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2020: Elizabeth Warren on dogs and capitalism (From Feb. 21, 2019) · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Pod Save America. This is Tommy Vitor, uh,
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  Speaker 1: What we're doing today is back in February, we released
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  Speaker 1: my interview with Senator Elizabeth Warren as part of a
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  Speaker 1: Thursday pod. Since then, we've decided that it would be
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  Speaker 1: a hell of a lot easier for you guys to
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  Speaker 1: search for these things if we release them as standalone
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  Speaker 1: bonus episodes. So that's what we're doing today. You won't
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  Speaker 1: hear any new ads or anything like that. It's just
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  Speaker 1: the show itself, but it will make it a lot
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  Speaker 1: easier for you to find it and listen to it
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  Speaker 1: on its own. Here's the stuff we talked about. We
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  Speaker 1: talked about her adorable golden retriever puppy, Bailey. Don't miss
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  Speaker 1: that part. We talked about, you know, what it means
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  Speaker 1: to be a socialist, why she's a capitalist. We talked
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  Speaker 1: about Medicare for all and the debate around that policy.
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  Speaker 1: We talked about immigration policy. We talked about Venezuela. We
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  Speaker 1: talked about Israel and U.S. policy toward the Israeli government,
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  Speaker 1: including settlements. We talked about the use of force as
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  Speaker 1: president and her brother's service in the military. her stance
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  Speaker 1: on nuclear weapons in the state of Massachusetts. So it
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  Speaker 1: was a lot of fun. Elizabeth Warren knows a lot
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  Speaker 1: of things about a lot of issues and is a
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  Speaker 1: very impressive person. So without any more spin on the ball,
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  Speaker 1: here's the interview. I am honored to have in studio
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  Speaker 1: a Massachusetts resident, a United States Senator, Elizabeth Warren. Thank
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  Speaker 1: you so much for being here.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, thank you. I'm delighted to be here.
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  Speaker 1: You just met Pundit Leo and Luca. So most important
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  Speaker 1: question of the day. We've got to give the people
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  Speaker 1: what they want. How is your new Golden Retriever puppy, Bailey, doing?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm telling you, Bailey is taking to campaigning. So
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  Speaker 2: he now comes to the events in New Hampshire, since
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  Speaker 2: we're nearby, and he runs his own separate photo line.
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  Speaker 2: And I keep saying to everybody, it is not a competition.
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  Speaker 2: I'll do one, he'll do one. And I have to
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  Speaker 2: keep saying that because more people want to get their
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  Speaker 2: picture taken with Bailey.
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  Speaker 1: He is painfully cute. Everyone check him out on the
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  Speaker 1: center's Instagram page.
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  Speaker 2: He's a honey bun.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, just amazing. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: And I just want you to know, he's completely in
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  Speaker 2: favor of affordable child care, universal child care, affordable health care.
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  Speaker 2: He's in on all of this.
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  Speaker 1: He's for all of this accountable capitalism.
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  Speaker 2: Accountable capitalism, he's in.
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  Speaker 1: The whole suite of issues.
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  Speaker 2: We had to do the whole thing on Glass-Steagall, which
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  Speaker 2: was early on. And I think maybe he was a
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  Speaker 2: little young when I first introduced him to it.
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  Speaker 1: And I heard he really pushed you towards the no
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  Speaker 1: first use nuclear policy as well.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, actually, this was a big deal for him. And
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  Speaker 2: I think it came from the other guys at the
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  Speaker 2: dog park had been talking about it for a long time.
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  Speaker 2: And You know, there just comes a moment when it
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  Speaker 2: is the right time to just go ahead and say,
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  Speaker 2: we're just not going to do this.
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  Speaker 1: Make some news.
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  Speaker 2: That's right. And make a statement of your principles here.
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  Speaker 1: I like it.
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  Speaker 2: No first use. He really is opposed to nuclear war.
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  Speaker 2: So what could I say? You know, you've got to
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  Speaker 2: work together.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I would love to dig into that in a minute.
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  Speaker 1: But first question for you. So during President Trump's soaring stirring,
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  Speaker 1: beautiful State of the Union speech. He said, we renew
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  Speaker 1: our resolve that America will never be a socialist country.
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  Speaker 1: You stood, you clapped, you said you're a capitalist. Why
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  Speaker 1: are you a capitalist?
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  Speaker 2: Because I see the value of markets and that they
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  Speaker 2: can produce a lot of good if they have rules.
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  Speaker 2: But let us all be clear. Markets without rules are theft.
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  Speaker 2: And I am opposed to theft. There is a reason
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  Speaker 2: that the folks on Wall Street, the big CEOs, don't
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  Speaker 2: want me to even be in the Senate. They're kind
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  Speaker 2: of in the anyone but you. Maybe that will be
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  Speaker 2: their tattoo, anyone but her. Because I get how the
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  Speaker 2: system works and how it can work when it works right.
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  Speaker 2: And how these are the guys who are ripping it
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  Speaker 2: off and making it not work. And I really do
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  Speaker 2: want to I want to see it work. I want
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  Speaker 2: to see us as a country not just continue to
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  Speaker 2: produce more wealth, but I want to see us continue
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  Speaker 2: to produce more wealth where that means opportunities not just
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  Speaker 2: for those at the top, but opportunities for everybody. And
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  Speaker 2: I mean not like kind of everybody. I really literally
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  Speaker 2: mean everybody.
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  Speaker 1: So I think in part because of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and
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  Speaker 1: Senator Sanders and then President Trump picking up the mantle
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  Speaker 1: of socialism, I'm sure he's a big supporter. It's been
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  Speaker 1: discussed a lot recently. And so, I mean, I'm just
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  Speaker 1: trying to help people understand the distinction because, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you support Bernie Sanders' Medicare for All bill. You said
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  Speaker 1: you support the concept of a Green New Deal. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I think people look at you and they look at
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  Speaker 1: Senator Sanders and they think there's a lot of similarity
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  Speaker 1: there on policy views, but he's a democratic socialist, you're
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  Speaker 1: a democrat and a capitalist. And I'm just hoping maybe
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  Speaker 1: we can help listeners understand that. That distinction and how
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  Speaker 1: you might differ on policy.
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  Speaker 2: So, you know, Bernie and I have been friends since long,
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  Speaker 2: long before I ever got in politics. Of course, that's
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  Speaker 2: not saying much. I actually haven't been in it that
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  Speaker 2: long on the political end of it. It's always been
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  Speaker 2: the policy end. But the best I can do is
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  Speaker 2: explain my end of it. So let me give you
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  Speaker 2: two parts to it. First part is we've got a
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  Speaker 2: country right now that works great for those at the top.
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  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: It is a country that works great for giant drug companies,
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  Speaker 2: just not for people who are trying to get prescription fills.
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  Speaker 2: It works great for giant oil companies that want to
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  Speaker 2: drill everywhere, but not for people who see climate change
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  Speaker 2: as it's bearing down on us. It works great for
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  Speaker 2: investors in private prisons, but not for the people whose
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  Speaker 2: lives are destroyed and whose communities are torn apart. When
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  Speaker 2: a government works... just for those at the top, that's corruption,
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  Speaker 2: plain and simple. And we've got to call it out.
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  Speaker 2: Because what's happened in this country is in effect on
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  Speaker 2: every decision that gets made, from giant ones that we
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  Speaker 2: see out in front, like drilling offshore, down to minute
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  Speaker 2: regulatory decisions. There's almost always somebody in the room representing
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  Speaker 2: the rich, the powerful, or multiple someones, trying to get
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  Speaker 2: the field tilted just a little bit more in favor
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  Speaker 2: of their clients. And not just once, but twice, 20 times,
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  Speaker 2: 200 times, 2,000 times. And the consequence has been we
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  Speaker 2: now have a government that really does. It's not working
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  Speaker 2: for the people. And so whatever issue brings you to
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  Speaker 2: the table, whether it's around economic issues, gun safety, climate change,
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  Speaker 2: net neutrality, it all intersects through this fundamental piece of corruption,
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  Speaker 2: of a government that's listening to the folks with money
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  Speaker 2: instead of a government that's listening to the people who
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  Speaker 2: elected us to get there. So I start with, we
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  Speaker 2: got to root out the corruptions. And then we've got
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  Speaker 2: to change the rules in this economy and move us
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  Speaker 2: away from an economy that works, again, giant corporations who
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  Speaker 2: can buy political influence. We've got to get to an
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  Speaker 2: economy where there's more balance in it. It ought to
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  Speaker 2: be easy to join a union, right? We ought to
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  Speaker 2: make it easy to have more worker power. Accountable capitalism
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  Speaker 2: says workers get to elect 40% of the seats. This
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  Speaker 2: is a bill I've already put forward. Forty percent of
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  Speaker 2: the seats on corporate boards, ways to get more power
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  Speaker 2: back into the hands of workers. That's how we start
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  Speaker 2: to rewrite this economy. And I just keep working through
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  Speaker 2: that in every part of it. Taxes, progressive taxation. I
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  Speaker 2: put an ultra millionaires tax out, a proposal on this.
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  Speaker 2: Think about this. If we taxed people, families, that have
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  Speaker 2: more than $ 50 million in assets, if we charged them
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  Speaker 2: 2% a year and they put that back in the
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  Speaker 2: kitty to help build opportunity for everybody else, we could
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  Speaker 2: pay for universal childcare. We could bring down student loan debt.
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  Speaker 2: We could make a big down payment on a green
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  Speaker 2: new deal. we could make the investments that make this
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  Speaker 2: country work. And that's, that's for me, what this is
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  Speaker 2: all about.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but there wouldn't be a lot of investing in
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  Speaker 1: Nantucket summer houses. And I think that they need new
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  Speaker 1: decks and places to park boats and such. So staying
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  Speaker 1: along these lines, I mean, a lot of this 2020
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  Speaker 1: Democratic candidates support Medicare for all. I think it's sort
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  Speaker 1: of table stakes really in this race. Some people think. You,
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  Speaker 1: I think, Interestingly, you've said that there are a lot
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  Speaker 1: of paths to get to universal coverage, but there are
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  Speaker 1: some critics on the left, you see it a lot
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  Speaker 1: on Twitter, fun place to be, who vigorously disagree. They
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  Speaker 1: sincerely believe that a public option won't get us to
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  Speaker 1: universal care and that we need to eliminate private insurance
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  Speaker 1: to actually fix a broken healthcare system. Bernie Sanders, for example,
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  Speaker 1: told the New York Times that he thinks the only
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  Speaker 1: role for private insurance in the system he envisions would
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  Speaker 1: be cosmetic surgery. You want to get your nose fixed,
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  Speaker 1: something like that. Why do you disagree? with those who
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  Speaker 1: have a more draconian take on how to get to
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  Speaker 1: universal health care?
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  Speaker 2: So let me start by saying I believe in Medicare
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  Speaker 2: for all. I'm a co-sponsor on the bill. Yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 2: signed up for this. But remember, even the bill that
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  Speaker 2: Bernie has put on the table, has a lot of
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  Speaker 2: layering in over time. It doesn't just happen immediately. Nobody
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  Speaker 2: throws a light switch and says, we're there. It's got
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  Speaker 2: its ways of how we get some people, how we
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  Speaker 2: get some more people, how we get some more people,
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  Speaker 2: and by the way, how some people never end up
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  Speaker 2: in it. So, for example, veterans are kept in a
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  Speaker 2: different system. There's a question about how Medicaid gets brought
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  Speaker 2: into it. It's a big and complex system to be
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  Speaker 2: able to do this. And So there are folks who think,
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  Speaker 2: for example, one way you could layer this in is
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  Speaker 2: you could say, you know what? How about if we
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  Speaker 2: say Medicare now starts at 60 and then a year
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  Speaker 2: from now it starts at 55 and a year from
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  Speaker 2: now it starts at 50 and a year from now
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  Speaker 2: it starts at 45? Or how about we go the
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  Speaker 2: other way and we say everybody 30 and under is
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  Speaker 2: covered by Medicare and in another year, another two years,
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  Speaker 2: everybody 35 and under is covered by Medicare. How about
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  Speaker 2: if we let more of the population shift to Medicare
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  Speaker 2: immediately by letting employers buy directly and drop private insurance
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  Speaker 2: and put people into Medicare? How about if we let
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  Speaker 2: people individually be able to buy into Medicare instead of
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  Speaker 2: having private insurance? In fact, I'll tell you, I have
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  Speaker 2: a bill that I put out last year that Bernie
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  Speaker 2: is a co-sponsor on that says if you're going to
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  Speaker 2: have any private insurance, one of the provisions we ought
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  Speaker 2: to put into law right now is private insurance has
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  Speaker 2: to at least cover what Medicare covers. So that's what
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  Speaker 2: I mean by there are a lot of different paths,
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  Speaker 2: but we all know, or at least I know where
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  Speaker 2: we're aiming, and that is the center of this, where
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  Speaker 2: we're trying to head to, is that everyone has Medicare
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  Speaker 2: coverage and that Everyone in this country has coverage at
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  Speaker 2: a price they can afford. And let me just add
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  Speaker 2: on that how– think about what it means that Democrats
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  Speaker 2: are talking about, OK, is the way to get there
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  Speaker 2: that you do it? Bernie said, well, let's do it
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  Speaker 2: over four years. Other people say let's do it over
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  Speaker 2: six years. Some people say let's build up from Medicaid
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  Speaker 2: instead of from Medicare. Others say start with the young people,
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  Speaker 2: start with the older people. Lots of different ways. That's
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  Speaker 2: the conversation Democrats are having.
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  Speaker 1: You just reject this. It's all or nothing.
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  Speaker 2: Well, but here's my point. While the Republicans are out
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  Speaker 2: there at the same moment doing everything they can right
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  Speaker 2: now to take away health care from tens of millions
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  Speaker 2: of Americans. And, you know, they've still got the lawsuit
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  Speaker 2: pending down in Texas that they're trying to repeal all
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  Speaker 2: of the Affordable Care Act, the Medicaid. They're trying to
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  Speaker 2: cut Medicaid and they're doing everything they can. through HHS
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  Speaker 2: and the regulations around that to undercut it. So I
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  Speaker 2: think this is a great moment for what primaries are about,
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  Speaker 2: is to get the ideas out there, get a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people to talk about. But the point is to
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  Speaker 2: build the kind of energy, grassroots energy in this country
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  Speaker 2: for Medicare for all so that Democrats win 2020. We've
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  Speaker 2: got the House. We've got the Senate. We are ready
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  Speaker 2: to move forward and get everybody covered.
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  Speaker 1: It has been a very substantive primary so far.
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  Speaker 2: It has.
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  Speaker 1: Let's keep it that way. Other candidates listening.
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  Speaker 2: Not you.
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  Speaker 1: You've been perfect. So President Trump recently declared a national
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  Speaker 1: emergency on the southern border so that he can take
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of money from other places to pay for
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  Speaker 1: his stupid wall. there is no emergency. This is absurd.
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  Speaker 1: I think everyone knows that, including Mitch McConnell, even though
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  Speaker 1: he flip-flopped on it. But it's also clear to me,
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  Speaker 1: I think, that the Republicans aren't going to stop him.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Congress could block him in this instance, but
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  Speaker 1: it would require Republican votes. And I think we're all
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  Speaker 1: sick of waiting for them to be courageous. So I
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  Speaker 1: guess my question to you is, shouldn't Democrats say to Republicans,
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  Speaker 1: if you're not going to step up and protect the
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  Speaker 1: institution of Congress and enforce the old rules, then these
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  Speaker 1: are now the new rules, and that we're going to
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  Speaker 1: play by these rules when a Democrat is elected, and
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  Speaker 1: we fully intend to use a national emergency to advance
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  Speaker 1: Democratic priorities or things that are actually an emergency, like
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  Speaker 1: climate change.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, which is an emergency, right? We've got a lot
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  Speaker 2: of real emergencies. So here's how I see this. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not quite ready to give up the way you implied
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  Speaker 2: in that question.
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  Speaker 1: In that fight. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: In the following sense, there is no emergency at the border,
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  Speaker 2: so the facts are just wrong on this. So I
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  Speaker 2: could I don't think he has legal authority to do this.
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  Speaker 2: And he's not going to be able to do anything
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  Speaker 2: right now. As you know, 16 states have sued him.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to see a lot of– and that's just
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  Speaker 2: going to be the beginning of the lawsuits. This is
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  Speaker 2: going to be like full employment for lawyers who can
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  Speaker 2: spell constitution, right? But we're going to see a piling
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  Speaker 2: on of these lawsuits. Ultimately, the courts will settle out
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  Speaker 2: what is the legal authority here of the president of
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  Speaker 2: the United States. So– the threat here is not imminent.
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  Speaker 2: We can continue to have this constitutional debate around it.
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  Speaker 2: I think the president is wrong on this, but I
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  Speaker 2: do think it is a moment to talk about what
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  Speaker 2: you think a real emergency is. And to talk about
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  Speaker 2: that emergency in terms of trying to highlight for all
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  Speaker 2: of us, this is the responsibility of government. Government's job
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  Speaker 2: is to look out there and see what's coming. And
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  Speaker 2: Climate change is upon us. I'm going to say something
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  Speaker 2: really controversial here. I hope everybody listening be calm out there.
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  Speaker 2: This is controversial. I believe in science. And climate change
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  Speaker 2: is real. It's man-made. And we have got to act.
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  Speaker 2: We're running out of time on this, the urgency of
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  Speaker 2: the moment. And banging on that drum, I think, is
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  Speaker 2: critically important right now. And I want to say it,
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  Speaker 2: I want to do the emphasis on that in a
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  Speaker 2: big public sense again, because I see our opportunity in
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  Speaker 2: 2019 and, you know, up through November of 2020 as
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  Speaker 2: a chance to pull more people in on the core issues.
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  Speaker 2: And I think, look, I think the questions about the
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  Speaker 2: power of precedent are very, very important. Come on, I've
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  Speaker 2: I believe in this. But we've got to be out
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  Speaker 2: there talking to the American people about the stuff that
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  Speaker 2: touches their lives. We really do have to be talking
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  Speaker 2: about a government that's not working for them, talking about
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  Speaker 2: universal child care, talking about people who are just getting
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  Speaker 2: crushed by student loans, talking about the importance of raising
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  Speaker 2: the minimum wage and the opportunity to join a union,
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  Speaker 2: talking about climate change, talking about gun safety. talking about
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  Speaker 2: the things and making them real that affect people every
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  Speaker 2: single day and saying to them, hey, look, maybe you're
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  Speaker 2: already a Democrat, then you should be a fired up Democrat.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe you're an independent, but man, if you're worried about
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  Speaker 2: climate change or if you're worried about gun safety or
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  Speaker 2: if you're worried about your student loan debt or how
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  Speaker 2: you're going to get your kid in some kind of
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  Speaker 2: high quality affordable daycare, we are the party that who
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  Speaker 2: is working for you. We're the party who's trying. And
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  Speaker 2: that's our chance to rate back some of those Trump voters.
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  Speaker 2: I want us to use this period of time to
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  Speaker 2: build the grassroots movement. So when we win in 2020,
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  Speaker 2: we are ready to start making those changes.
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  Speaker 1: Look, I'm 100% with you. But I do think there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of Democrats out there who look at the
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  Speaker 1: past few years and are pissed off. They look at
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  Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell stealing a Supreme Court seat. They look at
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  Speaker 1: the way Trump right now is completely ignoring the Magnitsky
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  Speaker 1: Act requirements he has to report to Congress about whether
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  Speaker 1: he's going to sanction the Saudis for murdering a journalist.
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  Speaker 1: They're pissed off that he's using a national emergency declaration
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  Speaker 1: to take away from Congress its most clearly articulated power
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  Speaker 1: in the Constitution, which is the power of the purse.
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  Speaker 1: And so I think they're wondering, are Democrats, when we
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  Speaker 1: get power back, going to fight fire with fire, or
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  Speaker 1: are we going to try to return to norms and
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  Speaker 1: institutions that that seem a little passe, especially when you
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: have someone as craven as Mitch McConnell in charge for
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: the Republican side. I think that's sort of what I'm
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: trying to get at.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: So maybe the best place to look at that one,
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: how about if we do it in the specific around
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: when we think about the rules on voting, right? What's
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: going to take a 60-person majority? Are we really going
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: to have a fifth filibuster or are we going to
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: say 51? Now, I'm somebody who believed very, very strongly
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: in filibuster reform. I'm on the record on this. I
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: fought for it for a long time because the Republicans
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: completely blocked us, right? They weren't letting us put anybody
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: in the courts, but it was worse than that. Not worse,
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: equally bad. They also weren't letting us put anybody in
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: the consumer agency, so the agency couldn't get its legal,
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: full legal authority. NLRB, they're about to shut down the NLRB.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: And The answer to that, and I think it was
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: the right answer, was just to say we're done on
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: the filibuster. And I voted for it. I strongly supported it.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Harry blew it up.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Harry blew it up, and I think Harry was right
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: to blow it up. I strongly supported him when he
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: did that. Now the Republicans turn around, and they took
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: the filibuster and blew it up even more. So they
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: said even on a Supreme Court nominee, and we hadn't
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: even done anything yet, right? So first they steal a
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Supreme Court seat, then they turn around and change the
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: rules on filibuster on a Supreme Court seat. And so
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: when it swings back around to us, what are we
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: going to do? And my answer on that is all
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: the options are on the table, that that's how we
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: got to do this. If the Republicans are going to
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: try to block us on key pieces that we're trying
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: to move forward, then you better believe we got to
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: keep all the options on the table. And I think
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: that's the way we should be describing it right now
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: on everything that the Republicans are doing, that nobody's going
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: to forget what happened here and all the options are
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: on the table. We're not going to play, let them
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: play by one set of rules and then we play
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: by the, you know, polite everybody drinks tea and keeps
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: a curled pinky up while they do it. I'm just
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: not for that.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: On the Morning Joe civility rules. I like that answer
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: very much. turn to some foreign policy, if that's okay.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: I'm ready. Okay.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: So there is a humanitarian crisis in Venezuela. People are
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: literally starving to death. Hospitals don't have like gauze or band-aids,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: like the most basic supplies. The Trump administration has recognized
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: the National Assembly President Juan Guaido as the president and
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: encouraged a bunch of other countries to follow suit. And frankly,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: what was a pretty impressive diplomatic play by them. He
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: also sanctioned Venezuela's oil industry, which is a major step,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: which could cut off all their supply of dollars and
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: their ability to have an economy. Do you agree with
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: those two steps, recognizing Guaido and the sanctions on the
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: oil sector? And if so, I mean, how do we
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: back up a step as bold as saying there's a
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: new president and it's this guy that we named, especially
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: given our history in Latin America?
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: So I want to broaden this one out just a
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: little bit. Start with the fact that Maduro is obviously
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: a dictator. He's terrible. He's stolen this election. It's a nightmare.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: It's a nightmare for the people of Venezuela. So that's
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: part one. Part two, this notion of using our diplomatic tools,
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: I'm all for it. I think recognition, I think getting
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: our allies to do it, it's a way to bring
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: diplomatic pressure. Economic sanctions, yeah. I support economic sanctions, but
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: now we're going to start, we've got to turn the
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: dial some here. We have to offer humanitarian help at
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: the same time. We can't let people starve. It doesn't
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: matter that Maduro's willing to let his own people starve. So,
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: for example, let me pick one that's at least a
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: little easier to deal with. A lot of people are
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: fleeing the country. And that means they're loading up around
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: the borders, the countries around the borders, the social services
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: are under enormous strain, refugee camps are springing up. We
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: should be leading the international community to get help to
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: those people, to make sure that they've got food, they've
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: got medicine, they've got care. Frankly, that makes it easier
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: for people who are in Venezuela. They have fewer people
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: dividing the resources, more people seeing an option that if
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: they get out of the country, at least for a
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: period of time, and that puts more pressure on Maduro.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: The part you didn't talk about, though, and I just
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: think it's worth mentioning here, Trump did something else besides
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: doing the diplomatic recognition, because I'm all for the diplomatic
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: part of this. He also did a lot of saber rattling. Yes.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: And given America's history in South America, frankly, our history
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: all around the globe now, I think rattling sabers when
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: we should not be considering a military intervention is a
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: real mistake. I think that it causes the president to
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: burn the credibility of the United States and to remind
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: everyone of times when we have intervened. Yeah. That were
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: not only bad for our government, they were sure bad
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: for the local folks. So I think that our focus
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: should be on diplomatic and on humanitarian relief. And I
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: just have to emphasize this part again. I said it,
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: but I want to let it just go in passing.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Working with our allies. This is why we need allies.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: This notion now that Trump cozies up to Putin and
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Kim Jong-un and Xi and can't. get along with Canada.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, who can't get along with Merkel?
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Everybody likes Canada.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Exactly. And the Europeans that are allies, this, these are
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: the times that we should be working with our allies,
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: our European allies, our Canadian allies, our Asian allies to
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: move in and support together. That increases the pressure on Maduro. It, it, uh,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: It helps with humanitarian relief. And it undercuts any notion
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: that the United States is big footing around South America
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: or any other part.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Of the world.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: There's a reason we need our allies. And this is
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: one of those times. We need to work together. We'll
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: have a lot more diplomatic and economic power if we
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: do that. Agreed.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: The first bill that the Senate put forward was a
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: bill called S-1, which... Did a whole bunch of stuff.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: It was military support to Israel. I think it was
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: some policy towards Jordan, some additional sanctions in Syria. But
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: then there was a really controversial provision that would allow
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: state and municipal governments to punish companies that boycott, divest from,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: or place sanctions on Israel, the so-called BDS movement.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: The BDS.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Why did you oppose S1?
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: So I oppose the boycott, but I oppose a law
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: that permits punishment of people who want to support the boycott.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: This is one where I stand with the ACLU. I
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: just don't think we do that in the United States.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: I'm opposed. I opposed it when it came up earlier.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: I've spoken out against it. I've written letters on this.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's the place we go. I know
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: that Israel faces real challenges. So do the Palestinians. I
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: think the way we can be a good ally to
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Israel is we can push again toward a two-state solution,
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: toward a long-term solution in this area. And look, I
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: get it. Israel lives in a very dangerous part of
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: the world. It's a liberal democracy. We don't have a
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: lot of allies over there that follow the liberal democratic traditions.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: But a good ally urges friends. to get together and
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: work out a solution. And the Palestinians and the Israelis
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: need to be back at the negotiating table. The United
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: States should not be dictating terms. We should not be
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: putting shits on the table or taking them off. But
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: we should be pushing them to negotiate a two-state solution.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: So, totally agree. And, you know, President Obama spent a
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: lot of time pushing the Palestinians and the Israelis to
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: try to negotiate a Middle East peace process, a two-state solution. But,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: you know, one major sticking point in that peace process
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: has been Israeli settlement construction. And, you know, we put
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: a lot of, there were a lot of carrots. There
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: were a lot of things offered to Netanyahu, some that
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: haven't even been reported in terms of military hardware and
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: other incentives that come to the table. And they, to
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: their credit, the Israelis did have some settlement freezes and
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: the Palestinians refused to engage. But, you know, at this point, um,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: we're at a point where a lot of members of
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: the Likud party, Prime Minister Netanyahu's party, are talking about
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: annexing the West Bank. And it feels like the chance
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: for incentives to bring them to the table for a
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: two-state solution or to end settlement construction are unlikely to work.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: And I'm curious if you would consider a pressure track
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: that included some sort of punitive approach that might force
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: them into negotiations or to stop settlement construction.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: So let me say, I think We have to stop
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: to acknowledge what has changed during the Trump administration. The
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: pressure toward a two-state solution obviously has gone away. And
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: in fact, the whole publicly naming Jerusalem as the capital
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: and moving our embassy took one of the things that
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: should have been decided by the parties. It's not our decision.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: It's their decision and how they wanted to handle that.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: It made it very clear we're standing on one side
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: in these negotiations. And the problem with that is it
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: doesn't encourage negotiation.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: In fact, the Palestinians refused to talk since that happened.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: That's exactly right.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: To Jared's magical plan.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: There you go. Plus, the Israelis now have less incentive
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: to talk, right? That's a part of what's happening in this.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: So the way I see what you're talking about, as
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: you said, we have pushed it this far under the
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Obama administration, and now Trump has completely reversed it.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: I don't therefore draw the conclusion that what happened under
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: the Obama administration was never going to work, that you
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: couldn't keep pushing harder. Because over time, realities are bearing
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: down on Israel, demographic realities, births and deaths, what the
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: region looks like. And I think that this is a moment,
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: not while Trump is in there playing the game that
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: he's playing, but that the opportunity soon to get Israel
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: back to the table and get the If we, the
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: United States, can be an honest broker and can encourage, again,
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: other nations, other allies to help support that. I actually have.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Just a little spark of optimism.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Let's call it a glimmer. Can we start with glimmer?
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: I'm pro-hope. I'm pro-glimmer. But when I look at Israel,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: I look at Bibi Netanyahu putting up campaign signs that
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: feature big photos of him and President Trump. This weekend,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: he released a TV ad attacking his opponent, Benny Gantz,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: and accusing him of colluding with Obama behind his back.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: And it had this like grainy, darkened image of Obama.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: And I'm just wondering, does it worry you that such
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: a close ally has fully aligned with one political party,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: the Republican Party?
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Yes. No, this is the part. That's why I was
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: talking about the difference between the administrations. Yes.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: And I.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Honestly. I don't think this is good for Israel. I mean,
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: I think this is terrible for Israel and that that's
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: the direction he's going. Of course, also remember, you know,
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: he is under investigation, others in his administration, in his family.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Are we talking Netanyahu or Trump?
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sorry. Which one were we talking about? Yeah.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Sentence applies in both places, doesn't it? But I think
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: that is part of the point. Trump is not forever
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: and neither is Netanyahu.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Good point. Switching gears a little bit. So, I know
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: your brothers all served in the military.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: They did.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: And one flew combat missions in Vietnam. Did their service
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: shape how you view, let's say, the use of force
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: or the use of the military as president? And I guess,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: is there a post-World War II conflict that you look
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: at and you think that was a right, justified use
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: of military action?
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: That's an interesting question. Let me tell you how it shaped.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: I think it undoubtedly did. Mm-hmm. That I grew up,
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: because my brothers are all a lot older than I am.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: I grew up in the shadow of a family constantly
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: worried that one of my brothers wouldn't come home. That
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: Don Reed flew in Vietnam was obviously the main one.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: 288 combat missions.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: 288 combat missions? 288 combat missions. That's incredible.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Yes, it is. And to this day....
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: I feel my heart flutter when I say that. I
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: lived watching my mother always checking the mail. It was
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: always there. But I think of that in terms of
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: the very personal reminder both of the incredible bravery and
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: sacrifice of those who say, I'll put it on the line.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: Brother John was stationed in Morocco. It was much safer.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: It was at a different time, but still. He was far,
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: far away, couldn't come home for a year. There was
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: some shooting. And they have agreed. That's what they've agreed
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: to do. David, my youngest brother, trained as a combat medic.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Now it turned out he never had to be sent
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: to combat. So the first part of it for me
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: is the reminder that It is an extraordinary decision to
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: sign up for military service. And that means there is
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: a moral obligation incumbent on those who would send our
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: military into harm's way to make sure that it is
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: done for well-thought-out reasons.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: When truly our security and safety are on the line.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: Not just for politics, not just that it's got to
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: be real. And it's hard to find a place where
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: that's been the case.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Right. I mean, I think that's sort of what's driving it.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, we all know now that Iraq was sold
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: to the United States under false pretenses. But, you know,
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: if someone I loved had served in Vietnam, I It
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: would piss me off that the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: in 64 was forced through Congress under false pretenses. And
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: when Johnson and the administration figured out that there were
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: those false pretenses, that was never real to the American people.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: And they continue to use that authorization. So I was
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: curious if.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Well, it's when McNamara said.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: He knew that we'd lost, but he didn't pull out.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: And thousands and thousands of People continued to die. Young Americans, 18, 19,
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: 20 years old, had been sent over. And he later
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: claimed as part of his, you know, his great confession
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: that he knew it was lost. And yet he kept
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: sending our brothers, our sisters to die over there.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, that would piss me off. Well, you know,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: it's this defining moment in our history. I mean, Obama
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: was sort of a post-Vietnam president. But I think for
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: a lot of people who are in the military, there
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: are some who feel that Vietnam is an instance of
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: where we should have gone all in earlier and didn't
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: have the backbone to win the war, right? Like you
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: hear that from some parties. Others, I think you think,
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: how could we possibly trust our government when they tell
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: us why we're going into war? And I'm just curious, like,
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: if that experience, especially how personal it is for you,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: maybe makes you distrustful of some of the claims that
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: might be made for why we could go to a
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: war in Iran or whatever the next thing might be?
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: So I think of it as surely we have learned
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: our lesson that we need to ask the question once,
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: ask the question twice, look at the evidence over and
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: over and over before we move in. And Obviously, during
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: the George W. Bush administration, the whole weapons of mass
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: destruction was just made up. It was just a lie
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: to the American people. I think of this just a
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: little bit differently. And that is, if we're going to
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: use military force, that we need to be a whole
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: lot more thoughtful about what exactly we think military force is.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: can accomplish. You know, there's a big toolbox out there.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: And there's a lot of diplomatic tools in there. And
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of economic tools in there. Why military? Okay,
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: on the front. And then the question is, what's the
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: back end of this look like? So the military do
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: X and then what? And what do we expect to
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: have happen? Is it the military are going to go
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: this far and then economic support's going to move in
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: and it's going to cause something to happen or a
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: lot of diplomatic help. So for me, I think what
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: frustrates me, and it has in virtually every discussion about
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: using military force since I've been old enough to follow it,
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: is there's always a lot about the front end. Yes.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: And nothing about the middle and the back end. And
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: that that's how we end up in the endless war.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: of Afghanistan. That's how we end up. Yes, that's exactly right.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: And that can't be right. That cannot be our approach
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: going forward.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: We are running out of time, but you and Congressman
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: Adam Smith recently introduced legislation that says, quote, it is
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: the policy of the United States to not use nuclear
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: weapons first.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: Close quotes. A very brief, but very important piece of legislation.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: And I think a conversation that, again, unfortunately, isn't just
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: academic is Everyone knows we use nuclear weapons in World
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: War II, but that didn't swear us off using them, right?
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, Truman debated using nuclear weapons during Korea. Eisenhower
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: was telling Johnson to use them in Vietnam. Westmoreland was
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: talking about it with a working group. We are planning
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: to spend a trillion dollars on nuclear weapons to upgrade
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: our arsenal. Why did you think it was important to
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: put this policy forward? Because you also noticed you put
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: it in your foreign policy speech, and it jumped out
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: at me.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: That's right. In fact, I didn't hide this. This is
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: right out front. And I'll tell you exactly why. It's
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: because we're having a conversation in the U.S. Senate right now.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: I sit on Senate Armed Services about usable nuclear weapons.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: Tactical, strategic nukes.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Use all those fancy words because they're euphemisms. And it's, oh,
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: we want nuclear weapons so we can totally blow up
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: a city. But not the entire country around it. And
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: that would mean usable just by definition means more likely
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: to use. And that that's been the push from the
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Trump administration and the Republicans jumping up and down for this.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: I think that we need to have a conversation about
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: nuclear weapons. And I think we need to make clear.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: there is a real risk to that kind of conversation
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: and that kind of move in our nuclear arsenal. If
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: we are out there saying, yeah, we could be first
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: use country, the odds that something goes wrong in the
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: next big crisis and someone miscalculates a signal that we've
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: sent or missiles that are conventional weapon that we have sent,
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: That we have increased the odds of a nuclear holocaust.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: Global annihilation, yeah.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Final question for you. So Massachusetts, our home state, we've
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: produced a lot of winners.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: We have.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: We have the Patriots, we have the Red Sox, we
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: have the Celtics, even the Bruins. Everyone in the room
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: now hates me. We've had less luck with presidential candidates, Dukakis, Kerry, Romney,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: Ted Kennedy, kinda, and 80.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Excuse me, can I just stop you right there? John F. Kennedy.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: I know, I know. If we go back a little further,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: we had one serious badass, but- Why are you the Massachusetts,
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: I guess, Bay Stater?
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: Bay Stater.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: Whatever we say. Who can put it over the top?
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Look, for me, this isn't about politics. It just never was.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: This is my life's work. And it grows out of
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: who I am. I am the daughter of a janitor
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: who got a chance to be a public school teacher,
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: to be a college professor, to be a United States senator,
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: and now to be a candidate for president of the
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: United States. Because America invested in a college education for
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: a kid like me. Because America set the minimum wage
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: at a place where my family could survive and didn't
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: lose its home and get tossed out on the street.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: I believe in an America that recognizes the value of
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: every kid. That's our best statement of who we want
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: to be. I look around and see this government. that
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: just works great for those at the top. I want
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: to make this government work great for everyone else. That's
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: why I'm in it.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: All right. Senator Warren, thank you so much for coming.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: I won't tell the other guys that you said Luca
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: is the best, and we can clearly hear Pundit barking
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: as the interview careens to a close.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: Yes, well, Bailey loves it all. He's a dog.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Thank you again.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: He's a good dog.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: He's a very good dog. Thank you.