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Accused rapist Harvey Weinstein still out on bond after new indictments against him. · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. He held me down on
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Speaker 1: the bed. I tried to get away. I would try
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Speaker 1: to get him off of me and kept asking him
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Speaker 1: to stop, but it was impossible. I remember Harvey Actorwards
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Speaker 1: rolling over onto his back saying, don't you feel we're
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Speaker 1: so much closer to each other now, to which I
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Speaker 1: replied no. The next thing I knew, he had unzipped
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Speaker 1: his fly and pulled out his penis. My heart started pounding,
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Speaker 1: my mind started racing. How do I deal with this?
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Speaker 1: How do I get out of this? Am I going
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Speaker 1: to get out of this? You are hearing a montage
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Speaker 1: of various women. There are many more accusing Harvey Weinstein
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Speaker 1: of attack. That was Mimi Jileia and Heather curR talking
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Speaker 1: about their sex attacks stories. I mean, see Grace, this
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Speaker 1: is crime stories right now. Harvey Weinstein still on bond
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Speaker 1: with all of these sex assault charges against him, joining
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Speaker 1: me an all star panel, Troice Slaton, renowned defense turney
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Speaker 1: out of la John Cardillo, former NYPD doctor, Daniel Bober,
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Speaker 1: renowned forensic psychiatrists, joining me out of the Florida jurisdiction
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Speaker 1: right now, to Levi Page, Crime online dot Com investigator
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Speaker 1: reporter Levi, what's the latives with Weinstein, Well, he has
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Speaker 1: new charges that have been filed against him, and we
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Speaker 1: don't know the identity of the victim that's accusing him
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Speaker 1: because that's kept under still. But we do know as
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Speaker 1: part of these new sexual assault charges against him, than
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Speaker 1: an actress that started the Sopranos, an Emmy Award winner,
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Speaker 1: Annabella Siora, has is going to be used as a
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Speaker 1: prior bad act witness. She claims that in the nineties
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Speaker 1: that he set surely assaulted her one time after they
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Speaker 1: had a business meeting in New York City, that he
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Speaker 1: forced his way into her apartment and violently raped her,
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Speaker 1: and then after that rape, that he sexually harassed her
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Speaker 1: in the workplace for years and this has caused her
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Speaker 1: so much trauma and distress that she now sleeps with
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Speaker 1: a baseball bat at her side. This is one of
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Speaker 1: the more horrific tales of sexual assault that he's allegedly committed,
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Speaker 1: and she is going to expected to testify against him
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Speaker 1: as a prior bad act as a similar circumstances to
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Speaker 1: the new allegations that have been leveled against him. Hollywood
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Speaker 1: hanto Harvey Weinstein pleading not guilty to two new charges
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Speaker 1: of predatory sex assault. As his trial in New York
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Speaker 1: now delayed by four more months, he pleded not guilty
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Speaker 1: in the last hours to an indictment, adding two new
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Speaker 1: charges to his New York trial. Prosecutors argue the indictment
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Speaker 1: will now open the door for remember the hit show
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Speaker 1: on HBO Sopranos, the actress Anabella Siora from The Sopranos
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Speaker 1: to testify against him in the sex assault case. As
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Speaker 1: you heard, Levi describes, yours has one seeing raped her
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Speaker 1: inside her Manhattan apartment after she started in a film
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Speaker 1: for him for his movie studio in the nineties. Now,
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Speaker 1: prosecutors could not charge him with the attack on Siora
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Speaker 1: because of the time statute of limitations, but this new
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Speaker 1: indictment will allow them to call her as a witness.
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Speaker 1: The case has also been moved to January six. What
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Speaker 1: about it to Troy Slayton? Similar transactions, that's what they
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Speaker 1: are called under the law prior bad acts, Nancy. This
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Speaker 1: is a way for prosecutors to make an end run
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Speaker 1: around the constitution and bring in charges that they would
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Speaker 1: not otherwise be able to bring because they're time. I'm
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Speaker 1: barred by the law. In this case, the judge had
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Speaker 1: previously ruled that the allegations that Amabel Isshiura had made
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Speaker 1: about an attack in nineteen ninety three could not be
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Speaker 1: brought before the grand jury. She was barred from testifying
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Speaker 1: before the grand jury because these claims are too old.
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Speaker 1: And there's a good reason why we don't bring claims
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Speaker 1: that are twenty thirty years old against somebody. It's because
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Speaker 1: they're too hard to defend. People's memories fade, things get lost.
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Speaker 1: That's such bs. You know, in most jurisdictions there's no
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Speaker 1: time limit on similar transactions. So maybe in your jurisdiction
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Speaker 1: out in LA there's a time limit, but not so
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Speaker 1: in the majority of jurisdictions across the country, especially when
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Speaker 1: there is a finger print crime. And what I mean
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Speaker 1: by that to forensic psychiatrist doctor Daniel Bober, according to
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Speaker 1: all of these women, it's the same thing over and
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Speaker 1: over and over. Hey, you want to part in my movie,
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Speaker 1: Come and talk to me about it. The nice female
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Speaker 1: secretary assistant knows darnwell what's going on in ushers. They
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Speaker 1: fly into the spider web where she's raped. Same thing.
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Speaker 1: Let's go back to your apartment, talk about your career,
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Speaker 1: she's raped. It goes on and on and on. As
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Speaker 1: a fingerprint crime. He always does the same thing, Doctor Barber.
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Speaker 1: Why shouldn't the jury here about it? It shows a
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Speaker 1: pattern of conduct that is so similar that that is
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Speaker 1: his m O. And so in cases like this it
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Speaker 1: is admissible for that reason. John Cardillo joining me from
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Speaker 1: her NYPD, What do you know about Weinstein? So interesting, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: Back in two thousand and nine, I was doing some
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Speaker 1: consulting producer work with a very well known television producer
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Speaker 1: for one of the larger networks. We were looking at
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Speaker 1: a series about sexual predators and how law enforcement will
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Speaker 1: track them. It was a bit gritty, so it never
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Speaker 1: got picked up. But I was in the car myself
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Speaker 1: this producer again a household name and a retire LAPD detective,
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Speaker 1: and the producers said, we were talking about the pervasive
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Speaker 1: problem of sex abuse in Hollywood, and this is ten
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Speaker 1: years ago. He said, I don't know how Harvey Weinstein
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Speaker 1: isn't in jail for the rest of his life. And
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Speaker 1: the agent said to me, he goes, yeah, you know,
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Speaker 1: we've tried, but this guy is a horrible person. He
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Speaker 1: destroys careers. The LAPD Task Force had info on an
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Speaker 1: NYPD and just going back ten years now, they said
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Speaker 1: they had witnesses, but like the stories were hearing today,
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Speaker 1: he would destroy their careers preemptively and then continue not
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Speaker 1: just to harass them now again this is anecdotal, but
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Speaker 1: also harass their friends, their family, destroy careers in the
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Speaker 1: business of people that would even go and have a
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Speaker 1: coffee with them to console them. This is before this
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Speaker 1: was ever in the headline, So when this all came out,
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Speaker 1: it wasn't surprising to me. It comported with what I
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Speaker 1: was told ten years ago by a very reputable source,
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Speaker 1: and the stories that they told me then about him
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Speaker 1: are almost identical today. I have to say, as a
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Speaker 1: former investigator, I believe every one of his victim because
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Speaker 1: people as high profile as Annabella Siora have nothing to
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Speaker 1: gain by coming out and telling the stories in the
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Speaker 1: way they're telling them, nothing to gain whatsoever. And your
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Speaker 1: former NYPD, what do you make of New York prosecutors
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Speaker 1: having one victim wired and having Weinstein trying to caught
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Speaker 1: on audiotape trying to force himself onto her or sexually,
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Speaker 1: and they didn't prosecute it. Well, it wasn't them. I blame.
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Speaker 1: I squarely blame, and I know some of the investigators
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Speaker 1: on this case, former colleagues of mine Manhattan DA Cyrus Vans,
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Speaker 1: who I feel through this case, and I'll say it
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Speaker 1: through this case because Weinstein was a big donor, and
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Speaker 1: Weinstein's lawyer was a big donor to his particular political party.
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Speaker 1: Weinstein's lawyer donated to his campaign. Weinstein hung out with
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Speaker 1: a New York elite that Sivans needed to stay in office.
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Speaker 1: And the Special Victims detectives on this case were absolutely livid.
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Speaker 1: They were infuriated to the point where they wanted to
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Speaker 1: shut down helping the DA's office. But they get in.
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Speaker 1: Their professionals and their other victims deserve justice, but to
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Speaker 1: a person, to a man and woman in the Special
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Speaker 1: Victims Unit and their commanders, they were infuriated at the
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Speaker 1: way the DA dropped this case. Let me just add this,
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Speaker 1: the New York City Police Department Special Victims Unit has
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Speaker 1: some of the most talented, proficient professional detectives in the world.
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Speaker 1: They don't present cases to the DA's office unless they
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Speaker 1: are one hundred percent sure those cases could be made.
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Speaker 1: So again, they were livid about the long story short,
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Speaker 1: understand this Cardilo. I don't blame the SVU. I don't
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Speaker 1: blame the detectives. They're the ones that wired her up.
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Speaker 1: They're the ones that bent over backwards, did some arsaults,
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Speaker 1: did flips to try to get him, and they did
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Speaker 1: get him. It all came to a screeching halt in
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Speaker 1: the district attorney's office where no one would take it
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Speaker 1: to trial. Now the case has a delay. The trial
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Speaker 1: now delayed because of a new indictment, and it's got
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Speaker 1: to be delayed because the defense needs time under the
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Speaker 1: law to prepare right or wrong choice. Letton, That's right,
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Speaker 1: Nancy and the prosecutors and defense team are gonna duke
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Speaker 1: it out in legal briefs about what the actual charges are,
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Speaker 1: so that way the defense team knows going into the
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Speaker 1: trial exactly what it is they have to defend against
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Speaker 1: crime stories with Nancy Grace. I was sitting on the
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Speaker 1: bed talking to Harvey when he pushed me back and
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Speaker 1: forced himself onto me. It was not consensual. He did
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Speaker 1: not use a condom. Once he excused himself to go
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Speaker 1: to the bathroom, and he came back in nothing but
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Speaker 1: a robe. Obviously his whole Demeri demeanor changed. He's holding
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Speaker 1: my forearm pretty forcefully, and we're both now standing in
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Speaker 1: front of the mirror, and he just keeps saying, just
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Speaker 1: watch me, just watch me masturbate. And I waked up,
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Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, he takes his pants
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Speaker 1: down and starts doing his stuff, and I hate blocking
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Speaker 1: the door. I can't get out. And then he says,
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Speaker 1: you know, you're a really nice girl. You shouldn't tell
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Speaker 1: anybody about that. You are hearing a montage of various women.
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Speaker 1: There aren't any more accusing Harvey Weinstein of attack. The
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Speaker 1: trial now delayed because of a new indictment, and it's
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Speaker 1: got to be delayed because the defense needs time under
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Speaker 1: the law to prepare. Of course, the court is absolutely right,
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Speaker 1: how in the world did we get here? Listen? Prosecutors
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Speaker 1: also recently obtained an email Evans road in twenty fifteen
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Speaker 1: to a man she later married. They say that account
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Speaker 1: differs from the one she provided to investigators. Weinstein's attorney
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Speaker 1: says he thinks Evans lied about what happened. Lucia Evans,
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Speaker 1: who you will see from the documents released as clearly
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Speaker 1: in our opinion, committed perjury on several occasions, but her
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Speaker 1: attorney maintains she's telling the truth. It only speaks volumes
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Speaker 1: about the Manhattan DA's office, and it's mishandling in Mike
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Speaker 1: client's case. They used her for months, they had all
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Speaker 1: of the evidence that they have now. They made her
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Speaker 1: walk through the scene of the crime, release her most
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Speaker 1: personal therapy and medical records, and sit through endless hours
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Speaker 1: of interrogation and pratt. Weinstein walked into Manhattan Criminal Court
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Speaker 1: this morning, where a judge dismissed a sexual assault allegation
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Speaker 1: made by one of three women in the case, actress
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Speaker 1: Lucia Evans. She had accused the movie producer of forcing
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Speaker 1: her to perform oral sex during a meeting at his
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Speaker 1: office back in two thousand and four, but the single
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Speaker 1: charge was dropped by the judge after the court unsealed
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Speaker 1: a letter Manhattan prosecutors wrote to Weinstein's lawyer last month
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Speaker 1: about new evidence uncovered. A witness claims NYPD detective Nicholas
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Speaker 1: Degaudio coached her to stay silent about evidence, partially contradicting
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Speaker 1: evans account of the sex assault allegation, allegedly telling her
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Speaker 1: less is more, you were hearing CBS New York to
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Speaker 1: reporter Alice Gainer, reporting on the stunning blow to the state,
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Speaker 1: joining me Vincent Hill. Cop turned PI asked you Wilcott,
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Speaker 1: judge and lawyer, doctor Bethany Marshall, renowned LA psychoanalyst, and
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Speaker 1: now Alexis to Rezchuk investigative reporter Radar online dot Com Alexas,
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Speaker 1: what is happening now. What's happened is the prosecutors in
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Speaker 1: Manhattan have decided to drop one of the sex charges
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Speaker 1: against Harvey Weinstein from the first victim who came forward,
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Speaker 1: Lucia Evans. What they are saying is that there are
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Speaker 1: multiple examples that they have found that contradict her story,
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Speaker 1: her version of the attack of Harvey Weinstein. What she
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Speaker 1: said is that he forced her to perform oral sex
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Speaker 1: on him, watched to masturbate everything that everybody knows about
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Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein. What they said is that one of her
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Speaker 1: friends had been spoken to by a detective and said
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Speaker 1: that she had a different story, and that Lucia had
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Speaker 1: told her a different story, and the detective told this friend,
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Speaker 1: will you are under no obligation to testify. So Harvey
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Speaker 1: Weinstein's attorneys argued that this was basically witnessed tampering. The
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Speaker 1: detective was not following the right protocol, had basically, in
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Speaker 1: their words, broken the law by doing what he was doing,
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Speaker 1: and was damaging the case, and the judge threw the
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Speaker 1: charge out because of her Listen to this, The NYPD says,
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Speaker 1: an internal affairs investigation over the allegations against the detective
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Speaker 1: began a week ago and he is now off the case.
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Speaker 1: The overall criminal case against mister Weinstein remained strong. The
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Speaker 1: evidence is compelling. There are five remaining counts in the indictment,
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Speaker 1: including predatory sexual assault. In total, more than seventy five
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Speaker 1: women have come forward accusing Weinstein of sexual abuse. But
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Speaker 1: Weinstein's lawyers are seeking a full dismissal of the entire indictment.
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Speaker 1: After evans allegation was dismissed, we argue that the Lucia
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Speaker 1: Evans perjury contaminates certainly count one, but in our opinion,
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Speaker 1: the entire granjury presentation. You are hearing again from CBS
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Speaker 1: New York to reporter Alice Gaynor. But the dismissal of
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Speaker 1: count six does not affect the remaining counts of this indictment.
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Speaker 1: There have been many times in a plea agreement when
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Speaker 1: somebody's charged with ten felony counts, I will merge. Let's
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Speaker 1: just say somebody breaks in and they're charged with a
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Speaker 1: burglary and they're charged with theft of a car. I'll
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Speaker 1: merge them and I'll say, fine, you plead guilty to
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Speaker 1: the big one burglary and I'll drop the theft by
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Speaker 1: taking a car. There's many times one count is dismissed
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Speaker 1: and you go forward on the other counts. In this case,
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Speaker 1: I doubt, very seriously there's going to be any plea
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Speaker 1: bargaining going on. As his trial in New York now
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Speaker 1: delayed by four more months, you pled not guilty in
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Speaker 1: the last hours to an indictment, adding two new charges
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Speaker 1: to his New York trial. Prosecutors argue the indictment will
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Speaker 1: now open the door for remember the hit show on
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Speaker 1: HBO Sopranos, the actress Annabella Siora from The Sopranos to
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Speaker 1: testify against him in the sex assault case. Listen and
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Speaker 1: to this we are exclusively airing never before heard audio
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Speaker 1: of the first conversation Harvey Weinstein had with the New
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Speaker 1: York Times reporters who broke the story of his alleged
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Speaker 1: sexual assaults on the tape, you can hear Weinstein trying
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Speaker 1: to defend himself as his empire is about to fall apart.
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Speaker 1: Here's Les Trent. Hello, Hello, Harvey Weinstein. The secretly recorded
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Speaker 1: tape was made in twenty seventeen. No excuse me. This
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Speaker 1: is Harvey Weinstein talking on the phone. Weinstein and two
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Speaker 1: New York Times reporters, Jody Canter and Megan Tooey, who
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Speaker 1: give Weinstein a chance to respond to their investigation. We've
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Speaker 1: found a pattern over three decades of alby through the
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Speaker 1: special round of multiple Lena, I think you ought to
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Speaker 1: be specific and tell me who they are and if
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Speaker 1: they're on the record. Weinstein tries to challenge their reporting.
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Speaker 1: There are many mistakes you've made. You want to identify
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Speaker 1: an we will, I promise you we will. I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: say this nicely. Get the facts right your journalists. But
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Speaker 1: now disgraced media mogul tries to defend himself. I'm not
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Speaker 1: a saint, but I'm not the sin of you think
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Speaker 1: I am. The reporters ask Weinstein about actress Rose McGowan,
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Speaker 1: who said she was sexually assaulted by Weinstein in nineteen
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Speaker 1: ninety seven. One hundred thousand dollars or Rose mcgawen following
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Speaker 1: any counter in a hotel room, is there any meeting money?
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Speaker 1: And tell us about that. Weinstein refers almost every question
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Speaker 1: to his attorney, Charles Harder. I'll let Charles handle that.
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Speaker 1: I think Charles can respond to that. Charles Harder's frequent response, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I will get back to you on that. We'll get
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Speaker 1: back to you. Yeah, I'm going to get back to
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Speaker 1: on all of these things. Weinstein did respond soon after
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Speaker 1: denying any sexual misconduct. Weinstein was in a conference room
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Speaker 1: and it is now shuttered offices in the tribecahood of
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Speaker 1: Manhattan when the call with the Times reporters took place.
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Speaker 1: They told Weinstein they wanted to record the interview standard procedure.
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Speaker 1: They said, we're going to for accuracy. To think of
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Speaker 1: accuracy recorded. I'm not comfortable with that. We can we
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Speaker 1: forget about that. You guys are not recording. Uh now
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Speaker 1: we're not recording you. But according to this man, Weinstein
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Speaker 1: was lying. He tells me to take the conversation. Frank
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Speaker 1: Gill is former head of human resources for the Weinstein Company.
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Speaker 1: After the call, Frank Gill says Weinstein became paranoid. That
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Speaker 1: an insider at his company was feeding information to the Times.
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Speaker 1: Two days after the tape was made, the Times published
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Speaker 1: its bombshell story you were hearing our friends and inside
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Speaker 1: edition crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I'm Nancy Grace. This
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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Harvey Weinstein still on bond with all
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Speaker 1: of these sex assault charges against him, joining me an
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Speaker 1: all star panel, Troye. Slaton, renown defense turning out of
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Speaker 1: la John Cardillo, former NYPD doctor, Daniel Bober, renowned forensic psychiatrists,
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Speaker 1: joining me out of the Florida jurisdiction right now. To
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Speaker 1: Levi Page Crime online dot Com investigator reporter Levi, what's
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Speaker 1: the latives with Weinstein? New charges filed against him? And
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Speaker 1: we don't know the identity of the victim that's accusing
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Speaker 1: him because that's kept under still, but we do know
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Speaker 1: as part of these new sexual assault charges against him,
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Speaker 1: than an actress that started the Sopranos, an Emmy Award
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Speaker 1: winner Annabella Siora, has is going to be used as
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Speaker 1: a prior bad act witness. She claims that in the
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Speaker 1: nineties that he's sexual assaulted her. She is going to
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Speaker 1: expect it to testify against him as a prior bad
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Speaker 1: act as similar circumstances to the new allegations that have
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Speaker 1: been leveled against him. Hollywood Hanto Harvey Weinstein pleading not
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Speaker 1: guilty to two new charges of predatory sex assault, as
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Speaker 1: his trial in New York now delayed by four more months.
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Speaker 1: How in the world are we right here? Right now?
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Speaker 1: How can all these women be ignored? Held me down
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Speaker 1: on the bed. I tried to get away, tried to
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Speaker 1: get him off of me, and kept asking him to stop,
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Speaker 1: but it was impossible. I remember Harvey afterwards, rolling over
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Speaker 1: onto his back saying, don't you feel we're so much
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Speaker 1: closer to each other now, to which I replied no.
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Speaker 1: The next thing I knew he had unzipped his fly
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Speaker 1: and pulled out his penis. My heart started pounding, my
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Speaker 1: mind started racing. How do I deal with this? How
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Speaker 1: do I get out of this? Am I going to
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Speaker 1: get out of this? As a matter of fact, we
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Speaker 1: have audio tape where Harvey Weinstein allegedly can be heard
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Speaker 1: pressuring a young woman, a model, pressuring her to watch
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Speaker 1: him take a shower. Oh, my skin is crawling. I'm
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Speaker 1: telling you, what do we have to do here? I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna take a shower. You sit there and have a drink, drink,
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Speaker 1: and I stay on the bar. No, you must have Please,
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Speaker 1: I'm not doing anything. I'm sorry. I didn't know no yesterday.
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Speaker 1: It was a kind of aggressive for I need to
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Speaker 1: know a person everything. Please square, I won't just sit
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Speaker 1: with me. Don't embarrass me in the hotel. I'm here
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Speaker 1: all the time, so please sit there, please do in
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Speaker 1: one minute to the bath, please, I don't want to
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Speaker 1: do something. I don't want to go to the Bada
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Speaker 1: can listen to me. I want to go downstairs. I'm
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Speaker 1: not going to do anything. You'll ever see me again
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Speaker 1: after this. If you know, if you embarrassed me in
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Speaker 1: this hotel, I'm not embarrassing you. It's just that I
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Speaker 1: don't like them feel comfortable. I mean, you don't have
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Speaker 1: a thing with me in the Please, I'm not going
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Speaker 1: to do anything. I swear my children. Please come in
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Speaker 1: on everything. I'm a famous guy. You're being very uncomfortable
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Speaker 1: as coming now and one minute and if you want
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Speaker 1: to leave when the guy comes with my grease, please,
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. You just come on. I'm used to that.
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Speaker 1: You're used to that coming, you know, but I'm not
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Speaker 1: used to that. Over again. See here. Please, No, I
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Speaker 1: don't want to now you embarrassed. I'm sorry, I know,
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Speaker 1: but yes I was. I mean, I will never do
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Speaker 1: another thing to five minutes. Don't love your friendship with
23:13
Speaker 1: me for five minutes. I know, but it's kind of
23:16
Speaker 1: like it's so much for you. Please, you're making a
23:19
Speaker 1: big scene. I just feel like I want to throw
23:25
Speaker 1: up after hearing that you were hearing when one of
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Speaker 1: the alleged victims of movie mogul Harvey Weinstein coercing a
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Speaker 1: young model, Ambra Batilana guitaras forcing her or trying to
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Speaker 1: into a sex act. And with me now the man
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Speaker 1: who was taking on Harvey Weinstein representing two of the
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Speaker 1: women that claim he assaulted them, Jeff Herman is with
23:58
Speaker 1: me plaintiff's lawyer and the Harvey Weinstein and Brian sing
24:01
Speaker 1: Or sex assault lawsuits. That takes a lot of guts.
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Speaker 1: Let me tell you something, It's hard to go against
24:08
Speaker 1: somebody rich and powerful and famous. Believe you me, I've
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Speaker 1: done it and I still suffer the repercussions from it
24:16
Speaker 1: to this very day. First two alexis tterrestchuck before we
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Speaker 1: hear Jeff Herman's take on this, Alexis Turesschuck Radar Online
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Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter, Alexis, how many women are now
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Speaker 1: claiming Weinstein either or harass them, came on to them,
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Speaker 1: touch them, or outright raped them. This is a sickening number, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: It is almost one hund Moly, Alexis, how did it
24:43
Speaker 1: get to be one hundred? Help me? I think that
24:44
Speaker 1: people are so have been so snowed by these men
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Speaker 1: for so many years, and as a reporter, I have
24:53
Speaker 1: to include the statements from the people that are accused
24:55
Speaker 1: that it's what we have to do in our job.
24:57
Speaker 1: And so the fact that you fought back against that
24:59
Speaker 1: man is really interesting. It was Rose McGowan who has
25:02
Speaker 1: been calling out Harvey Weinstein. Yes, people, Rose McGowan, Yep,
25:05
Speaker 1: she is not a lone voice in the wilderness, although
25:08
Speaker 1: she may have been one of the first. Before I
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Speaker 1: go to doctor Bethany Marshall, la psychoanalyst, I want to
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Speaker 1: go to Jeff Herman, the man who is taking on
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Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein. Jeff, you know you're jumping out of the
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Speaker 1: frying pan and into the fire, right because you know,
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Speaker 1: as much as we all suspect he did this I mean,
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Speaker 1: could one hundred women be wrong and if one of them,
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Speaker 1: one of them is telling the truth about rape. You know,
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Speaker 1: in some jurisdictions you can still go to jail for
25:36
Speaker 1: life for rape. Jeff, you know that you're a lawyer.
25:39
Speaker 1: So long story short, it doesn't matter if he's guilty
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Speaker 1: to some people. He's rich and he's powerful. Okay, tell
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Speaker 1: me the whole thing, Jeff, Hermans, start at the beginning.
25:51
Speaker 1: How did you first decide you would take on Harvey
25:56
Speaker 1: Weinstein and civil courts since apparently police are doing nothing right.
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Speaker 1: So the first case that I took on was for
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Speaker 1: Dominique Hewitt, which is the young aspiring actress who when
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Speaker 1: she tells her story, it's very interesting because she's one
26:13
Speaker 1: of the victims who, like many of these, are what
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Speaker 1: we call complying victims. They're adult women who end up
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Speaker 1: being lord into hotel room. What she alleges is that
26:23
Speaker 1: she's thinking it's a business meeting, and then he comes
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Speaker 1: out in a bathroom naked underneath and starts to touch
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Speaker 1: her and persist until the point where she relents. Now, actually,
26:35
Speaker 1: the reason I use the word complying because it explains
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Speaker 1: why victims why it's so difficult to come forward because
26:42
Speaker 1: there is a self plain to self blame. They think
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Speaker 1: they've done something wrong and doesn't I'm not saying a
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Speaker 1: complying victim means they're not victimized. What I'm saying is
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Speaker 1: it's a term that explains the complexity of what goes
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Speaker 1: on in the victim's mind and how the perpetrators able
26:55
Speaker 1: to get away and got to think of a better word.
26:57
Speaker 1: I want to go to the first one that Jeff
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Speaker 1: Harman has Scribe's representing its Dominique Hewitt. Jeff Herman, tell
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Speaker 1: me how you met her, how you analyze her demeanor,
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Speaker 1: and what you've learned about her case. Before we moved
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Speaker 1: to the next list, victim Dominique reached out to me
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Speaker 1: and wanted to tell her story. I wasn't sure what
27:19
Speaker 1: she could do, whether there was any action she could take,
27:22
Speaker 1: and she in our in our in our first conversations
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Speaker 1: talk about well, she felt that maybe you know, she
27:29
Speaker 1: could have run out of the room, maybe she did
27:31
Speaker 1: something wrong. And then we talked about that, and um,
27:35
Speaker 1: she began to understand sort of the pressure she was
27:37
Speaker 1: in and how when she was in that room her
27:41
Speaker 1: mind sort of froze and she went into what some
27:43
Speaker 1: people call this tonic immobility, which is like, what did
27:47
Speaker 1: you say, the tonic immobility? Tonic immobility, I've never heard that.
27:52
Speaker 1: What is that? It's it's like the free state, when
27:56
Speaker 1: when a person's in their stress response, they freeze, and
28:00
Speaker 1: as much as they may want to scream and run
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Speaker 1: out of the room, they can't. They feel paralyzed, and
28:05
Speaker 1: that's very confusing to a victim. I get a lot
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Speaker 1: of cases for women who are assaulted in getting a massage,
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Speaker 1: and afterwards they questioned themselves, well, why didn't I run?
28:14
Speaker 1: Why didn't I scream? And the answer is they couldn't.
28:16
Speaker 1: Their minds would not let them because they're sort of
28:19
Speaker 1: playing dead as a defense mechanisms. A moment, I want
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Speaker 1: to go through this particular victim's claim, or should I
28:28
Speaker 1: say alleged victim, Alexis Torreschuk, give me in a nutshell
28:32
Speaker 1: what happened with Jeff Herman's client, Dominique Hewitt. She, like
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Speaker 1: many other women in Hollywood, agreed to take a meeting
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Speaker 1: with Harvey Weinstein at the Peninsula Hotel. This is back
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Speaker 1: in twenty ten, and she went to the meeting, which
28:46
Speaker 1: I know it seems weird to people that I have
28:49
Speaker 1: all of their business meetings, you know, at work in
28:51
Speaker 1: a conference room. But this is the way that Harvey
28:54
Speaker 1: Weinstein has been conducting his meetings for thirty years. That's
28:57
Speaker 1: not unusual, alexis, I'm sorry, go ahead. So she shows
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Speaker 1: up to his hotel room and he's wearing a robe
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Speaker 1: and there's nothing underneath it. He grabs her and he
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Speaker 1: starts molesting her. And this this is exactly what all
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Speaker 1: of the other victims have said. They said that they
29:15
Speaker 1: show up, he's in a robe. You know, he's this
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Speaker 1: huge guy, and so he's physically not only is he
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Speaker 1: physically intimidating, he is the most powerful man in Hollywood.
29:23
Speaker 1: He has made careers of so many people, so everybody
29:28
Speaker 1: wants to work and destroy careers, if you believe Ashley Judd.
29:32
Speaker 1: So when you say he molested her, what okay, Alex says, sorry,
29:35
Speaker 1: but this is Nancy Grace crime stories. You don't get
29:37
Speaker 1: off with sugarcoating it. What does she say happen? She says,
29:40
Speaker 1: he grabbed her under his clothes, he grabbed her breasts
29:42
Speaker 1: and he started fondling her and she was terrified. Well,
29:45
Speaker 1: there you go. Jeff Herman, the lawyer who is taking
29:49
Speaker 1: on Harvey Weinstein in two of these cases. Does that
29:52
Speaker 1: jibe with what she's told to you? Well? Yeah, I
29:53
Speaker 1: mean what what what? He starts with the massage and
29:56
Speaker 1: says she leg He says, giving massage, come on, let's
29:59
Speaker 1: just looks. Help us calm down and relax. And she
30:03
Speaker 1: resists it first and helped me calm down right, and
30:07
Speaker 1: he persists, and eventually she finds herself giving him a massage,
30:12
Speaker 1: and then he kind of rolls older and he starts
30:15
Speaker 1: to masturbate, and he stands up and sort of masturbates
30:19
Speaker 1: in front of her, and then then the meeting end.
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Speaker 1: Jef Herman, aren't you and Alexis trest shut leaving something out,
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Speaker 1: something called sodomy, Alexis, how did you leave it that
30:29
Speaker 1: little fact? I did? I left out the fact he
30:31
Speaker 1: performed oral sex on her because she felt like she
30:33
Speaker 1: had too. Okay, Alexis, Jeff and doctor Bethany, let me explain.
30:38
Speaker 1: When it's not consensual, it's not oral sex, it's a
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Speaker 1: cron And this is what Dominique Hewitt just said. Listen
30:46
Speaker 1: to this alleged victim of Harvey Weinstein in her own words.
30:50
Speaker 1: I feel like it was a coercive thing, just that
30:54
Speaker 1: he wouldn't let it up, that he that it was
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Speaker 1: just going to happen no matter how hard I refused,
31:02
Speaker 1: And you said, no, how did it end? Did you?
31:06
Speaker 1: How did you leave the hotel room? Um? It just
31:12
Speaker 1: that I left after pretty much he was done with
31:16
Speaker 1: whatever he intended to do, So I just left after.
31:21
Speaker 1: I don't know how to put it yet. Let me
31:23
Speaker 1: ask Jeff, because he's there with you, your lawyer. You filed,
31:27
Speaker 1: you filed the first lawsuit against them, and it's not
31:29
Speaker 1: Harvey in particular, it's the Weinstein Company, and I'm wondering, Well, first,
31:32
Speaker 1: let me ask ask you, Dominic. Do you did you
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Speaker 1: ever report it to the Weinstein Company or to the board.
31:39
Speaker 1: I did not because I had heard a lot of
31:41
Speaker 1: stories about his behavior in the past, and I just,
31:44
Speaker 1: you know, I was an actress looking for a break
31:46
Speaker 1: and he's a gate keeper, and he I felt that
31:49
Speaker 1: he used his position, you know, to try to make
31:52
Speaker 1: me do something that is not in accord with how
31:55
Speaker 1: I usually behave. That was from NBC's Megan Chilly to
32:12
Speaker 1: Clime Stories with Nancy Grace. Back to the man who
32:18
Speaker 1: was taking on Harvey Weinstein in two of the alleged
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Speaker 1: sex assaults by the Hollywood superstar. I want to ask you, Jeff,
32:31
Speaker 1: you claim that you are very interested in taking Weinstein's brother,
32:36
Speaker 1: Bob Weinstein's deposition, as well as other Weinstein Company employees,
32:42
Speaker 1: to see who knew what and when? In other words,
32:46
Speaker 1: were other people within the Weinstein Company complicit? Did they,
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Speaker 1: in my world, aid and abet him raping or sodomizing
32:55
Speaker 1: unsuspecting women? Explain your legal theory, Jeff Herbert. The second
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Speaker 1: case that I filed for Katie and Noble actually also
33:03
Speaker 1: sued Bob Weinstein and the Weinstein Company for exactly that
33:08
Speaker 1: aiding and abetting what I considered to be a violation
33:11
Speaker 1: of the Federal sex trafficking crimes in that they knew.
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Speaker 1: We alleged that Harvey was using his position of power
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Speaker 1: for decades to get women alone, sometimes in his hotel room,
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Speaker 1: where he would then coerce them and then use physical
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Speaker 1: force to get these women to engage in sexual behavior
33:31
Speaker 1: with him, at the same time dangling help in their career,
33:36
Speaker 1: which which in essence is sort of providing them with
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Speaker 1: some sort of benefit. And because of that, we think
33:43
Speaker 1: that they're liable under these these sex trafficking laws. And
33:46
Speaker 1: so with Bob there's allegations that he even was paid
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Speaker 1: for some settlements. You know, there's been settlements and allegations
33:52
Speaker 1: going back for decades, even before there was the Weinstein Company,
33:55
Speaker 1: there was Mirramax, and we believe that he knew it
33:58
Speaker 1: back then. Jeff, who is your other client? So the
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Speaker 1: other client is Katie Noble, who is a young British
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Speaker 1: actress who met Harvey Weinstein at the bath To Awards
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Speaker 1: in London, and Harvey came over to her said he
34:15
Speaker 1: loved her look, he was going to help in her career,
34:18
Speaker 1: and then immediately put her in touch with people in
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Speaker 1: his company that she followed up with them and sent
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Speaker 1: him over a film reel, and then ran into Harvey
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Speaker 1: again at the Kem Film Festival, and she alleges there
34:30
Speaker 1: that Harvey said, oh, I haven't had a chance to
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Speaker 1: see the film reel. Let's go up to my room
34:35
Speaker 1: and look at it, which he did. But interestingly, when
34:37
Speaker 1: they get up to the room, he calls what he
34:40
Speaker 1: claimed he to be one of his producers, and he
34:42
Speaker 1: puts the producer on the phone with Katie and and
34:44
Speaker 1: the producer says to her, listen, Harvey is going to
34:47
Speaker 1: take care of you. Just do whatever he wants. And
34:49
Speaker 1: she's not really sure what he's talking about, but to
34:52
Speaker 1: hang up the phone. They start watching the film reel,
34:55
Speaker 1: and then Harvey says to her, listen, I just really
34:57
Speaker 1: want you to like me, and he starts to touch her.
35:00
Speaker 1: She says no, she walks away. He grabs her, she
35:04
Speaker 1: alleges she drags her into the bathroom, where he puts
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Speaker 1: her in front of the mirror, and then from behind,
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Speaker 1: while he's watching himself do this, fondles her rest and
35:13
Speaker 1: then takes out his penis and puts her hand and
35:15
Speaker 1: holds it on her penis and masturbates himself while he's
35:18
Speaker 1: watching this in the mirror. I'm just a little confused.
35:21
Speaker 1: I feel like Alice in Wonderland where everything doesn't fit anymore.
35:25
Speaker 1: I want you to listen to this. A beautiful young actress.
35:28
Speaker 1: She's just absolutely gorgeous. Katian Noble. Here she is speaking
35:34
Speaker 1: out saying, quote what he's done, it just ruins people's lives.
35:39
Speaker 1: Then I went to Cans in May twenty fourteen, and
35:44
Speaker 1: whilst I was there, Harvey Weinstein approached me in the
35:48
Speaker 1: majestics in the lobby. It was quite forceful in a
35:52
Speaker 1: sense of telling me to relax, and I think then
35:56
Speaker 1: I started to like get a little bit refused. He
36:03
Speaker 1: took hold of me and pretty much forced me to
36:07
Speaker 1: walk with him to the ballroom where he stood me
36:10
Speaker 1: in front of the mirror and he stood behind me,
36:15
Speaker 1: and I was like, what are you doing, and like
36:18
Speaker 1: he's like touching me from with me and he's like,
36:20
Speaker 1: just relax and I'm telling him to stop, and he
36:24
Speaker 1: would raise his voice, but at the same time he
36:26
Speaker 1: kept reassuring me that everything's going to be okay. Katie
36:30
Speaker 1: Noble is a British model and aspiring actress who was
36:34
Speaker 1: coming forward now over an alleged assault, and she speaks
36:38
Speaker 1: through tears, saying what he's done ruins people's life. She's
36:45
Speaker 1: doing not only Weinstein, but his brother Bob Weinstein and
36:49
Speaker 1: the Weinstein Company, claiming they violated USX trafficking laws when
36:54
Speaker 1: the high profile Hollywood producer allegedly assaults her brutally into
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Speaker 1: fourteen now. This action has been filed in the District
37:03
Speaker 1: Court in Manhattan. She says that Weinstein used Naomi Campbell
37:10
Speaker 1: and of all people Oprah Winfrey, who is like beloved
37:16
Speaker 1: to trick her. Now, don't think Naomi Campbell and Oprah
37:19
Speaker 1: Winfrey had anything to do with any of this, But
37:22
Speaker 1: what she saw was this alleged victim. Kadian saw Weinstein
37:28
Speaker 1: hanging out with Naomi Campbell and had Oprah Winfrey near him,
37:36
Speaker 1: and she thought, wow, you know it must be legit.
37:42
Speaker 1: I mean, of course, somebody like Weinstein would never ever
37:47
Speaker 1: attack someone in power that could actually retaliate. Oh no,
37:53
Speaker 1: his victims are people that he believed nobody would ever
37:58
Speaker 1: listen to. We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace crime story,
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Speaker 1: signing off goodbye friend,