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EERIE TWIST: HAWAII BEAUTY DISAPPEARS BETWEEN FLIGHTS AT LAX, WHERE’S HANNAH? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Breaking news tonight, an eerie twist emerging in the case
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  Speaker 2: of a Hawaiian beauty who disappears between flights at lax
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  Speaker 2: La Airport.
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  Speaker 3: Where is Hannah Good evening, I'm Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories, Thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 4: Picture show Hannah Kobeashia arriving in a black hoodie with
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  Speaker 4: colorful sweatpans while wearing a pair of headphones as she
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  Speaker 4: walks through lax Her ex boyfriend makes it to the
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  Speaker 4: connecting flight to JFK in New York, but Hannah does not.
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  Speaker 4: There isn't a lot of time between landing from Hawaii
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  Speaker 4: and catching the connecting flight to JFK, just over sixty minutes,
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  Speaker 4: and some believe she simply missed the connecting flight and
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  Speaker 4: will take the next available flight on Saturday. Her suitcase
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  Speaker 4: is on the plane to JFK.
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  Speaker 3: None of this is making sense now.
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  Speaker 2: We all saw the famous movie Terminal all right with
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  Speaker 2: Tom Hanks senate about someone that ends up living in
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  Speaker 2: an airport.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, that's not real.
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  Speaker 2: This is joining me an all star panel to make
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  Speaker 2: sense of what we know right now. But first two,
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  Speaker 2: alexis Tereschuk Crimeonline dot Com investigative reporter Alexis, thank you
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  Speaker 2: for being with us. Let's just take it very slowly.
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  Speaker 2: Tell me about Hannah's bucket list. I understand that she
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  Speaker 2: was coming from Hawaii layover in LA brief layover, and
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  Speaker 2: she was headed to a photo assignment in New York,
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  Speaker 2: and that she took that assignment because going to New
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  Speaker 2: York City was on her bucket list.
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  Speaker 3: What else can you tell me?
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  Speaker 5: She lives in Hawaii. She has a beautiful array of
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  Speaker 5: her work on her Instagram, So she is a photographer.
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  Speaker 5: She got this job in New York. Yes, that is
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  Speaker 5: part of her bucket list. She wants to travel the
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  Speaker 5: world and she wants to show off her beautiful photography.
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  Speaker 5: So she lands in Los Angeles on Friday, November eight.
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  Speaker 5: If this is about she has a connection at eleven pm,
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  Speaker 5: she misses it. But the thing was that she was
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  Speaker 5: traveling with a friend, an ex boyfriend. They were going
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  Speaker 5: to go together to New York even though they were
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  Speaker 5: broken up. They were traveling together.
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  Speaker 3: Whoa whoa wait, Antana going up?
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  Speaker 2: Did I hear BF boyfriend? Did I hear those words? Yes?
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  Speaker 5: Actually ex boyfriend?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, stop right, there, stop right there. Stop, stop, stop
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  Speaker 2: and stop. I'm trying to make sense of what I'm hearing,
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  Speaker 2: because we all know I want to go straight out
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  Speaker 2: to Gregory Morse's high profile lawyer at King and Morse,
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  Speaker 2: author of the Untested on Amazon. Greg Now, I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: all your clients are innocent.
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  Speaker 3: But that said, the first place you look.
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  Speaker 2: When anybody goes missing is husband, boyfriend, an ex lover.
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  Speaker 3: Would you agree with that?
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  Speaker 6: That's right?
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  Speaker 7: I do agree, and I agree that everyone that King
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  Speaker 7: morseh represents is likely innocent. And I do agree that
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  Speaker 7: the police and any family member looking would go right
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  Speaker 7: to the last person that saw Hannah alive before it
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  Speaker 7: was in texts, which would be the ex boyfriend. It's
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  Speaker 7: strange that they were traveling together even though they're apparently
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  Speaker 7: ex boyfriend and girlfriend.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, throwing in the word x Alexis Tereschuk
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  Speaker 2: means nothing. And Greg brought it up too to Scott
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  Speaker 2: Iiker joining us, who has worked many many missing persons cases,
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  Speaker 2: founding member of the FBI's Cellular Analysis Team.
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  Speaker 3: C ast. That's impressive, Scott.
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  Speaker 2: Asign from your expertise in cellular, cell phone and digital analysis.
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  Speaker 2: Let me talk to you about missing people. The fact
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  Speaker 2: that the boyfriend is an X, that means nothing to me,
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  Speaker 2: because you are a man. Men only become enraged when
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  Speaker 2: the woman breaks up. That makes someone that is have
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  Speaker 2: violence just beneath the surface boil over.
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  Speaker 3: So the fact that it's an X means nothing.
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  Speaker 2: An ex that decided to travel with her on this trip.
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  Speaker 8: I totally agree, X means nothing.
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  Speaker 3: It's still a romantic liaison.
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  Speaker 8: I totally agree. I mean they've had a past, we
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  Speaker 8: don't know what the future is, and that that relationship
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  Speaker 8: and it's always someone that you have to start looking initially.
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  Speaker 8: Is the last person that saw her? Export friend was
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  Speaker 8: on the flight with her.
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  Speaker 3: You know, that's one thing alexis Tereshchuk.
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  Speaker 2: That's the last thing I would want to break up
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  Speaker 2: with a man. And then there he is sitting beside
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  Speaker 2: me on a five hour flight or however long it
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  Speaker 2: is from Hawaii to LA Like, right there, you break
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  Speaker 2: up with him, and there he is.
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  Speaker 1: But correct me if I'm wrong.
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  Speaker 3: But he made his connecting flight, didn't he which them?
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  Speaker 1: He did?
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  Speaker 5: He went on to New York. They only had about
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  Speaker 5: an hour layover in Los Angeles. He got onto the
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  Speaker 5: next plane.
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  Speaker 2: She did not okay, you joining us from La Alexis.
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  Speaker 2: If you could just describe the LA airport, and you
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  Speaker 2: know there's that stretch Alexis which is underground. It's a
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  Speaker 2: long I mean you can't even see the end of it.
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  Speaker 2: When you're getting off one plane and you're going elsewhere,
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  Speaker 2: you have to go in a long underground tunnel where
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  Speaker 2: you lose cell reception very often. You know that spot
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  Speaker 2: in La. Yes, so Lax is a mad house.
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  Speaker 3: It's crazy, and.
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  Speaker 5: It's seven terminals and it's not like the Atlanta airport
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  Speaker 5: where you have that train that moves you from terminal
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  Speaker 5: to terminal. You have to walk everywhere in Los Angeles,
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  Speaker 5: so you walk underground from terminal to terminal, and it's
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  Speaker 5: it's like a huge U shaped so to go from
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  Speaker 5: terminal to terminal can take quite a long time if
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  Speaker 5: you're walking it. It's just a gigantic airport.
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  Speaker 2: And when you're trying to make a connection, in one
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  Speaker 2: hour your flight lands, then your next flight takes off
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  Speaker 2: in one hour. That's almost impossible in Lax.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, back to you.
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  Speaker 2: Scott Iiker, founding member FBI Cellular Analysis Survey Team and
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  Speaker 2: expert in missing people. Do you believe the fact that
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  Speaker 2: the boyfriend actually catches his connecting flight excludes him because
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  Speaker 2: apparently police do.
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  Speaker 8: That takes a little bit more of investigative work. You
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  Speaker 8: don't know what happened prior to the flight, if he
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  Speaker 8: was involved in maybe you know, drugging her or something
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  Speaker 8: simple like that. She got off the plane, went to
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  Speaker 8: you know, disappeared after that, he made it further onto
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  Speaker 8: the connecting flight. What happened in between in that forty minutes?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, let me think about what Scott Iiker just said.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me is Brandt, in addition to Alexis Tereschuk, Scott Iiker,
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  Speaker 2: and Gregory Morrise IRV former Senior Inspector US Marshall Service
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  Speaker 2: International Investigations Branch, author of a series of books on
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  Speaker 2: Amazon about Jack Solo, the first being Solo Shot Curse
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  Speaker 2: of the Blue Stone. Okay, hold on, IRV. Do you
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  Speaker 2: remember when you and I investigated Caitlin Armstrong, the so
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  Speaker 2: called glam a yoga instructor number one. She killed Mariah,
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  Speaker 2: a beautiful, young world class dirt.
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  Speaker 3: Bike rider who was happening to be in town for
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  Speaker 3: a race.
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  Speaker 2: Dear, there's Caitlin at the airport and I believe that
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  Speaker 2: that is. Let's see, it's not Leguardia, it's not JF Kay,
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  Speaker 2: that's got to be the airport. That's got to be Newark's.
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  Speaker 6: It's Liberty International in Newark.
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  Speaker 3: Uh huh. Yes. Now remember how Caitlin Armstrong who had
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  Speaker 3: just murdered Moe.
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  Speaker 2: Just because Moe had a hamburger with Armstrong's boyfriend. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: all this over a hamburger. That said, they caught her
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  Speaker 2: every move. She was using her sister's passport. She went
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  Speaker 2: on to hide out in Costa Rica, and you actually
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  Speaker 2: called it weeks before she was caught. IRV Brandt down
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  Speaker 2: there teaching surfing yoga. She had plastic surgery on her face,
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  Speaker 2: changed her hair, going by a different name, but the
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  Speaker 2: US marshals found her, HERV Brandt.
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  Speaker 3: What I'm leading up to.
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  Speaker 1: Is, look at her.
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  Speaker 2: They had her every move, not once, but in two airports.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the only place with more video surveillance than
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  Speaker 2: an airport may be a Vegas casino or target. Of course,
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  Speaker 2: who has the best surveillance video ever, That said, IRV Garantee,
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  Speaker 2: you law enforcement has pulled the video in lax and
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  Speaker 2: watched the boyfriend's every move of.
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  Speaker 6: That I have no doubt Nancy, like the other panelists,
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  Speaker 6: said that you're going to focus primarily on a relationship
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  Speaker 6: person first until you rule them out. And I'm sure
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  Speaker 6: that the FBI and the LAPD tracked the boyfriend's movements
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  Speaker 6: across the airport, made sure he did get on the flight,
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  Speaker 6: then probably tracked his movements in New York to confirm
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  Speaker 6: that he wasn't no longer a person of interest in
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  Speaker 6: this case.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I'm thinking about Lax Earth and everybody on
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  Speaker 2: the panel also joining us renowned psychologist Karen Stark. Karen Stark,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to circle back to you, because last thing
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  Speaker 2: you want is your ex popping up in the seat
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  Speaker 2: beside you.
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  Speaker 3: God forbid it.
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  Speaker 2: Be a middle seat that said this woman, gorgeous beauty
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  Speaker 2: out of Hawaii. Guess as far as Lax then seemingly
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  Speaker 2: vanishes between flights, the first place you look in an airport,
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  Speaker 2: Scott Iker, how.
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  Speaker 3: Do you I mean lax is over five acres.
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  Speaker 2: Where do you start looking for her in an airport?
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  Speaker 2: The bathrooms, the lounges, the restaurants, But it should be
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  Speaker 2: easily spotted there, So then you have to go behind
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  Speaker 2: the scenes, behind the doors, that say employees only.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, how do you do it?
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  Speaker 3: Scott?
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  Speaker 8: Well, as you said, those cameras in the airports are
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  Speaker 8: just fantastic, And I mean you have a starting point,
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  Speaker 8: you know, the exit from the plane into the terminal,
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  Speaker 8: then you just follow that person hopefully. I mean, I've
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  Speaker 8: been to lax It's it's a nutt place and it's
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  Speaker 8: just so many people I can see. It might be difficult,
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  Speaker 8: but still possible to follow it through the terminal. She
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  Speaker 8: goes you away from the airplane itself and then to
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  Speaker 8: other parts of the airport itself.
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 3: The search for Hannah riddled with mystery.
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  Speaker 2: She leaves Maui scheduled to catch a flight at lax
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  Speaker 2: a flight to New York City, but missed it because
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  Speaker 2: of a short layover. According to her family, police working
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  Speaker 2: with the family to find her in a desperate search.
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  Speaker 3: So what happens next?
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  Speaker 9: Thirty year old Hannah Kobeya She is on a bucket
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  Speaker 9: list trip from her home in Hawaii to New York.
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  Speaker 9: She is going to visit an ant in Upstate New
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  Speaker 9: York and take photos at a DJ show in Brooklyn.
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  Speaker 9: Kobeyashi plans the trip with her boyfriend, but they break
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  Speaker 9: up before the trip.
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  Speaker 1: Unable to get a refund.
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  Speaker 9: They agree to fly together to New York and go
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  Speaker 9: their separate ways upon arrival. Hannah and her ex arrive
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  Speaker 9: at Los Angeles International Airport on Friday at nine pet
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  Speaker 9: fifty three pm, and I have a connecting flight to
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  Speaker 9: JFK in New York scheduled for eleven pm.
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  Speaker 2: What happened to a Hawaiian beauty? On her bucket list trip?
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  Speaker 2: She takes a photo of Simon in New York. She
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  Speaker 2: finally gets to go see the city. She gets to
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  Speaker 2: La Lax Airport and then vanishes.
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  Speaker 3: Something is very wrong with this scenario.
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  Speaker 2: Then I hear Alexis Tereschuk that she's at the airport overnight.
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  Speaker 2: She's waiting for an early morning flight hopefully, and then
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  Speaker 2: suddenly she pops up at the grove. Hold on, I
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  Speaker 2: need a shrink, Karen Stark joining me. We're now a psychologist,
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  Speaker 2: TV radio trauma expert and consultant. If you're looking for
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  Speaker 2: her online, she's at Karenstark dot com. Karen with the
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  Speaker 2: Sea Karen. A lot of this isn't making sense to
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  Speaker 2: me now, she travels with the X.
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  Speaker 3: Even though they're broken up. At first I was hung
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  Speaker 3: up on that.
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  Speaker 2: Then I found out they couldn't get a refund, so
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  Speaker 2: you know that, to grin and bear it. He goes
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  Speaker 2: on to catch his flight in No La. Law enforcement
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  Speaker 2: has looked at all the surveillance of him leaving his
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  Speaker 2: flight and walking just like we saw Caitlin Armstrong every
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  Speaker 2: step of.
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  Speaker 3: The way to his connecting flight. He made it.
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  Speaker 2: He is not a suspect. But why this is the
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  Speaker 2: part I don't get. When you're trying to catch a
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  Speaker 2: flight to get to your destination, why do you leave
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  Speaker 2: the airport and decide to get shopping at a mall?
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  Speaker 2: It's an outdoor mall's famous, So I don't get that part.
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  Speaker 10: Well, Nancy, that's the part that everyone is wondering about,
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  Speaker 10: and it certainly seems like somebody else may have been involved,
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  Speaker 10: because it doesn't make sense. And the only thing I
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  Speaker 10: can think of is that she's being coerced or manipulated.
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  Speaker 10: Somebody has her with some kind of Stockholm syndront trauma
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  Speaker 10: bonding and she can't leave, and they are making her
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  Speaker 10: go to these destinations to have it seen that things
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  Speaker 10: are normal.
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  Speaker 2: Hold on right there, you know much as much as
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  Speaker 2: I'd love to dive down that rabbit hole with you,
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  Speaker 2: let me just get the bus at the weeds and
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  Speaker 2: back in the middle of the road. Because isn't it
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  Speaker 2: true Alexis Terreschuk that while at the grove she takes
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  Speaker 2: pictures off herself and sends them to her aunt, and
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  Speaker 2: there's nobody coersing her.
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  Speaker 1: She looks happy.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, she went to the grove two days in a row,
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  Speaker 5: so she lands on Friday night. She goes to the
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  Speaker 5: grove on Saturday, and the next time we see her again,
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  Speaker 5: she's back at the grove. For this is the Lebron
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  Speaker 5: James event at the Nike store.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, now the story becomes even more bizarre. How do
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  Speaker 3: Tero card.
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  Speaker 2: Readings fit into Hannah's disappearance.
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  Speaker 3: Listen.
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  Speaker 11: On the evening of Saturday, November ninth, Hanna Kobyashi makes
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  Speaker 11: two venmo payments. One payment is me at six twenty
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  Speaker 11: five pm to a woman named Veronica Almandarz. The payment
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  Speaker 11: includes a description of a bow and arrow emoji. Less
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  Speaker 11: than one hour later, at seven nineteen pm, Kobyashi makes
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  Speaker 11: a venmo payment to Jonathan Taylor. In the subject line
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  Speaker 11: of the second venmo payment, is the word reading.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, Alexis ter Aschuk.
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  Speaker 2: Tarot card readings number one, I don't believe in them.
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  Speaker 2: Number two I had one done during the Atlanta Olympics
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  Speaker 2: as a lark. A defense attorney also read tarot cards,
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  Speaker 2: and as a lark, I said, okay, read my cards,
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  Speaker 2: and he said, in nineteen ninety six, you will marry
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  Speaker 2: a man that's already in your life many years from now,
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  Speaker 2: and you will have twins, a boy and a girl.
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  Speaker 3: Really, that was ninety six.
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  Speaker 2: Two thousand and seven, I married David, who I've known
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  Speaker 2: since my senior year of college, and we had two children,
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  Speaker 2: a boy and a girl. Still don't believe in it, okay,
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  Speaker 2: because I can't bring it into evidence in court of law.
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  Speaker 2: I hear Greg remorse high profile along going.
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  Speaker 3: That's right.
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  Speaker 2: But tell me where does she get a tarot card reading?
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  Speaker 5: I mean they're everywhere. There's so the grove is a
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  Speaker 5: shopping district, This is a the malls of the middle.
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  Speaker 5: There are streets north and south, east and west of there.
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  Speaker 5: It's the Melrose district. Tarot card readings all up and
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  Speaker 5: down the street where she could walk to any of them.
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  Speaker 5: This is not this is a busy area. She could
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  Speaker 5: find it anywhere along those streets.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, that's leading me somewhere else to IRV Brandt. Now
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  Speaker 2: I've got her leave. She's left the airport. She's at
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  Speaker 2: the grove, not one day, but two days, still planning
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  Speaker 2: to catch a flight. Now she leaves and wanders down
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  Speaker 2: the side of his street and gets a Tarot card reading.
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  Speaker 2: Now it sounds to me like she's just kicking back,
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  Speaker 2: enjoying herself, like you would at a street festival, going
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  Speaker 2: into the various stalls, maybe eating, taking pictures. Unlike what
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  Speaker 2: Karen Stark just said, I am not buying any sudden
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  Speaker 2: Stockholm syndrome or trauma bonding. She's being gone forty eight
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  Speaker 2: hours and still everything seems to be on track. But
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  Speaker 2: we know she's going to go back to lax to
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  Speaker 2: catch another flight.
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  Speaker 1: So what do you make of this turn of events?
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  Speaker 2: She's walking along a street near the grove and has
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  Speaker 2: a tarot card reading and pays for it with a venmo.
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  Speaker 6: Nancy, I don't find that unusual if you were going
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  Speaker 6: to be in Los Angeles for a couple of days
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  Speaker 6: and you were going to continue on and she went
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  Speaker 6: to a place like the Grove and like you said,
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  Speaker 6: maybe just past the time waiting for a flight, and
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  Speaker 6: she's interested in tarot card readings, and so she stopped
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  Speaker 6: for a reading. I don't find that unusual. I'm sure
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  Speaker 6: investigators on the case or trying to find if there's
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  Speaker 6: video of her, they.
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  Speaker 2: Found the tarot card reader, they found him or brand.
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  Speaker 2: His name is Jonathan Taylor.
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  Speaker 3: But what I find probative.
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  Speaker 2: Is that I've got her sending a Venmo at seven
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  Speaker 2: nineteen and it has reading written on it.
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  Speaker 3: We know who it goes to, we know where she is.
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  Speaker 3: So that's pretty strong.
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  Speaker 2: Evidence she's alive and well two days later at seven nineteen.
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  Speaker 3: But Venmo has been a source of evidence in other cases.
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  Speaker 2: Does anyone remember Deborah Callier, the Georgia mom who leaves
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  Speaker 2: her house with her car, keys, debit card, everything. The
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  Speaker 2: last we know of her is a Venmo.
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  Speaker 4: Deborah Collier leaves her house with her car, keys and
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  Speaker 4: debit card, drives to a dollar store an hour from
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  Speaker 4: her home. Is seen on video in the store and
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  Speaker 4: in the parking lot. She sends a twenty three hundred
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  Speaker 4: dollars VENMO payment to her daughter, Amanda Beard, with the
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  Speaker 4: cryptic message they are not going to let me go.
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  Speaker 4: Love you. There's a key to the house in the
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  Speaker 4: blue flower pot by the door. Beard says she wasn't
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  Speaker 4: expecting money and calls Collier right away, but gets no answer.
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: Debra Collier has vanished, her daughter and husband reporter missing,
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: and police begin the investigation focused on the Venmo payment.
• 19:29
  Speaker 9: Sunday, November tenth, Hannah Kobayashi is back at the Grove
• 19:33
  Speaker 9: in downtown Los Angeles in a scene on a video
• 19:35
  Speaker 9: posted to YouTube but the Lebron James trial experience at
• 19:38
  Speaker 9: the Nike Store. A photo of the event is posted
• 19:41
  Speaker 9: on kobe Yashi's Instagram. Hannah had been texting with family members,
• 19:45
  Speaker 9: telling them she couldn't wait to get to New York
• 19:48
  Speaker 9: and it was a nightmare trying to get another flight
• 19:50
  Speaker 9: back to.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Gregory Morse joining US partner King Ann Morse palm beat Gregory.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: The significance of this, I mean, we know she went
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: to the Nike store and this video is for the
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: Lebron James trial experience, and that is at the Nike store.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: But her posting of this video on YouTube gives me
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: another hard time in my timeline scenario. And she has
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: provided all that herself from the Venmo to the posting,
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: so we have her alive and well Sunday, November tenth.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't see anything odd about it. I
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: don't think anyone's controlling her. I don't think anyone has
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: abducted her and is making her go to the Lebron
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: James trial experience. I think we can count on that
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: as being a significant factor in our timeline.
• 20:46
  Speaker 7: I think it's significant, but I think it also can
• 20:50
  Speaker 7: be seen as a problematic that she may have been
• 20:54
  Speaker 7: being controlled.
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: You know, there's connections of her.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: She being controlled because she said the Lebron James experience.
• 21:03
  Speaker 7: Well, when you look at the picture, she does not
• 21:06
  Speaker 7: look happy. She does not look like she wants to
• 21:09
  Speaker 7: be there, in the sense that she's not smiling, hands raised,
• 21:13
  Speaker 7: or showing excitement for this. It's an odd event to
• 21:17
  Speaker 7: go to if you had a connecting flight to New.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: York, Greg Morse, So your theory, let's just follow this
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: through to its logical conclusion, to the dead end.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: I'm about to explain, Greg Morris, you're saying.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: This someone is controlling her. They've abducted her, and they've
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: taken her to the Lebron James experience. Okay, so they
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: kidnap her, not to rape her, not to get money
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: from her, not to kill her out of some thrill
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: kill desire, but they kidnap her to force her to
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: go to the Lebron James experience experience.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: Is that what you're saying.
• 21:52
  Speaker 7: That's exactly what I'm saying, potentially, And it seems like
• 21:56
  Speaker 7: that could have occurred to make her seem like.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: She's doing off going to be happy with you because
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: that doesn't make any sense.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: Well, I think there's a chance for you to retract it.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: She was kidnapped to force her to go to the
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Lebron James Experiment.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Is that you're going to stick with that.
• 22:13
  Speaker 7: I'm going to stick with that because from everything else,
• 22:15
  Speaker 7: it seems like she's not intentionally doing that. Someone is
• 22:18
  Speaker 7: trying to create the impression that this girl is fine.
• 22:22
  Speaker 7: And I go back to the ex boyfriend who was
• 22:26
  Speaker 7: with her on a connecting flight but didn't go with
• 22:29
  Speaker 7: her to the connecting flight. That is very bizarre.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Let let's just rule him out to make Greg Moos happy.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: Alexis Tereschuk. At the time that this photo was.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Taken in front of the Lebron James trial, experiment.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: The boyfriend has. This is two days later. The boyfriend
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: is already where he was going.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: He's at his destination. She's alive, and he's in another jurisdiction.
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: He went to New York. He made a flight. He
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: actually has spoken with the police. They have They said
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: that he has been very helpful and they do not
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: believe that he is involved in this at all. He
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: has no knowledge of what is going on.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Where is Hanna Kobyaishi? Friends, family, police are stumped? Family desperate. Then,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: after she's spotted at the grove and the Lebron James experiment,
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: an odd twist, the text that she is sending to
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: friends and family suddenly don't sound like her at all.
• 23:31
  Speaker 11: Listen, Hanna Kobyashi's family is concerned about odd text messages
• 23:35
  Speaker 11: they are getting from Hannah because the messages don't sound
• 23:37
  Speaker 11: like her. The messages use terms like hun and babe
• 23:41
  Speaker 11: and saying someone is trying to steal her identity and
• 23:44
  Speaker 11: all of her funds. The messages also don't include any emojis,
• 23:48
  Speaker 11: something everyone knows to expect from a text message coming
• 23:51
  Speaker 11: from Hannah Kobyashi.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: You know, Greg.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Moore's high profile lawyers tried a lot of cases there
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: is the reality of routine evidence. And again by that,
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: I don't mean stereotypical or run of the meal evidence.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: I mean evidence of someone's routine. If I were to
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: send you a two paragraph text, you would know I'm
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: dead and somebody's got my phone. My text are two sentences, max,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: with a lot of abbreviations. This woman always included an emoji.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Always no emojis in this She started using pet names
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: like babe and Hun spelled hun as in Attila, the
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: hun as opposed to honey. They all noticed that was
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: totally unlike her, and I submit, and would submit even
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: in a court of law, that that is where my
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: true timeline begins.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: With these odd texts.
• 25:00
  Speaker 7: Well, I don't think the timeline begins there, but I
• 25:03
  Speaker 7: do agree with you that those texts seem out of character.
• 25:07
  Speaker 7: According to her family, and we all know when something's wrong.
• 25:12
  Speaker 7: We've had a loved one or a friend send us
• 25:14
  Speaker 7: a text, Hey are you mad?
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: This text off?
• 25:17
  Speaker 7: We habits very quickly, and Hannah's family knew her habits.
• 25:22
  Speaker 7: And it does seem like someone sent those texts to
• 25:25
  Speaker 7: try to make it seem like she's she is alive
• 25:29
  Speaker 7: and somewhere, even though they're negative texts that talk about
• 25:33
  Speaker 7: her disappearing, and that could all be a ruse to
• 25:36
  Speaker 7: let her family think something that's not true, and she's
• 25:39
  Speaker 7: somewhere else. So I think you're right. The texts are important,
• 25:43
  Speaker 7: but the timeline starts when she leaves Hawaii and then
• 25:47
  Speaker 7: goes from there, and these texts are one piece that
• 25:49
  Speaker 7: help describe this odd situation, and that's something is amiss
• 25:53
  Speaker 7: here with this with Hannah. I, of course referring to
• 25:58
  Speaker 7: the criminal timeline when I believe that something went awry
• 26:03
  Speaker 7: with Hannah.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: This has happened before, and we can prove that it's
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: evidence of wrongdoing.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: Remember Gabby Patito.
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: On August twenty seventh, twenty twenty one, it's believed that
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: Brian Laundry sent a text to Nicole Schmidt in which
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: he refers to Gabby Patito's grandfather stand by name. Gabby
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: Patito never called her grandfather by this name. Calling your
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: grandfather by their first name and not a common nickname
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: like Papa or grandpa or something like that was very
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: very unorthodox, and Nicole Schmidt had very very strong feelings
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: connected to that text message that something wasn't right that
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: something was drastically wrong.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, these texts get really bizarre. Let's see that
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: visual of the text. Deep hackers wiped my identity, stole
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: all of my funds. Have had me on a mind
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: f since Friday. I got tricked into giving away all
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: my funds for someone.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: Listen.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: I thought I loved that she's no longer replying to
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: messages from family and friends. No new messages are coming
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: to their phones. At that point, family reports her missing
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: to Alexis Tereschuk. Family and friends thought everything was fine
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: up until this point. At this point, they reach out
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: to police, they file a missing person's report, and they
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: begin to blanket social media.
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: Describe they put out that the local police put out
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: a message on their social media. They put say that
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: she is a missing woman here in Los Angeles. It
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: was on the local news and it has been all
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: over TikTok, Instagram. I don't know about Twitter, but it's everywhere.
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: And here's the thing. She's beautiful, young, she has lots
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: of friends. They are all worried about her now, and
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: her family has been very proactive. They've reached out to
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: multiple news stations to get the message out there that
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: she is missing.
• 27:58
  Speaker 9: Family and friends of hannakobe Ykashi arrived in Los Angeles
• 28:01
  Speaker 9: to begin searching, reaching out to police and filing a
• 28:04
  Speaker 9: missing person report. They also cover social media and the
• 28:07
  Speaker 9: news media asking for help. It is determined that Hannah's
• 28:11
  Speaker 9: phone last pinged around four pm Monday, November eleventh, that
• 28:14
  Speaker 9: lax with no new activity, the phone has not been found.
• 28:18
  Speaker 9: The family obtained surveillance footage showing Hanna Kobyashi around the
• 28:21
  Speaker 9: Metro train station near Crypto dot Com Arena. In that video,
• 28:26
  Speaker 9: she appears to be accompanied by someone. The family posts
• 28:29
  Speaker 9: on social media that the video shows Hannah is not
• 28:31
  Speaker 9: alone and quote does not appear to be in good condition.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: Okay, A lot to figure out from that news report.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: To Scott Iiker, a founding member of the FBI Cellular
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Analysis Team, former FBI twenty two years Scott.
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: Let's talk about the ping.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: The ping places her phone, which I believe is with
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: her back at LAX, but no new activity from the phone.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: We just get a ping.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: Then you've got footage showing her at the Metro train
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: station at the Crypto dot Com arena.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: What is that telling you?
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure if the surveillance video at Crypto Arena
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: is before or after the Lax ping Alexi Terestchuk which
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: one is first? That's important?
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: The crypto dot com spotting is after she was at LAX.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: And how far is Crypto Arena from Lax.
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: About ten miles not very.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: Far, Okay, So what about it, Scott? Her phone is
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: pinged at the airport, then ten miles away she's at
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: a train station at Crypto Arena.
• 29:45
  Speaker 8: Well, we know she went back to the airport to
• 29:47
  Speaker 8: try to get another flight to New York, so that
• 29:50
  Speaker 8: makes sense. And I think there was a text that
• 29:54
  Speaker 8: she was charged trying to charge her phone at one
• 29:56
  Speaker 8: of the places over by the growth.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: What is lap do you have to say? Listen?
• 30:00
  Speaker 12: On Friday, November eighth, twenty three year old Hanna Kobayashi
• 30:04
  Speaker 12: missed her connecting flight from Lax to New York, which
• 30:07
  Speaker 12: the investigation determined was intentional. Over the next few days,
• 30:11
  Speaker 12: she maintained contact with her family and was active on Instagram. However,
• 30:15
  Speaker 12: the family last heard from Hannah on November eleventh, after
• 30:18
  Speaker 12: receiving concerning text messages and losing further contact. Her family
• 30:23
  Speaker 12: traveled to la on November thirteenth, then filed a missing
• 30:26
  Speaker 12: person report.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: Alexis terrestik is my understanding the family. Hannah's family vehemently
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: disagrees with the LAPD, saying her missing her Connector flight
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: to NYC was intentional. They think she just missed the
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: flight and then went it to travel Hell.
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: That's exactly right. They disagree with this. They say that
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: she missed her flight, she was trying to get back,
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: She was trying to get on another flight she went
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: back to LAX, that she was trying to continue on
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: because she had told them I'm going to go see
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: my aunt who still go to New York, and so
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: they believe her that that's what she says. They do
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: not believe that this was an intentional missing of the
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: flight and then hanging out from Los Angeles for no reason.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: Then an extremely bizarre twist.
• 31:09
  Speaker 11: After eleven days of searching for his daughter, Ryan Kobyashi
• 31:12
  Speaker 11: is found dead around four am near a parking structure
• 31:15
  Speaker 11: at LAX. The Los Angeles Medical Examiner says the cause
• 31:18
  Speaker 11: of death is multiple blunt force trauma injuries. Police confirmed
• 31:23
  Speaker 11: the fifty eight year old died after jumping off the
• 31:26
  Speaker 11: seventh floor of the parking structure. The family issues a
• 31:29
  Speaker 11: statement expressing grief and asking for the public to focus
• 31:32
  Speaker 11: on the search for Hanna kobyashi.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: Alexis Tereschuk.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: This is a crazy, a bizarre twist in the disappearance
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: of the Hawaiian beauty Hannah Kobyashki.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: So let me understand. The father, who.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: Has previously been stranged from Hannah, flies all the way
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: to lax and starts looking for her and then suddenly
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: kills himself.
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: He does. He flew to Los Angeles. He went to
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: the Crypto dot Com Center, it's the stadium used to
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: be the Stable Center in Los Angeles downtown, got together
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: with a lot of people, was on the press and
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: the news, trying to bring awareness for his daughter. He
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: searched for her. He searched all downtown, the downtown Los
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: Angeles area. This is one of the areas known as
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: skid Row. He was down there looking for her, searching,
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: literally feet on the ground, looking for his daughter in
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: all these really tough parts of town. And he was searching.
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: He was talking to anybody who had maybe seen her
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: because this was where she had been spotted, and trying
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: to find her and was unable to do so. Had
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: never had contact with her, and he spoke to the
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: media and he said, I have so much regret. I
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: was very much estranged with her, but all I want
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: to do now is helped to find her, to find
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: my little daughter. And he then and went back to
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: lax where it was the last time or she was
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: seen on video about twelve days before this. And then
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: he went on top of a parking structure, seventh floor,
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: and he jumped off and his body was found at
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: four o'clock in the morning.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: So straight out to IRV Brandt joining us form a
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: US Marshal Service.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: IRV, how do I know he jumped and wasn't pushed.
• 33:24
  Speaker 6: Well, that's a good question, Nancy. It would appear that
• 33:28
  Speaker 6: the authorities, the FBI and the LAPD in the coroner's office,
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: believe it's a suicide, and I'm assuming that they have
• 33:36
  Speaker 6: something substantial to back that up. I would imagine it
• 33:42
  Speaker 6: would probably be something like maybe video from the parking
• 33:47
  Speaker 6: garage's most secure parking garages do have video cameras, and
• 33:53
  Speaker 6: if he was alone, there's pictures of him stepping up
• 33:56
  Speaker 6: on the wall, you know, with no one else around. Yeah,
• 34:00
  Speaker 6: you will push.
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: Let me let me follow up on that. Alexis Tarasca.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: The parking deck where the dad reportedly jumped to his death,
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: was that connected to the airport or near the airport?
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: Yes, it was very near, Lax and I believe that they're.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Okay, we are there converdence surveillance. Okay, Alexis, I hope
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: you're sitting down. I've got another another curve ball to
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: throw at you at ninety mph. What is the Twin
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Flames Cult and what, if anything does it have to
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: do with Hannah.
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: So the Twin Flames Cult is an organization that was
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: started by this couple and they are they were in
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: Hawaii and they have started this organization where they tell
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: people that they have a twin flame, and it's based
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: on an old book from eighteen hundreds that so you
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: match with somebody who are a twin and you both
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: have intense feelings for each other. But they encourage people
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: to not only and they the founders of this cult.
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: They are the ones that select who the twin flame
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: is for you. So you say you joined this, and
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: they say, we knew who this person is, but it
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: can possibly be not even somebody within the organization. So
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: they say, this is your twin flame. You must go
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: after them. You must make them love you and make
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: them realize that this So, Hannah had followed quite a
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: few people that were involved in this cult on her
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: Instagram page and people this has been very suspicious that
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: perhaps that this had a connection because they are their
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: headquarters for their organization are listed in Carlsbad, California, which
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: is about ninety minutes south of Los Angeles. It's just
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: north of San Diego, and this is where this is located.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: There are other texts that are alarming and Karen start
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: joining us renowned psychologist. They're very disturbing to me because
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: I don't think she wrote them.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: They say things like quote.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: Matrix underworld girl and that she would never have written
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: matrix underworld girl. This is way beyond me the friend rights.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: Did you get Catfish? I said, dude, you were talking
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: to you on the internet. She says, no, we met.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: I can't explain all of it. Just be open with this, please.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: This is so beyond anything that Hannah Kobyashi would ever
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: have written. That would be like me telling you my
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: mind had been hijacked and I was going through some
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: matrix shiit Okay, you would know I did not send that,
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: and that's what her family and friends are getting.
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: This woman is gone. She's not sending these texts.
• 36:48
  Speaker 10: Well, you know, Nanty, if you sent that to me,
• 36:50
  Speaker 10: I would think to myself, either it's not you or
• 36:54
  Speaker 10: something terrible has happened to you and your personality is changing.
• 36:58
  Speaker 10: And I think both of those possibility, because something awful
• 37:02
  Speaker 10: is going on with Anna, And in fact, it very
• 37:06
  Speaker 10: well could be that she broke up with the boyfriend
• 37:09
  Speaker 10: who knows because there was someone else that she fell
• 37:12
  Speaker 10: in love with and it was somebody that she met there,
• 37:15
  Speaker 10: or she coincidentally met someone there who somehow manipulated her
• 37:20
  Speaker 10: and did things to her that she doesn't understand, and
• 37:23
  Speaker 10: she's losing her sense of self. And that is a
• 37:26
  Speaker 10: strong possibility to me that something is going on that
• 37:31
  Speaker 10: we don't understand, but she doesn't understand either. Someone is
• 37:36
  Speaker 10: manipulating her, coercing her and making her do things that
• 37:40
  Speaker 10: she would not normally do, and she's confused, anxious, desperate.
• 37:47
  Speaker 12: On November fifteenth, our Missing Persons Unit assumed investigative responsibility.
• 37:52
  Speaker 12: Detectives have been diligently reviewing video surveillance and employing various
• 37:55
  Speaker 12: investigative techniques to locate Hannah while her family has continued
• 38:00
  Speaker 12: their personal search efforts. Tragically, on November twenty fourth, during
• 38:03
  Speaker 12: the search for his daughter, Hannah's father, Ryan Kobayashi, was
• 38:07
  Speaker 12: found deceased. Preliminary findings indicate his death was by suicide.
• 38:12
  Speaker 12: Our hearts go out to the Kobayashi family during this
• 38:15
  Speaker 12: unimaginable time of grief. We remain fully committed to locating
• 38:19
  Speaker 12: Hannah and supporting the family as they navigate their way
• 38:22
  Speaker 12: through this tragedy.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: This case has had so many twists and turns it's
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: hard to make sense and determine what's fact and what's fiction.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: Amongst the Twin Flames cult claims now conspiracy theories about
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: African hackers, Greg remorse, isn't it true you discover that
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Twin Flames cult is actually headquartered or somehow incorporated in Karlsbath.
• 38:53
  Speaker 7: That's correct. Ten Flames, when they filled out their nonprofit
• 38:59
  Speaker 7: forms for the government, was listed in addressing Carlsbad, California,
• 39:04
  Speaker 7: which is in the San Diego area. And you know
• 39:09
  Speaker 7: her conduct, her texts, her leaving the airport going to
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  Speaker 7: do different things is in line with people.
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  Speaker 10: Who you know.
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  Speaker 7: Get whether the word is duped, whether it get sucked
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  Speaker 7: in to a cult and they act very bizarre, you know,
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  Speaker 7: it's you know, Jim Jones was a real person. Jim
• 39:29
  Speaker 7: Jones caused people to do horrible things to themselves because
• 39:32
  Speaker 7: they were desperate and they thought that was an answer.
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  Speaker 7: And this could very much be what this young lady
• 39:37
  Speaker 7: is dealing with right now, especially with a nonprofit about
• 39:42
  Speaker 7: finding your soulmate and we'll pick it for you. I
• 39:46
  Speaker 7: mean this, this screams of you know, cult trying to
• 39:50
  Speaker 7: control in the van of koresh or Jim Jones, and
• 39:54
  Speaker 7: it's and she could be very well down that rabbit hole.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: Alexis Terraschuk does she have any non connection to twin Flames?
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  Speaker 5: She follows people on her Instagram account that are involved
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: with twin Flames, but right now there's no specific connection
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: that she's involved in, but she follows the moment.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: What about the theory that African hackers are involved in
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: her disappearance. It's one thing to steal your money's another
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: thing to make you go completely missing in the airport.
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: This is what people are worried about, that somebody has
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: hacked into her account. She's saying, all of my money
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: has been stolen, my identity has been changed. I can't
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: get anywhere. She seems like she's very desperately upset about
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: everything that's happening. She hasn't sent screenshots of, say, you know,
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: her bank account showing that she has no money. But
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: she also isn't anywhere. She's not going anywhere and getting
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: any help doing anything, even calling her parents and saying
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: her mom now saying I am here in Los Angeles,
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: please come and get me.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: So the characterization of her going missing at LAX is
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: not entirely true. I think before his death, the father
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: was on the right track. We're not going to find
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: her in some closet at LAX. She's long been gone
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: from LAX the La Airport. If you know or think
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: you know anything about the disappearance of Hannah Kobayashi, please
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: dial toll free eight hundred two two two eight four
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  Speaker 2: seven seven repeat eight hundred two two two eight.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: Four seven seven. Where is Hannah Kobayashi.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: Nancy Gray signing off, goodbye friend,