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HFD Fire Chief Kalani Hao on the Māʻili wildfire and tips to protect your 'ohana and property · The One Oʻahu Podcast with Mayor Rick Blangiardi

• 0:15
  Welcome to the One Oahu podcast.
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  I'm your host, Brandi Higa, and today is Thursday, July 10th, 2025.
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  And we're here at the Honolulu Fire Department headquarters because joining us
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  this week is Fire Chief
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  Kalani Hao. Chief, thanks for making some time for me.
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  You're very welcome.
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  Thank you for having me on.
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  And, you know, we thought
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  it'd be appropriate to come this week because the biggest story of the week
• 0:35
  dominating the newscast, obviously, is that wildfire in Maili
• 0:39
  that claimed the lives of a 94 year old woman and at least one dog
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  destroyed multiple structures and hundreds evacuating out of that area.
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  Can you tell us what happened out there on Sunday?
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  Well, we came in as like a normal, wildfire response.
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  I think it's difficult.
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  I think for our perspective.
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  Wildland response is a little different every single time.
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  So unfortunately, with this fire, it came in
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  close to homes and people.
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  So things happened very fast.
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  And, you know, like you said, unfortunately, someone passed and,
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  we lost an animal and a lot of structures,
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  but our personal data, I think, did as best as they could for us.
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  Our priorities are likely incident stabilization and property conservation.
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  So I think in after they're going through what they did in their actions,
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  they did just that, thinking about the possible potential
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  and just containing it into that one area and not having like a line
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  or type of event, just protecting the rest of the community.
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  Again, initially came in as a normal type of a wildland response.
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  We've sent three units
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  and again, getting there at the scene, winds were kind of on the higher end.
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  So it was really running.
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  Total response ended up being a total of 29 units ended up being sent.
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  And we ended up
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  bringing multiple battalion chiefs to come over and manage the scene.
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  It was just so complex, so many different,
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  you know, I
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  guess the homes in the area, everything kind of came quick.
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  Would you say everyone is different and then you say that 29 number.
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  What does that mean?
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  There's units coming from how far away.
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  It's coming from all over the whole island.
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  So what we do is when a normal call comes in,
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  depending on the duration, we always backfill.
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  So as the need, you know, I said our initial response, we had three units.
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  And if they can go over it and it can take care of the incident
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  and we know it's going to be completed, you know, within a timely manner.
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  We may not need to backfill.
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  But as they get to scene,
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  we knew that this is something bigger than what the initial response had to do.
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  And ultimately you start sending more and more companies
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  at a certain point in time.
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  We do have to make a decision
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  that there's the rest of the island that needs to be protected
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  and up in that point about that, but we're not going to just keep calling people.
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  They just have to make do with the resources
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  that they have it hand. Fortunately,
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  we have good working relationship with, city and state partners.
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  So in this instance,
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  it was not only the city and County of Honolulu,
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  but our federal partners came out immediately.
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  I was contacted by the state, our,
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  state D.O.T., they're just offering resources, to us.
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  So we're very fortunate to have good partnerships with the state and federal.
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  But in this case, it was just HFD and the federal firefighters
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  that kind of help mitigate and handle the incident.
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  And when it comes to personnel and like you said, those 29 units,
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  what does it look like comparatively like have we had anything of that size
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  recently that you can think of?
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  Or folks can be like, oh yeah. So that was kind of like that fire.
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  I'm not sure if we can see, This is big.
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  It's big.
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  We even have structure fires.
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  We can have a lot of units start rolling in.
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  But 24, once we start hitting that number, it it's it doesn't happen very often.
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  And then it starts taxing our resources.
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  And again like I said, we have to take care of the entire island. So
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  it doesn't happen all the time.
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  Yeah.
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  And so how does it work logistically when there's another fire
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  that breaks out, like the Kunar wildfire,
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  which we saw happen on Sunday the exact same time?
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  There's a lot of things where these things just but, you know,
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  nobody luck or unlucky that these things can stack up on each other.
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  So there was a fire in Waipahu and after they were done
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  with the Waipahu fire, or just closing up this when this, this wildfire
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  broke out and you just our guys have to do the best they can.
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  If they stabilize one incident,
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  then we might as soon as we can free up some resources, they can kind of move over
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  and take care of the next incident in that area.
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  And then what about the clip at which these are popping up?
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  We saw a number of 17 in the first week of July.
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  Is that more than usual?
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  No. And look, historically within the first,
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  6 or 7 months of the over the year, we're actually still below the average.
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  So we are approximately 250 throughout the years.
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  But you know, it it goes up down.
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  So there's an from a cumulative standpoint, it's not out of the ordinary.
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  But attention paid to these fires, especially from the public,
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  especially on social media, especially from the general news media.
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  It's a little bit higher.
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  I mean, it could be a result of something like Lahaina.
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  But what are you seeing?
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  Definitely. It's Lahaina.
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  Everybody is a little more sensitive.
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  So when these fires come out and just to kind of give you
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  an example of the sensitivity
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  post Lahaina fire,
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  there was fires on the central side of the island.
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  We had people in the middle of the metropolitan area in Honolulu
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  calling in asking if they had needed to evacuate.
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  So of course it's it's still there.
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  I think people are a little bit more, kind of forgot about it to some extent.
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  But I think if you look at going through all the neighborhood board
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  meetings are still one of the hot topics and how we want to address
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  wildfire, wildland, urban interface areas,
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  you know, places like and what I mean, it is what is one of the things
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  that's been coming up, places like Mark kilo one way and one way out
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  and so they have their concerns on, on from those communities.
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  But for those listening, what
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  should they do if they see a wildfire, you know, like what do you take?
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  Who do you help? This kind of came up with the Miley one.
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  People I know start watering down their properties
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  as soon as you know their site of smoke.
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  What should they do?
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  First things first.
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  If you're not, just notify, so call 911.
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  Let us get our units responding so we can help take care of the issue.
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  And again yeah people want to
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  you know what to do lawns or whatever it is.
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  But you know again
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  just notify and if you need to evacuate you can self evacuee.
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  If we need to
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  we will we'll working with our partners with HPD and Dmh just like we did in this.
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  My unifier.
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  That's exactly what happened.
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  Our incident commander gave the order to evacuate certain areas,
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  and HPD immediately went in and was starting to move people out there
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  on that, funnel over to them to be able to send out a broadcast to everyone to
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  to get it out more to the masses of, of what we want them
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  to do to, evacuate and keep themselves safe.
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  You're on the flip side.
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  What should people not do?
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  You know, we heard some reports of folks actively blocking roadways.
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  That's an obvious one, right? Don't do that.
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  But what what is your message for what not to do?
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  You know, historically we haven't seen people blocking or even impeding us.
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  Most people are very appreciative of what we do,
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  so we don't really run into that types of issues.
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  Again, just notify.
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  And if you feel the need that you're threatened self evacuate.
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  In regards to the Miley wildfire,
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  in talking to my incident command, there's you know, one thing that was apparent
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  that is how all of the first responder agencies
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  HPD, HFD, HPD, EMS and also DCM,
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  all work together to help mitigate this incident.
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  I think it all started, why it was successful and how
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  all of these entities worked well together.
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  Is the mayor having his foresight, just following Lahaina?
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  I think it was October 2023. We created all,
• 7:49
  Honolulu, wildfire working Group.
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  And it is through this working group that we wanted to take the lessons
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  learned from what happened in Maui and see, you know,
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  if it did happen here, what is the role that each department would play?
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  So we've always worked well with our other first
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  responder agencies, but it kind of helped us map out,
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  more into detail, exactly what with each person would play a role.
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  So, for example, in this case in the wildfire, there was an evacuation.
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  And we are it could be initiated by any, any, anyone.
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  But it was our incident command that called for it immediately. HPD
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  got on it.
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  They did a face to face and they went out and went above and beyond,
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  even putting themselves in harm's way to get, start evacuating people.
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  EMS also was deployed to help with any type of patient care
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  they all set up or, you know, location to kind of work together.
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  At that point, DM was also notified.
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  And again, we had the 18 hour alerts that came out.
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  So I think, again, with the mayor's foresight,
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  you can kind of start seeing how these things are playing out.
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  And, you know, there's always room for improvement.
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  So we're going to have a after action with all of these agencies
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  to see what we can do to polish things all better to get the word out.
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  And that working group still meets to this day.
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  I think we kind of expanded it.
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  To, to include all hazards because, you know, not only wildfire,
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  but if some other disaster would hit, like a hurricane,
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  the rules would still apply.
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  And what each, each department would do.
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  But from a first responder standpoint, I think we're kind of getting
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  a little more dialed
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  in on what each other's roles are and how we can better support each other.
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  Social media is always quick to put up content.
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  There's situations
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  I know folks will pull out their phone to get pictures and videos,
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  especially when there's flames visible,
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  even send their drones up once. It's hard to get shots of the aftermath
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  because that does well on Instagram, right?
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  But what's the safest way to go about doing all that in your mind?
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  Social media is something that is hard to control
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  because the message being sent out
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  is not necessarily from the perspective of what we would end up.
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  The message that we would end up setting.
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  So I think that is a challenge
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  I think we all have to deal with is try to, work with
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  or how do we coexist with social media and is the true message getting out.
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  So I think in working with the mayor's
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  comm comms team, I think most departments are trying to do our best to
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  we push out the content instead of allowing the social media
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  to people out in the community, kind of set the tone in the message.
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  And of course, that's through alert.
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  Yes, but you're in the exact air.
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  Get away.
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  You know, people said I didn't get an alert,
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  but I mean, if if you're there, you will get there.
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  There's also a lot of folks trying to take care of their properties beforehand.
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  Right.
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  What's your message for what to do with dry brush,
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  how to fireproof their property, things like that before.
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  So post I know we we work closely with the each WMO
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  and they push out already said go action guide and you can get a link
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  on our website is where as well as the Hawaii Wildfire
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  Management Organization and they have a guide
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  on instructing people what to do, making your go bags,
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  how to create a defensible space around your home.
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  The first 0 to 5ft away from your home is to remove
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  any type of combustibles, and also when you look at, if you know
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  more, defensible space than any, foliage
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  or debris or bushes 30 to 100ft out.
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  So I think people what they can do is manage their property,
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  keep a good defensible space, and then only helps your you out.
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  But your neighbors as well.
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  I just wanna take a step back.
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  You did mention that structure fire in Waipahu
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  that broke out right before the Miley.
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  The one that one was determined to be fireworks related.
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  What was your reaction to that?
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  I think a little bit of frustration.
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  Like, you know, we all put off the messaging, the, you know, fireworks,
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  aerial fireworks, that illegal fireworks is what normally causes these things.
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  So it's a little frustrating, to see people
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  still going out and engaging in the illegal activity.
• 11:53
  You just it make it safe for the community and as well as our firefighters as well.
• 11:58
  Yeah.
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  The state announced the other day as our state's new fire marshal.
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  I'm just not familiar.
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  I mean, maybe
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  because we haven't
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  had one in nearly 50 years, but what what's going to be her role?
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  You know, right now, we had the city fire council
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  that was filling in for the role of the city fire marshal.
• 12:14
  I think now is the time that we, as the CFR council, is going to sit down
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  with we authority to figure out how we're going to work together.
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  How that would play out.
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  I think, you know, she actually came out to the wildfire yesterday
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  and was taken along with our investigators.
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  So we have a meeting with her this quarter with the CFR council, in theory,
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  to see how how this office will be structured
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  and how we will work together with the CFR Council and the state Fire Marshal.
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  Another issue
• 12:42
  that we've been seeing a lot of is not every call is a fire.
• 12:45
  We've had lots of auto extrication lately as well.
• 12:47
  As of this recording.
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  We've had 41 traffic
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  deaths on Oahu roadways compared to 16 at this same time last year.
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  Your guys and your guys and women are the ones
• 12:58
  that respond to these calls and they see it firsthand.
• 13:01
  What's your message to drivers, passengers, even pedestrians right now?
• 13:05
  Drive with aloha.
• 13:07
  I think it's kind of hard.
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  You said there's a spike.
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  You know, sometimes these things come in waves, just like we mentioned.
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  Like the the brush fires coming in or these accidents.
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  And it's just so unfortunate to see this large spike, but just be careful.
• 13:19
  Be mindful of of your own speed.
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  Don't
• 13:23
  drink and drive, you know, so I can explain why.
• 13:26
  But yeah, just hopefully people make the right decisions and choices.
• 13:30
  Yeah. You know, tailing on that because you're right.
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  These kind of things are they.
• 13:34
  It's out of our control. Yep.
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  And it's hard to influence behavior public behavior.
• 13:39
  But this job in particular in the fire service it's not an easy one.
• 13:43
  This year in particular has dealt your department incredible adversity
• 13:47
  for the beginning of the year. It's up to today.
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  What are you doing currently when it comes to things like health and wellness, peer
• 13:53
  support, general screenings to make sure your personnel aren't overworked?
• 13:57
  I think that has been,
• 13:59
  in the fire service in general,
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  mental health and well-being is kind of coming to the forefront.
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  So we have our peer support team and they go out every type of major alarms.
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  Our team goes out
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  and reaches out to our personnel to see if they need any type of support.
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  And, you know, not only with what they see at,
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  at the alarms that they go through, but just being in the fire service
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  in general to make sure that everything at home is okay.
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  You know, for us, being away
• 14:27
  is the family dynamic that your, your significant other should be taking
• 14:30
  care of the family as well.
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  So it's having that balance and being able to listen to the issues
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  that our personnel have to face with the alarms and also at home. So
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  the peer support team really helps.
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  With that said, though, I mean, each of the isn't the only shift work in town.
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  What have you been able to do to avoid the recruitment
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  and retention issues that other first responder agencies like HPD, EMS,
• 14:56
  what are you guys doing differently? That seems to be.
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  You know, fortunately for us, we don't have,
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  we see it a trend that's happening around the around the,
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  you know, in the nation trying to get workers in general.
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  And we we are seeing we're being impacted as well,
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  but not at the level as we see, like HPD or other departments.
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  Fortunately for us, I people love to see firefighters.
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  We come in and we help people.
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  So I think we don't have the same challenges
• 15:23
  that other departments may have. Yeah, yeah.
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  So we do our best to look at analytics and do our recruitment to make sure
• 15:30
  that we are depositing more than is being withdraw people retiring and separating.
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  So we still have we're still being impacted, but not to the level
• 15:38
  of other first responder agencies.
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  And then back to that question about adversity.
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  I asked, you know, what the department does
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  for your personnel, but what about you personally?
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  How do you find balance in this job that is very much
• 15:54
  not static?
• 15:57
  A my challenge is balancing two families.
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  I have my wife and kids at home, and I have the family in the fire department.
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  Fortunately, I have a very,
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  my wife is a very good partner, and she understands
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  the challenges that comes with this position. And,
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  I just or even at home and at work, I'm surrounded by good people.
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  So to have that support at home as well, at work,
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  it makes things manageable.
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  We do our best.
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  I mean, our personnel in the field are the guys doing the work.
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  So I, I don't feel that our position is
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  any more
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  challenging than what our guys do every day.
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  Yeah.
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  And, chief, I, I know you're not Paul yet, but, you know, you're talking about.
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  We talked about retention.
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  We talked about personnel.
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  But when you are.
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  Paul.
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  When the day comes. So we're not. Yeah.
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  We're not there yet.
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  But what's going to be
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  the one accomplishment as fire chief that you are most proud of.
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  Why I think, you know, we always see that our administration
• 16:58
  leave the department better than you found it.
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  I think,
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  leaving the people is is I think
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  probably our barb would be my biggest accomplishment.
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  Did we mentor or train the person, the people
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  around us that can continue,
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  the work that needs to be done to make sure the department can serve the community.
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  So I would probably say my biggest accomplishment,
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  it would be knowing that those people that I mentored
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  and we set up a system where when we leave, we did leave
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  the people better and the department in a better place.
• 17:32
  Do you have any mentors or anyone whose leadership style you try to mimic?
• 17:35
  Where does this come from?
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  I, I think home
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  as well as front of professional, perspective.
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  There's many you can learn from good and bad experiences,
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  but I think my foundation more was how it was raised.
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  My dynamic with my family, my wife and kids at home.
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  And when I came into the department, I was a young man.
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  So the people that I had mentoring with my first captains or my, my,
• 18:05
  my chiefs, but pretty much I grew up in the department as well to become an adult.
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  So I think my experiences in learning from everyone, every experience, whether,
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  like I said, my upbringing,
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  my my relationships I have at home with my wife
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  and as well as in the department kind of shaped more,
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  I guess, where I am as a person and a leader.
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  Is anyone sent out to me?
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  I have many, I have many.
• 18:31
  So my parents, my siblings, again, like I said,
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  my wife and my kids,
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  there's a, the young fire cap,
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  firefighter came in,
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  I cannot I cannot just see one.
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  This is each season of your career or life,
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  you have certain people that come in, you gain certain experiences,
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  and you just take the good in the bad from each experience.
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  So as a firefighter, one, I had a lot of senior firefighters,
• 19:00
  captains, chiefs that,
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  you know, I learned from.
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  And as I kept going up in the ranks and the different roles that I played,
• 19:10
  we we in a fire department always give back to the department
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  by giving back to each other and passing on whatever knowledge and that we have.
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  So it's not
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  I think it's a good culture that we have.
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  How old were you when you came into the department?
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  I was 24,
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  25, 25?
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  Yeah, 24.5.
• 19:31
  That's incredible.
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  Yeah, it's I'm on my 30th year, so time flies
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  when I look back in time where, you know, me, the young guys.
• 19:39
  And all of a sudden I look around and see where the where the old guys.
• 19:43
  Yeah.
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  If you could go back and tell your 24 year old self something,
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  what would have you.
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  I would never expect to be in this position.
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  That was,
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  you know, even my all my executive staff, we always laugh at each other with
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  this was never in our any of our vision to be in the roles that we were in.
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  But what I'll tell myself is
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  enjoy the ride.
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  I mean, time flies and you never know.
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  It'll be over in a blink of an eye.
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  My natural question to this. I mean, you came in so young.
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  What's the.
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  If you can say this on this podcast, what's the biggest mistake you've made?
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  And how did you get past that?
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  I know if mistake actually,
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  I never, you know, as a little kid, it was never my dream
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  to become a firefighter.
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  It just, you know, to be honestly, it was
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  my cousin's was going to get applications that I'm going to get you one.
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  So it's not a dream of mine, but,
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  I think sometimes in life
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  you get opportunities that he's given to you.
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  And I think that,
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  I was very fortunate to have this happen to me because, to be honest, is probably
• 20:57
  I don't think I would have enjoyed a job just sitting behind a desk in.
• 21:02
  It was just meant to be.
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  But, I got the best job in the world.
• 21:05
  A little bit of both.
• 21:06
  You can do blue collar work and a little bit of white collar work in this.
• 21:11
  A little bit of both?
• 21:13
  Yeah. Well, chief, thank you so much for your time.
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  Is there anything that we missed?
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  Oh, I just think maybe we're in again.
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  We started off with wildfire, and we're in the middle of a wildfire season.
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  Starts in May.
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  It kicks off in mid through October.
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  And just people be mindful of you know again learning from Lahaina
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  being sure that you can we can do it ourselves.
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  So it would also help that the community
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  again, reach out and look at the resources that we have on our website.
• 21:42
  Each more look at there really are ready, set, go action guide and
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  and see what the community can do to protect themselves, to help us.
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  And because we can't be there all the time.
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  And as you mentioned earlier, sometimes these calls me stack on each other,
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  and we can only do the best with what resources we have.
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  And, it'll take the whole community to keep all of us safe.
• 22:04
  Chief, this is a question that I asked the mayor,
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  and I don't mean to throw you off with this, but,
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  music heals, right?
• 22:10
  Yeah.
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  So everyone has that one song where, you know,
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  if you're having a bad day or if you just kind of need a pick me up,
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  you put on that one song and it kind of makes everything better.
• 22:18
  So for you, what is that one song?
• 22:22
  That's a difficult question.
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  I like my reggae.
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  I just listen to Bob Marley.
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  It's the thing that calms me.
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  I don't have that one song.
• 22:32
  Yeah, but anything, Bob.
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  Marley, anything, Bob Marley.
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  Thanks, chief.
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  And for more information, like you mentioned on wildland fire preparedness,
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  even home fire safety and more, you can always go to his website as well.
• 22:43
  Fire dot honolulu.gov.
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  Mahalo to Chief All for his time.
• 22:46
  Mahalo to you for listening.
• 22:48
  And until next time Aloha. Thank.
• 22:53
  Every little rock gonna be all right.