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Lawrence Xu-Nan: Green Party MP on their proposal to regulate artificial intelligence · Early Edition with Ryan Bridge

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  Speaker 1: So the Greens' newest policy takes on their biggest rival yet,
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  Speaker 1: not the billionaires, AI. If re-elected, they want to bring
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  Speaker 1: in a raft of regulation that protects artists' copyright at-risk
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  Speaker 1: jobs and AI use in decision-making. So Lawrence Junan is
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  Speaker 1: an MP for the Greens and is presenting the policy
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  Speaker 1: and joins me now. Lawrence, good morning to you.
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  Speaker 2: Atamari Andrew, thank you so much for having us.
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  Speaker 1: It's all right. Your policy, your regulation says that AI
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  Speaker 1: will not replace human or democratic decision-making. How are you
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  Speaker 1: going to do that?
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  Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I think you're absolutely right when
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  Speaker 2: it comes to AI. One of the things is that
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  Speaker 2: we do need to sensibly regulate AI, which is what
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  Speaker 2: the Greens are proposing, because AI, what we're seeing, is
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  Speaker 2: a man-made tool. It should enhance and not replace. And
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  Speaker 2: what In terms of what we are proposing here, like
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  Speaker 2: what you're mentioning is around how we can protect those
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  Speaker 2: jobs and how we can protect the creative. So that
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  Speaker 2: could be looking at how we can having a requirement
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  Speaker 2: around labeling of AI-generated content. We're seeing how we can
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  Speaker 2: align with international best practice. We're already seeing overseas jurisdictions
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  Speaker 2: such as the EU AI Act. And we can also
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  Speaker 2: ensure that places like public service, for example, where the
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  Speaker 2: decisions are still being made by a person and ensuring
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  Speaker 2: that there's still a person being accountable to that. And
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  Speaker 2: of course, data sovereignty is also incredibly important and also
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  Speaker 2: how we can ensure we empower privacy commissioner, et cetera,
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  Speaker 2: to ensure our data is protected.
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  Speaker 1: Let's talk about this. You say our data sovereignty and
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  Speaker 1: community consent are protected. Your data sovereignty, but at the
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  Speaker 1: same time, you want to pause data centers. That actually
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  Speaker 1: means that our data is actually held overseas as opposed
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  Speaker 1: to on New Zealand shores.
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  Speaker 2: So it's a very important distinction, and I'm so glad
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  Speaker 2: you raised it, because what we want to see is
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  Speaker 2: a one-year moratorium on the construction of new AI data
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  Speaker 2: centers that are distinct from data centers in general. We
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  Speaker 2: have already seen data centers being built here. And like
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  Speaker 2: you said, having an onshore presence when it comes to
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  Speaker 2: data centers is important. But the question is, do we
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  Speaker 2: need to have AI data centers or new AI data
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  Speaker 2: centers Because what we have seen in the overseas jurisdiction,
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  Speaker 2: Australia being a really clear example when it comes to
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  Speaker 2: AI data centers, is that it needs to operate within
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  Speaker 2: the environmental limits because it needs to be able, we
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  Speaker 2: need to know what kind of energy is used. When
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  Speaker 2: the kind of AI data centers we're seeing being proposed
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  Speaker 2: in the Southland, using the kind of energy that it
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  Speaker 2: will power, essentially they use the same kind of energy
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  Speaker 2: as Hamilton, that is a concern for the people and
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  Speaker 2: for all of us, I believe.
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  Speaker 1: But, of course, the people who make the data centers,
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  Speaker 1: day by day, they get better and better. They become
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  Speaker 1: more sustainable. And do you worry that by putting a
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  Speaker 1: one-year moratorium, a complete pause on it, we're not embracing
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  Speaker 1: the technology, and all you do after that is just
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  Speaker 1: get left behind by it?
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  Speaker 2: But, I mean, that's the thing, right? Because what we're
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  Speaker 2: seeing with overseas, and what we're seeing in Australia, what
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  Speaker 2: we're seeing in other jurisdictions, the EU, UK, et cetera,
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  Speaker 2: is that they know the need to regulate AI technology.
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  Speaker 2: What we don't want to see is, for example, us
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  Speaker 2: being sold a fantasy of what AI could achieve, but
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  Speaker 2: not what AI is to us right now. And I
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  Speaker 2: think the moratorium on AI data centers and what the
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  Speaker 2: Greens is proposing in terms of sensibly regulating AI will
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  Speaker 2: be something that will benefit all of us and benefit
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  Speaker 2: the people and the planet and allow us to be able,
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  Speaker 2: the benefits of AI to be shared by all of us,
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  Speaker 2: but not concentrated by the few and particularly not concentrated
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  Speaker 2: but a billion years and trillion years potentially who are
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  Speaker 2: proposing it.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Laurence Shunan, I thank you so much for
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  Speaker 1: your time. He is a Green MP.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much.