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X-Space Q & A: What do Dr. Warren Farrell and Andrew Tate have in common? · Honey Badger Radio

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Speaker 2: But okay, so let's.
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Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and talk about what it is that
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Speaker 1: we're gonna be that I'm gonna be looking at.
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Speaker 2: So you know, we talk a lot about the issues
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Speaker 2: faced by men and boys on the channels. It's the
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Speaker 2: focus of our channel.
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Speaker 1: And one of the things that I have also been
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Speaker 1: warning about is that there will be potential consequences for
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Speaker 1: society at large if we continue to ignore this problem.
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Speaker 1: And I think that everyone, or at least a lot
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Speaker 1: of people have done a very have been working really
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Speaker 1: hard to avoid discussing the issues bacing men and boys,
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Speaker 1: and women's part to play in those issues, as well
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Speaker 1: as like maybe larger systemic reasons for it, like you know,
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Speaker 1: the way that our education system is run, the way
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Speaker 1: that our governments are run, the way that our media works,
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Speaker 1: you know, all these other things are contributing to this problem.
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Speaker 1: And it doesn't appear to show many signs of slowing down.
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Speaker 2: But I have.
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Speaker 1: Noticed that two people have recently had some things to
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Speaker 1: say that one of them was directly pointing to this
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Speaker 1: another one was sort of talking around it. But it's
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Speaker 1: interesting that they're both kind of like arriving at the
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Speaker 1: same place. And these two people are Andrew Tait and
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Speaker 1: doctor Warren Ferrell. And it's interesting because those two guys could.
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Speaker 2: Not be more different, you know, in terms of like
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Speaker 2: just what they stand for, who they are and what
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Speaker 2: they believe.
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Speaker 1: They're very disparate figures. Now I'm not saying that they're
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Speaker 1: agreeing on anything per se, but they do appear to
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Speaker 1: converge at this point, which is, what what kind of
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Speaker 1: society do we have when we disenfranchise men and boys
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Speaker 1: and discriminate against them openly, or we create conditions for
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Speaker 1: them that makes it very difficult for them to essentially
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Speaker 1: live in a world like this and expect them to
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Speaker 1: actually not just like live and not complain, but also contribute.
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Speaker 2: And like, you know, help build it even more.
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Speaker 1: And so I thought we could look at both of
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Speaker 1: these clips that I have here and also look at
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Speaker 1: a couple of other things.
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Speaker 2: I have some.
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Speaker 1: Notes here on my phone, and I just want to
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Speaker 1: like point this out, so like this is about fatherlessness
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Speaker 1: to an extent, but also disenfranchisement of men in general.
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Speaker 2: So we have let me see here, Boys growing up
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Speaker 2: without a father.
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Speaker 1: Will have a higher risk of emotional struggles like depression
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Speaker 1: or little self esteem. They will also struggle with discipline,
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Speaker 1: lea to behavioral issues poor academic performance. They might have
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Speaker 1: trouble forming healthy relationships or feel pressure to act a
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Speaker 1: certain way to performative masculinity in order to compensate because
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Speaker 1: they don't have a model of masculinity to operate off of,
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Speaker 1: or they are looking to their peers for models, which
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Speaker 1: are often also other men who don't have fathers. Economically,
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Speaker 1: they're more likely to end up in lower paying jobs,
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Speaker 1: and this is another issue because men who don't do
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Speaker 1: as well financially are guess what, less likely to attract
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Speaker 1: a mate because the women want men with more money
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Speaker 1: no matter how old they are. By the way, which
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Speaker 1: we're going to get into a little bit later, they're
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Speaker 1: also going to face legal troubles or have lower paying
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Speaker 1: jobs because of a lack of mentorship. So these are
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Speaker 1: just some of the things. And of course we know
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Speaker 1: that Warren Ferrell has written a book on this called
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Speaker 1: The Boy Crisis where he goes into that.
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Speaker 2: But let's take a look at our clips.
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Speaker 1: So I will start with Andrew Tait because it's probably
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Speaker 1: a you know, gonna be a little bit more emotionally charged.
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Speaker 1: But this is interesting, so Tate for the for context.
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Speaker 1: He was on the PbD podcast, which is run by
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Speaker 1: a businessman named Patrick Bett David. He's Iranian and he's
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Speaker 1: been hosting a podcast for a while he's a very
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Speaker 1: very wealthy guy.
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Speaker 2: So we're talking.
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Speaker 1: We're looking at, you know, guys that are like pretty
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Speaker 1: elite in terms of well, I would say pretty elite.
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Speaker 1: Maybe not the elites, because I think those guys are
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Speaker 1: another level, but but very well off guys that you know,
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Speaker 1: have good businesses, make good money, and they talk a
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Speaker 1: lot about money and like stocks and finance. But they've
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Speaker 1: lately been getting into these more social and cultural discussions
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Speaker 1: and they brought Andrew Tate on full, full context here.
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Speaker 1: I believe the reason why they were talking to him
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Speaker 1: was because Tate was recently I don't know if it
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Speaker 1: was at a party or if he was hosting a party,
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Speaker 1: probably hosting a party, and there were a bunch of
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Speaker 1: young zoomer influencers that were there and they were listening
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Speaker 1: to what they the clips that were really viral was
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Speaker 1: them listening to that Kanye West.
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Speaker 2: Song, you know, the one Won't.
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Speaker 1: I won't say the lyrics here, but the one that
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Speaker 1: the song that he put out that was very triggering
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Speaker 1: for people, and he did it because he was angry
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Speaker 1: about losing access to his kids, which is also part
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Speaker 1: of this whole thing, because that's basically like what a
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Speaker 1: lot of this is revolving around the same issues. They're
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Speaker 1: just sort of like being dealt with in different ways.
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Speaker 1: But anyway, there were clips of them listening to the
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Speaker 1: music and having a good time, and I guess some
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Speaker 1: of these guys got banned from like all the clubs
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Speaker 1: in Florida or something. I'm not really sure what because
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Speaker 1: I don't follow those guys very closely. Welcome to the chat,
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Speaker 1: other listener, but I think they brought Tit on to
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Speaker 1: like kind of like shake him down for what like
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Speaker 1: why this happened, and what it did is it put
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Speaker 1: it put Tate in a position where he had an
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Speaker 1: opportunity to discuss why this stuff is going on, Like
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Speaker 1: why are these criticisms levy levied against, you know, certain
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Speaker 1: groups of people from a certain ethnic group or certain
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Speaker 1: religion or whatever.
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Speaker 2: And uh, well, let's let's give a listen.
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if I'm in the right place, but
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Speaker 1: they are talking about the fact that young men in
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Speaker 1: particular are not able, or at least they are there.
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Speaker 1: They have every obstacle in their way of trying to
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Speaker 1: like achieve, So let's let's give a listen, and quantum
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Speaker 1: cat I hope you can hear this, because I do.
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Speaker 1: I should have the audio set up to whether people
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Speaker 1: in the X space can hear this too, although I'm
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Speaker 1: not seeing any like, you know, visual feedback from the sound,
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Speaker 1: so I'm not sure if it's working. But all right,
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Speaker 1: let's get this a listen.
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Speaker 3: Even though their policies are bullshit, you wonder why they win,
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Speaker 3: even though they put the taxes up because young people
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Speaker 3: are completely disenfranchised with this system.
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Speaker 1: So okay, but for the record, he's saying, he says
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Speaker 1: young people, but he actually begins this by specifically talking
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Speaker 1: about young men.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so because.
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Speaker 3: They are poor. On top of being poor, they're watching
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Speaker 3: social media with people who are rich. Do you understand
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Speaker 3: the envy? This is creative? Do you understand that a
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Speaker 3: young man can't even talk to a girl because he's
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Speaker 3: not a millionaire? Nineteen year old men are saying to me,
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Speaker 3: girls don't talk to me because I have no money.
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Speaker 3: So you're not supposed to have money.
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Speaker 2: You're nineteen.
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Speaker 3: You're supposed to just be charming and in good shape
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Speaker 3: and have fun. Girls don't want that. Girls want money.
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Speaker 3: The world is completely broken in the West now, it's
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Speaker 3: completely broken. So we've entered this really dangerous stage where
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Speaker 3: if we don't blame Israel, if they find something else
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Speaker 3: to blame, it doesn't matter. Things are gonna burn. If
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Speaker 3: you have a whole bunch of young men who are
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Speaker 3: never gonna get a family, never gonna have any money,
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Speaker 3: never gonna own a house. They're completely disenfranchised with the
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Speaker 3: system they live within. If you read a history book,
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Speaker 3: that ends one way sooner or later, and we need
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Speaker 3: to bring these people into the system. If we want
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Speaker 3: to be capitalistic, and all of us are capitalists, we
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Speaker 3: need to at least offer the young people a chance
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Speaker 3: to play the game. We can't say capitalism's fantastic, communism's terrible,
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Speaker 3: Capitalism's the best, but you can't play. Here's my Bughatti
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Speaker 3: no one.
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Speaker 1: So okay, So he basically and another thing he says
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Speaker 1: that I don't know if it's in this clip because
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Speaker 1: I was trying to find it, but I saw this
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Speaker 1: viral clip where he basically said that if you want
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Speaker 1: to and this is what I've been saying too, and
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Speaker 1: Mike has been saying this as well. Hello quantum kat,
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Speaker 1: I don't know. Can you not hear me or you're
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Speaker 1: not able to hear the video well, the forty five
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Speaker 1: minute part that was just about the song. Oh, this
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Speaker 1: wasn't much as much of an interview as a struggle session. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I know, I know. This isn't died muted in the
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Speaker 1: X space. How I don't understand that. I don't understand it.
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Speaker 1: All right, Well, I'll reiterate. So what he's saying is
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Speaker 1: for people who are in the X space, what he's
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Speaker 1: saying is is I have to figure out a way
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Speaker 1: to share video in here unless they just can't do it,
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Speaker 1: Like I guess that might just be a thing you
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Speaker 1: can't do it in X.
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Speaker 2: He's saying that young men are being they're basically being
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Speaker 2: kept out of an opportunity to build wealth and to
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Speaker 2: build business and to essentially like they can't they can't
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Speaker 2: afford a house, they can't get a decent job, they're
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Speaker 2: not getting the education they need, even if they're ambitious.
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Speaker 2: They followed all the rules.
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Speaker 1: And that's the thing too, like most of them, even me,
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Speaker 1: like gen X, is in a similar situation. We as men,
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Speaker 1: we were born into the world and we were told
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Speaker 1: that if you go to school and you get a
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Speaker 1: decent education, and you find a good job, you know,
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Speaker 1: a decent job, even, get a high school education, get
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Speaker 1: a job, you can find a young lady, you can
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Speaker 1: get married, you can start a family, buy a house,
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Speaker 1: the whole thing. And all these men, most of these
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Speaker 1: men probably went in saying, Okay, I'm gonna follow the rules,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do all those things, and then none of
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Speaker 1: it is panning out for like a lot of these guys,
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Speaker 1: and the younger guys have it even harder. You know,
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Speaker 1: like as you get older, you start to like figure
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Speaker 1: out the system is not really working in your favor
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Speaker 1: and you have to like maneuver and figure out alternative methods.
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Speaker 1: But like a lot of these guys, they went in
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Speaker 1: earnestly trying to follow the rules, and they figured this
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Speaker 1: was gonna work, right, the system is set up this way,
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Speaker 1: but it's not working out that way. They're not and
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Speaker 1: even when they do have what they need, like they
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Speaker 1: do have a decent job, guess what, the women don't
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Speaker 1: want them.
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Speaker 2: And why is that?
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Speaker 1: Well, because the women are getting favored in education, they're
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Speaker 1: getting favored and hiring, they're making more money. And so
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Speaker 1: because they're making more money and they're doing jobs, a
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Speaker 1: lot of them are just made up, like hr jobs
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Speaker 1: or like you know, they host meetings. You know though
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Speaker 1: you've seen those those jobs where the women go to
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Speaker 1: coffee breaks every five minutes and they think that's what
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Speaker 1: life is like, Well, that's what work is. And if
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Speaker 1: I can do it, it makes six figures. Why can't
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Speaker 1: I find a.
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Speaker 2: Man that does that? And of course they don't see.
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Speaker 1: Any men out there, so their their perspective on reality
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Speaker 1: is completely distorted and they can't find a decent man.
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Speaker 2: And this is important.
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Speaker 1: I know that this isn't really like you know, people
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Speaker 1: would say that men's issues aren't really about like say
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Speaker 1: natalism or marriage, but like, if you don't it's a
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Speaker 1: it's a root thing. If we don't address there's just
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Speaker 1: going to be chaos and destruction, like you not like
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Speaker 1: like you know, laws around say like false allegations or
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Speaker 1: family courts or divorce or child custody, like all those
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Speaker 1: things don't matter if people are not even talking to
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Speaker 1: each other, if men and women are not even like
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Speaker 1: anywhere near the same page, all that other stuff is irrelevant.
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Speaker 1: So I, in my opinion, we have to like be
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Speaker 1: able to talk about this at this level, right, So
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Speaker 1: what these men are going to do and This is like, again,
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Speaker 1: not a condemnation of men, but some of them are.
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Speaker 2: Going to create problems for society because they're going to
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Speaker 2: see that society does not serve their interests. They're going
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Speaker 2: to retaliate. They're going up. Yes, they're going to look
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Speaker 2: for someone to blame.
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Speaker 1: And one thing that Tate said that I that I've
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Speaker 1: been saying, and I think Mike has said this too,
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Speaker 1: is that these other issues that people get swept up in,
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Speaker 1: like they talk about, you know, Israel, they talk about
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Speaker 1: the I don't know, like the mass migration, or they're
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Speaker 1: talking about capitalism, or they're talking about like all these
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Speaker 1: other things you know, like Islam whatever it is, right
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Speaker 1: poor an addiction, None of those things matter if if
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Speaker 1: men are in like stable marriages with women like that,
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Speaker 1: like all that, like even women being a problem goes
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Speaker 1: away because women tend to side with men if they're
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Speaker 1: in you know, a committed relationship with them. But the
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Speaker 1: problem is is that that's completely like you know, discombobulated
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Speaker 1: right now, and so there is no there is no
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Speaker 1: place for men to go and and women are not
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Speaker 1: like they're hostile towards them right now. So like this
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Speaker 1: is a problem that's being created by the system that
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Speaker 1: men were trying to like, you know, participate in in
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Speaker 1: earnest and now they're very cynical. I don't think it's
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Speaker 1: envy that much, because I know that Tate said that.
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Speaker 2: I don't think that's really the problem.
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Speaker 1: I think that most men would be happy to have,
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Speaker 1: like they don't need, like the mansion and the bugattis
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Speaker 1: and all that.
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Speaker 2: I think they'd be happy to have, like, you know.
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Speaker 1: A home where they can raise a family, Like they
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Speaker 1: want to just like slide neatly into the middle class
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Speaker 1: and just live that way. But if you take that
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Speaker 1: away from them and you make them feel like they
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Speaker 1: are not allowed to have it or they don't deserve it,
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Speaker 1: and you call them privileged and all these other things,
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Speaker 1: you make it, you make it very difficult for them
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Speaker 1: to go up in the world just enough to like
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Speaker 1: get by on their own. You know, you're going to
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Speaker 1: create a situation where they're gonna want to burn the
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Speaker 1: system down and they're definitely going to point fingers. And
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Speaker 1: you know, at the end of the day, you do
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Speaker 1: make you are responsible for your life choices. But we
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Speaker 1: have to understand that we're not helping them and I
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Speaker 1: think that this is what he identifies. So let's see
16:32
Speaker 1: to the chicken says, how to make money, tell people
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Speaker 1: to follow the path, then put tollbooths on it.
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Speaker 4: Uh.
16:39
Speaker 2: Daniel four Gak says, Yeah, no, don't think we live
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Speaker 2: in a capitalist system, too much collusion of government and
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Speaker 2: companies to control it all.
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, no, I get that. No, And I don't
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Speaker 1: even look. Frankly, I don't even like the word capitalism.
16:52
Speaker 1: I think it's like a buzzword used by Kamis to
16:56
Speaker 1: criticize property rights. Richard Bierre said, watch the video earlier
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Speaker 1: where James O'Keeffe Honeypot talked to an FBI agent who
17:04
Speaker 1: was saying that the Somali welfare fraud is likely to
17:07
Speaker 1: go unpunished.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, you're changing the subject, Richard, Please don't do that. Uh.
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Speaker 1: Daniel Forgac says, even if men do get envious, it
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Speaker 1: usually motivates them to try to achieve. Yes, that that's
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But like if the system is rigged
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Speaker 1: against them, which in many ways it is, it's like,
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Speaker 1: why bother? This is what I'm saying, Like, why so
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Speaker 1: what men are doing? Mostly they're just checking out, They're
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Speaker 1: just basically like doing their own thing.
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Speaker 2: They're because like a man can live I'm.
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Speaker 1: Very little, so he can do like a you know,
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Speaker 1: a minimum wage job or like a lower paying job
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Speaker 1: and just sort of do his own thing and pay
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Speaker 1: for his own shit and just like be like that.
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Speaker 1: And it's probably I mean, I don't think it's good
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Speaker 1: in the long run, but I understand why they're doing it.
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Speaker 2: The last statue says, Hi, hello, last statue. So anyway,
17:56
Speaker 2: he says, somebody's gotta go back and get a shitload
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Speaker 2: of dimes. I don't get that. Uh.
18:00
Speaker 1: David low Boy says, all you need is a comfy chair,
18:02
Speaker 1: air mattress, big screen console, and internet connection.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, yes, of course.
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Speaker 1: So anyway, so he basically says that if men, if
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Speaker 1: you want to end all of this like fear mongering
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Speaker 1: about you know, like anti Semitism for example, which is
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Speaker 1: what they sort of like talk about, mostly, all you
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Speaker 1: gotta do is basically like take care of the men,
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Speaker 1: and they will because the thing the thing is too,
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Speaker 1: is that they're less likely to get.
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Speaker 2: Let's say interfered with at that level as well.
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Speaker 1: You know, they'll go instead of going to a bank,
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Speaker 1: they'll go to a fucking credit union or something, you know,
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Speaker 1: and they'll they'll just build their own business and avoid
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Speaker 1: involving themselves with the jays. But they're what's happening is
18:51
Speaker 1: is that they are looking for you know, uh, I
18:53
Speaker 1: don't want to call it a scapegoat because it's not
18:55
Speaker 1: like it's not untrue, but they're looking for a means
19:00
Speaker 1: something to look at and say, this is why me
19:03
Speaker 1: trying to follow the rules did not work, you see
19:05
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So they're like, I'm trying to follow
19:08
Speaker 1: the rules and I'm and it's not working. I'd recommend
19:12
Speaker 1: PC over consoles since you can still emulate things.
19:15
Speaker 2: You're changing the subject again.
19:18
Speaker 1: Okay, So anyway, Andrew Tate identifies the problem. But the
19:24
Speaker 1: problem is is that men have been left behind. And
19:26
Speaker 1: he doesn't say women, but women's dealing with this is different.
19:32
Speaker 1: Like they're basically just you know, fighting voting in communists
19:36
Speaker 1: like you know, Mom, Danni and stuff. And it's because
19:40
Speaker 1: they're they're their desire for free shit hasn't changed, so
19:44
Speaker 1: they're just gonna get it. They don't get it from
19:46
Speaker 1: the men in their life, They're gonna get it from
19:47
Speaker 1: the state and that's what they're doing.
19:50
Speaker 2: But they don't have to.
19:51
Speaker 1: Worry so much about, like you know, achieving, because they
19:56
Speaker 1: do get enough of that already. Like they get like
19:59
Speaker 1: I said, they they get preferential hiring because of DEI
20:02
Speaker 1: they get you know, they probably get paid less than
20:06
Speaker 1: a man does because they're not as competitive. But women
20:09
Speaker 1: don't need to worry about their money as much because
20:11
Speaker 1: they can just beg for it, or just get it
20:13
Speaker 1: from their parents, or just get it from you know,
20:15
Speaker 1: their their orbiters or whatever, and then they'll be fine,
20:18
Speaker 1: right But men don't have that opportunity. They can't they
20:21
Speaker 1: they don't have orbiters to go to. They don't have
20:23
Speaker 1: symps that they can like you know, ebg from or
20:27
Speaker 1: like have them pay for their apartment or whatever.
20:30
Speaker 2: So you're you're, you're you have a very lopsided outcome
20:35
Speaker 2: right now.
20:36
Speaker 1: Where in the past women would get support from the
20:40
Speaker 1: men in their life, but now men can't provide that
20:43
Speaker 1: because they're, you know, being handicapped by this system and
20:48
Speaker 1: so and women are doing okay, and they they have
20:50
Speaker 1: found other ways to get by. They know how to
20:52
Speaker 1: get that bag while securing their own bag. So I
20:56
Speaker 1: want to blame I blame the subject changers. Yeah, Hughie says,
21:02
Speaker 1: you obviously don't know what DEI is.
21:05
Speaker 2: Okay, why don't you educate me on what DEI is?
21:09
Speaker 2: Tell me what it is.
21:10
Speaker 1: Let's hear it to the Chicken says, it's like cutting
21:12
Speaker 1: down enough trees so you get the one that's been
21:14
Speaker 1: messing with your allergies. Until you find it, you just
21:17
Speaker 1: keep cutting. Yeah. But anyway, so let's look at Warren Ferrell's.
21:24
Speaker 1: And by the way, again, if you're in here and
21:26
Speaker 1: you want to say something, just put a request in
21:28
Speaker 1: I see INQ Sell is in here, so you can
21:31
Speaker 1: put a.
21:31
Speaker 2: Request if you want to speak on anything. So here's
21:34
Speaker 2: Warren Ferrell.
21:35
Speaker 1: He has a different story, but it's sort of like
21:37
Speaker 1: the same thing in its own ways.
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Speaker 5: Letter thebo's tragic letter I've ever received, but it tells
21:43
Speaker 5: so much in a short period that I want to
21:45
Speaker 5: share this with you, doctor Ferrel. My mother was a
21:50
Speaker 5: feminist when she was young and chose to be a
21:52
Speaker 5: single mother voluntarily.
21:54
Speaker 1: Not pausing it there for a second. So I'm gonna
21:57
Speaker 1: because I'm gonna repeat it for the people in the
22:00
Speaker 1: Twitter space. So warn Fall is reading a letter that
22:04
Speaker 1: he got from someone who read his book The Boy Crisis,
22:10
Speaker 1: and he OpEd the person is telling his story, this
22:13
Speaker 1: man who wrote him this letter, and he says, my
22:16
Speaker 1: mother was a feminist who chose to be like basically
22:19
Speaker 1: became a single mother voluntarily. So, you know, again just
22:25
Speaker 1: for the for to sort of like add to this, Yes,
22:29
Speaker 1: there are single moms who exist voluntarily, probably all of them,
22:35
Speaker 1: like on some level, most of them, right, Like.
22:38
Speaker 2: There are some some women who made.
22:40
Speaker 1: Babies with a guy or like had children with a
22:42
Speaker 1: man that they deluded themselves into thinking he was gonna
22:46
Speaker 1: stick around and he didn't. But I think by and large,
22:49
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, women do like being
22:51
Speaker 1: a single mom is a choice.
22:53
Speaker 2: Okay.
22:54
Speaker 1: So he opens with this, a feminist who becomes a
22:56
Speaker 1: single mom honor voluntarily.
22:59
Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 5: A father left a void in my life and a
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Speaker 5: whole in my heart. The Boy Crisis described my life
23:09
Speaker 5: so accurately that if I didn't know better, I'd have
23:13
Speaker 5: thought you were spying on me.
23:15
Speaker 1: So he says, the you know, not having a father
23:19
Speaker 1: basically like you know, ruined my life. Like I could
23:21
Speaker 1: tell that if I had a father, I would be
23:24
Speaker 1: better off. And his book The Boy Crisis proves that
23:27
Speaker 1: it's like it was like you you knew my life
23:30
Speaker 1: even though you don't know me.
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Speaker 5: Growing up, I was not motivated to be involved with
23:36
Speaker 5: my peers, and my mother never pushed me to excel
23:40
Speaker 5: in academics. I developed an addiction to video games, which
23:45
Speaker 5: facilitated a life of increasing dysfunction and isolation that ended
23:51
Speaker 5: up with me being a recluse.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so he basically goes on to say that, you know,
23:59
Speaker 1: because he didn't have a father, he did not he
24:01
Speaker 1: wasn't able to socialize, well, he didn't have any friends.
24:05
Speaker 1: He got addicted to video games or like you you know,
24:08
Speaker 1: it's video games or it's some other sort of distraction,
24:12
Speaker 1: you know, and he was he was basically a recluse
24:17
Speaker 1: as a result. His mother didn't help him. She didn't
24:19
Speaker 1: push him, you know, in any way. She didn't support
24:22
Speaker 1: him at least is what his claim is. So I
24:26
Speaker 1: see that Hughey says, DEI is to give more opportunities
24:29
Speaker 1: for everyone to apply for every job. Opportunity that's available
24:32
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with hiring, as they still hire
24:35
Speaker 1: the qualified workers. Why does it exist if people can
24:39
Speaker 1: get a job based on their own merit, why do
24:42
Speaker 1: you need DEI if because like from what you're saying,
24:46
Speaker 1: that just sounds like regular ass hiring. So explain to
24:49
Speaker 1: me how that is, Like, like, if you remove DEI,
24:54
Speaker 1: would that change equal opportunity that I don't think it would.
24:59
Speaker 1: So let's let's just let's just explain that, okay, because
25:03
Speaker 1: I think you've been lyed to, Hughie. I think that
25:05
Speaker 1: you're under the impression that if DEI didn't exist, brown
25:09
Speaker 1: people and women would not get jobs. And I'm telling
25:12
Speaker 1: you right now that's ridiculous. That's ridiculous because I'm brown
25:16
Speaker 1: and I got jobs, Okay, and I did it before
25:19
Speaker 1: we had DEI and like affirmative action whatever, whatever you
25:23
Speaker 1: want to call it. So I want you to explain
25:25
Speaker 1: to me why DEI is necessary for people to get
25:29
Speaker 1: jobs if it isn't unless, of course they are unqualified
25:34
Speaker 1: and they get them anyway because you have to meet
25:36
Speaker 1: a quota.
25:37
Speaker 2: Anyway, let's continue.
25:40
Speaker 5: I also developed a porn addiction.
25:43
Speaker 1: Okay, So he says he also developed a porn addiction,
25:45
Speaker 1: so he became addicted to video games.
25:47
Speaker 2: Important this guy who wrote.
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Speaker 5: This in good to not having a traditional outlet to
25:51
Speaker 5: release my sexual.
25:52
Speaker 1: Attention because he didn't have a traditional outlet to release
25:55
Speaker 1: sexual tension.
25:55
Speaker 2: I eat and have a girlfriend or a wife or whatever.
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Speaker 5: As a teenager. All of this was exacerbated by being
26:04
Speaker 5: socially ostracized and having frequent, intense and vicious arguments with
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Speaker 5: my mother.
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Speaker 1: So he also was ostracized, and he had frequent arguments
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Speaker 1: with his mother. So his mom sounds like a real.
26:23
Speaker 2: Character. I guess.
26:25
Speaker 5: I was still living in my mother's basement and got
26:29
Speaker 5: heavily involved with four chan and eight chan.
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Speaker 1: All right, I'm not laughing at the situation. This is
26:38
Speaker 1: the way that Warren Fell reads it out. He says
26:41
Speaker 1: that this young man he lived in his mother's basement
26:46
Speaker 1: in essentially what sounds like a very hostile environment, and
26:51
Speaker 1: he was addicted to video games and addicted to porn,
26:54
Speaker 1: and then he started going on four chan and eight chan.
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Speaker 2: So he was on four chan and him all the time.
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Speaker 5: Okay, I became involved, that is, with neo fascist ideologies.
27:09
Speaker 1: And he says, I got involved with neo fascist ideologies, okay.
27:15
Speaker 5: And I was active in the with the within the
27:18
Speaker 5: in cell community as well.
27:20
Speaker 2: And he was active within the in cell community.
27:23
Speaker 5: I actually interacted briefly with the Aztec High School shooter.
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Speaker 1: He said he he interacted briefly with the as Tech
27:31
Speaker 1: High School shooter. I don't remember that as Tech High
27:33
Speaker 1: School shooter? Was that the Mexican guy that had like, uh,
27:40
Speaker 1: I don't remember the ASTech shooter.
27:41
Speaker 2: Let me see if I can. I can look it
27:43
Speaker 2: up really quick.
27:44
Speaker 1: Well, you guys are chatting there, Hui says, sounds like
27:47
Speaker 1: a bunch of girl men blaming other people for your shortcomings.
27:51
Speaker 1: I don't what are you saying? Like, who are you
27:53
Speaker 1: talking to?
27:55
Speaker 5: Uh?
27:56
Speaker 1: DEI takes away opportunities from straight white men, which is
27:59
Speaker 1: wrong obvious. A David low Boy says, oh no, four
28:06
Speaker 1: chan and eight chan. I hope you didn't discover sixteen
28:09
Speaker 1: chan or thirty two chan. It may be worth it
28:14
Speaker 1: to summarize a minute of speech, not every five words?
28:16
Speaker 2: All right?
28:20
Speaker 1: I am Ian Mangham says, I believe them amazing.
28:24
Speaker 2: Who you talk to on YouTube?
28:27
Speaker 1: Miktial says Miktoile Cowboy says, we socially and economically dispose
28:32
Speaker 1: dispossessed young men. Then wonder why the men reject liberal ideology. Yeah,
28:36
Speaker 1: well because it's not serving them exactly, and they're like
28:40
Speaker 1: fuck it. I'm gonna try something crazier. Who is the
28:47
Speaker 1: as tech.
28:49
Speaker 2: Shooter? Okay, I'll play some more. It's almost over anyways.
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Speaker 5: Through my contact in the neo fascist community and I
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Speaker 5: myself had written a fifty two page manifesto outlining my
29:06
Speaker 5: plans to do a mass shooting, I slowly began to
29:11
Speaker 5: realize something was seriously wrong and my mental health had
29:13
Speaker 5: deteriorated dramatically as well. The boy crisis helped make sense
29:18
Speaker 5: of why I became who I was, and it was
29:21
Speaker 5: like waking up from a coma. I decided to go
29:25
Speaker 5: get help and have recently been diagnosed with schizotypal personality disorder.
29:32
Speaker 5: I've slowly been making progress at getting my life together.
29:36
Speaker 5: If it was not for you, sir, I think I
29:38
Speaker 5: would have eventually acted out on the beliefs expressed in
29:41
Speaker 5: my manifesto, as others that I worked with did in
29:44
Speaker 5: h Chand, such as the El Paso shooter Patrick Crusius,
29:49
Speaker 5: where the Christ Church, New Zealand shooter Brenton Tarrant had
29:53
Speaker 5: So I want to personally thank you because I feel
29:56
Speaker 5: like you have saved not only my life, but potentially
30:00
Speaker 5: the lives of other innocent people. Sincerely, Carlos.
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Speaker 2: So all right, So, sum up, he basically.
30:11
Speaker 1: Wrote a fifty two page manifesto, according to this letter,
30:16
Speaker 1: with the intent potentially of committing another a mass shooting.
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Speaker 2: He was in. I guess he spoke to.
30:23
Speaker 1: Guys like the El Paso shooter and the New Zealand
30:26
Speaker 1: christ Church shooter because they were on some board somewhere,
30:30
Speaker 1: I suppose, but he decided to get help instead because
30:35
Speaker 1: he read I guess he read Warren Ferrell's book. Of course,
30:39
Speaker 1: none of this can be one hundred percent confirmed, you know,
30:43
Speaker 1: I think I think Warren Ferrell definitely got a letter.
30:45
Speaker 1: I don't think he would like read it out in
30:48
Speaker 1: front of an audience if if it wasn't real. But
30:51
Speaker 1: I think that it does point to the thing that
30:53
Speaker 1: I was talking about, Like people are noticing that there
30:57
Speaker 1: are unfortunately negative consequences to disenfranchising men for long enough,
31:05
Speaker 1: and I hate that it has to come to stuff
31:08
Speaker 1: like this for people to actually like have a reaction,
31:11
Speaker 1: But that appears to be where we are now. So
31:15
Speaker 1: the Aztec shooter was William Atchison, a twenty one year
31:19
Speaker 1: old former student of Aztec High School, was a shooter
31:22
Speaker 1: in the December seventh, twenty seventeen school shooting at Aztec
31:25
Speaker 1: High School in Aztec, New Mexico.
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Speaker 2: I didn't know about that, but that was twenty seventeen.
31:32
Speaker 2: So uh yeah. So, like we have both of these.
31:40
Speaker 1: Guys and they are looking at what is going to
31:45
Speaker 1: be an issue if we don't figure out a way
31:50
Speaker 1: to get men and women to like each other again.
31:55
Speaker 2: All right, so let me see what you guys are saying.
31:58
Speaker 1: And again, if you want to join us, go join
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Speaker 1: the link in the description of this video and you
32:03
Speaker 1: can join the X space and you can talk to
32:06
Speaker 1: me if you want to. So, all right, let's see
32:10
Speaker 1: Micktown Cowboy says Warren Ferrell equals good guy.
32:13
Speaker 2: Yes, I think he's a good guy.
32:15
Speaker 1: I met him, Hughey, Blaming women is morally correct. We
32:20
Speaker 1: aren't blaming women and bringing back and bringing back patre
32:24
Speaker 1: patriarchy enough. Murder of Crow says so we got fed
32:28
Speaker 1: up and pissed off, then came to his senses and
32:29
Speaker 1: had a convo with a fed.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
32:35
Speaker 1: David low Boy says, fifty two pages is way too long.
32:38
Speaker 1: Brevity man, simplify, edit and proofread.
32:42
Speaker 2: Uh.
32:42
Speaker 1: Daniel Forgac says the letter kind of comes off as
32:46
Speaker 1: I was bad. Now I'll try to be a good
32:47
Speaker 1: little feminist. Well, I don't know about that, but you
32:51
Speaker 1: have to understand that if he goes from like potentially,
32:57
Speaker 1: you know, becoming a mass shooter to sort of like
32:59
Speaker 1: blue pilled normy, I'll take it. It's better that that
33:03
Speaker 1: you know that that's a step in the right direction.
33:05
Speaker 1: I'll just say that because I think what what drives
33:08
Speaker 1: people to do that is the nihilism that's the problem.
33:12
Speaker 1: Uh mik talk cowboys, says Doctor Helen Smith recently stated
33:15
Speaker 1: in an interview, I saw I no longer am proud
33:18
Speaker 1: of calling myself a psychologist because the entire field has
33:21
Speaker 1: become so anti male. I now prefer to be called
33:24
Speaker 1: an author. Yes, Helen Smith's awesome. She was on Paul
33:29
Speaker 1: Elam's channel the other day and they had they had
33:35
Speaker 1: a conversation about her new book, Men's Side, which I
33:38
Speaker 1: highly recommend you guys check out. It's basically like an
33:41
Speaker 1: expansion on her old book Men on Strike, which came.
33:44
Speaker 2: Out back in the day.
33:47
Speaker 1: Yaw Yaw's um Fringpong says, why is the greatest Trump
33:51
Speaker 1: still in government? Sounds like Chinese spy shit to me,
33:56
Speaker 1: Nova fan says, because he is the man American needs. Okay,
33:59
Speaker 1: you guys are changing the subject. Stop doing that. Marcus
34:03
Speaker 1: Allen says. Women think they can fix us. Well, that's
34:06
Speaker 1: because they think that there is something to fix, and
34:09
Speaker 1: that's something that we have.
34:10
Speaker 2: To change as well.
34:11
Speaker 1: So hello, Sally, welcome to the chat. Do you want
34:14
Speaker 1: to say anything, put a request in and I'll let
34:16
Speaker 1: you speak. So yeah, I just looked at two very
34:22
Speaker 1: different guys that are talking about the same problem, and
34:28
Speaker 1: that is essentially that. You know, It's like Gad Sad
34:31
Speaker 1: has said this too. He said that, like, you know,
34:34
Speaker 1: if men are sitting on their hands for too long
34:37
Speaker 1: and they don't have because what men want, I think
34:39
Speaker 1: ultimately most men they want like the feeling that they
34:42
Speaker 1: have a purpose and that it's moving towards some kind
34:45
Speaker 1: of goal.
34:46
Speaker 2: Right, And for most men, not all men.
34:49
Speaker 1: If you're not one of these men and get congratulations,
34:51
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about you. But for most men, they
34:54
Speaker 1: want to get a decent job, or start a business
34:58
Speaker 1: or something, find nice woman, buy a house, start a family.
35:04
Speaker 2: That's it. These are This is like the lowest the bar.
35:07
Speaker 1: Could possibly be, and yet at almost all of those
35:12
Speaker 1: avenues are closed off or at least highly obstructed. Getting
35:17
Speaker 1: a job is difficult because the jobs are going to
35:21
Speaker 1: like illegals or foreigners, or they're prioritizing DEI hires so
35:26
Speaker 1: they're giving them to women. I'm sorry, but it's true, Hughie.
35:29
Speaker 1: If you're still there, and they the so that that part.
35:37
Speaker 1: Housing is extremely expensive because these you know, big corporations
35:41
Speaker 1: are buying up all the land and shit, and that's
35:44
Speaker 1: got to change. But even then, even with those two things,
35:49
Speaker 1: it should be okay to find a woman and like
35:52
Speaker 1: work together to build a life.
35:53
Speaker 2: Right.
35:54
Speaker 1: But the problem is that women don't want normal men.
35:57
Speaker 1: They want like supermen. They want like super rich guys.
36:00
Speaker 1: They want the one percent. And this is the largest
36:02
Speaker 1: obstacle frankly, So let's see labor boys. David little Boy
36:11
Speaker 1: says she can fix these nuts. Mick Tao says mcktok carboy. Ultimately,
36:17
Speaker 1: men want to be useful and be respected. Yeah, but
36:20
Speaker 1: they want to earn the respect. Hello, Ray, Paul Patson welcome.
36:25
Speaker 1: If you want to say anything, please put in request
36:28
Speaker 1: and I will give you the floor. Marcus Allen says,
36:31
Speaker 1: I want a Geisha girl. To work around the house
36:33
Speaker 1: while I hustle money. Hey, you're welcome to try.
36:37
Speaker 6: Uh.
36:37
Speaker 1: Stan Dirko says Adolph Trump. Ice Maga are terrorists, traders
36:41
Speaker 1: and Nazi cowards. Okay, sure, okay, I mean I hope
36:46
Speaker 1: you're the star of that movie and that you get
36:48
Speaker 1: to win.
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Speaker 7: Uh.
36:49
Speaker 1: Murder of Crows says some have never heard of it
36:52
Speaker 1: ain't broke. If it ain't broken, if they did choose
36:54
Speaker 1: to ignore or can't comprehend it. Yeah, Uh, let's see.
37:02
Speaker 1: Mick Tau Cowboys says it's not eighty twenty anymore. It's
37:05
Speaker 1: more like ninety ten. Maybe it may be more than that. Actually,
37:09
Speaker 1: And the thing is, and like Helen Smith said this,
37:13
Speaker 1: and I've said this, We've looked at the studies that
37:16
Speaker 1: show that when you look at what young men want,
37:19
Speaker 1: at the top of their list is like a family,
37:22
Speaker 1: a wife and a home, like a.
37:25
Speaker 2: Job that they like.
37:26
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, everybody wants a job they like
37:30
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't want a job at all,
37:31
Speaker 1: and they just don't want to need one. But like
37:33
Speaker 1: these are all there's nothing radical about that. But what
37:37
Speaker 1: happens if you take that away, if you make that
37:40
Speaker 1: unattainable for the average man.
37:43
Speaker 2: How how long will that.
37:45
Speaker 1: Be before they start to, you know, radicalize and then
37:49
Speaker 1: can you blame them for that? So we got about
37:55
Speaker 1: twenty minutes before I got to end the show. So
37:57
Speaker 1: if you're gonna say anything, now is the time. Got
38:00
Speaker 1: a request here?
38:01
Speaker 2: Ink, you sell?
38:02
Speaker 1: Okay, you have been invited to speak, sir. What's your take?
38:11
Speaker 1: I've given you the floor. You should not be muted.
38:16
Speaker 1: Oh there you go. Hello, Ink you cell? You're gonna
38:34
Speaker 1: say anything? Or you're having problems with your microphone? Do
38:39
Speaker 1: you have the do you do you? Did you give
38:41
Speaker 1: permissions to the browser? I assume you know how to
38:43
Speaker 1: do that stuff. All right, I'll look at the chat
38:47
Speaker 1: in the meantime, so you figure that out. You should
38:50
Speaker 1: be able to talk, all right. Marcus Allen says, they
39:00
Speaker 1: listen to media and live in a delusion. The destruction
39:02
Speaker 1: of the nuclear family has broken society. Yes, well, the
39:06
Speaker 1: destruction of the nuclear family has destroyed community itself. And
39:10
Speaker 1: this is another thing that I've seen where some people
39:12
Speaker 1: are like, I think it was like Tree of Logic.
39:15
Speaker 1: Do you guys know who Tree of Logic is? She
39:17
Speaker 1: was like doing like a debate or something in an
39:21
Speaker 1: X space a while back, and she was trying to
39:25
Speaker 1: argue that the nuclear family is not what we should
39:27
Speaker 1: be trying to restore because she thinks a nuclear family
39:31
Speaker 1: is like not as important as a community. And I
39:35
Speaker 1: was like, dude, that sounds like COmON gobbledygook to me,
39:37
Speaker 1: because oh, there you are.
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Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, Oh I.
39:45
Speaker 1: Had you, but then you're you're not talking anymore Hello
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Speaker 1: tp T shirts Hell, yes, yes, hello.
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Speaker 6: All right, great, I don't know what that Yeah, that
39:55
Speaker 6: doesn't that don't well, don't really have a take, really,
39:59
Speaker 6: it's just a that's the audience of for for this
40:02
Speaker 6: is rather thin.
40:04
Speaker 7: But the every time these sort of things come up,
40:08
Speaker 7: this sort of topic of oh what to do, uh,
40:13
Speaker 7: I always come to the clusion that there's really nothing
40:17
Speaker 7: in the way that the system is set up. Like
40:19
Speaker 7: the only thing most people end up really talking about
40:23
Speaker 7: is some variation of how to de radicalize TM, how
40:29
Speaker 7: to do the deo radicalization things, and how how to
40:32
Speaker 7: how to stop people, how to stop people from going
40:35
Speaker 7: post like like the world guy that Warren Ferrell was,
40:38
Speaker 7: you know, reading the list from which, by the way,
40:41
Speaker 7: I have serious doubts that someone was actually in contact.
40:45
Speaker 7: It's not like, oh I talked to Brandon tarrant On
40:49
Speaker 7: on the Foreheads. Yeah, nobody's that's very very unlikely. Yeah,
40:54
Speaker 7: So so maybe it's just someone that's trying to do
40:58
Speaker 7: like that that his his presentation just needs that one
41:04
Speaker 7: guy that got better reading it as as a sort
41:07
Speaker 7: of favor. I'm not saying he made it up that
41:10
Speaker 7: like wor and Frail made it up. I'm I think
41:13
Speaker 7: some guy made it up just to be like a
41:16
Speaker 7: prop willingly.
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Speaker 4: Just to like like boost his mission.
41:20
Speaker 7: Sure it's sort of like that, right, But that's beside
41:23
Speaker 7: the point, because the end of the moral of the story,
41:27
Speaker 7: at the end of it was that we need to
41:31
Speaker 7: do deraiication, de radicalization things before more megal postal and
41:35
Speaker 7: we need to save the system from itself fundamentally.
41:39
Speaker 4: And I don't see how you can always prolong it.
41:44
Speaker 4: You can always buy more.
41:46
Speaker 7: Time, but it's it's unsustainable, right, Uh. And the way
41:53
Speaker 7: the system exists and the moral axioms on which he
41:56
Speaker 7: just found it, I don't really think it deserves anything
41:59
Speaker 7: like that. I don't thing it deserves more time, and
42:01
Speaker 7: another thing, it deserves to survive.
42:03
Speaker 5: Uh.
42:04
Speaker 4: As it stands.
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Speaker 7: I think it is the most ideological system ever conceived
42:09
Speaker 7: in history. Like it's more ideological than Thirdrich and it's
42:13
Speaker 7: more ideological than Soviet Union. It's uh, both those two
42:18
Speaker 7: entities had to we forced by the circumstances to be
42:24
Speaker 7: pragmatic about things.
42:27
Speaker 4: Right.
42:27
Speaker 7: So Salent eventually, very early on, liberalized all the all
42:34
Speaker 7: the social liberalism Lenin uh enacted, like the divorce laws
42:40
Speaker 7: and and the and the abortion stuff and and basically
42:44
Speaker 7: he leaned into the reaction and nature of the so
42:49
Speaker 7: the Russian peasant basically because he had to do that,
42:51
Speaker 7: I was pragmatism, and he was hated for that ultimately,
42:55
Speaker 7: like Trotsky hated him, and most of the most of
42:59
Speaker 7: the way Stalin is understood now is basically just propagana
43:03
Speaker 7: from Trotzkiss. Not that he wasn't a murder is just
43:08
Speaker 7: you know, his his his worldview and his political project
43:12
Speaker 7: is called by effectively trot ski is propaganda, owing due
43:16
Speaker 7: to the fact that a lot of the trot Skists
43:19
Speaker 7: ended up being the quote unquote neo conservatives in the
43:23
Speaker 7: fifties and sixties. But at the end of all of that,
43:28
Speaker 7: when you have the system that lives on cannibalizing productive
43:35
Speaker 7: energy and product that productive force, and its only innovation
43:40
Speaker 7: is being more parasitic. I had to tweet that the
43:45
Speaker 7: last time is that looking at some kind of a
43:50
Speaker 7: guy was complaining that his TV was showing an ad
43:53
Speaker 7: while it was idle, and I'm like, okay, the only
43:57
Speaker 7: only market efficiency left in the world is shoving mind
44:01
Speaker 7: rate emitters into every flat surface it could possibly find. Right,
44:06
Speaker 7: So this is the only thing productive is just horribly
44:09
Speaker 7: parasitized productive energy around it and generally be profane. And
44:14
Speaker 7: that that's a sick and dying system. Like so when
44:18
Speaker 7: when people start talking about the need to de radicalize,
44:21
Speaker 7: I mean, sure, the guy going postal, that's that should
44:26
Speaker 7: be prevented obviously, but not for the sake of saving
44:31
Speaker 7: the system. It's at most for the practical individuals on
44:34
Speaker 7: the ground that would end up catching a bullet. But
44:37
Speaker 7: uh so, so in the end you end up with this, Okay,
44:41
Speaker 7: so what the solution? So so, okay, you cannot go postal,
44:43
Speaker 7: You cannot go Although there is to the school shootings,
44:47
Speaker 7: there is an aspect of you know, drives by d
44:49
Speaker 7: m V drives by government office drives like politician uh
44:53
Speaker 7: vaporizes a random on the street, right, Like, what's the
44:55
Speaker 7: point of that if it was just one one thing,
45:00
Speaker 7: and always ask if you're going to do the stylistic
45:01
Speaker 7: violence because you're dead ender, I'd see no future in
45:04
Speaker 7: your world, and you don't want you want to go
45:07
Speaker 7: out with a place of glory instead of just quietly dying.
45:09
Speaker 7: Why do you drive past all of these right? And
45:12
Speaker 7: of course it ends up being that most of these
45:14
Speaker 7: guys have their Daniel defense of the three thousand dollars
45:19
Speaker 7: era rs donated to them by various individuals. So it's
45:27
Speaker 7: it's it's frankly interesting that more people aren't actually becoming
45:32
Speaker 7: radicalized and doing kinetic actions against targets that aren't children
45:38
Speaker 7: in schools, which is probably something you would imagine doing
45:43
Speaker 7: people would end up doing if they are completely dissillusioned
45:45
Speaker 7: by systematic counter pressure against them, which decidedly everyone like
45:54
Speaker 7: every rational actor, we come to the clusion isn't it
45:56
Speaker 7: isn't a kid at school, right, It's probably going to
46:00
Speaker 7: be like the only meaningful like political petic action I
46:04
Speaker 7: can think of is always against the right wingers like
46:09
Speaker 7: the Donald Trump, which okay, uh, his his loyalties some
46:16
Speaker 7: might question, but even like Randall's like stee Glee ends
46:19
Speaker 7: up being being uh, you know, all these politically kinetic
46:25
Speaker 7: actors and ends up being on the left.
46:27
Speaker 4: And and there's a reason for that.
46:29
Speaker 7: There's a reason for that is because of the political
46:31
Speaker 7: project of the system. Fundamentally, leftists and liberals shield their radicals,
46:36
Speaker 7: they utilize, they don't condemn them, they protect them, and.
46:40
Speaker 1: They yeah, well they're okay, here's my question. Then what
46:49
Speaker 1: I mean, I I understand that, and I do see
46:51
Speaker 1: it from a more let's say, pragmatic perspective of just
46:54
Speaker 1: trying to protect innocent people on the ground, and also
46:57
Speaker 1: these guys from self destructing because I'm I mean, they
47:00
Speaker 1: have to find a better way.
47:01
Speaker 2: But then, like, what is that? You know?
47:04
Speaker 1: Because you you do you have like any like I
47:08
Speaker 1: don't know, like paths.
47:09
Speaker 4: Like I don't have to I'm go to throw throw
47:11
Speaker 4: my hands up.
47:12
Speaker 7: I say, I have nothing constructive and I I do
47:15
Speaker 7: not don't know anything.
47:16
Speaker 4: I just the only way I see through.
47:18
Speaker 7: It is just to wait for the system to collapse somehow.
47:21
Speaker 7: If that is even possible, Is that is even something
47:24
Speaker 7: that is in the current hypermanagerial global communication global instant
47:30
Speaker 7: communication sort of control grid, is quote unquote collapse is
47:36
Speaker 7: even possible?
47:37
Speaker 4: I don't think it is.
47:38
Speaker 2: I think you okay for some good years like this.
47:43
Speaker 2: What if I said, like, I think because there are
47:50
Speaker 2: there are some things that are changing, like men are
47:53
Speaker 2: turning to basically the church and if if.
47:59
Speaker 1: Not because to find a woman, but just to like essentially,
48:05
Speaker 1: let's say, save themselves from you know, becoming too like
48:10
Speaker 1: black pilled and finding like a community there and support there.
48:14
Speaker 1: And I don't mean like you know these like Protestant
48:16
Speaker 1: churches that are.
48:17
Speaker 2: So they're subject to this kind of woke bullshit.
48:20
Speaker 1: I mean like the you know, the Eastern Orthodox that
48:23
Speaker 1: came out of like the Bolshevik Revolution, and they're they're
48:27
Speaker 1: looking for a place there and they're finding it. Like
48:32
Speaker 1: you know, Orthodox churches in the United States at least
48:34
Speaker 1: are seeing like immense growth there, more so than the
48:38
Speaker 1: Protestants obviously, and the even the Catholic one.
48:43
Speaker 2: Uh.
48:44
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't, I don't. I assume you're not
48:47
Speaker 1: a religious person and correct me if I'm wrong on that.
48:50
Speaker 7: I'm a Catholic, but I'm not practicing. I'm from I
48:53
Speaker 7: come from a I don't actually know what the religious
48:56
Speaker 7: breakdown is. I mean it's the Eastern European country, so
48:59
Speaker 7: it's a it's fairly really just. I think it's not
49:02
Speaker 7: like majority atheists yet I think some neighboring countries are yeah.
49:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So I mean like like, and again, this
49:10
Speaker 1: isn't to like address the issues.
49:14
Speaker 2: I'm bringing up.
49:15
Speaker 1: What I'm bringing up is that these are these things
49:17
Speaker 1: are happening. They can't really be stopped. I think that ultimately,
49:24
Speaker 1: Andrew Tates more like his his take on the cause
49:29
Speaker 1: and the sort of diagnosis of the problem is pretty
49:34
Speaker 1: spot on. And Warren Ferrell's kind of like trying to
49:38
Speaker 1: be let's say, a bit idealistic in presenting this as
49:43
Speaker 1: a way to sell his book in the hopes that
49:45
Speaker 1: his book will, you know, change things. But I don't
49:48
Speaker 1: think that those I don't think that's a solution in
49:51
Speaker 1: the long run, because we have, like what we need
49:54
Speaker 1: is to change people at a deeper level and they
49:57
Speaker 1: have to choose that. And I don't think that that's
49:59
Speaker 1: going to, uh, you know, happen because of some piece
50:03
Speaker 1: of legislation or.
50:04
Speaker 2: Something in the system. It's got to happen in people
50:06
Speaker 2: on the ground, at the bottom level, at the lowest
50:09
Speaker 2: possible Yeah, at the lowest level.
50:13
Speaker 1: And I think that men are choosing that, like I'm
50:15
Speaker 1: seeing you know, I'm seeing that because like modernity itself,
50:19
Speaker 1: I think they're seeing that as the enemy.
50:21
Speaker 2: Now, I don't know if modernity.
50:23
Speaker 1: Is the system, but it is definitely like either a
50:28
Speaker 1: product of or is the producer of it.
50:33
Speaker 7: Yeah, I uh this is then then it's a question
50:36
Speaker 7: of Okay, what's the ideal or or what's what's what's
50:40
Speaker 7: a good enough outcome?
50:40
Speaker 4: It's good enough outcome.
50:42
Speaker 7: These groups of men sort of creating parallel uh so
50:45
Speaker 7: the sort of isolated parallel pockets, parallel societies where they
50:50
Speaker 7: sort of just can live a dignify life.
50:52
Speaker 5: Right.
50:53
Speaker 7: Uh, I don't know with the state of women basically,
51:00
Speaker 7: what if any woman would go for that? Like I'm
51:03
Speaker 7: comple I'm gonna admit that I don't know, Like what's
51:06
Speaker 7: the state currently with women like I for.
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Speaker 4: My end or not? It's not that I try.
51:12
Speaker 5: Really.
51:13
Speaker 7: Another thing is a lot of a lot of my
51:16
Speaker 7: circumstances which are great, which I can't complain about. I'm
51:19
Speaker 7: fairly content, but it's it's a life of a it's
51:23
Speaker 7: a it's a monistic life, the life I'm living right,
51:26
Speaker 7: which is not going to be for everyone. And I'm
51:28
Speaker 7: mostly fine with that if if I never find the
51:30
Speaker 7: woman I would like to, But if I never had that,
51:32
Speaker 7: I'm kind of okay with it because I know what
51:34
Speaker 7: the score is is like or me it is it is,
51:37
Speaker 7: it is possible, I will partially thinking about it.
51:40
Speaker 4: Have I sighled myself into that? Is it actually not
51:43
Speaker 4: that bad out there? Is that? Could I?
51:46
Speaker 7: The thing is, I don't even know where I would go,
51:48
Speaker 7: so where I would go to find a woman? Right,
51:52
Speaker 7: So I'm mostly down to me being a social and
51:56
Speaker 7: isolated and being in front of the comput is good
52:00
Speaker 7: enough for me.
52:01
Speaker 2: You're basically an outside observer commenting on.
52:03
Speaker 4: Yes, so I cannot model the other.
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Speaker 7: I cannot model the situation for the overage person through experience.
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Speaker 2: Marginal.
52:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, most men don't want to live that monastic life
52:19
Speaker 1: and so yes, I And the thing is too is
52:22
Speaker 1: that like, well, I guess we don't really have to
52:25
Speaker 1: care about that stuff. But I was gonna say, like,
52:27
Speaker 1: you know, there are groups of people like that have
52:31
Speaker 1: they're also religious, not Christians, and they are working really
52:36
Speaker 1: hard to you know, become the dominant religion. And so
52:41
Speaker 1: I think that another reason why men are returning to
52:44
Speaker 1: or at least like taking an interest in religious pursuits
52:48
Speaker 1: is because they are trying to like avoid that outcome
52:51
Speaker 1: because you know, they want to have kids, so they
52:53
Speaker 1: want to be with a woman who wants to have kids.
52:56
Speaker 1: And I think that it's hard to say, and I'm
52:58
Speaker 1: with you on this too, it's hard to say that
53:00
Speaker 1: if the world we see through the internet is the world,
53:04
Speaker 1: because it is like a pocket, you know.
53:07
Speaker 2: But I you know, I can't. I don't know exactly
53:10
Speaker 2: what to do either.
53:11
Speaker 1: I'm just pointing at the problem and I'm saying, here's
53:14
Speaker 1: what's going on, and here's why and what you know,
53:18
Speaker 1: what would need to change, but I'm not sure how.
53:21
Speaker 2: And uh so, yeah, I mean I don't I don't know.
53:24
Speaker 1: I think the collapse is going to cause a lot
53:26
Speaker 1: of suffering, but I don't know that we can do
53:28
Speaker 1: anything about it.
53:29
Speaker 2: So I don't know. I hope.
53:30
Speaker 7: So anyway, Yeah, another thing, another point i'd like to
53:34
Speaker 7: just maybe conclude on. You know, can talk about it more.
53:37
Speaker 7: But when people or when, as you mentioned on this,
53:41
Speaker 7: in this individual level, pursuing sort of a more reactionary
53:45
Speaker 7: mindset or trying to ving themselves off off of the
53:50
Speaker 7: systems like summitizing mechanisms and mechanisms and structures and incentives
53:57
Speaker 7: to keep keep them just hooked up on Reddit, Internet
54:01
Speaker 7: or over various ameliorating and summitizing vices.
54:06
Speaker 4: If the people, if.
54:06
Speaker 7: The men are reading themselves off and are turning towards
54:10
Speaker 7: quote unquote more radical politics or views of the world,
54:15
Speaker 7: then the de real edication, de radicalization apparatus, apparatus, however
54:23
Speaker 7: your parents apparatus. It is fundamentally like the first line
54:32
Speaker 7: of first enemy line, like the first thing that is
54:36
Speaker 7: so I guess what I'm saying is the radicalization is
54:40
Speaker 7: not desirable if you seek change of the system, right,
54:45
Speaker 7: because deer radicalization inevitably is going to end up uh
54:49
Speaker 7: you know something along the lines of talking to a psychiatrist,
54:53
Speaker 7: which is talking to a liberal until you agree with them.
54:56
Speaker 7: And it might be that that these men who will
55:01
Speaker 7: pursue prontopo radical politics, uh will end up being too
55:07
Speaker 7: edgy for some someone's taste. But then it is a
55:10
Speaker 7: question of Okay, do you just want to make the
55:13
Speaker 7: bag in the system and you don't care what happens,
55:16
Speaker 7: and you just want to keep the you want to
55:19
Speaker 7: just get your own pan of flesh and you don't
55:21
Speaker 7: really care what happens outside of that, and you would
55:25
Speaker 7: prefer in that, you would prefer the system to to
55:28
Speaker 7: to sort of proddle along, just just keep the train moving.
55:32
Speaker 7: Or people are going to come up with, you know, loopy,
55:40
Speaker 7: crazy ideologies. Yeah, they are not going to be palatable,
55:44
Speaker 7: but the instinct cannot then be. If you're saying here,
55:48
Speaker 7: if if one is sincere about this or serious about
55:50
Speaker 7: it is oh, get get back, get bad to, get
55:53
Speaker 7: back on Reddit, get back on petition.
55:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure. No, No, I don't want that either.
55:59
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what Warren Farell's letter was about, but
56:01
Speaker 1: I don't think that solves the problem. All right, Well,
56:05
Speaker 1: thank you in q sell for your comments. I'm going
56:08
Speaker 1: to wrap the show up so you can stay speaking
56:12
Speaker 1: if you want to. I'm going to read some of
56:13
Speaker 1: the comments and I'm gonna end the show though, So
56:16
Speaker 1: thank you.
56:16
Speaker 2: For your for your feedback. Appreciate it.
56:20
Speaker 1: Let's see Migtown Cowboy says, I think ultimately this is
56:24
Speaker 1: a political problem, as men must regain their rights within
56:27
Speaker 1: family court. Richard Bierre says things could also go the
56:31
Speaker 1: Atlas Shrugged route too. There will be little pockets of
56:34
Speaker 1: Galt's gulch that will be hard to spot from the outside,
56:37
Speaker 1: but will be self sustaining but not interacting with the outside.
56:42
Speaker 1: David Lowboy says nuclear family is a bit of a
56:44
Speaker 1: historical anomaly. People lived in multigenerational families for a long time. Yes, yes,
56:48
Speaker 1: but I'm saying, like I call it the nuclear family
56:51
Speaker 1: because it's the nucleus right of extended family.
56:53
Speaker 2: I mean, when I was a kid, I grew up with.
56:57
Speaker 1: My mother and father, my brothers, but I I also
57:00
Speaker 1: had my cousins, my aunts, my uncles, my grandparents, and
57:03
Speaker 1: we were all like in the same you know, like city.
57:06
Speaker 1: We were a little bit spread out, but we were
57:08
Speaker 1: able to see each other. And I don't think that
57:10
Speaker 1: was like a weird Puerto Rican thing. I think that's like,
57:13
Speaker 1: you know, anybody could form that, but it does have
57:15
Speaker 1: at it's at its core there are you know, there
57:19
Speaker 1: is a mother and a father. If you want to
57:20
Speaker 1: like maximize your odds, if you're gonna do that, if
57:23
Speaker 1: you're gonna if you're gonna engage in family maxing, that's
57:26
Speaker 1: what you do. So Lockness Monster, Lockness Monster says Epstein
57:33
Speaker 1: fathered a generation of in cells with his four chan
57:36
Speaker 1: red pill movement. It all started with Gamergate boys. I
57:40
Speaker 1: hear he was on Xbox Murder Murder of Crow says,
57:45
Speaker 1: seems like there's only one poster in the chans Anonymous. Yeah,
57:49
Speaker 1: there is only one post, that's true. It could be
57:51
Speaker 1: any one of them, or or it's the one. David
57:56
Speaker 1: Lowboy says, Trotsky got his comeuppance in Mexico City. Let's see,
58:02
Speaker 1: Micktown Cowboy. The message of the system, a slash establishment
58:06
Speaker 1: is that men are always wrong obey government and women.
58:09
Speaker 1: It's always men that overthrow tyranny. Yeah, and I think that, like, yeah,
58:13
Speaker 1: I know, that's that's that's just yeah, good point, Okay.
58:19
Speaker 1: Mangaka ninety two on Rumble says just because people have
58:22
Speaker 1: given up on the system doesn't mean they'll violently tear
58:24
Speaker 1: it down. Well though, most of them are just gonna
58:26
Speaker 1: check out. That's what I'm saying. And you could call
58:29
Speaker 1: that radical too, because if enough men leave, they just
58:32
Speaker 1: stop supporting it. Guess what happens to the infrastructure. It's
58:35
Speaker 1: not like women are gonna take those jobs, let's see.
58:41
Speaker 1: Mangaka also says we're one Warren Ferrell book away from utopia.
58:47
Speaker 1: Then he says hermit Ma Sing's referring to inq CL
58:53
Speaker 1: Micktown Cowboy says. Jewish philosopher Otto Wagner summarized it best, saying, basically,
59:00
Speaker 1: almost all social problems stem from out of control women
59:03
Speaker 1: in society. And then he says, pursuant to scorch Earth ideology,
59:07
Speaker 1: men should accept and advocate the use of prostitutes. Men
59:10
Speaker 1: should also push for legislation of prostitution. Let's see David
59:18
Speaker 1: low Boy says, Watch in the Name of the Roads,
59:20
Speaker 1: great movie with monks, Sean Connery, Christian Slater. Well, that's
59:24
Speaker 1: that sounds like a good one. Those I like those guys. Uh, Mangka,
59:28
Speaker 1: says Alison Moment. I don't know what do you mean
59:31
Speaker 1: by that. Mikto Cowboy says, this guy is over intellectualizing.
59:34
Speaker 1: Men just need to start resisting in any way.
59:37
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, okay, let's see how fast you get
59:40
Speaker 4: for FBI.
59:40
Speaker 7: Don't you don't resist the most complex security apparatus in history?
59:47
Speaker 2: Like what what?
59:48
Speaker 4: What the hell is? What does that mean?
59:50
Speaker 2: I don't know.
59:53
Speaker 1: That that's a that's a MCTAO cowboy. So he's gonna
59:57
Speaker 1: do it from his cabin in the woods. Lost Vein says,
1:00:00
Speaker 1: then men date and think they are the exclusion and
1:00:03
Speaker 1: do everything right. Men wake up, wake up not by
1:00:06
Speaker 1: other men, but by women. Oh yeah, I mean that's unfortunate.
1:00:11
Speaker 1: It shouldn't be that way. In my opinion, I think
1:00:14
Speaker 1: that waiting for women to like do something is just
1:00:18
Speaker 1: It's why were things are just getting worse. I think
1:00:20
Speaker 1: men need to, like, you know, get together and work
1:00:23
Speaker 1: something out. Daniel Fourgak says the issue that comes to
1:00:27
Speaker 1: mind with potential radicalization is the left co opting it
1:00:30
Speaker 1: since that is their preferred method. Well, I think that
1:00:34
Speaker 1: they want people blackpilled and violent to justify like really
1:00:39
Speaker 1: cracking down. Agreeious Charles says nuclear family was a part
1:00:42
Speaker 1: of what might be called a molecular family. It was
1:00:44
Speaker 1: always there in any successful civilization. Yeah, like I said,
1:00:48
Speaker 1: it's at the core of something. It's not just it's
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Speaker 1: not in isolation, you know. And yet people think that
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Speaker 1: that's what it means. And I think that that's like
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Speaker 1: this nineteen fifties thing where it's it's like, oh, yeah,
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Speaker 1: there were no aunts and uncles and grandparents and cousins,
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Speaker 1: and yeah, that's no. I don't even think it was
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Speaker 1: true then anyway, uh Ilia Koreakin says, Hi, Hello, Ilia,
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Speaker 1: Uh Sean Connery is in the league of extraordinary gentleman.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I actually that's a guilty pleasure of mine. All right, anyway,
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