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KNICKS 114, PACERS 113: Reaction with Mike Rich & Grant Shouse (2.116.2) · The Central Indiana Sports Report

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[SPEAKER_00]: You are listening to a special edition of The Paces Report.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mike Riches and Grant Shouts' reaction to The Paces, 114-13 loss to the New York Nix on Thursday night.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's only on the Central Indiana Sports Report.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back Pacers fans to the Central Indian Sports Report for a special edition of the Pacers Report with Mike Rich, and today guest Grant Shouse, our IU guy caught the Pacers game tonight and wanted to come on and talk a little bit about the Pacers and Nix.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 114, 113 New York Nix victory on Jalen Bronson's 3 pointer in the final seconds, Pacers had a chance to win.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and it could not take advantage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they fall to 6 and 21, losing to the next always sucks, Mike.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, this is the one game.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You hope they come out.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's a great first quarter, shitty second quarter, decent third quarter, horrible start to the fourth quarter.
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[SPEAKER_05]: To be up 16 in the second half
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[SPEAKER_05]: Let that slip away.
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[SPEAKER_05]: They just can't let those leads slip away, especially like this is a game.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Any game you want to win, any game I fan wants to see them win is this game.
1:30
[SPEAKER_05]: So just another heartbreaker they were in at the entire game and then I did feel like they were going to win.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I texted you like at the end of the game, said I was going to be pissed by the time we did this podcast and that's exactly what I am watching them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but the good news and there's two two good news is Mike one is we won when it counted last year and the year before so they can have a regular season when anytime and also every loss helps with the draft silver lining playbook that you have that's a very nice grade when when season man
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[SPEAKER_05]: in the game for a little bit, but they can put a good three quarters together, but they just can't finish.
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[SPEAKER_05]: They can't hold on to anything.
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[SPEAKER_05]: They don't have anybody that can close out of game.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I could, I get told you exactly how the game was going to end if I knew it was going to be that close to the end.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I knew Bronson was going to have the ball.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He was going to score and go ahead and then we were going to lose, but
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why you can't be upset with them losing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's look, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They got Quentin Jackson who's supposed to be playing for the boom in the starting lineup.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're playing Tommy Bradley and some dude named Matthews and some dude named Thompson.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they got a guy on the bench named McGloath and I've never heard of.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the way I'm watching this game, guys, is...
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[SPEAKER_00]: Pascal Siakim is the best he's ever been right now, especially in the fourth quarter he was incredible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Andrew Nimhard may be the best he's ever been right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when you throw those two guys together with the other core that are going to be back, this is going to be a really good team grant.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know, back to your point of
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[SPEAKER_03]: like every loss helps you for the draft.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It no question does, but at some point, you do want to see them pull one out every once in a while.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Tonight would have been a nice one to do that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But you always want to beat the next, you want to beat the buck, you want to beat the cash, you want to beat the closer teams, more of the rivals, the pistons, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: If this was one of those,
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[SPEAKER_03]: random Monday night games against like the pelicans or the kings or something and they lost like this there you're just going to help you for the draft and and you kind of feel that way tonight, but you still want to win.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is a really good draft class I haven't been able to come on here and talk about this draft class that's going to be coming theory, but I watch a lot of college basketball.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And the players in college right now are insanely good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And the pasters are going to get a good draft pick.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's the back of everybody's mind.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm sure you guys have talked about it on the pasters report is that think about when you get the good draft pick, whether it be like AJ debons or one of these other great players in the draft, and then you get him to pair with
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hopefully you get the outcome back.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Nam hard, math, or in, you get these guys back.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They're going to be a pretty dang good team next year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So you'll take this weird season where you have a shorter off season because you played as as many games as you possibly could have in the NBA season.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You went to game seven in the finals last year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm
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[SPEAKER_03]: You'll take kind of this weird in between season where you don't have your franchise player.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're playing with a lot of guys that are going to fluctuate between the boom and the spacers that are driving back and forth between Novelsville and downtown Indy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You'll take that, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's only going to help you for the future.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's going to be a fun next few years, I think.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to look back on a game like this and not even really, you know, bad and eye because I think they're going to be good next year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I still think this team is is good now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like I think they have the pieces to be a really good team.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They just can't close games and when you can't close games, obviously, you're not going to win, but like you turn the ball over there, silly there at the end, we're siaka, mosses footing and
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[SPEAKER_03]: The thing is, is that you would have just liked to have a chance there to get a look, to get a shot, and you turn it over.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You can't do that in a waning seconds.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Grant, you're the college guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I do want to talk about some of these players here in just a second, but I want to go through a little bit of the box score and talk a little bit more about this game real fast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Number one, Andrew Nimhard was incredible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He scored 31 points on 19 shots.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was four for five from the three point line.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He had four assists and just two turnovers was completely in control.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As I said, Pascal Siakum had a really ugly start to this game could not hit anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Still wound up with 26.63 pounds, five assists, three steals two blocks and Quentin Jackson, who I mentioned, was
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[SPEAKER_00]: started the game tonight had a really nice night and looks like he might be a guy who might be a future contributor off the bench for this franchise.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So some positives.
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[SPEAKER_05]: If we're focusing on reaction, you're, you're, I'm struggling to find positive.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It was like, I think Nymard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's good.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Good.
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[SPEAKER_05]: See, Dr. Mennemard.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I see that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, give me a second.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Let me respond.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I think Nymard had a hell of a game.
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[SPEAKER_05]: The inside game is, is horrible.
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[SPEAKER_05]: There's, there's no offensive rebounding.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You've got huff over five again, shooting the three pointer, and he should be
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[SPEAKER_05]: We have no second chance opportunities because there's nobody rebounding.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you're talking about guys who aren't even going to be part of this franchise.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, they're.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We're talking about this season and I, yeah, I'm optimistic, but I think we're a long ways from where we were last year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: because we're playing Jay Huff and Tony Bradley and Harrison Matthews and Ethan Thompson.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And you got your plan a next team that's down heart.
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[SPEAKER_05]: They're down towns.
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[SPEAKER_05]: They're down McBride.
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[SPEAKER_05]: They're just as banged up as we are.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And okay, they're also playing for some and they're playing at home and they can't win.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And they're going to get beat by the Pelicans next.
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[SPEAKER_05]: and then we're going to get lucky to get a lottery and we'll be at the bottom.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that one of the first worst four records in the league, they're going to have a top six pick.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We'll be six.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there we go.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And we'll end up with someone like Jerry's walker.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Let's talk about him.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Horrible.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What was he the six pick?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Bunondick Milder was awful.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Somebody had to be good.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And you're absolutely right.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm the best season of his career.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Nymhardt, I thought Nymhardt played fantastic, but the two of them just aren't enough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, they're the only two on this roster who are gonna be a major factor on the team next year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, Benedict Matherin is not going to be a pacer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, clumshack is not going to be contributing to the pacers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jay Huffa fees on the pacers next year is going to be coming off the bench as a three-point shooting specialist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Isaiah Jackson, Jaris Walker, they are not part of the plans as far as I can tell.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what's going to be right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The guys who are going to be there were great.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You got to get your guys who are going to be on the team were great.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You got to get your miles turner for a year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We have that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Jay Huff.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Now thank you.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Same player.
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[SPEAKER_05]: They're the exact same player.
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[SPEAKER_05]: When you, when you give the opposition, the opportunity to have the offensive rebound and score at the times of their scoring because your freaking center is dittling around at the three points.
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[SPEAKER_00]: over five tonight from the three point line.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I did we'll say this yet in rebounds for a more on the offensive in but he's a horrible rebounder.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like him as a backup center who can come off for a change of pace.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But they're going to need to address the center position for sure.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And we knew that going into this season.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I think that they were going to have to address the center position.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And don't get me wrong.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm optimistic for 26, 27, and
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[SPEAKER_05]: difficult to watch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a little frustrating, but I can, I always watch it with an eye on the future.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like we did a few years ago when they had a high draft pick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The good thing about this is Grant, even with the sixth pick of the draft next year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If that's the word, if that's the best they end up doing, they're going to get a really good player to go along with this core.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And just looking at some mock drafts here, well, you guys for talking, you kind of forget about some of the guys that are in there, like Darren Petersen, who seems to be, that's just number one pick.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The pace just got the number one pick.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's hard to pass him up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But you have other guys in this class, like AJ DeBondson from BYU, who is the hell of a player.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Caleb Wilson, North Carolina, would be a great addition
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[SPEAKER_03]: Love him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Imagine pairing him out there with him in Siakim and letting Siakim take him under his winging and and developing and making a player.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm telling you that's that's going to pay off.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then again, the healthy haliburton.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know we've already talked about it, but the healthy haliburton next year is going to be so crucial to the scene.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's going to take the 26th of
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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't think that's true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's going to be feeding once the summer comes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I agree.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I agree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I disagree.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I disagree.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I, he's not going to get up to.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He's not going to have the longest for it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He's going to take him a while to get his place underings.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The plan has been to start as soon as the season ends.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And to ramp up and play all summer because it's 365 days and you're full clear there and he should be in great shape by the time the season comes and ready to go by the
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[SPEAKER_05]: I still think it'll take time to build the chemistry with whoever's there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Mike and I have been beaten down by the Pacers clearly over the years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't tell.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the worst with everything.
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[SPEAKER_05]: No, it's just I told you before we even got on this call.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to be pissed off because we got beat by the next.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I hate the next.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't blame you, man.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And I can't I can't I don't care if somebody scored 50 points for the Pacers.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I would not be happy about this loss.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And I think that's what it is, it's the next and I'm not optimistic after this and that's just going to continue to have a really rough season to watch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, Grant, let's talk about some of the other guys who will be available, even if they don't get a top three pick in the draft.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You didn't even mention Cameron Booser, who is now a very good NBA player.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A very good NBA player at the very least.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Michael Brown from Louisville at point guard has been incredible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He probably don't want another point guard, but still.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nate Ament from Tennessee has been really good as a freshman.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He looks like one of the guys most ready to compete right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and then co-opete at Arizona has been leading that team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 15 points of game as a freshman and all these guys have franchise player written all over them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just it's so loaded isn't it this is going to be one of the like we said one of the better draft classes of of the last few years maybe.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know about the decade, but there's been some decent draft classes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This one seems to just be a little different.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Any of those players would think would be great.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But like you said, you don't want another point guard.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like when you get halibut and you'll have McConnell fully ready to go, and even if you sign someone, I just don't know that you need three potential capable starting point guards.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And they get a kind of a slasher can get to the rim, rim protector, like a Caleb Wilson.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think Caleb Wilson and Cameron Booser fit that, fit that mold pretty good, even AJ
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[SPEAKER_03]: really, really good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And my opinion, I'd like to have debons over all of them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Number one player in his recruiting class, place at BYU, he's got BYU's a top-send team this year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's been a heck of a player so far.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I would just, he's one that stands out to me, but if come draft night, they draft Caleb Wilson or Cameron Booser, if they get one of those top picks, then I'm not going
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[SPEAKER_00]: Things are set up for this franchise.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've talked about it on here grant, but Bill Simmons and Zach Low talked about the most fun teams to watch and his Mike mentioned.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Pacers were number 31 at a 32 on their most fun to watch list.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're probably not wrong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But they also mentioned that this was the best tank situation since the spurs and Tim Duncan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... i think they're right i think they've this is that they've been robbing some who was injured and they stunk and they got them done can go along with them and it seems like that's what the pacers are headed toward and that ended up with what five championships yeah and run and a hall of fame coach and you've got a i don't know how you guys feel about this the i think you got a future all-off
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just don't know if there was some.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So I might be mad, but I'm not that might be frustrating, but I. Yeah, I'm not delusional.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's not perfect, but he's better than half of the coaches already in the whole thing.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's really good and it's so hopefully they can this is a no question a dream tanks situation and again You knew it was gonna be like this kind of yeah, you didn't expect this team without your franchise guide It come out and just rail everybody again and and win clutch games all the time like you did in the play off and play close games Good down the stretch.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You knew it was gonna be like this the entire season
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[SPEAKER_05]: now I disagree with that because I didn't think they were going to be this bad.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I thought they were going to be a lot more competitive.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But I think injuries played a big part.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, he's missing top in and more three weeks.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, yeah, things and I I was off to mistakes that they would at least make the playoffs and it too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And honestly, I believe that if they had been healthy, they probably would have.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think competitive for that spot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But like I said, you're playing guys who have no business in the NBA, and even if you're playing them only 10, 12 minutes a game, because you have to fill in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a lot of time for guys who don't belong on an NBA court.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now granted, Mike mentioned the nicks had that to the nicks really had a bunch of guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A G league guys
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[SPEAKER_00]: No idea.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're guessing they're taking their time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right now, Andrew, or Zerva, says like December 26th, but... Because that's not you tank without asking your players to tank.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Keep him healthy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I, and... Like I said, it's a win-win season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When they win, it's great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It shows the development when they lose.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's better for the draft.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just... Mike, this one is the one you really wanted and it's one that they had.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's the thing they had.
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[SPEAKER_05]: From the start, that first quarter, I was like all right.
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[SPEAKER_05]: New York came off that extra game.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We had the rest, we had the time to prepare for it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We were competitive until the end.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And an unforced air at the end and a turn over.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's just not what you want to see when I would have just liked to have seen a shot go up with 4.4 seconds left.
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[SPEAKER_05]: and had a shot go up instead of the turnover.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I think that's probably the best for me off the most.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I agree, Mike.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, guys, we will talk again on Monday for the Pacers Report.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about the Pelicans game and we will preview the Boston Celtic game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Celtics, by the way, also lost their player and they have one of the best records in the NBA.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's interesting how that's worked out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure seems like one's gonna have a good one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: guys, thanks so much, always appreciate it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Grant, thanks for being a guest and thank you, Grant.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, thanks for having me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and I love Susie.