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The Late Debate | 29 July · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Welcome late to play.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us. Great to have your company. I'm
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  Speaker 2: James Macpherson with the Nika to Georgio and Caleb Bond,
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  Speaker 2: who we all know is a great horse racing fan.
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  Speaker 2: But I was thinking today I've not heard you mentioned
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  Speaker 2: horse racing for ages. Have you still got some horses.
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  Speaker 1: That you Yeah, I'll have a horse running at Flemington
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  Speaker 1: on Saturday, all things going well, Samuel Langhorne, I think race.
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  Speaker 3: One, I think at Flemington on Saturday, so we'll see
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  Speaker 3: how we go.
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  Speaker 2: Is this in the jumps?
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  Speaker 3: No?
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  Speaker 1: No, no, So they don't have jumps at Flemington anymore.
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  Speaker 1: Once upon a time they had the Cup Day hurdle.
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  Speaker 3: I wish they'd bring that back.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry, this is one of your horses, but this is
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  Speaker 2: one of my horses.
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  Speaker 1: He is headed for the jumps. But he'll be having
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  Speaker 1: a run at Flemington on Saturday. So let's let's see
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  Speaker 1: what we can do.
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  Speaker 3: Eh.
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  Speaker 2: You're horse racing fan, Denick. You'd go for the dress ups,
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't you.
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  Speaker 4: Ah, I've only been to the Melbourne Cup once. I don't.
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  Speaker 4: I don't love it. Sorry, Caleb's being honest.
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  Speaker 3: Well that's I just don't.
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  Speaker 2: I've never been maybe later this year I'll get to
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  Speaker 2: my first horse racing.
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  Speaker 3: Well, well, you went recently and loved it, I thought Randwick.
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  Speaker 4: I went to Randwick for the first time. Look, I
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  Speaker 4: enjoy the day out, But is it something that I'm
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  Speaker 4: going to do on a regular basis? Probably not.
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  Speaker 3: Well, there you go.
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  Speaker 1: We'll see what we can do to convince to We'll
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  Speaker 1: get her out amongst the real people, gener real people,
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  Speaker 1: a little.
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  Speaker 3: Inner city apartment, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Right in the meantime, here's what's coming up on the
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  Speaker 2: program tonight. A Brisbane football has been suspended after smashing
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  Speaker 2: his opponent's head into the turf during an AFL match
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  Speaker 2: at the weekend. But is that enough? Is there not
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  Speaker 2: a place for police to get involved when a tackle
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  Speaker 2: turns into an assault? And would you trust a robot
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  Speaker 2: to organize your next overseas trip? Flight Center is betting
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  Speaker 2: that you will. Plus, New South Wales police sacked for
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  Speaker 2: refusing the COVID JAB have been told they're now welcome back.
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  Speaker 2: But would you really bother? We'll get to all of
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  Speaker 2: that shortly, but first, how long is too long to
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  Speaker 2: be living with mum and Dad? A new study by
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  Speaker 2: AMP has found a marked change in the attitude of
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  Speaker 2: young people when it comes to leaving home. Unlike previous generations,
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  Speaker 2: most young people today don't want to leave, or maybe
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  Speaker 2: they just can't afford to. The study found sixty eight
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  Speaker 2: percent of those age twenty to thirty nine support multi
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  Speaker 2: generational living, but fewer than two in five people aged
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  Speaker 2: sixty five and overdo. I wonder why so. Is this
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  Speaker 2: a failure of ambition on the part of young people
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  Speaker 2: or is it a failure of successive governments who've made
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  Speaker 2: housing unaffordable. I'd argue it's very much the latter. Our
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  Speaker 2: politicians constantly talk about supporting young people, but the only
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  Speaker 2: support program they've created is the one that's always existed.
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  Speaker 2: Mum and dad, what do you think, Denika? How old
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  Speaker 2: were you when you moved out of home?
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  Speaker 4: I was twenty seven years old when I moved to Sydney.
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  Speaker 4: That's when I first moved out of home, and I
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  Speaker 4: loved living at home, I really really did. Obviously, you
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  Speaker 4: can save a lot more money, but if you've got
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  Speaker 4: a good relationship with your parents, and I'm very lucky
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  Speaker 4: that I do, and I know that your boys have
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  Speaker 4: a wonderful relationship with you as well. It's fun, it's great,
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  Speaker 4: and you look forward to seeing your mom and dad
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  Speaker 4: every day. I feel like I was late to move
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  Speaker 4: out of home. I think that by in my opinion,
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  Speaker 4: Aussie standards, twenty seven is quite late. I feel like
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  Speaker 4: we have a culture in this country where people do
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  Speaker 4: move out of home late teens, early twenties. Maybe not
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  Speaker 4: so much now according to this study, because people are
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  Speaker 4: struggling with money and cost of living, so they're trying
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  Speaker 4: to stay home longer. But I think there's a culture
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  Speaker 4: of you move out straight away, and I wonder if
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  Speaker 4: parents are ready to do that, where in Italian households
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  Speaker 4: you stay forever and you stay up until you get married.
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  Speaker 4: That's when you move out, and then when you do
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  Speaker 4: get married, you end up moving right next to mom
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  Speaker 4: and dad. So that's just a real Italian culture. But
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  Speaker 4: look right now, it's very, very difficult to buy your
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  Speaker 4: own place. And yet Labour's been talking to us about
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  Speaker 4: this intergenerational equity, this line that's gone into the never
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  Speaker 4: never now, and so of course more people are moving
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  Speaker 4: back home. They're trying to say as much money as
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  Speaker 4: they can, and I also feel like it probably helps
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  Speaker 4: mom and dad out as well. To pay the bills.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I can tell you I moved out of twenty
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  Speaker 1: one and I was ready to get out of there
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  Speaker 1: by the time I left. You know, surely there comes
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  Speaker 1: a point where you feel like living with your parents
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  Speaker 1: is clipping your wings a little bit, and you want
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  Speaker 1: your own space with the freedom to do what you
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  Speaker 1: want when you want. It's your domain as opposed to
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  Speaker 1: someone else's domain. You don't have to be concerned with,
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  Speaker 1: you know, whether you're disturbing other people in the house.
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  Speaker 1: It's your house. You go find somewhere for you to live.
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  Speaker 1: That is your place that you have to look after.
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  Speaker 1: It gives you a level of responsibility, which I think
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  Speaker 1: is important and is a good thing and something that
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  Speaker 1: is delayed now for a lot of children. They're not children,
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about young adults here, but I think their
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  Speaker 1: childhood gets extended.
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  Speaker 3: A lot longer than it used to because it's now an.
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  Speaker 1: Expectation that you'll go to university and so like, if
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  Speaker 1: you're going to UNI, it is.
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  Speaker 3: Really hard to move out.
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  Speaker 1: So a lot of kids will end up staying at
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  Speaker 1: home until at least twenty four to twenty five, and
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  Speaker 1: then they're finally getting a job but they're not earning
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  Speaker 1: a lot of money, and on and on it goes.
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  Speaker 3: But I could not wait to get out there.
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  Speaker 1: What annoys me, though, is when you see and I
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  Speaker 1: really don't understand it, and have a look at all
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  Speaker 1: the people gallivanting around in Europe at the moment, young
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  Speaker 1: people who are staying at home with mum and dad
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  Speaker 1: so they can raise money to just go and spend it.
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  Speaker 3: Right, what's wrong with me? If you wanted to, if
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  Speaker 3: you wanted to.
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  Speaker 1: Save money to go and buy yourself home, you're putting
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  Speaker 1: together a deposit, which is what I did. As soon
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  Speaker 1: as I had the money to go and buy a unit,
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  Speaker 1: I was out of there. But if you're just staying
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  Speaker 1: at home, you know, enjoying mum and dad's largess so
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  Speaker 1: that you can go and have a gay old time
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  Speaker 1: while they're paying off the mortgage for the house that
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  Speaker 1: you're living in.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think that's terrible.
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  Speaker 4: I don't see what the problem is with that. If
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  Speaker 4: you're contributing to help mom and dad out, if you're
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  Speaker 4: paying for your grocery bills, your cookie, your own meals,
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  Speaker 4: you are contributing to gas and all.
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  Speaker 1: Be honest, that's not really happening in most situations with
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  Speaker 1: a kid.
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  Speaker 4: But how do you know that?
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  Speaker 3: Because I lived at home for a while, My brother
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  Speaker 3: lived at home until very riepent.
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  Speaker 4: In a mum and dad might say, son, you're most
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  Speaker 4: welcome to stay here, no worries. Are you able to
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  Speaker 4: chip in for the groceries every now and then? Please,
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  Speaker 4: because there's you know, we're trying to feed a big
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  Speaker 4: family here we might and you know what, who cares
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  Speaker 4: if they're going to Europe? If I say, you know what,
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  Speaker 4: you're young, go and enjoy your time now, because once
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  Speaker 4: you get a property, it's going to be even harder
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  Speaker 4: to go on galivant around the world.
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  Speaker 1: As you put it, I'd be saying, get the property asap,
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  Speaker 1: because the sooner you getting in the market, the better.
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, you're poking my buttons here, Caleb, because I've
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  Speaker 2: got a son in Europe at the moment, and as
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  Speaker 2: soon as he gets home we'll be talking about upping
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  Speaker 2: the rate of But my boys have both said to me, Dad,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how we're ever going to be able
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  Speaker 2: to move out until we get married, which is not
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  Speaker 2: a bad thing, I suppose, because the cost of housing
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  Speaker 2: in Sydney is just so prohibitive. And I think the
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  Speaker 2: question is not why aren't young people moving out? The
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  Speaker 2: question is why does someone with a full time job
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  Speaker 2: still require parental assistance to survive in the economy that
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  Speaker 2: we've been gifted by successive governments.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, I mean, as I said before, intergenerational equity's
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  Speaker 4: gone down by the never and ever. Rents are going up,
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  Speaker 4: and it has been proven that rents will continue to
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  Speaker 4: increase even with these tax changes as negative gearing and
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  Speaker 4: the other tax change. So it is very, very difficult
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  Speaker 4: unless you want to get a sharehouse. Now, I don't
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  Speaker 4: think a sharehouse is for everybody. The prospect of living
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  Speaker 4: with four or five others sends shivers up my spine,
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  Speaker 4: to be quite honest. Look, a lot of people would
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  Speaker 4: enjoy that. A lot of young people would enjoy that
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  Speaker 4: sort of social experience. And I actually, for one, think
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  Speaker 4: it's really important for young people to have that sort
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  Speaker 4: of socialism.
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  Speaker 2: I'm happy for the kids to live at home till
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  Speaker 2: they're eighty. I would miss them. I would miss them
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  Speaker 2: so badly when.
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  Speaker 1: They Okay, so parents say this, And when I moved out,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Mum moped around and moaned about it for
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  Speaker 1: about three days, and then I'll go back to their
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  Speaker 1: place for dinner and my old bedroom's suddenly been turned
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  Speaker 1: into a craft room. I mean it happened in about
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  Speaker 1: five seconds flat.
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  Speaker 3: She said.
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  Speaker 1: She was so sad I was leaving, But the minute
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  Speaker 1: I was out of there, the room's been bloody taken
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  Speaker 1: back and turned.
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  Speaker 4: Into a craft Yeah, I must have met. Every time
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  Speaker 4: I go back home to Perth, I open the wardrobe
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  Speaker 4: and there's a George Forman grill sitting in there.
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  Speaker 3: See.
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  Speaker 4: Look, there's a slow cooker in the wardrobe. I'm going,
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  Speaker 4: what is all these appliants expecting?
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  Speaker 2: Like a shrine? To Daneaka of course, And I have to.
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  Speaker 1: Say as well, I think there's the danger now that
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  Speaker 1: people never get to really have some time to be
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  Speaker 1: empty nesters, because people are having children older than they
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  Speaker 1: used to, and then children are leaving older than they
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  Speaker 1: used to, and so you might end up in this
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  Speaker 1: position where you know, you don't get to have maybe
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  Speaker 1: that ten or fifteen years where it's just you and
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  Speaker 1: your wife or you and your husband that you get
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  Speaker 1: to enjoy quietly together before you start having to face
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  Speaker 1: the inevitable health problems that you will, which is a
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  Speaker 1: time at which you might move back in with your
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  Speaker 1: children or end up in a nursing home or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: But that might be something that disappears, because if you're
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  Speaker 1: having kids staying at home until you're you know, sixty
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  Speaker 1: sixty five, seventy, and it's not long after that that
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  Speaker 1: you might be having to look at going back to
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  Speaker 1: live with them.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's a little bit sad.
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  Speaker 4: To people also working longer too.
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  Speaker 3: Now well indeed, I mean, you know, it never ends.
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  Speaker 3: Everything just gets older and older, it would seem.
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  Speaker 1: Now He's an interesting story has lit up, particularly in Adelaide.
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  Speaker 1: Who's involves a Port Adelaide football player. So on the
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  Speaker 1: weekend Sunday in Brisbane, Port Adelaide was playing Brisbane and
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  Speaker 1: it was Mitch Georgiades.
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  Speaker 3: He's a port player.
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  Speaker 1: His first game back from concussion. Now, he was tackled
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  Speaker 1: during the game by Ty Gallup from Brisbane and in
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  Speaker 1: the process of that tackle he ends up falling to
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  Speaker 1: the ground.
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  Speaker 3: But then afterwards you can see what just happened there.
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  Speaker 1: Tig Gallup picks him up as he's on the ground
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  Speaker 1: that is Mitch Georgiarde's.
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  Speaker 3: And slams his head into the ground.
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  Speaker 1: As I say, this is Mitch Georgiardi's first game back
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  Speaker 1: since he had concussion, so you can imagine how he
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  Speaker 1: would have felt having his head slammed into the ground
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  Speaker 1: for no reason in that moment. Now, for this, Ti
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  Speaker 1: Gallup has been given a three match suspension. Now keep
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  Speaker 1: in mind that if you use a slur on the ground,
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  Speaker 1: they'll give you four or five or.
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  Speaker 3: Six weeks off.
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  Speaker 1: Slamming someone's head into the ground is only three weeks
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  Speaker 1: according to the AFL, which I find rather interesting. I
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  Speaker 1: would have thought concussion is one of the major problems
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  Speaker 1: that the sport is facing, and particularly for its longevity
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  Speaker 1: at the moment.
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  Speaker 3: But there you go.
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  Speaker 1: That's what the AFL tribunal has to say about all
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  Speaker 1: of this. Now, tig Gallup top the tribunal. Watching the footage,
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  Speaker 1: I understand the retaliation to what happened wasn't fair. I've
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  Speaker 1: gone out of my way to push him down, which
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry for and I do regret watching back.
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  Speaker 3: The video is a very bad look and there is
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  Speaker 3: no room for it in footy.
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  Speaker 1: But it's also raised the question, particularly in the media
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  Speaker 1: in Adelaide, whether or not this should be considered assault
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  Speaker 1: because if you did that in a pub, if you
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  Speaker 1: did that at the local park, you can be pretty
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  Speaker 1: sure the coppers would be coming around to question you
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  Speaker 1: and potentially arrest you on suspicion of assault. And the
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  Speaker 1: Advertiser's chief court reporter, who of course works in and
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  Speaker 1: around crime every day of the week, Sean Fuster, he's
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  Speaker 1: had this to say. Given the down to player was helpless,
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  Speaker 1: I'd agree with the concept that if this happened in public,
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  Speaker 1: there's a chance police would be called and the criminal
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  Speaker 1: justice system would.
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  Speaker 3: Kick into action.
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  Speaker 1: So the question is should what happens on the football
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  Speaker 1: field become a matter of assault. I mean, I think
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  Speaker 1: it's a pretty poor look what Tiger Gallup did. It
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  Speaker 1: was not called for at all. I think it's a
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  Speaker 1: bad look for AFL more broadly that he's only been
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  Speaker 1: given three matches. But is there not an element of
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  Speaker 1: you know, biff happens on the football field and it's
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  Speaker 1: one of the only places where biff can happen, and
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  Speaker 1: I sometimes wish we had a bit more biff in
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  Speaker 1: Aussie Rules than we used to, and so things like
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  Speaker 1: this do happen in the heat of the game, and
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  Speaker 1: we kind of have to accept that. You know, it's
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  Speaker 1: Aussie rules, it's not down at the pub.
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  Speaker 2: I realized what I'm about to say is entirely subjective.
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  Speaker 2: But I would draw a line between biff, which I
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  Speaker 2: quite enjoyed back in the eighties and nineties when you
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  Speaker 2: had a bit of biff on the field and someone
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  Speaker 2: who's king hit or someone who, as you just showed,
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  Speaker 2: is slammed into the ground when they're already lying prone.
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  Speaker 2: They're not expecting it, they don't see it coming. It's
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  Speaker 2: got nothing to do with the game. It was a
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  Speaker 2: long way from where the play was. Understand how that
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  Speaker 2: is not assault And the fact is there's precedent for this.
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  Speaker 2: Back in nineteen eighty five Lee Matthews, who's a legend
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  Speaker 2: of the game, but he was charged with assault and
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  Speaker 2: convicted after this hit on Geelong player Neville Bruns which
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  Speaker 2: broke the Geelong player's jaw.
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  Speaker 3: Have a look at this lethal reputation.
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  Speaker 1: By stopping Geelong's Neville Bruns cold in his tracks, this
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  Speaker 1: incident escaped the umpire's attention.
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  Speaker 2: As I said, Lee Matthews pleaded guilty to assault. I
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  Speaker 2: think it was fined about one thousand dollars but convicted. That,
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  Speaker 2: as I understand, is the only case in an AFL
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  Speaker 2: VFL game where an on field incident has resulted in
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  Speaker 2: police charges. But if you allow this to happen in
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  Speaker 2: AFL games, what's to stop it happening at local park
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  Speaker 2: football where guys think that, Well, once I'm on the
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  Speaker 2: footy field, I can pretty much do what I want.
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  Speaker 2: You've got to draw a line somewhere, and I think
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  Speaker 2: if you king hit or slam someone into the ground,
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  Speaker 2: that's got nothing to do with a game. It's a salt.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think it's a salt. Do I think it
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  Speaker 4: was deliberate and purposeful? Yes?
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  Speaker 1: I do.
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  Speaker 4: But I'm with Caleb on this one. I think that
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  Speaker 4: there is always going to be some biff on the
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  Speaker 4: football field. If anything, I actually think it's more indicative
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  Speaker 4: of the tribunal's decisions, because I don't think because we
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  Speaker 4: got three weeks three weeks for this, I would say
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  Speaker 4: that three weeks for that is probably not long enough.
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  Speaker 4: If I was here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so if you did that outside your local pub,
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  Speaker 2: that would be a salt, right, But because it's on
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  Speaker 2: the football field, it's not a salt.
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  Speaker 1: So But would that be a salt on the Do
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  Speaker 1: you think if you send someone's face into the pavement?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, that absolutely that would be sult So on.
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  Speaker 2: What grounds do you say what we saw in the
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  Speaker 2: football field is not assault.
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  Speaker 4: Because I just think that it wasn't deliberates, deliberate and purposeful. Yes,
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  Speaker 4: but look at what happened with Barry Hall for example,
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  Speaker 4: when he punched bread steaker in the face, right, he
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  Speaker 4: got yeh, but he didn't he got five weeks I
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  Speaker 4: believe it was five weeks for that one, No, seven weeks, sorry,
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  Speaker 4: he got seven weeks for that, and nobody was talking
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  Speaker 4: about assault back then at that time. So I think
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  Speaker 4: that we have had incidents on the field, but never
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  Speaker 4: have they ever amounted to assault. My issue with this
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  Speaker 4: is is that I think it is, as I said,
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  Speaker 4: indicative of tribunal decisions. He should have gotten longer, and
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  Speaker 4: he should have copped one heck of a fine, one
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  Speaker 4: heck of a fine because the tribunal has given people
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: longer suspensions. We look at the when we've spoken about
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: this before on the late debate, homophobic slurs for example,
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: and people have gotten five, six, seven weeks and upwards
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: of that, and this guy only got a couple of weeks.
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: The disparity is there. So if anything, I think that
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: maybe the tribunal needs to start reviewing its own policies.
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: What if the player in question sustained, you know, major
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: injuries as a result of that brain damage.
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: Then I was one hundred percent.
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: Okay, So you think it's assault depending on the severity
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: of injuries. So it's not action. It's the injury that
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: you're basing your judgment.
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: Right, But if Mitch Georgiardies felt that this was a
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: case of assault, could he not go and press charges himself.
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: I suppose he could, but do the peer pressure in
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: terms of football would be pretty enormous to not do that,
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: wouldn't it, because.
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: Well maybe you think the culture.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's because the issue would then become that if
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: you set the precedent that as salt is something that
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: can happen on the football field, then you will have
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: to run the ruler over stuff that happens on the
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: football field much more closely. And I think it would
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: become almost impossible to govern the game. I mean, you know,
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: assault in the real world is touching someone without their consent,
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: you know, So if someone comes up to you in
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: a pub and just sort of you know, rough handles
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: you a little bit and you're not really hurt. But
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: but it was somewhat scary incident. I mean, that is
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: something that you could go to the police and report
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: for assault. And this sort of sort of stuff happens
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: on the football field all the time.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: If I put my hand on the back of your
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: head and pulled you closer to tell you.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: Something, well a main example that was found not to be,
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: of course, but but this this is stuff that could
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: be pressed as assault, treats as assault by the police.
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: So it would become impossible to gathern the game. I
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: don't think so.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: I think it is a pretty easy distinction. That was
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: clearly nothing to do with the ball, nothing to do
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: with the game. It wasn't a tackle, he wasn't competing
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: for the ball, He was a long way from the play.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: That was a pretty cut and dried case of physical assault.
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: Well, then suspend him for a long period of time
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: and give him one hell of a fine and perhaps
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: actually give him some sort of engagement in anger management
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: or something to help him along the radicalization.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: Prof Wow, I go that far.
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: That's true. You know, he obviously needs a good talking
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: to very clearly, a stern chat, a stern chat, and
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: maybe some development with.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: The local police officer.
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: I reckon with a local cop. All right, let's move
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: on now, would you be okay with a robot booking
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: your overseas holiday? Well, that is the way that the
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: travel sector is going. Flight Center is now using digital
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: humans to what it says, reimagine the future of travel bookings.
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: They currently have three thousand, five hundred agents that are employed,
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: three thousand, five hundred independent agents, so that's seven thousand
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: in total, and they have another three thousand, five hundred
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: AI bots helping you out. Their CEO, James Kavanaugh said,
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: these digital humans acted in Australian accents. They talked with
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: ums and stutters and sounded so incredibly human. The technology
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: is so advanced. Imagine a future where you have a
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: human who has an AI agent acting on their behalf.
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: So the question then is if the business has a
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: surge in agents, you might not even know they're human.
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: So it gets you to think about what it might be.
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: What might be an agent to agent conversation as opposed
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: to exclusively human. There you go, So next time you
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: look at Flight Center, you may not even know, but
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: AI is even extending to the court room. Over in
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: the UK, a rape trial has now collapsed after the
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: alleged victim used AI to prepare her answers in court.
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: This happened at the Loose Crown Court, where this woman
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: admitted to using an AI chatbot to prepare for her
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: cross examination. Now, witness coaching is prohibited in the UK
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: because of concerns that memories could be contaminated, or that
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: witnesses may alter their accounts to clear up any inconsistencies
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: and align with their stories. The Court of Appeal said, quote,
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: an honest witness may alter the emphasis of his evidence
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: to accommodate what he thinks may be a different, more accurate,
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: or simply better remembered perception of events. A dishonest witness
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: will very rapidly circulate how this testimony may be improved. Now, firstly,
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: I just comment on this court case. Lawyers actually use
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: AI now to help prepare for their case. The difference
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: is using it as a tool for preparation, but not
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: using it in the court room for actual court of
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: law processes. So I agree with the court's decision on this.
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: You can't just rock up to court with a pre
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: prepared AI chatbot answer. That's unfair. It's unjust to the
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: court system, and it needs to be based on actual evidence,
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: not via a robot. As for flight center, I don't
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: know about you, but I will always book my own flights.
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: But the experience of going into flight center, sitting there,
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: getting a personalized experience, a chat one on one, and
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: a lot of older people in particular like that one
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: on one experience. How on earth is a robot supposed
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: to help you when you're stranded somewhere overseas.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: I find the process of sitting with a travel agent
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: in exhausting. Why because I have so much detail and
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: what about this? What about this? What about this? How
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: much easier just to have AI can in a moment
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: go through every possibility give you the best options of
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: connecting flights and you go from having a travel agent
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: essentially to a concierge who's available twenty four to seven.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: I mean the things they could do with your itinery
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: through AI, where you could travel around the world and
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: everything is on your phone at the click of a button,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: rather than having to have you ever been overseas and
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: you're trying to contact your travel agent because a connecting
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: flight hasn't worked out or something, and you're trying to
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: juggle time differences and they're trying to sort things that
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: AI would just make the whole thing seamless.
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: I mean, you're going to kill the entire workforce. The
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: travel agent industry will be shut down.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: And I'll leave Caleb to defend the workers, because that's
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: what Caleb typically does when it comes to AI. Can
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: I just point something out? First we had trans women,
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: Now we've got digital humans.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: I know what the hell is digital that?
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: Amana?
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Amenah?
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we can't edit out the things that go wrong
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: with humans because it would seem, you know, to Dodgy
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: would seriously. Good travel agents generally have done a lot
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: of traveling themselves, and this is what you miss out
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: in AI or any of this technological stuff, is the
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: human element of the job.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: So a good travel agent, you know, we'll be able
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: to talk to you about certain places and things and
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: experiences and whatever, and hopefully have some knowledge of it
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: themselves because they've been there and they've seen it, or
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: one of their colleagues has been there and seen it,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: and so they build up a knowledge base that you
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: get from experience. A robot is never going to have that,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: and so I'm not sure that I trust an AI
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: bot to give me an itinerary in the same way
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: a human would, because a human might be able to say, oh,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: you know, I know XYZ about you and this will
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: suit you really well. And when I was there, I
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: went to this restaurant and it was absolutely magnificent. Now
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: they can tell you that from a first person perspective,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: an AI robot scraping the internet and going, oh, well,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: other people said they like this, so maybe you would
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: like this as well.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure that's the level of service. Wouldn't I
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: want from a travel age you wouldn't.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: That be better? Because the situation you've just so, I'm
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: your travel agent, Well I went to here and I
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: liked this. That's entirely subjective, right, But if AI is
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: screeping the internet, as you say, from thousands of trip
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: Advisor reviews and so on, would that not be more
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: objective advice as to where you should go? What good
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: restaurant is?
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: Why do you know why? Because it can't give you
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: like the real personalized recommendation. Say, for instance, your travel
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: agent has been to an authentic Italian restaurant in Rome,
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: off the beaten track, where and non are in the
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: kitchen cooking. They can recommend that to you. If you
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: were to put it into chat GPT, for example, it
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: would not give you that. It would scroll across, you know,
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: the tourism sites. What's it called, the one where you
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: do the ratings and the tour the one way you
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: put your reviews trip Advisor, sorry, trip Advisor. It would
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: scroll through trip Advisor and look at some of the
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: high rated restaurants, and I guarantee you all of them
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: would be the tourist trap restaurants. They would not be
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: the off the beaten track, the authentic ones. So I agree.
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: I think that the travel age and industry hold a
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: very good place.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: With regards that court case that you mentioned, which I
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: find really interesting, where the alleged victim in a rape
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: trial was using AI to prepare her testimony in court.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: You're not allowed to have people coach your evidence, and clearly,
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: whether it's a human being or whether it's a digital
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: human being, you're being coached if you're using AI. The
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: funny thing about that is everyone uses AI for everything. Now,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: most of our university students aren't writing anything without putting
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: it through AI. So do we really expect them when
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: they come to a court of law to be able
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: to coherently put things down without using what they use
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: for everything that they And.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: This is part of my great concern for AIS, that
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: we're teaching people not to think for themselves. And you know,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: and people said this about the Internet when you know,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Google and search.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: Engines whatever came along.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Oh, you won't have to think for yourself anymore because
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: it's all available on the Internet all the time. You
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: won't have to learn any thing, but you still have
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: to go through the process of finding information and interpreting
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: information and whatever. A search engine like Google just presents
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: it to you, whereas AI is doing both. It's finding
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: the information, it's interpreting the information, and then it's you.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: Know, telling it to you.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: And so you effectively don't have to think for yourself anymore.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure that's good for the race, chat.
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: GPT or anything.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I use chat GPT now to rather than just
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: type something into Google to search I find with chat
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: GPT you can be far more specific in what you
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: want to find, and it will provide you with links
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: and so on and so. As a research tool.
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: I think it's really handy. There's probably better. I just
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: not experienced very much.
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: I agree. I use it. It's become my new Google,
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: to be honest, right, Yeah.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: I mean I've used it to do things like calculations
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: which I can't be bothered doing, and making silly photographs
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: of Danika to send to her. So that's about the
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: extint of my I think they're really terrific.
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: It's the extint of my use.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: Of AI have to say, And I'm pretty content to
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: leave it that.
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: I'm so glad that I keep you amused, kayleb, I'm
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: real it makes my day terrific. Thank you.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: I had forgotten about COVID and thank god that's in
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: the past. But would you believe it? The New South
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Wales Police Force has just this week updated their COVID advice.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: They no longer believe that COVID vaccine is mandatory. I
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: can't believe they still had mandatory COVID vaccines up until
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: this week. They've now decided the COVID vaccine is recommended,
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: not mandatory. Now. Of course, there were fifty five New
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: South Wales Police officers sacked because they refused to take
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: the COVID vaccine back during the pandemic, and so the
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: new South Wales Police Services now said that those officers
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: who were It's funny, you know, the new South Wales
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: Police don't say sacked, they say who was separated.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: Terror service.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: I want to make a point about that language in
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: just a second. But they've said these officers who lost
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: their jobs because they refuse to take the jab are
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: now welcome to reapply for their jobs, and it sounds
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: like they're trying to make things right, but I don't
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: believe they are. The reason they've given for this is
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: because they're struggling with recruitment. They badly need officers. I'm
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: not sure fifty five is going to make a big difference,
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: but this has been the reason given in the media,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: not because we did the wrong thing by demanding you
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: take the vaccine. We need more police officers, so we're
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: offering you guys a chance to come back. So it's
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: not to make a wrong right, it's for recruiting. It's
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: taken them this long. I can't believe that. And the
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: language they use, they don't even say that these people
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: were sacked, they say they were separated from the force.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: Displays that the New South Wales Police officionados are not
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: owning the injustice that was done to these officers. Moreover,
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: they're being asked to reapply. They'll still have to go medicals.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: I suppose that's fair enough. It's been a while, but
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: twelve weeks of training. It's going to be considered on
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: a case by case basis. This is far from restitution,
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: and I think, if you're one of those fifty five coppers,
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: why would you bother accepting an invitation like that having
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: been treated so poorly.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: I know, by the way, I just had another thought
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: about the AI stuff that I should have said before,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: but I've lost the I'll say it anyway. I was
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: just thinking, because you were saying about how you wouldn't
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: want to you like this idea that the robot will
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: just sort of tell you what to do and it
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: it gets all the best information. It occurred to me
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: that they had to make the human robot do ums
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: and rs because it's relatable, right. You expect imperfections, and
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: so people actually want the imperfections and the relatability of
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: a person, which you don't get from a robot. Having
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: to reverse the engineer that stuff into the back of
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: it right, which I think rather than proves the point
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: that people want to talk to a human being.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: But coming back to this point, it.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Is just absurd, isn't it that you would be expected
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: to have and have to go and reapply for your
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: job that you left for no good reason. Essentially, I mean,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: and I accept that, you know, those decisions were made
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: under a different police commissioner and there is a new
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: police commissioner now who said you can come back. But
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: really the new South Wales Police should be calling up
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: each of the people that were sacked because they didn't
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: take the vaccine and saying would you like to come
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: back to work. If so, will organize the medicals and
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: whatever to make sure you're up to speed. But they
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: shouldn't go and say, oh, well, you know, you come
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: and talk to us if you want to talk to us.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: I think it should be incumbent upon the police force
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: to reach out to those people and say we're sorry.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: You know a lot of time has elapsed, now what
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: can we do to get you back into the force.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: That would be the fear and right thing to do.
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: I think, so desperate times call for desperate measures. They
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: got rid of all of these officers who didn't take
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: the COVID JAB bizarrely have kept this law up until recently,
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: which baffles me because COVID was a very very long
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: time ago, and now that they're in a recruitment crisis,
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: they say, oh please, we actually need your services, could
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: you come back. As of June, there were two thousand
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: vacancies in the police force. That is considered to be
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: a crisis is so bad in New South Wales that
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: the state government has just launched a recruitment blitz. It's
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: pouring about seventy million dollars into trying to get more
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: police recruits. You have had a great crop of officers
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: just sitting there idly by for how long now, for
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: four or five years, and they've been out of a
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: job because of what sheer stupidity. Why because they didn't
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: take a COVID JAB. Who the hell cares. Life has
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: gone on, We have moved on from the pandemic. If
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: I were these officers, I would give the force the
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: middle finger. I would say bugger the lot of you,
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: go and find other recruits. And I remember I've covered
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: this before quite a few times. A lot of these
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: was a lot of them were actually senior members of
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: the police force with a lot of experience, years and
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: years of policing experience. They could have been used for
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: so much that's going on, for crime and all sorts
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: that's going on in New South Wales. And it's just
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: really sad because I think when you enter the force,
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: you go to the force to serve your state. You
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: become is such an invaluable member of the state and
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: to be reduced to a figure just because you didn't
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: take a COVID jab is just the ultimate insult.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: I should they weren't just sacked, they were sacked for
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: quote unquote severe misconduct.
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: That's just a pall how offensive.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: Seriously, and of course, you know, being a copper is
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: a hard enough job as it is. You know, for
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: the pay you get, the stuff you have to endure,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: and the people you have to deal with it, it's
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: a hard job. And so it's understandable that from time
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: to time a copper might have to go off and
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: talk to someone about the stuff they see. I mean,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: you know, you imagine some of these people, particularly those
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: you know working in the areas of murder and family
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: violence and all this sort of stuff. I mean, they
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: would see more stuff in a year than you would
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: ever see in a lifetime, most likely stuff that you
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: don't want to see, and so they go off and
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: talk to someone about that, because you can imagine the
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: mental state that that would put some people in. Now,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: in New South Wales and I'm sure across the country,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: they have police chaplains which are available to a copper
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: if they want to go and have a chat. Now,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: of course a chaplain is religiously affiliated. I'm sure there's
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: someone else you can go and talk to is not
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: religiously affiliated if you want to. But these people are volunteers,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: right and they are there so police have someone to
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: talk to if they need to.
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: They can go and talk about their problems.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: They can talk about the things that they've seen on
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: the beat, they can talk about heck, if they've got
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: something going on at home and it's affecting their ability
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: to come to work. They're meant to be a shoulder
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: to cry on, someone to go to for advice, and
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: these police chaplains volunteer their time to do this vital.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: Role within the police force.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: As of August twenty one in New South Wales, the
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: rules will be changed so that these police chaplains are
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: forced to disclose information to the police force.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: Can you believe it?
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: So if you go off to have a confidential conversation
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: with someone about your state of mind, they would then
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: have to tell this to your boss.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: So why would you bother going in the first place.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: The Daily Telegraph reports, upon request, contracted chaplains will now
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: be required to disclose the full names of members who
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: have used the chaplaincy service. The new contracts also demanded
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: if a chaplain identifies any psychological distress, workplace conflict, trauma, exposure,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: fitness for duty concerns, health conditions, or financial hardship, they
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: must provide relevant information to an officer's manager.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: I mean this is you know, if you went and talked.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: To a psychologist about your problems, you would hope that
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: they would not hand that stuff over, and indeed they're
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: not allowed to. The coppers now think that if you
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: go and talk to a volunteer who's there so that
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: you can talk to them about these things. They now
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: have the right to access all of this information. And
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: the chaplains have blown up about it.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: As you can.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Imagine, Michael George has left. He doesn't want to do
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: it anymore. He says, it is designed, at worst to
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: remove police chaplaincy from the force through policies that would
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: limit chaplains to the point they would become ineffective in
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: their role. I was staggered to read this component of
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: the contract. In fact, this clause goes against every benefit
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: of having a chaplaincy service.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: I mean, it just makes no sense at all. If
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: you go and talk to a.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Chaplain and say, look, you know I've been struggling mentally
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: a bit lately because I was working on this case.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Would's really affect me because it reminded me of something
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: that happened in my childhood or whatever it is. And
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: now they're meant to go off and tell your boss, oh, look,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: you know he's struggling a little bit. That just breaks
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: all the rules of confidentiality and having someone to work
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: through these things.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: So what will happen? So if I'm the struggling copper,
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: there's no way I'm talking to the chaplain because I'll
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: be put on desk duties or I'll be you know,
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: interrogated and perhaps put on suspended leave. Has my state
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: of mind changed, not a bit. It's just now instead
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: of talking to someone who may be able to offer
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: some perspective and some help. Now I'm just going to
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: suppress all the stuff, so I don't know. Maybe I'll
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: start drinking or something. But the problem remains. It's just
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: that now I'm not talking. It would seem like the
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: new South Wales police officionados would just rather the coppers
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: weren't talking about their problems at all. No, it will
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: least that's what will happen.
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: Great it will lead to PTSD, which is already a
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: problem for police officers given the nature of what they
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: see out in the field, but also for chaplains. Imagine
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: the crisis of confidence that they would feel that they
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: would have to divulge such information because I guess you
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: can talk to this. You take a vow or an
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: oath that you would keep this very secretive and be
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: able to offer for the advice and be a very
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: good ear to people who are struggling or just want
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: to have a chat, and then to be told no,
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: you have to divulge this information otherwise you will lose
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: your job, which goes against everything that they have taken
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: this oathen to do that is a real crisis of
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: confidence and would put I'm not surprised that they're they're
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: resigning and drove and.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: We're not talking about you know, for copper devolves that
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: he's involved in the legal activity that chain of course,
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: but personal struggle terrible. Yeah, unconscionable that they would demand that.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: So even if the chaplains didn't resign, I mean, they'd
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: be sitting in their office doing nothing because no police
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: officer is going to bother going to talk to them.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: So you have it, all right, We're going to take
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: a break. When we come back, Well, look at what's
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: making news tomorrow, including Pauline Hanson's plan to stop ISIS
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: terrorists returning to Australia. That's next. Welcome back to the program.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: Let's take a look at what's making headlines tomorrow. We'll
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: start with The Australian and an interesting inquiry to be
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: had in Victoria.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: Caleb Deed it is his alp braces for Andrews's inquisition.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Danniel Andrews to center Allen Government ministers, political staff and
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: public servants overseeing Labour's corruption riddled mega road and rail
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: projects face being hauled before the Royal Commission ordered by
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: new Premier Ben Carroll, Victoria's Labour leader publicly committed on
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: his first full day in the top job to arm
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: the Royal Commission into the construction sector with quote unquote
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: exhaustive terms of reference to ensure the judicial inquiry could
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: reach beyond the CFMU and the Rogue Union's biking links
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: labour figures close to mister Carroll told The Australian there
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: was both an acknowledgment and support within the two day
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: old administration that the former premiers and minister's linked.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: To the Big Build would not be shielded from this probe.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, remember we were hoping that, you know, you
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: might get Daniel Andrews into a Royal Commission into COVID, right,
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: and we never got that. But maybe we could see
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: him up at a Royal Commission into a corruption on
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: the Big Bill. Wouldn't that be wouldn't that be a
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: nice moment to finally see him get grilled in public.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: And of course we know what he will say, don't we.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: I don't recall. I can't remember. I have no recollection
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: because we've done that little dance before. I forget who
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: it was earlier on News twenty four tonight, but I
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: heard someone talking earlier this evening about that I think
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: it was Lucy Zelich who was saying, if he's serious
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: about this inquiry, why would you not give it to
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: an independent body to draw up the terms of reference
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: rather than the Labor government deciding how the Labor government
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: will be investigating.
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: Well, this is I mean Ben Carroll trying to make
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: out like, look, I'm doing something about it. No, I
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: am not just into Alan. I'm not Daniel Andrews. As
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: we said last night. If he truly cared about this
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: Royal commissionhy didn't he push for it earlier while he
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: was still minister in both of their governments.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: Indeed, just before we continue with the papers, some breaking news.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump has responded to around surprise missile strikes that
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: took place this morning, reportedly aimed at a US base
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: in Jordan. Trump has gone on Fox News and or
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: has been reported rather by Fox News, and he's responding
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: not with missiles, but with some pretty strong words.
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: Have listen President Trump reacting to that Iranian attack on
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: US forces overnight in Jordan. President Trump tells Fox News
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: about Iran, we are going to beat the fings out
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: of them.
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: He went on to say, We'll be hitting them hard.
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: They're going to get a beating. So clearly the United
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: States is going to respond to what the President described
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: as a surprise attack. He says US forces had just
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: minutes to shoot down these incoming Iranian ballistic missiles. The
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: President says he has reviewed video of the shootdown, and
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: it was US forces conducting this operation to defend that area.
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: It was real time.
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: They were calling out coordinates and ensuring that none of
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: this incoming Iranian fire got through.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: So there you go, Donald Trump threatening to beat the
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: fings out of the Iranians. You can work out what
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: F and s stands for. It's exciting, I guess, unless
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: you remember that in March he said they would knock
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: the crap out of the Iranians. In April he said
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: they would unleash hell. He also said in April they
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: would end the Iranian civilization. And he said just a
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: few weeks ago that he would knock the hell out
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: of iran Now he's going to beat the fings out
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: of them. Trump is like that parrot who says I'm
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: going to count the three, I'm going to count to five.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: I'm going to count to ten if you do it
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: one more time. He doesn't carry through on these threats,
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: So what stock do you put in it?
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: And this is the thing that's been used before Tarka, Right,
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: Trump always chickens out, and unfortunately for him, I mean,
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: I think he's really reticent to do too much before
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: the mid term, so it's elongating the war from that perspective.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: He's reticent to do anything that will really blow up
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: the global markets too much, particularly before the midterms, because
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: he's worried about that, which means he's basically sitting on
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: his hands for now. But the problem is that the
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: longer you sit on your hands, the less likely it
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: becomes that you actually achieve anything. You keep making these threats,
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: at some point you have to follow through on one
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: of them and actually show a bit of mut and
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: to this point it's just simply not happened.
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, to be honest, that the toing and
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: throwing from Trump is getting It's given you, it's given
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: me whiplash. You know, every week it's I'm going to
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: bomb them, I'm going to do this. But he hasn't
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: followed through on not one of his threats. And we
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: know that unless the Iranian regime is killed, nothing will
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: ever change. And that's what the Iranians have said that
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: without the death of the regime there can never be
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: any sort of peace in Iran. So it's been going
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: on since February. It was meant to be a short
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: war and it's still going Nothing seems to be getting better,
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: nothing seems to be changing. We just keep hearing threats
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: from Donald Trump on a weekly basis. So which one
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: is it? And I understand now is in a pickle,
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: as you said, because of the midterms and the magabase
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: over there is very split by this. There are a
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: lot of Republicans very angry. So he is stuck between
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: a rock and a hard place. But you know, what
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: are you going to do about it? That's the question?
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: What are you going to do?
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: The threats are certainly not working.
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: They're not working.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: Plot they're not that's for sure.
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: Iran knows this. That's the problem.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Let's get back into tomorrow's papers, shall we? On another
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: story on the front of the Oars tomorrow. Hanson's court
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: proof ISIS plan, says One Nation leader Pauline Hanson has
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: devised a new plan to ban Islamic State linked fighters
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: and terrorist sympathizers, strengthening bail laws for terror offenses and
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: introducing tougher passport blocking pars in a counter terror bill
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: the populist politician says will be high court proof in
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: what she will frame as the most detailed piece of
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: one nation policy since the party's ascendancy after the Bondi attack,
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: Senator Hanson has drafted a twenty two page Protecting Australians
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: from Foreign Terrorist Fighters Bill ahead of Parliament returning on
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: August eleven. The Australian can reveal Senator Hanson sent the
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: bill in a seventeen page explanatory memorandum to Cross benches
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: on Wednesday, alongside a note lamenting at the time that
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: Angus Taylor had not responded to the letter she sent
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: him last Thursday.
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: So there's a few interesting things in that.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: One is that I think Pauline Hansen's realizing now that
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: they do have to start coming out with some ironclad policy.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: You know, you go on their website, there are a
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: lot of policies there, but they're reasonably light on. You
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: have to start coming out with serious stuff if you
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: want to present as a party of government. But also
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: the fact that Angus Taylor's not contacted her since she
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: sent him that letter on Thursday.
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: How hard is it to pick up the phone? It
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: seems like a pretty simple thing to do, isn't it. Well.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: I don't think Angus Taylor and Pauling Hanson have even
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: had a meeting since he assumed the leadership with the Coalition,
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: which is kind of hard to believe that. The big question, though,
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: is not Angus Taylor Pauling Hanson. The real question is
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: why is Pauline Hanson drafting legislation to stop ISIS fighters
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: returning to Australia. What's the government doing? Well? Tony Burke
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: should have been drafting legislation.
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: But he's got votes to protect.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: Big game. Front page of Tomorrow's Herald's Son reads Ben
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: slams On breaks up to ten billion dollars of suburban
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: rail loop detail deals about to be inked or expected
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: to go on hold during a review that will also
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: assess whether existing contractors can be diverted to other infrastructure projects.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: The Herald Son understands the radical options are likely to
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: be assessed as part of the review by the new
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: Carroll government, including whether tunneling deals already signed could be
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: the purpose. Now Ben Carroll, the new Victorian Premier, has
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: promised he will not break any existing contracts. And that's
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: an important promise because you remember Dan Andrews famously broke
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: the East West Link contract and the Commonwealth Games contract.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: If you add just those two together, it's about one
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: point eight billion dollars the Victorians lost in broken contracts.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: So instead, he says he will repurpose these deals. I
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: wonder if he's just bluffing until after the election and
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: then this will just disappear and he'll carry on.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: Maybe so, but we.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: Shall see, we shall after the break. They're calling it
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: the greatest scandal in cricket history. Now, even if you're
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: not a cricket fan, you want to hear what this
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: London cricket club did to try to trick umpires. It's
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: astonishing the length they went to. That's next, Welcome back
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: to the program. Danika, a brewery in the United States
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: has gotten themselves in trouble over Donald Trump.
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: Oh, yes have, and now it's time for.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: The day.
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: Yes, how good is Karma? A brewery in Wisconsin that
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: was constantly putting up anti Trump rhetoric has been shut
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: down and has had its license asserving alcohol revoke. Would
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: you believe the monoc we Brewing Co's permit to operate
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: has been revoked. Sorry. It posts anti Trump social media posts,
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: including one promising a free beer promotion upon the death
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: of President Donald Trump. Well it's all over. Now. That's
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: what karma does, guys. Instant Karma's gonna get you, gonna
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: knock you right in the head.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: I can't believe they thought that that would be appropriate
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: litt alone, that that would go without some sort of consequences.
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: Well that's what happens.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Promising to me.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: Got him good and rightly.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: So I think now you remember, top g you what
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: a great program was, you know, Jeremy Clarkson, Richard Hammond,
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: James they were just a fantastic thrapple. They were, well,
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: Richard Hammond of because the whole yees, sorry, it didn't
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: quite mean it like that anyway, And of course that
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: the whole program was about them driving around very fast
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: in cars, and Richard Hammond has kept doing it since
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: leaving the program, and then the Grand Tour that they
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: were doing on Amazon. It would seem because he's been
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: done for speeding twice in the last couple of weeks
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: over in the UK's been done in a Bentley and
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: in a Porsche and you can see.
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: Him behind the wheel there. I mean the poor bugger.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: He got picked up doing sixty eight miles an hour
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: in a fifty mile an hour zone in a Porsche
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: tay Can Cross to Rismo in December two last year,
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: and then shortly after that was picked up for eighty
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: two miles an hour in a seventy mile an hour
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: zone in a Bentley Continental GT. And he's had to
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: go off to court in the last few days and
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: paid one thousand, seven hundred and seventy one pounds. But
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: we have obtained exclusive vision of the coppers when they
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: arrested him.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: How bad.
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: You're all wrong?
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: It was such a great show, so do I? I
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: all right? A cricket team in England have been labeled
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: the greatest cheatahs in the game's four hundred year history.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: The Saltburn Cricket Club Division two players developed a way
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: of tricking the umpire into giving batsmen out caught behind.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: Will show you the vision and keep your eye on
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: the slips fielder who clicks his fingers as the ball
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: passes bat to make the umpire think that the ball
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: has been sneaked and to give the batsman out. Now
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: there's numbers of these clips going viral on the Internet
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: and they appear to show the batsman missing the ball
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: but the umpire being tricked into thinking it was out
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: because he heard a noise as ball passed bat. The
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: Saltburn Cricket Club is currently top of the table, would
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: you believe it? And the wicket keeper has taken a
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: league high thirty one catches, which is ten more than
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: any other wicket keeper in the league. In one game,
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: he took eight catches in a single game. How many
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: of them were actually out?
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: Who knows?
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: How terrible?
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: How did no one ever think of this before?
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: That's what I was eight?
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: Did you say eight catches in one game?
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: Eight catches in one game? Wouldn't somebody go, that's an
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: unusually high number.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: And he was boasting to his friends. He said, you know,
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: because he hadn't been playing that long, but he said,
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: this wicket keeping, it's a snap, because.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: You know when we got done Australia got done for
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: the sand paper stack and the INNT news had a headline,
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: why I've got some sticky near my dickie. I suppose
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: for him it would be why I'm doing a clickie
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: near my Dickie.
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: But you know what they're calling in. You know what
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: they're calling him, Clickie Ponting.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: You can go on that note. Here's the Independent. He's show,
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: She's up next. Goodnight, h m hm