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4/28/26: Taxpayers To Pay For Ballroom, Congress Pushes Veteran Benefits For IDF, Hezbollah Drone Attacks, Ann Coulter On Trump And Iran · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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  Speaker 2: So in the wake of the attempted assassination at the
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  Speaker 2: White House correspondents dinner, one message rang out from Trunk
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  Speaker 2: to basically every Republican at this point, which is, this
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  Speaker 2: is why we must build the ballroom. Lindsey Graham always
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  Speaker 2: looking to be the leading scaphants among all of the scaphants.
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  Speaker 2: It's a very difficult task because there's so many news
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  Speaker 2: from Jumped down Front pushing a bill now that would
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  Speaker 2: authorize four un million dollars in taxpayer funds to back
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  Speaker 2: Trump's ballroom. Even though Originally this thing was supposed to
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  Speaker 2: be privately funded, etc.
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  Speaker 4: Etc.
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  Speaker 5: Let's go ahead and take a listen to Lindsey Graham here.
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  Speaker 6: If you don't think four hundred million dollars of tax
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  Speaker 6: payer money is a good investment to create a secure
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  Speaker 6: facility at the White House where the President of the
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  Speaker 6: United States, the Vice President of the Cabinet, and people
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  Speaker 6: from the public can come and have a meal and
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  Speaker 6: gather without what happens Saturday, then I disagree. This is
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  Speaker 6: the number one job of the federal government is national security.
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  Speaker 6: The number one job of national security, I think would
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  Speaker 6: be to protect the commander in chief and to have
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  Speaker 6: infrastructure under the ballroom that is very national security centric.
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  Speaker 6: So I don't think.
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  Speaker 1: Just vote no.
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  Speaker 6: That's all I asked you to do is vote. I
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  Speaker 6: don't care how you vote. I want to vote. I
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  Speaker 6: want to see where is America on this. I'll bet
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  Speaker 6: you ninety percent of the would love to have a
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  Speaker 6: better facility than the Hilton Hotel to make sure this
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  Speaker 6: crap never happens again. I can't tell you what to
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  Speaker 6: say on the Senate floor, but I've never seen it
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  Speaker 6: like this. There are people out there just one click
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  Speaker 6: away from picking up a gun or something else and
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  Speaker 6: trying to make America better by killing You don't make
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  Speaker 6: America great by killing people you don't like.
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  Speaker 5: I love soccer.
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  Speaker 2: His assertion here that a vote on the Senate floor
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  Speaker 2: would be somehow representative of the views of the American people,
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  Speaker 2: that's that's a very cute idea, not to mention the
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  Speaker 2: absurdity of him imagining that ninety percent of Americans at
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  Speaker 2: a time when gas prices are sky high, inflation is
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  Speaker 2: ticking back up, joblessness ticking up, mass layoffs are occurring.
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  Speaker 5: AI were at the war.
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  Speaker 2: All this stuff, that they would be like, Yes, let's
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  Speaker 2: spend our taxpayer dollars on a gilded ballroom for Trump
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  Speaker 2: and his coterie of elites.
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  Speaker 3: Let's remember that the one of the only reasons I
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  Speaker 3: think that Trump was quote getting away with the ballroom is.
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  Speaker 1: Because it was privately funded. Now I actually oppose that.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think any part of the White House complex
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  Speaker 3: should be privately funded. Why Because I want democratic input
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  Speaker 3: and say over every single thing that is built. That's
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  Speaker 3: part of the reason I oppose this entire project. This
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  Speaker 3: has made me much more of an mby by the way,
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  Speaker 3: this is why we need historical codes. Why we need
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  Speaker 3: historical trust, we need architecture review, we need zoning commissions.
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  Speaker 3: It's to keep bullshit like this and tackiness like the
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  Speaker 3: ballroom from ever being constructed. I would consider myself one
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  Speaker 3: of the chief anti ballroom activists in the United States.
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  Speaker 3: Now put this all together, though, is that they're using
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  Speaker 3: this incident to say, not only do we need the ballroom,
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  Speaker 3: but actually we need the ballroom to be paid for
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  Speaker 3: by the American taxpayer. And what he's saying is daring
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  Speaker 3: other people to vote against said ballroom.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, part of what is so.
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  Speaker 3: Preposterous about this entire thing, as I explained yesterday for
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  Speaker 3: anybody who may not have tuned in, is the implication
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  Speaker 3: that any event that the President of the United States
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  Speaker 3: now and forever we'll speak at, must be held at
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  Speaker 3: the White House, because that would mean that the White
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  Speaker 3: House would have total and complete authority over who gets
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  Speaker 3: to enter and do what. For things like the White
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  Speaker 3: House Correspondence Association, which is supposed to be a dinner
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  Speaker 3: celebrating the president. It's adversarial relationship with the president. Now,
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  Speaker 3: it's not that, but I'm saying in spirit, so is
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  Speaker 3: the idea that the White House Correspondence dinner would always
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  Speaker 3: be held by the president.
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  Speaker 1: The president. This is the first one he's ever attended,
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  Speaker 1: Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 3: Every single other one he didn't attend previously, and that
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  Speaker 3: dinner was held with his absence.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, whatever, But let's think about this in the future.
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  Speaker 3: Every gala you have to pay rent to the government
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  Speaker 3: so that the president can come. That seems pretty sick
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  Speaker 3: and weird, don't you think. And then maybe they would
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  Speaker 3: have a little bit of a control over who.
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  Speaker 1: Comes in and who comes out.
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  Speaker 3: Or we could maybe just have a normal Secret Service
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  Speaker 3: barricade which would cost ten to twenty thousand more a night,
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  Speaker 3: and then we're all good to go.
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  Speaker 1: How about that?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I was thinking that too.
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  Speaker 2: Like going back to our conversation with Joe Kent tomorrow, yesterday, tomorrow, yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: I am not a time traveler, guys, I promise not
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  Speaker 2: part of the time traveling conspiracy involved in all of this.
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  Speaker 2: But in any case, yeah, his point was like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: you know, also, another thing you could do is the
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  Speaker 2: Secret Service seems to be not doing such a great
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  Speaker 2: job here.
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  Speaker 5: You could improve that.
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  Speaker 2: You could stop elevating the very people who were at
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  Speaker 2: the scene of like the Butler assassination, where you know,
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  Speaker 2: massive failure occurred to allow this guy on a roof
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  Speaker 2: top with a you know, clear sight line at the
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  Speaker 2: president of the United States.
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  Speaker 5: That's an idea.
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  Speaker 2: So no, instead, we're also back to this all of
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  Speaker 2: this discourse conversation which you, I mean, you just can't
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  Speaker 2: take seriously really from anyone, but especially not from Republicans.
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  Speaker 2: At this point, Trump literally threatened to murder an entire civilization,
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  Speaker 2: and we're supposed to take tips on etiquette and rhetoric
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  Speaker 2: guidance from the Republican Party, which had nothing no problem
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  Speaker 2: with any of that, not to mention all of the
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  Speaker 2: other insane things that Trump says all the time. But
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  Speaker 2: just as an example of this we had and to
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  Speaker 2: show you how much appeal the ballroom has instantly found,
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  Speaker 2: the taxpayer funded ballroom from across the swath of the
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  Speaker 2: Republican Party, we have Eric Schmidt, who is a Republican
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  Speaker 2: Senator for Missouri, also saying that now because Democrats have
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  Speaker 2: been critical of Ice, that it is essential that taxpayers
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  Speaker 2: cough up four hundred million dollars for Trump's ballroom.
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  Speaker 5: Let's take a listen to that.
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  Speaker 7: The Democrats have used rhetoric referring to ICE agents as
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  Speaker 7: the Gestapo, Trump's secret police. They can't help themselves. Like
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  Speaker 7: this is a real sickness. And what we're saying is
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  Speaker 7: this has to be addressed. At a minimum, we have
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  Speaker 7: to have a safe place to protect the President of
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  Speaker 7: the United States and the cabinet officials if they want
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  Speaker 7: to gather or there's a state dinner or a crowd
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  Speaker 7: more than like one hundred people. But this is now
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  Speaker 7: in order to appease the more radicalized base. The language
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  Speaker 7: that comes out on the Senate floor. I'm not talking
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  Speaker 7: about on like Mourning Joe, Like on the Senate floor.
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  Speaker 7: You guys are there, you hear this. This is well
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  Speaker 7: beyond what has been acceptable forever, and we we'ret we're
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  Speaker 7: at it's entertaining to me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is why.
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  Speaker 2: This is why, because people said things, mean things about
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  Speaker 2: Ice on the Senate floor, not just on Morning Joe Sager,
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  Speaker 2: which is like the only I guess that was his
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  Speaker 2: benchmark for like radical thought was the panel over at
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  Speaker 2: Morning Joe.
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  Speaker 5: It's just it's so preposterous.
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  Speaker 2: But I really, I really want to lean into some
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  Speaker 2: of the things Lindsey Graham was saying about how listen,
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  Speaker 2: take this to the American people.
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  Speaker 5: Run on this in the midterms.
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  Speaker 2: Go ahead, go ahead, tell them why they need to
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  Speaker 2: spend taxpayer dollars on this gilded ballroom for Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, really make that case to them at
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  Speaker 2: a time when they are deeply dissatisfied with the economy,
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  Speaker 2: when we've been dragged into this war that virtually no
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  Speaker 2: one wanted. I think you should really prioritize this in
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  Speaker 2: your messaging to the American people. And let's have a
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  Speaker 2: democratic say over what direction they want to go in here.
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  Speaker 3: And then we can scrutinize the funding. Let's put C
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  Speaker 3: four up here on the screen. This is actually very
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  Speaker 3: interesting to build his mammoth white house ballroom. President Trump
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  Speaker 3: last summer chose Maryland based Clark Construction. Since then, Trump
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  Speaker 3: has repeatedly sung the company's praises, saying he wanted to
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  Speaker 3: refurbish projects all over Washington. In January, government contracts show
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  Speaker 3: the Trump administration secretly gave the company a no bid
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  Speaker 3: contract to do another job at a sharply inflated price.
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  Speaker 3: The National Park Service wanted to repair two ornamental fountains
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  Speaker 3: in Lafayette Park. The Biden administration estimated it would cost
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  Speaker 3: him three point three million. Trump's government agreed to pay
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  Speaker 3: to Clark twelve million to do it. Later, it added
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  Speaker 3: tasks and increased the contract to seventeen point four million dollars.
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  Speaker 3: The agency did so without considering offers from other firms,
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  Speaker 3: citing a rarely used urgency exception to normal open bidding
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  Speaker 3: procedures usually meant for emergencies like war or natural disasters.
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  Speaker 3: Unlike the ballroom project, Trump says, we'll be funded by
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  Speaker 3: private donations. The bill for the fountain repairs is being
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  Speaker 3: paid by the government. So again, this is for a
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  Speaker 3: fountain in Lafayette Park, which is just across the street
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  Speaker 3: from the White House. If you've ever visited in front
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  Speaker 3: of the iconic place, there's like, you know, benches and
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  Speaker 3: other things that are there. And twenty million dollars for
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  Speaker 3: a fountains renovation, which previously was estimated three point three million.
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  Speaker 1: Now, listen, you know, we all can understand inflation, but.
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  Speaker 3: Seventeen million dollars, I don't know about that, all right.
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  Speaker 3: Clark Construction, Clark Construction, from what I know, at the
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  Speaker 3: very least, I remember that because I went to GW
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  Speaker 3: so they did all of the downtown and we were
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  Speaker 3: always like, who is this firm? And so now I'm like, oh, okay,
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  Speaker 3: so you're now in with the Trump administration.
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  Speaker 1: You're making sure you're building.
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  Speaker 3: The ballroom, and they're behind a lot of this. Look,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, construction is the ultimate racket. As Trump himself
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  Speaker 3: will tell you, all you have to do is for
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  Speaker 3: his book about the Art of the Deal, which is
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  Speaker 3: specifically about like scheming and making sure how to get
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  Speaker 3: his Trump Tower and all of that built. So yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I'm starting to think that something above this might not
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  Speaker 3: be one hundred percent above board.
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  Speaker 8: Just me.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean everything's just you know, pay to play
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  Speaker 2: in this administration. Clark was willing to do the ballroom
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  Speaker 2: in the most grotesque way that Trump imagined. I think
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  Speaker 2: there was a different architecture firm that originally been you hired.
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  Speaker 2: They had to be pushed down because they were like,
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  Speaker 2: this is monstrosity. So Clark going to, I guess, do
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  Speaker 2: whatever Trump wants them to do, and so in return,
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  Speaker 2: He's going to funnel them millions of dollars for look
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  Speaker 2: already probably three million dollars, which was the original estimate
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  Speaker 2: to rehab a couple fountains seems kind of crazy. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: if we're being honest, and this article goes into detail
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  Speaker 2: about like these aren't really like super complicated fountains, it
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  Speaker 2: shouldn't be that big of a deal. There are many
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  Speaker 2: more complicated fountains in the city of DC. These are
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  Speaker 2: pretty plain vanilla in terms of what needs to be done.
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  Speaker 2: But we understand these things always cost more than you
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  Speaker 2: think they're going to cost.
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  Speaker 5: So, okay, three million.
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  Speaker 2: What they did in the contract is they increased it
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  Speaker 2: for inflation and then by millions of dollars. Then they
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  Speaker 2: increased it again for inflation dollars. Then they just added
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  Speaker 2: on some random surplus and I can't remember what sort
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  Speaker 2: of like you know, corporate jargon they use to justify.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they just took it and added on millions
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  Speaker 2: of dollars in what appears to be a pure kickback.
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  Speaker 2: No one would be surprised either if someone in the
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  Speaker 2: family is getting a taste of this or whatever. But
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  Speaker 2: this is the way the entire administration operates, you know.
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  Speaker 2: To connect it to the war here, which I think
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  Speaker 2: basically everything is in some way connected to the Iran war.
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  Speaker 2: We just take it for granted that two of the
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  Speaker 2: people who are involved in these negotiations at the highest
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  Speaker 2: level Witkof and Kushner. Kusher not even in the government,
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  Speaker 2: He's just Trump's relative. Both of them have massive, massive
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  Speaker 2: financial interests directly implicated in the Middle East. This is
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  Speaker 2: part of the problem with the negotiations to begin with.
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  Speaker 2: The Iranians think that Witkough is just an Israeli is sorry,
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  Speaker 2: Kushner is the Israeli stooge.
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  Speaker 5: Wikoff.
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  Speaker 2: They think is just too stupid to really understand the
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  Speaker 2: technical details and is basically a waste of space there,
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  Speaker 2: which is why they've insisted like at least we need
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  Speaker 2: jd vance there because he may have some intelligence and
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  Speaker 2: seems to not be completely psychotic. I don't know that
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  Speaker 2: their trust is really fairly placed there, but that's the
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  Speaker 2: way they feel about this. So in any case, this
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  Speaker 2: is part for the course, for the way that this
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  Speaker 2: administration operates. Just to go back momentarily to the you know,
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  Speaker 2: the attempted shooting at the White House course by dinner,
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  Speaker 2: we have some new information this morning that it doesn't
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  Speaker 2: look like the you know, the alleged would be assassin
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  Speaker 2: here actually was able to get off any shots. The
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  Speaker 2: latest reporting is that it was all the Secret Service firing,
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  Speaker 2: that they may have accidentally hit one of their own.
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  Speaker 2: So again to the idea of like what do we
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  Speaker 2: do We need a ballroom or maybe we just need
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  Speaker 2: a secret surface that's more competent. That seems to argue
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  Speaker 2: in that direction. Look no shade at them. I know
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  Speaker 2: they have a tough job. It's certainly not a job
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  Speaker 2: that I would be capable or able to perform successfully.
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  Speaker 2: But in any case, it's looking like there was, you know,
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  Speaker 2: a bit of a chaotic scene here in apprehending this
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  Speaker 2: would be assassin, and he appeared in court yesterday. It's
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  Speaker 2: also been interesting Sager to get a look at cnn
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  Speaker 2: K file dug into all of his posts on social media,
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  Speaker 2: of which there are thousands, and the ideological profile is
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  Speaker 2: kind of fascinating and terrifying. He's like pro Israel, pro you.
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  Speaker 2: He thinks that Hassan Piker. He was literally like at
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  Speaker 2: the time when he was traveling across the country to assassinate,
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  Speaker 2: to try to assassinate the president, was posting about how
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  Speaker 2: Hassan Piker is too radical, Like what.
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  Speaker 4: Are we like?
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  Speaker 5: What how does this? How was this making sense in
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  Speaker 5: your brain?
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  Speaker 2: He was objecting to whatever Hassan said about like petty theft,
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  Speaker 2: he thought that would collapse the social fabric and be
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  Speaker 2: a real problem for society. As he's going about plotting
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  Speaker 2: this assassination.
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  Speaker 3: Attempt at incredible I mean, I think both are bad.
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  Speaker 3: I do think trying to commit a high level political
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  Speaker 3: violence seems pretty bad. I can't explain why it makes
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  Speaker 3: sense that the shooter is bluing on like they actually
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  Speaker 3: are the most radical people who are on the planet.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody's always, you know, concerned, but it really is the
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  Speaker 3: bluing on types which are ready to rock and roll.
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  Speaker 3: I know this from having lived around them now for
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  Speaker 3: quite some time. But yeah, like you said, there's been
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  Speaker 3: some details we have here the charges that were released
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  Speaker 3: against him the FBI and by the Acting Attorney General,
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  Speaker 3: Todd blanche Let's take a listen.
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  Speaker 1: This is C six.
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  Speaker 9: Today, the Department of Justice filed three federal charges in
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  Speaker 9: the United States different court against Cole Thomas Allen. The
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  Speaker 9: first count is a tempted assassination of the President of
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  Speaker 9: the United States. This count is punishable by up to
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  Speaker 9: life in prison. The second count is interstate transportation of
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  Speaker 9: a firearm to commit a felony, this is punishable by
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  Speaker 9: up to ten years in prison. And the third count
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  Speaker 9: is discharge of a firearm during a crime of violence,
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  Speaker 9: which is punishable by a mandatory minimum term of imprisonment
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  Speaker 9: of ten years a maximum of life, and the ten
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  Speaker 9: years is consecutive to any other sentence imposed.
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  Speaker 1: So there you go.
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  Speaker 3: They've charged in multiple gun crimes, attempted assassination of President Trump.
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  Speaker 3: Very likely he's looking at life in prison. That's probably
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  Speaker 3: what he's going to get. So that's where things stand
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  Speaker 3: of right now. I know we covered the conspiracy stuff yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: I know it's fun to delve into. But you know,
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  Speaker 3: I think even now is a good example if you
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  Speaker 3: go in the frint because every be like, oh, he
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  Speaker 3: wants to save his poles and all of that. And look,
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  Speaker 3: I criticize CNN and all that. I think they spent
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  Speaker 3: way too much time on the shooting. But you know,
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  Speaker 3: front page of the Wall Street Journal, it's uae opek
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  Speaker 3: open ai missus revenue Claudia shinebomb.
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  Speaker 1: Iran is flooded with oil.
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  Speaker 3: You have to scroll down to the bottom fold to
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  Speaker 3: get anything on the shooting. It's the same over at
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  Speaker 3: the Times and everywhere else. So if it was a syop,
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  Speaker 3: it was one of the most poorly executed syops of
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  Speaker 3: all time. I guess he did get his legislation on
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  Speaker 3: the ballroom. However, you know, again, if you want to
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  Speaker 3: talk about this from polling trying to elevate the ballroom
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  Speaker 3: to the center of the conversation, I mean, I don't
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: think Trump is that dumb, but look, maybe he doesn't care.
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: So you know, for the conspiracy people out there, I
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: guess you still have your fadder.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: If we're considering the ballroom construction.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: I couldn't believe even brand Paul was like, yes, let's
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: fund the ballroom. Like, dude, aren't you supposed to be
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: like against wasteful government spending. Didn't we have a whole
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: thing at the beginning of this administration with DoD that
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, we can't afford ten million
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: dollars of research into pediatric cancer or whatever.
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: And now we're like, we must. It is the most.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: Essential task of the federal government. And this is like
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: the language they were literally using, it is the most
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: essential task of the federal government to build this ballroom.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: We will have this ballroom. I don't know wild time,
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: So if that was if it was a false flag
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: and the goal was to push the ballroom in that
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: way soccer, you have to admit it would have been
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: a successful Yeah.
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: I guess this is pretty stupid to me, But yeah,
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: all right, keep believing what you want to believe.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: Speaking of things that are stupid and offensive, let's talk
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: about this push another legislative push here. Really love the
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: way our legislators are spending their time to provide certain
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: benefits to that are normally only available to US service members.
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: To those who serve in the IDF.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: Like I could not really have I could not have
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: imagined something that is so insane and so as we
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: said yesterday, like tailor made to make people resent Israel
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: even more than they increasingly do. But let's go and
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: put this up on the screen from military dot Com.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: The emerging push to extend some US benefits to IDF soldiers.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: A real policy push emerged in twenty twenty four to
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: extend certain legal protections to Americans who served in the IDF.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: In twenty twenty four, members of Congress introduced HR eight
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: four four five, a bill that would have amended federal
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: law to provide for the eligibility of US citizens who
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: serve in the Israeli Defense Forces for certain protections relating
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: to such service. They go on to talk about how
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: under current law, these veterans benefits are tied to service
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: in the US Armed Forces. Oh really, okay, that that
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: is the definition veteran. Well, they want to change that
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: definition for certain benefits and specifically certain legal protections. So
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: specifically what they're trying to extend, and I'm still reading
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: from this article, they say the Service Member Civil Relief
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: Act provides protections such as limits on interst rates, protections
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: against eviction and foreclosure, and relief in certain legal proceedings.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: They also want to extend the Uniform Services Employment and
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: re Employment Rights Act, which guarantees that individuals who leave
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: civilian employment for military service can return to their jobs
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: and are protected from discrimination. Both of these saga are
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: really significant benefits. I mean, the ability to leave your job,
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: go and serve in the IDF and come back with
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: a guarantee that you're going to have that job protected
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: and be able to return to that job, that is
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: a very substantial benefit. Protections against eviction and certain special
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: treatment in legal proceedings also a very significant benefit. And
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: the idea that we would give this to Americans who
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: are serving in a foreign military is just completely bananas
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: to me.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, I mean reading through this, the proposal explicitly
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: frames it as deserving of treatment similar to military service
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: for protections. Now, again, how real is this? I mean,
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: it's been introduced in Congress at the very least. Look,
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: all kinds of crazy stuff gets added into Congress every
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: single day. Usually something like this gets headline treatment, like,
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: let's say, if we're a Democrat, you know, or something,
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: the Republicans would do a big press conference on it.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: To my knowledge, there has not been any sort of
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: denouncement of this, let's say, by the Democratic leadership or elevation.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: It's been quietly published here over at military dot com.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: It's gotten quite a bit of analysis from commentators and
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: other people like us, but it's not the scandal here
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: in Washington that it should be. And look, I don't
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: expect this to actually become policy, but there are real
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: questions that have always this state around the IDF and
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: US citizens serving in the IDF. It literally says in
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: your passport that you're not supposed to serve in a
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: foreign military, and yet we just seem to turn a
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: blind eye, you know, to all of these Americans who
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: go over there. You know, you'll even see it with
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: idea of casualties. They'll be like so and so of
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: Connecticut and you're like, what what was that? Or you know, remember,
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: didn't we play an IDF spokesperson here?
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: This guy is clearly.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: From America, right, I mean we were like, oh, we're
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: like interesting accent, what was that. I remember when I
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: was in Israel, I would meet people be like, oh,
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: where are you from, expecting them to say, like, you know, Haifa,
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: and they're like, oh, I'm from Boston. I was like what, Like, okay,
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: you know, I wasn't aware there's over a million people
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: who are citizens who live in the country.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: It's not that big of a country.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: So you could say very clearly like there's a lot
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: of Americans who are over there. There's a real culture
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: of Americans going to serve in the IDF.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: That's fine if you want to make that choice. I
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: think you should lose your citizenship, like immediately.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: I definitely think there's no such thing as dual citizens
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: in my opinion, should be abolished entirely. It kind of
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: goes against the idea of citizenship in the first place,
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: but connecting it to something bigger. This is more of
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: a you know, this is more of the special exception
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: policy that we've always made that it extends now to
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: the very basis of citizenship itself. So put the next
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: one up here on the screen. I think this one
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: is just crazy. In guidance now to immigration officers, the
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: administration describes participating in any pro Palestinian protests and criticizing
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: Israel as overwhelmingly negative factors for any potential green card
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: seeker here in the United States. So look, remember, like,
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: what should be extremely disqualifying as citizens? Should we all?
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: Can we agree on things? Chrystal, youve and I disagree?
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: For me?
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: What would be extremely disqualifying green card? You don't speak English? GTFO,
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: you shouldn't be applying for a green card If you don't,
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: are you aren't able to prove that you have a
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: wage which is going to sustain you and make sure
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: that you're not on welfare?
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, GTFO.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: Otherwise, But views on Israel has no bearing on my
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: life or your ability to contribute or be a good
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: citizen whatsoever. And yet that's being included here as overwhelmingly
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: negative as a factor and remember too, this is going
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: to apply for the World Cup and for all of
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: these foreign entrance to the United States, because while this
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: is for Green card, they're also screening a lot of
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: travelers who are coming into the country and none of
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: it has anything to do with us.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the grease.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Well, it will not surprise you to learn that my
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: criteria for Green card holders would be different and less
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: stringent than yours.
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: But in any case, what I.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Think is worth it's a good argument, though, don't all right?
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: What is what is noteworthy here though, and what's noteworthy
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: with the previous story about extending veterans benefits to IDF
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: soldiers is that this is the only country we treat
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: this way, the only one. Like if you say nice
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: things about like, you know, let's take pick another official
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: bad guide nation in the world about like North Korea. Yeh,
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: that's not gonna that's not going to bar you. You
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: know that, You'll be fine. They're not even gonna look
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: for that, right, they won't care. But if you have
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: wrong think on Israel, oh well, now this is this
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: is outright. Wait, you believe in human rights for Palestini,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: we can't have that. That goes against our Western civilizational values.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: This belief in universal human rights, including for Palaestin's can't
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: have that. And that's I think the thing that people
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: are really picking up on and it's driving them crazy.
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: It's something we've talked about too, with all of the
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: laws that have been passed that make it illegal to
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: participate in a boycott of Israel. In that case, you know,
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: you can you can boycott American companies, but you can't.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: It's illegal to boycott this one country. That's a third.
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: It's a direct.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Infringement on our rights as Americans. You know, some of
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: the things that I actually really care about and appreciate
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: about this country, and I think it's you know, some
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: of the best parts of what makes you know, this
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: nation something that you would be proud of. And with
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: regard to the IDF service members things, you know, even Ukraine,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: we have Americans who have gone and flown to Ukraine
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: to fight for the Ukrainians. They don't get these benefits either.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: So it's it really is just this one country. And
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: why it's because they're very well organized. You have this
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: you know, religious component where you've got you know, so
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: you've got a very fervent ideological push, and then you
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: have a lot of you know, organized funding that pushes
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: in this direction. So Miry Maddilson is oftentimes held out,
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: but she's an important example.
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: Of just how much money is in being.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Pro Israel and supporting whatever it is that Israel wants
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: to do. So not only does it help push us
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: into wars that you know, most Americans don't support. And
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: again I've talked about how it's not all Israel. There
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: are empire interests at stake here as well, or at
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: least received empire interests as well, but that is a
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: major factor. But it also then gets into infringing on
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: our own rights, and I think that is something that
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Americans are increasingly aware of and just find the whole
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: situation to be sort of insane and crazy making.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I really don't look it's like you said,
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: we can all have good and fine disagreements about what
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: it means to be a US citizen. I just don't
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: think it's I think it's nuts for anybody who is
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: so clearly loyal to a foreign country to allow that
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: level of influence, like Miriam adel I mean, Trump literally
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: said it. Don't believe me where he's like, oh, does
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: she love Israel or America? She didn't say.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: I think we know that. What was a joke? I
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: mean he said it. He says it out loud in
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: the open.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: So and yet if anybody else says it, you're an
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: anti Semite. It's like, well, Sheldon Nagelsen her you know,
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: husband deceased.
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: Husband.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: Didn't he literally say I wish I had served in
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: the IDF instead of the us R.
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm pretty sure he did. Yeah, I mean sure
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: he did.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: What are we doing here? These are real quotes. It's
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: not just me so anyway that's a legislation. Is it
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: being denounced?
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: No?
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: Is there any of this, you know, even going to
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: any Is any of this gonna come to fruition?
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: I hope not at this point, though I'm not so sure.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: I'd put it past them. And at the very least
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: we already know.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: Weren't there cases of there's some guy who served in
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: the idea if he came back here and I think
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: he was facing like some sort of threat, not like
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: a real threat like somebody I forget exactly. But the
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: Trump administration like freaked out and provided all of the security.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: It's kind of like you said about Ukraine.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: I mean, if you go and fight for Ukraine and
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: some Russian guys mad at you, I mean, that's on
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: you man.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: You know, it's like you're the one who.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: Chose to go to Ukraine and to go into insert
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: yourself into a foreign cub You asked me, shouldn't even
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: have citizen shit?
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Period?
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: All right, you should get pulled at the moment you're
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: fighting in a foreign one. But okay, so you come
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: back and then we're supposed to embroil ourselves on your side.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Sorry, it doesn't work that way at least.
• 27:55
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean this thing about the moral landscape here too,
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: Like you're gonna go and go be and gaza and
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: murder like women and children, and then we're going to
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: celebrate you and give you benefits for that.
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: It's just I mean, it's sick.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: It's sick for all the people who talk about Western
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: civilization and values and blah blah blah, that that's the
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: actual values that you're representing, and it's representsable. I mean,
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: for any anyone who wants to consider themselves civilized. I
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: think that's a reprehensible moral landscape.
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: There.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: You go, all right, let's get to let's get to
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: Shiel Ben e from He's standing by.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Joining us now to talk about a little bit of
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: Israeli domestic politics, what's going on with the quote unquote
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: ceasefire in Lebanon, and also some very interesting comments from
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: ADL's Jonathan Greenblatt. Is Shiel Ben e Fhraim. He's a
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: geopolitical analyst and host of Dispatches from Hell with Shiel,
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: which I recommend. I'm maybe checking out your video content
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: there and also histories of the Holy Land.
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: Great see you you see man.
• 28:52
  Speaker 10: Always a pleasure.
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So let's go ahead throw this tear sheet up
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: on the screen.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: We're interested to get your analysis of whether or not
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: this is significant. So two quote unquote opposition leaders not
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: tally Bennett and Ye are Lapide, who no one would
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: call really moderate. They also have very extreme views, but
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: in any case they are teaming up together in an
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: attempt to oppose net Nya who We've got this new
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: poll from Times of Israel showing that this Lapide Bennett
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: union is edging out LACU. That of course Isntnia who's
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: party as the largest party. Give us a little bit
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: of background here and how people should be thinking about
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: the significance of this development.
• 29:28
  Speaker 10: Yeah, so the main importance of this regards the internal
• 29:35
  Speaker 10: allocation of seats within the anti Nathaniao block. It's it's
• 29:40
  Speaker 10: really an ego personality thing. You had God the Eisenkotte,
• 29:47
  Speaker 10: who's a former general who has a lot of popularity,
• 29:52
  Speaker 10: and then you had yeah, you're Lapede and you have
• 29:54
  Speaker 10: not really Bennett, and they were all fighting over who
• 29:56
  Speaker 10: would be running this this block. So this cement the
• 30:01
  Speaker 10: dominance of naftally Bennett, who was probably going to be
• 30:04
  Speaker 10: getting the most seats anyway, So it matters in that sense.
• 30:11
  Speaker 10: You mentioned that that Bennett and Lapede are both quite extreme,
• 30:16
  Speaker 10: but traditionally Lapede was much more moderate than Bennett. They've
• 30:23
  Speaker 10: always had good personal relationships, one of the reasons this happened.
• 30:26
  Speaker 10: But on an ideological spectrum they Lapeede is from Tel
• 30:32
  Speaker 10: Aviv liberal elites, nothally Bennett is more pro settler, so
• 30:36
  Speaker 10: they wouldn't be sitting together a few years ago. But
• 30:41
  Speaker 10: today the liberal Zionist movement doesn't really have any content
• 30:47
  Speaker 10: to it because you can't be for a Palestinian state anymore.
• 30:52
  Speaker 10: You can't before dismantling settlements anymore all things that Lapide
• 30:54
  Speaker 10: has said in the past. So now his views are
• 30:58
  Speaker 10: actually indistinguishable from Bennett's. So he has become extreme, but
• 31:02
  Speaker 10: that's not where he comes from, and that has has
• 31:05
  Speaker 10: a lot of significance. As for their popularity vis a
• 31:10
  Speaker 10: vive Nathaniel, I think the fact that there only one
• 31:12
  Speaker 10: mandate ahead ofly could according to the ladies pol I've
• 31:15
  Speaker 10: seen when they just got united and they had that
• 31:19
  Speaker 10: early enthusiasm quote unquote, if not a very good sign
• 31:23
  Speaker 10: for this Benett la Piede union. I wouldn't be surprised
• 31:26
  Speaker 10: that they end up getting fewer votes than Nathaniell, but
• 31:31
  Speaker 10: their block will be larger than Nathaniel's block. But without
• 31:36
  Speaker 10: cooperation with the Arab parties, which they seem to be against,
• 31:39
  Speaker 10: especially Bennett's that he wouldn't sit with the Arab parties,
• 31:43
  Speaker 10: they may not have enough votes to unseat Nathanieo. It
• 31:48
  Speaker 10: may end up in a coalition with Nathaniell. So it's
• 31:52
  Speaker 10: it's very cosmetic and very internal to the anti Nathaniel block.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: So if we're keeping with what's going on, obviously we
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: trying to decipher this is very difficult let's go to
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: the next one. This is the e one Al Jazeera,
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: the Israel's Army chief says twenty twenty six is likely
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: to be the year of fighting on all fronts as
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: urgent need for more soldiers. So Chielle, no matter who
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: wins the election, from Yaya Lapede to Naftali Benetu be
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: Mine and Yahoo, they do seem completely united in continuing
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: the war all fronts or am I looking at that
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: incorrectly in conjunction with this Army chief of Staff statement.
• 32:30
  Speaker 10: So it's very hard to answer that in advance, and
• 32:36
  Speaker 10: on a very basic level, you're correct that whether it's
• 32:40
  Speaker 10: Bennett Lapde or Nathanielle, with the current viewpoint of Israeli
• 32:47
  Speaker 10: society and the current geopolitical alignment, fighting will likely continue
• 32:52
  Speaker 10: for a very long time.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: But I wouldn't take what.
• 32:55
  Speaker 10: The IDF chief of Staff is saying too seriously in
• 33:00
  Speaker 10: terms of politics, because keep in mind twenty twenty six
• 33:03
  Speaker 10: were already deep into it and the elections should they
• 33:06
  Speaker 10: be held normally, Israel has its doubts just like the
• 33:09
  Speaker 10: United States has about the midterms are going to be
• 33:12
  Speaker 10: held in October, and then the new government won't be
• 33:16
  Speaker 10: in until sometime in twenty twenty seven. So this isn't
• 33:19
  Speaker 10: really a comment on the next government. This is more
• 33:22
  Speaker 10: a comment on Nitanio. And there is a difference between
• 33:25
  Speaker 10: Nataniao and Bennett in terms of waging wars. Not so
• 33:28
  Speaker 10: much that Bennett is a dove and Nathaniao is a hawk,
• 33:31
  Speaker 10: because that's certainly not the case. Rather that Bennett wouldn't
• 33:35
  Speaker 10: have that same structural need than Nataniao has to have
• 33:38
  Speaker 10: constant war in order to avoid a investigation of October seventh,
• 33:44
  Speaker 10: and in order to try to distract and end his
• 33:47
  Speaker 10: criminal trials. Those aren't things that Bennett has. Bennett has
• 33:51
  Speaker 10: more flexibility to come to a deal with whether it's Hamas,
• 33:56
  Speaker 10: whether it's Hezabalah, whether it's Iran that he thinks is
• 33:59
  Speaker 10: beneficial for Israeli security. Nathanielle has an urge based on
• 34:05
  Speaker 10: his legal and political troubles, to keep escalating. So with
• 34:11
  Speaker 10: then it we might see fighting that's just as fierce
• 34:14
  Speaker 10: as under Nathaniel maybe even more so, but perhaps deals
• 34:19
  Speaker 10: that will last longer than they currently do because he
• 34:22
  Speaker 10: doesn't have that domestic political inputus to keep going.
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: That's an interesting point.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: I also think there could be some American political ramifications,
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: because the remaining people here are trying to hold on
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: to liberal Zionism as a coherent position. They like to
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: point to like, oh, well, nannaw, he's just a bad guy,
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: you know, I got to get him out of there
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: and then everything will be fine. They lose that talking
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: point if he is no longer Prime Minister of Israel.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: So it'd be interesting to see what new narrative they
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: shift to an attempt to excuse that the unexcusable coming
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: from Israelitian collaboration with the United States. I also wanted
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: to get Shail your view on what is going on
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: in LEFTS because I think you've been a very keen
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: observer here. You had this supposed ceasefire, I mean that's
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: completely over at this point. You've had Israel you engaged
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: in massive bombings. HESBLA is bragging about some of their capabilities.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: They released this footage of drones successfully targeting IDF soldiers,
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: and in fact, there have been a few idea of
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: soldiers who have been killed in recent days by HESBLO.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: And I know you've been talking about some of the
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: technology that is being deployed here, but just give us
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: a sense of the status on the ground and where
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: you think this is headed.
• 35:32
  Speaker 10: Yeah, so it's really been a bad few days for
• 35:35
  Speaker 10: the IDF in Lebanon. So the first thing is they
• 35:41
  Speaker 10: feel very constrained by this quote unquote ceasefire. Now it's
• 35:45
  Speaker 10: not a ceasefire in the traditional term because the fire
• 35:47
  Speaker 10: hasn't ceased, so it's a misnomer. But it doesn't mean
• 35:50
  Speaker 10: that it's not significant because Crump has basically ordered Israel
• 35:54
  Speaker 10: to stop advancing, and Israel's not advancing anymore. What they're
• 35:58
  Speaker 10: doing is destroying everything where they are, and that matters
• 36:02
  Speaker 10: a lot because the IDF soldiers are standing pat more
• 36:05
  Speaker 10: or less in certain positions. This is allowing Hesbala to
• 36:09
  Speaker 10: use IEDs as they always have, They've killed too soldiers
• 36:14
  Speaker 10: that way, but also to use these kind of drones
• 36:16
  Speaker 10: that are attached to Ethernet cables which are impossible for
• 36:22
  Speaker 10: the IDF to intercept or to identify before they make impact.
• 36:28
  Speaker 10: That's what killed a soldier two days ago, and that's
• 36:31
  Speaker 10: what injured several other soldiers yesterday.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: And really they have no.
• 36:39
  Speaker 10: Real solutions for you know, Hesbela learned a lot from
• 36:42
  Speaker 10: what's happening in Ukraine and are using a lot of
• 36:45
  Speaker 10: those relatively combined high tech low tech solutions like these groans,
• 36:50
  Speaker 10: and Israel hasn't learned enough from that, just like the
• 36:53
  Speaker 10: United States hasn't learned enough from that, like we see
• 36:55
  Speaker 10: in the war in Iran, and that's leading to loss
• 36:58
  Speaker 10: of life. And then there's also the wider strategic question
• 37:03
  Speaker 10: of what happens if Israel does achieve its goal of
• 37:06
  Speaker 10: reaching the Latani. The IDEF believes correctly that Hesbella now
• 37:11
  Speaker 10: has the ability to overshoot any security zone very easily
• 37:15
  Speaker 10: with drones and missiles, and will be able to continue
• 37:19
  Speaker 10: to hit northern Israel. So there's so much frustration among
• 37:23
  Speaker 10: the IDF, and a lot of people are saying that
• 37:26
  Speaker 10: it would have been much better to keep the previous
• 37:29
  Speaker 10: ceasefire and that there's really nothing to be gained by
• 37:35
  Speaker 10: this current operation. There's there's real fear that the Idea
• 37:40
  Speaker 10: of will do everything that they can in Lebanon and
• 37:43
  Speaker 10: Haswell will still be able to shoot northern Israel. And
• 37:46
  Speaker 10: this is very consequential because the people living in the
• 37:50
  Speaker 10: towns in northern Israel, they've never really returned, and they're
• 37:54
  Speaker 10: Israel's worried that they'll turn into ghost towns, and that
• 37:56
  Speaker 10: would be a major strategic boon for Hesbelah if they're
• 38:02
  Speaker 10: able to achieve this. And also on a political level,
• 38:07
  Speaker 10: Hesbela has gained a lot of power in Lebanon now
• 38:10
  Speaker 10: that Israel's invading, because that puts a lot of sympathy
• 38:13
  Speaker 10: towards them when Israel is seen as the invader instead
• 38:17
  Speaker 10: of in the past when Hesbela was seen as sort
• 38:19
  Speaker 10: of a trouble maker for no reason in Lebanon. So
• 38:23
  Speaker 10: also on the political level, I was very concerned with
• 38:25
  Speaker 10: how this is going. None of this is going well
• 38:27
  Speaker 10: for him.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: While we have you, Schiel, we wanted to get your
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: reaction to a new statement from Jonathan Greenblatz over at
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: the ADL and why and how the term of universal
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: or universalism and protecting Jews should be restricted only in
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: his view to Jews.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.
• 38:46
  Speaker 8: So we were founded original people. They wrote a charter
• 38:50
  Speaker 8: that we still use today as our mission statement or
• 38:52
  Speaker 8: words from it that we exist. Our mission is to
• 38:56
  Speaker 8: stop the defamation of the Jewish people and secure justice
• 38:59
  Speaker 8: in fair treatment to all. I am not for myself,
• 39:01
  Speaker 8: who will be only for myself? What am I Jews
• 39:04
  Speaker 8: can only be safe when everyone is safe. So ADL
• 39:06
  Speaker 8: for literally more than a century has focused on fighting
• 39:10
  Speaker 8: for the Jewish people and fighting for all people who
• 39:12
  Speaker 8: experience the bigotry.
• 39:13
  Speaker 9: And hey, why isn't the Adel just about anti Semitism.
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: It's interesting.
• 39:17
  Speaker 8: So this was the founding kind of precept of the organization.
• 39:21
  Speaker 8: It was predicated on this idea. But I think there's
• 39:23
  Speaker 8: something to keep in mind. ADL's you know here I am,
• 39:26
  Speaker 8: and what kind of jewel ay you? ADL's what is
• 39:28
  Speaker 8: our mission statement? Like what we do stop the defamation up?
• 39:31
  Speaker 8: But that's not our why, our why, our core purpose,
• 39:35
  Speaker 8: why we were founded. What was the reason to create
• 39:38
  Speaker 8: It was not Jews are safe. That's the hypothesis of
• 39:42
  Speaker 8: what we do. The why is to protect the Jewish people,
• 39:44
  Speaker 8: To protect the Jews. That's why we exist. So we
• 39:47
  Speaker 8: don't exist for some universalist ideal. We exist to protect
• 39:51
  Speaker 8: the Jews because in Leo Frank was hanging from a rope.
• 39:55
  Speaker 8: There was no one there to stop it from happening.
• 39:57
  Speaker 8: When Jews were being slaughtered, there was no one there
• 40:00
  Speaker 8: to stop it. So that's why we exist.
• 40:02
  Speaker 10: Your reaction there, it's very distressing to hear to hear
• 40:08
  Speaker 10: him move away from the actual mission statement of the
• 40:11
  Speaker 10: a d L. But it's also really not at all surprising.
• 40:17
  Speaker 10: That's the direction the ADL has been going in since
• 40:23
  Speaker 10: Trump was elected, towards just focus on only Jews and
• 40:32
  Speaker 10: often supporting and this is why he's saying it supporting
• 40:37
  Speaker 10: very violent Islamophobia and other forms of racism when it's
• 40:43
  Speaker 10: deployed by people who are pro Israel. And what's missing
• 40:48
  Speaker 10: from this statement, of course, is the fact that he's
• 40:51
  Speaker 10: not even the mission statement of the ADL in reality
• 40:54
  Speaker 10: isn't to protect the Jews either. It's to protect Israel
• 40:58
  Speaker 10: and to protect pro Israel activists, to protect the Zionist movement.
• 41:03
  Speaker 10: You know, there's an increasing number of Jews who are
• 41:08
  Speaker 10: either anti Zionist or not Zionist, or very critical of
• 41:12
  Speaker 10: Israel at least, and green Blud defines those Jews as
• 41:18
  Speaker 10: antisemites and attacks on them, for example, protesters Jewish protesters
• 41:25
  Speaker 10: against the genocide and Gaza. He sees his antisemites and
• 41:30
  Speaker 10: as enemies, and not only does he not protect those Jews,
• 41:34
  Speaker 10: but also he demonizes those Jews and is happy to
• 41:38
  Speaker 10: see them pay all sorts of consequences. For expressing their rights.
• 41:43
  Speaker 10: So even the fact that he's narrowing the mission of
• 41:47
  Speaker 10: the ADL officially so much in such a distasteful way
• 41:52
  Speaker 10: is actually still not an honest assessment of what the
• 41:55
  Speaker 10: ADEL is doing. They're protecting people who are pro Israel,
• 41:59
  Speaker 10: including Christian Zionists, and they're not protecting Jews who don't
• 42:05
  Speaker 10: support genocide and don't support the horrific policies of the
• 42:08
  Speaker 10: State of Israel. So the reality is actually more chilling
• 42:11
  Speaker 10: than the disturbing things that green Blood just said.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and not only that, but you know, he is
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: one that insists on conflating all Jews and associating all Jews,
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: including those like yourself who've been deeply critical of the genocide,
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: with the barbaric acts of the Israeli state. So, you know,
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: far from combating any sort of anti Semitism, you know,
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: he probably is one of the leading purveyors of anti
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: Semitism in certainly American politics.
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: Schiel again dispatches from Hell. Wishiel.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: We're going to do the collaborate things so people can
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: find your channel. Really appreciate your analysis. I follow everything
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: that you post out there really closely, because I think
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: you are such a keen observer on not only this,
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: but also been following your AI posts as well, so
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: we'll have you back some time to talk about that too.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: Thanks for your time, man, Thank you so much. Have
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: a wonderful day.
• 43:02
  Speaker 11: What we're joined now by Anne Colter. I guess who
• 43:05
  Speaker 11: really needs no introduction, but Ann has a sub stack.
• 43:08
  Speaker 11: Now you can go ahead and follow that. She's going
• 43:10
  Speaker 11: to be doing a live rumble on Thursday. So she's,
• 43:13
  Speaker 11: of course the New York Times bestselling author of thirteen
• 43:17
  Speaker 11: books and has been speaking out against the war in Iran.
• 43:22
  Speaker 11: So first, and thank you so much for joining us.
• 43:24
  Speaker 11: We appreciate you being here.
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: Thanks Anne, great to be here, Thanks for having me.
• 43:29
  Speaker 11: Of course, let's start with this post. This was after
• 43:31
  Speaker 11: the White House Correspondent Center attempted assassination, you wrote on
• 43:36
  Speaker 11: X At this point, more California teachers have tried to
• 43:38
  Speaker 11: assassinate Trump than Iranians. Have I really wish he'd get
• 43:42
  Speaker 11: back to domestic concerns and stop cleaning up the rest
• 43:45
  Speaker 11: of the world for you or have you been surprised
• 43:49
  Speaker 11: that Trump went to war in Iran? I mean, you've
• 43:51
  Speaker 11: sort of famously had a break with him over many
• 43:54
  Speaker 11: years now, you wrote, what was the joke? You wrote
• 43:57
  Speaker 11: that he could perform abortions on the resolute desk and
• 43:59
  Speaker 11: you'd still vote for him in twenty sixteen, if I
• 44:02
  Speaker 11: remember incorrectly. So is any of this surprising in Iran?
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: And I wrote that after his immigration policy paper came out,
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: written by the brilliant Stephen Miller. It's still I think
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: it should be the touchstone for any Republican running, or
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: well for anything any Republican in an office. In any event,
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: they're finally getting around to some of that second term.
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: He sort of blew it off first term, thus my
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: break with him. So it isn't The Trump supporters aren't
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: entirely a personality cult. I always found his personality rather repulsive,
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: but loved the stuff he was running on, so I
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: could overcome such superficialities. And yes, I think, like most people,
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: it's unbelievable that he started another pointless war without provocation.
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: Let's just, you know, drop drop bombs on countries all
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: over the world and see if we make friends that way.
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: It really, I mean every president Paul Johnson wrote this
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: in modern times. I think it's in modern times. I'm
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: the great British historian that every US president runs on
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: not taking the country to war, and they almost always
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: get us into war. For some reason, presidents seem to
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: think that's what makes them great. This is turning out
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: to be, as many of us suspected at the time,
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: a much bigger quagmire that is going to turn out
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: much worse than the status quo. Anti then then, certainly
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: than a rock, a rock is at least better off.
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: And I was a big supporter of the Irock war.
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: They did they did hit us first for talking about,
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: you know, the craziness out of the Middle East. I mean,
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: this has just been a disaster from beginning to end.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: And how do you think this keeps happening?
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: Like you said, you you supported that war with the rock,
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: I would say, yeah, I mean al Kaya hit his first.
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: I don't know if Saddam Hussein did, but in the interim, yeah,
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: we can understand I think the fervor of the country,
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: even if we think it was built on lies. But
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: you were a key part, I think with your book
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: Audios America, which I remember having read my first a
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: couple of days over at the Daily Caller, of the
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: Architect really of the move I think for immigration restriction
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: in a reaction to the Romney and the Bush era.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: So you broke with Trump really over that.
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: But one of the parts that we all kind of
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: thought was there was a rejection of neo conservatism, specifically
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: with the selection of the vice president and many of
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: the other national security officials who work in the government,
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: and yet we actually got something much worse this second
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: time than even in the first.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: What's your assessment, How do you think this happened?
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's weird, ow I've I've always liked the neo conservatives.
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: It's weird how that has just come to me nothing
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: but pointless wars of these days. I mean back when
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: I was supporting the Iraq war, and I would again,
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: I always sort of want to go back and argue
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: that when I point out it was very different. Didn't
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: want to stay there for ten years. But I know
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: that's that's kind of off the point. But they kept
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: calling me a neo conservative back during those times. I
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: to point out, no, no, I'm not Jewish. The history
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: of the neo conservatives were Jewish intellectuals who realized the
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: Democratic Party was insane, and you had a lot of
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: really smart, great people like Norman Bought Hortz coming out
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: of that. So it's sort of unfortunate that the word
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: has now come to be so closely associated with pointless
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: wars around the world. And even if even if there
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: were some point to this war, and I really don't
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: think there is. I think there's a lot of fear mongering,
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: as always happens. I'm interviewing on my Live sub Stack,
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: or rather Live Rumble this Thursday. John Tierney was longtime
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: science or for the New York Times and now is
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: at City Journal, and he's written a lot of brilliant books,
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: one of which is The Power of Bad and basically
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: punishment works better than reward, that sort of thing. But
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: one of the things he says about the power of
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: bad is country is always overestimate the threat when they're
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: going into war, and they also overestimate the ease of
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: their victory. And he talks about Germany before World War
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: One and you know how it was so afraid and thought, oh,
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: we'll just brush them aside, talks about the Gulf War,
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: talks about a rock and oh, my gosh, did we
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: see that in like three weeks time? With the Iran War.
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: Way over estimation The only column I wrote about this
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: was using the exact same arguments they use for Iran,
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: with like every other country in the world, Are we
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: going to bomb any country where forty years ago someone
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: held a death to America? Saw and Trump did knock
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: out their nuclear capacity last year? As I said in
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: a recent I usually at the end of the week
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: do a five stories on my sub stack that either
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: people have missed or they're missing some crucial part of it.
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: My take on five stories, and one I did three
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: and a half this week, and one was does anyone
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: really believe that Iran, if it had a nuke? And
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: I don't think it was on the verge of getting
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: a nuke, would bomb Miami, would bomb Israel? I mean,
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: if mutually assured destruction has worked for more than fifty years,
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: A lot of awful countries have nukes, Start with North Korea.
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: It's not like we're constantly living in terrors. North Korea
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: going to nucas well? They could, They could right now,
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: and they're an awful regime. There are more evil regime
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: than Iran. And why aren't we worried about it? Because
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: if they did that, they would, to quote Trump from
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: a few weeks ago, we would watch civilization die, The
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: entire country would be destroyed. And even I think people
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: like you and me would say, you nuked Miami. We
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: were leveling the entire country. It's a horrible thing to say,
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: but it works, this idea that Iran was desperate to
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: get a nuke, So we're hit in New York City?
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: Does anyone seriously believe that?
• 50:22
  Speaker 11: When I wanted to ask about we're now two months
• 50:24
  Speaker 11: in just about to this war in Iran, and you've
• 50:26
  Speaker 11: mentioned a couple of times that the way you see it,
• 50:29
  Speaker 11: this is shaping up to be something worse than Iraq,
• 50:33
  Speaker 11: and Professor Robert Pape is but on our show saying
• 50:35
  Speaker 11: that it looks like it could potentially even be worse
• 50:37
  Speaker 11: than Vietnam in some ways.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: So what are you seeing?
• 50:40
  Speaker 11: I mean, as these peace negotiations go back and forth,
• 50:43
  Speaker 11: Iran right now has reportedly said they would open the
• 50:46
  Speaker 11: Strait of Horrormuz if tabled, if there were negotiations over
• 50:50
  Speaker 11: the nuclear material tabled. Trump has not taken that deal.
• 50:54
  Speaker 11: So what do you make of where we are right now?
• 50:56
  Speaker 11: Why is your sense that this could actually potentially put
• 50:59
  Speaker 11: us in a worse situation than the Iraq War did well.
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: I sort of wish everyone would stop reporting on the
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: Iran war and just say, good job, mister president. Whoa,
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: You've accomplished everything you wanted to, because I mean, we're
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: just waiting for a way out for Trump to be
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: able to save face. Thus far in the war, the
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: claims were we wanted regime change. From what I understand,
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: the new regime is same as the old regime, some
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: say worse. We were going to destroy their capacity to
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: build a nuclear weapon. Oh and we were going to
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: inspire the Iranian people to stand up and overthrow the
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: Mullahs and it would suddenly be a functioning democracy, much
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: like Connecticut. Well, no regime change. They haven't risen up,
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: and in fact the bombing has turned. As I Andrew
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: Jacob Heilburn recently of the National Interest, and he made
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: the point which I've heard before, but he's more intellectual
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: than I am on these issues. He said, in fact,
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: the attempted demoralize civilizations by heavy bombings like the Dresden
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: bombings does exactly the reverse. It gets even even citizens
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: who are opposed to a war with another country, You
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: start bombing the civilians and they get their back to
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: the wall, and suddenly, you know, they unite in patriotism
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: behind whatever the regime is. So that has exactly the
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: opposite effect of what it was supposed to do. And
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: now we're basically down to our sole war objective is
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: to open the straight of horror moves, which was open
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: before the war started.
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: Right, And I want to get your reaction to some
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: rising tides in MAGA world supporting Marco Rubio for twenty
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: twenty eight. Let's go ahead and put f two guys
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: up there on the screen. This is from Politico. They say,
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: White House Insight Steve Rubio on the rise as a
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: potential twenty twenty eight pick. Marco Rubio, of course, famously,
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: you know, failed in his twenty sixteen primary in large part,
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: I think in support of amnesty and some of the
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: work that he did in the Obama years. And yet
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: he's kind of beloved by Trump right now for his
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: work on Iran and the poster boy for the successful
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: Venezuela operation. How do you what do you make of
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: this in context of Trump's you know air in twenty
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: twenty eight.
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: I don't want Marco Rubio within ten miles of the
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: White House. I will never ever relent on that. It
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: is he is, mister amnesty. It was I mean, I've
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: talked to Stephen Miller and a few others about this.
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: When that when Rubio's amnesty bill was going through and
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: he had pushed for it in the Florida legislature, I
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: should say he lied to the voters. It was a
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: big issue. Joyce Kaufman, big talk radio host in Florida,
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: expressly made him promise he was running as the Tea
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: Party candidate for Senate in Florida, made him promise he
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: would never push or vote for amnesty. When he got
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: to the US Senate, he swore on his mother's life,
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: swore up and down. He gets elected as a Tea
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: Party candidate, gets to the United State Senate and first
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: bill amnesty. And what was terrifying about it is, I
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: mean it's hard to sort of switch gears when you're
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: so so in favor of a Republican candidate running against
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: the Rhino. You just haven't set in your head much
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: like you know what's happening with Trump. Bright, Now, this
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: is our savior. This is the guy who's standing up
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: to the establishment and going to defeat the swamp. You
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: couldn't get people to switch off of Rubia. Wait, now
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: he's pushing amnesty. So who supported Rubio's amnesty? Rush Limbaugh,
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: Sean Hannity, Mark Levin. I remember hearing them all say
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: not Mark Levin, the principal of Mark Levin. I distinctly
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: remember and saying, I mean, I almost crashed my car
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: in the radio. What what what Rubio was saying to
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: push it? We have de facto amnesty now, which has
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: been an argument forever. Yeah, okay, let's deport them in
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: any event, Levin saying, oh, I've never heard that argument before.
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: So anyway, they all supported. I didn't even know Stephen Miller.
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: Then we met soon thereafter, and we all thought that's it.
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: And of course Rupert Murdoch was courting Rubio and you know,
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: taking him into lunch, and he used my candidate because
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: it was pushing amnesty. I don't know what it is
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: with Rupert Murdoch and open borders, but he loves them,
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: and uh, you know, we were just thinking, Wow, if
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: this goes through, it's over. It's done. It's It's what
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: what George Bush said about terrorists. We have to win
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: every time. They only have to win once same thing
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: with amnesty. We have to win every time they win.
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: Once the country is so done. It may be done now,
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: but it is so done. So no, I'll never I mean, yeah,
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: he talks a good game. Now, glad to have him aboard,
• 56:11
  Speaker 4: but I will never ever ever trust him Marco Rubio.
• 56:15
  Speaker 11: That is what do you think Republican voters do if
• 56:18
  Speaker 11: they have a choice between Rubio and Vance? They've said
• 56:20
  Speaker 11: that they wouldn't run together. But if that's the direction,
• 56:23
  Speaker 11: where do you think Republican voters go?
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: Well, let's hope there's a debate. You may recall Vance
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: has a very high IQ and is very good in debates.
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: Rubio not so much. Remember his little exchange with Chris Christy.
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: I mean, I will say, I will give him credit
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: for a few things he has come around. He's good
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: on amnesty and deportations. Now great, glad to have a board.
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: He's also very glib, and he's a good talker when
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: he's just giving a straight speech. I noticed this even
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: when I hated him when he was campaigning. When he's
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: standing in front of a town hall, he'll give a
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: good speech. But he is not quick on his feet.
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: So I'd say after a debate or two, Vance will
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: be the clear winner. I also think Vance, I mean,
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: I don't know, he's part of this administration. He is
• 57:13
  Speaker 4: really really in a bind. I feel sorry for him,
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: but everyone knows he was against this war. He's kind
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: of kept his mouth shut. I don't know. I talked
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: to Jacob heilebreannd about this and said, should Vance come
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: out and say he's against this war, to go on
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: some huge podcast and say this is a disaster, Well,
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: it's betraying the president, right, but perhaps saving his political career.
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: And as between the two of them, I think it's
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: pretty clear Rubia was actually a strong supporter of the
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: war and Vance is keeping his mouth shut and just
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: being a loyal vice president.
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: And do you worry that in the way that the
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: Iraq War kind of killed an entire generation of conservatism?
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: Do you think maybe that the Iran war and some
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: of other trumps more brazen stuff corruption. I know you've
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: highlighted that before with Seve Wikoffer Derek Kushner. Do you
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: worry that it'll kill immigration politics forever in terms of
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: immigration restriction or not forever, at least for a generation.
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: I don't think so. I mean, for one, thing. Even now,
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: with Trump's bull numbers just in the toilet on every issue.
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: The one issue he's winning on is immigration. That is
• 58:23
  Speaker 4: always popular. It's like chocolate ice cream, you can never
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: go wrong. It's always a winner. Immigration, And oh my gosh,
• 58:32
  Speaker 4: I wish you'd get back to that, not just because
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: he would become popular again, but because that's what needs
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: to be done. And from what I can tell you,
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: people may be more closer to the ground on these
• 58:44
  Speaker 4: young people in Washington and political types, but I get
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: the sense that, yeah, they're really ticked off at the war,
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: but it seems like and it is an utter aberration.
• 58:56
  Speaker 4: That's why we like drump I mean, he attack to
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: Jim Bush and galled his brother a liar and took
• 59:03
  Speaker 4: us into this dident. He was so aggressive against a
• 59:07
  Speaker 4: more rational war, the war in Rock that who could
• 59:12
  Speaker 4: have possibly seen this coming. I was at a really
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: clear politics salon a week ago and there was a
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: liberal there, you know, saying surprisingly everyone there but one person.
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: I thought it was going to be me against the room.
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: Its like thirty people, both conservative and liberal, and it
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: was all off the record, so I can't mention any
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: of them. I probably shouldn't even be saying what I'm
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: saying now. But shockingly, I was in the majority, so
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: anyway liberally yelled at us all not yellers, but taunted
• 59:43
  Speaker 4: us and said, why didn't you see this coming? Yeah?
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: And because he lied, you possibly see that coming. He
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: could not have been clearer. I mean, it would be
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: like Ronald Reagan getting elected and saying, oh the heck
• 59:59
  Speaker 4: with taxes, I'm hiking them through the roof, right, and
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: it's going to be total capitulation with the Soviet Union.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: All you can do is look at what people say.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: And unlike immigration, where every once in a while there's
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: a little backsliding, with Trump, there was never even any
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: backsliding on the pointless wars. I mean, just before the election,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I'm rambling so much. I no, your viewers
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: probably know this, but just before the war, there were
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: all these tweets from people like Steven Miller and JD.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 4: Vans and you know, being retweeted by Trump Kamala will
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: take you to war if you don't want to go
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 4: to war with Iran, vote Trump. I mean, every possible signal.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: Nobody could have seen this gigantic of a betrayal I mean,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 4: I still think the immigration betrayal is bigger because it's
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 4: more important. This is just, you know, two hundred billion
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 4: dollars being wasted. We could have built seventeen We could
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 4: have built one hundred walls for that, but that's more
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 4: important to saving the contrary the immigration.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 11: And then I wanted to also ask you about the
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 11: DOJ indictment of the Southern Poverty Low Center. Given your
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 11: legal background and also the fact that you have been
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 11: following closely at the SPLC for many years, there are
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 11: competing interpretations of what was in that grand jury indictment
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 11: that was unveiled last week. There are clearly a lot
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 11: of bank records showing what appears to be money from
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 11: the SPLC to confidential informants who may have been then
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 11: getting funneled to the government.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: We don't totally know that yet.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 11: But then into groups like what is it National Alliance,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 11: some clanned groups and the like. What was your takeaway
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 11: from what we saw out of the DOJ last week?
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: Well, a couple of things. The first thing is it's
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 4: absolutely driving me crazy how many alleged conservatives I e.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: On Fox News keep saying, oh, well, the Southern Poverty Lossner.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: They used to do good work. Oh they started as
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 4: a serious sibil. No they didn't. They never did good work.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 4: They're they're getting Southern Poverty Law Center. I assume this
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: is the most generous interpretation confused with those two, the
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: student Nonviolent Organizing commit whatever it was called, and another
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 4: one with very similar initials, Martin Luther King's organization, Southern
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 4: Poverty Law Center. I just did one of my three
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: and a half things free, no ad subset on this.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 4: It started in nineteen seventy one. At that point, well,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 4: Richard Nixon had been in office for three years, and
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 4: despite what liberals might have you believe, there was never
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 4: a greater civil rights champion than Richard Nixon. In fact,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 4: that's why he chose Agnew as his vice president. He
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 4: was just some little known Maryland politician, but Agnew had
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 4: aggressively pushed fair housing laws so that black people couldn't
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: be discriminated against in housing. He gave an inaugural speech.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: I wish I had the precise lines from it, but
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 4: it was it was about how, after all America had
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 4: put black people through, no we owed them a dividend now,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 4: something to that effect. There was more school desegregation under
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 4: President Richard Nixon than before or after. It basically ended segregation.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 4: He ended segregation of the schools, so that had already
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 4: been going on for three years. And then, I mean,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 4: the Klan didn't even exist in nineteen seventy one. And
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 4: Morris D's, the head of Southern Poverty Law Center when
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 4: he first got out of law school, had a client
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: that was funded by the KKK. He defended white supremacists
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 4: he had. Of course, he was famous in his office
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 4: Southern Poverty Law Center for discriminating against black people for
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 4: sexual harassment and eventually got moved out from that. It's
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 4: a money laundering organization to hit up gullible frightened liberals
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 4: in New York City. Clan Clan is rising. I know,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 4: the Southern Poverty Los Anger never did anything good. Even
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 4: even the ones who who defended the liberals who worked
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 4: for it realized it was utterly corrupt and left. They'll say, well,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 4: I did some good things. You know. We fought to
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 4: keep a ten Commandment's monument out of a courthouse, and
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 4: thus was poverty ended.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: My alucation for you, Ann is about It's just about
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: populism in general. So you were early supporter twenty sixteen.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: You recognize those currents. It's worked out a little bit
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: less than I think many of us would have hoped.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: We've seen titanic amounts of corruption with Jared Kushner, with
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: Steve Wikoff.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: I saw you retweet this one.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: Let's put F three up here on the screen, which
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: is just like a perfect example, as some DHS counter
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: terrorism official allegedly was under investigation for a sugar Daddy complaint.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: You've got cash Patel. You know guys like this. Who
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: are you know?
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: Who's a forty one year old man with a you know,
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: with his Nashville girlfriend tweeting about how incredible she is.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: How do you think all this happened?
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: You know this, these types of people who came into
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: power under this administration. You're a competent, You're a very
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: intelligent person. You've observed all this over the years.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: What happened here? Because I'm mystified too.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 4: Some of them I think were very, very poor choices.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 4: And I've made my opinion very clear on that from
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 4: the beginning. Like Christine nom wasn't a huge fan of
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 4: Pam Bondie. I mean, she did well in her hearing.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 4: I will say that, but I didn't really think that
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 4: was Attorney General material. I mean, he definitely wanted to
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 4: choose people he could trust, who would be loyal, who
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 4: were not from the swamp. Some of them I think
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 4: are quite I mean, I like Tulsea Gabbard. I love
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 4: the guy who's head of housing. I forget whose name,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 4: but he's been doing great stuff. Obviously. I love Scott Biscent.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 4: There are others that are just fantastic. Uh. And I
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 4: noticed that two of the worst ones, well, I like,
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 4: I'll say I like Tulsea Gabbard to proceed what I'm
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 4: about to say. Even the most retro get grade right
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: wing Republican they still feel like they need diversity and
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 4: gotta hire the ladies. Got to get the ladies. No,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 4: I promised you, President Trump, we would be so happy
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 4: with the cabinet of nothing but white men mean Republican voters. Yes,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 4: we're the republic We're Republicans. We believe in competent white men.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's fine. I actually like I like Cash.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 12: I will say that, Okay might be a little a
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 12: little young for the job, and he's made a few errors.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 12: I don't believe the drunken stuff. I think they're gunning
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 12: for him. He's done the good work. Let's let's let's
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 12: put a pause and see what else he does.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 4: I mean, he needed to clear out a lot of
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 4: the FBI, and I think he is doing that, and
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 4: I think I think he's a good hater and I
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 4: like that. But Republicans just generally, you got to stop
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 4: feeling like, oh, look, we have a woman, you know.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: To the Sager. One more thing on that.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 11: I see so much of it from my perspective, atleast
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 11: stems from Trump himself, like it emanates from the way
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 11: Trump has done business for so many years, and he
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 11: surrounds himself with sort of the media circus intentionally because
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 11: he can play the media like a fiddle, and that
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 11: attracts people who will try to enrich themselves off government service,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 11: political service. Is that your senys too? I mean, even
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 11: some of these folks like Scott Besstt has done some
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 11: interesting stuff with Beef and his buddies in South America.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 11: I just wonder if some of it is the culture
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 11: of Trump world, and that was always kind of there
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 11: for us to see. It's just that some people had
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 11: different priorities that's interesting.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 4: I mean, you certainly don't get that vibe from JD. Vales.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 4: I feel very confident in his integrity, nor I think
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 4: Tulsi gab the ones I like, I don't think you
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 4: see that. And I don't know anything about what you're
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 4: talking about. With descent, I'd be surprised. He's already a
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 4: very rich man. I mean, I think that the ickiness
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 4: you're describing, my guess is you see a lot more
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 4: of that at marl Lago, the plastic surgery and the
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 4: Real Housewives. Look, it's it's all just so tacky, which
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 4: I would like to make clear I was perfectly open
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 4: about in my book in Trump We Trust there was
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 4: no sugar coating the tackiness.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, Yeah there all right. Uh, we appreciate
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: your time. Thank you guys so much for watching. We
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: appreciate it. We'll see you all later