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The Late Debate | 14 August · The Late Debate

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Speaker 1: Lewens General.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Late Debate.
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Speaker 3: It's great to have your company on the Late Debate.
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Speaker 3: I'm James Macpherson with Liz Storer and Caleb Bond.
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Speaker 1: Coming up.
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Speaker 3: A cafe introduces Seagull insurance for Dina's worried about having
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Speaker 3: their food stolen.
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Speaker 1: We'll get to that a bit later.
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Speaker 3: Plus we'll look at what's making news in tomorrow's papers.
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Speaker 3: The Australians featuring a story on Peter Dutton who's calling
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Speaker 3: for arrivals from Gaza to be banned, and football legend
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Speaker 3: in Melbourne runs for the job of mayor.
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Speaker 1: We'll get to all of that a bit later.
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Speaker 3: Let's start tonight with a story about a bunch of
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Speaker 3: bureaucrats who clearly have never worked with children and one
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Speaker 3: miserable parent who should be ashamed. A primary school lollipop
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Speaker 3: man has been banned from high fiving kids over concerns
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Speaker 3: about child safety. Mount Dandenong Primary School crossing supervisor John
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Speaker 3: Gooden has been high fiving kids for the past six years,
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Speaker 3: but the council have told him to cut it out
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Speaker 3: because it's inappropriate. Next they'll be introducing a happiness tax.
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Speaker 4: Have a look what's your favorite thing? Normally about coming
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Speaker 4: across the crossing.
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Speaker 2: Plug came and get their first half five done.
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Speaker 4: For six years, John Gordon has been a crossing supervisor,
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Speaker 4: always welcoming students to Mount dwand in On Primary with
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Speaker 4: his signature greeting. Until last week.
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Speaker 2: He's always high five us from like prepped all the
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Speaker 2: way to grade six and Navety can't. It's kind of
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Speaker 2: a hello.
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Speaker 1: I like that kid. She summed it up well. Now,
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Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty.
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Speaker 3: Teachers and parents have rallied around their lollipop man and
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Speaker 3: organized a petition demanding that he'd be allowed to high
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Speaker 3: five kids again. The parent who organized the petition, Rowan Bradley,
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Speaker 3: told local media, when we roll down the window of
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Speaker 3: our car to give John a high five, the lollipop man,
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Speaker 3: that's John, he said. I'm not allowed to give kids
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Speaker 3: a high five anymore, or call anyone love or sweetheart.
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Speaker 3: I'm in trouble for being too friendly. The parent went
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Speaker 3: on to say, I felt really distressed because I saw
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Speaker 3: the look on my daughter's face immediately when I got home.
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Speaker 3: I created an online petition to gauge other parents' support
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Speaker 3: to bring back the high five. Liz, I agree with
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Speaker 3: this petition. They should bring back the high five. Maybe, if, maybe,
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Speaker 3: if he did a high five with a welcome to country,
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Speaker 3: then Counsel would be okay about it.
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Speaker 5: Indeed, Ron Bradley actually goes on to say that he
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Speaker 5: wanted to start this petition because he wanted to show
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Speaker 5: his daughter how to.
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Speaker 6: Stand up for what is right.
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Speaker 5: He's quoted as saying, I saw this as an opportunity
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Speaker 5: to teach my daughter it's important to stand up for
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Speaker 5: what is right. John brings love and joy to everyone.
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Speaker 5: He puts so much extra effort into his job. The
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Speaker 5: ban feels like an injustice to the community and I
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Speaker 5: loved on three too.
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Speaker 6: W Today a caller called in and revealed.
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Speaker 5: To everyone, sure this would have been a big feather
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Speaker 5: in John's cap that John was actually named Crossing Supervisor
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Speaker 5: of the Year just a month ago. So in your face, counsel,
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Speaker 5: can you believe at a time when our kids have
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Speaker 5: never had worse mental health issues which has been covered
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Speaker 5: at quite a well, We've covered it very thoroughly tonight
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Speaker 5: on the previous shows. At a time when the average
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Speaker 5: age of exposure to pornography in Australia is eight years
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Speaker 5: of age, at a time when we're very aware that
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Speaker 5: they're being radicalized online, those who are most I guess
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Speaker 5: vulnerable to that kind of radicalization by Islamus online. At
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Speaker 5: a time when kids are going through so much that
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Speaker 5: the government seemingly is just doing absolutely nothing about the combat,
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Speaker 5: we're targeting a guy who gives them a high five.
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Speaker 2: I just I cannot get over it. We do so
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Speaker 2: many of these council gone mad stories on this program,
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Speaker 2: and this is why you've got to keep watching, because
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Speaker 2: like you would not hear a lot of these stories,
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Speaker 2: know the madness that was going on if it weren't
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Speaker 2: for the fact that we bring some of these yarns
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Speaker 2: to you. But like, of all the things in the world. Okay,
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Speaker 2: so you're the Yarra Rangers Council. A complaint comes across
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Speaker 2: your desk from some unnamed parent who said, I don't
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Speaker 2: like that the lollipop man is giving the kids high fives.
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Speaker 2: And you go, okay, So who is the lollipop man?
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Speaker 2: John Goulden. Okay, he's been employed for six years doing this.
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Speaker 2: He's a much loved part of the community. He's been
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Speaker 2: oh it says here, has just been awarded lollipop Man
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Speaker 2: of the damn Year. He's the bad guy here. We're
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Speaker 2: going to have to ban him from high fiving kids
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Speaker 2: because one parent who we do not know who that is,
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Speaker 2: has an issue with it. Like how many times do
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Speaker 2: we have to have cases of ninety nine percent of
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Speaker 2: the population has no problem, in fact, they love it,
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Speaker 2: and then one person says, well, I'm not comfortable with that,
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Speaker 2: and then he has to be banned from doing the
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Speaker 2: one thing that brings joy into people's lives. You are
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Speaker 2: a ranger's counsel. I have one message for you, and
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Speaker 2: it comes via the Simpsons. Want somebody please think of
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Speaker 2: the children because you sure as hell art I mean,
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Speaker 2: just like how joyless unhappy do these council bureaucrats have
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Speaker 2: to be that they go after a man who spreads
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Speaker 2: joy and happiness and the children's lives and the slap
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Speaker 2: in the face that they did it under the guise
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Speaker 2: of safety.
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Speaker 5: So they've put out this statement basically inferring that this
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Speaker 5: was in some way unsafe and maybe John's covert pedo
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Speaker 5: I mean, for crying out loud. The love that the
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Speaker 5: community has for him, look at him is very obvious.
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Speaker 2: Look at it he's such a jolly fack.
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Speaker 6: In people's day.
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Speaker 5: Every day they put out this statement saying council's policy
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Speaker 5: states that unacceptable behaviors include exhibiting behaviors which may be
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Speaker 5: construed as unnecessarily physical. What is physical about a millisecond
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Speaker 5: of physical contact via a high five? Ladies and gentlemen,
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Speaker 5: This is peak idiocy's nothing more.
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Speaker 3: The other crazy thing about this is you can guarantee
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Speaker 3: your arranger's council if they had one hundred people complain
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Speaker 3: about a pothole, nothing would get done. But one person
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Speaker 3: complains about a crossing supervisor doing a high five, and
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Speaker 3: all of a sudden, counselor on the job, and good
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Speaker 3: luck replacing John Gooden when he retires, because what bloke
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Speaker 3: would want to take up the job where you just
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Speaker 3: try to be nice to kids and all of a sudden, aw,
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Speaker 3: you're a threat.
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Speaker 1: You shouldn't be doing.
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Speaker 3: That, all of a sudden made an example of and
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Speaker 3: we're doing no more than just trying to be a
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Speaker 3: nice guy.
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Speaker 2: And this is why you have so few male primary
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Speaker 2: school teachers because they are deathly worried of being accused
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Speaker 2: of propriety or being weird or something. Because they want
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Speaker 2: to teach young children, right like, they want to do
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Speaker 2: something good for children, and they're worried that someone is
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Speaker 2: going to make a complaint because they were in a
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Speaker 2: classroom with I don't know, little Lola or whatever because
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Speaker 2: he's trying to help her with her maths homework. But well,
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Speaker 2: he was in there for two minutes longer than he
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Speaker 2: should have been, and somehow he's a pedophile. It is
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Speaker 2: absolutely disgusting. And the other thing that really annoys me
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Speaker 2: about it is that it is pulling apart not only
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Speaker 2: the small bits of joy that we get to have
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Speaker 2: in life, but it is pulling us apart as people.
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Speaker 2: These are the things that create community and friendship and
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Speaker 2: connection and we need that now more than we ever have.
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Speaker 2: And like, I have been told in various workplaces not
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Speaker 2: to hug my colleagues, and I'm like, why can't I
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Speaker 2: hug my? Oh well, there's a power imbalance? What power imbalance?
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Speaker 2: Who cares? If I work with someone and you're a
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Speaker 2: friend of mine, it shouldn't matter whether I'm your subordinate
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Speaker 2: to me or I'm subordinate to you or whatever. If
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Speaker 2: you need a hug, I'm going to give you a
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Speaker 2: hug because that's what normal people do.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, but every night is a bit overkill, I gotta say,
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Speaker 5: just every night.
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Speaker 2: Here we go. My HR file is about to be
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Speaker 2: unfilled to you on air. And while we're on matters
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Speaker 2: of council craziness. You know I love these stories, so
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Speaker 2: I've got another one for you, and let's go to
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Speaker 2: my hometown of Adelaide, where hold Fast Bay Council is
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Speaker 2: employing a new tactic to issue parking fines that I've
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Speaker 2: never heard of being used before, and it is outrageous.
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Speaker 2: They are now using cct CCTV cameras on main streets
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Speaker 2: to detect people doing things that are wrong and then
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Speaker 2: sending them a fine in the mail. And we find
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Speaker 2: out this because a bloke called Matthew Rogers copped one
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Speaker 2: hundred and sixteen dollar fine in the mail because he
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Speaker 2: was detected by the council through a CCTV camera with
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Speaker 2: his car parked on a yellow line. Now yellow line
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Speaker 2: is universal signal for you can't stop here, but he
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Speaker 2: had stopped well, his son was driving the car at
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Speaker 2: the time. They had pulled up out the front of
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Speaker 2: a restaurant they had stopped for. He estimates about eleven
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Speaker 2: seconds so he could let the passengers out of the
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Speaker 2: car before they went and parked it elsewhere. He wasn't
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Speaker 2: parked there, He wasn't parked on a yellow line. He
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Speaker 2: was there for less than thirty seconds, letting some passengers
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Speaker 2: out of the car, and some overly officious prick sitting
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Speaker 2: in the office looking at the camera had sent that
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Speaker 2: photo to the fines department and said, send this dude
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Speaker 2: a fine because he stopped for eleven seconds on a
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Speaker 2: yellow line. This is outrageous. It's got to be the
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Speaker 2: worst k of council revenue raising I have ever seen
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Speaker 2: to go like clearly, okay, I'm letting some people out
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Speaker 2: of the car, and then I'm moving the car to
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Speaker 2: a legitimate parking spot where he probably paid the council
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Speaker 2: to part there, and they seen him one hundred and
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Speaker 2: sixteen dollar five a.
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Speaker 3: Local councils wonder why we hate them. It wasn't dangerous,
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Speaker 3: no one was being obstructed, nobody was hurt, no one
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Speaker 3: was upset. It was clearly revenue raising. But if I
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Speaker 3: was an Uber driver, I'd be watching this thinking, do
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Speaker 3: you job?
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Speaker 1: Help me?
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Speaker 3: Because Uber drivers pull over all sorts of places for
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Speaker 3: a moment, so you can jump in and using CCTV,
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Speaker 3: And we talked about how in many councils now they're
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Speaker 3: using cameras in parking spots to issue fines. It removes
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Speaker 3: that opportunity for someone, an actual person, to say, oh,
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Speaker 3: don't worry about it, it's fine, and use some discretion.
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Speaker 3: But when it's just cameras like that, eleven seconds, no discretion,
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Speaker 3: no wonder.
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Speaker 1: People hate the council.
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Speaker 5: And this must have been such a setup, right, who's
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Speaker 5: watching the CCTV and then rights to I guess the
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Speaker 5: parking finds people to be like, by the way, saw
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Speaker 5: this number plate.
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Speaker 6: They were there for eleven seconds? Get them? I mean,
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Speaker 6: who does that? We're now seeing.
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Speaker 5: A cross departmental parking watch any way that they can
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Speaker 5: get you. And what really gets me about this is
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Speaker 5: when we're in the middle of a cost of living
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Speaker 5: crisis and people are already just doing their dandas to
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Speaker 5: make ends meet who what kind of nasty little snitch
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Speaker 5: sits in local council and goes, oh, yeah, this finds
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Speaker 5: deserve for crying out loud. I got a parking fine
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Speaker 5: also on a yellow line, which I didn't even know about.
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Speaker 5: They are not a universal sign of do not. I
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Speaker 5: am from Western Australia. Yellow lines in Western Australia.
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Speaker 6: Before that, I was in Queensland. No yellow line in Queensland.
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Speaker 2: So this you want to hope that's true. Someone's going
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Speaker 2: to email me now tell me this is It.
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Speaker 5: Is simply not true. And I copped a three hundred
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Speaker 5: and twenty dollar fine. I have a private park. I
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Speaker 5: just happened to be parked.
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Speaker 6: There for a few hours because A I didn't know you.
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Speaker 5: Couldn't park on a yellow line, and B I was
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Speaker 5: being navely because my neighbors were moving out and they
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Speaker 5: needed my parking spot. And I was like, no worries,
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Speaker 5: I'll just park on the street for a few hours.
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Speaker 5: What's the worst that can happen. I'm sure we can
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Speaker 5: all agree that parking fines are parking fines.
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Speaker 6: But three hundred and twenty dollars.
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Speaker 5: I too was hurting no one. I too was obstructing
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Speaker 5: no one. That is just extortionate.
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Speaker 6: That is ridiculous. It shouldn't even be legal.
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Speaker 5: And this a week after we were talking about the
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Speaker 5: fact that New South Wales councils alone in the last
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Speaker 5: financial year it nabbed New South Walians one hundred and
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Speaker 5: fifty five million dollars using this sneaky little tactic where
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Speaker 5: they didn't leave it on the windshield anymore, you just
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Speaker 5: get it in the mail. And of course that means
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Speaker 5: people don't have a way of fighting back. There was
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Speaker 5: no way to collect evidence, maybe take photos and be like, well,
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Speaker 5: actually on that day, here's where I was really parked.
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Speaker 5: They're just getting fines in the mail weeks later and
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Speaker 5: going well, hang on a minute, where was I? How
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Speaker 5: long was I? Therefore, how did this fine occur? And
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Speaker 5: then they have way less ammo with which to push
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Speaker 5: back on the council, Not that I think anyone reads those,
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Speaker 5: by the way, you always just get some generated reply.
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Speaker 6: I swear you could write in a.
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Speaker 5: Complaint being like it was giving birth on the side
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Speaker 5: of her she was really untimely, but my water's brought.
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Speaker 5: Get some bot answer back, being like our laws stipulate
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Speaker 5: that you cannot be parked this so and this is
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Speaker 5: nobody she reads them.
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Speaker 2: I sweat And this is in glenil Jetty Road, Glanild
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Speaker 2: And anyone who knows about Adelaide knows that Glenelge is
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Speaker 2: the most popular beach in Adelaide. It's a tourist attraction.
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Speaker 2: It's a really busy place. Jetty Road is the main
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Speaker 2: strip and so if they are using CCTV cameras to
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Speaker 2: monitor this kind of thing, they are just going to
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Speaker 2: be running an absolute cash cow because you can never
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Speaker 2: get a park on Jetty Road and they will constantly
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Speaker 2: be doing this stuff. And I appeal to the mayor
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Speaker 2: of Holdfast Bay, Amanda Wilson, who is a good woman.
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Speaker 2: I know her. Amanda, please intervene here. The guy has
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Speaker 2: paid the fine. Matthew Rogers paid the fine in full,
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Speaker 2: and he sent a personal letter, handwritten letter to the
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Speaker 2: council about it. But Amanda Wilson, please just intervene in
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Speaker 2: this case and give the man his money back. He
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Speaker 2: has done nothing wrong. And here we are slagging off
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Speaker 2: your council on air, and we will continue to slag
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Speaker 2: off the council every opportunity we get. But just do
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Speaker 2: something nice for once and restore a little bit of
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Speaker 2: faith councils and say, look, yes we made a mistake here.
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Speaker 2: You shouldn't have received a fine. Have your money back.
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Speaker 2: Wouldn't that be a nice into the school?
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Speaker 6: Nice?
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Speaker 2: But right, yes, that would be the.
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Speaker 6: Right thing to do.
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Speaker 3: We're trying to work out who would do this, Who
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Speaker 3: would sit there in a room with a CCTV and
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Speaker 3: issue a fine. Probably the same person that complained about
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Speaker 3: the crossing Supervisor.
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Speaker 1: Karens of the World.
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Speaker 5: The Show Karen put down the phone, ban that person's
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Speaker 5: email onto more council drama, now of a different kind.
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Speaker 5: The new South Wales state director of the Liberal Party's
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Speaker 5: head is currently rolling because this guy failed to put
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Speaker 5: in the nominations for Liberal candidates.
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Speaker 6: In up to twelve counsels.
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Speaker 5: How on earth is this possible, Director Richard Shields, what
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Speaker 5: can you not operate a photo copier? It hasn't even
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Speaker 5: been able to come up with a proper excuse.
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Speaker 6: Here's what he had to say for himself.
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Speaker 5: Mister Shields blamed the spectacular failure on a lack of
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Speaker 5: secretariat resources.
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Speaker 2: Quote.
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Speaker 5: Unfortunately, we were unable to nominate in all of the
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Speaker 5: local government areas that were put forward by the state
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Speaker 5: Executive on behalf of the secretariat. I would like to
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Speaker 5: apologize to Liberal endorsed counselors that were not nominated and
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Speaker 5: to the party membership more broadly.
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Speaker 6: Not good enough. Mate.
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Speaker 5: Every other night we are sat here railing against the
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Speaker 5: idiocy of councils that are firmly in the hands of
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Speaker 5: Greens and labor councilors. And now we've got twelve councils
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Speaker 5: in New South Wales alone that don't even have liberal
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Speaker 5: candidates on the ticket, So people in those councils come
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Speaker 5: election time won't even have a liberal option. This is
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Speaker 5: democracy gone to the.
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Speaker 1: Manifest.
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Speaker 6: Well, it's not democracy manifest. In fact, it's a bullet in.
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Speaker 5: The face of democracy because these people won't even have
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Speaker 5: the option to say, we want less green crazies running
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Speaker 5: the show. We want less welcomes to countries, we want
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Speaker 5: less counselors eating through time that they're supposed to be
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Speaker 5: spending on roads, rates and rubbish, talking about oh what
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Speaker 5: about Palestine, And we're standing for Gaza way outside your jurisdiction, lovies.
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Speaker 6: We're just going to have more and more of that.
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Speaker 5: And it rests squarely on the shoulders of this moron
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Speaker 5: who wants to blame it on what administrative resources.
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Speaker 1: Apparently, well, in.
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Speaker 6: A few volunteers.
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Speaker 3: Mayre councils including Northern Beaches, Lane Cove, wooll And Gone, Campbelltown,
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Speaker 3: Blue Mountains. Apparently we'll have no Liberal candidates running whatsoever
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Speaker 3: the irin of course, if you don't turn up to vote, you.
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Speaker 1: Still get fine.
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Speaker 3: I know, why should you turn up to vote when
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Speaker 3: the Liberal aren't even bothering. The nominations were due in
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Speaker 3: at midday today and according to the article, the Liberals
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Speaker 3: were running all over Sydney trying to get people to
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Speaker 3: sign bits of paper get all the forms this morning.
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Speaker 3: Still didn't manage to do it. So the ballot comes
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Speaker 3: out tomorrow, the order etc. And it'll be missing a whole.
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Speaker 3: There's three hundred Liberals that have nominated, but a lot haven't,
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Speaker 3: including some I believe who are sitting council members who
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Speaker 3: suddenly won't have a job anymore. There are because the
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Speaker 3: Liberal party secretary didn't do here.
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Speaker 2: There are people who have lost their wards because the
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Speaker 2: state executive or the party the state director sorry, couldn't
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Speaker 2: get the nominations in on time. Now, look for those
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Speaker 2: who live in other states and don't understand, in New
18:45
Speaker 2: South Wales you actually have proper organized party structures within council,
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Speaker 2: so the party is actually on the ticket when you
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Speaker 2: go and vote in council elections, which isn't typically in
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Speaker 2: a lot of other states. But you have a situation
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Speaker 2: here like how can a party, the Liberal Party that
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Speaker 2: presumably would like to win the next state election in New.
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Speaker 7: South Wales general elections, they can't even nominate people for
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Speaker 7: a council election and they're going to ask in three
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Speaker 7: years time for the support of New South walesman to
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Speaker 7: elect them to government in this state.
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Speaker 2: How can it be? I mean, look, the time and
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Speaker 2: day by which you had to get these nominations in
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Speaker 2: was set in stone. They knew what it was. Now
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Speaker 2: what did the state director, Richard Shields wake up this
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Speaker 2: morning as I used to do when I was at
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Speaker 2: school and left everything to the last minute, And did
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Speaker 2: he wake up this morning go I've got to do
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Speaker 2: my homework. I've got to do my homework or the
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Speaker 2: teacher's going to get really angry. Except he didn't do
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Speaker 2: the homework, and now he's got the entire Liberal Party
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Speaker 2: on his ass saying mate, what are you doing that?
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Speaker 3: The New South Wales Electoral Commission put out a press
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Speaker 3: rely six days ago saying don't forget to put in
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Speaker 3: your nominations for local government, little realizing they probably should
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Speaker 3: have sent it directly to the Liberal Party head office
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Speaker 3: because they have all people needed to know you can't
20:13
Speaker 3: make this stuff.
20:14
Speaker 2: That's a good.
20:14
Speaker 5: Question though, whether party politics belongs in local council because
20:19
Speaker 5: when you are roads rates and rubbish, you shouldn't be
20:24
Speaker 5: venturing into party politics whatsoever. In Wa, it's a very
20:29
Speaker 5: different system. You yourself, nominate yourself. I ran for local government,
20:34
Speaker 5: came first out of twenty nine candidates, beat the sitting mare,
20:37
Speaker 5: just casually.
20:38
Speaker 2: But you are so humbled.
20:41
Speaker 5: Hey, it was a great accomplishment, thank you very much.
20:44
Speaker 5: But it's all off your own bat and people stump
20:47
Speaker 5: up for their own pamphlets for their whether they want
20:51
Speaker 5: to go.
20:51
Speaker 6: Door knocking, etc.
20:53
Speaker 5: And so on, but you don't bring party politics into it.
20:56
Speaker 6: Now, a small google of me would have brought up.
20:59
Speaker 5: The fact that I was a liberal staffer, et cetera
21:01
Speaker 5: and so on, but.
21:03
Speaker 6: That is not meant to encroach on your.
21:06
Speaker 5: Job as a counselor because, like I say, roads rates
21:09
Speaker 5: and rubbish has nothing to do with party politics.
21:12
Speaker 6: Neither should it.
21:13
Speaker 5: And if these councils just left it out and so
21:17
Speaker 5: it doesn't matter what party you hail from or where
21:20
Speaker 5: your positions are on state and federal issues, it would
21:24
Speaker 5: probably go a lot better, especially for these liberal counselors
21:28
Speaker 5: in New South Wales.
21:29
Speaker 3: The good news for us is that with not many
21:31
Speaker 3: Liberals on councils in New South Wales and it will
21:33
Speaker 3: be dominated by Greens and Labor Party members, we will
21:36
Speaker 3: have plenty to.
21:37
Speaker 1: Talk about about. You ain't heard anything yet, you know.
21:41
Speaker 3: Kim Williams, the boss of the ABC, was talking to
21:45
Speaker 3: staffers last week about the fact that they need to
21:48
Speaker 3: have more hard news on their website rather than these
21:51
Speaker 3: soft lifestyle stories. So I thought, well, let's see if
21:54
Speaker 3: that's changed. I went onto the ABC News website today.
21:58
Speaker 3: There wasn't much hard news is There was this. I
22:01
Speaker 3: got this headline dark skies are a library for indigenous
22:05
Speaker 3: knowledge systems, but light pollution threatens them. This was an
22:09
Speaker 3: article by Crystal di Napoli, who's very smart lady. She's
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Speaker 3: an author and an astrophysicist, and she was lamenting the
22:16
Speaker 3: fact that eighty percent of the world's population and I
22:19
Speaker 3: quote don't have access get this to dark skies.
22:25
Speaker 1: The world's population don't have access.
22:27
Speaker 3: Not to light, to electricity, to food, they don't have
22:31
Speaker 3: access to black dark skies.
22:35
Speaker 2: Called the first worlds.
22:37
Speaker 3: She goes on to say that as an astrophysicist, artificial
22:42
Speaker 3: lightning is irritating because you try to look up into
22:44
Speaker 3: the stars, and that's a bit annoying if you're an astrophysicist.
22:48
Speaker 3: But she writes quote as an Aboriginal woman, light pollution
22:52
Speaker 3: is devastating as it hides our library of stars used
22:55
Speaker 3: to guide a healthy and informed engagement with country. The
22:59
Speaker 3: article goes on and on, but it concludes with what
23:02
Speaker 3: you and I can do to help Indigenous people connect
23:05
Speaker 3: with country.
23:06
Speaker 1: She concludes reassurance can be.
23:08
Speaker 3: Found in recognizing that, unlike many other pollutants, removing light
23:12
Speaker 3: pollution from an ecosystem can be as simple as turning
23:15
Speaker 3: off the lights. So there you go, that's how you
23:19
Speaker 3: can help Indigenous people connect with culture.
23:22
Speaker 1: Just turn the lights off.
23:23
Speaker 6: I literally cannot issues on.
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Speaker 5: The main news website of the a bitlement of someone
23:29
Speaker 5: who is literally writing an article. And by the way,
23:33
Speaker 5: this was by ABC Science everybody, so very scientific article.
23:39
Speaker 5: This was, but the self entitlement of someone to write
23:44
Speaker 5: this was quite a lengthy article explaining why you should
23:48
Speaker 5: turn your lights off because some of us want to
23:50
Speaker 5: see the stars. Like we're all at home sitting in
23:52
Speaker 5: high back chesterfields giggling to ourselves.
23:55
Speaker 6: I've left the lights on.
23:57
Speaker 5: Like affordunately, on any light on, because otherwise we'd be
24:03
Speaker 5: sitting in the dark. It's not some indulgence that were
24:07
Speaker 5: just like light up the house, love turn every single
24:10
Speaker 5: I mean it just I could not believe this article
24:13
Speaker 5: that you're now encouraging people to turn the lights off
24:17
Speaker 5: so you can see the stars. I'm sure I'd love
24:19
Speaker 5: to see the stars too, but I would never encourage
24:22
Speaker 5: everyone to then turn their lights off so I can
24:25
Speaker 5: see them.
24:25
Speaker 6: I'll just take myself.
24:26
Speaker 5: Out somewhere rural where there is less light pollution and
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Speaker 5: enjoy the stars.
24:31
Speaker 1: I was driving home the other night.
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Speaker 3: People had their lights on, things racist in them right.
24:38
Speaker 6: Around with headlights. That's another one.
24:40
Speaker 5: Drive around without your headlights on, please, because again that's
24:44
Speaker 5: more unnecessarily lightwood.
24:46
Speaker 2: It's one way to sort of weed out the people
24:48
Speaker 2: you don't want in society. Isn't a bit of Darwinism
24:51
Speaker 2: at work. But actually she may have a point here, because,
24:54
Speaker 2: of course, the vast majority of light pollution is caused
24:57
Speaker 2: by street lighting, and street lighting is generally run by council,
25:01
Speaker 2: So if she wants to take the fight up against councils,
25:03
Speaker 2: then I'm all on board with it.
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Speaker 5: I know, I know we're getting mugged in darkness.
25:12
Speaker 2: Well that's it. You should get mugged in darkness and
25:14
Speaker 2: rape and whatever, because we've got to be able to
25:17
Speaker 2: look at the stars at no But but you are right, Liz,
25:21
Speaker 2: there are places you can go where there is no
25:23
Speaker 2: light pollution. And sure there are fewer and fewer of
25:26
Speaker 2: them now. And I understand that some people like to
25:29
Speaker 2: look up at the night sky and see the total
25:31
Speaker 2: darkness and whatever. But it's called human progress, right, And
25:36
Speaker 2: what if she want us to turn into Africa or
25:38
Speaker 2: something like? It's human progress. We have to live, we
25:42
Speaker 2: have to be safe. We have access to electricity, thank god. Like,
25:46
Speaker 2: what do we meant to just turf all of this
25:48
Speaker 2: stuff out and go back to living in caves again?
25:51
Speaker 2: But I suppose this this is the argument sometimes of
25:54
Speaker 2: if we want to go down the indigenous road, and
25:56
Speaker 2: this is what she's arguing as an indigenous woman, that
25:59
Speaker 2: it is herd to her that she can't enjoy the
26:01
Speaker 2: night skies her ancestors did. And the argument sometimes seems
26:05
Speaker 2: to be that it's the same were talking about living
26:08
Speaker 2: on stolen land, et cetera, that we should go back
26:11
Speaker 2: to how things were before Australia was colonized, right, And
26:17
Speaker 2: it ain't ever gonna happen. It can't happen. If life
26:22
Speaker 2: was so much better before Australia was colonized, it wouldn't
26:26
Speaker 2: have been colonized in the first place. And there are
26:29
Speaker 2: other places in the world where you can go where
26:32
Speaker 2: they live without electricity. But do you want to live there?
26:36
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
26:38
Speaker 1: I agree. I object to the term light pollution.
26:40
Speaker 3: Now she didn't invent that term, but to call light
26:43
Speaker 3: pollution you get you off side immediately.
26:45
Speaker 2: Indeed, indeed, all right, let's go on to some other
26:48
Speaker 2: international news, shall we, after we've spent a lot of
26:51
Speaker 2: time bashing councils and other stuff at home. Of course,
26:54
Speaker 2: I don't need to tell you who Imman Califf is,
26:58
Speaker 2: the individual one of the individuals who last year tested
27:02
Speaker 2: positive having x Y chromosomes, which indicates that you are
27:05
Speaker 2: a biological male, but has lived their entire life as
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Speaker 2: a woman, and was allowed to compete as a woman
27:12
Speaker 2: in the boxing at the Olympics. Califf walked away with
27:16
Speaker 2: a gold medal, which of course raised the eyebrows of
27:19
Speaker 2: many kind of proving the point that they were trying
27:21
Speaker 2: to make that here you have a competitor who seems
27:24
Speaker 2: to have an advantage because they are said to have
27:26
Speaker 2: x y chromosomes, biological maleness about them, and why are
27:31
Speaker 2: they allowed to compete against women. Well, many people pointed
27:34
Speaker 2: this out, and many went as far as to say
27:37
Speaker 2: that Califf was a man. Now this is in contention
27:41
Speaker 2: because Califf has always lived as a woman. But the
27:45
Speaker 2: World Boxing Authority says that they took a test and
27:48
Speaker 2: it came back and said there were x y chromosomes.
27:51
Speaker 2: All of this stuff could be very simply sorted out
27:55
Speaker 2: if Califf simply went and had a test that wasn't
27:59
Speaker 2: administered by the International Boxing Federation and came back with
28:03
Speaker 2: the results and showed it to the rest of us
28:06
Speaker 2: and said, well, no, actually, I am a woman. I
28:09
Speaker 2: am a biological woman. There is no problem here. If
28:12
Speaker 2: that was done, then we wouldn't be here talking about this.
28:15
Speaker 2: But Califf is so aggrieved by what happened at the
28:19
Speaker 2: Olympics and the criticism that was received that there is
28:22
Speaker 2: now a court case being run against Elon Musk and
28:26
Speaker 2: Harry Potter. Author JK. Rowling saying I was cyber bullied
28:32
Speaker 2: in the suggestion that I was a man. The lawyer
28:36
Speaker 2: running this case's case is being run in France because
28:38
Speaker 2: of course that's where the Olympics were held. Sos jk
28:41
Speaker 2: Rowling and Elon Musk are named in the lawsuit, amongst others.
28:45
Speaker 2: Then goes on to say that Trump tweeted, so whether
28:48
Speaker 2: or not he is named in our lawsuit, he will
28:50
Speaker 2: inevitably be looked into as part of the prosecution. So
28:55
Speaker 2: worried about won a gold medal, by the way, you
28:57
Speaker 2: think you're having a good time, so worried about people
29:00
Speaker 2: posting some stuff online that there is now a lawsuit
29:04
Speaker 2: against JK Rowling, Elon Musk and potentially Donald Trump for
29:09
Speaker 2: I don't know, tweeting some hurtful words. Seriously, here is
29:14
Speaker 2: Califf at a press conference talking about these attacks, that
29:26
Speaker 2: the kid and fools.
29:39
Speaker 1: Theas we're looking, who couldn't fools?
29:43
Speaker 2: Okay, Now, I think this case could actually be a
29:47
Speaker 2: good thing if it's done properly, because if the contention
29:52
Speaker 2: here is that I am a biological woman, and I
29:56
Speaker 2: have been slandered online as a biological and therefore it
30:01
Speaker 2: has been suggested that I was wrongly competing in the Olympics.
30:06
Speaker 2: Surely at some point Califf is going to have to
30:08
Speaker 2: produce proof of being a biological woman. Now, you know,
30:13
Speaker 2: you can argue, as the IOC argued, well it says
30:16
Speaker 2: on the passport she is a woman, therefore she is
30:19
Speaker 2: a woman. But the court might go a little further
30:23
Speaker 2: and say, well, that's what's on the document, but we
30:27
Speaker 2: want genetic proof that you are a biological woman. It'd
30:30
Speaker 2: be interesting to see a if the court is willing
30:33
Speaker 2: to go that far, and if they don't, why they don't,
30:36
Speaker 2: because surely that is the crux of this case, that
30:39
Speaker 2: I'm a biological woman. I have been unfairly slanted as
30:43
Speaker 2: a biological man. How do you prove you're a biological woman.
30:46
Speaker 3: Kliff could make history again with this case, becoming the
30:48
Speaker 3: first ever boxer to score an own goal.
30:51
Speaker 1: That would be quite something.
30:52
Speaker 3: But I just can't believe that Khaliff is complaining about
30:56
Speaker 3: cyber bullying after what Kalif did to women in the
31:00
Speaker 3: boxing ring, to now complain that Califf has been a
31:04
Speaker 3: cyber bullied And you can't say I want the right
31:08
Speaker 3: to identify as I want, but no one else has
31:11
Speaker 3: the right to comment, especially when the way you identify
31:16
Speaker 3: is affecting other people directly, including their physical safety. So
31:20
Speaker 3: you've got two issues here. You've got the right to
31:23
Speaker 3: identify as you please, and you've got the right to
31:25
Speaker 3: speak and say what you really believe. And let me
31:28
Speaker 3: ask you which of those two rights has caused human progress?
31:32
Speaker 3: Not the right to identify as you want. We've ended
31:34
Speaker 3: up with what we believe is a biological male in
31:37
Speaker 3: a boxing ring with women. The right to freedom of
31:40
Speaker 3: speech and to disagree and to say what you truly believe.
31:44
Speaker 3: That's the thing that's driven human progress forward. So of
31:47
Speaker 3: these two rights, I know which one I would be supporting,
31:49
Speaker 3: and that's the right of Elon Musk, jk Rowling and
31:52
Speaker 3: others who see something to be able to say what
31:55
Speaker 3: they actually believe they're seeing and say what normal people
31:58
Speaker 3: would say about it.
31:59
Speaker 5: Yeah, one way that this could just be put to bed,
32:02
Speaker 5: which it is a massive indictment on the IOC that
32:06
Speaker 5: they didn't make Khalif.
32:07
Speaker 6: Just take the test.
32:09
Speaker 5: Take the test, Khalif, or shut up, Like, seriously, if
32:13
Speaker 5: you want to prove that you are a biological woman,
32:17
Speaker 5: just take the chromosome test, because that's something that a
32:20
Speaker 5: lot of people are missing as well.
32:22
Speaker 6: This was a chromosome test testosterone levels.
32:26
Speaker 5: Because those can change over time, especially if someone's taking
32:29
Speaker 5: drugs to combat levels of testone.
32:32
Speaker 6: That they may have in their system.
32:34
Speaker 5: This test showed and it was run twice by the
32:37
Speaker 5: International Boxing Association.
32:39
Speaker 6: They are standing by those tests to this day.
32:42
Speaker 5: They of course can't release what they have in those
32:45
Speaker 5: tests because that's a personal issue. They can't just let
32:49
Speaker 5: people's medical records go on the public record. But that
32:53
Speaker 5: is something that Khalif could so easily disprove by simply
32:57
Speaker 5: taking another one that the iOS and others will recognize.
33:02
Speaker 6: And what's really telling about this is that Khalif.
33:06
Speaker 5: Never contested the finding by the IBA. Now, if you're
33:10
Speaker 5: a biological woman and there's no offens or butts about it,
33:15
Speaker 5: you would you would.
33:16
Speaker 6: Go to the mattresses on that.
33:18
Speaker 5: You would be saying you have disqualified me from other
33:21
Speaker 5: championships that I then couldn't participate in because you told
33:24
Speaker 5: everyone I have X Y chromosomes. If you have nothing
33:28
Speaker 5: to hide, you would contest that to the hilt. Then
33:31
Speaker 5: the IOC very conveniently just throughout the IBAS and those
33:36
Speaker 5: two have had bad blood for many years.
33:38
Speaker 6: By the way the IBA and the IOC.
33:40
Speaker 5: So the IOC say, olliiba's rubbish.
33:43
Speaker 6: We're just throwing out those tests. And also we think
33:46
Speaker 6: there was some.
33:46
Speaker 5: Russian collusion involved, because you know, Khalif had beat a
33:51
Speaker 5: Russian and the Russians were behind the testing.
33:53
Speaker 6: All sorts of nonsense came out.
33:56
Speaker 5: But the IOC then didn't run another test, and neither
33:59
Speaker 5: has khalifh take it upon him.
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Speaker 6: Or herself to do that.
34:04
Speaker 5: That would be the easiest way to put all of
34:06
Speaker 5: this to bed. And I hope you're very right, Caleb,
34:09
Speaker 5: and that the court insists on that, because that would
34:12
Speaker 5: end this court case before it even gets off the ground.
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Speaker 3: Last week it was the International Olympic Committee pretending to
34:18
Speaker 3: not know what a woman was, and this week it's
34:20
Speaker 3: the International Paralympic Committee that will get their chance to
34:23
Speaker 3: pretend they don't know what a woman is either. With
34:26
Speaker 3: Italy entering the first ever transgendered woman in this sprint racing,
34:32
Speaker 3: visually impaired sprinter Valentina Petrilli Petrillo of Italy set to
34:37
Speaker 3: become the first transgender athlete to compete at the Paralympic Games.
34:40
Speaker 3: Now Valentina won eleven national titles as a male between
34:46
Speaker 3: twenty fifteen and twenty eighteen, and then at the age
34:49
Speaker 3: of forty five years old, transitioned to female using hormone therapy.
34:56
Speaker 3: That was in twenty nineteen and has gone on to
34:58
Speaker 3: win medals at national and World Paralympic championships as a female.
35:04
Speaker 3: But even Valentina Petrillo is a little confused about the situation.
35:10
Speaker 3: Have listened to this interview with this sprinter.
35:13
Speaker 2: In what get.
35:19
Speaker 7: You know?
35:19
Speaker 6: I don't change upon and.
35:27
Speaker 3: QUINDI So even this sprinter from Italy admits when people
35:40
Speaker 3: look at me, they're going to see a man.
35:42
Speaker 2: Well, yes, exactly. I mean our eyes don't lie.
35:47
Speaker 1: We can see it, but we won't be allowed to
35:49
Speaker 1: say it.
35:49
Speaker 2: Well correct, and well we just did. But hey, by
35:54
Speaker 2: the way, you can be so aware of that yourself
35:57
Speaker 2: and not feel any compunction about competing against biological women
36:03
Speaker 2: in a running race. You're like, well, yeah, I know
36:05
Speaker 2: they're going to be upset about it because they can
36:07
Speaker 2: see I'm a biological man. But I want to be
36:10
Speaker 2: here and do it anyway. I mean, that is so selfish.
36:14
Speaker 2: Say I deserve to be here because I identify as
36:17
Speaker 2: a woman. I know that I appear as a man.
36:20
Speaker 2: Other female competitors are going to be able and you
36:22
Speaker 2: can see the competity. You know, other female competitors are
36:26
Speaker 2: going to be able to see that. But I don't care.
36:29
Speaker 2: I've earned my spot.
36:31
Speaker 1: He is serious and.
36:32
Speaker 3: Clearly, if you transition at the age of forty five,
36:34
Speaker 3: you've got all the advantages of male puberty, of male
36:38
Speaker 3: bone structure, et cetera. Valentine A told media that he
36:43
Speaker 3: believed he was an important quote symbol of inclusion and
36:46
Speaker 3: then said this, get this talk about self indulgent. It
36:49
Speaker 3: is sport that has to find a solution, and excluding
36:52
Speaker 3: trans athletes is not a solution.
36:55
Speaker 1: In other words, I am not the problem. I deserve
36:58
Speaker 1: to be here. You've all got to fix it and
37:00
Speaker 1: you can't exclude me.
37:01
Speaker 3: So be an interesting week in the Para Olympics. That
37:05
Speaker 3: issue not going away anytime soon. We're going to go
37:07
Speaker 3: to a break when we come back. Peter Dutton says
37:10
Speaker 3: there should be a total ban on arrivals from Gaza.
37:13
Speaker 3: That's making front page tomorrow. Look at other news stories
37:15
Speaker 3: in just a second.
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Speaker 1: Welcome back.
37:20
Speaker 3: Well, let's take a little look at what's making news
37:23
Speaker 3: in tomorrow's papers. And to kick it off Liz Storer,
37:26
Speaker 3: who insists there are no yellow lines in Western Australia
37:28
Speaker 3: or queens and despite the fact many of viewers messaging
37:31
Speaker 3: in during the ad break to say Liz, there are.
37:34
Speaker 5: I am not aware of the literally until I got
37:37
Speaker 5: my three hundred and twenty dollars fine a couple of
37:39
Speaker 5: weeks ago.
37:41
Speaker 6: I stand by what I said. I am not It's
37:44
Speaker 6: not a thing.
37:45
Speaker 1: Let's go to the papers. What's making news?
37:48
Speaker 6: To the front page of the.
37:49
Speaker 5: Australian full Garsen blockade Dutton call. Peter Dutton has escalated
37:54
Speaker 5: the domestic political contest over warring Gaza, calling for an
37:58
Speaker 5: outright ban on arrival from the conflict zone in a
38:02
Speaker 5: captain's call branded as racist by Muslim groups. It goes
38:07
Speaker 5: on to say the opposition leader announced the new position
38:10
Speaker 5: in a television interview without consulting the Shadow Cabinet, just
38:16
Speaker 5: a day after seventy nine Coalition MPs called for Hamas
38:19
Speaker 5: supporters to be denied visas rather.
38:22
Speaker 6: Than all Ghas.
38:23
Speaker 5: And so he really has made a captain's call here,
38:27
Speaker 5: and he doesn't even have the support of his own
38:31
Speaker 5: party room, which I find very interesting.
38:34
Speaker 6: He certainly doesn't have my support either.
38:36
Speaker 5: I think it's very terrible timing, given it was just
38:39
Speaker 5: today it made.
38:40
Speaker 6: Frontline news across the world.
38:44
Speaker 5: This story when absolutely viral of a Ghazan father who'd
38:48
Speaker 5: his wife had just given birth to twins, and he
38:50
Speaker 5: left the home to pick up their birth certificates, and
38:54
Speaker 5: while he was out, he received a call to let
38:57
Speaker 5: him know that his wife, his mother in law, and
38:59
Speaker 5: his to brand new children had been killed in a blast.
39:05
Speaker 6: These people are literally defenseless. They have nowhere to go.
39:09
Speaker 6: If this isn't what our refugee intake is for, I
39:12
Speaker 6: don't know what is.
39:14
Speaker 5: And as long as our government is doing their job
39:17
Speaker 5: to ensure that they're not letting in violent jihadis, then
39:22
Speaker 5: I don't see why we shouldn't be taking people in
39:25
Speaker 5: from this part of the world, given that currently there
39:29
Speaker 5: is nowhere else for them to go. It's just an
39:32
Speaker 5: absolute disaster. I don't see how any reasonable person could
39:36
Speaker 5: support this.
39:37
Speaker 3: I'd say a couple of things. I disagree that there's
39:39
Speaker 3: nowhere else for them to go. There's plenty of native.
39:41
Speaker 6: Nobody else will take. Yes, that's what I mean by
39:44
Speaker 6: there's nowhere else.
39:45
Speaker 5: So because it is factually correct to say there is
39:48
Speaker 5: nowhere else for.
39:49
Speaker 2: Them to go.
39:50
Speaker 3: Yeah, I take your point, it's factually correct, but there
39:52
Speaker 3: are a lot of neighboring Muslim nations that could take
39:54
Speaker 3: them in a heartbeat. The other thing you said, which
39:56
Speaker 3: I totally agree if the government do things right, but
39:59
Speaker 3: what diference to any of us have that this government
40:02
Speaker 3: can organize anything, especially when you've got the Boss of
40:05
Speaker 3: ASIO saying just the other day that people who are
40:09
Speaker 3: verbally supporting hamas a registered terror organization, that's no barrier
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Speaker 3: for them coming to Australia with a social cohesion problem.
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Speaker 3: We've got too many immigrants as it is, we've got
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Speaker 3: the terror threat raised from possible to probable. We've got
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Speaker 3: ASIO saying, oh it's okay if you say that her muss.
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Speaker 1: A good guys, we can still take you.
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Speaker 5: Why would you want to play the risk that very
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Speaker 5: talking point which isn't factually correct, and that is to
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Speaker 5: say that all Palestinians support them.
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Speaker 3: And I'm not saying anything about Palestinians. I'm saying something
40:37
Speaker 3: about our government and our people security. I don't trust
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Speaker 3: them to make good decisions.
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Speaker 6: Well no, and they are going to make mistakes. They
40:45
Speaker 6: always do. That is why we have this show and back.
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Speaker 1: We can't afford a single mistakes.
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Speaker 6: It's not that those have already been made, it's not
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Speaker 6: a mistake.
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Speaker 5: Completely defenseless people who are going to be blown up
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Speaker 5: if they don't get out of there.
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Speaker 6: This is what our refugee progress.
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Speaker 1: There are refugees all around the world. They should take refugees.
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Speaker 5: No, there are only a certain amount of refugees who
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Speaker 5: are currently in the position that people.
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Speaker 1: As Christian is being squorted in South Sudan right now.
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Speaker 2: And we as a country, per capita, take more refugees
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Speaker 2: than pretty much anywhere else in the world. We certainly
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Speaker 2: bully our word.
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Speaker 6: It's true we're going to take them from somewhere.
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Speaker 2: And I in principle don't support the idea that no
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Speaker 2: one from Palestine could have a road to refugee status.
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Speaker 2: But when you have had Mike Burgess, as you said
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Speaker 2: the other day, suggesting that someone who's given rhetorical support
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Speaker 2: to Hamas could be allowed into the country, I am
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Speaker 2: worried about what they deem as someone who is or
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Speaker 2: isn't a Hamas sympathizer. If you can prove to me
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Speaker 2: that a refugee from Palestine has no support for Hamas whatsoever.
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't have a problem letting them in because they're
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Speaker 2: probably the kind of person you would want in a
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Speaker 2: country like Australia, because they've come here because they hate
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Speaker 2: the situation they were in. The danger is, though, letting
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Speaker 2: people in who have sympathy for har Mass. Not a
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Speaker 2: single person of that nature should be allowed into.
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Speaker 1: This forget forget the ass This is what the Prime
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Speaker 1: Minister says.
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Speaker 2: They're not going to do it, but to put an
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Speaker 2: all out ban.
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Speaker 5: I know that Dutton is just saying what people want
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Speaker 5: to hear, but what people don't hear enough of is
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Speaker 5: the situation on the ground in Gaza. And to simply
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Speaker 5: leave these innocent people, twenty five thousand women and children dead,
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Speaker 5: Do you think that they were violent jihadis no?
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Speaker 6: Even if it's not all no, it's not will take
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Speaker 6: the children? That would be something.
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Speaker 3: Liz, the Prime Minister, declined to say whether an individual
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Speaker 3: who supported a listed terrorist organization such as a MASS
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Speaker 3: would pass Australia's character test.
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Speaker 1: Why would you allow the Prime Minister to do.
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Speaker 3: Anything in an area where we can't really discern one
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Speaker 3: person from another, and he can't even say that if
42:58
Speaker 3: you support Hamas that not necessarily failure from entering Australia.
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Speaker 2: Well can might have to do it and make what
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Speaker 2: I'm worried about.
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Speaker 5: But I think that's because Mike Burgess understands that you're
43:12
Speaker 5: not going to have people in Gaza speaking out against Tamas.
43:16
Speaker 5: That would cost you your life potentially. So to say, oh,
43:21
Speaker 5: in order to come into Australia, you have to be
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Speaker 5: what posting on social.
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Speaker 6: Media being like I hate Hamas are the worst thing.
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Speaker 3: Ever point, we don't know, and so we shouldn't be
43:31
Speaker 3: bringing people into the country who we're not absolutely sure
43:34
Speaker 3: and not going to be a security risk. The first
43:36
Speaker 3: job of government is not the rest of the world.
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Speaker 3: It's to keep this nation security.
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Speaker 5: They have all the resources in the world to ensure
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Speaker 5: that the people that they do let in a true innocence.
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Speaker 1: Like I said, they don't even they're just checking watch lists.
43:52
Speaker 1: That's all they're doing.
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Speaker 5: I know what they're doing, and perhaps it's not enough,
43:56
Speaker 5: but to have an outright ban, I'm sorry, I just
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Speaker 5: don't think what what we even have bring in refugees for,
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Speaker 5: Like this is the whole point of our refugee program.
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Speaker 5: People who are like, if you stay where you are,
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Speaker 5: you're going to be blown to bits through no fault
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Speaker 5: of your own. We're going to get you out of there.
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Speaker 3: Let's move on with the rest of the news, because
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Speaker 3: otherwise we'll spend all their time on this one topic,
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Speaker 3: and we've got other papers to get through.
44:19
Speaker 1: Let's keep going.
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Speaker 6: Don't know what else you like, Let them fry.
44:24
Speaker 5: ACTU invokes Trumpian dystopia in Green Agenda Push. I love
44:29
Speaker 5: how they just think if they wake Trumpion on anything,
44:32
Speaker 5: everyone will think it's the worst thing ever. ACTU president
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Speaker 5: Michelle O'Neil says green industry policies, including Labour's Future made
44:40
Speaker 5: an Australia Plan, are needed to stop cold communities from
44:44
Speaker 5: becoming hotbeds for an Australian version of the politics of
44:48
Speaker 5: resentment being stoked by Republican Party nominees Donald Trump and JD.
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Speaker 6: Vance in the US. Well, like I say, just call
44:57
Speaker 6: it Trumpion and it must be bad, bad.
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Speaker 5: We can't have these coal communities turning into hotbeds of Trumpianism.
45:04
Speaker 2: He's an idea for the AC to you instead of
45:07
Speaker 2: suggesting that we need new green industry to take over
45:11
Speaker 2: from coal so there are jobs there at the moment,
45:13
Speaker 2: and then we need to find other jobs to replace them.
45:16
Speaker 2: About you just back in the jobs that already exist.
45:19
Speaker 2: I mean, you won't have a problem. How's that for
45:21
Speaker 2: an idea.
45:21
Speaker 3: The other part of this article is Jim Chalmers, the Treasurer,
45:24
Speaker 3: accused anyone who disagrees with the maid An Australia plan
45:27
Speaker 3: of being quote maddies, which brings to mind Hillary Clinton's
45:31
Speaker 3: deplorables line. And so we've now got the Labor Party
45:34
Speaker 3: in the act. You basically just demonizing anybody who disagrees
45:37
Speaker 3: with them. The front page of the Herald's son big
45:39
Speaker 3: news in Melbourne. Look who's running for Lord Mayor Blues
45:42
Speaker 3: Great Anthony Kudafides is taking a punt, nice pun at
45:46
Speaker 3: the city's top job, pledging to make Melbourne vibrant again.
45:50
Speaker 3: Well good luck to him, But I can't remember anyone
45:52
Speaker 3: from Carlton winning anything for the longest time, so Caleb
45:57
Speaker 3: I don't really rate his chances.
45:59
Speaker 2: Imagine if John Eliot had been Lord Mayor of Melbourne,
46:02
Speaker 2: that would have been interesting, of course, formerly the President
46:05
Speaker 2: of Carlton. But you know this would be a bit
46:08
Speaker 2: like Malcolm Blite running for Lord Meir in Adelaide or
46:11
Speaker 2: Mark Rashudo or that sounds fantastic. Oh wouldn't I reckonmend
46:15
Speaker 2: that I reckon. We should have footballers running the country,
46:18
Speaker 2: so Kevin Sheedy specifically AFL footballers running the country. They'll
46:22
Speaker 2: do good.
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Speaker 3: Elster Clarkson would be brilliant. We're going to go to
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Speaker 3: an ad break when we come back. A cafe offers
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Speaker 3: seagull insurance. It's a popular sandwich shop in the UK
46:34
Speaker 3: called The Toasty the Cheesy Toast Shack, and they're doing
46:38
Speaker 3: well but losing a lot of money because seagulls keeps
46:41
Speaker 3: swooping in and stealing people's food. It's costing them hundreds
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Speaker 3: of pounds every day because the owners of the food
46:49
Speaker 3: store take pity on customers and replace their meals. The
46:53
Speaker 3: owner of the store, Kate, told media the gulls are
46:56
Speaker 3: super aggressive and actually terrifying. We are a found to
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Speaker 3: run business and I can't just sit and watch a
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Speaker 3: sandwich get stolen and not replace it, so I'll always
47:05
Speaker 3: give another for free.
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Speaker 1: But it's been costing us a lot of money. Get this.
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Speaker 3: People are even left bleeding after the gulls swoop for
47:11
Speaker 3: the food. These are serious seagulls. Well, obviously you can't
47:14
Speaker 3: keep replacing everybody's food, so they're introducing a seagull insurance fee.
47:20
Speaker 3: Pay one extra pound per sandwich and if your sandwich
47:23
Speaker 3: gets taken by a seagull, then you've got insurance you
47:27
Speaker 3: can get another meal.
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Speaker 1: I reckon that's a great idea.
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Speaker 5: Yes, terrific, especially given it sounds like these seagulls hit
47:33
Speaker 5: rates by the way in that part of the world.
47:35
Speaker 5: Their seagulls are like weapons grade seagulls. They are not
47:40
Speaker 5: like Aussie seagulls.
47:41
Speaker 6: These guys are big drone levels.
47:44
Speaker 2: I think it's great. I had an incident a bit
47:47
Speaker 2: like this recently in Melbourne, and our Melbourne viewers will
47:50
Speaker 2: know where. I'm talking about, Freshwater Place on the Yarra
47:53
Speaker 2: River there, and I'd had a bit of a big
47:55
Speaker 2: night beforehand, and i had to go to the races,
47:57
Speaker 2: and I walked out of the apartment It's how I
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Speaker 2: thank and walk down to Macca's at Freshwater Place and
48:02
Speaker 2: got a sausage and neg McMuffin and I walked out
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Speaker 2: of Macas and like twenty two twenty seconds, two seconds
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Speaker 2: after I'd taken the top off of it, seagull came
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Speaker 2: down and took the whole thing. It ruined my day.
48:13
Speaker 2: I was so looking forward to that sausage you neigumcut.
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Speaker 3: Actually reminds me of having lunch in Africa and you
48:17
Speaker 3: had monkeys all around trying to steal your food.
48:19
Speaker 1: They should introduced some monkey text there.
48:22
Speaker 6: Before we go tonight.
48:24
Speaker 5: Stephen Colbert holds a show pretty much nightly, I believe,
48:29
Speaker 5: just not the weekends, and he is talking to someone
48:32
Speaker 5: from CNN and unintentionally gets to laugh out loud from
48:38
Speaker 5: his New York audience. Check out what he was saying
48:41
Speaker 5: about CNN's objectivity.
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Speaker 8: He knew his attack lines on President Biden. He really
48:48
Speaker 8: has struggled with how to go after someone who's twenty
48:51
Speaker 8: years younger than him, who is a different gender, a
48:53
Speaker 8: different race. It's kind of been this moment where he
48:57
Speaker 8: has not been able to call us around a single
48:59
Speaker 8: attack line.
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Speaker 3: I know you guys are objective over there, that you
49:03
Speaker 3: just report the news as it is.
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Speaker 6: Oh, I know a CNN makes it.
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Speaker 1: And I know that's supposed to be a lab line.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't supposed to be, but I guess it is.
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Speaker 5: They know even the New York is no CNN far
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Speaker 5: from objectives.
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Speaker 1: We all know. That's it from US stick around. Coming
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