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The Late Debate | 14 January · The Late Debate

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Speaker 1: When's that, gentleman. Welcome to the Lake Debate.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, I'm Kel Richards with me. Tonight we have
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Speaker 2: Holly Hughes. Good evening, Holly and Joe Hildebrand.
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Speaker 3: What onlineup?
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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Late Debate. Now tonight on the program,
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Speaker 2: we're going to be looking at such things as the
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Speaker 2: outrage expressed by people who are victims of the bushfire
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Speaker 2: to the center Allen the Victorian Premier. Then the name
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Speaker 2: of Peter Dutton raised as a very surprising possible replacement
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Speaker 2: for Kevin Rudd as Australia's ambassador to the US. And
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Speaker 2: also tonight, Virgin Airline says it will be extending its
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Speaker 2: controversial pets in Cabin's trial on flights. But first, is
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Speaker 2: it a sign of Prime Minister Albanese's uncertain and unsteady
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Speaker 2: leadership that Australia still seems muddled about the way to
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Speaker 2: deal with anti Semitism and prevent another Bondaie terrorism massacre.
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Speaker 2: There are voices being raised against Albanese's new hate speech laws.
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Speaker 2: Now this is his second attempt at making hate speech
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Speaker 2: laws stronger in this country. I suppose if you fail once,
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Speaker 2: you try again. On the one hand, you have the
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Speaker 2: US Under Secretary of State for Public Diplomacy, Sarah Rodgers,
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Speaker 2: worrying aloud that the new laws will be defined in
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Speaker 2: such broad terms that there might be prison sentences for
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Speaker 2: what she calls amorphous acts of hate speech. That's from
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Speaker 2: the US Department of State. At the same time, the
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Speaker 2: coalition is splitting over the draft legislation, or what we
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Speaker 2: know about it so far, with numerous nationals worried it
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Speaker 2: will infringe on religious liberties, and Matt Canavan coming straight
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Speaker 2: out and saying flat out he will vote against it
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Speaker 2: as an attack on free speech. Now, I haven't seen
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Speaker 2: the draft legislation, and can I tell you I suspect
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Speaker 2: that not all the people commenting on it have actually
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Speaker 2: seen the draft legislation. So perhaps we shoul see. We
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Speaker 2: wait and see if it's been well drafted or is
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Speaker 2: as vague and risky as the critics say it is,
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Speaker 2: and we will know next Monday, the nineteenth, when Parliament
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Speaker 2: sits and the legislation is presented. But it is still
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Speaker 2: right to express concerns that free speech is under attack
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Speaker 2: here as in other nations, and if that becomes clear
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Speaker 2: and obvious, then one friend, we will lose over this
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Speaker 2: is Donald Trump. He has made it quite clear he
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Speaker 2: is fierce about the loss of freedom of speech among
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Speaker 2: Allied nations. He's criticized things Britain has done on those grounds,
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Speaker 2: and the very wise Chris Merrick, the lawyer, has said
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Speaker 2: that some of the proposed provisions may allow hate preachers
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Speaker 2: to simply quote the Quran and because they're quoting the Quran,
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Speaker 2: avoid prosecution. Holly, this looks like a terrible idea from
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Speaker 2: beginning to end, doesn't it look?
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Speaker 4: Absolutely?
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Speaker 5: And I really hope that the Coalition comes out soon
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Speaker 5: and comes out clearly saying that they're going to oppose this.
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Speaker 5: I assume they're going to have a party room meeting
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Speaker 5: towards the end of this week, because they will need
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Speaker 5: to convene a party room before the legislation hits both
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Speaker 5: the Lower and the Lation.
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Speaker 4: I'm sure they would have seen it by now.
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Speaker 5: Certainly the shadow ministers involved in it would have copies
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Speaker 5: of it.
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Speaker 4: The leader's office would have copies of it.
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Speaker 5: If it's going as things would normally move, so they
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Speaker 5: would have the explanatory memorandum, they would have the actual legislation.
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Speaker 5: And I think that's why you're starting to see the
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Speaker 5: commentary coming out about how this legislation is just a
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Speaker 5: dog's breakfast and it is nothing but political in the
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Speaker 5: way that Albanesi has put it together with the gun reforms.
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Speaker 5: I mean, at the end of the day, this is
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Speaker 5: a cynical attempt by a cynical prime minister to divide
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Speaker 5: the coalition Liberals and Nats because he knows that the
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Speaker 5: NATS will absolutely not support the gun law reform that
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Speaker 5: he's suggesting. But this hate speech and the fact that
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Speaker 5: he's even talking about remote giving religious exemptions religious text,
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Speaker 5: I mean, Peter Wortham's come out today clearly alban Ezi
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Speaker 5: has never read the Old Testament or have an understanding
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Speaker 5: of it. We know that any radicalization from really just
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Speaker 5: text is fundamentally a misreading of those texts. And so
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Speaker 5: the fact that we have these hate preachers in southwestern
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Speaker 5: Sydney could quote the Quran and somehow be exempt, but
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Speaker 5: anyone expressing a personally held belief could find themselves being
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Speaker 5: subjected to these laws. But the reality is we've already
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Speaker 5: got hate laws on the books, We've got enough legislation,
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Speaker 5: yet they haven't been tested.
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Speaker 3: New hate laws.
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Speaker 4: It hasn't.
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Speaker 3: It was zero prosecution, So.
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Speaker 5: They haven't been tested, So why do they need new
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Speaker 5: ones until they test the old ones? And if the
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Speaker 5: old ones aren't strong enough to get rid of those
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Speaker 5: Southwest Sydney preachers who celebrated October seventh, well then that's
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Speaker 5: the starting point. We're trying to stop radical Islam, and that's,
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Speaker 5: let's be honest, is where it's at.
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Speaker 4: And these hate laws just are an absolute nothing.
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Speaker 6: I think this is the problem, isn't it. This is
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Speaker 6: the great catch twenty two that has been at the
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Speaker 6: bottom of all of this, and I think this is
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Speaker 6: what the PM is trying very deliberately to expose. It says, well,
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Speaker 6: you said, what didn't do enough to stop you know,
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Speaker 6: chance of hate gas the Jews or where's the Jews
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Speaker 6: or whatever it was, that I wasn't doing enough to
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Speaker 6: crack down on hate preachers and hate speech because no
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Speaker 6: one had been prosecuted. All right, Well here's the legislation.
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Speaker 6: And suddenly I've got some people saying it doesn't go
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Speaker 6: far enough, some people saying it goes far too far
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Speaker 6: in fringes freedom of speech. Is it is a mess
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Speaker 6: because this is a messy issue, like how do you
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Speaker 6: how do you craft a form of legislation that bans
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Speaker 6: hate preachers in southwestern Sydney from using the Qur'an to
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Speaker 6: justify you hatred, while at the same time protect the
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Speaker 6: religious freedoms of Catholics on other issues or of you know,
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Speaker 6: let me.
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Speaker 2: Suggest a line. Let me show that where the line
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Speaker 2: has to be drawn is at incitement of violence. George
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Speaker 2: Brenders years ago in the Senate when he was the
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Speaker 2: Attorney General said free speech means allowing bigots to speak. Now,
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Speaker 2: if he's right, then then we allow free speech or
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Speaker 2: even free speech we dislike, and we draw the line
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Speaker 2: at incitement ofole.
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Speaker 6: And you have, But then you have to define incitement
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Speaker 6: to violence. So is it that an act of violence
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Speaker 6: has to be committed or planned or intended and you
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Speaker 6: can then trace that back to what the person says?
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Speaker 6: Or is it just enough that they said something that
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Speaker 6: could be interpreted as an incitement to violence by someone
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Speaker 6: who took it upon themselves, you know, So then do
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Speaker 6: you have to say to the person who's saying it
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Speaker 6: you have to actively be intending to incite violence.
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Speaker 1: Because of course then you just get all these people who.
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Speaker 6: Come out and say, oh no, I never meant to
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Speaker 6: incite violence and suddenly they're off. And then you get
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Speaker 6: people are saying, oh, well, you know I committed the
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Speaker 6: Bond Eye terror attack because of all these people on
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Speaker 6: the bridge marching about genocide.
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Speaker 1: And they say, well, hang on.
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Speaker 6: All I did was go to a protest with a placard.
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Speaker 6: I never meant for that terror attack to happen. Then
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Speaker 6: I can't see a way out of all these.
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Speaker 5: So Joe, you're actually making the argument that all Albanezy
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Speaker 5: is doing is making it look like he's doing something,
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Speaker 5: when in effect.
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Speaker 4: These are pointless. They are a waste of time.
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Speaker 5: They will at worst cause unintended consequences and infringe upon
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Speaker 5: the free speech as well as upset our relationship with
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Speaker 5: some of our very close allies who freedom of speech
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Speaker 5: is a fundamental right and an important one. And you know,
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Speaker 5: but you will talk about what can you do, How
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Speaker 5: about not mentioning Islamophobia in the same sentence of antisemitism
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Speaker 5: every time there's been an anti Semitic attack in this.
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Speaker 2: Country, talking about the Old Testament, mention the Quran out loud.
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Speaker 5: Well, we can't do that because we can't upset the
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Speaker 5: voters of Southwest Sydney, and we know. That's why this
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Speaker 5: government has absolutely sat on its hands. Whether it's Prime
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Speaker 5: Minister Albneasy, whether it's Tony Burke, whether it's Penny Wong,
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Speaker 5: they have all sat on their hands and done nothing.
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Speaker 5: They have done nothing to take the temperature down, and
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Speaker 5: in fact, all they have done is continue to feed
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Speaker 5: into this argument that somehow the anti Semitism that we
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Speaker 5: have seen exploit across this nation is on par with
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Speaker 5: Islamophobia and cannot say the words radically. Is no one's
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Speaker 5: talking about Muslims, no one's talking about Islam, talking about
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Speaker 5: radical Islamophobia. That is at the root of these and
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Speaker 5: so stop pretending otherwise.
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Speaker 2: Let's just face the fact that there are people on
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Speaker 2: the left of politics in want to say that anti
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Speaker 2: Semitism is not a serious problem. There was an example
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Speaker 2: of this in the case of Louise Adler. Now, Louise
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Speaker 2: Adler is a very distinguished person, been a distinguished publisher
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Speaker 2: and has a very high standing in the arts community.
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Speaker 2: But she before but she has some good points as well.
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Speaker 2: We are not putting down the entire arts community in
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Speaker 2: one day, Joe, I know, I.
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Speaker 6: Think they put themselves down in recent weeks. I think
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Speaker 6: it's been disgraceful.
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Speaker 2: Mister Hillebrat's views are his own and do not necessarily
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Speaker 2: represent the entire panel. Louise Adler made a comment, and
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Speaker 2: this is before Bondy, but this is what she had
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Speaker 2: to say. She said, quote, if you read the News
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Speaker 2: Corp papers or indeed tune into the National broadcaster, she said,
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Speaker 2: you might actually believe we are three minutes away from
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Speaker 2: a new Crystal Nacht, referring to the Nazi attackle the
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Speaker 2: Jewish community in Germany. And she she talked about anti
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Speaker 2: Semitism being wildly exaggerated and whipped up by the Zionist lobby.
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Speaker 2: Now this is someone who has been Now she's taken
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Speaker 2: herself out of the Adelaide Writer's Festival because she was
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Speaker 2: involved in it.
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Speaker 3: After everyone there was no no, it's gone. She had gone.
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Speaker 1: But this is no choice. She was going to resign
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Speaker 1: on a matter of principle.
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Speaker 2: But this is belittally, this is belittle anti Semitism. For
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Speaker 2: two years the Jewish community, even before Bondi. She didn't
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Speaker 2: need to see Bonde. She saw a fire bomb attack
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Speaker 2: on a Melbourne synagogue. She has seen the terrible attacks
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Speaker 2: and pressure on the Jewish community, and yet she wants
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Speaker 2: to deny it because presumably her leftist ideology overcomes the
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Speaker 2: fact that she was born Jewish. I don't understand people
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Speaker 2: who cannot see the anti Semitism that's.
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Speaker 6: There, oh, because there are people who just see all
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Speaker 6: of history and all of the present through a purely
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Speaker 6: ideological lens. And that is the problem here. It It's
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Speaker 6: happened all the time. It's what led to know, these horrendous,
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Speaker 6: bloody revolutions of both the left and the right. It's
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Speaker 6: what basically gave us the twentieth century, and you know,
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Speaker 6: eighteen forty eight. But the problem is, of course, that
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Speaker 6: it is this massive blind spot, this massive ideological blind spot,
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Speaker 6: that got Luise into the exact position that got her
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Speaker 6: as an Adelaide festival director without a festival. So she
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Speaker 6: clearly didn't think that, you know, that the anti semitism
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Speaker 6: concerns were justified. She's so off the reservation that she
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Speaker 6: thinks both news Corps.
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Speaker 1: And the A b C.
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Speaker 6: There's a whole bunch of le there, a whole bunch
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Speaker 6: I keep trying to tell people this, There are a
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Speaker 6: whole bunch of lefties out there, fully card carrying comedies
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Speaker 6: who think that the ABC has lurched to the right
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Speaker 6: and is no longer Yeah, it's everywhere. This is why
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Speaker 6: they shut down the drum, This is why they shut
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Speaker 6: down Q and A. This is why they shut down
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Speaker 6: the social media feeds on insiders. I think they have
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Speaker 6: That's why they It's why every time Laura Tingle gets
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Speaker 6: on ABC seven thirty, all of Twitter comes alive and
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Speaker 6: sings their praises. And anytime it is anyone else or
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Speaker 6: anytime they even let a liberal politician talk, they say,
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Speaker 6: this is just more example of ABC writing bikes.
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Speaker 1: That's how cooked can.
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Speaker 2: I just I had to get off every time I
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Speaker 2: need to make the point that we don't need to
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Speaker 2: provide any more video clips for Media Week.
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Speaker 3: No, that's I said.
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Speaker 2: It come back to Luise Adler because you you read
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Speaker 2: a comment by about it by Michael Gwenda, himself Jewish,
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Speaker 2: former editor of The Age and a very distinguished man.
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Speaker 5: He is a very distinguished man, and he's had some
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Speaker 5: interesting and very insightful commentary to make over the last
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Speaker 5: couple of weeks. But he had a book come out,
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Speaker 5: I think it was a year or two ago, called
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Speaker 5: My Life as a Jew, and Michael Gwenda has has
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Speaker 5: had previously about a thirty year friendship with Louise Adler
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Speaker 5: and that has come to a screaming halt. And it
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Speaker 5: basically he talks about in it the ideological prism that
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Speaker 5: Louise was consistently coming from when she was calling out
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Speaker 5: for journalists to do better on Palestine.
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Speaker 4: And he makes some other commentary with regards.
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Speaker 1: To do better at writers' festivals.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, well that's a big start. But he refers to
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Speaker 5: it sort of being an ideological anxiety about Jewish identity
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Speaker 5: and Zionism and where both of them sit on that spectrum,
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Speaker 5: and that she is obviously caught up on such sort
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Speaker 5: of cannot accept her Jewishness almost or cannot fully please.
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Speaker 6: You remember that Simpsons episode where Krusty the Clown finds
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Speaker 6: out that he never had his barbit's. I thought I
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Speaker 6: was a self hated Jew and it turns out I'm
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Speaker 6: just a plain all seven.
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Speaker 2: Probably the point that you made on the program once
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Speaker 2: you said anti Semitism comes from both radical Islamism and
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Speaker 2: for the Hard Lift. Yes, and it does come from
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Speaker 2: both sources.
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Speaker 6: This is why they're meeting up, and this is why
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Speaker 6: you have queers for Palestine and all this. Even though
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Speaker 6: you have all these hardline it's as telling them to
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Speaker 6: get the hell out because they're dirty sinners.
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Speaker 5: When do we get the queers for the iotoler since
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Speaker 5: we're saying it, boy, but that's out there.
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Speaker 7: There are people, there's there's footage of American left wingers,
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Speaker 7: white American left wingers approaching people at an anti Iotola protest,
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Speaker 7: actual Iranians saying, don't you know you're being islamophobic?
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Speaker 1: Kid? You're not anyway.
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Speaker 6: But the point is that it's this massive blind spot
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Speaker 6: that Louise Adler has because she no doubt goes to
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Speaker 6: all the right dinner parties and hangs out in all
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Speaker 6: the right circles. They think, you know who I'm going
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Speaker 6: to get because you know, they've been calling out this
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Speaker 6: whole myth of you know out in Australia. We'll get,
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Speaker 6: you know, Randa abdul Fatar, the you know, shameless, you know,
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Speaker 6: freedom fighter who will not be silenced and will have
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Speaker 6: her to speak at the festival.
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Speaker 1: Won't that be a good idea?
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Speaker 6: And then Bondi happens and suddenly the board above her
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Speaker 6: shits it stacks and says, oh my god, we can't
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Speaker 6: have her here. Then they've got to get rid of
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Speaker 6: someone who frankly they shouldn't have invited place again. But
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Speaker 6: then they have to basically cancel her, and then of
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Speaker 6: course everyone else in the left suddenly decides they're all
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Speaker 6: about free speech.
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Speaker 4: Yes, business a woman.
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Speaker 5: They're complaining about a woman being removed from a program
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Speaker 5: who herself has called for the deplatforming of Zionists and
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Speaker 5: said that they should have no view or no voice.
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Speaker 3: And she caught for Jewish writer to be removed for she.
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Speaker 5: Wrote for a Jewish writer to be removed from the
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Speaker 5: same festival.
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Speaker 4: The year was, the year before, a couple of years. Yeah, Thomas,
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Speaker 4: she's done it herself. So they dogged it last.
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Speaker 5: But I mean I would actually ask, and I've said this,
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Speaker 5: I think last night all of those one hundred and
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Speaker 5: eighty writers, Australian writers who pulled themselves out of the
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Speaker 5: Adelaide Festival in some sort of protest about this woman
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Speaker 5: being removed from the program. This is a woman who
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Speaker 5: claimed that the rapes are not Tobers, nearly happened, that
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Speaker 5: Zionis wish the rapes happened so that they could use
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Speaker 5: them for their own ideological push and publicity based. I mean,
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Speaker 5: this is a disgraced woman, but it's women like Joan
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Speaker 5: Carrow and meanse other women who pretend that they're all
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Speaker 5: about women and women's rights and the Me Too movement.
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Speaker 5: But except if you're a Jewish woman who's raped at
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Speaker 5: a music festival, you don't count.
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Speaker 4: That's a lie.
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Speaker 2: Randa Addolfatan, Now you've said all that about her, right
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Speaker 2: and the premiere of Seth Australia, Malanaskus, has come out
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Speaker 2: and said something reasonably along those lines, but he said
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Speaker 2: it carefully. He's a very canny man. He wouldn't say
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Speaker 2: anything tofamatory. He was talking on commercial radio and he
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Speaker 2: made some remarks about it. She is now going to
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Speaker 2: sue him for defamation because he, apparently simply by criticizing
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Speaker 2: her as being some sort of sort of extremist, has
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Speaker 2: now said defamatory things about it. I can't believe that
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Speaker 2: she's actually going to bring this action on or might
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Speaker 2: even win it.
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Speaker 6: I'm not so sure that she will bring it on
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Speaker 6: let alone, when not what she wrote in this concerns letter,
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Speaker 6: which is what you have to do before you actually
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Speaker 6: take action against someone for defamation.
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Speaker 1: She said quote.
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Speaker 6: He made a public statement that suggested I am an
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Speaker 6: extremist terrorist sympathizer and directly linked me to the Bondi atrocity.
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Speaker 6: This was a vicious personal assault on me, a private citizen,
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Speaker 6: by the highest public official in South Australia. It was
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Speaker 6: defametry and it terrified me. Now, I think Mali, I'm
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Speaker 6: not a lawyer, but I think Peter Malnauskus could probably
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Speaker 6: reasonably say that is his honest opinion based on the
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Speaker 6: facts available to him.
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Speaker 3: Pinion defermation, that's right, I believe.
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Speaker 6: I think Rudna Abdelfatar had as her social media profile
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Speaker 6: pick a pick of the one of the Hamas fighters.
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Speaker 3: No.
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Speaker 5: She had which I found incredibly offensive was a skydiver
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Speaker 5: with a Palestinian flag, which was a regret in relation
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Speaker 5: to the paragliders who became in music festival.
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Speaker 4: And I found it incredibly offensive.
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Speaker 5: And so under these new hate speech laws, can I
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Speaker 5: put in a complaint about her putting that picture up?
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Speaker 5: As you know, I mean, this is where do they end?
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Speaker 5: Where do they start? I think, you know, I have
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Speaker 5: my views about her. I'm sure she'd have views about
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Speaker 5: some of the things we say. But you know, this
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Speaker 5: is the joy of free speech. But then you can
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Speaker 5: actually say she's wrong.
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Speaker 6: That's right, and again and then again, these are the
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Speaker 6: hypocrisy of it is sickening. But I think just because
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Speaker 6: it's hypocritical doesn't mean we should fall for that. And
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Speaker 6: again we've seen the ratifications that have come out from
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Speaker 6: her cancelation and the rest of these people, you know,
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Speaker 6: deciding to boycott it so that they can.
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Speaker 4: Look at someone canceled me.
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Speaker 5: So why do you get another big government grant's filling
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Speaker 5: my wife?
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Speaker 1: All these lefties, you know, friends of the workers.
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Speaker 6: What about all the lighting guys, the caterers, the hospitality
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Speaker 6: worker to be, the taste and PI sound people, the
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Speaker 6: hotel chamber mays. All going to lose work, all going
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Speaker 6: to lose money, all losing their page.
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Speaker 1: But it's so these guys are.
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Speaker 2: About the stand you take, and it's about appearing virtuous.
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Speaker 2: It's a performance of virtue. So if you're on the left,
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Speaker 2: you think it's virtuous to defend what you claim is
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Speaker 2: free speech. Let's move on to or back to the
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Speaker 2: horror of bon Dye and the terrorist attack that happened
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Speaker 2: at Bondye. It happened from that bridge that small footbridge
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Speaker 2: over Anderson Park. Now, what should happen to that bridge?
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Speaker 2: I mean, should it be retained, should it become a
18:22
Speaker 2: memorial to the victims? Is there a risk that if
18:25
Speaker 2: it's retained, it will be something which will be a
18:27
Speaker 2: constant reminder of the terrorist attack and the awful things
18:30
Speaker 2: that happened. Chrismns thinks it should go. That local council
18:35
Speaker 2: is going to debate it. Do we keep the bridge
18:37
Speaker 2: or get rid of it.
18:39
Speaker 6: I don't think there's any real reason to hold on
18:42
Speaker 6: to something that is obviously going to cause so much
18:47
Speaker 6: trauma to people who will forever associate it with what
18:50
Speaker 6: happened that day. Imagine having being a Jewish Bondye resident
18:55
Speaker 6: having to walk over it, you know, just to go
18:57
Speaker 6: get to the beach every time you want to. I'm
19:01
Speaker 6: not aware of it having any particular kind of heritage value.
19:05
Speaker 5: Apparently the two bridges, there's two that go over for
19:08
Speaker 5: the car parks, are both apparently coming to the end
19:12
Speaker 5: of their life anyway. But I do think it's important
19:15
Speaker 5: whatever is there is there is some sort of memorial.
19:18
Speaker 5: I think, you know, you can never forget what happened,
19:21
Speaker 5: and I think having something that is a visual something
19:25
Speaker 5: to remember those that lost their lives or were injured
19:28
Speaker 5: during that per grom.
19:29
Speaker 4: I think is important, but.
19:31
Speaker 5: You know whether it's structurally sound to stay it is,
19:33
Speaker 5: It is just a concrete breed.
19:35
Speaker 2: The important thing is the local council is going to
19:37
Speaker 2: be talked to the Jewish community because it's there important.
19:40
Speaker 3: They their opinion.
19:41
Speaker 5: I think they'll be a very good representation there. I'm
19:45
Speaker 5: sure Will will do an excellent job.
19:46
Speaker 6: Yes, very will. Someone else is doing excellent job. I'm
19:49
Speaker 6: sure you'll agree. Is the Victorian Premier, just Into Alan,
19:52
Speaker 6: although apparently not all her constituents think so. We all know,
19:57
Speaker 6: of course that Victoria, my old home state, was rava
20:00
Speaker 6: by bushfires in recent days, and there have been questions
20:04
Speaker 6: raised about whether the CFA was which is their.
20:09
Speaker 3: Local voluntary country voluntary country.
20:11
Speaker 6: Fire authority like the rfs we have here, whether it
20:14
Speaker 6: has been adequately supplied, and there have been people in
20:17
Speaker 6: the volunteer service plus the opposition have been pouring over
20:20
Speaker 6: the budget and saying, look, you've actually cut our budget
20:24
Speaker 6: to cut our resources in real terms. Now just In
20:26
Speaker 6: Allen has of course denied that, but that has not
20:30
Speaker 6: stopped her from being met with a very fierce reception
20:35
Speaker 6: when she went to.
20:36
Speaker 3: Tour the bushfire affected areas recently. Have a look.
20:40
Speaker 5: Shame on you, clearer. I believe that there everybody else
20:45
Speaker 5: has shame with your shame when you were done and
20:47
Speaker 5: taking for what you've done caused the situation.
20:49
Speaker 8: And what you're doing to let help it out, shame
20:54
Speaker 8: on you.
20:57
Speaker 1: So there you go.
20:58
Speaker 6: Obviously there she's heading for the ministerial car. I've got
21:01
Speaker 6: to say, as with Scott Morrison in twenty nineteen, I
21:06
Speaker 6: do not like even from people, and even as we
21:09
Speaker 6: saw the Anthony Alberanzi at the memorial service, even with
21:13
Speaker 6: people who I know have suffered a huge amount of
21:15
Speaker 6: trauma and who are extremely angry, I don't like the
21:20
Speaker 6: idea of booing or screaming at our political leaders in
21:24
Speaker 6: times of crisis. I think it is time that we
21:26
Speaker 6: have to pull together as an agent. I didn't like
21:28
Speaker 6: it when it happened at Scott Morrison. I don't like
21:31
Speaker 6: having it now. And I've got no particular love for
21:32
Speaker 6: Justina Alan. I've been incredibly critical of her. Got no
21:36
Speaker 6: love for her predecessor either, But this is.
21:39
Speaker 2: Where we disagree. You're on the anti booing crowd. I'm
21:42
Speaker 2: on the booing crowd. I'm really happy to boot politicians
21:46
Speaker 2: who are doing the wrong thing.
21:47
Speaker 3: By us and who are letting us down.
21:48
Speaker 2: Now, as I read the story, there are fire trucks
21:51
Speaker 2: in Victoria that have actually burst into flames. They have
21:54
Speaker 2: actually burnt the equipment. The tracks are too old and
21:58
Speaker 2: are not safe. And according to one new paper report,
22:00
Speaker 2: there was actually a directive that came out from the
22:02
Speaker 2: head of the CFA fairly early in this this current
22:06
Speaker 2: bushfire season in December, saying do not take the trucks
22:10
Speaker 2: into grass fires because it's just too dangerous. Our trucks
22:14
Speaker 2: are not going to stand up to it well good
22:16
Speaker 2: modern fire trucks do. They don't have good modern fire trucks.
22:19
Speaker 2: They are not well equipped. And why because the Victorian
22:22
Speaker 2: government's got no money. Therefore it cannot properly equipment equip them.
22:25
Speaker 2: It cannot do what it should do to keep the
22:27
Speaker 2: people of Victoria safe. This is the long term pain
22:32
Speaker 2: that's been caused by Victorian labor governments running the place
22:35
Speaker 2: down economically and not having the money to spend to
22:38
Speaker 2: look after their.
22:38
Speaker 5: People look and I think this is where the frustration
22:41
Speaker 5: is boiled over and in Victoria, I can't believe they're
22:43
Speaker 5: just booing. I mean, the way that that state's been
22:45
Speaker 5: run and the way that it's been running to the
22:47
Speaker 5: ground across the board, I can't believe it's just the
22:51
Speaker 5: booing that's going on and that people aren't marching in
22:53
Speaker 5: the street. But we know that there is basically no
22:56
Speaker 5: effective opposition in Victoria that you know, just CenTra all
23:00
Speaker 5: looks like she could possibly win.
23:02
Speaker 4: An election this year.
23:03
Speaker 5: I mean, is it is breathtaking what's happening in Victoria.
23:06
Speaker 5: And at the end of the day, the Victorian population
23:08
Speaker 5: needs to say, well, we keep voting for these mugs
23:10
Speaker 5: and if they won't replace how fire trucks and they
23:12
Speaker 5: won't replace anything else, and they're wasting all this money
23:15
Speaker 5: on these other projects that are never going to go anywhere,
23:17
Speaker 5: or paying a billion dollars to not build road, But
23:20
Speaker 5: we keep voting for them. Perhaps we deserve what we
23:23
Speaker 5: get because this is just getting beyond a jay and.
23:25
Speaker 2: It's one thing after another. It's also their education stip.
23:28
Speaker 5: The Victorian public education system has now become one of
23:32
Speaker 5: the most expensive in the country, the most expensive in
23:34
Speaker 5: the country. So we're talking about sending your kids to
23:37
Speaker 5: public school. We're not talking about sending them to the
23:39
Speaker 5: independent school or the Catholic school. This is what should
23:43
Speaker 5: be part of every child's right to go to school
23:45
Speaker 5: and get an education. Yet, if you're in Melbourne, the
23:48
Speaker 5: public school system, but it will now cost families over
23:52
Speaker 5: one hundred and twenty thousand dollars to send their children
23:55
Speaker 5: through KINDOD the year twelve. In Victoria, I mean that
23:58
Speaker 5: is just an astronimal amount of money for what should
24:01
Speaker 5: be public education. But again, when you look at Victoria,
24:05
Speaker 5: there's no money for anything, so you can imagine that
24:08
Speaker 5: parents are having to send and contribute absolutely every single
24:12
Speaker 5: thing that's being used in the classroom for teachers to be.
24:15
Speaker 4: Able to teach.
24:15
Speaker 5: And I mean no wonder we've got results going backwards
24:18
Speaker 5: and a decline in standards and problems with discipline in
24:21
Speaker 5: the classroom. And when there's no money, there's not enough teachers,
24:25
Speaker 5: there's not enough resources being put in for these kids
24:27
Speaker 5: to receive any sort of decent education, and parents are
24:30
Speaker 5: doing it tough cost of living crisis. They can't afford
24:33
Speaker 5: the energy bills, that can't afford the groceries on the table,
24:36
Speaker 5: and now they're being whacked with an increase in education.
24:38
Speaker 2: Youarents have to play for every exercise book and every
24:41
Speaker 2: cential everything.
24:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.
24:43
Speaker 6: Yeah, we've got our oldest is to starting high school
24:46
Speaker 6: this year and he's at a great state school. I'm
24:48
Speaker 6: really really glad that he's there, and fantastic principle, fantastic teachers,
24:53
Speaker 6: and we're just wrapped that he's there.
24:55
Speaker 1: But it is not you know, free education isn't free.
24:59
Speaker 1: You do have to put the things up.
25:00
Speaker 6: And we went and got There was a big rush
25:03
Speaker 6: on for the secondhand uniforms and we blinked and missed it,
25:07
Speaker 6: but we went to get So the arrangement they have
25:10
Speaker 6: is that you go to Low's and they've got all
25:12
Speaker 6: the different uniforms through all the local high schools. And
25:15
Speaker 6: we went in there and we got everything he needed,
25:19
Speaker 6: not much.
25:20
Speaker 1: Like three pairs of.
25:23
Speaker 6: Two or two or three pairs of shorts, three shirts
25:26
Speaker 6: I think, you know, a sports jacket. Didn't then get
25:28
Speaker 6: the blazer because you know, I need to do it.
25:31
Speaker 6: And and the guy was who'd helped us said he
25:34
Speaker 6: was really good and who'd helped us pick everything and
25:36
Speaker 6: sort of out and get our head around it. Because
25:37
Speaker 6: of course I'm having a nervous breakdown.
25:39
Speaker 1: My son's going to high school.
25:45
Speaker 6: I kin'd have I kind of read that the blow
25:48
Speaker 6: he goes this has got to cost you a bomb.
25:51
Speaker 1: Well, you're not meant to say that.
25:53
Speaker 3: It's the guy.
25:55
Speaker 5: So I've got kids two Catholic schools still and in
25:59
Speaker 5: high school. But do you know what drives me mental?
26:01
Speaker 5: We can't even just have normal socks. The schools have
26:05
Speaker 5: to have their logo on the socks or the particular
26:08
Speaker 5: stripes or whatever, and particular when parents are doing it
26:11
Speaker 5: tough and you think, you know, rather than them just
26:13
Speaker 5: being able to wear white sports socks, they've got to
26:15
Speaker 5: have the schools you know, socks that cost twenty five
26:19
Speaker 5: dollars a pair.
26:20
Speaker 1: Of don't think there are state school socks?
26:22
Speaker 5: Well, white kids went to state school at primary school
26:25
Speaker 5: and they have particular socks.
26:26
Speaker 2: Okay, yep, yep, yep with the school colors on school colors.
26:29
Speaker 4: They had to have great, right I plugged.
26:33
Speaker 2: To There are charities because those parents who are on
26:35
Speaker 2: the poverty line, are close to the poverty line end
26:37
Speaker 2: up sending their little kids to school not dressed like
26:40
Speaker 2: everyone else, not having what everyone else has. And for
26:43
Speaker 2: those kids, little children. That is destructive and really painful.
26:47
Speaker 2: And there are some great charities, including the Smiths family,
26:50
Speaker 2: including the Salvation Army, who actually provide money and goods
26:53
Speaker 2: for those families, and I think they deserve a pat
26:56
Speaker 2: on the back, don't they.
26:57
Speaker 5: I've always supported the smith family through a kid and
27:01
Speaker 5: always have done so because I remember when I was
27:03
Speaker 5: young and see those you know, sponsor King in Africa
27:06
Speaker 5: World Vision, and I thought it should be kids at home.
27:08
Speaker 5: But also we've got Nana's Touch in Lithgow which my
27:12
Speaker 5: pub raised its money raised money for it the meat
27:14
Speaker 5: raffle last Friday night. And I've got to say I
27:16
Speaker 5: went to Kmart today to buy the stuff for these
27:18
Speaker 5: kids to go back to school and krudos to came up.
27:22
Speaker 5: They've actually got a lot of stuff there at the
27:23
Speaker 5: moment for like ten and twenty cents, pencil cases, pens, rulers,
27:27
Speaker 5: all of this sort of stuff, and it's you know,
27:29
Speaker 5: it was nice to say that there's actually a big
27:31
Speaker 5: corporate that's doing something.
27:32
Speaker 2: So so some good things are happening. Okay, we need
27:34
Speaker 2: to take a break. When we come back. After the break,
27:37
Speaker 2: Donald Trump makes her grab for Greenland. That is if
27:40
Speaker 2: he's not too busy bombing Iran. Those coming up after
27:43
Speaker 2: this welcome back. Since his first term in office, Donald
27:50
Speaker 2: Trump has been keen to get his hands on Greenland,
27:53
Speaker 2: and in his second term he's made it even clearer
27:55
Speaker 2: and talked about doing anything to get hold of Greenland.
27:58
Speaker 2: So who's European allies to say, no, no, no, no, you
28:00
Speaker 2: can't do that. It belongs to Denmark. Denmark's part of NATO,
28:03
Speaker 2: and so NATO has to defend Greenland.
28:06
Speaker 3: Trump.
28:06
Speaker 2: Trump responds by posting a picture of himself in the
28:10
Speaker 2: White House looking out the window. Take a look at
28:12
Speaker 2: the photograph that he posted. There's Donald Trump looking out
28:16
Speaker 2: the window. And what does he see? He sees green
28:19
Speaker 2: Lad what's going on?
28:22
Speaker 6: Trump betroll And it's just so awesome. It's just he's
28:25
Speaker 6: got the best social media game in the world, bar none,
28:29
Speaker 6: at least where US presidents and other world leaders are concerned.
28:34
Speaker 1: He's just ingenious.
28:34
Speaker 6: And this is the thing with Trump, and his opponents
28:37
Speaker 6: fall for it again and again and again and again.
28:41
Speaker 6: Every time he thinks he might be in trouble for something,
28:44
Speaker 6: every time he's got an issue that he doesn't want
28:46
Speaker 6: people to be noticing or thinking about He just drops
28:50
Speaker 6: this huge distraction, whether it's announcing Pete haig Seth from
28:54
Speaker 6: Fox News is the Secretary of Defense, or whether it's saying.
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Speaker 3: I know, hey, we no no no, no, you're president.
29:03
Speaker 2: No no no. This is more than a distraction. He
29:06
Speaker 2: really does want Greenland. He really is after Greenland. So
29:10
Speaker 2: it's not just a distraction. And what this actually is
29:13
Speaker 2: is Trump's method of doing a deal of campaigning. He
29:17
Speaker 2: does it in public.
29:18
Speaker 3: So he wants Greenland, he wants Venezuela.
29:21
Speaker 2: Quite think he wants them boat and he probably wants
29:23
Speaker 2: and what he wants Greenland for, well, he says for
29:27
Speaker 2: security reasons. But Greenland is twenty million square kilometers of
29:31
Speaker 2: perma frost occupied by fifty seven thousand people. So what
29:36
Speaker 2: he'll do is he will threaten to send in the
29:38
Speaker 2: Marines and everyone will get hot under the collar. Then
29:40
Speaker 2: he'll make a deal with these fifty seven thousand people
29:43
Speaker 2: and they will say, oh, yes, we'd like to come
29:44
Speaker 2: under America's umbrella please.
29:46
Speaker 3: It's how he does deal.
29:47
Speaker 5: Well, he's currently getting prepared to offer them one hundred
29:50
Speaker 5: thousand US dollars each. It's one hundred and fifty thousand
29:53
Speaker 5: Australian dollars each to say, you know, it will become American.
29:56
Speaker 4: I still don't really understand. Because the US a protectorate of.
30:01
Speaker 5: Greenland and has the deal with Denmark, the US can
30:05
Speaker 5: put as many military bases it wants on Greenland. It
30:08
Speaker 5: can basically do whatever it wants already. So it's it's
30:12
Speaker 5: clearly a commercial decision that they're more interested in accessing
30:15
Speaker 5: the minerals that are allegedly plentiful in Greenland.
30:20
Speaker 4: But as you say, it's permafrost, how are they going
30:22
Speaker 4: to get to them? I'm not sure. It's quite as
30:24
Speaker 4: digging a hole in the ground.
30:26
Speaker 6: It is just a distractor. It's a bit of fun.
30:29
Speaker 6: They've already got bases there. Apparently there is a more
30:33
Speaker 6: recent agreement than the original one where they can't just
30:35
Speaker 6: expand as much as they want will and nearly they
30:37
Speaker 6: do have to consult and they you know whatever that means.
30:40
Speaker 1: But again, you know, if you're.
30:41
Speaker 6: Consulting, hey, Greenland, the United States of America with the
30:45
Speaker 6: world's largest military force, would you like to consult on
30:48
Speaker 6: US Denmark? So I think, you know, but again I
30:54
Speaker 6: just don't think it's the main game. I think this
30:56
Speaker 6: is something Trump pulls out just to just to try
31:00
Speaker 6: all these enemies and just to make the gullible left.
31:02
Speaker 3: You get it all in the froth of the Americans.
31:04
Speaker 3: He goes and does Greenland for a long time.
31:06
Speaker 2: They made a bit for eighteen ninety six, in nineteen ten,
31:09
Speaker 2: in nineteen forty six, so it's sort of Trump side.
31:11
Speaker 3: It's been around for a long time. What he wants to.
31:13
Speaker 2: Get is a thing called a Compact of Free Association,
31:15
Speaker 2: which is what America has with Melanesia and Palau and
31:18
Speaker 2: the Marshall Islands, whereby they're recognized as a sovereign nation.
31:22
Speaker 3: But basically everything in the.
31:24
Speaker 2: World is plugged into America, American social services, American grants,
31:28
Speaker 2: American military, and they can't make a move without America.
31:32
Speaker 2: I think that's what he wants to end up with.
31:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure. Look, I'm sure.
31:35
Speaker 3: Again, if you've got Greenland, he'd take it.
31:37
Speaker 1: He'd be wrapped. And again, I mean, if America.
31:40
Speaker 6: Really really really wanted Greenland, it could probably just take it,
31:43
Speaker 6: you know.
31:44
Speaker 1: I mean, it got Alaska.
31:45
Speaker 5: I mean, it's true that there's no roads between the
31:48
Speaker 5: towns in Greenland actually to grow around.
31:52
Speaker 3: By boat by boat that's right. There are no roads
31:54
Speaker 3: between not a great it's fair to say it's not
31:57
Speaker 3: a great tourist destination. No.
31:58
Speaker 5: Well, you know, I'm wondering if they added it as an
32:00
Speaker 5: extra state, though, would it be Republicans the Democrat.
32:04
Speaker 2: Wouldn't be a state, It would only be this compact
32:06
Speaker 2: of free association.
32:07
Speaker 4: You never know.
32:07
Speaker 5: I mean, we've seen Jerry managering of our politics in
32:10
Speaker 5: South were Sydney with citizenship services, maybe you know they'll
32:13
Speaker 5: give it a nice dose of electoral.
32:16
Speaker 4: College vis a.
32:19
Speaker 5: Politicians speaking citizens and my middle name.
32:23
Speaker 4: At times.
32:24
Speaker 1: I'll tell you a country that I reckon. Donald Trump very.
32:27
Speaker 6: Much is interested in engaging with militarily, and that is
32:31
Speaker 6: our old friends and the Islamic Republic of Iran.
32:35
Speaker 1: Trump has vowed.
32:37
Speaker 6: In his own special way, as he likes to do
32:39
Speaker 6: on Truth Social his own social media channel, that help
32:42
Speaker 6: is on the way. I feel like we should have
32:44
Speaker 6: LRB coming in big Glenn Sharick, Hey help us on
32:50
Speaker 6: Iranian patriots, He says, keep protesting, take over your institutions,
32:54
Speaker 6: save the names of the killers and abuses. They will
32:57
Speaker 6: pay a big price. I've canceled all meeting with Iranian
33:00
Speaker 6: officials till the senseless killing of protesters stops.
33:04
Speaker 1: Help is on its way.
33:06
Speaker 6: Hang on, do you help us on make Iran great again?
33:11
Speaker 1: President Donald D. Trump?
33:12
Speaker 6: I wish he had a signed off thank you for
33:14
Speaker 6: your attention to this matter.
33:15
Speaker 1: But anyway, other than that, it's a pretty perfect tweet.
33:18
Speaker 6: So here is Trump after the Iranian said, Hey, it's
33:22
Speaker 6: the president.
33:23
Speaker 1: Don't invade us. We want peace.
33:25
Speaker 6: We just also have killed about twelve thousand of our
33:28
Speaker 6: civilian population.
33:29
Speaker 1: So you know, swings around about, hey, this is what
33:32
Speaker 1: Trump said back.
33:34
Speaker 8: Iran is on my mind when I see the kind
33:37
Speaker 8: of death that is happening over there, we think, so
33:41
Speaker 8: we're going to get some accurate numbers. I have about
33:44
Speaker 8: twenty minutes. We'll get some accurate numbers as to what's
33:48
Speaker 8: happening with regard to the killing. The killing looks like
33:50
Speaker 8: it's significant, but we don't know yet for certain. I'll
33:53
Speaker 8: know within twenty minutes so and we'll act accordingly.
34:00
Speaker 6: So there you go, thousands of thousands of innocent people
34:03
Speaker 6: being killed by barbaric regime, possibly tens of thousands before
34:08
Speaker 6: this conflict or these protests over these people who just
34:11
Speaker 6: want their freedom and democracy and not to have a
34:14
Speaker 6: militaristic regime take innocent lives, and as you would expect,
34:19
Speaker 6: of course, protests have erupted throughout the Western world, London,
34:24
Speaker 6: New York, every single day, in Melbourne and Sydney.
34:30
Speaker 5: Freeer, Run Run, Joe, What is the problem with your
34:35
Speaker 5: mates on the left?
34:36
Speaker 4: The blatant hypocrisy.
34:37
Speaker 5: They're all about human rights and the poor rights being
34:42
Speaker 5: trampled on in Gaza, but a little bit of silence
34:47
Speaker 5: when it comes to the Iranian people trying to stand
34:50
Speaker 5: up and take their country back from an absolutely oppressive rate.
34:54
Speaker 1: Protest about South Sudan.
34:56
Speaker 3: It's smartan well. In fact, I'm tolls the sun Berger
35:01
Speaker 3: is currently.
35:05
Speaker 4: Tortilla.
35:06
Speaker 5: But you know, I mean, it's just so hypocritical of
35:08
Speaker 5: these people, and it just proves yet again, it's got
35:10
Speaker 5: nothing to do with human rights. It's got nothing to
35:13
Speaker 5: do with the rights of Muslims or oppression around the world.
35:17
Speaker 5: If they can wear a kefia and support Hamas, or
35:20
Speaker 5: more to the point, attack Israel, that's what they'll do.
35:23
Speaker 5: But any other group facing oppression, whether it's Muslims or not,
35:28
Speaker 5: these people could not care. Where are some of those
35:31
Speaker 5: politicians performing stunts in Parliament with their Kefirs.
35:34
Speaker 4: Where are they now?
35:35
Speaker 5: Nothing can be heard or seen from any of them,
35:38
Speaker 5: and it's just absolutely disgraceful. But if we want to
35:42
Speaker 5: talk about unicorn farmers, I think Peter Fitzsimon's is up
35:47
Speaker 5: there and his latest call today that perhaps Anthony Albanesi
35:52
Speaker 5: should appoint Peter Dutton as the next US ambassador just
35:57
Speaker 5: shows how, you know, maybe that dies seeping into his
36:00
Speaker 5: brain from that bandana or something. I don't know, but
36:04
Speaker 5: I mean, look, I think Peter do a great job
36:06
Speaker 5: as a US ambassador. I think he'd certainly have more
36:09
Speaker 5: in alignment with Trump and his certainly.
36:12
Speaker 4: His cabinet than Kevin Rudd.
36:14
Speaker 5: Ever Wood, I'm not sure if Peter is a golfer,
36:18
Speaker 5: but I think Peter Dutton, that is, would have a
36:21
Speaker 5: much better opportunity of having a strong relationship with Trump
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Speaker 5: in the administration than perhaps Kevin Rudd would on a
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Speaker 5: personal level. But seriously, Peter Fitzsimon, not a friend of
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Speaker 5: conservative politicians, is what is he smoking to suggest that
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Speaker 5: albin Esi, probably the most cynical, politically motivated, pole driven
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Speaker 5: prime minist of his country has ever seen. I mean, look,
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Speaker 5: I think appointing someone from the coalition side would actually
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Speaker 5: do ALBINSI the world of good. But I also know
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Speaker 5: he's completely stubborn, and there is his reson datre is
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Speaker 5: fighting tories. He's not going to put in a Tory.
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Speaker 6: He actually said that very telling actually because he said
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Speaker 6: he said we should be fighting Tories. When he actually
37:04
Speaker 6: said that was when the Labor Party was fighting itself,
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Speaker 6: and so his whole thing was, what are we doing
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Speaker 6: tearing ourselves apart when we should be fighting, you know,
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Speaker 6: the other side.
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Speaker 3: To put up anyone from the coalition tonight of course.
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Speaker 1: Well interesting, So when one of the things that.
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Speaker 6: Actually really upset people in the Labor Party under Kevin
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Speaker 6: Rudd's rule, which basically started all the in fighting that
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Speaker 6: Alba was talking about when he said that, was when
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Speaker 6: Rudd appointed Kim Beasley as US ambassador and at the
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Speaker 6: same time announced Brendan Nelson the immediate past opposition leader
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Speaker 6: to the EU, and people in the alp Corcus room
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Speaker 6: felt that that was extremely disrespectful for Kim Beasley because
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Speaker 6: he didn't get his own standalone announcement and the.
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Speaker 5: Fact they pathetic, really are they?
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Speaker 6: That I felt it was Kevin, Kevin not allowing his
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Speaker 6: great nemesis his time, the son of the lab that
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Speaker 6: is not There is absolutely no way on God's green
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Speaker 6: Earth that is going to happen.
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Speaker 4: I never thought you and I had.
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Speaker 2: Something jobs for the boys in the Labor Party, and
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Speaker 2: now surprise job.
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Speaker 5: It causes factional ructions and in fighting if the jobs
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Speaker 5: for the boys aren't announced in the right way.
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Speaker 4: I mean, seriously, I mean, get out of university politics. People.
38:30
Speaker 4: You're grown ups now, but you.
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Speaker 6: Have to have with your ambassador to the US. It
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Speaker 6: is still our most important strategic relationship. You have to
38:38
Speaker 6: have someone with whom you basically share a hive mind.
38:41
Speaker 6: You have to be completely and utterly as one with them.
38:44
Speaker 6: You have to know that they will be able to
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Speaker 6: act as you would act in your absence with the
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Speaker 6: most powerful leader on Earth.
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Speaker 1: And the most powerful is.
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Speaker 3: Also able to can also connect with Trump, could also.
38:57
Speaker 6: Tell us why he is invading Greenland or whatever.
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Speaker 5: And maybe you get that on the back night. I
39:04
Speaker 5: mean maybe as you go around you do that's I.
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Speaker 1: Mean absolutely absolutely.
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Speaker 3: I don't know.
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Speaker 5: I don't know if Scomo is a good goal for either,
39:10
Speaker 5: but Scott certainly had a good relationship with him.
39:13
Speaker 4: When you think the importance of Aucar.
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Speaker 2: And Conroy's ruled himself even already himself out.
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Speaker 1: Border.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Conroy's ruled John fitz.
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Speaker 4: Gibbons not a bad names. I have all the time
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Speaker 4: in the world for Joel. I love Joel.
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Speaker 5: I used to offer him a Liberal Party membership form
39:30
Speaker 5: when we were in the hundred.
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Speaker 4: So that a buddy has left.
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Speaker 3: Joel, Joe, I've had a better idea.
39:35
Speaker 2: What we actually do is we've persuaded the Labor Party
39:37
Speaker 2: to send Alberonizi to Washington and replace him with someone
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Speaker 2: who's competent here. That would be a good move for us,
39:43
Speaker 2: and I don't care what he does in Washington.
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Speaker 5: Then Stephen Senter Tampo last night, that came up with
39:47
Speaker 5: a very cynical approach. Since we're on the theme tonight,
39:50
Speaker 5: hell that perhaps how easy should send Josh Friedenberg over
39:55
Speaker 5: because Josh would then be out of the way, not
39:57
Speaker 5: ready to run for Coyong again maybe in a few years,
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Speaker 5: certainly not here to run against him as Prime minister
40:02
Speaker 5: anytime soon.
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Speaker 3: So okay, let's turn our attention job. That's very simple.
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Speaker 2: But I want to turn your attention to all those
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Speaker 2: flights between here and Washington, because what happens on the flights.
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Speaker 2: When we get on we get the safety message, we
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Speaker 2: never listen to it, We never look at it. How
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Speaker 2: often have you taken They tell you to take the
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Speaker 2: safety card out of the pocket and the seat in
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Speaker 2: front of you and.
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Speaker 3: Have a look at it. How often have you done that? Never?
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Speaker 2: I know you too, well, don't I? So we don't
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Speaker 2: do that, We don't pay any attention. Well, it is possible,
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Speaker 2: in fact, to make us pay attention, and this is
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Speaker 2: one way to do that.
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Speaker 9: Should there be a rapid change in cabin lsure oxygen
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Speaker 9: masks will automatically drop in front of you, all masked,
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Speaker 9: firmly towards you to start the flow of oxygen. Please
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Speaker 9: it over your nose and mouth, pull the elastic band
40:55
Speaker 9: for a snug fit and breathe. Normally the oxygen will flow,
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Speaker 9: even if the bag can start inflated. Remember to put
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Speaker 9: your own mask first before assisting others. Keep the mask
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Speaker 9: on until you are advised to remove it. Emergency exits
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Speaker 9: are clearly marked along each side of the cabin. Locate
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Speaker 9: the nearest exit, which may be behind you.
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Speaker 2: So basically, Philippine Airlines are basically made the safety message
41:22
Speaker 2: into a complete romantic melodrama, a bit like a television
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Speaker 2: soap opera, all in a couple of minutes. It's a
41:28
Speaker 2: clever thing to do, isn't it.
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Speaker 1: Joe telling novella?
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Speaker 6: But yeah, what happens after you've seen it the first
41:32
Speaker 6: time and you know how it ends?
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Speaker 4: Oh maybe they have a sequel when they have the baby.
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Speaker 6: Now it works, I think if you want to do it,
41:40
Speaker 6: it's just a no brainer. It's crude, but it's simple
41:42
Speaker 6: and it's effective, which is that you show all the
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Speaker 6: blokes the safety instructions being presented by a hot, topless chick,
41:48
Speaker 6: and you show all the women the safety instructions presented
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Speaker 6: by a guy who's a good listener.
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Speaker 2: And the problem is you don't actually separate the cabin
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Speaker 2: on a gender basis, so that idea doesn't work.
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Speaker 3: So thank you very much.
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Speaker 4: Of your private screen there. And what you know, who
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Speaker 4: says I want to go to the owner might want
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Speaker 4: a bit of buy candy myself while I'm going.
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Speaker 3: For anything. We never pay attention, do we look?
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Speaker 5: My husband is one of those horrible people that gets
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Speaker 5: on a plane and goes straight to sleep and like
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Speaker 5: can literally sleep to London. Like it's awful, but he
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Speaker 5: always stays away for the safety announcement.
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Speaker 4: As a courtesys.
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Speaker 6: I pretend I pretend I'm listening to you know, I'll
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Speaker 6: actually look up and nod start thinking about, you know,
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Speaker 6: twelve across in the cryptic crossword.
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Speaker 5: It's just really weird when they're standing right next to
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Speaker 5: you and they kind of make eye contact.
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Speaker 1: They know what they're doing.
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Speaker 5: I honestly think we should remove the seat belt. If
42:45
Speaker 5: you don't know how to clip a seat belt and
42:47
Speaker 5: take a seat belt off. I think the rules of
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Speaker 5: Darwin should apply here. There's only certain things we should
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Speaker 5: make excuses for going for.
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Speaker 2: And they've made it easier because the poor old flight
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Speaker 2: attendants had to stand there and recite the same words
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Speaker 2: again and again. They're now recorded, they're now play over
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Speaker 2: the system, so they don't have to even have to
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Speaker 2: remember them.
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Speaker 3: The thing that they've.
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Speaker 5: Got to remember the welcome to countries.
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Speaker 6: At least as long as you're up there, you could
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Speaker 6: be patting your little poodle or your little pussy.
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Speaker 7: Can someone else's That has nothing to do with my
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Speaker 7: previous suggestions, right, Okay, I'm just.
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Speaker 4: A little bit worried how blue weeing.
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Speaker 6: Because Virgin Airlines has just announced that they will be
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Speaker 6: extending their Pets in Cabin trial until twenty twenty six.
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Speaker 1: Now, I don't know about you.
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Speaker 6: I'm just not quite sure that allowing a whole bunch
43:36
Speaker 6: of wild animals on a plane is a great idea.
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Speaker 6: It doesn't work for Bucks nights, it doesn't work for
43:43
Speaker 6: end of season footy trips, and it shouldn't work for
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Speaker 6: other species either.
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Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure.
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Speaker 5: My multi shitsu is better behaved than guys on a
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Speaker 5: Bucks night, though I think they might be okay on
43:52
Speaker 5: a plane.
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Speaker 6: I'm just saying they're all part of the same spectrum,
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Speaker 6: all on the same.
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Speaker 2: What I really don't want is to get into the
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Speaker 2: cabin and smell the animals. I'm not going to do that.
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Speaker 2: I'm not going to get into the cabin and spell
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Speaker 2: the animal. If there are eyes on that, I'm not
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Speaker 2: traveling so a Virgin, if you want my business. I
44:10
Speaker 2: know they're cute, I know they're in containers. I know
44:12
Speaker 2: you do all those sorts of things, and you're doing
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Speaker 2: it as well as you can. And I'm sure there
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Speaker 2: are people you make very happy by doing that, But
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Speaker 2: one of them is not me. I'm not flying with
44:21
Speaker 2: dogs and cats on aeroplanes.
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Speaker 4: Look four or five on a flight.
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Speaker 5: I mean, it's it's like but it's like kids or
44:28
Speaker 5: even any sea partner you get. If someone smells nice
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Speaker 5: and it's had a shower and behaves themselves and keeps
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Speaker 5: to their spot and doesn't annoyingly talk to you, then
44:38
Speaker 5: they're fine.
44:39
Speaker 4: Whereas you know.
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Speaker 5: And if you get a quiet puppy who smells nice
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Speaker 5: and it's had to wash, it doesn't poo in its
44:45
Speaker 5: basket or halfway over the Atlantic.
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Speaker 4: That's fine. But you know again, you get a baby
44:51
Speaker 4: on a flight screaming the whole flight.
44:53
Speaker 5: Is annoying, and then I get well, well, because adults
44:58
Speaker 5: only retreats. I'm starting to think adults only flights are
45:01
Speaker 5: a good thing.
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Speaker 6: What about George Clooney, he gets on the flight with
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Speaker 6: his pot bellied pig.
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Speaker 1: Yes he's got a pop belly.
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Speaker 5: Say, okay, I don't care if, but I don't want
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Speaker 5: him to talk because he's such a blatant and awful lefty.
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Speaker 4: I wouldn't agree with anything, but he is rather easy
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Speaker 4: on the end.
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Speaker 6: What if he just came in stared at you, listen
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Speaker 6: to whatever you had to say, did whatever you wanted
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Speaker 6: him to do, but still had the pot bellied pig.
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Speaker 2: Can you believe these two? The pigs are not allowed
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Speaker 2: on aeroplanes.
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Speaker 6: We were talking so long ago that putting pigs slippery.
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Speaker 5: Slope and making me uncomfortable and blush about what I
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Speaker 5: do with George Clooney on a flight.
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Speaker 4: With a pig?
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Speaker 1: I think.
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Speaker 6: Anyway, as long as we've got thirty seconds left, how
45:51
Speaker 6: about we look at this skier saving a buried man stuck.
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Speaker 1: In the snow.
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Speaker 3: They have a do They've got a Saint Bernard pig?
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Speaker 1: Right?
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Speaker 3: How commy easy?
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Speaker 1: Im here? Come here? Can you feel?
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Speaker 3: Okay? We removed as not close the mouth for one second.
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Speaker 1: There you go amazing, isn't it.
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Speaker 6: I don't think I would ever live my life long
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Speaker 6: enough to see a talking pig.
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Speaker 2: Right, But that was irrelevant. But that was a good
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Speaker 2: news story, and we hope we've cheered you up a bit.
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Speaker 2: After the break, we give them the expression horse power
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Speaker 2: a new meeting.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back.
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Speaker 2: Now, whether you've been to New York or not, you
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Speaker 2: probably know there are horse drawn carriages in Central Park
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Speaker 2: for the benefit of the tourists. And if you've been
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Speaker 2: a tourist, you've probably been on one. But what happens
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Speaker 2: when the horse actually breaks loose from the carriage, It
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Speaker 2: just takes off through the traffic something like this.
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Speaker 10: Alarming moments just now emerging after an accident in New
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Speaker 10: York City when I run away cariage horse dashed into traffic,
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Speaker 10: crashing into cars. Witnesses captured video of the horse baulting
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Speaker 10: into the path of oncoming cars. The carriage driver's unions
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Speaker 10: as a delivery driver startled the horse, The horse is okay.
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Speaker 3: I was just picturing Filly in the insurance plane.
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Speaker 2: What happened to your car? Well, it was hit by
47:19
Speaker 2: a horse. I could see the insurance company questioning that.
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Speaker 5: Don't do the horse and carriage might be a box
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Speaker 5: that's missing on the ticker form when you're filling out
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Speaker 5: the insurance. But in case you missed it, Destiny, the
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Speaker 5: horse is fine. And then was no one in the carriage.
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Speaker 5: So it's only the four or five cars that really
47:35
Speaker 5: experienced some damage.
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Speaker 4: But you know, having.
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Speaker 5: Bench New York, and I'm pretty sure any of anyone
47:39
Speaker 5: that's benched New York, most New York because don't think
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Speaker 5: would have even battered an eyelid at this. They would
47:43
Speaker 5: have just you know, probably the cabs would have just
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Speaker 5: yelled at the horse to get out of the way exactly.
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Speaker 6: That would have thought it was being ridden by Tom
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Speaker 6: Cruise or something.
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Speaker 4: They probably additioned impossible, Spain.
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Speaker 1: Well, they just couldn't see him.
47:53
Speaker 6: It was interesting that all the headlines said, you know,
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Speaker 6: carriage horse, you know, escapes and charges into traffic. Isn't
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Speaker 6: the more salent point that the horse was still attached
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Speaker 6: to the carriage. Yes at the time, Yes.
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Speaker 4: There was no one driving the cab.
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Speaker 2: He had taken off under returned steam on the phone account.
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Speaker 2: But mind you, when you talk about New York traffic,
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Speaker 2: you've got to understand it moves at about walking pace.
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Speaker 1: The horse was going fast.
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Speaker 3: It was going faster than the traffic.
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Speaker 6: But yeah, they did check on the horse, Destiny, and
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Speaker 6: she was fine. Thanks for clarifying that, Holly. Although they
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Speaker 6: did check on Destiny's child and found out it had
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Speaker 6: broken up. The kangaroo is another animal which we like
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Speaker 6: to pay attention to on this show. And having been
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Speaker 6: to a few water parks myself, just to give the
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Speaker 6: ladies of Australia something to talk about, I know they
48:37
Speaker 6: can get a bit steamy and sometimes you want to
48:39
Speaker 6: take a bit of a dip. And this is a
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Speaker 6: kangaroo whose name, unlike Destiny, we do not know who
48:46
Speaker 6: was taking a dip at the heated tropical waters of
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Speaker 6: the Lava Lagoon Lazy River and had the good sense
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Speaker 6: and consideration to do it before the park was open
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Speaker 6: to the visitors.
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Speaker 1: So there you go.
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Speaker 6: I did not know that the kangaroo was an aquatic animal,
49:04
Speaker 6: but been wrong before.
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Speaker 3: What we've learned is that kangaroos can dog paddle.
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Speaker 4: Who would have thought, no, it looks beautiful.
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Speaker 5: I feel like I needed a float and a paint
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Speaker 5: of collater and float down there myselfs Rather it.
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Speaker 1: Was a horse flight, you'd have Destiny.
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Speaker 2: We might just all dash off and have a dip
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Speaker 2: at this point. Coming up next, Australia a History, Part
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Speaker 2: three with Tony Abbott