Latest / V / How Based Gen Z Men Are Shaping the New Right: Evita + John Doyle (Ep.111) - 12/30/2024

Transcript

How Based Gen Z Men Are Shaping the New Right: Evita + John Doyle (Ep.111) - 12/30/2024 · V

• 0:10
  Speaker 1: Welcome to Bongina Report Early Edition. Today is a special
• 0:13
  Speaker 1: episode because I am joined by Don John Doyle, who
• 0:17
  Speaker 1: is the host of the YouTube channel Peck Off Commie. John,
• 0:21
  Speaker 1: thank you so much for being here.
• 0:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for having me.
• 0:24
  Speaker 1: So I was just saying before we started that I've
• 0:27
  Speaker 1: been listening to your show for a couple years now.
• 0:29
  Speaker 1: The first video that I saw was your fascinating take
• 0:32
  Speaker 1: on Disney's classic Beauty and the Beast movie. And the
• 0:36
  Speaker 1: spoiler for you guys listening is that John is on
• 0:38
  Speaker 1: the side of Gaston, which is a unique take to
• 0:42
  Speaker 1: say the least. So I hope we get into that.
• 0:44
  Speaker 1: But I think, John, what I would really describe you as,
• 0:47
  Speaker 1: and you can tell me if I'm right or not,
• 0:49
  Speaker 1: but is a happy warrior. You're somebody who is a
• 0:52
  Speaker 1: perpetual optimist for the Trump movement, for saving America, opposing neo-Marxism.
• 0:59
  Speaker 1: And I think one of the biggest indicators that you're
• 1:02
  Speaker 1: justified in that optimism is the way that Trump has
• 1:06
  Speaker 1: captured young people and young men specifically. Shockingly, the snowflake
• 1:12
  Speaker 1: generation is trending politically right. So what's happening, John? How
• 1:19
  Speaker 1: do you explain this political shift in young people?
• 1:22
  Speaker 2: Well, you're absolutely right about that. I mean, I like
• 1:24
  Speaker 2: to think of myself as a happy warrior.
• 1:26
  Speaker 3: And in a way, I think I can only give
• 1:27
  Speaker 3: myself permission to identify as such because of Donald Trump.
• 1:31
  Speaker 3: You know, when I was 15 years old, that's when
• 1:33
  Speaker 3: Trump descended from the golden escalator and announced that he
• 1:36
  Speaker 3: wanted to make America great again.
• 1:38
  Speaker 2: And had that not happened, I don't think I would
• 1:40
  Speaker 2: have ever.
• 1:40
  Speaker 3: Had any involvement in politics beyond just like reluctantly checking
• 1:44
  Speaker 3: R for whichever neocon we were supposed to get excited
• 1:46
  Speaker 3: about every four years. But because of Trump's candidacy and
• 1:49
  Speaker 3: his ability to like literally wrestle control of the party
• 1:52
  Speaker 3: away from all of these establishment types and make it
• 1:54
  Speaker 3: into something that actually reflects the will of its voters.
• 1:57
  Speaker 3: I'm greatly optimistic about Trump and the future of the
• 2:00
  Speaker 3: movement and everything. I don't think that you could pay
• 2:02
  Speaker 3: attention and not be. I understand that the day-to-day can
• 2:05
  Speaker 3: get a little chaotic and tumultuous sometimes, but if you
• 2:08
  Speaker 3: zoom out, look at the five-year trend, 10-year trend, we're
• 2:11
  Speaker 3: headed in the right direction for the first time in
• 2:13
  Speaker 3: our lifetime, I think.
• 2:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree with that. To your point, John, again,
• 2:19
  Speaker 1: so many young people and young men are rejecting leftism
• 2:23
  Speaker 1: en masse. I think a huge part of that has
• 2:25
  Speaker 1: to do with the fact that that we've been through
• 2:27
  Speaker 1: the ringer with leftism. I mean, we know people who
• 2:31
  Speaker 1: have transitioned and who have fallen down really dark rabbit holes.
• 2:36
  Speaker 3: And I.
• 2:38
  Speaker 1: Think because we've seen the worst of it, you're seeing
• 2:41
  Speaker 1: a cultural revolt against the status quo, which was the
• 2:46
  Speaker 1: safe spaces on college campuses, the gender, queer, fluid identities,
• 2:51
  Speaker 1: the mental illness, even the physical weakness among young people.
• 2:56
  Speaker 1: You described yourself during a 2023 Women's March rally as
• 3:02
  Speaker 1: an alarmingly far-right young male. And it's one of my
• 3:06
  Speaker 1: favorite videos on the internet. Mikey, let's play that, and
• 3:09
  Speaker 1: then I'm gonna get your reaction, John.
• 3:10
  Speaker 2: My name is John Doyle. Hey, Joe. What are you
• 3:14
  Speaker 2: doing out here?
• 3:15
  Speaker 3: I'm protesting the protest.
• 3:17
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 3:17
  Speaker 3: So I'm like a very alarmingly far-right young man.
• 3:20
  Speaker 2: I don't believe in voting. I don't believe in women's rights.
• 3:23
  Speaker 2: So we're out here basically... mogging on them because.
• 3:26
  Speaker 3: It's hilarious that they can't kill their kids on demand anymore.
• 3:28
  Speaker 2: It's very personally funny to me. What can you say
• 3:32
  Speaker 2: in a nutshell? Why are you here?
• 3:35
  Speaker 3: Well, I didn't really have much else better to do,
• 3:37
  Speaker 3: and this is pretty important, so I thought that I
• 3:40
  Speaker 3: should come down and demoralize people who basically sacrificed the
• 3:43
  Speaker 3: unborn to Malik.
• 3:46
  Speaker 1: I love sacrificing the unborn to Malik because that's exactly
• 3:49
  Speaker 1: what's happening. I don't think people recognize the spiritual aspect
• 3:53
  Speaker 1: of abortion enough, But I want to get your take.
• 3:57
  Speaker 1: What do you mean by alarmingly far right young man?
• 4:00
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's.
• 4:01
  Speaker 3: Nothing to actually raise alarms over. I think I got
• 4:04
  Speaker 3: that term from earlier in the afternoon. We were walking
• 4:06
  Speaker 3: and there were these feminist women who were kind of like,
• 4:08
  Speaker 3: because we were in D.C.
• 4:09
  Speaker 2: And they were sort of walking near us.
• 4:11
  Speaker 3: And I think at some point a conversation struck up
• 4:13
  Speaker 3: and they asked us what we were doing because we
• 4:15
  Speaker 3: had like, you know, recording equipment. And we said we're
• 4:18
  Speaker 3: interviewing people and they're like, oh, are you Democrats or Republicans?
• 4:20
  Speaker 3: And I just said, oh, I'm like an alarmingly far
• 4:22
  Speaker 3: right young man because I just wanted to like watch
• 4:24
  Speaker 3: their face like shrivel up like a prune. I want
• 4:27
  Speaker 3: them to know that everything that MSNBC says we are,
• 4:30
  Speaker 3: we're even worse, like worse than they could ever imagine.
• 4:33
  Speaker 3: And the reason for that is simply that everything we
• 4:35
  Speaker 3: believe is normal and it was considered normal until like
• 4:37
  Speaker 3: five minutes ago. And it's not my fault that half
• 4:39
  Speaker 3: the country has been propagandized into literally like not being
• 4:42
  Speaker 3: able to get through the day without a Prozac if
• 4:44
  Speaker 3: they find out that like Trump's going to be back
• 4:45
  Speaker 3: in the White House or something. So I do get
• 4:47
  Speaker 3: a little bit of joy out of simply being like
• 4:50
  Speaker 3: saying things that I know are going to offend them,
• 4:53
  Speaker 3: but in a much more real sense, it's like, I'm
• 4:55
  Speaker 3: aligned with reality.
• 4:56
  Speaker 2: You are not.
• 4:57
  Speaker 3: I have a right to say these things just as
• 4:58
  Speaker 3: every other American did for like every generation in this
• 5:01
  Speaker 3: country's history. And just because for one or two generations,
• 5:04
  Speaker 3: these people have become insane. I mean, that doesn't mean
• 5:06
  Speaker 3: that it's our problem. So am I alarmingly far right?
• 5:10
  Speaker 3: Like probably, but also, I mean, who among us is
• 5:13
  Speaker 3: not in the country's history?
• 5:15
  Speaker 1: So, you know, I think it's funny because in their opinion,
• 5:20
  Speaker 1: you would be considered alarmingly far right in the opinion
• 5:23
  Speaker 1: of a host at MSNBC or a college professor. But
• 5:26
  Speaker 1: in reality, you're right. It's just common sense. And I
• 5:30
  Speaker 1: do think that there's a joy that a lot of
• 5:33
  Speaker 1: young men have in trolling, in giving the middle finger
• 5:39
  Speaker 1: to all the people who have been sort of, I think,
• 5:42
  Speaker 1: oppressive ever since. I mean, if you're an 18-year-old male today,
• 5:45
  Speaker 1: you were 11 during Me Too, your entire life you've
• 5:47
  Speaker 1: been told that you are a problem, that you're, you know,
• 5:52
  Speaker 1: a leech on society, that somehow your masculinity is toxic.
• 5:56
  Speaker 1: And at the same time, young women seem to be
• 6:00
  Speaker 1: embracing a much more radical form of leftism. So there
• 6:05
  Speaker 1: is a growing divide politically between young men and young women.
• 6:09
  Speaker 1: And I don't want you to get personal in any way,
• 6:11
  Speaker 1: but do you notice among your friends that it's hard
• 6:15
  Speaker 1: for for young men to date young women in this environment.
• 6:20
  Speaker 2: I'll get personal if you want we can give the people.
• 6:22
  Speaker 3: The highbrow content that they came for you know it's
• 6:25
  Speaker 3: actually among the guys I hang out with I haven't
• 6:27
  Speaker 3: noticed it but I noticed it a lot in high
• 6:29
  Speaker 3: school which was very weird because it was less political
• 6:32
  Speaker 3: but also I mean every guy that I hung out
• 6:34
  Speaker 3: with was like a normal guy relatively good looking funny
• 6:37
  Speaker 3: but half my friends never even had like a homecoming
• 6:39
  Speaker 3: date or a prom date I thought.
• 6:40
  Speaker 2: That was really weird. And I guess that's common for
• 6:42
  Speaker 2: our generation. Like people just don't go on dates anymore
• 6:45
  Speaker 2: in general.
• 6:46
  Speaker 3: And maybe it's nice to ascribe politics to that because
• 6:49
  Speaker 3: it's if you if you say it's because of politics,
• 6:51
  Speaker 3: that implies like, OK, at some point we're going to
• 6:53
  Speaker 3: have to set our differences aside and get together and
• 6:55
  Speaker 3: start a family. But what if it's just because we're
• 6:57
  Speaker 3: like antisocial freaks? Well, then it's like, OK, that's a
• 6:59
  Speaker 3: much more difficult solution, whether that's because we were glued
• 7:02
  Speaker 3: to screens for our developmental years. Or we've been taking
• 7:04
  Speaker 3: prescription medication that's made us into zombies. Our hormones are
• 7:07
  Speaker 3: imbalanced because of poisons in the food. But in terms
• 7:10
  Speaker 3: of politics and dating, I actually find it the opposite.
• 7:14
  Speaker 3: I think that it's very fun to date liberal women.
• 7:17
  Speaker 3: Because even if you say your most extreme right-wing opinion,
• 7:21
  Speaker 3: they're actually sort of endeared by it. And what they
• 7:24
  Speaker 3: really hate is the sort of apathy. You'll see all
• 7:26
  Speaker 3: the time on Twitter, girls will post screenshots of their
• 7:29
  Speaker 3: conversations and dating apps with guys. And they'll be making
• 7:32
  Speaker 3: fun of them because what they're doing is like, oh,
• 7:36
  Speaker 3: what do you think about this political issue? And the guy,
• 7:38
  Speaker 3: because he's scared to stand up for himself, will be like, oh,
• 7:40
  Speaker 3: I'm sort of a moderate and just like kind of
• 7:42
  Speaker 3: beat around the bush. But I think if you have
• 7:44
  Speaker 3: conviction in either direction, women are probably going to be
• 7:48
  Speaker 3: in favor of that. Not very long, though, if you're
• 7:50
  Speaker 3: a convicted leftist, because I mean, like, what does that
• 7:53
  Speaker 3: even mean? You think equality for all is like cool?
• 7:55
  Speaker 2: Do you think that excites women? No. So I haven't
• 7:59
  Speaker 2: really noticed a problem.
• 8:01
  Speaker 1: Confidence. I think, I think you're right. I think women
• 8:02
  Speaker 1: are attracted to confidence. And I do, I did know
• 8:05
  Speaker 1: a lot of young men in college who tried to self-censor,
• 8:11
  Speaker 1: who would couch, you know, their, their, their political beliefs
• 8:15
  Speaker 1: when they were in the presence of women, because they want,
• 8:17
  Speaker 1: they thought that that would attract a woman, that that would,
• 8:19
  Speaker 1: you know, give them an in. And I think it
• 8:22
  Speaker 1: just sort of made them look weak, you know, made
• 8:26
  Speaker 1: them look like somebody who was who was hiding what
• 8:28
  Speaker 1: they really thought, which is not something that women are
• 8:30
  Speaker 1: attracted to. I think you're right. Women are attracted to conviction.
• 8:33
  Speaker 1: They are attracted to confidence. So you are an optimist
• 8:38
  Speaker 1: about the Trump movement. You have a lot of confidence
• 8:42
  Speaker 1: in what the future of America looks like. And you
• 8:48
  Speaker 1: have been critical of people who have been critical of
• 8:52
  Speaker 1: this new Trump admin, that there are liberals, you have
• 8:54
  Speaker 1: RFK Jr., you have Tulsi Gabbard, which by the way,
• 8:56
  Speaker 1: I love those two people. I don't agree with them
• 9:00
  Speaker 1: on issues like abortion, for instance. And I know that
• 9:03
  Speaker 1: you're a Christian. I think you're a Catholic, if I'm
• 9:06
  Speaker 1: right about that.
• 9:07
  Speaker 2: That is true.
• 9:09
  Speaker 1: Do you think that this movement can succeed without being
• 9:12
  Speaker 1: explicitly Christian? Is it not essential for the populist new
• 9:17
  Speaker 1: right to be Christian in order to be successful?
• 9:21
  Speaker 3: Well, I would like to think that it would be.
• 9:24
  Speaker 3: And that is something that matters a lot to me, obviously,
• 9:26
  Speaker 3: as a Catholic. But I'm disappointed at the leadership among
• 9:29
  Speaker 3: Christians in general, not so much Catholics particularly. I mean,
• 9:33
  Speaker 3: Catholics are pretty bad with issues if you just like pull,
• 9:36
  Speaker 3: you know, the churchgoers. But what I've seen from a
• 9:39
  Speaker 3: lot of the Christian right is sort of this mistake
• 9:42
  Speaker 3: strategically where they have alienated people who are not Christians
• 9:47
  Speaker 3: with the issues that matter to them. And so like,
• 9:49
  Speaker 3: for example, Donald Trump, Donald Trump made a promise. He
• 9:52
  Speaker 3: actually made three promises to the pro-life movement when he
• 9:54
  Speaker 3: ran in 2016. He said that he was going to
• 9:56
  Speaker 3: appoint pro-life justices who would overturn Roe v. Wade, which
• 9:59
  Speaker 3: by the way, is actually more pro-life in rhetoric than
• 10:02
  Speaker 3: even George Bush would say. When George Bush was campaigning
• 10:05
  Speaker 3: for president and he was asked that question, what are
• 10:07
  Speaker 3: you going to do about the Supreme Court, he said
• 10:09
  Speaker 3: something like.
• 10:10
  Speaker 2: I'm going to appoint textualists. It's like, okay, I know
• 10:14
  Speaker 2: what that means as a Republican voter.
• 10:16
  Speaker 3: But, I mean, Trump gets out there and just straight
• 10:18
  Speaker 3: up says, yeah, I'm going to appoint pro-life justice.
• 10:20
  Speaker 2: We're going to overturn Roe v.
• 10:21
  Speaker 3: Wade. And he actually does it. So when he says
• 10:23
  Speaker 3: he's the most pro-life president in history, I mean, that's true.
• 10:25
  Speaker 3: He delivered on all those promises, overturned Roe, overturned Casey,
• 10:28
  Speaker 3: gives it back to the states, which I've got books
• 10:30
  Speaker 3: on my bookshelf that were written 30 years ago. Or
• 10:33
  Speaker 3: five years ago, and all of them about the pro-life
• 10:35
  Speaker 3: cause are saying, okay, we have to get it overturned,
• 10:37
  Speaker 3: give it back to the states, and then state-level organizations
• 10:39
  Speaker 3: can go after it.
• 10:41
  Speaker 2: That just sort of hasn't happened so much.
• 10:43
  Speaker 3: I mean, they've got these ballot referendums and different things
• 10:45
  Speaker 3: like that, and they're just failing at the state level,
• 10:47
  Speaker 3: which is a tragedy. But ultimately, that seems to be
• 10:49
  Speaker 3: more the fault of state leadership, local leadership, than it
• 10:52
  Speaker 3: is Donald Trump. And so I was witnessing this very
• 10:54
  Speaker 3: disingenuous campaign where you've got all of these people who
• 10:58
  Speaker 3: are coming out of the woodwork right before an election,
• 11:01
  Speaker 3: the man's getting shot at, he's facing being in prison
• 11:03
  Speaker 3: for the rest of his life, and they think that
• 11:05
  Speaker 3: now is the time to be like, Donald Trump, why
• 11:08
  Speaker 3: don't you support a federal abortion ban?
• 11:10
  Speaker 2: Are you not a real Christian?
• 11:11
  Speaker 3: And it's like, I understand what you're saying, I appreciate
• 11:13
  Speaker 3: the sentiment behind it, but this is just simply not
• 11:15
  Speaker 3: the time. And what was scary to me is it's like, okay,
• 11:18
  Speaker 3: if we have all of these American Christians being represented
• 11:21
  Speaker 3: by that leadership, which is acting, frankly, irresponsibly, what happens
• 11:25
  Speaker 3: if Trump wins? What happens if all of these Christian
• 11:28
  Speaker 3: leaders have become a thorn in Trump's side? Now he
• 11:31
  Speaker 3: wins without their support. Well, now he can kind of
• 11:34
  Speaker 3: tell himself, okay, well, I don't really need them, do I?
• 11:36
  Speaker 3: I don't really need to pay those dividends. I kept
• 11:39
  Speaker 3: my promises to them in 2016. They spat in my
• 11:41
  Speaker 3: face in 2024. Why do I have to listen to them?
• 11:44
  Speaker 3: So I think it should be Christian, but I think
• 11:46
  Speaker 3: that the Christian leaders really need to think about extending
• 11:49
  Speaker 3: an olive branch and not just trying to burn every bridge,
• 11:52
  Speaker 3: thinking pragmatically about things as opposed to just waving their
• 11:55
  Speaker 3: finger in someone's face and then going and getting picked
• 11:57
  Speaker 3: up by their black car and going back to.
• 11:59
  Speaker 2: Their four-star hotel. And that's the other thing.
• 12:00
  Speaker 3: I mean, people were releasing the tax returns of a
• 12:02
  Speaker 3: lot of these organizations. It's a very lucrative job if
• 12:05
  Speaker 3: you can get it. You just show up, speak into
• 12:08
  Speaker 3: a microphone, say that we have to do the right thing.
• 12:10
  Speaker 3: And this guy says we don't have to do the
• 12:12
  Speaker 3: right thing.
• 12:13
  Speaker 2: Boo.
• 12:13
  Speaker 3: And you get paid like $ 300, 000 a year. But you're
• 12:16
  Speaker 3: not actually moving the ball down the field. If you
• 12:17
  Speaker 3: want to do that, you have to achieve political office.
• 12:20
  Speaker 3: And we know as Christians, the world has fallen. The
• 12:22
  Speaker 3: country's fallen. You're not going to win on like a
• 12:25
  Speaker 3: Mike Huckabee, who I think is a great guy. But
• 12:26
  Speaker 3: you're not going to win on like the Mike Huckabee
• 12:28
  Speaker 3: pitch of like, hey, let's just make America as Christian
• 12:29
  Speaker 3: as possible. Because people have their souls corroded. And so
• 12:32
  Speaker 3: they're going to reject that. And unfortunately, again, like I
• 12:35
  Speaker 3: said in the clip, not a fan of democracy. But unfortunately,
• 12:38
  Speaker 3: in order to get political power, you do need the
• 12:40
  Speaker 3: support of the masses to win elections.
• 12:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's a very strategic approach to politics,
• 12:45
  Speaker 1: which I appreciate. I mean, my dad was a member
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: of Congress for years before, and there were pro-lifers. And
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: my dad is very, very pro-life. He's Catholic. It's, you know,
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: from conception till natural death. This is how he views it.
• 12:57
  Speaker 1: This is how we view it. But there were people
• 12:59
  Speaker 1: who said, oh, well, if you won't, you know, sign
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: off on this ban or this ban, then that means
• 13:05
  Speaker 1: that somehow you're not pro-life. And his plan was always,
• 13:09
  Speaker 1: you know, to move the needle little by little and
• 13:12
  Speaker 1: to actually make headway, to be in the camp instead
• 13:15
  Speaker 1: of outside and just perpetually losing. I don't want to
• 13:19
  Speaker 1: get ahead of this Trump admin because there's so much
• 13:23
  Speaker 1: to be, again, optimistic about, to be excited about. But
• 13:27
  Speaker 1: Trump's not a young man, and he's also not a dictator.
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: He's not going to be here forever. And as a
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: young person, you're a young person as well, we're looking
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: at the long game here. We're going to be in
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: this movement for a long time. How do you think
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: we survive without Trump's leadership? Because inevitably, we're not going
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: to have it forever.
• 13:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 13:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that we just have to continue along
• 13:47
  Speaker 3: the vector that he set.
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: And I think J.D. Vance presents the most obvious opportunity
• 13:51
  Speaker 2: to do that right now. I think he's been great.
• 13:52
  Speaker 2: I think he's been impressive.
• 13:55
  Speaker 3: Whereas, you know, two years ago, I love the governorship
• 13:57
  Speaker 3: of Ron DeSantis. I think he's done a great job
• 13:59
  Speaker 3: in Florida. However, two years ago, he decided that he
• 14:02
  Speaker 3: was going to try to go with the king and
• 14:04
  Speaker 3: take the torch away from him prematurely. And he was
• 14:07
  Speaker 3: getting into bed with all of these like neocon donors.
• 14:10
  Speaker 3: He was being propped up by all of the formerly
• 14:13
  Speaker 3: never Trump media outlets. And they were really trying to
• 14:15
  Speaker 3: get this guy off the ground and saying, look, it's Trump,
• 14:18
  Speaker 3: but effective. It's Trump, but without the baggage. And that's
• 14:21
  Speaker 3: just a misunderstanding of politics in general, because the only
• 14:24
  Speaker 3: reason Trump has baggage is because the media creates that
• 14:27
  Speaker 3: in the minds of the public. I mean, we could
• 14:29
  Speaker 3: if we went through any member of Congress with a
• 14:31
  Speaker 3: fine tooth comb, you're going to find things that are
• 14:33
  Speaker 3: a lot worse than like business improprieties or or maybe
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: alleged affairs with women.
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: These are horrible people. These are scum.
• 14:40
  Speaker 3: Trump has been under the microscope for 10 years, and
• 14:42
  Speaker 3: all they have is he didn't fill out some paperwork properly.
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: It's like, okay, who cares?
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: So I was seeing stuff like that, and I was like, okay,
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: this is bad. This is sort of the effort of
• 14:50
  Speaker 3: the GOP swamp to kind of be a chameleon and
• 14:54
  Speaker 3: reestablish itself after Trump, try to take Trump out before
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: he's retired from politics. So I didn't like that. And
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: the reason, not even aside from the politics, is because
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: you could see how it affects like the candidate and
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: what they're talking about. Like DeSantis, for example, had come
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: out against supporting the Ukrainian war effort. And then a
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: couple of days later, he had to walk that back,
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: presumably because he had.
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: A meeting with a donor or something.
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: And it's like, look, Again, great job in Florida, but
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: if you're talking about the national beast, you need somebody
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: in there who's independent, who can't be bought, who has
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: no incentive, and frankly, who has a sort of vendetta
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: against those kinds of people. And Trump is a great
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: example of that, and I think J.D. Vance could be
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: as well. So as long as it's continuing on the
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: vector that Trump set, where we're putting America first, we're
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: not worrying about these other issues.
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: I'm fine with it.
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: But if you're going to have somebody in there who's
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: just like another neocon, but then they say, oh, OK,
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: you just want us to be a little bit meaner
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: to Washington elites and then maybe talk a little bit
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: more about industrial policy. It's like, yes, I mean, Trump
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: does that. But that's not why we like Trump. We
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: like Trump simply because he pledged to put America first.
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: And until someone else is willing to make that pledge
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: and is capable of executing on it to the degree
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: that Trump is, then it's still going to be Trump's
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: Trump's crown to wear.
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, DeSantis is an interesting point because I live in
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: Florida now. I didn't before. I lived in Wisconsin. I
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: like DeSantis. He's a great governor. I never felt like
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: it was his time because the 2020 election was stolen.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, where did those 20 million votes go? And
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: even if you don't want to talk about the mass
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: mail-in balloting, we had the Russia collusion hoax. We had
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: the Hunter Biden laptop cover-up. This was the deep state
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: rigging this election against Trump. And the people felt that
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: it was rigged against him, that it was stolen from him.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: And it was not even mentally time for us to
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: move on from Trump considering the injustice of 2020. And
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: you had, I think you're right, all the worst people
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: suddenly crowding around DeSantis, who again, I think is a
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: good guy, but then it kind of destroyed anything that
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: he stood for, any sort of, excitement around whatever movement
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: he was trying to create because he surrounded himself with
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: the worst people. And speaking of the worst people, John,
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: you have done an entire video on theater kids occupying
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: the government, which I think is hilarious. And we have
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: a good example of this because Katonji Brown Jackson recently
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: starred in a, of course, a Supreme Court justice, starred
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: in a Broadway play, a queer Broadway play. Mikey, can
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: we play a video of that so everybody can know
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: what we're talking about?
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: Male empowerment.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: Sick.
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: I like it too.
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: I think what I like about it is that I
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: am having a very strongly negative reaction to it. like
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: I hate it, which makes me think it must be brilliant.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: Okay, John, why is it a problem that theater kids
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: are occupying the government?
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: That is an excellent question.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: It's simply a problem because they're soulless. I mean, maybe
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: this is a younger generation thing. Like when I tried
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: to explain this to my dad, he wasn't sure what
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: I meant. But for those unfamiliar, the theater kids are
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: the kids you meet in middle school and in high
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: school who are all involved in like the stage production. Now,
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: that's fine by itself. I have no issue with that.
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: But they tend to act a certain way. They never
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: shut up. They're always singing and dancing and being flamboyant
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: in class throughout the hallways. And then these are the
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: kids who go on to like intern at the Hill. And,
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: you know, they love Veep. They love West Wing, all
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: this stuff. These are the people who occupy our political class.
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: They're not particularly exceptional in any way. They're not intelligent
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: or talented or competent. They're basically just like these drones
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: who like the idea of being involved in the political process.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: They love the image of it.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: You know, so often we hear about, like, follow the money,
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: it's corrupt. I mean, if you've ever spent any time
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: in D.C., everybody in D.C. is on like poverty wages.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: They're all starving. They all have horrible health habits.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: But they do it anyway just for the idea, just
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: for being able to tell themselves, well, I'm in D.C.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: I'm near the levers of power. And they really just
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: like get off on that. And because they have no
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: other satisfaction in their lives, something.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: To derive meaning from.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: They are willing to pledge allegiance to the system that
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: gives them that validation, which is the deep state. They're
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: willing to be puppets for that, servants for that, whatever.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: It's not even really a conscious thing.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: It's almost like a sort of Pavlovian sense where they
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: will just pursue what gives them the reward without even
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: consciously thinking about it. And they're also incessantly annoying. And
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: so I would almost be okay with it if they
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: just kept their mouth shut, but it's because they're so
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: annoying and they always have to make it into this
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: big spectacle for themselves.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: That it's very annoying.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: And you see this with Gretchen Whitmer, Kamala Harris, AOC,
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: is maybe the quintessential example of the theater kid, but
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: they're all basically like this. A bunch of like Sort
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: of middle intelligent, not quite stupid, not quite smart, just
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: total just mediocrity. And then they go and they occupy
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: government because it makes them feel better than everybody who
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: they went to high school with, who thought they were annoying.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: And this is like what drives them for the rest
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: of their life. I mean, that's if you zoom out
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: from that, you can pretty much explain all of the
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: behavior in Washington, D.C., especially from like the ascendant young
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: activist class.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'd describe them as chronic attention seekers.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: These are just people that are completely self-obsessed. They always
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: need to be in the limelight and they shouldn't be
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: because they're running the country into the ground. I think
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: that's something that you do really well, John. You're somebody
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: that kind of takes these cultural terms like theater kids
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: and you explain them to the masses, you explain them
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: to some of the older generation, which we have a
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: lot of of boomers and Gen Xers and even some
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: older millennials who listen to this show, which I think
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: they'll appreciate. I want you to explain to the viewers neo-Guestonists.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: What is a neo-Guestonist? Explain to me your epic take
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: on Beauty and the Beast.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: Well, it's essentially that when I was a child and
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: I was watching Beauty and the Beast, you're very able
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: to follow along with the narrative that Disney wants you
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: to believe because they're introducing you to certain characters at
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: certain times in the story. And you get to see
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: certain characters in certain situations.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: And others not.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: And so you kind of walk away with it. OK,
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: you know, it's a good story. It's a happy ending
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: and everything. And then I watched it again when I
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: was like 21 because I was with a young lady
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: and she wanted to watch a Disney movie.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: And I was like, OK. And so we're watching Beauty
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: and the Beast.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: And I see Belle and she's going through the village
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: and she's singing about how there must be something more
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: than this, this silly life. And she's looking at mothers
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: carrying children and she's like scoffing at them.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: And she's smart. She reads books.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: And I'm watching this. I'm like about to vomit. And
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: then Gaston shows up. Boom, takes out an animal. He's
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: got like his little sidekick. Everybody loves him. Everybody thinks
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: he's the coolest. He tries to like flirt with Belle.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: And she's like, I don't need to talk to you.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: I read books.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: And so she's like, got this attitude about her. And
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: then Gaston says something like, why do you read books?
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: We don't want women to read. They might get ideas.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: And I was like, okay, now you have my attention.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: I was like falling asleep before that. But I was like, hey,
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: now we're getting somewhere. And then I was thinking about,
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, this book is, or this story takes
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: place in like, you know, agrarian France, like French countryside,
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: sometime around like the late 18th century, 17th century. So
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: I'm like, Bell was probably reading like proto-Marxist literature in
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: the first place. Also, I mean, without getting too detailed,
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: because you should go watch the video, I talked about
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: this for like 35 minutes. We know as the audience that, like,
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: the Beast is a man who's been cursed.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Belle doesn't know that.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: Belle is convinced that she's actually fallen in love with this, like,
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: exiled animal. And she's supposed to just, like, be okay
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: with that. And her father's supposed to be okay with that.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: The village is supposed to be okay with that. So
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: it's kind of like one of those things where if
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: you go through life, you meet a few bad eggs.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: hey that's life but if you go through life and
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: everybody you meet is sort of on the same page
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: well then maybe you're the problem everybody in the village
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: loved Gaston everybody wanted to be him he's at the
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: beer hall they're singing a song about him like how
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: awesome he is all the women want to be with
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: him and then Belle just knows better Belle the girl
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: who by the way is in love with an animal
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: she just knows better and she's the smart one we
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: should listen to so yeah I think it's uh a
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: subversive feminist story about normalizing deviant relationship styles and demonizing normal.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: Masculinity as personified through Gaston.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: And so I derived from this story a very simple
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: political ideology to which I subscribe, neo-Gastonism, which only has
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: three tenets, which is that we don't let women read,
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: we eat a lot of eggs, and then we beat
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: up furries. Because that's essentially the crux of the story.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: And so when you see it that way, it's actually
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: a very positive story.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: For young men and women to experience.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: But the way that, of course, Disney puts it out,
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: it's very subversive.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: And I think that Disney has gotten even worse in
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: recent years. I mean, if you look at it now,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: there is no love interest anymore. Like, at least in
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Beauty and the Beast, you know, she married the beast-turned-prince.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: And today... I mean, Moana, Frozen, Elsa in Frozen, none
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: of them have any love interest anymore. It's against Disney's
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: code now to have a girl fall in love and
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: get married at the end of the story for whatever reason.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: And my mom always said to me growing up, she said,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: you know, the most important thing you can do in
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: your young adult years is to focus on your love life.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: And that goes for young men too, that we're being
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: told to focus on everything else except for getting married,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: starting families, building civilization. And you're seeing it not just,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: I think now in the literature from back in the day,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: or this is kind of post-modernist takes on gender norms
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: that we've been having for decades, but it's now seeped
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: into mainstream culture. You now see it in Disney and
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: in every other piece of pop culture. And so I
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: think that you did a good job touching on that.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: And John, I really appreciate you joining me. I appreciate
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: your time. I want to be respectful of your time.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: So where can people go to follow you?
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: It is imperative that you go to youtube.com slash John
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: Boyle and find the Beauty and the Beast video.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: I fear that I did not explain it properly.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: You will need to see my 35 minute explanation on
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: it to really understand what's going on.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Okay. I second that. I listened to the video, all
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: my followers, you guys, this is a very fascinating video
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: as all of John's videos. are fascinating. And he has
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: some really awesome pop culture takes and political takes, help
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: you understand the world through a alarmingly far right young man.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: That's right. For those of you listening, make sure to
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: hit the like and follow button. And if you are
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: on Apple or Spotify, rate and review this podcast. Let
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: me know what you guys think of this show. We
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: don't usually do interviews on the podcast. So give me
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: your feedback. Tell me if you'd like to see more
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: content like this. I will see you all next time.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: The Dan Bongino Show.
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: I think a lot of people are underestimating the Trump
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: effect in this midterm. You've heard it yourself. Act like
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: I'm on the ballot. Why is he saying that? You
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: think he doesn't know what he's doing? That is the
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: X factor. Folks, elections are a math issue. That is it.
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: This is not a football game. If you vote, we
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: will win. It is not complicated.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: The Dan Bongino Show.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Follow and listen on your favorite platforms.