoring what
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: God said even if it doesn't make sense, right, trusting it, praying,
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: get that's what we did, trust it, prayed.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Did it make sense?
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: How You're gonna bring this back around? But I'm honoring
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: your word, God, I'm honoring what you're declaring over my life,
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: and I'm gonna stay flat footed on it.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: I may get weak.
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: Sometimes just because my knees buckle, don't mean I'm a
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: completely fold yeah yeah, so yeah, And just discerning the
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: voice of God, going to that topic, just discerning the
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: voice of God, knowing that there are moments where we
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: try to say we try to like put it on God,
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: when it's really like the Lord's like, it's a human thing.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: I want you to deal with it.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: So there's the divine spirit, there's jamonic spirit, and there's
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: human spirit. And there are some things like even an
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: example that that survey questionnaire that I set my friends,
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: the Lord didn't tell me to do that.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: That was all human. But did the Lord speak to
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: me through it? Absolutely? But that was a decision of me.
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: And I say that to said, I think sometimes we
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: get in sticky situations with relationships and connections and we say, oh,
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: it's God, but is it God or is it just
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: a human thing? And maybe the Lord is speaking through that?
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: So yeah, no, that's no. You said a lot there. First,
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: let's go I'm gonna go back to the honor and
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: system of the of the friendship. I think that when
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: you make a decision on who's gonna be down, that
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: decision got residue on it. It's gonna resolve itself into
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: because you I'm gonna speak why honest, she ain't the
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: only friend I didn't hate it out will be Okay,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: like she ain't the only friend. But the beautiful thing
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: about it is that I can say I got a
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: success rate in that. And being that that, God makes
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: it clear who's supposed to be in the inner circle. Yeah,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: because sometimes we put people in the inner circle and
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: they not, we be mad at God because we placed
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: them there.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: And we're talking about the humanity.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: But God even used that, like uses that to show
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: you why and show you what you don't want and
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: what you don't need and what you don't need need
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: to digest. And so even going to the discermon part,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: I love how you said that, even in my humanity,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: God can use that to even pour into that. And
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: so before we get too deep into discernment, can we
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: can you explain what discernment is, what it looks like,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: and give us some practicality on what it is, because
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: folks look like the church old Lordie words and we
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: don't some folks don't know what they were talking about.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: And it's getting heightened even the more because it's needed.
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: Right, but.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: The Bible calls.
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: It as the gift of discerning of spirits, and discerning
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: is literally being able to judge righteously and not only
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: does the Church love this word discernment, but the world
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: loves the word discernment. And then you kind of look
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: at those within the New Age community who's kind of
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: taken hold of this word, and that I would say
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: there is a differentiation between their discernment and how the
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: church folks see it as far as their discernment, because
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: with New Age, the discernment is leaning upon another spirit, right,
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: and it's more of a natural thing.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: Where we talk.
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: About the gift of discerning of spirits, it's unnatural, it's supernatural.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: And it is directly from God.
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: It's hearing the voice of God and being able to
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: judge righteously. This is simple as judging should I I
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: eat this eat at this restaurant or should I go
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: to another restaurant down the street.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Being able to judge righteousness righteously.
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: This is looking at a coworker and they smile in
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: your face, but you can discern what's behind that smile, yeah, right,
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: And being able to judge righteously, Because it's one thing
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  Speaker 4: to judge demonically where we are are putting condemnation on someone,
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  Speaker 4: but it's another thing too. I can see that I
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  Speaker 4: can discern it and judge righteously, and I can listen
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  Speaker 4: to the voice of God of how I need to
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: navigate through this thing. So short and sweet, discerning of
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: spirit or the discernment is judging righteously.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: So one of the trigger words with people is the
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: word judge. Yeah, and when you think about judge, judging
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: the folks, the folks, I'm gonna just say what the
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: folks be saying.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Bring the folks be saying that.
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  Speaker 1: We don't supposed to judge. I've even said we don't
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: suppose to judge. What does that scripture actually mean? Because
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: I know you be reading so bipically.
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  Speaker 4: We are not to judge those that are in the world.
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: Right they are in the world. In other words, it's
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: expected of them, right that hold up? Yeah, no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 4: because we got to make that part clear. It's expected
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: for the world to be the worst. So when we
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: judge righteously, righteous judgment is for the people that have
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: deemed themselves. If you are professing that you follow Christ,
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: then therefore you have opened yourself to judgment. One of
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: the titles of the Lord is he is.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: A judge that that that is who he is, and
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: we are created in his image.
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: Right be holy, for I am holy, He is holy,
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: He is a holy judge. We are to be a
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: replica of Him in the earth, so we are also
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: to judge. So if you profess that you are a believer,
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: absolutely I have the right to judge. Absolutely. I'm gonna
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: use the word of God because this is what you
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: also profess that you use. But those are in the world, No,
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: we don't judge them. Can we discern? Absolutely, But it's
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: the discerning of judging, and discerning is different than putting
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: judgment on someone.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: Right, I'm not. I don't.
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: I shouldn't condemn the world. Right, I should not put
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: judgment on the world because I expect it.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: You don't know. It's like a little baby, you didn't know. Yeah, right.
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: But those that are in christ or profess to be Christians,
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: because we got a lot of Christians or a lot
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: of people who profess to be Christian when they're actually
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: really the world. But they get into judgment and they
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: don't understand it. But you profess that you were this.
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: So this is why I'm using the Word of God,
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: because you said that you can be a Christian and
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: do this, But the Word says something different. So I'm
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: gonna judge that righteously.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: That's so, and that's the righteous judgment. Judgment right now, Bree,
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: I didn't experienced some stuff is like judgment righteously. And
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: you're saying that you're judging righteous, but you're really judging
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  Speaker 1: out of your flesh. And so I think, what's something
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: that you just said that does your judgment match up
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: with the word. So, now that's where the discernment comes
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  Speaker 1: back in. That's why it's so. I think this is
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: so good. That's why it's so important for us to
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: be in our word for ourselves. So when I know
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: I'm being judged righteously, I can righteously receive. Absolutely absolutely,
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: I can righteously receive. So now I understand that I'm
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: not being judged from a place what's that word that's
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: the opposite of convicted, condemned. I'm not being condemned, but
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: I am being convicted. And this is an open door
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: if I have a relationship with you, like I told
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: you the woman, God ain't got no problem with tell
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: me just no, just no. Okay. However, I can take
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: it from a place where it is coming from the
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: heart of God. Oh that is so good, and the
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: heartbeat of God.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Is his words righteous.
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: And you said something that made me think, which is true,
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: Like there is such a thin line.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: Between the gift of discerning spirit and judgment. Though that's so,
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: it is there.
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: There have been many times where I either thought I
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: was discerning because my gift works, but I really yeah,
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: I had picked up something, but I was also judging
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: out of what I picked up. And there were times
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: where I thought I was judging when no, I was
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: really just discerning.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: So it is staying.
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: This is why this gift is supernatural, because it comes
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: from the Holy Spirit, and you have to be connected
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: to the Holy Spirit in order to really.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Operate it in the love.
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: Right, So even when I'm discerning and I may not
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: discern something pretty, but I still have to show.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: The love of God in my concerning.
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: I still have to see the gold and the God
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: in that person despite what I discern.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: Right, And that's the gift of discerning of spirit.
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: It operates in the Holy Spirit, which is one of
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: the fruit is love.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: It's love. I love that you said. I appreciate that
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: you said that because we have we have people that
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: are well known that will call out, oh, I'm discernment
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: and I'm giving the word of the Lord and now,
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: and it's very aggressive, and we utilize the tone of well,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: Jesus flipped over tables, and get I get that.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: I get that. We use one.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: Serrecenario where Jesus flipped over the table to justify the
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: presentation of the discernment. However, and I love the fact
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: that you brought I still the how I do it
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: and how I deliver it still matters because I think
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: people miss it. I think people have the opportunity to
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: miss what God is saying because of how it's being delivered.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: So I love the face that you even said there
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: was a thin line between discernment and judgment because your
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: example of maybe I have somebody at work and I'm
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: discerning this. How do you said something in a recent elpisode, Girl.
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: Well, I say this episode gold Baby, y'all gotta if
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• 41:29
  Speaker 2: This gym that you dropped.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: I've been I've been professing it on everywhere I've been
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: teaching folks. What you said in this specific episode, you
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: were talking about your experience with jealousy. This the line
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: you said is you said, jealousy is perverted admiration.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely, it.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Is breathe So in that in that in that box
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: you have how do I discern what I am doing
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: at the time?
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: How do I know I'm being jealous? How do I
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: know when? How do I how do I how do
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: I test it?
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: So one of the things I was saying is that
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  Speaker 4: if you are not, because there are certain things that
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: the Lord will even though he sees the sin in us,
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: there are certain things that he will wait to say, Okay,
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: I want you to work on that.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: For me, that was jealousy.
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: God saw the fornication, God saw the idolizing of men,
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: all that stuff. He worked on that fornication thing first
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: before he got to the jealousy because I could handle that.
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: Jealousy was not a topic I could handle because there
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: was shame connected to that. That's not something that someone shares.
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: And so when I finally made it to the level
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: of maturity of hearing the voice of God, obeying the
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: voice of God, because that's really where maturity comes from
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: obeying the voice of God. Once I got to that
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: place where he's now ready to talk about a sicky topic,
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: he was able to show. Okay, now you know more
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  Speaker 4: of who you are because you're hearing my voice.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: I want you to see how you view this person.
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: I want you to see that little check in your
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: heart that comes when this person walks in the room.
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: I want you to pay attention to how your body
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: language changes and you shift when someone mentions how good
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: this person is doing. I want you to pay attention
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: to that. And so you start paying attention and you're like,
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: oh wait, what is that? Aha, now you're ready to talk.
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: That's jealousy. You're jealous, right, and so you're jealous, but
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: you really admire this person.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: Let's go to the root of it.
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: You really admire that this person is getting it out
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: in the mood. You really admire that this person keeps going.
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: They don't quit, right, They go after me, they go
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: after my person.
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  Speaker 2: You admire that because that's also a level that you
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: want to be.
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: But because there's an open door there, right of whatever sin,
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: there's an open door, and the enemy has come in
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  Speaker 4: and he's brought in the spirit of jealousy right to
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: pervert and twist and be really a spirit of Leviah
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: thing come in with pride and to turn into twist,
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: And so admiration now turns into red.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: Eyes, and now you're jealous.
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  Speaker 4: And that I learned firsthand that when I opened the
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  Speaker 4: door and allowed Satan to come in and bring jealousy,
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: it always block progress. It always blocked There were people
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: that God wanted me to learn from and to connect with.
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: And it wasn't even for a long duration of season,
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: but just for a moment. But the enemy knew he
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: didn't know everything right, but he also is a spirit,
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: so he discerns very well right, and so he knew
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  Speaker 4: that if I can cut off this thing and pervert it,
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: then what's behind that door.
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  Speaker 2: She won't tap a hole to it.
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: But when the Lord begins to come on, rip it
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  Speaker 4: down and tear it down and say, this is what
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  Speaker 4: you're struggling with.
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  Speaker 2: But we can fix this thing.
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  Speaker 4: I want you to go into your prayer closet and
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: begin to intercede for this person that you're jealous of.
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: And once you start praying for somebody, the jealousy that
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: you thought you had.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: Begins to dwindle away.
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  Speaker 4: I begin when I was jealous of this young lady
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: in her success in business, and I saw that she
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: was desiring a secretary, right, and the Lord say, pray
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: that she get that secretary.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: What, pray that this person get what I want. Pray
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: that they get this.
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: Okay, but look on my prayer, like on my face,
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: praying for this person to get it.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: And she ended up getting And so.
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  Speaker 4: Once you start praying and you allow the Lord to
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: tear that down, love, Come.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: On, now, this is going back to love. I guess
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: that's a theme today we're talking.
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: And you pray that I cannot be jealous of you
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: and pray success for you at the same time.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: I can't do it. And so the Lord was tearing
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: that down off of me.
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: And as he was tearing it down, it's like going
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: back to this leviath and thing of the road to
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: Damascus and Paul, Well Saul who became Paul. The skills
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: dropped from his eyes when he saw the glory of God.
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  Speaker 2: Right, this is the same way.
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  Speaker 4: When I begin to pray and listen to the voice
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: of God and obey him and praying for this person
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: that I was once jealous of the skills begin to drop,
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: and I'm like, I can learn from this person. The
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: whole time the enemy was trying to blind me right
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: and pride and jealousy, but this is actually someone where
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: I see the glory of God so much so that
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: there's something that God can do in this connection.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: So no, you are, You're speaking so good.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: Before I forget, you brought up the spirit of love
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: Leviath Leviath thing.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: Can you explain this?
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So Levia thing has talked about in Isaiah as
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: well as Job, but it really is highlighted more in
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: the Book of Job, and it talks about how Leviathed
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: is kind of pictured eyes as this crocodile, or you
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: can see it pictured as a dragon, but it talks
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: about the scales and how the scales are so strong,
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: and how Leviathan has these horns and this Leviathan it
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: talks about in the last chapter, I think it's maybe
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: joke forty or forty one, I'm not sure, but at
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: the last line of it, it says something about the
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: King of Pride, right, and it talks about that Leviathan
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: is so strong, this King of Pride, that no one
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: can fight against it and win in other words, you
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: can't fight against pride and pride because you're gonna lose
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: every time. The only way to beat pride if you
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: walk in the humility of Christ before you. Right, that's
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: the only way. And Leviathan has so many components. The
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: chief is pride, but it has so many like outlooks.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: One of the things is it twists.
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: Conversation, right, And so you're talking with a friend or
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: a romantic partner or even a coworker and you're expressing something,
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: but they twist the words.
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  Speaker 2: Then has come in and.
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: Blocked pride, blocked their ears their eyes to where they
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: can't really hear what you were really saying, and it
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: becomes twisted. And so Levia think a lot of times
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  Speaker 4: comes to break relationships.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, girl, you just first of all, you just learn
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  Speaker 1: me something. Thinking of all, we got to tap into that.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: So let's use the example that you just use in relationships. Right,
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: So me as a believer, what's my response, Like, I
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: have a genuine genuineness. I've been I'll be honest, I've
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: been coming against it a lot lately, and I didn't
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: have language for.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: It, and I felt like.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: Very frustrated like that for a long time, I've dealt
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: with the idea of being misunderstood. Yeah, and maybe a
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: lot of people can relate to that, but I've been misunderstood,
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: and so that's one reason why I shut down and
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: I'll just be in my head.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: And when I get in.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: My head, I revert back to isolation. Isolation causes depression.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: Depression causes uh, you know, just it's just all I
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: feel like I've just digged myself deeper all in would
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: in my mind, I'm like I tried, I tried to communicate.
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: I tried to do this, but it's like you ain't
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: here nothing that I just said, like you're not in it.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: And then now I revert back to the West side
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: of Birmingham, Jessica, and I'm cles. Now I'm reverting back
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: to the horses and you bringing singer Hello, whoa, oh
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: my go up, bye bye. I'm so glad she was there.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: Jesus she didn't seen her. So now I'm reverting back
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: to that place. I need some advice, sins how I
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: deal How do I deal with that? What if I'm
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: not gonna win that? If I'm in that type of
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: situation and I'm talking to somebody and are not receiving
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: me in that manner, that Spirit of Leviathan is showing
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: up even using discernment. I'm glad we're talking about these
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: What's my role in it? What do I need to do?
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: Absolutely so, the Bible speaks a lot, and Jesus speaks
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: a lot about humility. It is a part of the
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: fruit of the spirit. And he says that he will
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: humble those that raise themself up, and then he will
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: lift those up that are humble.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: And so.
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: You cannot beat pride with pride. You cannot beat Leviathan
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: with Leviathan. You have to go the opposite, which is
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: a lot how the Kingdom of God works. Right, If
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: pride is there, the only way to trumpet is humility.
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: And so going into those conversations, which what I have done,
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: literally praying against the spirit of Leviathan, but also asking
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: the Holy Spirit to come on me with great humility.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: And then there's a book called The Bait of Satan,
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: and it talks about waiting for an opportunity, right, watching
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: for an opportunity, and it talks about it as far
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: as like reconnecting there may not be reconnection doesn't always
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: happen immediately. Sometimes we gotta wait for the opportunity. And
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: so if someone is still operating in Chief Pride, King
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: of Pride, and you may be ready to have that
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: conversation in humility, but if that you have to discern
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: is this the right window to have that conversation. I
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: may want it immediately, but is this the right window?
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: And it may not be the right window. And sometimes
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: you gotta wait for that window to crack open some more.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: Okay, I got questions.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: I got questions because she in my lane right now.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: I hope y'all get somebody these because I'm getting mine
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: right now.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: So I question.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: As I'm discerned. Okay, I hear you, Holy Spirit, I
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: hear you. So as I'm waiting and I'm trying to discerns.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: It's different when it's like things with people that you
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: like don't do lifelip, but it's a pain point. For
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: when it's like people like you really love, bloodlines, close friends,
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: it hit different. It hit different, okay, and so what
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: do I do with that? Like, because I'm a wall person.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: My therapist just said this to me the other day.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: She was like, Jessica, you you create walls where And
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: we got to learn boundaries because you.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: Either fulling you know that about me?
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know a middle How do how do I
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: learn it? Just like what what are my what are
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: my my points? My steps that I need to take
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: to learn that? Because obviously there needs to be a
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: boundary so I can protect well.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: And this is the language just because correct my language.
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm protecting me because I'm emotionally invested and I'm
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: losing myself. I don't want to be westside of Birmingham,
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: Jessica in those moments you know what I'm saying and
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: mismanaging God's name because people know me as a woman
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: of God. People know that I love Jesus. And when
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: I have those moments, it don't it don't look like Jesus.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: I ain't gonna lie. It don't look like him.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: So now I'm embarrassed that I've embarrassed the Lord or
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  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like all these thoughts. So
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: how do I adjust and make these boundaries to where
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: I could still I know there still needs to be
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: changed there for that person, but navigating that relationship in
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: that moment, because now I want to talk about it
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: and you don't want to talk about it.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: So I heard two things.
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: One of the things I heard is give yourself grace
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: and compassion. Right, giving yourself grace and compassion, and knowing, Okay,
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: I'm still trying to navigate through my own thing.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: I know this person may.
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: Not be ready, but I'm trying to navigate and trying
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: to keep myself cool. But giving yourself grace and patient.
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: And I also saw a vision and I heard the
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: Lord say, let me shepherd you. And how I saw it.
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: You know, the shepherd has their rod, and at the
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: end of that rod, it has a hook that pulls,
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: and so with the Lord and right then I heard
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: let me shepherd you.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: But I saw the pulling.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: And one thing that the Bible talks about is.
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: That God is that good shepherd, and that when a
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: wolf comes, it says the hired man or the higher help,
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: they run when the wolf comes, but the shepherd stays right,
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: and the shepherd has The Lord says that he has
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: a pen right, and he has those basically the Jews right,
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: and the Gentiles, and he says, but there's going to
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: be a time where they all come together in that pen.
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: I'm saying the pen because a pen is representing of
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: a boundary right staying in when we allow the Lord
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: to shepherd us and allowed the Lord to lead us,
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: of when we have those conversations. I feel like the
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: Lord has showed me that image because he's having to
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: remind you, Okay, it's not time yet. You may be
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: rushing to it. It is going to happen, but allow
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: me to pull you back some right, just for the moment.
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: Going back to that window, He's going to allow that
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: pen to open, because that's what a shepherd does. He
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: gives that he opens the pin right for the sheep
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: to roam, but he's always having that hook ready to
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: reel them back in if he sees some danger. And
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: so even just right now, I just send the Lord
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: saying that there will be an opportunity to have those conversations.
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: But I feel like, even connected to that grace and
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: that compassion, he's pulling you back so that he can
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: bestow upon you grace and compassion, so that you can
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: give yourself grace and compassion. And he says, when I'm
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: ready to open that pen so that you can have
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: that heard conversation, that difficult conversation, You'll be ready no
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: matter what their response is because sometimes we will have
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: a conversation. We prepare ourselves for this hard conversation, but
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: people still don't receive it. But Lord, you told me
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: to go you open the pen. I know you open
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: the pen. Yes, I open the pin. But I didn't
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: necessarily say that they were going to receive it. I
• 56:03
  Speaker 4: just wanted you to mature to a level that you
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: could have that conversation and be healed right and not
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: offended despite their response.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: That's it right around. I gotta take I was. I
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: don't know if y'all saw me, but I was definitely
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: taking deep reels.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: I really feel like I was in a healing moment.
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: I had to get up out there real quick because,
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: uh wow, that I know that was the Lord, because
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: I felt a peace. I was breathing deeply. I received that.
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: I hope y'all received that because that just went for me.
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: But that wasn't just for me. So listen, I know,
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: I know we've done a lot of talking, and the
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: high point of this conversation has been the understanding of
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: discernment and learning discernment. I don't think there is enough
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: time for us to go through, but I know you
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: you've been on this Discernment Serial. So for one, y'all
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: go check it out, the Discernment Series. But you also
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: working on a big projects, like a book of.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: I have a book coming out.
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: It's called Discerning the Supernatural, Discerning the Supernatural, and it
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: talks about it's really for those that want to tap
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: greater into that gift, for those that.
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: Know they have this.
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: They don't know how, they just know stuff, but they
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: just know they know it and they want answers.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: I share various experiences throughout.
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: The book, and I share not just those experience of
• 57:35
  Speaker 4: just using your knower, but how God will allow our
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: body right to be a discerning vessel.
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: And I just love that.
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: That's one thing that I've tapped into more that the
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: Lord uses the whole person and he uses our senses
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: right and knowing when to hear the small voices of
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: God and how he speaks. And I wrote the book,
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: but it's still I am still learning about this gift
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: of discern and gift spirits. There's still moments where I'm like, Okay, God,
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: I heard you, but I didn't launch on and it
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: could be something so simple, right.
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: But this this book, it's still good to me. Right,
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: It's just just being.
• 58:16
  Speaker 4: Able to share my experience, my crazy experiences. I have
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: one experience in the book where I talk about someone
• 58:23
  Speaker 4: had recently passed away and I got the news in
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: the middle of the night, went back to sleep, and
• 58:31
  Speaker 4: right before I woke up. I called that stage the
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: in between, where you're half up, half asleep. That's point
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: in time is really really heightened spiritually, and oftentimes I
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: will get images, whether.
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: Divinely or demonically. It's just really a period.
• 58:49
  Speaker 4: And so I was waking up, and as soon as
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: I was in that in between, I had this thought of, man,
• 58:54
  Speaker 4: I can't believe that girl is gone. As soon as
• 58:57
  Speaker 4: I had that thought, y'all, I felt a strong spirit
• 59:01
  Speaker 4: rush into my room, and very strong, and I didn't
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: know exactly what it was. And at first I thought
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: it was the girl that passed away.
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: I was like, Lord, she's going to be in my room.
• 59:13
  Speaker 4: I just got to prepare myself to see her like
• 59:15
  Speaker 4: that's how strong it was. And as soon because I
• 59:17
  Speaker 4: sleep with a cover of my head, so as soon
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: as I was about to get ready for that, I
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: felt this press on me, like literally weighing down, and
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: instantly I knew this is not this girl, this is
• 59:29
  Speaker 4: a demonic spirit. The sleep paralysis right, weighing down on me,
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: can't say anything, and so I'm praying in the spirit.
• 59:37
  Speaker 4: And then finally when I get up, I'm like, oh,
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: you mess with the wrong.
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: But for so long I.
• 59:45
  Speaker 4: Did not know what that was until I actually shared
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: that experience with a friend and she was like, that
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: was an open door, right, And somewhere within me there
• 59:54
  Speaker 4: was an open door that granted that. And it simply
• 59:58
  Speaker 4: could have been a familiar spirit, right, a familiar spirit,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 4: and that for because I knew some things that that
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: young lady struggled with for anicasion, right, same thing of lust, perversion,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: same thing that's that could have been the thing that
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: allowed that to come on in. And Babe, I was like,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 4: I have never had anything like this, but I discerned
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: that spirit. And I have those moments sometimes where I
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 4: will kind of it happened to me in hotels too,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 4: where I'm feeling something and I'm like, I don't know
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 4: what it is, but I'm like, I'm literally like being
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: able to turn my head because i feel like I'm
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: going to see someone. So I absolutely love the gift
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 4: of discerning and spirit.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: It is a blessing.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: I love all the four different streams, right, but the
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 4: God has honed me in on this gift of discerning
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 4: gift spirits, and I think because it's so needed during
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 4: this time. Right we are we know the church. We
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: always say we get the last days and we are right.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 4: But before we get to that final judgment day, there
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 4: are more things that come. And we know about the
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 4: false prophets and pastors and all these stuff. Our gift
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: is needed to be heightened, and we can't do it
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 4: on our own. This is not something that we can
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 4: do a little sage and figure out what the Lord
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 4: is saying.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: No, we have to be connected to him.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 4: And the best way to grow in the gift of
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: discerning of spirit is to read your word.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: The Bible says that what is it.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: The word of God is sharper than any two edges
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 4: sword rightfully, but divide in between joint and maroral, heart
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 4: and soul right And it says it can discern the
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: heart of or it concerned the heart of a man
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 4: and its thoughts, intentions right. And so the Word of God,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 4: in other words, is not just this sharp sword, but.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: It is a gift. It is the gift of discerning
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: of spirits.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: I know it may sound crazy that you reading first
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 4: Timothy is going to help you discern. But it is
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 4: going to help you discern because you're gonna walk and
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 4: be built up in the word and the voice of God.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: So you'll be able to recognize when he says, that's
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: not where I want to send you to work.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: That's that. Don't even do the interview. That's not where
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: I'm sending you.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 4: Right, you will be able because of your learning his voice, right.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: That not even just the voice. While you were talking,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: I heard that you're learning the language. Come on, you're learning.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: You're learning the language. It's like me going to another country. Yeah,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: this is foreign. Being a Christian is foreign to us.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: Like if we really think about it, being a Christian
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: and following God is foreign.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: It's foreign territory. But when we make.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: It so much soul sais that it's like, oh, I
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: walk with Jesus. At some point that was foreign to you.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: At some point you was not that declaring a citizenship
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: in the kingdom. I feel like running like we because
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: now how do I learn the language of God? I
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: read his I read his word because that's his language.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: And now how do I discern what's Spanish and what's English. Now,
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: if I'm never in you know what I'm saying. If
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: we're never in the culture of the thing and we
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: don't put ourselves there, we don't study to show ourself
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: approve of you.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: We don't do that. We don't get to ask for a.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: Spirit to where God would be like, oh, well, no,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: you're not finna pimp the spirit because you don't know
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: how to manage it.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: Well, So now I'm learning the language.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: Now, I'm learning the customs of God through learning the world,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: And I think that's where we want the gift of something,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: but we don't want what it takes to manage it. Yes,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: So I'm so glad you said Regio word because you
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: got to keep the best so pure. You got to
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: keep the best so pure.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: That's so good.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: Delaray listen, desiray over there, go ahead and let the
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: folks know what you're thinking about. They want to see
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: you again, what you're thinking about? You know, just does
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: a ray is a whole ball of wisdom?
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 4: Not girl? Wait, I don't know which episode was you
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 4: were like, I love bringing up the age difference, I
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 4: love bringing up.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: No. I was just sitting like I just love what
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: I get to do, Like I just get to sit
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: and listening lean and literally as I'm sitting at each part,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: because y'all went from this part to this part and
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: this part, I'm like yep, and like the whole spirit
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: is just kind of like just reminding you know me.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: And as we talked about, there are some areas too
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: that he has been bringing up about even even this morning,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: I've seen a couple of you know, as you're scrolling,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: you see engagements, you know, baby announcements and all those things,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: and really it's like, oh yeah, but then I have
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: to like take a moment to really be like what
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: what's this though, Like what's this thing sitting like right
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: here and I and those are the kind of conversations
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: that me and gotta have. And now it's like he's
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: working on these little bitty spots. That's I've come through
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: some things, and there's some things that you know, we've
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: we've worked on, but there's still a few little pieces
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: that that, uh, that I gotta get, you know, And
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: so just being self aware and just being open knowing
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: that you know, he's not trying to hurt you or
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: anything like that. He's really just trying to help us
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: become who we already are. But the world, you know,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: us journey along has put some things in our hearts,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: you know. So it's has been really good, like Breeze,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: just a ball of wisdom, Like I've I've actually listened
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: to some of the some of the some of your series,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: you know, and there's some things, you.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: Know, like like.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: Like Jessica said, like when you're in a new space,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: like there's things that you just don't know. So there's
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: a lot of things that I may be feeling or
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: or thinking I just don't have the language for, you know,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: And so I'm just grateful that when I get the language.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: It's like the revelation, It's like, ah, okay, so I'm
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: not okay. So this has just been really good and
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: really rich, you know what I'm saying.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: And I know there's probably some some language that you guys,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: as you're listening, you may not fully know or fully understand.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: But that's the part about studying, Like hey, now you
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: can seek you can ask hey, what does this mean?
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: Like like is this something that I need to be
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: worried about? Is this something that you're trying to show me?
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: Something.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: And that's the beauty about what we get to do
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: is we get to offer people something new, something different
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: to help them along their their journeys as well.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: So thank you.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Brea is a bollow whist on hand and listen.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: I get to do life we like for this episode.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: Ain't got nothing on the life.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: Okay, listen. It's just a little piece.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: And I'm so honored that she is willing to like
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: be open and transparent with me. I don't know, but
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: I ain't If I ain't said it before, you need
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: to go follow the woman guy, because we talked about
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: this series. This is just this is just a chrome
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: of what she's releasing, y'all. And so yeah, I'm promoting, promoting.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: When we get the books, the physical book, it's gonna
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: be here either.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Am she gonna be back after I read it.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: It's like, okay, let's go into this or whatever so
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: you will see her again. But Brie, I want to
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: talk to Rick and see you. Thank you, thank you
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: for what Alls's like. She came in here with flowers, y'all,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: Like she's just in the embodiment of what to honor
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: the relationship and then to be happy, like she just
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: she's just genuinely happy for what's going on as as
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: just a friend, not even just as a friend, as
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: a community member. Like she's one of the friends that
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: I can we can I can call and be like,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: what you think about this episode and not even have
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: to ask her have you watched the episode? Like I
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: can assume that she didn't seen it on YouTube. But
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: I want to say thank you. But you already know
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: what time it is. You already know what time it is.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: It's about the end this and you already know how
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: we end it. So if they did not hear anything
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: that you said, what is the one thing that you
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: want to leave with the people?
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 4: Yes, I think the one thing that I want to
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 4: leave is unlock who you are by diving deeper into God.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: We talked about so many different things and it bundles
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 4: up into I think Des already said it best of
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 4: just awareness, right awareness and discerning awareness in okay, what
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 4: am I feeling?
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: Awareness in my identity?
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 4: Unlock whatever thing you want to tap in, whatever thing
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 4: that we said in conversation that you want to tap in.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 4: It all unlocks with your connection with God, right, unlocking
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 4: the supernatural. It starts with your connection with God, unlocking
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 4: these these hidden places that like almost are like a
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 4: spiritual attic or a spiritual basement that God needs to
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 4: go in. It starts with you unlocking right your relationship
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 4: with God. And so I think that's the one thing
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 4: that I would leave, like wherever angle you felt on
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 4: this this episode, it starts with and in with because
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 4: he is the author and finish her up our faith.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 4: It comes from unlocking our relationship with him and knowing
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 4: that he wants you like God is a lover you
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 4: hear me, and he wants to love you down. Okay,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 4: he wants to love you down, to unlock that because
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 4: he's waiting for you. And I even just see like
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 4: just saying that, like he's waiting for his bride.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: We are his bride. He's waiting for us at the altar.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: I do I do too, Listen, He's waiting for her
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  Speaker 2: because for us at the altar.
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  Speaker 1: She she didn't give y'all a little nigga, we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: the woman of God gonna have to pray on it
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  Speaker 1: would give me a little she bringing it up.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's time for another retreat.
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  Speaker 1: So that's what she's that's what she's referring to, but
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  Speaker 1: if you stay connected with the community, you'll find that.
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  Speaker 2: Awesome. Wellbrie, thank you so much. This has been another
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  Speaker 2: gim does it? Ray you already know what it is.
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  Speaker 1: Love girl all right, and y'all thank you so much
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  Speaker 1: for chilling with us. I hope you guys received what
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  Speaker 1: you needed from this episode. But until next time, until
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  Speaker 1: next week, remember life could be much more simple if
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  Speaker 1: but until then, remember to love always yourself and always thank.
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  Speaker 3: Thank God for one another day. Hey, Hey, I know
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  Speaker 3: we could be another way. Hey, pray thank God for
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  Speaker 3: another day. Hey hey, I'm just thankful for another day.
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  Speaker 3: Another day, Oh, another day wise, another day to get
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  Speaker 3: it right, another day to rise up, another day living,
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  Speaker 3: another day We loved ones. I always remember hold it
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