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Out of Bounds, Wk 3 W/ Dr. Quick · Bears Banter Talk Show

• 0:29
  SPEAKER_04: What's up, what's up, what's up?
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_04: Man, we got a lot of talk, a lot to talk about in a short period of time to do it.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_04: Um, got a bunch of stuff going on.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know if you saw, been on the news and all type of stuff going on, but you know, we still here.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_04: We still here.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_04: And welcome to the third episode of Out of Bounds with Dr.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_04: Quick.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_04: That's me.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_04: That's that's me.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_04: That's me right there.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_04: And that's Bonal Mohammed, Nutty, the host of Bears Banner Talk Show, where we talk about all things Chicago Bears.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_04: So, hey, we let's let's just get into it real quick, man, and let's talk.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_04: Because, you know, I got I got some real serious stuff to talk about later on tonight.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_04: And uh, let's just do some do some recapping.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_04: And man, we always start with the bears.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, so 27 to 7.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_04: Bears beat the Eagles.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_04: Hey, you know, I'm not mad.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_04: You know, I went into this week thinking that the Bears should be able to split, you know, get one and one against the Eagles and then the Jets.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_04: But Case Keenum, I was like, man, this is Case Keenum for president, man.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_04: He was hey, you know what?
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_04: The the best thing I've heard this year was a quote that he made.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_04: He said, I may not be a cowboy, but this ain't my first freaking radio rodeo.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_04: And I just I just love what he does.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_04: He got the ball out on time to the receivers, and and Ben Johnson was kind of under the under the gun because everybody was like, you know, you don't have your toy and Caleb Williams, and so what are you gonna be able to do?
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, the spotlight was on Ben, and and he drew up a great game plan for Case Keenum to be successful.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, this dude at 38 years old was looking really good.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_04: What you know, what you think?
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_03: Man, you know, case case kind of had found a foul on the youth.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_03: Matter of fact, he found some youth he ain't never had.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, he he's been he's had some decent games over the years, and he had some not so decent games, but he play, man, he played like he was in the Super Bowl or something in that game.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_03: And I would say my hats off to uh Ben Ben Johnson because he caught the Eagles not ready for that game plan.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_03: And if you look at the what the Bears have been doing mostly under Ben Johnson, the kind of office run, I disagree with people like RG3 and said Ben's run a quick temple office.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_03: He does not.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_03: Ben Johnson runs an uh explosive offense, which is normally a five to seven step drop.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_03: That that you know, that's why it takes a little time because his plays uh alone developing.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, this game, this is three-step drops.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_03: One, two, three, ball out your hand.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_03: First play of the game, three yard route out in the flat.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_03: This boom, boom, quick slants, boom, quick handoffs, right?
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_03: A lot of stuff that could go real fast.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_03: So they was working that, man.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_03: But what's with me, what you got, man?
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, that that was a sighted game, quick.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_04: It was, and I was really impressed with the defense, you know, that that whole band would don't break.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_04: You know, we we got us some situations, and you know, it was said on the show the other day that the Bears gave up one touchdown with one second left going into halftime.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_04: You know, there were some plays where we had some things that could have gone worse, and we we controlled the narrative.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_04: Thillerman looks like the still of the draft right now, man.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_04: He he's been playing lights out at defensive back, coming up with some key tackles and just playing very, very, very well.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_04: You know, I'm just glad that I ain't see uh Garrett Bradbury grabbing nobody's leg this week, man.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_04: I was I was real mad last week.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_04: I was just like, man, this dude here, he ain't even a pro guy.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_04: You grabbing a guy's leg and just like this dude, man.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_03: But hey, hey, hey, last week when you was joking about her, man.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_03: I I was thinking about he look, he was looking like uh we walk your dog out and they get up on the tree.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_03: Man, he was he was grabbing legs like a dog be about to piss on the tree.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, man.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so you know, shout out to them and uh you know, just just shout out to the bears, man.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_04: And it was a good game.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_04: We're gonna see what happens this Sunday against the Jets, and uh, hopefully we got something good to report next week coming back to Bears Banner and to out of bounds.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_04: So you know, just got a shift real quick and talk about stage too.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_08: So I'm black.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_04: So I'm gonna I'm gonna shoot through uh the sports segment real quick, man, and then get to them.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, you know, shout out to the Chicago White Sox, you know, seven to three.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_04: That means they move on next week to play uh Cleveland.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_04: They come back to play Cleveland at the end of the week, and so they won a wild card game today, seven to three, two wins over the uh Houston, who they struggled against a couple weeks ago, but shout out to the White Sox, they came in, took care of business, and so now the the series gets a little bit longer.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_04: And that that other team on the other side looked terrible last night.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_04: You know, the the guys down there in Boys Town, but you know, some you know, some people like that team, but that that that's just not my you know, that's just not my cup of tea, you know.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_04: As some say, I don't roll that way.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_04: I stay on the south side, so you know, we all we white socks all the way, you know.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_04: So that's that's how we that's how we're rolling with that.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_04: Um but really want to get into tonight.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_04: Phones been blowing up off the hook, um, talking about the CPS pay issue.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_04: And so we are going to talk about that tonight right here.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_04: I thought about it, you know, we've been running back and forth to news outlets and and all in the paper and all that.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_04: And I thought to myself, like, wait a minute, hold on.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_04: I got a media platform of my own.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_04: What am I doing?
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_04: Hold on.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_04: So man, you know, so what we're gonna do tonight, we're gonna give people the e True Hollywood story and give it to them in the real, give it to them in the raw, you know, what's been going on and things like that.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_04: So I brought three people here tonight.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, I got uh Ivan Palomore, Leron Black Miles, and Brion Hutchison.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_04: We all of uh Game Time Football Officials Association, and you know, we go around training officials and you know providing, you know, just just just an outlet and avenue for officials.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_04: So without further ado, you know, let's bring them on to the show, Nutty, and let's just you know, let's just get the show going.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_04: Let's get it as cracking as they say.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_03: Hey, let's get it cracking.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_03: Hey, look, uh fellas, make sure y'all unmute your mics, even if you don't turn on your cameras, but at least unmute your mics so we can make sure you we hear you, okay.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_03: There we go.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_04: So what's up, guys?
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_04: How y'all doing, man?
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_07: What's going on?
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_04: What's going on?
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_04: Hey, what's up?
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_04: Welcome to Out of Bounds with Dr.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_04: Quick.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, as y'all know, I'm I'm Dr.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_04: Quick, and so welcome to Out of Bounds.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_04: Uh man, let's just talk about it, man, and let's just put it out there in the real and the raw.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_04: Um, you know, one thing that happened that that came about was that the officials from CPS was not getting paid and not getting paid in a timely fashion.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_04: And we met with the officials on Monday, and they decided to take a stance against it.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, so now we got what we got now, you know.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_04: So, man, let's just talk about it.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, anybody wanna go first and give their take on it?
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, anybody else?
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_02: Uh you know, uh man, I guess I'd go take a stab at it.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_02: Um man, this was a crazy day, um, but it was also a victorious day for us.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_02: Um, we were in a space where am I here?
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, all right.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_02: Um, we was in a space, man, where officials had grown frustrated.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_02: Um, as one of the assigners, um, it's our job and I already take care of the officials, take care of the integrity of um of the officials because we the lifeline, right?
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_02: We the linchpin between officiating and uh the uh Chicago public school system.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_02: And so um when for me, right, I woke up on Friday, I mean I'm sorry, I went in morning to uh 30 declines on football games and another 10 text messages with guys just basically telling me to like take them off the games until they get they until they get their money.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_02: And so uh get into a meeting with uh with CPS Sports Administration, Thomas Smith, and all of these guys, and I made it very clear that officials were frustrated, they were upset, and they were refusing to go work because they had not been paid.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_02: And so uh time passed and they said, oh, you know, they're gonna work on it and and they're gonna get it figured out and worked out or whatever.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_02: And so they sent out this email that stated that like several officials had been paid across the the network.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_02: And so we had a we had a rep, we always have Monday meetings, so we had this meeting, but this meeting to this time was specifically to address what officials were feeling and if they have been paid.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_02: So we polled the audience 100% of the people that were on the call stated that they had not been paid.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_02: And so we asked the question, what we want to do, right?
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_02: What is this, what is everybody's stance?
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_02: And so people began to come forward in the Zoom call and stated if they don't want to pay us, we are not working.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_02: So take us off the game.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_02: And so from there, uh, I made it very clear with sports administration the stance of the officials.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_02: Um and essentially they kind of sat back on their hands and they thought that we was gonna fold, but we didn't.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_02: We stood tall, we stood strong.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and today, uh, thanks to Cam Buckner and Michael O'Brien.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I think he think he froze, but uh so Cam Buckner, Michael O'Brien, uh WGN, Fox News, ABC News.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_04: Uh myself and Brian have been running around rapid today.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_04: Uh people have been requesting interviews and requesting uh just a moment of our time to tell the story.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_04: Uh the other two gentlemen who are on this call are LaRon Miles and Ivan Palomore.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_04: Us three together form Game Time Officials Association.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_04: And so, and and people ask me, let's let's let's just get to the let's cut to the chase.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_04: CPS does not owe me a dime in money, didn't owe me a dime, don't owe me a dime.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_04: I don't work basically CPS games, right?
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_04: But when it came time for an issue with officials, let's just call it what it is.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_04: Um there's a position that I hold not with CPS, but the integrity of African-American officials and football officials across this state, not just here in Chicago, but across the state of Illinois.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_04: And so when stuff like this occurs, we have to um we have to take action.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_04: And so what Brion was saying too was that when the officials stated that they didn't want to work, now that that pushes myself into a position where we have to form an action, not basically against CPS, but we have to uh kind of stand strong ourselves and come together again.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_04: CPS don't owe me a dime, they don't owe me anything.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_04: But when you owe our people money, then you owe me money, and that's how it goes, and so it there's a and I really want to talk about this too, because there's a cockiness now at sports administration, and we call it the Teflon Don effect, where people feel like they can't be uh going up against and things of this nature, and that's not true.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_04: And what other people don't understand is that although the coaches wanted their kids to play, the coaches supported the officials 100%.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_04: Black, what what do you have?
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_06: So, first of all, good evening, everyone.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_06: And uh let me let me just say this this is not a war against uh CPS.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_06: This is a war and a fight for quality officials that are out there doing a service and a job.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_06: Um, a majority of these people have put in some time, they've been going to camps, they come to meetings, and they're striving to get better.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_06: Um, also, with that, there have been other leagues and other places where they they've said, oh, we're not we're not gonna pay the referees.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, so the same work stoppage has happened before.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_06: So let just to let everyone know, this is not a beatdown of CPS, but it is a stance to for us to take care of our people.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_06: That's one.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_06: Um, also in there, you just can't you just can't bully people when it's pertaining to their money.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_06: You know, they work for the service, they did the service, they did the job.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_06: Just pay them.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_06: No one's asking for extra money, no one's saying, uh, pay me extra, um, X, Y, and Z.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_06: No, pay me for my service.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, that's that's the whole thing in a nutshell.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_06: You know, but you gotta know how to treat people and you gotta be humble.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_04: Ivan, Ivan, did you have anything?
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_07: Uh just to piggyback off of him.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, you have to pay people.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_07: Um, I had something I was thinking of when he was speaking, and now I just lost it.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_07: Um, I was I was saving it.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_07: I was like, okay, this is what I'm gonna say.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_07: When he finished, I'ma say it, but now I can't remember what I was gonna say, so I apologize for that.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_07: But good evening, everybody.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_07: Um when it comes back to my mind, I'll re-bring it back up.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_06: Dr.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_06: Alton and Nutty.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_06: Dr.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_06: Dr.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_06: Alton and Nutty before I forget.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_06: Uh and Nutty, I don't know if you know, but this is one of the reasons why we started Game Times Officials Association.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_06: This is one of the reasons why.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_06: Um there was a practice way before.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, Nutty, you're not no new guy today.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_06: There's a practice way before about about or you just do it this way and then just had to go out the window, you know, and we needed a we needed a platform for us as well, and then for everyone else, and that's where we are.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, that's good stuff, man.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I'm glad that you guys are taking the stands that y'all are taking because uh, you know, like they say, we we just we just uh did what labor day.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_03: Labor Day just passed, right?
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_03: One of the things, and that's one of the things about Labor Day itself in America, making sure that people are paid for the Labor Day they actually perform.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_03: So uh I I clap you guys for taking that stance.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, and I know what I wanted to say.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_07: I know what I wanted to say.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_07: This is really shed the light on how CPS operates as far as paying people.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_07: This is shed the light, and the stance that y'all that was made really opens up and gives everybody else a view into how CPS is operating when it comes to paying people, especially officials and stuff.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, I know we're not union workers or anything like that, we are at will or independent contractors, but this should not happen as far as paying people.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_07: Just because they're not union or anything like that, you still shouldn't put them on the back burner.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and so let's just be clear it wasn't just the football officials that was not paid, it was volleyball, it was soccer, it was flag football and football.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_04: The football officials were the only ones that took a stance and said, Hey, you know what, we're not gonna go out there and work because this is not right, it's been too long since we've gotten paid.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_04: And and and you know, just be real honest.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_04: A lot of guys make their livelihood.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_04: You're gonna keep hearing that, but a lot of guys make their livelihood on this money.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_04: Some people, this is all they have, and for people to kind of treat it like something on the back burner, that's not right.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_04: And so our group, the reason why, you know, I was like, you know, y'all know I was like, man, why do you put my picture on the on the newspaper today?
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_04: But you know, our group is always gonna stand up for what's right, these people pay their dues to the association, they're in meetings trying to train and things like that, and so it almost feels like you were trying to withhold their pay, but the the the basis of it is too was that you fired the guy who paid the people before, and you got rid of him for whatever reason, and just so y'all know, he may be on here in the next 10-15 minutes, but you fired the guy for whatever reason, and so now you figure that you could do it without him, and you've proven that you can't do this without him, or you couldn't, because when he went on leave early in the year, basketball officials didn't get paid for over a month, maybe six weeks or so.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_04: So these practices are not right.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_04: And even talking with Cam Buckner, the state rep this morning, he was saying that if you're owed money for a service for over 30 days, you violated Illinois law.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_04: You violated the law, and so be very careful, especially because you have state funding.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_04: You're holding state funding from people.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so um Hey, can we go back for like three seconds?
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I want to go back and I want to address uh when you had asked a question about the um the hierarchy and the you know the the status pro quo of like the or the status that like they have down at sports administration or even downtown and CPS that says like you know they can't be touched.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_02: I I first hand, I witnessed it over the course of these last three days, right?
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_02: There the and I think part of like what the problem is, honestly, is these guys think that we are not knowledgeable in a sense to where we can stand our ground and be able to advocate in the right way.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_02: And so to to kind of be met with, even with Morales and Thomas Smith on the way that they approach this situation, it it shed a greater light on just what you said.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_02: They think they can't be touched, they think that you know they are the end-all be-all.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm glad that the officials came together and took the stance that they took, that we took, which was to say, yeah, enough is enough.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_02: You either pay or you're gonna have to figure it out.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_02: So, yeah, it it to to kind of witness it, to see it, it was it was kind of baffling because those like
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_04: the you they they don't understand that they need us more than we need them that's the part they forget you know it's um it's it's kind of it's kind of disheartening because um you know it's us it's us on us and there are some good people that uh that work down there that office absolutely we we have uh uh we have a a new um executive director that doesn't really have a sports background he he he i mean even though he was a principal he has an educational background you know and um i don't really know what thomas smith's background really is i i so i can't really speak on that but i'm just gonna say when you think that you know more than everyone else and the people that have uh been studying have become students of the game and you know the ins and the outs of the paperwork and the ins of the outs of dealing with people and having relationships where are your where are your relationship skills you don't have to like me and i don't have to like you i don't have to like any anybody on this call no one on this call has to like me but where where are our communication skills where's the real professionalism in this and being adults and once again we always talking about young people so how do we teach the young people do this is how we teach them is is this the message that we send them you know well one message we send them is absolutely stand up for yourself you know be able to stand together and you know and be able to fight professionally yeah and and part of that too and and speaking with people part of the um part of the the premise behind uh being scared that there were not going to be any games was that we were going to allow thousands of thousands of kids not to be where they should be on the weekend or you know we knew that they would be in a safe place for five to six hours and not having games will put them potentially in the neighborhoods and you know some of these kids live in unsafe neighborhoods uh the other thing too is that being around the coaches they're able to uh still feel that father figure because we know some of them don't have fathers and not only that that they get that stern uh adjustment from the coach and and the coaches are all and and football is not just about the game at the high school level it's about teaching young people how to become men and striving to be greater than something that they already think they already are uh also we have on the call tonight we have uh Kenneth Davidson Jr.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_05: who's one of the assigners for CPS uh football as well uh Kenny welcome to the show is there anything that you want to say or shed light on on this situation as far as uh the things that we've been going through in the past couple of days can you hear me yeah I had to unmute um it's not too much uh to say it's just it's a shame that uh this had to happen for everything to get fixed um it took for all of this to get put on a bigger stage and everybody to see what we go through for us to pretty much get the employees uh referees paid um everybody still hasn't gotten paid but uh people see that the stance was taken and um everybody saw that we had their back and everybody saw how fast that they had to move to make this happen.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_03: I think he went back on mute I'm gonna I want to uh share this story let me bring this story in if you don't mind give me give me a second I'm gonna share the the the news story where some of you guys were on the news today you know letting the public know what was going on with some games cancelled on Monday and Tuesday today high school referees are telling me that they're upset and demanding accountability and also like a paycheck.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_00: Tonight referees in the country's third largest school district have stopped working at jeopardizing football games for thousands of Chicago students.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_00: Because nobody else has these issues and Michael Lowin among the referees alleging missed paycheck they say Chicago public schools was supposed to pay them directly taking over from the schools but they claim that hasn't happened.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_00: To have to go three weeks almost four weeks without getting any money think about the impact that it has on home the work stoppage forcing Chicago public schools to cancel games for many false sports including JV football.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_00: That's a missing game you know it I mean for the young kids it hurts Chris James is the head football coach at Morgan Park High School is now worried about the 100 students across his program just the development part of it you know like kids make mistakes in games and you correct them as a coach and the more games that they play the more they get to develop in a statement today CPS administrators confirmed they worked with the vendor that manages payments to referees and expedited efforts this morning to ensure immediate compensation for a portion of sports officials who referee CPS games that were not paid in a timely manner.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_04: There's been no accountability to say that you know we messed up and I think that's part of what I think that's what the guys are looking for.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_00: The back and forth prompting the Illinois high school association to also weigh in saying leaders are monitoring it closely.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_00: At a time when it is becoming more difficult to recruit and retain officials it is vital that they be provided the respect they deserve at every step of the process I expect the situation will be remedied expeditiously tonight no word on how long the work stoppage could last.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_00: And let us go back out and do what we let to do which is to officiate and coach Chris James told me that so far the cancellations have impacted half of his program about 50 athletes tonight he's also worried about the varsity program this week reporting in downtown Chicago tonight I'm yeah and and so um I I just want to uh publicly say that and publicly thank you know the team the game time team uh this is the leadership of game time and these are the leaders of the officials that were affected and so you know again I say it again they don't owe me a dollar they don't owe me a dime but again I feel that when you owe the people that work through game time and and you know the part of the buck stops here with a lot of the stuff uh and this probably would have happened last week but I think Kenny and Brion kept this away from me because I was in the hospital last week and you know I was like I got out and was like hey man I'm starting to get all these calls talking about these people that haven't gotten paid like what's going on and oh yeah by the way yeah dog uh yeah you know and so um we definitely did it on purpose uh me and Kenny had talked about it and um man I I I want to publicly say even on this platform man that I like major kudos to Kenny for kind of you know standing in line with me and just kind of being a force for these for these officials uh we definitely had um a lot of multiple conversations around this about how we were looking to approach this um and no we did not say anything to you on purpose just because we we knew what you were up against we knew you you was in the hospital and so in knowing that and both times I came to see you at the hospital I knew not to say nothing to you about it because I knew that if we had said something then you probably would have been stressed out while you was in the hospital.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_02: So we we made the decision to not say anything to try to figure it out together.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_02: And so I'm I echo the sentiments of like definitely grateful for the leadership that we have within game time definitely grateful that myself and Kenny are able to kind of work together to figure this out together as we go like we is it's a process right this situation is unprecedented um but I feel like we handled it the right way and we got the results that we needed and these officials are now happy and potentially ready to go back to work so let's let everybody know um you know this afternoon that there were several payments that went out you know can somebody speak on that uh there were several payments that went out to officials just based off of what we had been going through the past couple days yeah so based off the fact that we was able to oh go ahead Kenny go ahead um well I reached out to about 40 people and just to make sure that you know hey check your arbiter see if you got paid if you miss any games please let us know and uh we would get that fixed uh for the most part some games were missing but I did reach back out to a couple more people tonight and I guess they paid them after fact but um majority of the people that I talked to they got their they got two weeks okay of compensation all right so what where where are we now like where are we now as far as what we football game start tomorrow who we got so um people did try to start today I got a lot of phone calls hey what are we doing what are we doing what are we doing are we standing down still are we standing down still uh come to find out that CPS actually canceled majority of those games today anyway they canceled them all well I I I got cut I got wind of it uh through the officials um asking what are we doing because they didn't want to make a move without us saying something I say just stand by and we'll reach out to you so now people are reaching out about tomorrow and um we was going to get an answer on that today.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah so as it stands um back to just to kind of piggyback off with what Kenny said um and just in the meeting that we had with CPS Sports Administration um officials were paid for up to two weeks that was the best that they could do with the expedited arrangement uh to to kind of minimize the uh the in jeopardy status of the games for Thursday through Saturday because they know the implications that are in place um if these varsity games are not played.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_02: So they gave us weeks four and five and we've been assured by the higher ups of CPS um who I won't put their name out there um but the higher ups of CPS have agreed and they've given their word on like beyond what Devin Morales or Thomas Smith said that next week officials will be will be paid again for weeks uh five and six.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah and and it was interesting we were on our way down to uh ABC News to do that interview that you guys just saw and we're riding down on the elevator and we run into the boss of the executive director of sports administration we're just riding on the elevator and she looks at our jackets and is like kind of held us back like hey guys I'm so and so uh hey I'm I'm you know I'm the boss boss and just want to talk to you guys real quick and and it was just a weird feeling because we just riding the elevator going downstairs to go over to ABC to do the interview and so um what I really wanted to do too is to get you know because you know everybody's got their the news comp at the news and all of that stuff this is e true Hollywood story stuff right here because these are the people that make this happen right the there was not a strike let's get that straight right now it was called a work stoppage and so what happened I wanted to put it out there to the public I think I was the first person to leak it to the public on my Facebook page uh and I said that there was a work stoppage of CPS football officials based off of the meeting that happened on Monday uh leaving that meeting there was a work stoppage there were people that was in that meeting like nah man I ain't going to do no games and it was hey man take me off of the Arbiter system I don't want to work no more until I get paid and and so based off of that and that information there was a work stoppage basically because they weren't going out there without um their money and kudos to the football officials for taking this stance I was proud because you know I'm like the the granddaddy of game time right and I sit back and I just watch and whatever whatever and I was just sitting there like wow okay these guys these guys want to go to war let's go to war right and so at no point in time was this our decision this was the this was it wasn't even a majority it was unanimous leaving that room and this was what it was you know and so what do we hope to see in the future uh as far as payment you know working with sports administration what do we what do we hope to see in the future so that's a difficult question to to even feel mainly because um the trust within sports administration has been tarnished right and I made that very clear in all of my conversations today on multiple platforms and even with the off the sports of uh the Office of Sports Administration I made it clear to them that the trust has been tarnished just because of the lies and the gaslighting that we've been in front of and so before we can move forward uh to do anything and just for the record um a statement will go out to the officials and let them know that you know we stand in support of what they did and we'll be back at work um on tomorrow so these varsity games can go um but sports administration has to own what they've done we need accountability from the top and realistically I I think I would go as far as saying some type of consequence need to come down too uh because at the at the end of the day those guys go home and every Friday their every other Friday is not affected these officials have gone these officials have gone more than from 21 to 28 days and have not seen a single dollar come into their house and their homes were affected.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_04: So they need to figure out a way to reestablish trust between officials and that office and until they do that I think that we'll be at a stalemate yeah uh oh I mean while we're talking about the issue of nonpayment let me talk about the Chicago football classic y'all on deck too because we ended up working the Mississippi state game against Lincoln uh in Pennsylvania and that was on September 12th and we have not been paid for that game so you know the there's a there's an issue with people paying right now and so if you don't want to pay then you should not want to play right and so we're still waiting for money from the Chicago football classic yeah that that's been leaked on here as well and and this is uh going on almost three weeks of not being paid from them so we have to figure out what's going on one of the one of the the one of the weeks I was in the hospital so that's no excuse but you know we're we're going to have to you know as strong black men I always tell people man you rather boo-boo on Superman Kate than mess with me right and so that's something that that needs to be addressed at well so the next phone calls is tomorrow I'm gonna start sharing the news the newspaper articles with them and say do you want to be next do you want to be next you want to go in there and be next because you can't afford to have your game tarnished any bad than what it is right now if you if the guys that worked that game those stands were empty and you can't afford for it to be any more empty than what it was and that's why I had this podcast called out of bounds because I can talk about stuff that's out of bounds and not paying officials is out of bounds.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_04: That's what we're talking about today and uh you know so there's still some people that's old from the Chicago football class that may be in my next print uh in the newspaper tomorrow who knows let's just talk about it you know and and here's what here's what what really killed me about the whole situation some people was on on the Facebook page talking about well y'all know y'all gonna get y'all money at some point nobody wants to hear that that's old money they want a clear cut day on when they gonna get paid they want to know if they can spend their last money or if they need to borrow some money to get to the next because you sitting there withholding money nobody wants to hear oh y'all know y'all gonna get y'all money and some of the other officials got paid because the football guy stood up and Michael let's let's just be honest Mike you know a lot of those other officials um you know they're frustrated and they've been hurt because they've been around and they they know these practices and in saying that a lot of them a big a big portion of them they're afraid to say something because I think y'all just said it they you know your livelihood or it don't it don't even matter that's their money they work for that money but they are afraid because they were like man okay they're gonna blackball me I'm not gonna be able to work no more some people do live and and they don't have a car or you know they be like man you know it's easy for me to get to this stadium or that stadium you know but uh Brian said it you know so though the mindset and the practices have to change yeah period and and with you look around this call there are five football officials on here all five of us work in the suburbs or in the Catholic league on Friday night four of us have a state championship three of us have multiple state championships and so you looking at the elite of the African American football officials in this area this ain't just some you know what I call and and and and nutty where where you at nudty we we can get this part out of the way right now where you at nudty yeah so so you know I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna get this segment over early my rootie poo candy ass segment right here my rudie poo candy ass segment goes to Devin Morales you rootie poo candy ass for not paying these officials going through all of this being publicly shamed on purpose you rootie poo candy ass now that's all I got to say about that you're the second recipient of that award right the rootie poo candy ass that's that's the award that's given out to the person that hurt their team the person that has made a blunder within the week and that award goes out to the executive director of CPS the guy who was saying that there were glitches in the pay system and we know better because let's just keep it real I was in Kenny and Brion's position maybe for over 10 years and I The people downtown, it's not a glitch in the system.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_04: You said let's let's go back because I have text evidence from the people downtown.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_04: The sub the paperwork was number one submitted late and it was submitted incorrectly.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_04: That's what caused the pay issues.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_04: Submit it late, submitted incorrectly.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_04: That's not a glitch, that's an F up.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_04: There's a difference.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_04: Multiple times, multiple times.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_04: Take accounting, uh take accountability for being a Rudy poo.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_04: That's all you gotta do.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_04: Say, guys, I'm sorry.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_04: Now one time in any of the communications that I've seen from people have they said, guys, we are sorry, this is what happened, and we could not get this done, and this, that, this, and the other.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_04: But you want to play and think that everything is sweet.
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_04: It's not, it's not sweet.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_04: It is not sweet at all.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_04: But I'm gonna tell you this, these are the five, these are the five leaders of Game Design Football Officials Association.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_04: You mess with the wrong guys, you mess with the wrong guys.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_04: I'm sorry, because a lot of people say, man, huh?
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_04: Well, they say F around and find out, man, F around and find out, or be a rootie poo and find out, you know.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_04: So the part of this is that you there's gotta be some accountability, but we know sometimes that's the hardest thing for black men to do is take accountability for their mistakes.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_04: And again, guys, while we on this call, man, I want to say how proud I am of each and every one of you guys for standing up for what's right.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_04: And as we were going to uh we were going to we've been to so many places today going to ABC.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_04: I was riding with Brian and I told him, I said, hey man, we always need to do what's right and what's right for these officials.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_04: No matter, you know, sometimes you got to sacrifice yourself for what's right.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_04: You can't always look at the end result because if you do what's right, the man upstairs is gonna take care of you.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_04: That's all that matters.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_04: That's all that matters.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_04: I'm not even in a position, and I still get when stuff is wrong, people still call me because they know that I'm gonna put forth an effort to make it right.
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_04: Nutty, Nutty, are there any questions on there?
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_04: Because I can't really see.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_04: I see the comments coming through.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_04: Are there any questions in there at all?
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I seen the comments popping up.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it just all comments of people saying that they uh support you.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_03: Keith Floyd know it said, Great job news today, Dr.
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_03: Quick.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_03: There were some other comments from Guy Moore who said he's proud of y'all.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, there's another uh, I believe a gentleman who might be part of the association said, I'm I'm glad the old heads finally, you know, took a stance on this and pushed the button.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_03: Um, there's another comment uh from various batting platform that said I'm proud of you guys for take the took that stance.
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_03: So it's it's a lot of encouragement of people just saying they're they're supporting you guys on what you're doing.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, I know I shared that other article where they they see I guess CPS leaked the story, I guess to try to make themselves look a little good around 4 p.m.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_03: saying that some payments went out and the games will resume this weekend.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_03: I'll just share back on the screen for those who just tuned in.
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_03: If you didn't see that story, so I know y'all are kind of addressed that already.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so about that.
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_02: So about that.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_02: They they made this statement.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_02: Um they made this statement prematurely.
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_02: I met with them this morning, myself and Kenny, we met with them this morning at 11:30, and their request to us was can you, they said their exact words were from Morales, his exact words were I need you to send a statement to the officials and tell them to go to work today because the payments are coming in within an hour or so.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_02: And so my exact response to him was I'm not doing it.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not doing it until I know that officials have money in their account and I'm gonna check with the officials.
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_02: And so from there, um people started, they started to try to send out some payments, but by the time me and Mike had made it down to ABC 7, only about anybody with their first name started from A to G.
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_02: They had sent out partial payments to them.
• 49:07
  SPEAKER_02: They hadn't sent out the rest of the payments to everybody.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_02: So they were trying to get those payments out.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_02: And my and our exact words was our stance is still our stance.
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_02: Until all officials have been paid, they will not, we will not do what you're asking us to do.
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_02: Because what we're not what we the one decision that we made collectively was that we were not about to put ourselves in a situation to where we burned the bridges with the officials that work for us.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_02: It wasn't gonna happen.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_02: So they wanted us to to operate in good faith, but I told them your credibility is shot already, and the trust that we have with you all is gone.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_02: So until we know that officials who are old are paid, we not sending out nothing, and we haven't sent out anything.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_02: But now that we know that every official has been given at least two weeks of payment, which will suffice until next week.
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_02: Now we can send something out and tell the officials to go back to work.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_04: I feel like I'm at Ivan's house with the hookah.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_04: I'm over here talking about it.
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but uh, so guys, we we're gonna we're gonna end it here.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_04: Does anybody have any closing remarks?
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_04: I'll go around.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_04: Uh Black, do you have any closing remarks?
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_06: I just want to thank you.
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_06: Thank you and Nutty, man, for the uh for the platform and the support.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_06: And um, you know, keep up the good work, man, and keep keep having uh discussions and things of this matter on you guys' platform.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_04: All right, man.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_04: You got anything?
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_04: Is it is is it still smoky over there?
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_07: I just want to say thank y'all for doing this, shining the light and everything like that.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_07: Um, we as officials, we always getting like the back end and undercut and everything like that.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_07: And thank you all for standing up for us.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_07: And this platform should shine the light too, and everything like that.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_07: So thank you.
• 51:09
  SPEAKER_07: I appreciate it.
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_04: All right, Brion, what you got?
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_02: I love y'all, man.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_02: Thank y'all for allowing us to uh to have this opportunity to be able to be on this platform, and uh thank y'all for letting us have this opportunity and being able to to even you know shed light.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_02: And thank you to the officials who stood the line with us.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_02: Much appreciated.
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_02: And root to the good bros.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_04: What you got, Kenny?
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, pretty much the same thing.
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_05: Uh uh.
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_05: Appreciate uh all the officials who's sticking with us and uh holding steady and not even asking questions and standing strong.
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_05: Um appreciate you for giving us the the uh the tutelist that you give us and and being real tough on us to figure out to let us know what to do in this situation because this didn't move forward until you asked me and Brian, hey, so what we doing?
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_05: So um, yeah, appreciate everybody.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_06: The classic is next.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah, hey, so uh Letty, you got any questions for the guys before we get out of here at all?
• 52:25
  SPEAKER_03: Or uh no question, but hey, uh there's always strength and unity, right?
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_03: It's it's uh I just you know I go to boxing, you know, I take up boxing classes, and uh open an open hand it gives some strength, but a closed fist is more powerful than separate hands working together.
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_03: So I like the fact that you guys have united together like a fist.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_03: And if y'all had not taken the stand, they'll be putting this off to next week, the week after, right?
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_03: They're they're just stringing it along.
• 53:01
  SPEAKER_03: So stand strong, stand in line, and stand united.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and so my final my final uh thing is you know, everybody on here ain't a part of the fraternity, but when you start messing with the bros, you got big problems.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_04: You got big problems because the the state rap, Cam Buckner, the bros, Ernest Horton from Black Baseball Media, the bros.
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_04: And bros started calling me like 40 going north, Brandon Lenore, the the uh AD at Urban Prep.
• 53:38
  SPEAKER_04: All the bros called and said, What can I do to help?
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_04: And so, more of the story, ladies and gentlemen.
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_04: Don't mess with the bros.
• 53:50
  SPEAKER_04: Don't mess with the bros, the bros will get you.
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_04: Don't you do it, don't you do it?
• 53:55
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• 54:01
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• 54:02
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• 54:04
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• 54:26
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• 54:28
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• 54:34
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• 54:36
  SPEAKER_04: Until then, peace.