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DEPARTURE TIME: Josh Lowe, Jose Siri among Angels who likely won't return · Halo Territory: A Los Angeles Angels Podcast

• 0:09
  Speaker 1: The last ex-Halo standing in the postseason is not Shohei Otani.
• 0:15
  Speaker 1: It's Joe Adele with the Cleveland Guardians. A little bit
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: of an upset there, Mark. Well, we've got an interesting
• 0:21
  Speaker 1: show for you today. We're going to talk about five
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: guys each of us don't think is going to be
• 0:26
  Speaker 1: back with the Halos next season. But we did want
• 0:29
  Speaker 1: to touch on Joe Adele a little bit. We were
• 0:32
  Speaker 1: taping on a Monday early afternoon right before Game 6
• 0:36
  Speaker 1: of the ALCS. Mark, what... what's it been like watching
• 0:39
  Speaker 1: Joe in the post season? That's, uh, it's, it's always
• 0:42
  Speaker 1: interesting sometimes when you see a guy like Joe who
• 0:44
  Speaker 1: has never played in October with the angels, especially the
• 0:48
  Speaker 1: last few years, seeing how they respond to that October pressure,
• 0:52
  Speaker 1: that October stage, what's your, uh, what's your impressions been
• 0:55
  Speaker 1: on Joe so far?
• 0:58
  Speaker 2: It looks like Joe looks like him out there. I
• 1:01
  Speaker 2: think that the, uh, he's contributed at times. Um, I
• 1:07
  Speaker 2: think the overall slash line is awfully reminiscent of the
• 1:10
  Speaker 2: player that we know very well. But he does look
• 1:16
  Speaker 2: competitive up there in the box. He's done a pretty
• 1:19
  Speaker 2: good job limiting the strikeouts. I think he's got 11
• 1:22
  Speaker 2: and 30 at bat. So while that is trending towards
• 1:25
  Speaker 2: somewhat high, the pitching is also as good as you're
• 1:29
  Speaker 2: going to see all year. So he's hanging in there.
• 1:31
  Speaker 2: He's hanging tough. He provides that. That right-handed thump that
• 1:35
  Speaker 2: the Guardians need, they look like they're in trouble starting
• 1:40
  Speaker 2: an opener, I believe, today. If you're starting multiple openers,
• 1:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, in your opinion, do you think you really
• 1:47
  Speaker 2: belong in the World Series?
• 1:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, we've seen this. There are certain teams, I mean,
• 1:53
  Speaker 1: even the Dodgers, when they won in 24, their rotation
• 1:56
  Speaker 1: was shot by the World Series, and they somehow survived
• 2:00
  Speaker 1: with like two and a half starters, although they didn't really...
• 2:03
  Speaker 1: I think they used an opener in a couple of
• 2:05
  Speaker 1: those games. But, yeah, Cleveland, their staff is thinning out,
• 2:12
  Speaker 1: but their bullpen is a strength, so you can't really
• 2:14
  Speaker 1: blame them. I just think right now it's an all-hands-on-deck situation.
• 2:20
  Speaker 1: But as far as Joe Adele, it's been interesting. They've
• 2:23
  Speaker 1: had him in the cleanup spot the whole time, and
• 2:25
  Speaker 1: I don't even think he hit cleanup for the Angels
• 2:27
  Speaker 1: for a lot of the year. So that kind of
• 2:30
  Speaker 1: tells you what they think of him. Interestingly, they have
• 2:32
  Speaker 1: not had him in the field. despite the night we
• 2:35
  Speaker 1: saw against the Mariners early in the year where he
• 2:38
  Speaker 1: robbed three home runs. Yeah, he had two really big RBI.
• 2:42
  Speaker 1: He had an RBI triple and a basis clearing triple
• 2:44
  Speaker 1: in the division series against the White Sox, and that
• 2:48
  Speaker 1: three-run triple kind of sparked or really led him toward
• 2:51
  Speaker 1: that game three win that turned that whole series around. And, yeah,
• 2:55
  Speaker 1: there are times where he unfortunately has looked like the
• 2:58
  Speaker 1: Joe O'Dell that we know all too well, swinging at
• 3:01
  Speaker 1: sweepers way outside the zone, but... I forget who it
• 3:04
  Speaker 1: was against the other day over the weekend. He had
• 3:07
  Speaker 1: on that bat where he swung two sweepers. Oh, and
• 3:10
  Speaker 1: to count. I'm like, I'm almost like literally yelling at
• 3:14
  Speaker 1: my team TV. Come on, Joe. You know, it's like,
• 3:17
  Speaker 1: you know how they're going to pitch to you next
• 3:19
  Speaker 1: two pitches, sweepers away. He laid off them. And I
• 3:22
  Speaker 1: forget what he did the pitch, but he ended up
• 3:24
  Speaker 1: hitting a single right up the middle. I can't remember
• 3:26
  Speaker 1: if a drove in a run or contributing to a rally.
• 3:29
  Speaker 1: So yeah, the adjustments have been a little better. But
• 3:33
  Speaker 1: it's just really good to see, you know, a guy
• 3:35
  Speaker 1: like him get a shot in October. As you know,
• 3:40
  Speaker 1: all too well, Mark, you never know when your next
• 3:42
  Speaker 1: chance is going to come. Sometimes you only get one.
• 3:44
  Speaker 1: And boy, you just, you learn to just sort of
• 3:47
  Speaker 1: relish these as a player.
• 3:50
  Speaker 2: Well said. If you get the opportunity, I think some
• 3:52
  Speaker 2: guys might become bored of them.
• 3:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. It's crazy.
• 3:56
  Speaker 2: Year after year. And some guys, very few. Myself, one
• 4:00
  Speaker 2: and done. Just one wild card game. And that was it.
• 4:05
  Speaker 2: Shakes out the way it does, for better or worse.
• 4:08
  Speaker 2: I did enjoy my loan experience. And I guess I
• 4:11
  Speaker 2: can relate a little bit to what these guys are doing.
• 4:14
  Speaker 2: But for the teams that, you know, year after year
• 4:17
  Speaker 2: are there when it counts. I do wonder if the
• 4:21
  Speaker 2: motivation is as high, you know, it's tough to sustain
• 4:25
  Speaker 2: anything for, for, um, that long. Uh, so I think
• 4:29
  Speaker 2: it's very fun to watch. We'll see Milwaukee is, uh,
• 4:32
  Speaker 2: they got, you know, extended break, but I'm not sure
• 4:35
  Speaker 2: either of these two teams, although they're a very different
• 4:37
  Speaker 2: matchup than the team that they just took on and
• 4:40
  Speaker 2: steamrolled over. These other teams may have something that at
• 4:44
  Speaker 2: least gives them a little more fight. The Padres put
• 4:46
  Speaker 2: up more of a fight, um, I guess the only
• 4:49
  Speaker 2: thing I was– are you the one that had the
• 4:51
  Speaker 2: winning bid for Shohei's jersey, the game-worn jersey?
• 4:55
  Speaker 1: Fell just short. I think my bid was $ 2 million, which,
• 4:59
  Speaker 1: you know, with the money we're making on this podcast,
• 5:02
  Speaker 1: clearly would have been no problem. I thought you might
• 5:06
  Speaker 1: have been in there. 2.05, I think, just beat me
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  Speaker 1: out a little just by a hair. Just by a hair.
• 5:12
  Speaker 1: Couldn't believe it.
• 5:14
  Speaker 2: On the phone, like a Christie's calling you saying.
• 5:18
  Speaker 1: Nope, you bowed out. Maybe next time.
• 5:21
  Speaker 2: What was that? Shake said that the jersey went for
• 5:24
  Speaker 2: more than he made this year.
• 5:27
  Speaker 1: Well, I guess with the deferral, I guess he made
• 5:30
  Speaker 1: $ 2 million in his paychecks. It'd be funny to see
• 5:33
  Speaker 1: his paychecks at $ 2 million per. But I believe he's
• 5:37
  Speaker 1: making well over $ 100 million in endorsements. Can you even
• 5:41
  Speaker 1: imagine that kind of crazy money? I mean, he's going
• 5:44
  Speaker 1: to be a billionaire maybe two times over by the
• 5:47
  Speaker 1: time all this happens.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you might be right. And really, we'll get to
• 5:52
  Speaker 2: the main topic in a second, but with all these
• 5:55
  Speaker 2: arguments and I don't know what Shohei is bringing in endorsements,
• 5:58
  Speaker 2: especially in Japan. And we also don't know what a
• 6:01
  Speaker 2: lot of these ownership groups are making with the CBA
• 6:06
  Speaker 2: and other things. I think that it really helps to
• 6:09
  Speaker 2: have the complete picture. And, um, well, why did Shohei
• 6:14
  Speaker 2: defer so much money? Well, he probably can afford to
• 6:17
  Speaker 2: do it many, many times over. Um, so, We'll see
• 6:21
  Speaker 2: if the deferral part of it, a hot button topic.
• 6:25
  Speaker 2: Many do not like them, don't like opt outs, don't
• 6:27
  Speaker 2: like a lot of these things. I don't know how
• 6:30
  Speaker 2: much they will change, but probably not my favorite either,
• 6:33
  Speaker 2: to be honest. Years and dollars. That seems to make sense.
• 6:37
  Speaker 2: But all right. We'll let you get to the topic
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  Speaker 2: at the end.
• 6:40
  Speaker 1: All right. And that deferral is going to be a
• 6:42
  Speaker 1: sticking point in these CBA talks for sure. So, five
• 6:46
  Speaker 1: angels who we don't think are going to be back.
• 6:48
  Speaker 1: We thought the way we'd format this is we each
• 6:51
  Speaker 1: have a list of five. We're going to go from
• 6:54
  Speaker 1: the top of that list down and see if that
• 6:59
  Speaker 1: person is also on the other person's list. So, you
• 7:02
  Speaker 1: want me to start? You want me to kick us off, Mark?
• 7:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, in truth, I have a flimsy list. I
• 7:09
  Speaker 2: will try.
• 7:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 7:10
  Speaker 2: This is somewhat of a loose script, as in …
• 7:14
  Speaker 2: Not much of a script or no script. But I
• 7:17
  Speaker 2: think this topic, we're going to do the best we can.
• 7:19
  Speaker 2: There are some obvious ones that we are leaving out.
• 7:21
  Speaker 2: Maybe you should start with a couple of no-brainers.
• 7:26
  Speaker 1: It might be a shock to fans at this point,
• 7:28
  Speaker 1: but Anthony Rendon will not be back with the Angels
• 7:31
  Speaker 1: next year. Sadly, his seven-year, $ 245 million contract that paid
• 7:39
  Speaker 1: close to zero dividends has expired.
• 7:42
  Speaker 2: Uh, wow.
• 7:43
  Speaker 1: You know, and I had to go back. This was
• 7:45
  Speaker 1: not a Perry Manassian contract. Remember, this is a Billy Epler,
• 7:50
  Speaker 1: Artie Moreno production all the way. In fact, it was
• 7:53
  Speaker 1: probably more of an Artie Moreno production. He had, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Anthony in his defense came off a great year with
• 8:00
  Speaker 1: the nationals. They won the world series career year. They
• 8:03
  Speaker 1: finished third in the NL MVP voting. I mean, uh,
• 8:07
  Speaker 1: He looked like everything the Angels need, you know, a
• 8:10
  Speaker 1: really good third baseman, provided power, consistency, everything you want
• 8:14
  Speaker 1: in a third baseman, and wow. He had a decent
• 8:17
  Speaker 1: year in 2020, the COVID year, but after that just
• 8:20
  Speaker 1: fell off the face of the earth with injuries. Correct
• 8:23
  Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong.
• 8:24
  Speaker 2: He was not a Garrett Cole pivot, was he? He was.
• 8:28
  Speaker 1: The Angels went hot after Garrett Cole that winter, and
• 8:31
  Speaker 1: it's almost like Artie had, you know, $ 250 million, $ 300
• 8:34
  Speaker 1: million burning in his pocket. And it's like, I'm going
• 8:38
  Speaker 1: to spend it somewhere. And boy, did that set this
• 8:41
  Speaker 1: franchise back at least five or six years. And then
• 8:45
  Speaker 1: the other guy.
• 8:47
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, if you have a pivot, usually maybe
• 8:50
  Speaker 2: the amount of homework done. And quite truthfully, I mean,
• 8:54
  Speaker 2: I'd heard he wasn't that into baseball. We've heard this
• 8:56
  Speaker 2: for a while. And I'd heard that casually and I
• 8:58
  Speaker 2: didn't think anything of it. But if I heard that,
• 9:00
  Speaker 2: I'd run.
• 9:02
  Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. So that was a huge one. And then,
• 9:06
  Speaker 1: you know, Yohan Mankata, a great angel for a short
• 9:11
  Speaker 1: period of time. He pretty much followed in Rendon's footsteps.
• 9:19
  Speaker 1: We're still not sure if he had the surgery on
• 9:21
  Speaker 1: his knee, are we, Mark? I can't remember what Francis
• 9:23
  Speaker 1: Romero's last tweeted about Yohan and how many teams are
• 9:27
  Speaker 1: interested in him, but we saw the last of him,
• 9:30
  Speaker 1: I believe it was mid-May, early June, I forget the
• 9:33
  Speaker 1: exact date, but Clearly not a good fit. Granted, it
• 9:37
  Speaker 1: only cost the Angels $ 4 million this year, but that
• 9:39
  Speaker 1: was $ 4 million not well spent when you could have
• 9:43
  Speaker 1: had that position and even more at-bats carved out for
• 9:47
  Speaker 1: whether it's Denzer Guzman or somebody else, whether it's Christian
• 9:52
  Speaker 1: Moore coming up and playing some third base, whatever it was,
• 9:55
  Speaker 1: you had options that would have been a lot cheaper considered.
• 10:00
  Speaker 1: that you weren't expecting to contend this year than just,
• 10:04
  Speaker 1: you know, basically waste $ 4 million on that guy. I agree.
• 10:09
  Speaker 1: Tough one. All right, well, before we launch into our
• 10:13
  Speaker 1: main topic, we might as well break for a quick commercial,
• 10:15
  Speaker 1: and we'll be right back with five guys who we
• 10:18
  Speaker 1: don't think will be back on Halo territory.
• 10:22
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• 10:26
  Speaker 3: fan base to get very excited to witness either their
• 10:29
  Speaker 3: first ever World Series title or a World Series title
• 10:32
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• 10:35
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• 11:23
  Speaker 1: And welcome back to Halo Territory with Mike DiGiovanna, former
• 11:27
  Speaker 1: LA Times baseball writer and host of the show, and
• 11:29
  Speaker 1: Mark Trumbo, the former Angels slugger. and regular co-hosts. Well,
• 11:33
  Speaker 1: we did not determine a lead-off man. Mark, do you
• 11:35
  Speaker 1: want me to go ahead?
• 11:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're a table setter.
• 11:40
  Speaker 1: All right. That's very correct. My first guy who I
• 11:45
  Speaker 1: don't think will or should be back, Josh Lowe, the outfielder. Now, Josh,
• 11:52
  Speaker 1: he made $ 2. 6 million this season, and he's in his
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: second year of arbitration, so that salary figure is going
• 11:59
  Speaker 1: to go up, if I had to guess, maybe into
• 12:03
  Speaker 1: the $ 4 million range to retain him. Now, this is
• 12:06
  Speaker 1: a guy who overall hit. 209 with a. 633 OPS
• 12:11
  Speaker 1: in 114 games, 12 homers, 11 doubles, 29 RBIs, 105 strikeouts,
• 12:18
  Speaker 1: and 25 walks. That's only in 343 plate appearances. That's
• 12:23
  Speaker 1: maybe the equivalent of a little more than half a
• 12:25
  Speaker 1: season for most regulars. Now, Josh Batts left-handed, you would think, oh,
• 12:30
  Speaker 1: maybe you want to bring him back as a platoon guy,
• 12:33
  Speaker 1: which might be better, but he only hit 215 with
• 12:36
  Speaker 1: a 674 OPS against right-handers, and while that was well
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: above his 176 average and 419 OPS against lefties, it's
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: still not the kind of numbers I would like to
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: see from maybe a platoon left-handed bat. Defensively, uh, His
• 12:56
  Speaker 1: arm is actually very good. His fan graphs, I mean,
• 13:00
  Speaker 1: baseball savant rates his arm value in the 95th percentile.
• 13:04
  Speaker 1: Very good arm strength and accuracy. But overall, fan graphs
• 13:09
  Speaker 1: only had him at minus one defensive run saved and
• 13:13
  Speaker 1: two outs above average. So not great. Most of his
• 13:17
  Speaker 1: offensive metrics, there's exit velocity, hard hit percentage, squared up percentage.
• 13:24
  Speaker 1: were down in the lower five, you know, fifth percentile.
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: He did have a nice little hot streak in June,
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: but this is a guy who next season, even though
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: he's only 29, he will be four years removed from
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: what really is considered his only decent season. That was
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: in 2023 when he hit 292 with an 835 OPS,
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: 20 homers and 83 RBIs for the Raiders. He had
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: a 0.1 war. So we've talked about this before. You
• 14:01
  Speaker 1: need to bring up the bottom, the floor, especially as
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: it pertains to war. In that kind of position, to me,
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: you need at least a 2.0 war guy. I just
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: don't think, to me, the Angels are going to be rebuilding.
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: They're not going to be contending next year. Why pay
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: a guy $ 4 million who's not going to be part
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: of the long-term plan?
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: I agree. The projection has them at 3.6, give or take.
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: So I'm not sure. It could get up to four,
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: I'm sure. Arbitration works. You come up with a number,
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: as in you and your agent, your team comes up
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: with a number, you hopefully settle. If not, you take
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: that number into battle. And it's one or the other.
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: And I did go through the process. And if we
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: get really thin on episodes, I'll take you through it.
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: But it is an interesting experience. Actually, that could make
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: for some good content. But so you have all the
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: advanced numbers. I'm going to use my eyes. Josh Lowe
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: really didn't look, didn't contribute this year. Not enough. He's
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: got a nice ability of steel bases that was highlighted, but.
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: The arm and the outfit was pretty good. His defense
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: was rated pretty well. I didn't see phenomenal jumps, phenomenal reads.
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: It looked far closer to average to me, and it
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: didn't really showcase his athleticism. And part of the thing
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: is I'm really not into guys that have had only
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: one good year. And the more that I've thought about this,
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: when you're hoping they round back into form. Now, if
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: a guy had multiple good years– and maybe a down one, then,
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: then I can see that. But if you've really only had,
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: you know, one hit wonder, then it's just constantly hoping
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: that you'll regain the form. And oftentimes the player has
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: no clue how he was able to do it. It
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: just kind of worked that year. And that's really, if
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: you're not able, and that's, I mean, this is not
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: him necessarily, but that's where the development comes into the
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: minor leagues, struggling and bouncing back and struggling and bouncing
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: back and doing it enough that you know that, you're capable.
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: So long story short, I think that for a team
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: where they are, they could give Nelson Rada a shot
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: just as easily as Josh Lowe. You're going to lose
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: a little bit of power, but, you know, cheaper and
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: more athletic.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So Josh was on your list, I take it? Sure.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: I told you, I'm going to, I'm ripping off your
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: list and then I got some wild cards.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: Well, let's, let's start with the guy on top of
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: your list and then I'll riff off that.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: As I just said, I have somewhat of a hodgepodge list. Okay,
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: Jose Siri, there's a name for you. Oh, yeah, there
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: you go. Projected at 2.3 million. I don't have the
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: advanced stats in front of me. I do have my
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: memory of his lackadaisical, goofy play. To some, very entertaining.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: To me, not so much.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: Oh, man.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: He's 31 years old and just doesn't fit the mold
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: of a hard-nosed grinder team at all. Um, I don't
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: think that he's a great fit for my John Moselak team. If, um,
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: John Moselak is at the helm still and he's, you know,
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: starting to become kind of expensive. None of these guys
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: are that expensive. So it's not like it's a big deal,
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: but to try and make this narrative work, you know,
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: he is more expensive than some others. So I'm going
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: to move on from Jose Siri. What about you?
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: Well, I have Jose Siria as the number two guy
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: on my list, and I do have some numbers that
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: might surprise you. This is so weird. He's literally in
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: the 99th percentile, and you mentioned this on a previous show,
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: in sprint speed. Yet, he only stole nine bases. His
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: defensive ratings from Fangraphs, minus two defensive run saves, saved
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: minus four outs above average. So it's like that speed
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: does not appear to be... getting put to great use defensively,
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: and we have seen him take some, shall we say,
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: circuitous routes to the baseball, although circus-like might be a
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: better adjective at times. He does have a pretty good arm,
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: 86th percentile in arm value, but he was in the
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: 17th percentile in range, so I don't know what that
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: tells you for a defensive profile, but it doesn't seem
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: to add up for a guy with that. And he
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: is athletic.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: He has some athleticism. He has made some great plays,
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: has great speed, but it's just not computing in the outfield. Now, offensively,
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: he had 241 with a 712 OPS at 108 games,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: 10 homers, 10 stolen bases, 33 RBIs, 80 strikeouts, and
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: 251 plate appearances. Do the math. That does.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Now, he's not a regular, everyday player, but if he
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: were to even get double that plate appearances, his strikeouts
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: would be way too huge for me. And not much
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: difference in the Splatoon splits. 252, 687 against righties. 230,
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: 738 OPS against lefties. Just not doing it for me,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: and I agree. Like, none of these guys are that expensive. But,
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: it's like, if this guy, if you're the Angels, you're
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: going into next year as... you know, the sort of
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: the foundation of whatever rebuilding process you're going through. You've
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: got to identify players who fit the profile, who fit
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: the mental and physical profile of what you're looking to
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: build your team around. To me, this guy just doesn't fit.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: If he was eight years younger, I'd be more into him.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree. All right. so we have two
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: down three to go my number three and this might
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: surprise you a little Oswald Peraza the utility infielder we
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: were very high on this kid and he is still
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: a kid I think he's 25 or six years old
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: really liked him in the first half with good reasons
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: through 70 games uh Through June 19th, he was hitting.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: 267 with a. 743 OPS, seven homers, 21 RBIs, 11 doubles,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: 62 strikeouts, nine walks. So still a little high on
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: the whiffs. But from June 21st on, in 53 games,.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: 150 average,. 384 OPS, zero homers, four RBIs, one double,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: 49 strikeouts, eight walks. and really in almost every batting
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: offensive category for a baseball savant. He rated very poorly.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: To me, you would think, you know, defensively, he is
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: a better defender. He does play a nice shortstop. You
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: need somebody who can play short. But to me, the Angels,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: if you're going to keep Von Grissom, and Von Grissom
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: is not on my list of guys who I think
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: should go, You need a left-handed utility guy or a
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: switch-hitting utility guy who can play short or another left-handed
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: infielder who you can still move Guzman to short if
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Neto needs a day or if he gets banged up
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: a little bit and play Grissom at third. And I
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: don't know if Adam Frazier is that guy. I don't
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: really have him on my list either. But maybe you
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: ride with Adam Frazier one more year. But Peraza, to me,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: was just a pretty big disappointment in that second half.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: All right. I'm going to say I– well, maybe because
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: I have a soft spot. I'm not giving up on
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: that defense. I can't do it. And the hit in,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: it's still– he had it, and then he didn't. But
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: I know he made some mechanical changes, and I feel
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: like it is on the player, but there was so–
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: many guys that needed so much help last year that
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: I think he probably kind of fell by the wayside
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: in terms of, and it seemed like a lot of
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: the improvements he made probably came in spring training, uh,
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: which it's not ideal time-wise, but I liked the ball player.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: I saw some tremendous defense. Um, what'd you say he costs?
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: I don't care what he costs. Bring him back.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: He made a 1 million this year.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Uh, it's cheap. You can't give up. What do you
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: think it? Come on, man.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: I just think you can upgrade. Like I said, I
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: like him. I like the defense. I like the overall player,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: and I think there's more there. I just think if
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: you're going to get better.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: You said you would like to see Vaughn Grissom at
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: third base. I did hear that.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'd like to see him anywhere in
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: the infield. I just think his bat and with the
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: need for offense being so acute with this team, he's
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: a much better offensive player than Peraza is at this point.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: So maybe you sacrificed some of the glove for that bat.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Just what I feel. All right. Fair enough.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: Your turn, Mark.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Adam Frazier.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Okay. 34 years old, I believe.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's on the older side. I think maybe this
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: is just more of a courtesy to him. He'll play
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: somewhere where you get the opportunity to experience a better
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: chance at the post season. Um, he's at the age where,
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: you know, he's, he's very athletic guy. I mean, he
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: could hang on for, um, a few more years, but
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: it could also be towards the end for him. I,
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: I'm not obsessed at all with the platoon, right, left, right, left.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, we saw that this year he has left-handed,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: he does hit left-handed, but I don't know, man, if
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: that's the only reason that you're keeping a guy around, um,
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: I wasn't that impressed with the defense, um, I think
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: that really, I mean, his offensive numbers, and I believe
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: they are right in front of you. I don't actually
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: have them in front of me, but I thought he
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: had a little more. I thought they were pretty poor.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: And if I'm wrong, then so be it. I do
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: know one thing that really got away from him this
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: year was his strength in the past, which was his
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: ability to make contact, more of a contact approach. He
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: struck out a ton for a guy that you don't,
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: pencil in as being a high strikeout guy. And for
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: some reason this year, uh, that number really ballooned on him. Um,
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: his arm is I think below average, especially in the outfield.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: So he's really, to me, you know, a middle infielder,
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: second base only could DH a little bit, but I
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: think that, um, maybe a certain center fielder last year
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: is going to be DH and a lot moving forward. So, yeah,
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: I think Adam Frazier's, uh, you know, uh, mutual, uh,
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: parting of ways him and the, uh, the ball club.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, he was number six on my list
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: of fives, so he was right on the bubble. I
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: was a little disappointed. I mean, he was hurt for
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: a time, and then when they brought Chris Moore up,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: they seemed like they were committed to playing him a
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: lot more. So he didn't really get that much opportunity.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: I've seen him play in the past, and I know
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: there's a better player in there than what we saw,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: but certainly at 34 years old, and once again, when
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: you're looking at the kind of team you're trying to
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: develop here, He's not going to be part of your
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: long-term future, so why even bother bringing him back at
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: this point? All right, number four guy on my list
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: is a backup catcher named Travis Darnot. He's 37. He
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: hasn't really announced his retirement. I don't know. I thought
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: defensively there's still something there. I've always liked him as
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: a defensive player. He does seem to work well with pitchers. Now,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: he was on the second year of a two-year, $ 12
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: million deal, I believe, so he's making $ 6 million, which
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: is way too much to be paying a catcher of
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: his stature at this point in his career. Now, if
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: he did want to come back, he'd probably be willing
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: to do for something in the $ 1 million to $ 2
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: million range, so it could be cheap. But to me,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: unless you really can't find another backup catcher, I mean,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: at this point, I'd go with Heinemann, who at least
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: bats left-handed. over a guy like Darneau. I just don't
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: think there's a space spot for him next year. Respect
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: for him as a player. He had a hell of
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: a career, really. But I just don't see any way
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: he's going to be back. Any, any thoughts on him, Mark?
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: It's time. It's time.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: The bats really, it's just not there anymore. And I,
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: I much preferred Heinemann's defense over Darneau's. Heinemann's very athletic
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: for his age.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. You were watching, too. He bounces
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: around like a young guy behind the plate. He has
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: a lot of energy. He seems to really take command.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: And Darnot does a nice job of that, too. I
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: just saw a little more out of Heinemann. And Heinemann,
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: you know, he has a left-handed stick. He bunts. He
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: does kind of these things that they really need. The
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: overall offensive appeal is, well, you know.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah i mean you don't expect a lot from your
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: backup catcher i.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: Don't know it reminds me of jeff mathis i think.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah well jeff was great defensively an.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: Excellent defender and heineken excellent defender and i think the
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: ball club got a lot better when he came in
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: and maybe you know another guy went out but uh
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: the catcher position it was obvious everyone knows who we're
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: talking about but Yeah. With Darnot, you know, credit to
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Wasserman or whatever they're going by now for negotiating that deal.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: That's a great deal.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: He was an ex-Brave and those, those ex-Braves, you know,
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: they found their way here a lot.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: He was on their, wasn't he on their World Series
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: team in 22? Yeah. Also on the Ray's World Series team.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah. 2020.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, I mean.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: Darnot's had an excellent career. He really has.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: He's, Well, well liked by all of his teammates. A
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: really good clubhouse guy. I think a natural fit to
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: maybe go into coaching when the jersey comes off. So
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: I just don't think the Angels probably make sense.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: Agreed. And who's next or is it last? Are we
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: at the last point with your list?
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: I guess I have one more name projected at 1.1 million.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Ben Joyce.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, interesting. Interesting. So you're talking about a non-tender here.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: You think, what would he make in arbitration next year,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: you think? Was that the 1.1?
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: 1.1 million.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Wow. You're ready to give up on that million-dollar bill.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: No, but it's a talking point. Well, what are the
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: reasons you might? I mean, the injury history is just,
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, you can't. I don't know if you can
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: count on this guy and this could probably be a
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: whole topic in itself. I think that while the bobblehead
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: and the 106 mile an hour heater and all of
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: that is, I don't want a sideshow. I want a
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: dependable high leverage arm. Maybe asking a lot, but I mean,
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: you see what this guy is capable of doing and
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: it's so appealing and yet he misses so much time.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: At the end there, we were speculating he didn't look right.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: He didn't look close to right. I don't know if
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: we ever really got a total explanation other than he
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: did hit the shelf again. Um, I think this winter
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: is going to be absolutely pivotal, uh, for him to
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: try and figure some things out, figure out what he
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: needs to do to get his body. Um, and it's
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: not a physical thing. I mean, the guy's a monster.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: He looks like he's got, uh, you know, uh, looks
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: like Adonis carved out of stone, but, um, when it's
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: not translating to health, the best kind of ability is availability.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: That was written on the Diamondbacks wall. Well, I mean,
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: does he fit that mold? Not even close.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Not even close.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Can he hog a roster spot when he has to
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: be down multiple days, if that's something that's going to continue?
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: I don't think that that is fair to the other
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: players either. I think that you need to be able
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: more often than not, and he wasn't able to. So
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: for the sake of this, I mean, he's He's cheap,
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: dirt cheap, so almost certainly will be back, but there
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: is a slight argument for the opposite.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: I like it. Definitely provocative. I would not be ready
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: to give up on Ben Joyce's arm just yet, and
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know if this is contributing to his injury
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: issues in any way, but it seems like he has
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: this label of being the closer. Why? Because he throws 104, whatever, 103.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: He's got the stuff to be a closer. That's not
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: that's clear but when you attach that label to a
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: guy you attach certain expectation and pressure i would love
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: to see ben joyce get knocked back to a seventh
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: inning guy if that's what you want to call him
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: just a regular setup guy you know if you can
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: somehow sign a guy who can close for you and
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: maybe another eighth inning arm who you trust just take
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: that label off them completely maybe that'll help them work
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: at a certain pace that won't uh Expose him to
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: injury as much? I don't know. But there's just something's
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: not adding up with this guy. There's a disconnect between,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: like you say, his physical stature, his body, the tools,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: the velocity, and he just has not been able to
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: put together a healthy year in a long time. So
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: whatever you can do to promote.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Can you explain to me what the sprinkler is, his
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: off-speed pitch?
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's called the splinker. This would be the sprinkler, Mark. Oh, great.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: I've never heard another guy that throws such a pitch.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: There might be one or two. It's a combination of
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: a splitter and a sinker that acts like a changeup.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know what it means.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Exactly. It's a cool name. It's a cool name. But
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: once again, what good is it if it's on the
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: shelf along with that fastball? The last guy on my list,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Angel fans may not remember this guy, but he's a
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: right-hander by the name of Robert Stevenson now. You may
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: be thinking I'm nuts. Well, of course he's not going
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: to be back, but he has an interesting clause in
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: his contract. He signed for three years and 33 million.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Remember three years ago, I think he's pitching what 10
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: games in the whole three years. He's been hurt to
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: try to hedge against the injuries because they knew he
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: had elbow issues coming in. They added a fourth year,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: two and a half million dollar team option. If, Stevenson
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: spends 130 consecutive days on the injured list because of
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: an elbow injury. He has fit, he has achieved that
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: contract clause, so the Angels could bring him back for
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: $ 2. 5 million if they want. Now, if Robert Stevenson somehow
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: convinces them over the winter, hey, I'm feeling great, my
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: arm's great, I threw six bullpens, my velo's great, would
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: you bring him back at $ 2. 5 million? I mean, I
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: don't know. I wouldn't personally because I just think much
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: like your reasoning with Ben Joyce, I wouldn't commit a
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: roster spot to this guy. And it's still $ 2.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: 5 million.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: You don't want the, what if there's a new salary cap?
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: And if you add his $ 2. 5 to maybe some of
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: these other $ 4, $ 4, $ 3, $ 4, $ 5 million contracts add
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: up to preventing you from signing maybe a guy with
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: a bigger name and profile. I don't know. I just
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: can't see the Angels doing it. But there is that
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: little window that's open for a guy like Stevenson to
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: come back.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: His contract wasn't put together by anyone that's running the
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: show now. That is correct. I think it would be
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: far more attractive if you were the one that signed
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: him and you were trying to not have this go
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: down on your resume.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, salvage anything.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: You can. 2.5, I mean, league minimum is what the
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: writing should have been.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: So it should have been so attractive that you you
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: literally can't turn it down. I don't know why. Two
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: point five in the grand scheme of things. You know,
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: it's not a ton just gets passed off to the
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: fans anyway. So who cares?
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: But I don't I personally, you know, if I'm going
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: to make somewhat of the argument for Ben Joyce, I
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: can't logically say that Stevenson makes sense. All right. Before
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: we go, I got four names in front of me
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: that are free agents. And you tell me if they
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: might be back or will not be back. Rysel Iglesias.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: These are all former Halos, by the way. Might be
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: back with the Braves. No, he's a free agent. These
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: are free agents.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, you were saying you want him to come back
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: to the Angels maybe?
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: I'm asking you if you would consider bringing them back.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, they need– I have Iglesias.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. He's shown some pretty good stuff. I mean, 37,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: we've seen Kenley Jansen at that age perform pretty well.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: If you were just looking for a one-year closer and
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: you could get him at what you might consider a
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: bargain rate for that position, yeah, I think Bryce Hill's
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: still got something left.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: I think he's nasty. I don't know if this makes
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: sense or not. Taylor Ward, 33-year-old outfielder. You're familiar with him.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: I am familiar with him. I love him personally. Great dude.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Would not want him back. That last year, wow. I mean,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: what did he hit? How many homers did he hit
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: the year before? Was it 30-something to go from that? Yeah,
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: it's like single digits. I know Baltimore is not the
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: greatest park for right-handed hitters right now, but that has
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: fallen off a cliff. And to me defensively, it's just, no,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: that's a hard no for me.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Okay. He's also probably going to command. Oh, that's interesting.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: You know, it's very bad time to, you know, if
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: you're going to try and time being a free agent,
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: that's not a great one. So we'll, we'll see what
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: he's able to come away with. Carlos Estevez is on
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: the list.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: He has shoulder injury. We're going to move on. That's
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: a pass.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: Then Patrick Sandoval actually is a free agent at 30
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: years old. And I think that one's a little more
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: interesting because, Now they're stocked with pitching, but I don't know,
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: left-handed pitching, very desirable. The guy that grew up around here,
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: you know, I think, well, he missed a lot of
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: time this year and he is making nine something million.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: But when you're a free agent, you get what you get.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: It's not based on arbitration numbers. Sometimes your arbitration number
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: can be higher than your free agent salary. Usually it's
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: not the case, but it can be. And that's part
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: of why the arbitration system Once you're in it, it
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: generally will take care of the player if they don't
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: miss too much time on the field. It is somewhat
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: pro-player in that regard. There's actually quite a few ex-Halos
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: that I left out, but it could be worth looking at.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: I like Sandoval personally. I think he's a bulldog. His temper,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: as we know, has gotten the best of him out
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: there on the mound. Did you see any of his
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: starts when he came back from the injury? Yeah, I
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: thought he looked okay. Yeah, I thought he looked okay, too.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: I just don't know that I would commit, you know,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: whatever it's going to– if it's going to cost you
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: $ 10 million even for a one-year deal, I'd rather let–
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: I'd rather roll with one of your young starters and
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: spend that money elsewhere. Well, Kikuchi takes good space, so. Yeah,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you could trade Kikuchi, maybe– Maybe that
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: opens up a spot for a guy like Sandoval, but
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: the way the roster is currently constructed, I would have
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: to pass on that right now too.
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Well, figured I'd ask.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: I appreciate that. I like that. All right. That's going
• 38:09
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