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Young Yale grad student gunned down just after marriage proposal. HAS PERP FLED U.S.? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: So many of us spend our lives sinking all of
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Speaker 1: our love, all of our energy, all of our emotions,
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Speaker 1: all of our money for sure into raising our children,
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Speaker 1: sacrificing trying to do what we think is best, agonizing
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Speaker 1: over the best thing. Well what if you save and
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Speaker 1: you scrape your whole life to get your son or
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Speaker 1: daughter into an Ivy League school and they finally make it.
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Speaker 1: Not just for the undergrad for a graduate degree. I
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Speaker 1: mean where I came from on a red dirt road
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Speaker 1: in middle Georgia. A graduate degree from an Ivy League school,
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's the golden ticket, right Not in this case,
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Speaker 1: this young grad student shot dead in the shadows of
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Speaker 1: Yale University. And guess what else, nice flash? His killer
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Speaker 1: has fled and Steele has not been apprehended. And I
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Speaker 1: want to know why, how did this guy slip through
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Speaker 1: our fingers? I heard a gunshot, a woman's scream, several
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Speaker 1: shots after that. A neighbor recalls the harrowing details of
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Speaker 1: what occurred at the corner of Lawrence and Nicole Street
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Speaker 1: at eight thirty Saturday night. Waited about a minute, came
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Speaker 1: out and saw the bodyline there. The decease has been
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Speaker 1: identified as twenty six year old Kevin Giongg of West Haven,
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Speaker 1: Yo University confirms he was a graduate student in their
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Speaker 1: School of Environment. He was a member of the class
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Speaker 1: of twenty twenty two. Multiple witnesses confirmed hearing between three
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Speaker 1: to six shots. I'm still shaking up about it. All night.
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Speaker 1: We were all disbelief, the entire Yale community in many
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Speaker 1: groups and organizations. Jong was a part of her carrying
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Speaker 1: that disbelief as well. You know, you're hearing our friend Dave,
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Speaker 1: people we see at Fox sixty one, and I'm just
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Speaker 1: trying to imagine what that ear witness as we call
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Speaker 1: them in court, has gone through since hearing the shot,
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Speaker 1: not really knowing what it was exactly, but now putting
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Speaker 1: two and two together to realize he heard the shot
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Speaker 1: that claimed the life of a young grad student. It
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Speaker 1: just when you hear the whole story about how this
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Speaker 1: guy had sacrificed to go to Yale, He had just
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Speaker 1: gotten engaged to his sweetheart, the wedding was set, and
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Speaker 1: now this let me introduce you an all star panel
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Speaker 1: to make sense of it and why the purported shooter
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Speaker 1: has slipped through our fingers with me. Wendy Patrick California prosecutor,
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Speaker 1: author of Red Flags. You can find her at Wendy
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Speaker 1: Patrick PhD dot com. She's a host of Today with
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Speaker 1: doctor Wendy kcb Q San Diego, doctor Jory Kross and
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Speaker 1: police psychologist faculty Saint Leo University. Consultant with the Blue
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Speaker 1: Wall Institute. Author of Operation SOS Practical Recommendations to help
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Speaker 1: stop Officers suicide. Brandt, former US Marshall Service and international investigations.
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Speaker 1: Wow do we need him today? Author of Going Solo,
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Speaker 1: The Gospel of Luke and Solo Journey Buddha Knights on Amazon.
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Speaker 1: You can find him at IRV Brandt, b A B
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Speaker 1: R A NDT dot com. Doctor Tim Gallagher the medical
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Speaker 1: examiner for the entire state of Florida. You know you
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Speaker 1: hear of medical examiners in this county or that county.
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Speaker 1: He has been named the medical Examiner for Florida and
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Speaker 1: no lack of business there. You can find him at
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Speaker 1: pathcaremed dot com. But first to Alexis trez Chuck Crime
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Speaker 1: Online dot com investigative reporter, also with lead Stories at
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Speaker 1: dot com. Alexis, I remember exactly when this happened, and
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Speaker 1: I couldn't believe on that snowy day. This guy, a
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Speaker 1: grad student, descrubbed in sunshine, never done anything wrong, helping
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Speaker 1: the environment, had been in the military, never complained even
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Speaker 1: I think, moved his mom to his location when they
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Speaker 1: couldn't support two households, to economize, to save money so
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Speaker 1: he could go to Yale. Just gets engaged and then bam,
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Speaker 1: he's dead. And it was the dead of winter, so
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Speaker 1: it was a super snowy night. So if you can imagine,
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Speaker 1: you know, when it has snowed, is so quiet outside.
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Speaker 1: It is a Saturday night, it's not late a thirty
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Speaker 1: at night, all of a sudden shots ring out in
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Speaker 1: the favorite shots you know. You think the first one
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Speaker 1: you think, oh no, you know, carback fired or something,
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Speaker 1: maybe teenagers are sitting on fire. But then there were
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Speaker 1: rapid shots, you know, very quickly after that, and the
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Speaker 1: neighbors rushed scared. Of course, you don't want to run
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Speaker 1: outside of your house and being shot by bullets. But
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Speaker 1: then you hear something and you worry about somebody. So
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Speaker 1: the neighbors ran out and see this man's body lying
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Speaker 1: there in the street. And you were right. He was everything.
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Speaker 1: He took care of his mom, he had her move
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Speaker 1: all the way across the country in with him. He
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Speaker 1: was a graduate student at Yale. He was about he's
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Speaker 1: going to graduate next year. He had just gotten engaged
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Speaker 1: the week before, proposed to his girlfriend. Put the pictures
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Speaker 1: on Facebook. He's down on one knee, she says. Yes.
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Speaker 1: He was a member of his church, very active in
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Speaker 1: his church. The minister said that he was always there,
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Speaker 1: always involved, and with the fiance too, and everybody was
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Speaker 1: done by this. How could this crime have happened in Yeah, hey,
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Speaker 1: Alexis at the beginning because he was so involved. I
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Speaker 1: believe it was Trinity Baptist Church and he was shot
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Speaker 1: just not too far at all from the church. He
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Speaker 1: had actually worked in the soup kitchen and gone out
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Speaker 1: into neighborhoods to feed the homeless. And at first, of
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Speaker 1: course the homeless were blamed and people thought somehow it's
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Speaker 1: connected to that. But that's not what I think at all.
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Speaker 1: I want to go to IRV brand from a US
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Speaker 1: Marshall service. When I hear a gunshot, I know it's
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Speaker 1: a gunshot because I've heard so many. There's a certain
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Speaker 1: crack to it that's different from a firework or a
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Speaker 1: car backfiring. But I think a lot of people hear
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Speaker 1: it and they want to believe it's a firework or
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Speaker 1: a car back firing. They don't really, their mind doesn't
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Speaker 1: can't wrap around the fact that is a gunshot. That's correct.
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Speaker 1: I mean most people will try to make something up
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Speaker 1: in their mind because gunshots are scary. Says it's a
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Speaker 1: car backfire, it's firework, it's trash cans banging down. That's
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Speaker 1: not uncommon at all. You know what I think about
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Speaker 1: that too, Doctor Jorry Crows in psychologist faculty at Saint Leo.
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Speaker 1: I think that it's not really in most people's realm
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Speaker 1: of normality, of normalcy. You don't expect to hear gunshots
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Speaker 1: firing out, ringing out on a snowy evening right outside
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Speaker 1: your door. So your mind goes to what is normal
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Speaker 1: for you and you quickly will try to associate that sound.
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Speaker 1: But once the reality sets in that that's a gunshot,
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Speaker 1: then the survival mode starts to kick in and you
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Speaker 1: notice there was a time delay. This guy waited before
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Speaker 1: he investigated it further, and then he saw the body.
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Speaker 1: You know what a nightmare. I remember one of the
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Speaker 1: first things I moved, Doctor Jorry Crows into La took
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Speaker 1: my whole family with me. My husband went along with
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Speaker 1: it to compete and dancing with stars. We went into
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Speaker 1: this little bitty Hartmar I mean really small. The first
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Speaker 1: thing I did I walked through it to find out
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Speaker 1: where the twins, my children are going to sleep. I
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Speaker 1: looked out the window and there was a dead body
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Speaker 1: right right right out the window and in la at
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Speaker 1: a red light, but it was on the grass and
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Speaker 1: they were putting up yellow crime scene tape and the
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Speaker 1: children right now, I'm like, hey, let's go look at
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Speaker 1: the other bedroom. You don't expect to see that. These
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Speaker 1: people did not expect to hear gunshots fired ringing out
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Speaker 1: right outside their door, and they go out and there
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Speaker 1: is a dead body. Now, I was used to dead
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Speaker 1: bodies from being in the DA's office, but it's a
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Speaker 1: shot to most people to look out and see a
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Speaker 1: dead body. Climb Stories with Nancy Grace. We are talking
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Speaker 1: about the death of a twenty six year old grass
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Speaker 1: student at Yale. His mom and he had scraped for
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Speaker 1: years to get him into Yale grad school and afford it.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's over fifty sixty between fifty and sixty
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Speaker 1: grand a year to what gets shot down out in
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Speaker 1: the street. Take a listen to this. Our friends at
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Speaker 1: Fox sixty one. Police say they received multiple nine one
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Speaker 1: one reporting gunfire and a person shot in the area
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Speaker 1: of Nash Street and Lauren Street. The victim twenty six
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Speaker 1: year old Kevin Jiang. He was shot multiple times and
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Speaker 1: died on scene, according to police, shot multiple times. Now
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Speaker 1: right there, to Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, author of Red
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Speaker 1: Flags on Amazon, host of Today with Doctor Wendy k
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Speaker 1: c BQ San Diego, right there, Wendy, right there, you
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Speaker 1: got intent, you know, intent, premeditation, intend to do the
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Speaker 1: crime can be formed in the blink of an eye
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Speaker 1: the time it takes you to raise a gun and
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Speaker 1: pull the trigger. But multiple gunshots tells me a lot,
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Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick, that's right, man. I see multiple gunshots, especially
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Speaker 1: close together, almost speaks to some sort of rage, not
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Speaker 1: necessarily road rage. It doesn't really seem like you can
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Speaker 1: put those two things together just yet. But dunderlow and
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Speaker 1: somebody willing to actually shoot somebody multiple times or obviously
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Speaker 1: there's going to be people hearing it, And just by
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Speaker 1: the nature of the fact that so many people called
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Speaker 1: nine one, you know that in and of itself is
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Speaker 1: a sign of the times that so many people are
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Speaker 1: actually hear witnesses thought I think I did hear a
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Speaker 1: gunshot and make this call really speaks to the emotion
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Speaker 1: that was likely involved, which might make you believe these
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Speaker 1: two people knew each other. And now the bitter pill,
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Speaker 1: the sour icing on top of the poisonous cake. Has
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Speaker 1: the shooter escaped the country sneaking out right under our noses? Guys,
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Speaker 1: how did the victim, Kevin Jang get lured out of
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Speaker 1: his car? Take a listen to our fray antony a
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Speaker 1: yellow CBS two. A sense of shock and sadness has
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Speaker 1: settled on the Yale University community after the Saturday night
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Speaker 1: shooting death of grad student Kevin Gia. I don't have
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Speaker 1: a memory of him where he wasn't smiling and happy,
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Speaker 1: and even if you didn't agree with all of his views,
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Speaker 1: he was more than happy to be your best friend.
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Speaker 1: Eight thirty Saturday night, residents in the East Rock neighborhood
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Speaker 1: heard the distinct sound of gunfire. One man spoke to
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Speaker 1: me off camera, I heard like around seven rapid gunshots.
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Speaker 1: Like I turned the lights off because I was scared.
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Speaker 1: Police say someone shot jiang multiple times. He was found
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Speaker 1: near his car, which had rear end damage. One possible
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Speaker 1: mode of least. We're exploring violent escalation after a road
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Speaker 1: rage incident. We're exploring every possibility, including whether or not
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Speaker 1: there was an accident that precipitated this incident, whether or
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Speaker 1: not it was a road rage. We do have very
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Speaker 1: specific leads that we're exploring, or we're not ruling anything
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Speaker 1: out at this time. Well, there's a lead right there.
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Speaker 1: The paint from the victim's car has got to be
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Speaker 1: on the front of somebody else's car because there was
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Speaker 1: a rear ender, and according to what we know, the
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Speaker 1: victim's car had not been damaged before this incident. Was
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Speaker 1: in an accident or was it an intentional rear ending
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Speaker 1: to get Kevin out of his car and then shoot
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Speaker 1: him dead, leaving him there to bleed out? Let me
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Speaker 1: go to doctor Tim Gallagher, medical examiner for the State
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Speaker 1: of Florida. You can find it at pathcaremd dot com.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Gallagher shot multiple times? How long would it take
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Speaker 1: him to lie there in the snow on the street
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Speaker 1: and bleed out? Oh? Good question. It would depend where
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Speaker 1: he was shot. Should he have been shot in the heart,
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Speaker 1: it would probably take less than thirty seconds to him
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Speaker 1: to bleed out, and if he was shot in the lungs,
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Speaker 1: probably about a minute minute and a half more than likely.
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Speaker 1: Or if he were shot in the brain, if it
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Speaker 1: was a headshot, he would have died instantly. So it
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Speaker 1: would depend on where those bullets struck him, what part
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Speaker 1: of the body was bleeding, and then the caliber of
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Speaker 1: the weapon. So but for the most part, you know,
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Speaker 1: probably not more than a minute or so. You know,
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Speaker 1: it may be a minute. But lying there in the snow,
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Speaker 1: knowing you're bleeding out dead one week after you propose marriage,
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Speaker 1: he had to think about his mother back in their apartment,
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Speaker 1: all she had sacrificed to help him, his future bride,
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Speaker 1: his dreams, What flashed through his mind as he lay
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Speaker 1: there dying. Take a listen to this. I'll always remember
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Speaker 1: him as being a very just, welcoming and wholesome individual,
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Speaker 1: and he was very proud to be a part of
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Speaker 1: the community. Jiang was a grand student at the Yale
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Speaker 1: School of Environment, The school holding a virtual vigil for
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Speaker 1: Jiang Monday night, his parents both in attendance. He gave
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Speaker 1: me a lot of a joy, Nutty thought the ful
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Speaker 1: woman boy picking cuff me and I missed him. Hath
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Speaker 1: you all said, he's a very very charming we're friend
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Speaker 1: of me. Jiang served in the US Army National Guard.
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Speaker 1: During the vigil, those who served beside him sharing memories.
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Speaker 1: Everyone who met him said that he was so so
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Speaker 1: they called him Gidjang because he was so energetic all
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Speaker 1: the time. Jiang was a few days away from celebrating
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Speaker 1: his twenty seventh birthday, and he proposed to his fyance
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Speaker 1: Zeon Perry just last week, Perry sharing a statement reading,
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Speaker 1: in part, Kevin was and is a gift from God.
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Speaker 1: Life is so precious and short, and I am so
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Speaker 1: thankful that God brought us together. You're hearing our friends
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Speaker 1: at Fox sixty one there. You know, alexis terrest shut.
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Speaker 1: You have a little boy, and I bet you already
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Speaker 1: have a college fund right yes, from the day with
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Speaker 1: people know day one, I remember I was talking the twins,
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Speaker 1: you know, when I was pregnant. I tried to set
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Speaker 1: up a college fund for them. I mean, you spend
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Speaker 1: your whole life trying to just advance him a little
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Speaker 1: bit further, help them, you know, through their life. And Alex,
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Speaker 1: I remember when I got into marcial law school. My
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Speaker 1: father cried, and then when I got into NYU, it's
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Speaker 1: like we couldn't believe it. And I'm just thinking about
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Speaker 1: what this mom went through to help her son, and
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Speaker 1: of course he was helping her live and then this
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Speaker 1: there's so many forensic issues to earth. Brand US Marshal Service,
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Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about the fact that
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Speaker 1: the paint from the back of his car had to
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Speaker 1: be on another vehicle somewhere, the bullets that were fired
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Speaker 1: with a multiple gunshot wound homicide, there has to be
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Speaker 1: in a quick getaway. There has to be bullets cartridge
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Speaker 1: cartridge cases from which we can get tool mark data,
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Speaker 1: which will tell us everything we need to know about
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Speaker 1: the gun. Then the bullets and the cartridges need to
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Speaker 1: be run through NISI, the National Integrated Ballistics tool Marking.
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Speaker 1: I mean, there's so much evidence to gain from the scene. Earv. Nancy,
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Speaker 1: bullet casings, the bullets themselves, the rifling on the bullets,
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Speaker 1: the paint from the cars. All these things factor and
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Speaker 1: that's where law enforcement develops their leads that will eventually
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Speaker 1: lead to his capture. And of course, absolutely in the
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Speaker 1: court case, at the beginning, we are thinking that this
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Speaker 1: was a road rage incident. But take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our cut number four Tony Jersey with Fox. Kevin's Young's
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Speaker 1: Facebook page biography was poignant, life is a gift. I
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Speaker 1: am so thankful for so the community is grieving right now.
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Speaker 1: This is a loss of an extraordinary young man. At
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Speaker 1: approximately eight thirty pm on Saturday, officers responded after receiving
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Speaker 1: numerous nine one one calls of gunshots which occurred here
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Speaker 1: in the area of Lawrence and Nickel Streets in Newhaven.
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Speaker 1: Kevin pronounced dead on scene. His identity was confirmed to
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Speaker 1: be a resident of West Haven, twenty six years old,
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Speaker 1: and he was a graduate student attending the Yale School
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Speaker 1: of Environment. Police won't say much about the case, including
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Speaker 1: why Jiang, who had just proposed to his fiancee a
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Speaker 1: week before he was killed, was in the East Rock neighborhood.
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Speaker 1: We have developed information suggesting that this incident may not
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Speaker 1: have been an actual random act, that he in fact
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Speaker 1: was targeted. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. You know I
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Speaker 1: always say to you, Alexis Terrez Chuck crime online dot
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Speaker 1: Com that there is no coincidence in criminal law. I
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Speaker 1: was immediately struck with the fact that he gets engaged
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Speaker 1: and it gets posted on Facebook. Then within days his
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Speaker 1: gun down dead and a seemingly random attack. And it
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Speaker 1: turns out to me not so random exactly. It was
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Speaker 1: not just a coincidence. This wasn't well, it doesn't seem
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Speaker 1: right now like it was just row rage. It seems
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Speaker 1: like there was another man. The man who shot him
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Speaker 1: allegedly knew his fiance. This is a man named Kim
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Speaker 1: Shun Pan. He attended MIT Jangs Beyonce also attended MIT.
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Speaker 1: There were pictures of them that surfaced up together just
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Speaker 1: a few years ago at a damp so he knew
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Speaker 1: his fiance. He is the man who has been identified
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Speaker 1: as a suspect. The thing was, there was almost like
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Speaker 1: a cat and mouse game in New Haven. Police had
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Speaker 1: heard that this man was at the Arby's, which is
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Speaker 1: a fous food restaurant. So they go to the Arby's.
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Speaker 1: They're searching all around the Arby's. They had metal detectors.
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Speaker 1: I think they were looking for the gun there. Then
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Speaker 1: Pan had checked into a hotel, so they went to
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Speaker 1: the hotel. The hotel manager said, you know, we don't
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Speaker 1: even think that he spent the night here. He checked in.
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Speaker 1: They traced it through his credit cards. Also, then they
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Speaker 1: realized that he had been going to car dealerships trying
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Speaker 1: to buy cars, but with very suspect He wanted you
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Speaker 1: to take the cars and have his mechanic check out,
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Speaker 1: which is fine, but the police just thought it was strange,
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Speaker 1: and then they announced that he was suspected in stealing
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Speaker 1: several cars. So he had this whole time in New
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Speaker 1: Haven where the police were just about to get him
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Speaker 1: and missed him. They were just really one step behind
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Speaker 1: him in this investigation. But he has a solid connection
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Speaker 1: to the victim and the victim's fiance, which is so
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Speaker 1: scary and so sad to think that perhaps and somebody
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Speaker 1: right killed this guy and lot look it very clear.
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Speaker 1: There was no suggestion that the victim's fiance was having
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Speaker 1: any secret romance with the shooter. If anything, I think
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Speaker 1: the shooter was obsessed with her and angered by the engagement.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our new cut thirteen our friends
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Speaker 1: at w FSB three. The crime has shocked the Yale
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Speaker 1: community and the East Rock neighborhood where the shooting happened.
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Speaker 1: This is twenty nine year old ching Chuan Pon, an
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Speaker 1: MIT graduate, who is wanted for questioning in the killing
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Speaker 1: of a Yale grad student, Kevin Jong. New Haven police
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Speaker 1: say Saturday night, the twenty six year old student was
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Speaker 1: shot multiple times near the corner of Lawrence and Nash
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Speaker 1: following a car crash. Police say Pond, who still lives
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Speaker 1: in the Boston area, has a warrant out for his
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Speaker 1: arrest for allegedly stealing a car in Massachusetts. Why he
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Speaker 1: came to Connecticut is still being investigated, but New Haven
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Speaker 1: police say Pond was found by North Haven police after
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Speaker 1: the homicide Saturday night. They are not saying why they
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Speaker 1: were called, but did say police were not aware of
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Speaker 1: Pond's possible connection to the shooting. We're piecing all of
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Speaker 1: those things together. We're exploring, you know, every aspect of
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Speaker 1: his travel to and from and and since so this
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Speaker 1: guy Pawn comes from Boston and what we think maybe
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Speaker 1: a stolen car finds the victim, twenty six year old
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Speaker 1: Kevin Jang just got engaged grad steed it and guns
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Speaker 1: him down. Now, let me understand something, Alexis terres Shut
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Speaker 1: police actually had Pawn and their hands and let him go.
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Speaker 1: They did. They had not connected him to the murder
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Speaker 1: yet he was they had, I believe because of one
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Speaker 1: of the cars, maybe it was broken down or something.
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Speaker 1: They were talking with him, but they didn't know that.
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Speaker 1: You wish you know an hour of brand former US
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Speaker 1: Marshall Service International Investigations. Does that just break your heart
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Speaker 1: and make you angry at the same time without a doubt.
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Speaker 1: To have the suspect to be talking to the suspect
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Speaker 1: than to later learn that was your suspect is crushing.
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Speaker 1: And you know that's how so many perps are caught.
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Speaker 1: I mean, think about the Oklahoma City bombing. Timothy McVeigh.
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Speaker 1: He got pulled over because I think it was a
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Speaker 1: turn signal on the back of his car and he
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Speaker 1: had just bombed the Murrah building. So here this guy
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Speaker 1: gets pulled over for something to do with his car
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Speaker 1: and they let him go. What do we know about pawn?
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut fourteen. This is will
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Speaker 1: read at ABC. Listen this morning an urgent manhunt for
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Speaker 1: a person of interest in the fatal shooting of Yale
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Speaker 1: graduate student Kevin jung Us. Marshalls now joining the search
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Speaker 1: for this man, twenty nine year old King Swan Pond,
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Speaker 1: offering a five thousand dollar reward for information leading to
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Speaker 1: his location and arrest. Police say Pond was last seen
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Speaker 1: yesterday driving family members near Atlanta. According to family, Pond
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Speaker 1: was carrying a black backpack and acting strange. Mister Pond
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Speaker 1: should be considered armed and dangerous. Stream caution should be
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Speaker 1: used if you come in contact with this individual. Jeng
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Speaker 1: was shot multiple times and found lying outside of his
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Speaker 1: car Saturday night in New Haven, Connecticut. Investigators say Pon
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Speaker 1: was in the area at the time of the shooting. Jung,
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Speaker 1: a twenty six year old Army veteran, was recently engaged
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Speaker 1: to be married. His fiance graduated from MT just last year.
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Speaker 1: Pon is currently enrolled at MT as a grad student.
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Speaker 1: Authorities have not yet confirmed if Pon knows the victim
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Speaker 1: or his fiance. We are exploring every angle related to
24:35
Speaker 1: this investigation and related to every person involved, the victim,
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Speaker 1: his fiance, his extended family, and to include the suspect.
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Speaker 1: Who are the person of interest? How we've identified here
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Speaker 1: before you guys, it's as clear as a nose on
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Speaker 1: your face, as guys at a stolen car comes all
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Speaker 1: the way from Boston, and now we know exactly how
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Speaker 1: cops came contact with Pond. But let him go take
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Speaker 1: a listen to Tony Jersey Fox sixty one. Sources have
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Speaker 1: told Fox sixty one over the past few days that
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Speaker 1: north Haven Police when they encountered Pond within an hour
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Speaker 1: after that murder last Saturday night, because he was stuck
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Speaker 1: on some train tracks at the Simms Metal business. The
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Speaker 1: sources have told me that north Haven police could have
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Speaker 1: had him in custody. They said it was clear that
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Speaker 1: the man was under the influence of alcohol, and that
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Speaker 1: north Haven Police didn't run the plates on the car. Well,
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Speaker 1: Chief Kevin Glenn told me today he's the north Haven chief,
25:45
Speaker 1: that's not true. There was no reason to run a breathalyzer,
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Speaker 1: a field sobriety test, and we did check his license,
25:53
Speaker 1: We did run the plates on the car, and it
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Speaker 1: wasn't until several hours later that the car came back stolen.
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Speaker 1: You know what, I find that really hard to believe
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Speaker 1: that the car had not been reported stolen. You know,
26:06
Speaker 1: that's what those devices are in police cars. They are
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Speaker 1: constantly running tags and APB at all points, bulletins, bolos,
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Speaker 1: be on the lookouts and it comes over their radio constantly.
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Speaker 1: Their police being radio. All you have to do, correct
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Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong, help me out, Wendy Patrick, California Prosecutor.
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Speaker 1: You enter the plights in and then it poss back
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Speaker 1: stolen not stolen. Yeah, that's one of the questions that
26:34
Speaker 1: is outstanding with cases like this, where you do have
26:37
Speaker 1: somebody in your clutches in your grass. There would have
26:39
Speaker 1: been a reason to detain this person, which probably would
26:42
Speaker 1: have led to and arrest, but that wasn't done. Now,
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Speaker 1: was there a problem with the equipment? You don't answer you,
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Speaker 1: And I've seen that in so many function trying to
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Speaker 1: give everybody the benefit of the doubt, because Wendy comes. Wendy,
26:56
Speaker 1: I know you're being radio started out, but if you'll recall,
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Speaker 1: a reasonable doubt is a doubt founded in reason, not
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Speaker 1: a possible doubt such as little Green Men from Mars
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Speaker 1: being down and did the shooting. Yeah, that's possible, but
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Speaker 1: not probable. And you're telling me it's possible the police
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Speaker 1: being radio didn't work in malfunction on that particular moment
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Speaker 1: when the guy's straddling some train tracks. Yeah, I'm not
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Speaker 1: buying that. Hard to find out. It's hard to think
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Speaker 1: of another reason why they wouldn't have had those results
27:31
Speaker 1: right away, because that's exactly what happens. You're behind somebody
27:35
Speaker 1: and you run a plate and you get a result,
27:36
Speaker 1: and that's why many people are pulled over to begin with.
27:39
Speaker 1: Bottom line, he slips away, not only from the North
27:45
Speaker 1: Haven police who are trying to play a game of
27:47
Speaker 1: see why a but this guy slowed the country according
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Speaker 1: on information, we have received crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: How in the hey did the shooter of this twenty
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Speaker 1: six year old grad student just engaged worked his whole
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Speaker 1: life to get into Yale grad school. How has the
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Speaker 1: shooter slipped away? That's the big question. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our cut twenty two. This is Erica Arius Fox
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Speaker 1: sixty one. US Marshals have now secured an international warrant
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Speaker 1: for the man wanted from the death of a Yale
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Speaker 1: grad student, Kevin Jang was killed two months ago, back
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Speaker 1: on February of six and now that we know, US
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Speaker 1: marshals have secured an Interpol red notice for this man here,
28:44
Speaker 1: twenty nine year old Chin Shuan Pond. Now he initially
28:48
Speaker 1: was just a person of interest in the case, but
28:49
Speaker 1: he is now a suspect and we're told he will
28:52
Speaker 1: be charged with murder once he's tracked down. It's unclear
28:56
Speaker 1: if investigators are sure he's out of the country or
28:58
Speaker 1: where he may be heading. He is from China. Potter
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Speaker 1: was last seen less than a week after Jung's death
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Speaker 1: in Georgia. So he makes it out of the Yale
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Speaker 1: University campus area. He makes it all the way to
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Speaker 1: Atlanta without being detected, and now God only knows where,
29:19
Speaker 1: so IRV. Brandt, former US Marshall Service International investigations, how
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Speaker 1: the hey did he get out of the area and
29:26
Speaker 1: make it all the way to Atlanta. The Marshall Service
29:31
Speaker 1: was obviously tracking him, and they had him information that
29:37
Speaker 1: he was in Brookhaven, which is metro Atlanta at the
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Speaker 1: Cobb County. I know this because I began my law
29:45
Speaker 1: enforcement career as an Atlanta police officer, so I'm familiar
29:48
Speaker 1: with Brookhaven, Fulton County, near the swanky shopping area of
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Speaker 1: Lenox and Phipps Plaza where a lot of rich people
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Speaker 1: live there. It's about a thirty minute drive to the airport.
30:03
Speaker 1: You can get there by a Marta train. All he
30:06
Speaker 1: had to do was get to Atlanta with a fake
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Speaker 1: ID and hop on a train to Hartsville International and
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Speaker 1: he's gone. Doesn't even need a fake ID. I mean
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Speaker 1: he can have the passport in his in his own name.
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Speaker 1: They don't check you outbound. They only run you when
30:25
Speaker 1: you come into the country, not when you're leaving the country.
30:28
Speaker 1: That's a good point. So he could have left for
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Speaker 1: anywhere in the world. That's why the Marshall Service issued
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Speaker 1: a red notice through Interpol. It'll go out all ninety
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Speaker 1: four member countries. Well why wasn't it flagged at the airport?
30:48
Speaker 1: I mean he didn't vote to China. He had to
30:50
Speaker 1: get out on a plane. Well, I mean, why do
30:53
Speaker 1: I get shit everything but a cavity search. And with
30:58
Speaker 1: my eighty nine year old mother, they check her out
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Speaker 1: like she's an international terrorist in a wheelchair. But this
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Speaker 1: guy wanted by Interpol gets through and gets on a plane.
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Speaker 1: That's because when when they check you, they don't run.
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Speaker 1: They don't run you through NCIC for warrants when you're
31:21
Speaker 1: leaving the country. They only do that. They run the
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Speaker 1: manifest when a plane is coming from outside of the
31:29
Speaker 1: country into our country. And that's when they run everyone
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Speaker 1: on the manifest through CHEXS and NCIIC to see if
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Speaker 1: they're legally entering the country, if they're wanted for any
31:43
Speaker 1: crimes in this country or outside of this country. But
31:47
Speaker 1: when you leave this country, they don't do that. You
31:52
Speaker 1: could you could have multiple murder warrants from multiple states,
31:56
Speaker 1: and if you go to the Delta counter Delta does
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Speaker 1: not on you. NCIC, it would not know that you
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Speaker 1: were one of for murder when you got on that plane.
32:08
Speaker 1: You know, when I'm talking to our guests, particularly or
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Speaker 1: Brandt from a US Marshall's Service International Investigations, it sounds
32:17
Speaker 1: I think of Jason Bourne, I think of Mission Impossible,
32:23
Speaker 1: all the spy maties. Yeah, it's not like that at all.
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Speaker 1: It's pretty His getaway was pretty amateur. I don't know
32:31
Speaker 1: how this guy pulled it off. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our cut eighteen. Tony Turzy Fox sixty one, Georgia safely
32:38
Speaker 1: said the US Marshalls some interview family members. They were
32:44
Speaker 1: traveler Norris means Massachusetts. He says one family member was cooperative,
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Speaker 1: but the other wasn't and neither would say where pond was.
32:53
Speaker 1: We had numerous boots on the ground, and you know,
32:56
Speaker 1: we're looking forward to apprehended mister Mannon sourcers Old Fox
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Speaker 1: sixty one pawn returned to his Malden, Massachusetts home, after
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Speaker 1: leaving Connecticut late Saturday and picked up his mother and
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Speaker 1: father with all three high tailing it. That's not a
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Speaker 1: sophisticated getaway. You go back home, you leave one state,
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Speaker 1: go to the other and pick up your mother and
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Speaker 1: father and quote high tallet. How can a grown man
33:26
Speaker 1: with his elderly mother and father high tilt anywhere. It
33:29
Speaker 1: takes me twenty minutes to get my mom in the
33:31
Speaker 1: car to go to the grocery store. So how does
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Speaker 1: that happen? I don't get it, ear of Brandt. I'm
33:36
Speaker 1: not coming out down on you. You're just the messenger
33:40
Speaker 1: US Marshal Service International Investigations. We got a guy, a
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Speaker 1: killer with his elderly mother and father who quote high
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Speaker 1: tail it and drive I guess down to Atlanta to
33:55
Speaker 1: hop a plane. How did I mean? This is no big,
34:03
Speaker 1: big country, lots of cars. Atlanta Hartsfield International is a
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Speaker 1: huge airport, lots of counters, thousands of international flights. A
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Speaker 1: neetle in a haystack unless you have specific information, Unless
34:18
Speaker 1: you develop specific information that this person is going to
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Speaker 1: get on American Airlines flight seven h seven for a
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Speaker 1: destination or something like that. But to be working on
34:34
Speaker 1: just vague information. You know this direction, you know, maybe
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Speaker 1: heading and you know down High seventy five or eighty
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Speaker 1: five in the direction of Atlanta. Could have stopped anywhere
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Speaker 1: in between, could have used any airports in between, don't
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Speaker 1: have to be Atlanta. Hartsfield. Could have kept going to Jacksonville,
34:56
Speaker 1: you know, maybe took the flight out of Jacksonville. No way,
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Speaker 1: no way to know unless you've had some kind of
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Speaker 1: information from a witness or maybe a family member or
35:11
Speaker 1: an associated telling you you know, this is what he plans. Well,
35:16
Speaker 1: you know what, doctor Jorry crows In police psychologist. I'm
35:21
Speaker 1: giving a law enforcement a hard time. But or Brandt
35:23
Speaker 1: with US Marshall Service, Former International Investigations is right. How
35:28
Speaker 1: do you how does the US marshal or cop go
35:31
Speaker 1: out on the interstate and figure out where this guy is.
35:35
Speaker 1: He's not in his own vehicle. We know that, we
35:37
Speaker 1: don't know what vehicles he is in. And if you
35:40
Speaker 1: see him acting old, mild mannered with his elderly mother
35:45
Speaker 1: and father in the car, that's it sounds more like
35:47
Speaker 1: the Apple Dumpling Gang than anything else. So well, our
35:51
Speaker 1: brand is actually right. Yeah, and I see him really
35:55
Speaker 1: being highly organized. I mean it looks like there were
35:59
Speaker 1: maybe a lot of lucky opportunities he took advantage of.
36:03
Speaker 1: But you know, the simple fact that he maintained composure
36:07
Speaker 1: when being you know, interviewed with that car accident on
36:11
Speaker 1: a railroad tracks, you know, and then his ability to
36:15
Speaker 1: you know, dump that phone. I don't think he's got
36:18
Speaker 1: his phone because they're going to be doing a geo
36:21
Speaker 1: fencing of that whole area. Uh so, you know, they're
36:25
Speaker 1: not going to track him electronically, and he's basically hiding
36:29
Speaker 1: in plain sight because like you know, Brand was saying that,
36:33
Speaker 1: you know, there's thousands of people that go through there,
36:37
Speaker 1: and if they were to start checking everyone, you could imagine, Hey,
36:41
Speaker 1: that would cause yeah, you're right, You're right, don't have
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Speaker 1: the ability. They're not authorized under law to access the
36:48
Speaker 1: NCIC system. You know what, You're absolutely right. I am
36:53
Speaker 1: agreeing that you, doctor Jerry Crawsen and R. Brand are correct.
36:58
Speaker 1: So Tim gall doctor Tim Gallagher, Medical exam for the
37:02
Speaker 1: State of Florida. If by chance, this guy quin Jam
37:09
Speaker 1: Pawn had been injured in the altercation, I wonder if
37:15
Speaker 1: that would have stopped anyone along the way, for instance,
37:19
Speaker 1: at the airport. I guess not it have to be
37:22
Speaker 1: a severe injury. Oh, certainly would raise suspicion. You know,
37:27
Speaker 1: if he was pulled over and a officer noticed that
37:30
Speaker 1: he was bleeding, or he was leading, or there was
37:32
Speaker 1: another trail of blood leaving leaving the incident, that would
37:36
Speaker 1: certainly be able to be collected his DNA process and
37:39
Speaker 1: that used to help support the argument in the court
37:43
Speaker 1: if he has ever brought to justice. We now believe
37:46
Speaker 1: Alexis terresta at crime online dot Com that he has
37:49
Speaker 1: fled the country. Why because the US Marshals have asked interpoll,
37:53
Speaker 1: which is an international police organization, to issue a warrant
37:57
Speaker 1: for his arrest. They weren't all at as as mister
38:01
Speaker 1: Brandt said that they want to put an alert out
38:05
Speaker 1: to all one hundred and ninety four member country to
38:08
Speaker 1: let them know to look for this man if they
38:09
Speaker 1: see him, if he is in an airport, if he
38:12
Speaker 1: is somewhere, if he is arrested for a minor infraction somewhere,
38:15
Speaker 1: to know that he is wanted by the United States,
38:18
Speaker 1: by the US Marshals, and that they should arrest him
38:20
Speaker 1: on the spot. They will work out extradition or anything
38:24
Speaker 1: else afterwards. But to know that he is a dangerous criminal,
38:27
Speaker 1: he suspected of murder, and that they should be careful
38:31
Speaker 1: but arrest him immediately if they find him. He is,
38:36
Speaker 1: And so I hold it right there when the patch
38:38
Speaker 1: it You really think China is going to help us.
38:41
Speaker 1: That's not going to happen. Well, you know, one of
38:43
Speaker 1: the one of the things about this bulletin is that
38:45
Speaker 1: people are warned not to try to apprehend them themselves
38:48
Speaker 1: because he's considered armed and dangerous. So we really hope
38:51
Speaker 1: for the cooperation of the respective law enforced and agencies
38:54
Speaker 1: and doing what they need to do, and that people
38:56
Speaker 1: keep their eyes and ears open for this man. It's true,
38:59
Speaker 1: we don't know, we don't know where he is, but
39:01
Speaker 1: we do know that people live with a heightened state
39:03
Speaker 1: of awareness. Sadly we all do nowadays. Or doctor joy
39:08
Speaker 1: jumping in, Yeah, one thing I would I'll go out
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Speaker 1: on a limb here, but I would be highly suspicious
39:16
Speaker 1: that he would suicide when getting confronted. If he does
39:20
Speaker 1: get confronted at some point in time, I would imagine
39:23
Speaker 1: that his culture, his background, everything, I would highly be
39:28
Speaker 1: suspicious that he would take his own life. If you
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Speaker 1: have information, please call two zero three nine four six
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Speaker 1: six two nine six or better yet US Marshals eight
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Speaker 1: seven seven nine two six eight three three two. We
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Speaker 1: wait as justice on false Nancy Grace comes story, signing
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Speaker 1: off goodbye friend,