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Government Allowed This: Erin Molan on the Hanukkah Terror Attack in Australia · Unshaken & Unafraid with Joe Pags

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  Speaker 1: Islamic extremist open fire on Jews celebrating Hanakah on a
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  Speaker 1: very famous beach in Australia. My guest today heard the
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  Speaker 1: gunshots from her balcony with her child less than a
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  Speaker 1: kilometer away. She says this attack was not a surprise
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  Speaker 1: and that government failures made it inevitable. This is Aaron Mullan.
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  Speaker 2: It's been hard. It's been hard for the entire community.
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  Speaker 2: I think it was already hard for the Jewish community
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  Speaker 2: here in Australia, of which I'm not a part of.
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  Speaker 2: I just am someone with a bit of common sense
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  Speaker 2: and sensible enough to realize they deserve the same protection
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  Speaker 2: that everyone in our society, and since October seven, this
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  Speaker 2: country has really failed them in so many different ways.
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  Speaker 2: But it's disconcerting. I think for a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: there was a build up, so they weren't surprised, which
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  Speaker 2: is an awful thing to say, particularly given we live
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  Speaker 2: in a country with such tight gun laws. We haven't
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  Speaker 2: had a mass shooting in decades. Because we had an
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  Speaker 2: awful incident in Port Arthur and Tasmania and the Prime
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  Speaker 2: Minister at the time, John Howard, came down really strongly
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  Speaker 2: on so we just don't see this kind of thing here. So,
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  Speaker 2: first of all, the mass shooting is it's something that's
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  Speaker 2: not even on the radar for most Australians. Secondly, it
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  Speaker 2: was targeted at a religious group, a bunch of Jews
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  Speaker 2: celebrating you know, the festival of Light Harnka. And Thirdly,
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  Speaker 2: it was Islamic extremists who you know, in the name
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  Speaker 2: of Isis Islamic State are shooting people like animals on
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  Speaker 2: our most famous beach in Australia. And you know, there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of anger. I think, you know, grief and
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  Speaker 2: shock turns into anger. And again that word shock is
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  Speaker 2: just is a constant, but not surprise. And I think
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  Speaker 2: that's the really key part here. There are those of
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  Speaker 2: us who have begged, begged the government to take this
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  Speaker 2: threat seriously, who have watched it unfold, who have been
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  Speaker 2: a part of the avalanche of domestic threats and harassment,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, synagogue bombings, Joe the opera house, chanting
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  Speaker 2: gas the Jews. Where are the Jews marching over the
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  Speaker 2: Harbor Bridge, flying the Isis flag, the talib flag, the
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  Speaker 2: Hesbula flag, harassing kids on their way to Jewish schools.
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  Speaker 2: It's been this build up and we haven't had one
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  Speaker 2: person in leadership do anything tangible that has said this
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  Speaker 2: is not what goes on in our country, not on
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  Speaker 2: my watch. And now we find ourselves here and we've
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  Speaker 2: got innocent lives that have been taken fifteen ten year
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  Speaker 2: old girl shot dead. Having to listen to her parents
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  Speaker 2: talk about their pain has just been harrowing. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: then I watch our Prime minister who's decided that gun
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  Speaker 2: laws is the issue, like, come on, yes, this bloke
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  Speaker 2: should not have been given a gun. His son was
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  Speaker 2: investigated for isis he wasn't a resident, He should not
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  Speaker 2: have been given a gun. He wasn't a citizen. But sorry,
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  Speaker 2: gun laws ain't the issue we face here. And if
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  Speaker 2: you're trying to frame this as now the new battleground
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  Speaker 2: gun laws, we're going to lose thousands more people.
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  Speaker 1: It's Aaron Mullan joining us. It's a Thursday morning in Australia.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate you getting up for us as it's Wednesday
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  Speaker 1: afternoon here in the States. I want to go back
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  Speaker 1: to a few things that you just covering. You just
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  Speaker 1: covered an awful and I know that you're a little
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  Speaker 1: bit under the weather, but you sound and you look great,
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  Speaker 1: but you've been doing so much well, I doubt that
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  Speaker 1: you've got much sleep. And I get that. Let's go
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  Speaker 1: back to what I saw you say as soon as
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  Speaker 1: it happened, that you literally heard the gunshots. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: this isn't you saying, Oh, it happened down the road.
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  Speaker 1: You walked out and you've got a young daughter and
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  Speaker 1: you guys heard something going on. Did you think it
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  Speaker 1: was fireworks? I mean, because again, growing up in Australia,
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  Speaker 1: you probably don't get the guns and the guns sounds
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  Speaker 1: like we get here in the States oftentimes. What did
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  Speaker 1: you think it was?
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  Speaker 2: It's a really good point. So my daughter and I
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  Speaker 2: were on the balcony. We live less than a kilometer
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  Speaker 2: away from the site, and we started to hear the bangs.
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  Speaker 2: And initially you do think fireworks, but there was something
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  Speaker 2: different about this noise. And I guess I don't hear
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  Speaker 2: guns in real life a lot, if ever. But my
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  Speaker 2: daughter's father is a policeman. I've been in this field
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  Speaker 2: for a fair while now I recognize gun sounds for
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  Speaker 2: covering this kind of thing a lot. I grabbed her
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  Speaker 2: and we went inside. I turned on the TV and
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  Speaker 2: within minutes started to see these images come through in
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  Speaker 2: particularly on social media. I actually rang her dad straight
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  Speaker 2: away and my first words to him was, is it
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  Speaker 2: aimed at Jews? We live in a very Jewish area.
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  Speaker 2: That it's my biggest fear, just because I've been a
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  Speaker 2: very public face in this battle, you know, against the
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  Speaker 2: Islamic extremism, against anti Semitism on behalf of the Jewish community.
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  Speaker 2: And the first thing I said to him, and he
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  Speaker 2: said yes, and you know, you just yeah. I feel
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  Speaker 2: like I travel a lot overseas, Joe. As you know,
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  Speaker 2: I go to America a lot. I go to the
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  Speaker 2: Middle East a lot. I go to Canada a lot,
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  Speaker 2: and there's always a lot of security around me when
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  Speaker 2: I travel to those places. But at home, even though
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  Speaker 2: there were all these awful things, that still had this
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  Speaker 2: this safe kind of feeling. I felt like I would
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  Speaker 2: go and do my work and then come home. And
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  Speaker 2: it was, you know, particularly my area, the eastern suburbs
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  Speaker 2: of Sydney, that was somewhere I always felt safe. If
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  Speaker 2: there are areas in Sydney I would not go anymore.
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  Speaker 2: I might have once gone, I now would not go.
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  Speaker 2: Given the stance that I've taken and the work that
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  Speaker 2: I do, but to have it happen right here in
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  Speaker 2: our own backyard, which is what terror does, right. It's
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  Speaker 2: meant to make you just feel feel fear where you're
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  Speaker 2: meant to feel safe. And that's the experience of the
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  Speaker 2: entire Jewish community here. I've spoken to so many people
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  Speaker 2: who were there, who were shielding children who weren't theirs,
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  Speaker 2: parents who couldn't find their children, just that panic. And
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  Speaker 2: you know, I used to use this reference point when
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  Speaker 2: I talk to people about hostages and say, imagine being
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  Speaker 2: in a supermarket. You lose your kid for a second,
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  Speaker 2: and you die inside that level of fearing. There's nothing
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  Speaker 2: else like it. It's just this, And so I would
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  Speaker 2: say to people, imagine if your child was in a
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  Speaker 2: tunnel with hostages, and now I'm imagine your child with
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  Speaker 2: gunshots going out and you can't find your child. There
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  Speaker 2: were parents just scrambling, screaming because kids were playing. It
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  Speaker 2: was a big park, there was a festival, so you know,
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  Speaker 2: parents stand off to the side, kids are playing in
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  Speaker 2: the middle. All of a sudden, these two cowards from
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  Speaker 2: a height so just pointing and shooting and aiming at children.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I can't even imagine that that level of
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  Speaker 2: fear and panic and how you then recover from that
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  Speaker 2: if you're one of the lucky ones to survive it.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of people didn't well eron.
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  Speaker 1: I gotta say the word coward is one I was
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  Speaker 1: going to use. I'm glad that you went there. How
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  Speaker 1: else can you explain people shooting up a music festival
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  Speaker 1: on October seventh? How how else can you explain people
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  Speaker 1: shooting up a Hankka celebration just the other day in Australia.
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  Speaker 1: They are cowards. And by the way, I watched the
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  Speaker 1: entire video, not of people dying, because I didn't I
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  Speaker 1: don't have that in me. But I watched them on
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  Speaker 1: the bridge with their bolt action rifles that they're obviously
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  Speaker 1: allowed to have in Australia. I thought that Australia banned
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  Speaker 1: all rifles, and I'm like, oh, how did these guys
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  Speaker 1: get them? And just they looked like they were military
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  Speaker 1: trained and they were just firing shot after shot after
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  Speaker 1: shot at defenseless people. I don't know if you if
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  Speaker 1: your daughter's father carries a gun or not. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know the situation in Australia, but I do know this
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  Speaker 1: here in Texas, where I live. They would not have
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  Speaker 1: been able to do it for eleven minutes. They would
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  Speaker 1: have been dead way before eleven minutes, and not by
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  Speaker 1: the end of a gun of a cop necessarily. I've
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  Speaker 1: got five guns are in fifteen feet from where I'm
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  Speaker 1: talking to you. Their mine. I'm allowed to have them.
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  Speaker 1: Somebody were to attack my studio, and trust me, they'd
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  Speaker 1: like to, They're not going to get very far. Why
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  Speaker 1: wasn't anybody able to stop the attack within eleven freaking minutes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great question, and it's one that a
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  Speaker 2: lot of Australians are asking as well. So the police
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  Speaker 2: have handguns. Hunting guns are allowed, so you can get licenses.
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  Speaker 2: So these guys had hunting guns. And again I make
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  Speaker 2: the point when someone's son is investigated five years ago
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  Speaker 2: for links to Islamic state post that this bloke was
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  Speaker 2: given six guns. I just can't. So that is an issue, absolutely,
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  Speaker 2: But you're right. The other issue is nobody else had
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  Speaker 2: a gun to try and protect these kids and to
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  Speaker 2: try and protect people. And you know, this is an
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  Speaker 2: age old debate. Police will wait for an investigation to
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  Speaker 2: come through, but a lot of people have been very critical.
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  Speaker 2: I also know a lot of people who are in
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  Speaker 2: the police force who are saying, no, they did their
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  Speaker 2: best with what they had and they were brave. So
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  Speaker 2: it's a really it's a tough thing to kind of
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  Speaker 2: come down hard on until we see the entire picture
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  Speaker 2: the two cowards. As you mentioned, when I first saw
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  Speaker 2: those images, Joe, and I'd put the TV on mute
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  Speaker 2: when i'd come inside because I didn't want my little
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  Speaker 2: girl to kind of hear the commentary. She's now at
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  Speaker 2: an age where she can kind of understand and grasp it.
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  Speaker 2: And I assumed, not even for a second did I
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  Speaker 2: think they were the gunment. I thought they were police
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  Speaker 2: who would come in or like undercut or something. Do
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  Speaker 2: you know why, because as you said, they looked so calm,
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  Speaker 2: and they looked so good, and they looked like they
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  Speaker 2: were so in control and they knew what they were doing.
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  Speaker 2: When I use the word good like good good gunment like,
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  Speaker 2: as in they were experiencing they were how they look
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  Speaker 2: to me, I just was seeing and I assumed they
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  Speaker 2: were they were looking down to attack the gunman that
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  Speaker 2: you know that the terrorists. And then it was only
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  Speaker 2: after a while I went, oh, Lord, and realizing this
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  Speaker 2: is in real time, as in the situation is not over.
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  Speaker 2: This is in real time. They're still going. How are
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  Speaker 2: they still going? How has no one taking them out?
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  Speaker 2: They're still going? And then you know, afterwards you find
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  Speaker 2: out they went to the Philippines just recently last month,
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  Speaker 2: so you know, which is a terrorist hot spot. They
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  Speaker 2: go there to train them. So and the other issue, Joe,
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  Speaker 2: that you know you see in some situations when there's
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  Speaker 2: a civilian or someone who's doing a shooting or committing
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  Speaker 2: a crime, and they look nervous and they're fearful and
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  Speaker 2: they're scared, and you know, this is a new thing
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  Speaker 2: for them. With them, they don't and this is issue.
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  Speaker 2: This is why you can't not call it out for
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  Speaker 2: what it is, which is Islamic extremism. For them, you know,
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  Speaker 2: they're cowards, absolutely. They were cowering behind a concrete wall.
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  Speaker 2: As you know, kids were running and being shot. When
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  Speaker 2: they felt under threat, they cower, but they weren't afraid
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  Speaker 2: of dying. They only were protecting themselves to try and
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  Speaker 2: keep going for as long as possible to kill as
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  Speaker 2: many people. This is what this Islamic extremism terrorism does.
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  Speaker 2: They don't fear consequences. So they're tenfold more terrifying and
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  Speaker 2: more dangerous than any other type. And again I said
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  Speaker 2: that they just looked calm, They didn't look panicked.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't and they were highly trained, as you said,
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  Speaker 1: they weren't panic because, as you said, they wanted to
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  Speaker 1: kill as many as they could because they thought that
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  Speaker 1: was the right thing to do. That's how much.
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  Speaker 2: And they die.
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  Speaker 1: This Islamic extreme is garbage. And they went and got
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  Speaker 1: their seventy two virgins. By the way, they're running in
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  Speaker 1: hell now or the one who died? Did they both died?
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  Speaker 1: Did just the one day?
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  Speaker 2: No? Only one. One's just okay, So.
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  Speaker 1: He's in hell. They're no virgins waiting for him. So
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  Speaker 1: and by the way, it's Erin Mullin, m l an
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  Speaker 1: go follow her everywhere Erin Underscore Mollin over on YouTube
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  Speaker 1: and unbelievable channel that she does. Let me ask about
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  Speaker 1: the setup to the event that happened that day, obviously
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  Speaker 1: a celebration the start of Hanukkah. Did everybody know this
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  Speaker 1: was going to happen, because I understand thousand people or
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  Speaker 1: more were there. Did the whole community know this was
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  Speaker 1: going to happen? Was as widely advertised, and if so,
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  Speaker 1: as a follow up, why the hell you know didn't
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  Speaker 1: And again, I don't want to call your police out.
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  Speaker 1: I'll just call the government out, who seems to be
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  Speaker 1: backward to me in many ways in Australia. Did they
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  Speaker 1: do even the smallest thing to bring some protection knowing
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  Speaker 1: Jews are in the in the cross heirs right now.
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  Speaker 2: It's a great question. And look at and again I say,
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  Speaker 2: every single person who is in a role of authority,
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  Speaker 2: or if it is your job, if your police, if
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  Speaker 2: your government, if you're you know, in the department, there
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  Speaker 2: will be an investigation and if you have not done
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  Speaker 2: your job for whatever reason, then you absolutely must be
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  Speaker 2: held to account. So you know, in fact, a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people are getting in, you know, being shamed for
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  Speaker 2: asking questions. That's our job. We're meant to ask questions.
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  Speaker 2: So you're absolutely right. And when the investigation occurs and
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  Speaker 2: we look at everything, I have no doubt there will
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  Speaker 2: be failings. Of course failings. There's fifteen people dead. And
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  Speaker 2: regarding this event, you know, I was invited to it,
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  Speaker 2: so I knew that it was on. But like a
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  Speaker 2: lot of things in this community, you have to keep
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  Speaker 2: it quiet. You have to keep it private. I'm speaking,
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  Speaker 2: I was speaking at the equivalent event and I still am.
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  Speaker 2: It's still on on Sunday for the end of Hunniker.
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  Speaker 2: I'm the guest speaker, and it was a bit meant
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  Speaker 2: to be a big event outside in the city. They're
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  Speaker 2: now doing a lot of things to change that and
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  Speaker 2: to kind of but again, you know, you can't say
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  Speaker 2: where it is, you can't say what time it is,
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  Speaker 2: you can't do this. You know, it's all like that
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  Speaker 2: is insanity in Australia that we even have to live
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  Speaker 2: that way. So look, a lot of people in the
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  Speaker 2: community would have known that it is on, and there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of It's so interesting in this kind of
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  Speaker 2: WhatsApp group space where I'm part of a lot of
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  Speaker 2: different groups or vast majority of them in the Jewish space,
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  Speaker 2: and often things are shared from groups that are people
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  Speaker 2: who wish to harm yous and they get this information
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  Speaker 2: and they share it in their WhatsApp groups, so it
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  Speaker 2: always leaks out. So people would have known absolutely, And look,
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  Speaker 2: they always do things at Bondai. I've been to three
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  Speaker 2: Jewish events at that exact spot over the last say
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  Speaker 2: ten months. I've been to a friend's sons bar Mitzvah
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  Speaker 2: at the building next door. I take my child to
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  Speaker 2: that park often. It's renowned for you know, it's an
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  Speaker 2: area where a lot of Jewish people live and a
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  Speaker 2: lot of Jewish people would go to celebrate things like
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  Speaker 2: Hahneka for those of.
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  Speaker 1: Us who don't know. And Aaron, thanks for spelling all
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  Speaker 1: that out. It's Aaron molland by the way, m or
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  Speaker 1: La n for those who don't know. And I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I've never been to Australia. Explain Bondai Beach. It sounds beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, a horrific event happened there, but it sounds
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  Speaker 1: like one of those places you'd like to visit, you know,
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  Speaker 1: in your lifetime. Just tell me the geography of it,
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  Speaker 1: the tobography of it. Just what is Bondai Beach If
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know.
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  Speaker 2: So it's I mean, it's bucket list, it's you know,
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  Speaker 2: you look at the different places in Australia that are
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  Speaker 2: renowned that they use in tourism ads, et cetera, et cetera.
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  Speaker 2: The harbor Bridge Opera House, Bondai Beach is always the
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  Speaker 2: beach and it's it's iconic and it's full of tourists.
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  Speaker 2: It's full of people from all over the world. It's
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  Speaker 2: full of locals, it's full of Jews, it's full of Muslims,
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  Speaker 2: it's full of Hindus, it's full of Christians. It's a
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  Speaker 2: melting pot because it is such a tourist hot spot.
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  Speaker 2: It's in the east of Sydney, and the space specifically
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  Speaker 2: for people to understand. So most of your listeners and
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  Speaker 2: viewers would have seen the two men up on that bridge,
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  Speaker 2: and I'll explain the kind of area around there. So
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  Speaker 2: there's a car park behind that bridge connects the kind
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  Speaker 2: of the walkway behind the car park and it takes
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  Speaker 2: you over a car park to get to this kind
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  Speaker 2: of grassy knoll that is just before the beach. So
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  Speaker 2: directly straight across from that bridge where they were standing,
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  Speaker 2: there's a big children's park. On the right, there's a
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  Speaker 2: building that's used for a lot of Jewish events. On
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  Speaker 2: the left is a big flat grass space. There's about
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  Speaker 2: a meter drop and you're basically on the sand of
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  Speaker 2: Bondai and that's the beach there. So these cowards, when
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  Speaker 2: you think about the position they were in, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: no one had a chance, you know, no one had
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  Speaker 2: a chance where they were positioned. It was almost like
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  Speaker 2: you in a cage. You No, it's just just horrific.
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  Speaker 2: But it's it's renowned for joy and happiness, an Australia Day.
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  Speaker 2: It's a massive, big day that you often see Australian
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  Speaker 2: flags there upon thy beach. People are proud of it.
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  Speaker 2: It's something that the people travel all over the world
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  Speaker 2: to come and see. It's there's bars, there's restaurants, there's shops.
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  Speaker 2: It's and again a melting pot. It's a it's a
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  Speaker 2: highly popular tourist destination that now has been stained and
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  Speaker 2: will be stained for I don't know for how long.
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  Speaker 1: It's so it's so horrible what happened. I appreciate you
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  Speaker 1: telling me about the beach. I didn't know much about it.
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  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people here saying Bondi Beach.
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  Speaker 1: To be honest with you, because a Pam Bond here
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: Attorney General. It's Aaron Molin Go to erin Underscore molin
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: over on YouTube. Go follow her on Excess World. Do
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: all of that. She's a little into the weather right now.
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: I've been talking for the for the past four days straight. No,
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: no need to apologize. Let me ask you about how
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: how pervasive things like this are in Australian. Here's what
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: I mean. Here in the States, as you know, for
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: four straight years the Biden administration. It wasn't Biden because
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: he was he was eating ice cream and using autopen,
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: but the people who were running that administration for four
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: years opened our borders. We've got tens, potentially tens of
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: thousands of terrorists within our borders right now. They just
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: stop some event that was playing for New Year's even
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: Los Angeles Pro Palestine group allegedly behind that we had
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: a guy who was sort of an Afghani ally of
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: ours shot two National Guards members in the face. One
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: died in Washington, d C. The day before Thanksgiving. It's
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: pervasive here. There are enclaves of people who are Islamists
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: in this country that would like to see Western civilization
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: go away. What is it like in Australia.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: I want to ask you whether or not you think Canada,
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: the UK and France have been particularly sympathetic to the
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: plight of the Jews, Western civilization Israel And the answer
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: is no, absolutely not been. They have taken less than
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: a handful, if that, of people from Gaza and they
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: are the worst when it comes to this issue, the
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: weakest leaders and the worst Australia. Joe has taken over
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: three thousand. This is just a recent example from Gaza
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: since October seven, a terrorist state where they voted in hamas.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: They are raised to hate and to kill. Make that
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: make sense. France under Macron, No, the UK under Starmer, No,
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: Canada under Kearney. Even those leaders who are as weak
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: as Spinach, I kn't even think they are, just they
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: are horrific, didn't take in three thousand from Gaza. So
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: that's just one example. We have been the beneficiaries in
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: Australia of incredible immigration over the years. We've got, you know,
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: Greek Australians, Italian Australians, Chinese Australians, Indian Australian who have
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: come into this country and contributed immensely. They've embraced our
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: way of life. Yes, they've kept parts of their culture
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: that are special and their own religions which we love
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: freedom to do all of that. But they haven't come
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: here trying to destroy us. They haven't come here trying
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: to force their beliefs upon us. And they haven't come
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: here Joe trying to kill us. That to me, is
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: a good person to bring into your country. Some of
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: the people we now have in this country that have
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: been allowed to just absorb this hateful propaganda, who have
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: watched other people in this nation attack Jews for two years,
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: who have not been punished and not been held to account.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: This ideology is spreading. We've got groups here, We've got more,
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: some preachers who celebrated October seven. We had people celebrating
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: it on the steps of the Opera House. Did one
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: of them pay a price? No, So we have pockets
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: of people in this country who want to kill us,
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: who haven't come here and said, this is a great
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: opportunity for me to raise my kids in the most
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: incredible country in the world. They've come here and thought,
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: I want to destroy what this is. And we've had
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: leadership who has allowed people to come into this country
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: who wanted to destroy us. Now the number one job
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: of any government, and I say the same thing about Israel.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: It's not even it's not your duty to defend your people.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: That's ridiculous. It is. It is your job. It is
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: your entire point of existence. It's not your right like
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: you have to This is the thing This is why
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: we put people in power, like, yes, all the other
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: stuff can come secondary, sort the economy, blah blah. Keep
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: us safe, that's it. Don't let people in who are
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: gonna kill us. Erin.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: It's the first job. I'm sure you've heard about what's
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: happening in Chicago, what's happening in Minneapolis. In the States,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, those people don't think they have to protect
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: the people in their cities, those governors that don't think
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: they have to protect the people in their states. It
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: doesn't Again, Biden for four years didn't think you had
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: to protect the American people. But here's the question. France
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: is backward on immigration, but they were smart enough. Same
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: thing with Canada, same thing with Italy is dumb on immigration.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: I think they've done a better job with not taking
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: as many gosins as you guys have. So so let
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: me ask you this, what was the sales job? What
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: was the sales pitched by your leadership? We need three
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: thousand people in our country that have nothing but hate
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: for Judeo Christian values and for Western civilization. What did
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: they say?
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Joe, Joe, Joe, Now you've made a rookie era, as
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: if they asked as if as if they sought our approval.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, yeah, I'm on so.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: They did it.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Well, let me stop here because you make me go
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: to the next point. Because you're right, it was a
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: rookie question, maybe rhetorical, give me a little credit.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: But having said that, because it's such a legitimate question to.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: What's going on in the UK. No, you're right. By
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: the way those watching listening, there's a bit of a delay.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: We're not really talking over each other. It takes a
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: second to get to get to Australia. In the UK,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: they pretty much said to the to the residents of
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: the UK also, But now they've taken it to the
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: step that if you complain about those shutting down London
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Bridge by doing the prayer, you get arrested if you
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: posted on Facebook or x Are we there in Australia too?
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: Can Eric?
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Can you do what you do without fear of persecution
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: or not?
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Look, I can from that perspective absolutely, I get you know, persecution,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: not from government in regards to being arrested. We're not
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: in the UK yet, but I mean, give us time, Joe,
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: give us time. I look at what's happening over there
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: and it's it is insanity and the absolute hypocrisy of
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: it too. You know, you can come into the UK
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: if you like, despite the fact that you have celebrated
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: October seven online and you have said you want to
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: kill Jews, but god forbid, you're someone who was born
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: there and you say, I don't want that person who
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: wants to kill us to come into the country. Go penitentiary,
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: ten years, you're gone. I mean, it's not even exaggerating. Yeah, yeah, like,
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: but this is the issue, and this is this is
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: why people are terrified to fight back and people you know,
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: you've got on one side, You've got the Islamic extremists
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: and Joe as you know, because you're in this space too,
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: and you fight against this as well. That's a somewhat
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: terrifying prospect being on their radar. Then you've got to
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: also worry about the people who are charged with keeping
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: you safe, saying, oh no, you might have hurt someone's
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: feelings who wants to kill us when you said, when
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: you say that you don't want Islamic extremists in Australia,
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: that might have hurt their feelings. And we just can't
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: afford that because we are an open welcoming nation. I mean,
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: come on, like it would be parody if someone came
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: to you, Joe and said, I want to do this
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: short story or this movie or this series. And this
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: is what's going to happen. There's going to be a
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: country and they're going to say we're going to let
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: all these people who have terrorist ideology into the country.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: The people already in the country are going to say, no, no,
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: we don't want them here because we want to live
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: and we want to protect our kids. And then the
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: government says, how dare you you racist bigots? Go to jail.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: You'd say, oh, it's just not believable enough. It's a
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: bit silly.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: It could it couldn't be proved. Well, you're you're right.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Wait, they'd say, no, one believe it.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: It is. It is Aaron Mullin. Go and follow her
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: m l A and is her last name, first name Erin.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: It's Aaron underscore Molin on socials. Go follow her on YouTube.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: She's doing very very well on YouTube. Let me let
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: let me throw this out there people in this country
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: because of what happened in Washington, d C. Because of
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: what's going on in in l A. And thwarting that
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: that that want to be attacked. People here are saying
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: out loud, get them out. We didn't vet anybody from Afghanistan.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: We didn't vet anybody. God forbid that somebody's here from Gaza.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: I don't think they are. Maybe they are, I don't
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: think so. Uh, but we we aren't vetting anybody for
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: four years. Now suddenly we're seeing people dying in the
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: streets because of a strange belief to our land. We
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: are saying, get them out. Are the people rising up
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: in Australia saying find these people and get them out,
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: please say that they.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Are absolutely look not in the kind of numbers that
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: I would I would prefer, but I think it's I mean,
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: what risk are you willing to take? And I made
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: this point off the back of Trump's action, you know,
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: after one of your latest shootings and involving the Afghanistani.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: And I made the point. You know, my dad was
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: over there fighting. There were incredible people in that country
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: who helped the Allied forces, who were translators, who were fixers,
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: who risked their lives to help. And my heart breaks
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: that we can't help all of them. But that's just
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: a reality. This suicidal empathy will kill us and Australians,
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: I think, are the same. Again. We are a welcoming nation.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: We love people from all over the world coming to
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: our country. We need people to come. We're a small country.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: But I think Australians are now starting to realize that
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: actually there's a price you pay if your desire for
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: empathy and your desire from a government perspective to get
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: lots of taxes in, and your desire to look like
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: you're good, decent people somehow becomes a greater pull and
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: a greater force than your desire to keep people safe.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: And that's where we've suddenly landed. I think here in
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: Australia again, it's not about being racist. Not wanting people
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: to come in and kill you is not racist. It's
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: not figurted, it's not Islamophobic, it's none of those things.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: It's just sensible. It's common sense. It's survival instinct. Were
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: human beings. We are wired. The terrorists aren't, clearly, but
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: we are wired to survive and to fight for survival.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: And I just wish that that, you know, urging people
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: was stronger, and I feel like it will be now.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: So yes, we're already saying to people, we've got to
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: get these people out. You know, in the UAE, in
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: parts of the Middle East, in Arab nations, you can't
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: even say a terrorist organization's name. You can't. You can't
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: hold up a banner or a flag, or you are arrested,
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: if not worse, they have zero tolerance because they know
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: who these people are and they know what they're capable of.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: Yet here in Australia, why do we think we know better?
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: In Western nations, we're like, oh, no, freedom of speech. No,
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: you're waving a terrorist flag, chanting death to Jews. Well,
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: look you got what you wanted now and you're still
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: in this country.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: What's interesting Eron is is the freedom of speech argument
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: is a bad one. And here's why it's a bad one.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: And we believe in free speech more here in the
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: United States, I think than anywhere else on earth. It's
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: a bad argument because my retort is always this, in
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: nineteen forty three, if a bunch of Germans showed up
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: on our shore and decided to put on the SS
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: uniforms and march down Main Street, USA, would we have
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: allowed it. That's free speech, freedom to assemble, freedom to
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: bring redress, of course not. It's an enemy force. It's
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: an enemy force that is literally saying we want to
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: kill you and your way of life. That's what these
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: people are doing. When they're flying Palestinian flags or or
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Hamas flags, or ISIS flags or is the Islamic State flaw,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: whatever the hell it happens to be, the Muslim Brotherhood flags,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: they are saying we are here to kill you. That
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: isn't free speech. That is an attack, is what it.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Is, exactly. And you look at the mandate of any
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: of these organizations, at their I mean, it's not even
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: like they're subtle. If they were really clever and hiding
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: their intentions, we could all wake up the other day
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: and say, you know what, there's nothing we could have
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: done because we had no idea they felt this way.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: We have no idea that someone inspired by Islamic State
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: would want to kill us, or somebody funded by the
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: Muslim Brotherhood would want to kill us. Well, you know what, Joe,
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: they write it down, they preach it, They told us
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: a million times over. They have told us what they want.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: It is to destroy us, to kill us, to replace us,
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: and ignorance, Yes, exactly. And then we go, oh, my gosh,
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: what the hell. No, they're telling us. They're telling and
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: they're telling us how go in, go in, do it peacefully,
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: immerse yourself, schools, universities, social media. You know, it's not
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: it's not that we've suddenly just gone, oh my gosh,
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: what's going on? We know, but for some reason we're
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: arrogant enough to think it won't happen to us, or
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: they're not really serious.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Well, they are serious, They are well, and they keep
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: on proving it to us, and we keep on saying, oh,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know. You know, you mentioned something earlier that
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Australian government said, Hey, maybe it'll help the tax base,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: and hey, it'll show that we're really good people. I
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: don't think the first part is even is even in there.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: I think it's all trying to prove to somebody that
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: we don't have to prove anything to that we're nice people.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Of course we're nice people. We live in civilized societies.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Western civilization is the best that has ever existed, and
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: they hate it because they don't have the power and
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: control to force whatever weird belief they have upon us.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: So I think it's probably the second. We see a
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: lot of that in the United States. It's Aaron Mullen. Aaron,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: You've given me so much time. I want to finish
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: with this. If you don't mind, you've got to come
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: back more often and stop stopped talking me.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Never I know.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: Let me, let me, let me ask you this. You're
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: not Jewish. I'm not Jewish. I'm a Christian person.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: I think you're a Christian I am, Katherine.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Why do you fight so hard for Israel? Why are
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: you okay but being called as I mean? Why is
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: it that you put yourself in the front and center
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: to defend these people who's religion you are not a
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: part of?
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Joe, do you know what the best example of why is? No,
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: tell me what happened on Sunday. Yes, what happened on
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Sunday is the best example of my why. And not
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: just because I'm a human being who cares deeply about
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: human beings from all different backgrounds, culture's religions. That could
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: have been me there with my daughter. That they don't
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: care who they kill, and I knew from day dot
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: that this kind of evil was not just trying to
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: destroy the Jews. So yes, I would stand with any
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: minority group of people who are being attacked by terrorists.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: But my stance is also a selfish one, because I
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: am smart enough to understand that when they drive a
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: car into a Christmas market in Brussels, they ain't checking
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: if you're wearing a cross or a star, whether you're Hindu,
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: whether you're Muslim. They don't care. They want to destroy
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: us all. So I could see straight away that this
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: kind of evil ideology was coming for us all. They
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: might start with the Jews, they might derive more joy
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: from killing the Jews, but they are happy to wipe
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: us all out, and that's part of their plan. So
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: you've got to stand with the side of good versus evil,
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: and Joe if my country can't look at what happened
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: on Sunday, because I looked at October seven, and I
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: knew straight away which side I was on. It was
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: not complex, and it's not the side of guards and
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: children versus Israel. They're on the side of Israel. The
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: guards and children. In my mind, they're innocent children born.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: The enemy to them and to Israel is the same.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: It is Islamic extremism. I knew straight away the side
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: of good versus evil. If Australians can't look at what
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: happened on Sunday, and if the Western world can't look
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: at that and say which group do I align with more?
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: A group of innocent people celebrating their faith, peacefully trying
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: to protect each other, people jumping on top of other people,
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: giving their lives for others. Or two cowards on a bridge,
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: male adults with shotguns with rifles shooting people off like animals.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: If you can't determine which side more alignce with your values,
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: then screw you. You don't belong in any Western country.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: It's my why as well eron. I think that's why
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: we hit it off so well and why we get
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: along so well. I'll finish with this something you know,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: but I'll say for the audience's sake as well. On
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: nine to eleven A lot of Muslims died that day
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: in those buildings. It didn't matter that there were Jews, Muslims, Christians, atheists,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: none of that mattered. Hindu Buddhists, it didn't matter. What
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: mattered was they wanted mass casualties to scare us into submission.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Something you want allowed to happen to you, something I
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: want allowed to happen to me. And by the way,
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: when they kill Muslims, they say it's okay. They're going
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: to go straight to the right hand of Allah. It's
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: okay if they die during our mission, which of course
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: is nuts. As you said, it's not sane to allow
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: this to happen and not raise your voice and say something.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: You've got a major voice, not only in Australia, but
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: you're globally. You're growing every single day. Thank you for
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: being out in front of this, and thank you so
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: much for your friendship and for coming on today.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: You are a legend, and I know that your audience
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  Speaker 2: loves you already. But if I can just say, I've
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  Speaker 2: met so many people in this industry over twenty years
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  Speaker 2: in media, you are one of the most genuine, passionate,
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  Speaker 2: best broadcasters I've encountered, and the most supportive of other broadcasters.
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  Speaker 2: And let me tell your audience that is rare. That
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  Speaker 2: is extremely rare. So you should value this bloke that
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  Speaker 2: you get to listen to every day. They're very lucky
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  Speaker 2: to have you as am I as ore. We thank you, Joe.
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  Speaker 1: Honored so much erin thank you so much. I can
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  Speaker 1: say exactly the same. Your way, people like you could
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  Speaker 1: easily blow somebody like me off and the fact that
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  Speaker 1: you're mutually supportive not only of me, but of other
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  Speaker 1: broadcasters as well. It just means that you are so
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  Speaker 1: secure in what it is that you're doing and you
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  Speaker 1: want more people to do it the right way as well.
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  Speaker 1: Erin thanks a million, make rest your voice for a
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  Speaker 1: second of your kennel and come back on against you.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I'd love to.
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  Speaker 1: You're amazing, all right. That's it for Unshaken and Not
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