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The Mount Moriah Cemetery Grave Robbery Case · Murder Files Unsealed

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  Speaker 1: Imagine, if you will, that you are a detective.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm picturing it.
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  Speaker 1: Right. So you are standing in a 19th century underground crypt.
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  Speaker 1: The air is absolutely freezing.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 1: And there's this centriole dust just, you know, floating around
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  Speaker 1: you in the flashlight beam. It's clearly been disturbed recently.
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  Speaker 2: Which is not something you expect in a sealed crypt.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. Because the heavy marble that was sealing this burial vault,
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  Speaker 1: a vault belonging to a family from the 1800s, It
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  Speaker 1: is completely shattered.
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  Speaker 2: It is destroyed.
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  Speaker 1: Destroyed. And right in the middle of this desecrated subterranean chamber,
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  Speaker 1: sitting right there on the rubble, you find a brightly colored,
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  Speaker 1: discarded monster energy drink can.
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  Speaker 2: It's just such a jarring image, right?
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  Speaker 1: It makes no sense. And that is what today's deep
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  Speaker 1: dive is all about. We are looking at the exact
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  Speaker 1: moment where modern digital clout chasing violently collided with the
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  Speaker 1: sacred dead.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And it is a visual that makes... Almost no
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  Speaker 2: sense at all. And so you understand the completely bizarre
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  Speaker 2: ecosystem that actually created it. Because you have this beautiful
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  Speaker 2: 19th century architecture being breached by someone using like modern
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  Speaker 2: tactical climbing gear.
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  Speaker 1: And fueled by energy drinks, apparently.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Fueled by energy drinks and doing it all to
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  Speaker 2: feed this totally unregulated 21st century Internet black market.
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  Speaker 1: It is wild. So welcome to today's deep dive. We
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  Speaker 1: are incredibly glad you are joining us today. Our mission
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  Speaker 1: is to unpack a staggering, honestly chilling case drawn from
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  Speaker 1: court documents and a January 2026 news report out of Philadelphia.
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  Speaker 2: It really is staggering.
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  Speaker 1: We are looking at the case of Jonathan Gerlach. He's
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  Speaker 1: a 34-year-old man who is currently facing over 500 criminal charges.
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  Speaker 2: Over 500. Just let that number sink in. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Because this wasn't just, you know, a one-off act of
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  Speaker 1: vandalism by some kids. This was an elaborate, months-long plot
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  Speaker 1: to systematically burglarize historic cemeteries.
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  Speaker 2: Harvest human remains, basically.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, on an industrial scale.
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  Speaker 2: And we were going to break down the actual mechanics
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  Speaker 2: of how a modern-day grave robber operates.
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  Speaker 1: The logistics of it all.
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  Speaker 2: Right. The logistics, plus the forensic trail that eventually brought
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  Speaker 2: him down. And, uh... the highly normalized, completely unhinged online
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  Speaker 2: subcultures that somehow incentivize this kind of behavior in the
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  Speaker 2: first place.
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  Speaker 1: The sheer scale of this is what initially threw me.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, when you hear the phrase grave robbing, your
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  Speaker 1: mind instinctively goes to like the 1800s.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely. Birth and heir, right?
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  Speaker 1: Yes. You think of Victorian London medical students paying guys
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  Speaker 1: with shovels in the middle of the night to source
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  Speaker 1: cadavers for anatomy class.
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  Speaker 2: It feels like an antiquated crime.
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  Speaker 1: Totally. You simply do not expect a guy in 2026
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  Speaker 1: Pennsylvania to be running a massive subterranean excavation ring.
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  Speaker 2: No, you really don't. And the timeline of how this
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  Speaker 2: whole thing unraveled actually starts with the people who care
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  Speaker 2: about these historical places the most.
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  Speaker 1: The volunteers.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. So. In early November 2025, you have volunteers from
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  Speaker 2: a group called the Friends of Mount Moriah.
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  Speaker 1: And they were just doing routine work, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, routine maintenance at the historic Mount Moriah Cemetery in Yeadon, Pennsylvania.
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  Speaker 2: And just to give you an idea, this cemetery is
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  Speaker 2: a classic example of the rural cemetery movement from the
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  Speaker 2: mid-19th century.
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  Speaker 1: So it's not just a flat field with headstones.
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  Speaker 2: No, not at all. It's vast. It's sprawling. It's designed
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  Speaker 2: almost like a public park. And these volunteers... They dedicate
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  Speaker 2: their weekends to pulling weeds, writing fallen headstones, just trying
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  Speaker 2: to preserve local history.
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  Speaker 1: Which is such noble work.
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  Speaker 2: It really is. But then, on November 7th, they discovered
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  Speaker 2: just catastrophic damage to the Hunter family mausoleum.
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  Speaker 1: And catastrophic is definitely the right word here. Because when
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  Speaker 1: we look at the court documents and the photos from
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  Speaker 1: the scene, I mean, cinder blocks were completely smashed.
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  Speaker 2: Pulverized. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Massive pieces of solid marble flooring were totally destroyed. the
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  Speaker 1: underground crypts that were located beneath the above-ground mausoleum, they
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  Speaker 1: were just exposed to the open air.
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  Speaker 2: And the destruction was highly targeted, too.
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  Speaker 1: Right. It wasn't random.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Whoever did this wasn't just, you know, tagging a
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  Speaker 2: wall with spray paint and running away for a thrill.
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  Speaker 2: They were systematically dismantling structural masonry just to access the
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  Speaker 2: subterranean level.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let me stop you right there, because the physical
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  Speaker 1: force required for this is baffling to me.
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  Speaker 2: It did a lot of work.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I have done some home renovation. And if
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  Speaker 1: you have ever tried to demolish a cinder block wall
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  Speaker 1: or rip up thick historical marble, you know that does
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  Speaker 1: not happen quietly.
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  Speaker 2: You know it's incredibly loud.
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  Speaker 1: And it does not happen quickly. You were talking about
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  Speaker 1: swinging sledgehammers, using heavy masonry wedges, maybe even a heavy crowbar.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Heavy tools.
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  Speaker 1: That is backbreaking construction work. So my question is, How
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  Speaker 1: does someone execute a noisy demolition job in a cemetery
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  Speaker 1: without someone calling the police immediately?
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  Speaker 2: Well, that goes directly to the psychology of the environment itself.
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  Speaker 2: Because a place like Mount Moriah provides an unintended acoustic
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  Speaker 2: and honestly psychological cover. Oh, so. First, just consider the
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  Speaker 2: physical scale of these Victorian-era cemeteries. They're massive, right? They
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  Speaker 2: often span hundreds of acres.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: And they're filled with mature trees, rolling hills, large stone monuments.
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  Speaker 2: And all of that physical matter acts as a natural
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  Speaker 2: sound baffle.
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  Speaker 1: So it kind of absorbs the echoes.
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  Speaker 2: It does. If you were deep in the interior of
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  Speaker 2: the cemetery, the sound of a hammer striking stone. It
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  Speaker 2: just doesn't necessarily travel to the perimeter streets in a
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  Speaker 2: recognizable way.
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  Speaker 1: It just blends into the ambient noise of the surrounding city, maybe.
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  Speaker 2: Precisely. If a neighbor living near the cemetery perimeter hears
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  Speaker 2: a thud on a Tuesday night, their brain doesn't leap to, oh,
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  Speaker 2: someone is breaching a 19th century crypt.
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  Speaker 1: Right. They assume it's just normal city sounds.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they assume a heavy branch fell or a delivery
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  Speaker 2: truck hit a pothole. We have this collective blind spot
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  Speaker 2: regarding these spaces.
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  Speaker 1: Because they're supposed to be peaceful.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Because we view cemeteries as these static, frozen environments.
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  Speaker 2: We simply do not process anomalous activity within them as
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  Speaker 2: an active threat.
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  Speaker 1: Which raises a major question about the timeline here. Because
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  Speaker 1: the volunteers filed that first report on November 7th. But
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  Speaker 1: considering the sheer amount of labor required to break through
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  Speaker 1: that much solid stone, and the fact that similar damage
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  Speaker 1: was eventually found across multiple family plots throughout the cemetery,
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  Speaker 1: this had to have been going on for a long time.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it is highly probable that November 7th was simply
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  Speaker 2: the tipping point.
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  Speaker 1: The point where it got too obvious.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, where the structural damage became too obvious to ignore.
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  Speaker 2: You don't just walk into a cemetery on day one
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  Speaker 2: and successfully breach a reinforced marble floor.
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  Speaker 1: Right, there's a learning curve to grave robbing, I guess.
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  Speaker 2: There has to be. The perpetrator likely started with smaller
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  Speaker 2: exploratory damage, you know, figured out what tools were necessary,
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  Speaker 2: and then escalated over weeks or even months.
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  Speaker 1: And the crazy part is, getting through that marble was
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  Speaker 1: really just the warm-up.
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  Speaker 2: It really was.
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  Speaker 1: What Gerlach was allegedly doing once he got past the
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  Speaker 1: surface level, it shifts this from a story about vandalism
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  Speaker 1: to something resembling, like, tactical spelunking.
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  Speaker 2: It's like a dark Indiana Jones scenario. Yeah. The mechanics
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  Speaker 2: of the descent are fascinating from a forensic standpoint.
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  Speaker 1: What did they find when they looked down there?
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  Speaker 2: When investigators finally got a look inside these breached structures,
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  Speaker 2: they found this elaborate setup. They actually documented a heavy
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  Speaker 2: rope tied securely to a tree branch outside the mausoleum.
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  Speaker 1: Outside.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and attached to that rope was a carabiner. And
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  Speaker 2: the line dropped roughly 10 feet straight down into the
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  Speaker 2: darkness of the subterranean chamber.
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  Speaker 1: So he is literally rappelling into the burial vaults.
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  Speaker 2: Bypassing the above ground markers entirely. He's just dropping in.
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  Speaker 1: That is terrifying.
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  Speaker 2: And these underground vaults, they were 10 to 12 feet deep.
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  Speaker 2: Once he was down there, he was maneuvering massive stone
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  Speaker 2: and marble slabs that sealed the individual crypts.
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  Speaker 1: By himself.
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  Speaker 2: Apparently. Police documented heavy tool marks all over the edges
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  Speaker 2: of these slabs. In one vault, they even found a
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  Speaker 2: broken wooden pallet.
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  Speaker 1: A pallet, like a shipping pallet.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, a shipping pallet that had been wedged against the wall,
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  Speaker 2: operating as an improvised ladder to help him climb back
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  Speaker 2: out of the pit.
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  Speaker 1: Because getting down is easy, but getting out with human
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  Speaker 1: remains is hard.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. And this wasn't a single occurrence either. He targeted
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  Speaker 2: so many families. The Pritchard family, the Charlton's, the Slack's,
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  Speaker 2: the Ogden's, the McCullough's, the Luber's, the Campbell's, the Ziegler's,
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  Speaker 2: and the Hasson's.
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  Speaker 1: It is a systematic plundering of entire generations.
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  Speaker 2: It really is.
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  Speaker 1: But here is the friction for me. This is the
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  Speaker 1: part I cannot get my head around. This guy is
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  Speaker 1: rigging load-bearing ropes, utilizing carabiners, and maneuvering heavy stone in
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  Speaker 1: absolute darkness, right? Right. He is clearly planning this meticulously.
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  Speaker 1: And yet, Amidst the hundred-year-old dust and shattered marble, police
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  Speaker 1: find his discarded monster energy cans and cigarette butts.
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  Speaker 2: It is a stunning contradiction, but honestly, it perfectly illustrates
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  Speaker 2: a phenomenon we see often in serial offenses.
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  Speaker 1: Explain that because to me it's just wild. He's leaving
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  Speaker 1: his literal trash behind for crime scene investigators.
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  Speaker 2: It sounds crazy.
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  Speaker 1: How do you reconcile a guy who calculates a 10
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  Speaker 1: foot blind drop into a historic crypt but is so
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  Speaker 1: sloppy he tosses a can carrying his own saliva right
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  Speaker 1: over his shoulder.
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  Speaker 2: It looks like stupidity on the surface for sure. But
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  Speaker 2: neurologically it is closer to tunnel vision brought on by
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  Speaker 2: extreme hubris.
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  Speaker 1: Hubris. So he just thought he was invincible.
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  Speaker 2: Sort of. When someone engages in an act that is
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  Speaker 2: this fundamentally transgressive and they get away with it repeatedly,
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  Speaker 2: they develop this profound sense of invulnerability.
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  Speaker 1: Because no one caught him the first five times.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. The adrenaline of the physical exertion combined with the
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  Speaker 2: extreme isolation of being an underground vault, it creates a
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  Speaker 2: psychological bubble.
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  Speaker 1: So he assumes the normal rules of the outside world,
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  Speaker 1: like police investigations and forensic science, They just don't apply
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  Speaker 1: down in that hole.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. He is entirely focused on the physical extraction of
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  Speaker 2: the remains. He isn't thinking about Locard's exchange principle.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, wait. Break that down for us, because Locard's principle
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  Speaker 1: is basically the cornerstone of modern forensics, right?
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  Speaker 2: It is. Dr. Edmund Locard, he was a pioneer in
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  Speaker 2: forensic science, and he formulated this basic principle that every
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  Speaker 2: contact leaves a trace.
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  Speaker 1: Every contact.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Whenever two objects come into contact, there's a transfer
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  Speaker 2: of material. No matter what. No matter what. So in
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  Speaker 2: this case, Gerlach brings a cold aluminum can into a
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  Speaker 2: very dry, dusty environment. Okay. He drinks from it, which
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  Speaker 2: means he's transferring epithelial cells from his lips and saliva
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  Speaker 2: right onto the opening.
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  Speaker 1: His DNA.
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  Speaker 2: His DNA. And he touches it with his bare or
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  Speaker 2: gloved hands, transferring sweat, oils, maybe trace fibers from his clothes.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: By discarding that can in an environment that is essentially
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  Speaker 2: a static, temperature-stable time capsule... He is perfectly preserving his
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  Speaker 2: own biological profile for the investigators.
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  Speaker 1: He practically gift-wrapped it for them.
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  Speaker 2: He really did. And that biological trace is what blew
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  Speaker 2: the case wide open.
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  Speaker 1: Because it wasn't just Mount Moriah, right?
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  Speaker 2: No, not at all.
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  Speaker 1: Police were able to take the DNA and the fingerprint
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  Speaker 1: evidence they pulled from those energy cans and cigarette butts,
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  Speaker 1: and they matched it to evidence found at a completely
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  Speaker 1: separate string of cemetery burglaries in Plains Township, Luzerne County.
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  Speaker 2: And that transformed the entire investigation. Because the local police
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  Speaker 2: in Yadin, they suddenly realized they weren't dealing with local
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  Speaker 2: teenagers causing trouble.
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  Speaker 1: Right. It's not just a prank.
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  Speaker 2: It's a regional serial desecrator who was crossing county lines.
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  Speaker 2: And the methodology was identical at the other sites.
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  Speaker 1: Which proves it's the same guy.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Breaching vaults, leaving energy drinks behind, and wrapping targeted
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  Speaker 2: remains in clear plastic.
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  Speaker 1: OK, I want to ground this for a second because
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  Speaker 1: we are talking a lot about the mechanics and the
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  Speaker 1: forensics and the ropes and cans. But we have to
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  Speaker 1: remember what was actually in those vaults.
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  Speaker 2: That is so important to remember.
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  Speaker 1: Inside the Pritchard family mausoleum, investigators found that five of
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  Speaker 1: the nine crypts had been forced open.
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  Speaker 2: Five out of nine.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. And they specifically noted that the remains of Mary
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  Speaker 1: Pritchard Stiegelman, a woman who died in 1940, had been
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  Speaker 1: entirely removed.
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  Speaker 2: That detail is vital. The term human remains, it can
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  Speaker 2: feel very clinical and detached when you read it in
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  Speaker 2: a police report.
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  Speaker 1: It really can.
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  Speaker 2: But Mary Pritchard Stiegelman was a human being. She lived,
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  Speaker 2: she had a family, and when she died 85 years ago,
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  Speaker 2: her family placed her in that vault with a social contract.
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  Speaker 1: A contract that she would be left in peace.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. And he just took her.
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  Speaker 1: It anchors the entire narrative for me. This is a
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  Speaker 1: crime against memory. But doing this kind of manual labor
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  Speaker 1: in freezing weather... driving across county lines, rappelling into pits,
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  Speaker 1: that implies a massive payoff.
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  Speaker 2: You would think so, yes.
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  Speaker 1: If he is not just pawning the occasional gold ring
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  Speaker 1: or pocket watch he finds, who is the buyer for
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  Speaker 1: a 100-year-old skull, where is the incentive coming from?
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  Speaker 2: Well, the incentive is arguably the most disturbing layer of
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  Speaker 2: this entire case.
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  Speaker 1: Really? More disturbing than the Crips?
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  Speaker 2: I think so. Because the motivation doesn't exist in the
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  Speaker 2: physical world of pawn shops or black market antiquities dealers.
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  Speaker 2: It is entirely driven by a highly specific digital ecosystem.
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  Speaker 1: Ah, the digital trail. The digital trail here is wild.
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  Speaker 2: That's unbelievable.
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  Speaker 1: So in December, while police are trying to figure out
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  Speaker 1: who belongs to this DNA on the energy can, they
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  Speaker 1: get a tip. And this tip sounds like an urban legend.
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  Speaker 2: It sounds totally made up.
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  Speaker 1: An informant reaches out to authorities and claims that there
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  Speaker 1: is a partially decomposed human corpse hanging in Jonathan Gerlach's
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  Speaker 1: basement in Lancaster County.
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  Speaker 2: Just hanging in the basement. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And the informant also alleges that Gerlach had recently traveled
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  Speaker 1: to Chicago specifically to sell a human skull.
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  Speaker 2: And a tip of that magnitude, it fundamentally shifts the
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  Speaker 2: trajectory of the investigation.
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  Speaker 1: How so?
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  Speaker 2: Because the police are no longer just asking who is
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  Speaker 2: taking these remains. They're suddenly asking, where is the distribution network?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, right, because he has to be selling them somewhere.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. So investigators pull warrants for his digital footprint. And
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  Speaker 2: what they uncover is a thriving, deeply normalized subculture.
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  Speaker 1: It's so creepy.
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  Speaker 2: They locate a Gerlach's profile, which is active in an
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  Speaker 2: online network described in court documents as a human bones
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  Speaker 2: and skull selling group.
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  Speaker 1: We are talking about a dedicated digital marketplace for slinging
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  Speaker 1: human remains.
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  Speaker 2: And this isn't happening on the dark web using encrypted
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  Speaker 2: browsers either.
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  Speaker 1: It's not.
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  Speaker 2: No, this is often happening in plain sight on mainstream
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  Speaker 2: social media platforms.
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  Speaker 1: You're kidding.
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  Speaker 2: I'm serious. They just utilize private groups and very specific
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  Speaker 2: terminology to bypass the community guideline filters.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. And they found chat logs and messages that are
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  Speaker 1: just chilling to read. I mean, in one exchange, a
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  Speaker 1: buyer explicitly thanks Gerlach for mailing what they referred to
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  Speaker 1: as a possible team.
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  Speaker 2: A possible team. Let that phrasing sink in.
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  Speaker 1: It is horrific. And the buyer also thanked him for
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  Speaker 1: sending a baboon and a monkey.
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  Speaker 2: The semantic detachment in those messages is critical to understanding
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  Speaker 2: how this market operates.
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  Speaker 1: It is like an everyday e-commerce transaction. It feels like
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  Speaker 1: someone leaving a glowing Yelp review because a seller shipped
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: a vintage jacket quickly.
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  Speaker 2: It's exactly like that.
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  Speaker 1: But they are talking about a teenager's skeletal remains. How
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  Speaker 1: does a community normalize this to the point where they're
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  Speaker 1: leaving customer service reviews for grave robbing?
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  Speaker 2: It is a perfect storm of Internet echo chambers and
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  Speaker 2: niche commodification.
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  Speaker 1: Because they just hype each other up.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. The Internet has this incredible capability. to aggregate people
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  Speaker 2: with incredibly obscure interests. And usually that's a good thing.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Finding a community.
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  Speaker 2: But when it comes to the oddities or the bone
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  Speaker 2: trade market, it creates a closed loop where abhorrent behavior
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  Speaker 2: is validated because everyone in the group is treating human
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  Speaker 2: remains as inventory. The moral weight of the object just disappears.
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  Speaker 1: It's just a product to them.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: Mary Pritchard Stagelman ceases to be a person with a
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: history of She becomes a SKU number.
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: A product to be boxed up and shipped.
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: Wrapped in bubble wrap, taken to the post office, and
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: tracked via a shipping number.
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: And what do we make of the baboon and monkey detail?
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: That stopped me in my tracks when I read the documents.
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's a fascinating detail.
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: Because where is a guy running cemetery heists in Pennsylvania
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: sourcing primate remains? Does that mean he was also breaking
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: into university anatomical collections or, like, zoos?
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: Well, it introduces two equally disturbing possibilities.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: Okay, what's the first?
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: The first is that he was part of a much
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: larger international theft ring dealing in exotic animal remains, which
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: would suggest a highly sophisticated black market network.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: Right, which makes him look like an absolute kingpin. But
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: consider the flip side of that. What if he is
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: just lying?
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: And that is the second, and perhaps much more likely, possibility.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: Just a scammer.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah. The black market for oddities is completely unregulated, which
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: means it is ripe for grift. It is highly probable
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: that he was sourcing animal bones from local woods or
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: even butchering scraps and falsely labeling them as exotic primates.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: Just to inflate his prices.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: To inflate prices and to boost his reputation within the group.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, the buyers have no way to authenticate what
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: they are receiving.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: It is a morbid con game, but the detail that
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: really proves how comfortable he was in this ecosystem, how
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: untouchable he felt, is the photo he posted.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, the selfie.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: Investigators found a picture of Gerlach posing with a human skull.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: And the caption he wrote, for the entire internet to see,
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: was writing a Harley and slinging skulls.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: He essentially handed law enforcement his own digital confession just
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: wrapped in a bow.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: I am bewildered by the arrogance of that caption. Taking
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: a selfie with evidence of a major felony. Is online
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: validation that clout driving this crime just as much as
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: the actual money changing hands?
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely. It is highly performative. In these digital subcultures,
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: status is currency.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: Right. It's about being the cool guy in the group.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: Exactly. He wasn't just a guy making a few bucks
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: on the side. He was building a personal brand as
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: this prolific, untouchable procurer of the macabre.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: A personal brand built on grave robbing.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah. The perceived anonymity of the Internet tricked him into
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: thinking his digital life was totally disconnected from his physical crimes.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: He wanted the applause of his peers more. More than
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: he wanted to stay out of prison.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: Well, the digital applause led directly to the physical handcuffs.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: It sure did.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Let's walk through the climax of this investigation because the
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: visual of his arrest is something I really can't shake.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: So on December 23rd, police finally spot Gerlach's vehicle parked
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: outside Mount Moriah. Right.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: They find his car.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: But they don't swoop in and grab him immediately. They
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: sit back. They initiate surveillance.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: And that is a crucial tactical decision by law enforcement.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: Because he hasn't done anything yet.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Simply being parked near a cemetery is not a crime.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: To build an ironclad case, they needed to catch him
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: in the physical act of transport.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: Ah, so they can connect him directly to the stolen material.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: Yes. Definitively connect him.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: So they wait through the holidays. And on January 6th,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: the trap springs. Surveillance units watch Gerlach return to Mount Moriah.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: And this is the image. I mean, picture this. A
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: 34-year-old man is walking out of a sprawling 19th century
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: cemetery in the year 2026. And he is carrying a
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: crowbar and a literal burlap bag.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: It is an archaic, almost cartoonish image.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: It really is.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: It evokes the Birkin hair body snatching cases of the 1820s.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: It feels completely out of time. But when officers move
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: in and execute the arrest, the reality hits fast. They
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: can visibly see bones and skulls sitting right there in
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: his vehicle.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Plain view.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Plain view. And right there on the scene, he allegedly
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: waives his rights and admits to stealing approximately 30 sets
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: of human remains from Mal Mariah alone.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: He just tells them.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: He even details for the officers exactly how he was
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: breaching the underground sites.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: You know, a spontaneous, overwhelming confession like that is actually
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: quite common. Really?
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: Because when a perpetrator who believes they are this untouchable
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: mastermind is suddenly and undeniably caught red-handed, the illusion shatters instantly.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Oh, the ego just paused.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Exactly. The fantasy is over.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: But the 30 sets of remains he admitted to taking
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: were just a fraction of the reality.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: A tiny fraction.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: The next day, January 7th, investigators execute search warrants at
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: his primary residence in Lancaster County and at a secondary
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: storage unit he was renting.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: And what they find is it's beyond belief.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Beyond staggering. Right. In his residential basement, they find over
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: 100 human skulls, massive quantities of long bones, and mummified
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: human hands and feet.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: A hundred skulls in a suburban basement.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: And the storage unit is worse. Inside that unit, they
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: recover eight full corpses.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: Eight intact bodies.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Eight intact bodies, along with more fragmented remains, cremated ashes,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: and antique jewelry and clothing that had been stripped from
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: the dead.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: The sheer scale of that horde. elicits this from a
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: series of opportunistic burglaries into a profound logistical and psychological nightmare.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: OK, wait, hold on. You are saying he had eight
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: full corpses in a standard rented storage unit.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: That's what the reports say.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: I need to stop you there because the logistics of
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: that are baffling to me. I don't care how secure
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: a roll up metal door is.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Right. It's not airtight.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: How does a person accumulate eight corpses in a public
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: storage facility without the manager or like the person renting
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: the unit next door? Reporting a massive biohazard situation.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: It is a completely valid question, and it really comes
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: down to the forensic science of decomposition versus mummification.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, explain that.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Well, if these were fresh remains, the biological gases and
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: the odor of putrefaction would be overwhelming.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: It would smell terrible immediately.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Within days, it would be detectable. But we have
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: to remember where he was sourcing these from.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: 19th and early 20th century underground crypts.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Exactly. When a body is placed in an above-ground mausoleum
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: or a sealed underground masonry vault, it is isolated from
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: the soil. Right. And importantly, it's isolated from the insects
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: and scavengers that accelerate decomposition.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Ah, so it's a protected environment.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Yes. And over the course of 80 to 150 years,
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: in a dry, sealed environment, the bodily tissues undergo a
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: process of extreme desiccation.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: They just dry out.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: Entirely. The moisture evaporates. The skin turns into a hardened,
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: leathery substance. They become naturally mummified.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: So they are essentially biologically inert by the time he
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: pulls them out.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: For the most part, yes. I mean, they are incredibly fragile,
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: but they are dry. They don't produce the active odors
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: or fluids associated with the recent death.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: And that is how he was able to physically stack
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: and store them in a standard commercial storage unit. without
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: immediately alerting the entire facility.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: That makes sense scientifically, but it's still horrifying. But the
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: fact that he was keeping them, that points to something
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: fundamentally different than just a black market business, doesn't it?
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Because if he admitted to taking 30 from Mount Moriah,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: but had over 100 skulls and eight bodies in his possession,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: this operation spanned far beyond what the police initially knew.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: It points directly to a severe hoarding compulsion.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Hoarding, not just selling.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Right. If his primary motivation was purely financial, if he
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: was just a cold, calculating businessman selling oddities online, he
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: would operate with a lean inventory.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Because holding on to evidence is risky.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Exactly. He would steal a skull, ship it immediately, and
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: collect the cash to minimize his legal exposure.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: You don't sit on a hundred pieces of felony evidence
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: if you are just in it for the money.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: No, you don't. The fact that he was living with
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: these remains... that he had a partially decomposed body hanging
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: in his basement surrounded by dozens of skulls, it suggests
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: a very dark, obsessive compulsion.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: He wanted to be surrounded by it.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: He wanted to be surrounded by death. The selling, the
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: slinging skulls online, that might have funded his lifestyle or
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: provided that social validation we talked about. But the hoarding
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: indicates that possessing the dead was the primary psychological driver.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: And the legal system is throwing the absolute book at
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: him for it. I mean, he is facing over 500
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: criminal charges.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Which is an astronomical number of charges. It is.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: When you look at the sheer volume of counts, how
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: does a prosecutor even categorize this legally? What is the
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: actual legal framework for stealing a 100-year-old bone?
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: It is a fascinating cross-section of criminal law. I mean,
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: you can't charge him with murder.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Because he didn't kill them. Right. But you were looking
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: at an avalanche of charges spanning several categories. First, you
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: have institutional vandalism. and criminal mischief for the immense physical
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: destruction of the mausoleums.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Or smashing the marble.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Then you have theft by unlawful taking. Okay, wait.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Is a human body legally considered property that can be stolen?
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Well, in many jurisdictions, human remains possess a quasi-property status,
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: usually vested in the next of kin for the purpose
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: of burial.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: But when you steal the coffin hardware, the antique jewelry,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: and the clothing, that is definitively theft of property.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: Unquestionable.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: However... The bulk of those 500 charges likely stem from
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: a specific statute, which is abuse of a corpse.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Which carries a severe penalty, I imagine.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: It does. Abuse of a corpse laws are designed specifically
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: to address the desecration, disinterment, or indignity shown to human remains,
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: regardless of how long the person has been dead.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: So the age doesn't matter?
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: No. The law doesn't put an expiration date on human dignity.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Treating a human body as a trophy or retail inventory
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: fits the exact definition of that statute, and they will
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: likely charge him for every individual piece of remains they
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: can separate and identify.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Which brings us to the most agonizing part of this
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: whole deep dive.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the families.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: We have talked about the forensics, the digital markets, the
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: legal theories... But the human cost, the emotional toll on
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: the descendants is just profound.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: It really is heartbreaking.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: This is a tangled web of grief and bureaucratic nightmare
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: for families who thought this chapter of their history was
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: permanently closed.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: And the quotes from the family members in the news
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: reports are incredibly moving. Barbara Kilmartin, who has family interred
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: at Mount Moriah, she told reporters, it's the last thing
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: we can do for people is to honor their witches
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: and to not disturb them.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: And Christy Cole, whose great-grandparents are buried there, She summed
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: it up perfectly. She said, nobody should be treated this
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: way after life.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: It is a profound violation of trust.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: It really is.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: It goes back to that social contract we discussed earlier.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: When we lay someone to rest, society makes a collective
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: promise to protect their memory and their physical remains.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: And Gerlach didn't just break marble.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: No, he violently severed that foundational societal promise.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: And you can see the emotional weight of that reality
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: pressing down on the investigators themselves. I mean, Yadin Police
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Chief Henry Giammarcos is a veteran with a 30-year career
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: in law enforcement. Right.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: He's seen a lot.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: You have to assume he has seen the absolute worst
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: of humanity over 30 years. But he publicly called this
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: case one of the most horrific things he has ever encountered.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: That says a lot.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: It does. And the specific detail that broke through his
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: professional detachment was the discovery that an infant's remains had
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: been stolen.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. He noted that as a father and a grandfather...
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: it truly tears your heart up. It is a very
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: powerful reminder.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: It really is. Because it cuts right through the clinical
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: language we use to buffer ourselves. We talk about skeletal
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: fragments and artifacts.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: That is clinical terms.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: But that was a baby. A child who was mourned,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: probably intensely, by a family over a century ago, only
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: to have their vault ripped open so someone could get
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: likes on a Facebook group.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: It forces absolute empathy.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: It really does.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: But from an investigative standpoint... Chief Giamarco and his department
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: are now facing an almost insurmountable logistical challenge.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Identifying everyone.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Exactly. How do you return these people to their rightful
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: resting places?
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: This is the part that blows my mind. Because we
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: talked earlier about the cutting-edge forensic DNA processing that pulled
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: a profile off a freezing monster energy can.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: Right. Modern science.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: That is 21st century science working at lightning speed. But now,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: to identify the 100-plus victims sitting in an evidence locker,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: the police are forced to use the exact opposite methodology.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: They are thrown back into analog 19th century archiving.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Yes. Chief Gianmarco explained that because these burials are so old,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: DNA cross-referencing is almost impossible without exhuming living relatives.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: Which is a logistical non-starter. You can't just dig up
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: living families' ancestors across the state. No.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: So detectives are literally sitting in rooms... Carefully turning the fragile,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: water-damaged pages of 1800s burial ledgers.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Just try to picture the reality of that police work
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: for a second. You have detectives trying to decipher faded, loofing,
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: 19th century cursive handwriting.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: Just trying to read who bought the plot.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, trying to map out exactly who purchased which vault
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: in like 1885. Yeah. Then they have to take that
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: historical map, go down to the crypt, document which specific
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: boxes were breached, and then cross-reference that With the physical
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: inventory of commingled, fragmented remains they pulled from a Lancaster
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: County storage unit.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: It's a puzzle with half the pieces missing. You would
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: have to involve forensic anthropologists just to determine the age
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: and sex of the skulls to see if they match
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: the handwritten ledgers.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: It is painstaking, deeply frustrating work. It is going to
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: take months, maybe years. And there is a very grim
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: reality that some of those hundred people in his basement
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: will simply never get their names back.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: And that tragic reality highlights exactly why the prosecution of
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: this case is so vital. Chief Gianmarco said something in
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: his press conference that serves as the moral thesis of
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: this entire investigation.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: What was that?
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: Speaking about the remains, he said, they're so old, but still,
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: when they lived, they had a life they mattered. Wow.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: That is the core of it, isn't it? We don't
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: aggressively prosecute 500 charges of corpse abuse just to punish
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: a thief for stealing property.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: No, we don't.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: We prosecute it to reaffirm to ourselves that human dignity
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: has intrinsic, permanent value.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: Your humanity does not expire just because your relatives are
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: gone and your name is written in faded ink. We
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: enforce these laws to prove that our history and the
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: people who built it still command respect.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: It has been a truly staggering arc that we have
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: unpacked today. We started with the meticulous back-breaking destruction of
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: the serene Mount Moriah Cemetery.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: We examined the contradictory hubris of a criminal rappelling into
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: crypts only to leave his DNA on an energy drink.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: We waded into the chilling reality of an online subculture
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: where human beings are bartered like vintage clothing to fuel
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: digital clout.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: And we looked at the horrifying scale of a horde
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: hidden away in a storage unit leaving the Yadinboro police
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: with the monumental task of parsing 1800s ledgers to restore
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: names to the dead.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: By the way, if you have loved ones interred in
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: a mausoleum or underground vault at Mount Moriah, authorities are
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: urgently requesting that you contact Yadin police chief Henry Giamarco.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Because bringing the mechanics of this dark market into the
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: light is the very first step toward restitution for those families.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: It is. And as we wrap up this deep dive,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: I want to leave you with a final thought to
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: mull over, something that pushes everything we've discussed today just
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: a little bit further. We have focused intensely on the
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: physical violation of these graves. But consider the concept of
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: digital permanence when it comes.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: To the dead. It is a profound shift in how
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: our society views mortality.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Exactly. For centuries, a burial was designed to be the
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: final physical conclusion of a life. The book was closed,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: the stone was set, and the story was over.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: The end of the road.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: But in an era where a 19th century grave can
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: be violently breached simply to generate content for a 21st
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: century social media feed, where a skull is used as
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: a prop for a Harley Davidson selfie or bartered in
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  Speaker 1: an anonymous chat room, we are forced to ask ourselves
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  Speaker 1: a very hard question.
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  Speaker 2: Have we entered an age where nothing is truly sacred?
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  Speaker 1: Are even our ancestors, people who lived, loved, and died
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  Speaker 1: before the concept of the internet even existed- destined to
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  Speaker 1: become just another piece of content waiting to be uploaded
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  Speaker 1: to the feed. It really makes you wonder if that serene,
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  Speaker 1: still cemetery we picture in our minds is just a
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  Speaker 1: relic of the past, shattered by the noise and the
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  Speaker 1: narcissism of the modern world. Thank you so much for
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  Speaker 1: joining us on this exploration. We appreciate you being here
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  Speaker 1: to unpack it all with us.