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Terry Bowden Show: Answering subscriber questions on offense, Barry Sanders and more · The Auburn Undercover Podcast

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Welcome back again everybody and it is
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time for our weekly uh Q&A with Cook
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Bout. Uh and this is from Shay Tiger.
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>> Yeah.
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>> How valuable or important is it to have
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differentiz running backs in the ro in
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the rotation? For example, James Bostic
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versus Electron Williams. I remember a
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guy named Markeith Cooper too. Yeah,
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Marquee Cooper, you know, and I would
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think probably that was that phase uh
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because everybody was going through it.
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My dad had uh who's the great running
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back he had for New Orleans that was
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such a great
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>> War Dunn. you know, he had just gone
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through War Dunn who was a lot, you
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know, 5'9, 175 pounds and and he was
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winning national championships and was
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going to a lot of that spread offense
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and and we had Marath Cooper who was
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about 155 pounds, but it it really you
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are limited when you have someone that
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small. I think he fits that style to
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some extent, but you better have some
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power. you know, you better have a Fred
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Beasley type back there or someone's got
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a little bit of more strength at those
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times. But, but I think it's a good it's
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a great question. I mean, would you
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rather have a big back or or Electron
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Williams who was more of an elusive
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back? And I and my and my my thoughts
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are just one have one that fits your
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style. If you're a power team that runs
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from an eye formation, even if you don't
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have a fullback, uh, and you're running
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between the tackles or or you know,
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those type of plays, you better be able
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to run through linebackers and bounce
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off of of linemen, uh, and, uh, and take
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the punishment. Whereas, if you're
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throwing players out to them out of the
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backfield and you're getting them AC on
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the on the boundary or on the edge, uh,
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and you and you and you got a guy that
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can make people miss, uh, and that fits
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your offensive style, that's good. Um,
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but it but but I think the old saying
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was, I'm not exactly sure what a great
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running back looks like, but when I see
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one, I know what it but when I but I
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know what it looks like when I see it,
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you know, and I think when you got one,
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they come in all different shapes and
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sizes. Great back is a great back. You
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don't have to. All you got to do is look
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at history. Now, given if I'm in the SEC
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and I want to be able to go out there
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and play power football or strong
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physical football, you'd like to have
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some studs in that backfield, you know,
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some guys. And unfortunately, Alabama's
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had probably more bigger backs lately,
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you know, the ones they've had that have
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won the Heis. But, uh uh but I think
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that's what uh what we had my first few
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years at Auburn. Uh, and the guys that I
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I think right now as I look and see what
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happened, you'd like one like that. But
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look at the NFL, the history cuz the
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greatest backs in the world that they're
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going to end up being great in the NFL.
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And when I look at the NFL, in my mind,
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the greatest back I ever saw play in the
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NFL was was Barry Sanders. Now, we I'm
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not going back to Jim Brown and Gail
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Sers and some names that go way back. We
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have a hard time comparing times in
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different eras, but but but to me, um
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Barry Sanders, who came out of Oklahoma
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State, was the most uh incredible NFL
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running back I ever saw. And you could
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probably put Walter Payeyton in that
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category, that type of back. Not very
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big, but incredibly elusive. And they
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could they would fake you out of your
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jock that you could you would you would
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miss them completely trying to make a
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tackle. uh and uh and many people have
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said that uh and he only played about 10
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years and he retired if you remember
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whereas Walter Peyton made a heck of a
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career out of that with the Bears. Uh
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but that was one type of great back and
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I guarantee I don't care where I met in
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college if I got him I'm going to be
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okay. But then you look at uh the
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all-time greatest rusher in NFL, Emtt
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Smith. Emtt Smith played at Florida.
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Many of y'all may remember if you go
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back to the 90s you may remember Emtt
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Smith. But Emtt Smith was not a great
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speed back. Now he was about 225 230. He
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was he was bigger, but he wasn't a he
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wasn't a huge Earl Campbell. He was but
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he was big. He was 225
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uh and physical and he wasn't real fast.
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They say he never broke a 46. He was a
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power he was a runner that in his pads
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though he could outrun everybody. No
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matter where it was, he could outrun
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you. Uh, but he ran for 18,355
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yards in the pros. He rushed for that's
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10.4 miles. He rushed in the pros and
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he's the all-time leading rusher and he
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was a different style of running back
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and and and they won a champ. I thought
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I want to say they didn't win the
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national championship when he was at
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Florida, but they were pretty dang good.
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You know, they were hard to beat with
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Emtt Smith. He was as good. Uh, but you
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know what? I always say this about Emtt
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Smith. You know, he averaged 4.2 2 yards
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a carry. Uh which means for 10.4 miles
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he got knocked down every every 4.2
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yards. And the thing that he did, he got
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back up. He got back up. And so maybe
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the the one of the biggest things you
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got to have a running back that gets
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back up. It gets knocked down and gets
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back up and keep on playing. But I'll
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say this, I don't think you can put a
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label on a style of back and say this is
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the kind you want. A great one. And they
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come in different shapes and sizes. Uh,
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and they're a little different. But, uh,
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but, um, whether you got one that's a a
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Barry Sanders type, Walter Payton type,
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or a Emit Smith type, um, there there
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you you got to have a good one. And I
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think that's important. What would I
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rather have? I'd rather have a little
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bigger back about 225 in the SEC because
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I want to punish people. I I I want I
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want to be able to punish people and
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take a punishment. And so uh I think
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that and I loved you remember he
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mentioned James Bostik who followed
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Steve Davis followed him and had some
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big backs had some smaller backs after
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that. Uh um uh and we won I mean 97 who
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do we have we had R Larry uh
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>> Ricky Williams
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>> Ricky Williams was not huge but he was
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19 he's probably 200 195 205 but he was
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he um we won 10 games with him and
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almost won the SEC championship with
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him. Uh um and so they do, but you
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you'll know when you got one. You know
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when you got a great running back and uh
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uh and I think you got to and you got to
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have one. Uh and probably and it
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wouldn't hurt if you got one that's
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really big to have one that's a little
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more elusive. So that when you when you
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rotate from one to the other, the
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defense gets a different look. They
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can't just sit in their feet and take on
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a guy that's going to run over them.
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They've got to be ready to step and make
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a tackle and somebody's gonna try to
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make them miss, you know. And uh so
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anyway,
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>> when one of them gets in trouble, who do
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who do you decide who's gonna play and
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who doesn't? I remember a kid we had at
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Florida. I won't call any names, but he
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gets in trouble on on Monday and we we
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take the stuff out of his locker and he
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played on Saturday.
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>> Well, you know, I think I think they
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asked that question later on, and we'll
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get to some of that. How do you
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discipline certain players and not
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discipline other players? Uh just
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remember you're not just hurting that
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player, you're affecting every player on
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the team when you make a decision not to
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play somebody. Uh and there are a lot of
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different ways to discipline. Well,
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let's go on down the questions. But
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anyway, uh I'll be anxious as spring
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ball started at at Auburn uh yesterday.
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Uh today's Tuesday. It started
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yesterday, I believe Monday. And uh and
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we'll kind of see how that develops. I'm
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looking forward to getting down there
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this week and maybe getting by watch a
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little bit of football practice.
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>> Yeah, it should be fun. This is from
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realist. How difficult is it to keep
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innovating as a coach? Defenses are adop
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are adapting. Uh how do you stay ahead
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of the curve without losing your
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identity?
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>> That another great question. That's a
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great question because I think anytime
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if you've coached for a long period of
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time and I was fortunate enough to be a
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head coach in five different decades. Uh
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my dad was in seven different decades.
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That's it's a little bit unusual to go
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that far, you know, if you get 10 years
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as a coach. And I will say this, you
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need to you need to know when to change.
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You know when you know you got to know
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when not to waffle and when to change
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and adapt. By waffling, I mean you have
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a bad game and all the people in the
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crowd say, "You don't run it well
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enough. You don't do this well enough.
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You don't do that well enough." Well,
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you better believe in what you're doing.
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Uh and and stick with it to get it done,
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but also recognize when it's time to
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change a style, when it's change to
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change and adapt. And my my rule of
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thumb is that if you're in this business
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uh 10 years or more, you better be
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willing to be on the front end of a
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curve and not a back end of a curve
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because at some point the coaches that
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make it over a long period of time can
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adjust, change and adapt what they do. A
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lot of coaches make their living with
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one style and that style hangs on but
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towards the end everybody can figure it
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out you know and it gets stoppable you
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know it gets stoppable and uh but but
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that that style carries them so far they
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can they there's nothing else. So many
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people went into the wishbone with that
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thought. You know, they never got they
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never figured there was other styles or
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they got to four wide out offense where
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it was no huddle, fast break, four wide
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out. And that's kind of and that varied.
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And so you got to be on the front end or
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the back end of a curve. And I don't
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want to belabor this and I hate to use
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Alabama example, but I'm going to give
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you a great example of coaches knowing
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when to change. In the 60s, uh Alabama
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had the winningest team in the in the
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nation. They won what two or three
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national championships in 60s they won
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more games than anybody. But in 69 and
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70 they went I think six and five and 55
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and one. And they had been through some
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NFL style quarterbacks going back from
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Bart Star to Joe Nameoth to a guy named
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Scott Hunter who was their quarterback
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out of Mobile. Uh and they were a pro
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set type of offense. Uh but it began to
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get stale. And so in ' 68 and 69 or ' 67
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68, Texas won two national championships
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running the Wishbone. They they they had
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a guy named Emory Bolard out of high
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school that put the Wishbone offense in
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at Texas and they went out and stomped
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everybody. Won two national
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championships uh and they became the
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talk of the country. Everybody was doing
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want to do what Texas was doing.
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Bear Bryant, he he uh invited the Texas
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staff to Tuscaloosa in the summer to
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their coaching clinic and quietly met
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with their staff and in se in in August
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before the season, they changed from the
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pro style offense to a wishbone and
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never told a soul, never told anybody.
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Uh and they wouldn't let the press watch
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practice, wouldn't let the players talk,
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and nobody knew what they were going to
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do. and they changed to the Witchman,
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the triple option. Uh had a Major Ogleby
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was a running back they had and I forget
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who the quarterback was, but they never
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told a soul and they won. They they
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opened up with Southern Cal who had
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killed them the year before 34-3 or
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something and they beat Southern Cal to
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open up the season and go undefeated and
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then they run the wishbone for the
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entire 70s and they became the
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winningest team of the 1970s. And all
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I'm saying is you better know when to
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change and adapt. He knew when it was
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time. Here they were the winningest team
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in the 60s and the head coach knew it
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was time to change and they became the
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winningest team in the 70s. Uh, of
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course Alabama Auburn had to fight
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through all that with them, you know.
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Um, um, of course that was Suge Jordan
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era and then Barfield era that came
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through with all that. Then my dad in
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1993, uh, and I'll use him as an
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example, 87 to 2001,
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14 straight years, he ended up in the
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top four. Won 10 or more games every
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year. uh went from Deion Sanders and all
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that crew all the way to to uh uh uh uh
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Peter War and that crowd, all that, you
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know, won championships and not but
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right in the middle of that of that
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14-year run when they were winning 10 or
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more games and finishing up the top four
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in two in 1993.
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He decides he wants to go no huddle fast
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break offense. So he gets Charlie Ward,
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I got him Charlie Ward, puts him in a
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shotgun, gets rid of his big back. He
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gets a little old Peter uh work done,
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little old running back that can run
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east and west and catch the ball and all
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that stuff like Barry Sanders. And he
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changes everything he was doing. And in
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93, he went out and won the national
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championship, although we we claimed
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that one too, but he went out there in
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93 with a completely different offense.
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won the the national championship in 93,
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had the winningest team in the 90s, and
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won the the national championship again
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in 99 when people began to catch up with
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it again. Uh, and so the point I'm
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trying to make is don't waffle when
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you're doing something about four games
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into the season. You know, you'll always
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see these high school coaches or
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something, they'll they'll see something
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on TV and all of a sudden they'll change
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everything they're doing right in the
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middle of the city. You're not going to
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be successful probably doing that. But
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at some point in time, you got to know
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when to change and adapt. Especially if
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you're in the same conference because
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those defensive coordinators don't get
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paid to lose, they get paid to win. And
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they're going to spend that. You think
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all those teams in the Big 10, do you
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think all those defensive coordinators
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are going to be working on Illinois in
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the offseason or Northwestern? They're
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going to be working on Indiana. Every
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team in the Big 10 knows if we don't
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beat him, we ain't going to play for the
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championship. We we we got to find a
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way. And so that you have to learn to
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keep on changing and adapting. And I
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think I mentioned this with when we had
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the interview with Urban Meyer. The
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thing that's impressive about Kurt
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Signetti, he's not doing it with
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mirrors. He's not doing it with five and
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four star. He does have a lot of age and
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maturity on his football team, but
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they're coaching the kids up very, very
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well. They're doing a great job of
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coaching. Uh, and whatever style you
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run, you've got to be fundamentally
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sound. Block and tackle and and coach
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the fundamentals. And unfortunately, a
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lot of these coaches nowadays were
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raised on fast break football. No, in
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practice, don't don't repeat a play.
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just go fast fast fast fast fast fast
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fast fast fast fast fast fast fast fast fast and you don't get a chance to
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correct things and to be perfect in
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things that you do and I think some
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sometimes we got to make sure we go back
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and and be fundamentally sound and how
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we carry the football how we wrap up
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with the tackle how we double team block
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all those little things that take
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slowing practice down a little bit to
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make sure you can coach those things a
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little bit better uh in that but anyway
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know when to change and adapt and yep
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and now you got a new coach at Auburn
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he's got his own style I think he's even
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though he's probably run his own style
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of his offense. He's in a new
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conference. He's got a whole bunch of
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new people. They don't know if he's
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going to run everything like he used to.
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I think he's got a wide open year
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offensively. Uh Durkin's got to be
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careful. He's he's he's very successful,
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but he also has to know they're working.
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He had a very good defense last year, so
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he's got to be good just like you were.
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Uh, and sometimes when you don't win a
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lot of games, they don't focus on you
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quite as much, you know. But just be be
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sure you're not getting into habits
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because the one thing with all the
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analytics and all the computer stuff
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people have days, back when I was
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coaching to begin with, we had 16
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millimeter video. We breaking films down
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and self scouting wasn't as easy back
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then. Nowadays, they can break down
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everything you do, every play, every
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tendency you have. So, you got to you
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got to know your tendencies. Uh it's a
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whole new discussion that we're not
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having right now. But I promise you
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people say uh self scout is important is
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anything you do. Self- scouting your
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team is is as important as anything you
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do. You've got to know what you do in
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every situation. You've got to know what
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you do because if you do, you know the
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other team's going to know what you do.
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If you have tendencies, I always run off
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the right tackle in short yardage
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situations. I always throw the ball to
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the right because my quarterback doesn't
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throw across his body very well to the
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left. There are certain things you've
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got to be careful that you don't have
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tendencies that you don't know. Now,
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I'll throw this out at you and I told
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coaches at Clemson when I was analyst up
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there, it's good to have tendencies
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because if you don't have any
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tendencies, you're not very good at
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anything. If you're really good at
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something, you're going to run it no
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matter what the defense knows. And then
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the key is is to know your own
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tendencies. So in a critical moment, you
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go against your tendency. At a most
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critical moment in the game, they know
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exactly what you've always done. That's
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the time that you do something
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different. But not but you know, if
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you've got a great tackle, you're going
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to run behind him. You know, you if you
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got a great if your if your quarterback
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rolls out to the right more
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successfully, you're not going to take a
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chance and roll to the left when he's
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not as gifted that way. Some
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quarterbacks, even if they're
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right-handed, throw better rolling to
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the left because it makes them come
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across their body more. Anyway, a lot of
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that big talk, but again, know when to
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change and adapt and don't be afraid.
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It'd be if you're a business person out
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there, it it'd be like being afraid of
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AI. You better be ready for AI because
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it's it's going to own you or you're
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going to own it. Uh whether it's a
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podcast or anything, that's like
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football. You better be on the front end
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of a curve. Uh and uh and there's
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nothing new about fast break offense. Uh
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there's nothing new about spread
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offense. Uh but you better know how to
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execute it and and uh um and uh and be
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good at what you do. All right, that's a
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good good question. A very good
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question.
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>> And the next one is from Stratcat 74.
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Please ask him what he would have done.
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This is in, for those who don't know,
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this is in reference to Aiden Holloway,
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an Alabama basketball player who was
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caught with some weed this week. Please
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ask him what he would have done if one
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of his players was arrested for
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possessing greater than a pound of
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marijuana the weekend before a big game.
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>> Well, I'm gonna have to show my age here
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a little bit because I I I I'm old
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school. I I to me that sounds like a lot
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of pot.
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>> A pound of marijuana.
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>> It's a lot.
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>> That used to be a lot. I'm thinking
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it's, you know, there's so many states
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where it's not legal, but it's not
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illegal. You know, it's like now if
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you're selling it, that's illegal. Uh,
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and if you got that much, even if you're
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using it, you're probably using it too
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much. I I I just I'm, you know, nowadays
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I it's almost like what state am I in?
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Is what is this state is pot legal or is
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it illegal? You know, uh and uh um and
18:32
those kind of things. But so he asked a
18:34
question that was kind of answered
18:36
itself. the the crime was so big there's
18:39
almost nothing you can do but punish or
18:41
the or the law enforcement's not gonna
18:44
give you a choice to me if he got a
18:45
pound a pot.
18:47
So is there an answer to that one
18:49
already? Did he get did he get to play
18:50
in the game?
18:52
>> No. No. I think he's got you know this
18:55
actually, you know, it reminds me and
18:57
you could talk a little bit about this a
18:58
little bit something similar happened to
18:59
us at Auburn with Robert Baker and not
19:01
>> Oh, I was going to say that I wrote down
19:02
that in my notes. That's Robert Baker's
19:04
story now. Um, so, so, so again, let's
19:07
let's take that question. I think it's a
19:09
good question. When a kid does something
19:11
wrong, when he makes a mistake and you
19:13
catch him or somebody catches him, uh,
19:16
how do you do do you do you suspend them
19:18
or do you not suspend them? And then you
19:21
have to throw this this into the
19:22
equation if the police catch them or if
19:25
somebody else is aware of it. Now,
19:27
everybody's going to know what your
19:29
punishment is. You know, if it's public,
19:31
if a kid gets in trouble and it's
19:33
private, you may punish him in your own
19:35
private way. He may run till he drops.
19:37
He may you may run him every morning for
19:39
a week, but play him in the game. Um, if
19:43
you felt like it would hurt your it
19:44
would hurt the team by not playing him
19:47
or it was some, you know, if you think
19:49
you've got you can teach him a lesson or
19:51
you can get to him, uh, you're going to
19:53
punish him the way you think is fair. I
19:56
don't and I don't think you can be you
19:58
can be rigid. I think you've got to be a
20:00
little bit flexible in the way you uh
20:02
one situation is not always the same as
20:05
another. And I some people are less less
20:08
um they don't believe quite like that.
20:10
They're going to treat everybody the
20:11
same. I don't think you quite treat
20:13
everybody the same because it's a
20:15
football team. But I I will say this um
20:18
when something is is is uh uh public,
20:22
you got to make sure you're doing the
20:24
right thing for your team. I I I always
20:27
use my father and and and um Tom Osborne
20:30
as examples. They coached for many many
20:32
years and by the 90s they were both in
20:35
their 60s and they had never won a
20:37
national championship. Uh but they had
20:40
coached forever and they were very
20:41
successful. But in the 90s they won five
20:44
national championships between them,
20:45
Nebraska and Florida State. And they
20:48
were thought of as guys that were too
20:50
lenient. A guy would get in trouble and
20:52
they would they would say, "You know
20:53
what? If I kick him, and I can I can
20:55
tell you what my dad would say. And I'm
20:57
sure Tom Osborne, gosh, if I kick him
20:59
off, where's he? I mean, he has nothing
21:01
left in life. This kid's he's it's over
21:03
for him. His future is over. His life is
21:05
over. He's got nothing at home. I I
21:07
don't care what those people say. I'm
21:09
going to do what I think's right. I
21:10
don't care. I know the press the press
21:13
and most fans love it when you kick a
21:15
kid off. Oh, they've got great
21:17
discipline. Well, that kid's life may be
21:19
ruined. And so, and I think in my
21:22
father's older days when he was in his
21:24
60s or Tom Osborne, who was a very wise
21:28
uh wellrespected quality person and uh
21:32
um they were kind of known as guys that
21:34
would give guys a second chance. Uh and
21:37
and all I would say is they would do it
21:39
if they can. You know, you never know
21:41
what the situation is. You know, we had
21:43
a player, Robert Baker, a wide receiver,
21:45
and I and I say his name because it's
21:47
been pretty public. he got trouble and
21:48
it was with drugs. Uh, and I don't know
21:51
whether you know, you don't never know
21:53
the total truth and it's been a long
21:54
time. This is goes back things, but if
21:56
any of y'all have ever seen the video on
21:58
on podcast of the bulldog of Ugga biting
22:01
one of our receivers when he catches the
22:03
ball in the end zone, that was Robert
22:05
Baker. That was the one that got bitten
22:06
by Ugga. That's always that's still on.
22:08
If you go back to the uh internet,
22:11
you'll see it on the internet on
22:12
YouTube. Uh but he got in trouble and uh
22:16
we had to we had to dismiss him. Um and
22:20
and then that was my last year here. Uh
22:23
and he had to go to jail here in in in
22:25
Auburn, Opaikica. And I felt and I went
22:27
to see him about every week I went and
22:29
saw him
22:30
>> and and because he got caught up in a
22:33
terrible deal uh uh and uh was probably
22:37
transferring it in his car to and it was
22:40
it was more that it was like more than
22:42
just something you'd use or something
22:43
like that. I I don't remember the
22:45
details except it was serious enough
22:47
where he should never have got himself
22:49
involved with it. There was enough uh
22:51
mistake being made where you felt like
22:53
well you know he's not that kind of
22:54
terrible kid. Um, and so all I can say
22:57
is he didn't play anymore and he had to
22:59
go to jail and he got out eventually and
23:02
he and he and his life and he got some
23:03
chances in the NFL or or pro ball and he
23:06
got his life turned around. I've talked
23:08
to him several times since then. He was
23:10
from Gainesville and he turned his life
23:12
around and he and he came around and I
23:14
could think of some other names that I
23:16
won't mention that have had incredible
23:18
stories uh because most of most of the
23:20
fans knew all the details. Some of these
23:23
kids didn't did some things they wish
23:24
they didn't do just like I did when I
23:27
was in college or my children did and
23:29
they learned from it and then they made
23:31
mistakes and they overcame it. And
23:33
that's what a lot of these players do.
23:34
So, uh it's funny that this the question
23:38
that was asked by Stratcat 74 was an
23:42
easy answer because it was a whole bunch
23:44
of pot and it was against and the bad
23:46
guys were doing it. Uh um but I'm saying
23:49
is it's it's sometimes it's so big you
23:51
got to let the law take its course. Uh
23:54
and you know where you know where some
23:55
coaches get in trouble. remember the
23:58
coach Brows at uh Baylor where he tried
24:01
he tried to do the interviews and
24:02
investigations himself and you got to be
24:05
careful when something happens you got
24:07
to step back as a coach and you got to
24:09
let the law enforcement deal with it or
24:11
it's look or it'll look like you're
24:13
you're interfering with the law or
24:15
you're interfering with with the process
24:17
and you got to because in the old days
24:19
you know a small town college football
24:22
we took care of problems ourselves in
24:24
the old days that's kind of the way a
24:27
lot of it went, you know, and uh and and
24:29
I've coached a lot of different I'm not
24:31
talking about Auburn necessarily, just
24:32
I've coached at six different places.
24:34
Small town college football guy gets in
24:36
trouble. Uh the whole town wants him to
24:39
play on Friday night or Saturday night.
24:41
So, you try to take care of business,
24:43
you know. Um but you always got
24:46
>> about your dad, you know, bringing in a,
24:49
you know, player gets in trouble. What
24:50
what what we gonna do if we send him
24:52
back home and Nick Sabin had a story
24:54
about Ms. Muhammad played for him at uh
24:57
>> at Michigan State and the kid got in
24:58
trouble and he said look you know and
25:01
everybody wanted everybody in the press
25:02
wanted him kicked off and on and on. He
25:03
said look and he and the kid the kid
25:05
paid the price internally. He said but
25:07
yeah went on to the NFL had a great
25:09
career has a great life. He said if I
25:11
kick him off the team where is he and
25:13
what good did it do anybody? Yeah. And
25:15
what what that's right. What did you
25:17
accomplish? And what did you accomplish?
25:18
And again, but like I say, talk radio
25:21
what it is and and and and social media,
25:25
it's instant punishment. You say, "Get
25:27
them, get them, get them." And so you
25:28
you got to be careful. You got to be
25:30
strong willed. A young coach usually is
25:32
much more u uh stricter. They're they're
25:35
so afraid to upset people, they won't do
25:36
it. A little more maturity, and you
25:39
think twice before you do something. Uh,
25:41
and we'll close off on that one. But one
25:44
of the funniest stories, it's a true
25:45
story. My dad was coaching in the
25:47
national championship in the Orange
25:48
Bowl. And uh, he had a kicker named Stuh
25:53
Sebastian Janikowski. Sebastian
25:56
Janikowski was a field goal kicker. Uh,
25:58
he was the best in the country. In fact,
26:00
he was a number one draft pick. Not
26:02
number one, first round draft pick, a
26:04
kicker, first round draft pick by the
26:07
Oakland Raiders and played a long time
26:09
in the pros. Uh, and he was a soccer
26:12
style kicker from Poland who had uh,
26:15
immigrated here with his father uh, to
26:18
Jacksonville and played soccer player
26:20
that started playing football. But he
26:22
got but they're at the Orange Bowl and
26:24
he got caught breaking curfew being out
26:26
you know his his goal in life when he
26:28
moved from Poland to America was to be a
26:31
redneck and drive a pickup truck cuz he
26:33
loved that oh you know s you know
26:35
southern out southern Florida north
26:36
Florida south Georgia Alabama you know
26:39
he just wanted to be a good old boy he
26:41
wanted to be a good old boy and uh but
26:43
he got in trouble staying out past
26:45
curfew uh the night before the game and
26:49
so the press heard about it and so that
26:51
morning they have a press conference.
26:52
Game's not till the night. And uh and uh
26:56
my dad was trying to take care of it. It
26:58
wasn't too late, maybe, but they said,
27:00
"We we've we've heard that y'all caught
27:03
Stan Janikowski missing curfew last
27:05
night." I mean, is he going to play? I
27:08
mean, are you going to punish him? And
27:11
uh and my dad, you have to be about
27:13
60some years old to say this is he says,
27:15
"Oh, no. Don't you know um he's under a
27:18
different set of rules." He says he's
27:20
from Poland. He's under international
27:22
rules and we don't have to sit him if
27:25
he's under international rules.
27:28
And he actually said that in his best
27:30
comments and I probably got a few laughs
27:32
from it that but he he followed up.
27:34
We'll take care of it. We'll take care
27:36
of it. I'm not going to tell y'all what
27:38
we're going to do. But he started out
27:39
with the Polish the international law
27:42
applied to Stan Sebastian Janikowski. Uh
27:45
but I guess the the point is everybody's
27:47
going to be a little different and every
27:48
situation a little different. But uh
27:50
somewhere along the line you'll lose
27:52
your team if you don't if you let a lot
27:53
of things going you know and I'm a you
27:55
know my wife's son's on the staff at
27:57
Georgia and I talk about Georgia they
27:59
had a lot of uh kids with car you know
28:02
you know the last two or three years it
28:03
seems like everybody is a speeding
28:05
ticket or reckless driving. They've had
28:07
a lot and they know it. Uh, and I'm
28:10
thinking, you know what, they just have
28:12
they have to handle the best they can
28:14
and they and they are. I said, but I
28:16
don't they don't want it to happen. Um,
28:19
but they've got to deal with it and uh
28:21
as a team and and as a head coaches and
28:23
they've got to deal with the best they
28:24
can. U, but after a while, you have to
28:28
you got to be careful because it gives
28:29
you it it hurts the reputation of your
28:30
football team. But I know they've dealt
28:32
with that and uh and it seems to be they
28:34
it started out with a very bad accident,
28:36
I believe, a very serious accident.
28:38
somebody got killed and things like
28:39
that. But but uh but anyway, I think
28:41
everybody's got every coach has to be
28:43
true to his team, true to himself, and
28:45
to what he believes and do a best job he
28:47
can of uh of of trying to trying to uh
28:51
do what's best for the team and the team
28:53
first, player second. And I I think
28:55
that's probably it uh in that order. All
28:58
right, that sounds good. Any other
29:00
questions? We get them all.
29:01
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