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The Kelly-Hopkinsville ”Little Green Men” Encounter · River City Mystery - Investigating mysteries in southern Indiana, southern Illinois, and western Kentucky

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  Speaker: So everybody is scared.
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  Speaker: The kids are crying.
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  Speaker: The women don't you know June's about to lose it.
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  Speaker: And what are they to do?
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  Speaker: These things will not die.
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  Speaker: You're listening to River City
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  Speaker: Mystery Podcast, the show that
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  Speaker: delves into the Evansville and
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  Speaker: surrounding Tri-State area's
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  Speaker: mysteries, including unsolved
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  Speaker: crimes, murders and
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  Speaker: disappearances.
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  Speaker: A show that isn't afraid to jump
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  Speaker: down the rabbit hole to
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  Speaker: investigate reports of local
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  Speaker: hauntings, sightings of UFOs and
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  Speaker: cryptids, among other paranormal
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  Speaker: phenomena.
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  Speaker: With your host, co-founder of
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  Speaker: the Humans of Evansville
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  Speaker: Facebook page.
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  Speaker: Law office worker by day.
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  Speaker: Insomniac researcher of the unknown by night.
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  Speaker: Matt Deig.
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  Speaker: Welcome to episode 9.
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  Speaker: My guest today is someone who has a very unique perspective
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  Speaker: into one of the most bizarre cases involving a close
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  Speaker: encounter of the third kind that you'll ever hear.
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  Speaker: She's the daughter of Elmer
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  Speaker: Lucky Sutton, one of eleven
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  Speaker: people who claimed to have
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  Speaker: encountered mysterious beings on
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  Speaker: their farm in the summer of
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  Speaker: nineteen fifty five, in an event
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  Speaker: now famously known as the
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  Speaker: Hopkinsville Kelly Little Green
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  Speaker: Men encounter.
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  Speaker: And I've just been fascinated with this case ever since I was
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  Speaker: a little kid.
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  Speaker: And I'd like to welcome to the
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  Speaker: show Geraldine Sutton Stith,
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  Speaker: daughter of Lucky Sutton and
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  Speaker: author of several books on the
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  Speaker: case, including Alien Legacy,
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  Speaker: The Kelly Greenman and A Strange
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  Speaker: New World.
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  Speaker: Thank you for joining me, Geraldine.
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  Speaker: Thank you.
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  Speaker: Thank you, Matt, for having me, I appreciate it.
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  Speaker: I'm excited to talk to you.
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  Speaker: I've just finished both of your your books on the case.
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  Speaker: And I'm really excited to hear what you have to say.
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  Speaker: You have such a unique perspective on what happens.
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  Speaker: And you, you were raised by the family who actually lived it.
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  Speaker: Yes, exactly.
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  Speaker: So you know, yeah, I know the story.
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  Speaker: And, you know, I've heard it.
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  Speaker: So, you know, I know how they felt.
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  Speaker: I know what it did to them.
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  Speaker: You know, I just know I'm sure
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  Speaker: not everyone has heard of the
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  Speaker: Hopkinsville Kelly Little Green
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  Speaker: Men case.
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  Speaker: Can you tell us how you've come
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  Speaker: to understand the events of that
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  Speaker: evening?
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  Speaker: Okay, of course.
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  Speaker: It was August the twenty first, nineteen fifty five.
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  Speaker: Um, this happened on my grandmother's farm, Miss Glennie
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  Speaker: Lankford, um, she owned the farm with her husband.
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  Speaker: Um, he had passed.
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  Speaker: So she was a widow.
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  Speaker: So she lived there with her
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  Speaker: three small children who were
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  Speaker: twelve, ten and seven at the
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  Speaker: time.
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  Speaker: And my uncle J.C. and his wife,
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  Speaker: Eileen stayed there with her and
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  Speaker: helped her out the weekend this
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  Speaker: happened, it just so happened my
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  Speaker: dad, who had worked with the
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  Speaker: carnival since he was the age of
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  Speaker: fourteen, had come in for the
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  Speaker: weekend.
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  Speaker: Um, they were stationed in Evansville, so they decided
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  Speaker: since they were so close, they would get away for a few days
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  Speaker: and, you know, get some good old home cooking and see the family
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  Speaker: for a little bit.
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  Speaker: So him and his wife Vera, and
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  Speaker: their friends, uh, Billy Ray
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  Speaker: Taylor and June came in with
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  Speaker: them.
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  Speaker: And so they spent the weekend and enjoyed every, you know,
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  Speaker: every minute they could.
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  Speaker: And Sunday evening was going to be their last time.
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  Speaker: So they were just enjoying a nice, quiet evening.
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  Speaker: My grandmother had went to church.
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  Speaker: She had gotten back.
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  Speaker: Mhm.
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  Speaker: The guys were sitting there
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  Speaker: playing cards and Billy Ray
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  Speaker: said, well, you know, I'm going
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  Speaker: to go out to the well and get
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  Speaker: some water.
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  Speaker: Of course, they did not have running water in the house.
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  Speaker: Electricity they did.
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  Speaker: But running water?
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  Speaker: No. So he ran out to the well.
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  Speaker: And as he was standing there
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  Speaker: getting his water, he heard
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  Speaker: something he didn't recognized,
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  Speaker: looked up toward where he was
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  Speaker: hearing this noise, and saw a
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  Speaker: round.
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  Speaker: Well, it was an oval object,
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  Speaker: silver in color, and he
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  Speaker: described it having all the
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  Speaker: colors of the rainbow floating
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  Speaker: behind it.
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  Speaker: Of course, he didn't know what it was.
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  Speaker: None of us would have.
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  Speaker: So he ran in the house, slammed the door behind him.
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  Speaker: Of course, everybody was just,
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  Speaker: you know, shocked and looked up
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  Speaker: at him.
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  Speaker: You know Billy Ray, what's wrong?
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  Speaker: And he told him, he says, I just
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  Speaker: saw something out here and it's
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  Speaker: not right.
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  Speaker: You know, it scared him.
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  Speaker: He was pale.
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  Speaker: He was sweating.
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  Speaker: His wife could see that.
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  Speaker: But yet they thought, well, Billy Ray being Billy Ray, he's
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  Speaker: just playing a trick on us.
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  Speaker: So they just let it go.
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  Speaker: Just laughed at him and kept on.
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  Speaker: And he.
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  Speaker: But he was very adamant about it.
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  Speaker: And he kept saying, there's something out here.
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  Speaker: You need to listen to me.
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  Speaker: Well, my dad, who, like you
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  Speaker: said, is Elmer Lucky Sutton
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  Speaker: said, Billy, take me out to
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  Speaker: Ellis.
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  Speaker: Let's let's go over this again.
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  Speaker: Because they tried to reason with him.
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  Speaker: They tried to you know, my grandmother said, well, maybe it
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  Speaker: was a shooting star.
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  Speaker: And Billy Ray told them, no, I know what that looks like.
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  Speaker: Well, maybe it was a meteor
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  Speaker: shower because they had been
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  Speaker: having meteor showers that
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  Speaker: month.
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  Speaker: Mhm.
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  Speaker: He said, no, I know what those look like too.
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  Speaker: It was it was neither of those.
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  Speaker: So they went out to the well and he stood there and he pointed
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  Speaker: towards the sky.
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  Speaker: Told my dad again what he saw.
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  Speaker: My dad tried to reason with him
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  Speaker: again with what they had just
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  Speaker: talked about.
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  Speaker: And Billy Ray is very adamant about it.
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  Speaker: No it wasn't none of those things.
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  Speaker: I'm telling you, there was something out here.
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  Speaker: Well, my dad told him, said, listen, this is our last night.
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  Speaker: This is all we got left.
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  Speaker: Let's go in and enjoy the rest of it.
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  Speaker: There's nothing out here now.
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  Speaker: So as they're heading toward the house, they'll.
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  Speaker: Hound dog went running by him,
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  Speaker: tail tucked ears down, ran under
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  Speaker: the house.
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  Speaker: Well, my dad thought he'd gotten himself in trouble.
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  Speaker: Like maybe a beehive or something.
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  Speaker: Didn't think any more of it.
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  Speaker: Well, he kept walking toward the house, and lo and behold, they
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  Speaker: saw something come out of the back of the woods.
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  Speaker: It had huge ears, big glowing
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  Speaker: eyes, arms down to the ground,
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  Speaker: and it seemed to float above the
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  Speaker: ground.
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  Speaker: Okay.
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  Speaker: Well, they both ran in the door, slammed it behind them, and
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  Speaker: started telling everybody, yes, there is something out here.
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  Speaker: Well, of course, my grandmother
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  Speaker: and everybody else thought,
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  Speaker: well, Billy Ray then got lucky
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  Speaker: out there to go along with his
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  Speaker: little trickery, trying to scare
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  Speaker: the girls, because you got to
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  Speaker: realize these were all people in
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  Speaker: their twenties.
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  Speaker: And June was was actually either eighteen or nineteen.
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  Speaker: So, you know, that was their big thing.
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  Speaker: And so they kept on.
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  Speaker: My grandmother told my dad said,
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  Speaker: you need to just calm down
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  Speaker: because I got to get these kids
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  Speaker: in bed and you're not helping
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  Speaker: me.
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  Speaker: And he kept on, you know, mom, there is something out here.
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  Speaker: Well, she knew it was serious.
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  Speaker: When one grabbed a rifle, one
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  Speaker: grabbed the shotgun, one went to
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  Speaker: the front door, one went to the
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  Speaker: back.
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  Speaker: So my grandmother thought, okay,
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  Speaker: I'll go see Billy Ray because
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  Speaker: she thought she could get more
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  Speaker: out of Billy Ray than she could
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  Speaker: my dad.
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  Speaker: So she went out back where he was squatted down there beside
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  Speaker: him, asked him, Billy Ray, what did you see?
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  Speaker: And he told her.
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  Speaker: He said, Miss Glennie, I hope it's something that you never
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  Speaker: have to see.
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  Speaker: So they sat there in silence for a while.
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  Speaker: They could hear the others
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  Speaker: talking in the background in the
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  Speaker: house, and it was, of course,
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  Speaker: getting dark.
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  Speaker: And lo and behold, around the corner of the house where my
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  Speaker: grandmother was sitting, this little being big ears, glowing
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  Speaker: eyes, arms down to the ground.
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  Speaker: She screams, she falls.
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  Speaker: Everybody hears her.
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  Speaker: They come run into her.
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  Speaker: She's at Billy Ray's helping her get up.
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  Speaker: And she told them, said there is something out here.
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  Speaker: And lo and behold, they hear shot ring out in the house.
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  Speaker: They run in there.
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  Speaker: My uncle J.C. shot one through the window.
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  Speaker: Billy Ray.
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  Speaker: I guess he got his big boy pants on by then.
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  Speaker: He runs out the front door, and there's this little stoop over
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  Speaker: the door, and he's standing there and there's this clawed
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  Speaker: hand that comes down trying to grab his hair.
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  Speaker: My Aunt Eileen reaches out,
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  Speaker: yanks him back in the house, and
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  Speaker: my dad runs out, turned towards
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  Speaker: the roof where it was at, shoots
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  Speaker: at it.
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  Speaker: He hits it.
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  Speaker: Of course he hears it.
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  Speaker: Plus, these are country boys that could shoot by the time
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  Speaker: they could walk, just about.
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  Speaker: So he hits it.
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  Speaker: It rolls, floats away.
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  Speaker: Well, somebody screams, there's one in the front tree because
• 8:18
  Speaker: they had these huge maple trees in the front yard.
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  Speaker: So he turned and there it is, sitting on a big limb shoots it.
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  Speaker: It falls to the ground.
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  Speaker: Well, it floats to the ground actually, and hits the ground,
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  Speaker: rolls and goes away.
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  Speaker: Here they are.
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  Speaker: They don't know what these things are.
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  Speaker: They shoot one off the back fence.
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  Speaker: They're trying to keep them out of the windows, out of the
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  Speaker: doors, because it seems like they're trying to come in.
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  Speaker: They don't know, you know.
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  Speaker: So everybody is scared.
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  Speaker: The kids are crying.
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  Speaker: The women don't, you know June's about to lose it.
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  Speaker: And what are they to do?
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  Speaker: These things will not die.
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  Speaker: They shoot them.
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  Speaker: They come up, they come back.
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  Speaker: What are they to do?
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  Speaker: So my dad sits them all down and tells them, says, listen, we're
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  Speaker: going to get to Hopkinsville.
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  Speaker: If we can get to Hopkinsville,
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  Speaker: we can get help, which
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  Speaker: Hopkinsville at the time was
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  Speaker: like seven miles down the road
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  Speaker: from Kelly.
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  Speaker: So they're sitting there in silence, trying to wait to find
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  Speaker: a good moment to leave, when all of a sudden they hear one going
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  Speaker: across the tin roof and they can hear the nails clicking and
• 9:24
  Speaker: scratching along the roof.
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  Speaker: Well, this really sends everybody into hysterics.
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  Speaker: June's really about to lose it.
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  Speaker: Everybody.
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  Speaker: The kids are crying.
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  Speaker: What are they going to do?
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  Speaker: And my dad tells them says,
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  Speaker: listen, we're going to get out
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  Speaker: of this.
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  Speaker: Just hold on.
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  Speaker: Just hold on.
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  Speaker: So they sit there for a little bit longer.
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  Speaker: It gets quiet again.
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  Speaker: And he says, let's go.
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  Speaker: So they hit the trucks and head to Hopkinsville.
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  Speaker: Here they get to Hopkinsville.
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  Speaker: Of course, this is nineteen fifty five.
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  Speaker: Uh, one little officer on duty.
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  Speaker: You know, they didn't have to have a bunch like they do today.
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  Speaker: And, uh, he got eleven people
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  Speaker: from the age of seven to fifty
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  Speaker: running into this little
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  Speaker: officer's place there, and
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  Speaker: they're all trying to tell what
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  Speaker: happened.
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  Speaker: And he's not understanding.
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  Speaker: And he's like, well, whoa, whoa, whoa.
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  Speaker: You say you got little men trying to get into your house,
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  Speaker: and my dad's trying to tell him, you're not understanding what
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  Speaker: we're trying to tell you.
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  Speaker: So he tells them, listen, let me call the chief.
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  Speaker: So he calls Chief Russell.
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  Speaker: Greeneville.
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  Speaker: Greeneville tells him.
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  Speaker: Says, keep them there.
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  Speaker: Call Fort Campbell.
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  Speaker: Fort Campbell Army base was
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  Speaker: about ten miles from
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  Speaker: Hopkinsville.
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  Speaker: Called Fort Campbell, called the paper.
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  Speaker: Get Ahold of, you know, just everybody you can.
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  Speaker: Let's get some people out there to this farm.
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  Speaker: Because Greenville believed
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  Speaker: wholeheartedly something was
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  Speaker: going on.
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  Speaker: So they all get there.
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  Speaker: They try to calm the family down.
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  Speaker: They all get back in the vehicles, head toward Kelly.
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  Speaker: Okay, you got this caravan of
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  Speaker: vehicles going to itsy bitsy
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  Speaker: Kelly in the middle of the
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  Speaker: night.
• 10:58
  Speaker: It's pitch black, dark.
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  Speaker: They didn't have street lights and stuff like that back then.
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  Speaker: They pull up, get out, and they can tell something happened.
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  Speaker: It feels strange for one, two, you've got rifle shotgun shells
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  Speaker: all over the ground.
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  Speaker: You've got them inside the house
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  Speaker: and there's holes through the
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  Speaker: screens.
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  Speaker: There's places on the woodwork
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  Speaker: that they hit, you know,
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  Speaker: obvious.
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  Speaker: Something happened to this family, right?
• 11:27
  Speaker: Well, as they pulled up the car of officers did notice that
• 11:31
  Speaker: there was a glowing substance back on the fence.
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  Speaker: It was where they had shot one.
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  Speaker: So of course, they ran back
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  Speaker: there as soon as they could get
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  Speaker: there.
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  Speaker: But as they came up on the
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  Speaker: substance, it would not glow
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  Speaker: anymore.
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  Speaker: The only time they could see
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  Speaker: glowing is if they were away
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  Speaker: from it, but that's the only
• 11:48
  Speaker: thing they could find besides
• 11:49
  Speaker: the, you know, shotgun and rifle
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  Speaker: shells.
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  Speaker: They looked everywhere.
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  Speaker: Couldn't find a body.
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  Speaker: Greenwell went to my grandmother and said, Miss Glennie, I am so
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  Speaker: sorry, but there's nothing here.
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  Speaker: There's nothing we can do for you.
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  Speaker: And they left.
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  Speaker: So they left my grandmother
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  Speaker: there for anything to happen
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  Speaker: again.
• 12:08
  Speaker: You know, they were still all afraid.
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  Speaker: She finally got the kids down to sleep.
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  Speaker: She went and got in her bed.
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  Speaker: My dad sat beside her in the rocking chair with a shotgun
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  Speaker: across his lap.
• 12:20
  Speaker: And she opened her eyes and she
• 12:22
  Speaker: saw a little been at the window
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  Speaker: again.
• 12:24
  Speaker: And she got to thinking, you know, I'm tired.
• 12:28
  Speaker: You know, they are physically and mentally exhausted.
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  Speaker: So she closes her eyes and she opens them up the second time.
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  Speaker: Well, it's still standing there.
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  Speaker: The third time she does it, she screams at my dad, they're back.
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  Speaker: So they get up and here they are defending the house again.
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  Speaker: And this goes on till the sun rises.
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  Speaker: When the sun comes up.
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  Speaker: They disappear.
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  Speaker: And the only thing they can figure.
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  Speaker: The reason why is they did
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  Speaker: notice that if they shined a
• 12:58
  Speaker: light toward them, or if they
• 13:00
  Speaker: kicked the light on, they backed
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  Speaker: off.
• 13:04
  Speaker: So they thought, well, maybe
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  Speaker: their big eyes couldn't take the
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  Speaker: light.
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  Speaker: So the sun was their saving grace.
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  Speaker: Well, my dad got everybody set em down.
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  Speaker: Told them.
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  Speaker: I said, listen, no good can come of this story.
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  Speaker: I heard them last night.
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  Speaker: They were laughing at us.
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  Speaker: They don't believe us.
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  Speaker: So they said, forget it.
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  Speaker: Just forget this ever happened.
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  Speaker: Let's just go on with our lives and just let it go.
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  Speaker: Mhm.
• 13:29
  Speaker: Well, some of the guys actually went to Evansville that morning
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  Speaker: to do something.
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  Speaker: Uh, the girls stayed there, and
• 13:34
  Speaker: while they were there, there was
• 13:36
  Speaker: people actually coming in
• 13:37
  Speaker: wanting to talk to them and
• 13:38
  Speaker: interview them.
• 13:39
  Speaker: So they started getting bombarded with people.
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  Speaker: And so I call it the invasion of the people because they were
• 13:46
  Speaker: coming from everywhere.
• 13:47
  Speaker: Word had gotten out all over the country that this had happened.
• 13:52
  Speaker: So everybody was wanting to find out about it.
• 13:55
  Speaker: So you had people camping out in the yard.
• 13:57
  Speaker: You had people walking around picking up souvenirs.
• 14:00
  Speaker: They were actually walking
• 14:02
  Speaker: through the house and taking
• 14:04
  Speaker: stuff.
• 14:04
  Speaker: Wow.
• 14:05
  Speaker: You know, my grandmother asked
• 14:06
  Speaker: one of the officers that was
• 14:08
  Speaker: there, can you do something
• 14:09
  Speaker: about this?
• 14:10
  Speaker: They're going to rob us blind.
• 14:12
  Speaker: And he told her.
• 14:13
  Speaker: He says, well, I'll try.
• 14:14
  Speaker: And so he did get everybody to leave.
• 14:16
  Speaker: But as soon as the officers were gone, they came back.
• 14:21
  Speaker: So, you know, what were they to do?
• 14:23
  Speaker: Um, my dad and Billy Ray and the girls had to go back to work.
• 14:27
  Speaker: They had to leave.
• 14:28
  Speaker: So all that was going to be left
• 14:29
  Speaker: was my grandmother, three small
• 14:31
  Speaker: kids, and my Uncle Jesse and
• 14:33
  Speaker: Aunt Eileen.
• 14:33
  Speaker: And what was she to do?
• 14:35
  Speaker: So, um, she sold the farm, sold it within two weeks.
• 14:41
  Speaker: Wow.
• 14:42
  Speaker: And moved into Hopkinsville to an apartment complex where she
• 14:45
  Speaker: felt safer because she was around people and she thought.
• 14:49
  Speaker: Safety in numbers.
• 14:51
  Speaker: And she sold the house to other
• 14:54
  Speaker: family members and the kids
• 14:57
  Speaker: that.
• 14:57
  Speaker: Of course, they're older today,
• 14:59
  Speaker: but that are alive today can
• 15:01
  Speaker: tell you that they hated that
• 15:03
  Speaker: place.
• 15:04
  Speaker: They did not want to move into it because the people that lived
• 15:07
  Speaker: in Kelly, you know, knew something happened that night
• 15:10
  Speaker: because they heard the stuff that was going on.
• 15:12
  Speaker: They heard the shots.
• 15:13
  Speaker: They heard the screaming, the cussing, the carrying on, you
• 15:17
  Speaker: know, and all during the day, that day, there were lights
• 15:21
  Speaker: being seen around everywhere that nobody could explain.
• 15:25
  Speaker: That night, there was a light
• 15:27
  Speaker: going from Clarksville to Fort
• 15:30
  Speaker: Campbell through Hopkinsville
• 15:32
  Speaker: and was seen over Kelly that
• 15:34
  Speaker: night.
• 15:35
  Speaker: But this stuff did not come out till later on.
• 15:38
  Speaker: So things, you know, were happening.
• 15:40
  Speaker: And my mom lived in Kelly at the
• 15:42
  Speaker: time to see my mom and dad
• 15:43
  Speaker: weren't married yet, and, um,
• 15:46
  Speaker: um, she lived there and Kelly
• 15:49
  Speaker: with her first husband and seven
• 15:51
  Speaker: kids.
• 15:51
  Speaker: And she said it was terrifying
• 15:53
  Speaker: because they didn't know if
• 15:54
  Speaker: these things were going to come
• 15:56
  Speaker: back.
• 15:56
  Speaker: If they did come back, what did they want?
• 15:58
  Speaker: What did they want in the first place?
• 16:00
  Speaker: Why did they land in little bitty?
• 16:01
  Speaker: What do you want?
• 16:03
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 16:03
  Speaker: And she was this one house, you
• 16:05
  Speaker: know, nobody could understand
• 16:07
  Speaker: it.
• 16:08
  Speaker: So, you know.
• 16:09
  Speaker: But the next morning also, I didn't mention this the next
• 16:12
  Speaker: morning also, um, they came from Fort Campbell and, and surveyed
• 16:17
  Speaker: the place, you know, did the, you know, aren't the shoulders
• 16:21
  Speaker: shoulder, what do they call it.
• 16:22
  Speaker: I can't think like they agreed canvassing.
• 16:24
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 16:25
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 16:25
  Speaker: And and and went down through there and did that, you know, of
• 16:29
  Speaker: course there was stuff flying over that was doing searches,
• 16:32
  Speaker: but you know, they just do it to the side, let it go.
• 16:35
  Speaker: They never found any physical evidence at all.
• 16:38
  Speaker: All of these gunshots and
• 16:40
  Speaker: shooting and, um, all of these
• 16:43
  Speaker: beings being shot and there was
• 16:44
  Speaker: not anything.
• 16:45
  Speaker: Well, I was told by somebody that of course is real, a lot
• 16:51
  Speaker: older now, but was there that day that saw it that said that
• 16:55
  Speaker: they did witness somebody in the military pick up something, hide
• 17:01
  Speaker: it under the shirt, run it to the back of the truck, drop it
• 17:03
  Speaker: in the back of the truck, and the truck took off.
• 17:05
  Speaker: But we'll never know.
• 17:07
  Speaker: You know, you just don't know about these things.
• 17:09
  Speaker: So they keep everything hidden and hush hush.
• 17:13
  Speaker: And you know, it gets swept under the rug.
• 17:16
  Speaker: And we don't talk about that.
• 17:17
  Speaker: Was it ever was this case ever investigated?
• 17:19
  Speaker: I know Project Blue Book did
• 17:21
  Speaker: investigations from the fifties
• 17:23
  Speaker: like the fifty two to sixty
• 17:25
  Speaker: nine.
• 17:25
  Speaker: I think so this falls right in there.
• 17:28
  Speaker: Was there ever like an official investigation?
• 17:30
  Speaker: No, no no no, they just they just swept it under the rug.
• 17:34
  Speaker: They they never did anything they should have.
• 17:36
  Speaker: They didn't take any samples of anything which they could have.
• 17:40
  Speaker: They could have taken a sample off the ground where that
• 17:42
  Speaker: glowing substance was.
• 17:44
  Speaker: You took something off that roof.
• 17:47
  Speaker: There had to have been something on that roof, or they'd been
• 17:49
  Speaker: crawling across it yet.
• 17:52
  Speaker: Dirt, anything they could have gotten up, you know?
• 17:55
  Speaker: And okay, this is a kicker because, see, my parents kept
• 18:02
  Speaker: this story hid from us.
• 18:03
  Speaker: We found out about it just by chance and by chance.
• 18:07
  Speaker: I mean, when I was like eight years old, this couple came to
• 18:13
  Speaker: our house to talk to my dad.
• 18:16
  Speaker: I'll never forget this.
• 18:18
  Speaker: And, um, I guess my mom and dad thought, well, they're going to
• 18:22
  Speaker: find out about it sometime because the other, the older
• 18:25
  Speaker: kids kept this hush.
• 18:26
  Speaker: They didn't talk about it.
• 18:28
  Speaker: And, uh, so my parents set us down on the floor in a circle,
• 18:33
  Speaker: all the smaller kids.
• 18:35
  Speaker: And, um, my dad told this incredible story.
• 18:39
  Speaker: It scared me to death, you know, because I've always loved
• 18:43
  Speaker: science fiction and horror.
• 18:45
  Speaker: Even when I was little, I loved this stuff.
• 18:48
  Speaker: But after I heard the story, it terrified me.
• 18:51
  Speaker: I'd go through at night, close
• 18:53
  Speaker: all the doors and shutters and
• 18:54
  Speaker: windows and everything because I
• 18:56
  Speaker: was afraid these things were
• 18:57
  Speaker: going to come back and look in
• 18:59
  Speaker: at us.
• 19:00
  Speaker: Well, it checks all the boxes.
• 19:01
  Speaker: As far as being one of those
• 19:02
  Speaker: horrible, you know, sci fi,
• 19:04
  Speaker: alien invasion types of
• 19:06
  Speaker: scenarios.
• 19:07
  Speaker: I mean, it's everything.
• 19:08
  Speaker: So I can see why you'd be terrified as a kid.
• 19:11
  Speaker: You know, back in the late
• 19:12
  Speaker: fifties, when all these sci fi
• 19:15
  Speaker: movies about aliens came out,
• 19:18
  Speaker: you know?
• 19:18
  Speaker: So, you know, in the late sixties, when I was like eight
• 19:21
  Speaker: years old, of course, I was watching these things.
• 19:23
  Speaker: Never even thought about anything that, you know, being
• 19:27
  Speaker: real until this story.
• 19:29
  Speaker: But the, the kicker to this is the following weekend after this
• 19:33
  Speaker: couple came and talked to my dad, and my dad took us to Kelly
• 19:37
  Speaker: and showed us where it all happened and we went.
• 19:42
  Speaker: The old house was still standing.
• 19:44
  Speaker: Nobody was living in it.
• 19:45
  Speaker: It was coming apart.
• 19:47
  Speaker: The well is still there.
• 19:48
  Speaker: It's still there right now.
• 19:50
  Speaker: Is it really okay?
• 19:51
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 19:52
  Speaker: And then he took us back in the
• 19:53
  Speaker: field where this craft had
• 19:56
  Speaker: landed.
• 19:57
  Speaker: And sure enough, I'll never forget it.
• 19:59
  Speaker: This big round spot was on the
• 20:02
  Speaker: ground where no grass was
• 20:04
  Speaker: growing.
• 20:05
  Speaker: Wow.
• 20:05
  Speaker: How big was this ring?
• 20:07
  Speaker: Or was it an oval?
• 20:08
  Speaker: Or was it a ring?
• 20:10
  Speaker: It was round.
• 20:11
  Speaker: It was totally round.
• 20:12
  Speaker: It was like the size.
• 20:13
  Speaker: I like to tell people it was probably the size.
• 20:17
  Speaker: You know how big a like a thirty two.
• 20:21
  Speaker: How did they do?
• 20:22
  Speaker: We had a swimming pool that big, a thirty two, thirty two foot or
• 20:26
  Speaker: what have you said swimming pool about that big, I would say.
• 20:31
  Speaker: You know, I was pretty decent size.
• 20:33
  Speaker: I was eight years old, but I wasn't stupid either.
• 20:35
  Speaker: Right.
• 20:36
  Speaker: So, you know, you know, it was huge.
• 20:40
  Speaker: And I've had people come forward and tell me that grew up in
• 20:43
  Speaker: Kelly, that there's many a day.
• 20:45
  Speaker: They just walked right across that circle.
• 20:47
  Speaker: They knew it was there.
• 20:48
  Speaker: MM. You know, going hunting back in there and stuff.
• 20:52
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 20:52
  Speaker: They just walk across that and never even think twice about it.
• 20:55
  Speaker: And they knew it was there.
• 20:57
  Speaker: Of course now all that back in
• 20:59
  Speaker: there, the people that own it,
• 21:02
  Speaker: that part of the land has grown
• 21:04
  Speaker: up.
• 21:05
  Speaker: And I don't even know if they've even had it, you know, surveyed
• 21:09
  Speaker: or not, because the trees are huge and it's grown.
• 21:12
  Speaker: And, um, we, I don't know how long your, your, your thing is
• 21:18
  Speaker: here, but as long as it needs to be, it's, there's no time limit.
• 21:21
  Speaker: Okay.
• 21:22
  Speaker: I'm fascinated with this.
• 21:23
  Speaker: So go ahead.
• 21:24
  Speaker: Okay.
• 21:24
  Speaker: Because back in twenty twenty, uh, I don't know if you know who
• 21:29
  Speaker: Ben Hansen is, but, um, he does the paranormal UFO shows and
• 21:35
  Speaker: that type of thing.
• 21:36
  Speaker: And this show came out on
• 21:37
  Speaker: Discovery Plus called UFO
• 21:40
  Speaker: witness.
• 21:41
  Speaker: Mhm.
• 21:42
  Speaker: And they got Ahold of me wanting to do the story.
• 21:44
  Speaker: So in twenty twenty, we actually
• 21:45
  Speaker: went down to Kelly and and did
• 21:48
  Speaker: the show.
• 21:49
  Speaker: Oh, wow.
• 21:49
  Speaker: And I have a book where I have
• 21:54
  Speaker: a, a map where Isabel Davis, who
• 21:58
  Speaker: did a really good write up on
• 21:59
  Speaker: this story, uh, did a map and
• 22:03
  Speaker: she actually did the map where
• 22:05
  Speaker: you could tell where the craft
• 22:08
  Speaker: had landed.
• 22:10
  Speaker: So Ben took this map that I had and measured out everything, and
• 22:16
  Speaker: we were actually able to measure out approximately where the
• 22:20
  Speaker: craft had landed.
• 22:22
  Speaker: And back in those woods, like I
• 22:23
  Speaker: said, it was really, really
• 22:25
  Speaker: thick.
• 22:25
  Speaker: You couldn't hardly get back in there.
• 22:27
  Speaker: But he was able to get back in
• 22:29
  Speaker: there far enough that he's
• 22:31
  Speaker: pretty sure he found the spot,
• 22:32
  Speaker: because there is a spot back in
• 22:34
  Speaker: there that still isn't growing
• 22:37
  Speaker: like the rest of the trees
• 22:39
  Speaker: around it.
• 22:40
  Speaker: Okay.
• 22:41
  Speaker: MM. He took a Geiger counter with him, and it did read.
• 22:46
  Speaker: After all these years, it had
• 22:47
  Speaker: still had a reading in that
• 22:48
  Speaker: area.
• 22:49
  Speaker: That's that's amazing.
• 22:50
  Speaker: He also brought a metal detector because he wanted to check out
• 22:53
  Speaker: some of the trees to see if there were any, you know,
• 22:57
  Speaker: shells, bullets, anything like that in there.
• 22:58
  Speaker: But of course, you couldn't really go by that because fifty
• 23:01
  Speaker: five to now you've had people hunting back there for years and
• 23:04
  Speaker: years and years.
• 23:05
  Speaker: So, you know, but it was just amazing that he was able to get
• 23:08
  Speaker: back in there.
• 23:09
  Speaker: We went so far.
• 23:11
  Speaker: Me and my sister did, and then it just got so thick.
• 23:13
  Speaker: Ben said, just hold off because because it was getting dark.
• 23:17
  Speaker: And he went back on in there with the camera guy and got back
• 23:22
  Speaker: in there as far as they could.
• 23:23
  Speaker: And then when he got back in there, he got to hearing stuff.
• 23:26
  Speaker: And I think it kind of scared
• 23:28
  Speaker: him because like I said, it was
• 23:30
  Speaker: really thick.
• 23:31
  Speaker: And he said, do you know if
• 23:32
  Speaker: there's any Bigfoot back in
• 23:33
  Speaker: here?
• 23:33
  Speaker: And I'm like, oh, no. I don't know.
• 23:38
  Speaker: There's no telling what?
• 23:39
  Speaker: What's back in these woods?
• 23:40
  Speaker: Well, he could blend that episode in with another episode
• 23:43
  Speaker: of the paranormal if he if he did bump into something.
• 23:45
  Speaker: So, hey, it could have worked out, right?
• 23:47
  Speaker: But anyway, it turned out really good.
• 23:49
  Speaker: That was a really good one.
• 23:51
  Speaker: You know, I've done several
• 23:52
  Speaker: shows and I think that was
• 23:53
  Speaker: probably.
• 23:54
  Speaker: I'll have to check that out.
• 23:56
  Speaker: I'll have a link to that in the, in the show notes, so everybody
• 23:58
  Speaker: can check it out.
• 23:59
  Speaker: And I'll have a link to your, uh, your books too.
• 24:01
  Speaker: Is the Amazon the best place to, to find your books?
• 24:04
  Speaker: Or is there a better well, actually, if you really want to
• 24:07
  Speaker: get a book and get it signed and everything, you just need to go
• 24:10
  Speaker: on my Etsy shop page, which is called aliens and Goblins, all
• 24:17
  Speaker: lowercase all together.
• 24:20
  Speaker: And you get on there and they're cheaper.
• 24:22
  Speaker: I sell them cheaper on there and I autograph them for people.
• 24:27
  Speaker: Oh that's nice.
• 24:28
  Speaker: I'll, I'll link to that too.
• 24:29
  Speaker: A little, little card that's
• 24:31
  Speaker: like a synopsis that I had
• 24:33
  Speaker: somebody made for me and, you
• 24:35
  Speaker: know, little gifts and stuff,
• 24:37
  Speaker: so.
• 24:37
  Speaker: Oh very cool.
• 24:38
  Speaker: I'm looking at the cover of your book, the Kelley Greenman, and
• 24:41
  Speaker: it's got a picture of, I think, what the family all reported as
• 24:46
  Speaker: what the creature looked like.
• 24:47
  Speaker: And it just, it's terrifying actually.
• 24:49
  Speaker: It's got these giant yellow eyes, long skinny arms.
• 24:52
  Speaker: Yes.
• 24:53
  Speaker: Um, but he wasn't terrifying.
• 24:55
  Speaker: I know the Evansville newspaper
• 24:56
  Speaker: at the time reported the little
• 24:58
  Speaker: green man, but it was actually
• 25:00
  Speaker: not green.
• 25:01
  Speaker: More of a silvery or gray.
• 25:03
  Speaker: Is that correct?
• 25:03
  Speaker: Yes.
• 25:04
  Speaker: Yes.
• 25:04
  Speaker: Well, they call it gunmetal gray.
• 25:07
  Speaker: Gunmetal gray.
• 25:07
  Speaker: Okay.
• 25:08
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 25:09
  Speaker: But, um, the coin little green man came from a reporter that
• 25:14
  Speaker: put the two and two together.
• 25:15
  Speaker: Kelly.
• 25:16
  Speaker: Kelly green.
• 25:17
  Speaker: Oh, there you go.
• 25:17
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 25:18
  Speaker: And, um.
• 25:19
  Speaker: So he just made it.
• 25:21
  Speaker: Kelly Green man, because it just
• 25:22
  Speaker: sounded better than Kelly Gray
• 25:25
  Speaker: man.
• 25:25
  Speaker: Than the gunmetal men.
• 25:27
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 25:27
  Speaker: And so when you hear little green men, you hear that phrase.
• 25:31
  Speaker: It actually came from this.
• 25:33
  Speaker: Wow.
• 25:34
  Speaker: Yeah, I learned something there.
• 25:37
  Speaker: What are some of the alternative theories as to what this was?
• 25:40
  Speaker: If this wasn't some sort of UFO landing with aliens visiting,
• 25:44
  Speaker: what do you think it could have been if it weren't?
• 25:47
  Speaker: If it wasn't that I couldn't tell you.
• 25:50
  Speaker: I mean, I have to think after
• 25:54
  Speaker: you hear everything and put it
• 25:56
  Speaker: together, you have to think
• 25:58
  Speaker: alien.
• 25:58
  Speaker: Because like I said, people see lights during the day.
• 26:01
  Speaker: That day they see lights.
• 26:03
  Speaker: That night, they heard things during the night.
• 26:06
  Speaker: That night that didn't make any sense.
• 26:08
  Speaker: So they'd never heard before.
• 26:09
  Speaker: Right.
• 26:10
  Speaker: Um, so with that, I have to thank alien.
• 26:14
  Speaker: Of course, you know, they are,
• 26:15
  Speaker: they, you know, they are called
• 26:16
  Speaker: Hopkinsville goblins.
• 26:17
  Speaker: And the reason they're called
• 26:18
  Speaker: goblins is and I love goblins
• 26:21
  Speaker: better than Kelly Kelly green
• 26:22
  Speaker: man.
• 26:23
  Speaker: I'll be honest with you.
• 26:24
  Speaker: I just love calling them goblins.
• 26:26
  Speaker: But my grandmother, you know,
• 26:29
  Speaker: she thought there was something
• 26:31
  Speaker: the devil had brought forth
• 26:32
  Speaker: because she was really
• 26:33
  Speaker: religious.
• 26:34
  Speaker: And so that was her first thought, that did she do
• 26:38
  Speaker: something wrong with something, you know, and, and cause she
• 26:42
  Speaker: just went to church that night.
• 26:43
  Speaker: Like I said, she's very religious, um, goblins.
• 26:47
  Speaker: So they did call them goblins for a little bit until people
• 26:51
  Speaker: realized, okay, we had all this stuff going on.
• 26:53
  Speaker: So. MM, maybe they were aliens, but, you know, I've had people
• 26:59
  Speaker: come forward and tell me different things too, which you
• 27:01
  Speaker: read in the book.
• 27:03
  Speaker: Absolutely.
• 27:03
  Speaker: I know like owls, like an owl, but I mean, these people were
• 27:06
  Speaker: you're in the middle of kind of you're in the country.
• 27:09
  Speaker: These people are farm people and
• 27:11
  Speaker: they know what an owl looks like
• 27:13
  Speaker: at night.
• 27:14
  Speaker: So I got to think.
• 27:15
  Speaker: And also shooting a creature that close, I mean, I don't
• 27:18
  Speaker: think they're gonna miss.
• 27:20
  Speaker: So that doesn't make any sense to me.
• 27:22
  Speaker: These and I think I think a cat and monkey theory.
• 27:25
  Speaker: But I mean, again, you know,
• 27:27
  Speaker: they know what animals look
• 27:28
  Speaker: like.
• 27:29
  Speaker: Animals don't have giant yellow
• 27:30
  Speaker: eyes and float around and dodge
• 27:33
  Speaker: bullets and, you know, that sort
• 27:34
  Speaker: of thing.
• 27:36
  Speaker: And that's why sometimes it just it just tickles me because you
• 27:41
  Speaker: can't make people understand.
• 27:42
  Speaker: These were country boys that could hit anything, right?
• 27:45
  Speaker: You know, they could hit a rabbit running and a squirrel
• 27:47
  Speaker: out of a tree.
• 27:49
  Speaker: So they were hitting these three foot tall beings.
• 27:51
  Speaker: So, you know, it just kills me when somebody comes and says,
• 27:54
  Speaker: oh, it was just a monkey.
• 27:56
  Speaker: Or it was just, oh, hey, if it
• 27:58
  Speaker: was something living, it would
• 28:00
  Speaker: be splattered all over the
• 28:02
  Speaker: place.
• 28:03
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 28:03
  Speaker: I mean, they were hunters and stuff now.
• 28:06
  Speaker: Um, was your dad the type to.
• 28:08
  Speaker: I mean, because I know they were kind of joking around that day,
• 28:10
  Speaker: but I mean, was your dad the type to like, keep us, you know,
• 28:12
  Speaker: keep something like this going for so many years with, you
• 28:15
  Speaker: know, without coming out and saying, okay, that was a joke.
• 28:18
  Speaker: I mean, was he a jokester or anything like that?
• 28:20
  Speaker: No, no, my dad was the serious one.
• 28:23
  Speaker: Billy Ray was jokester.
• 28:24
  Speaker: My dad was serious.
• 28:26
  Speaker: I mean, whatever this was, it scared him to death.
• 28:31
  Speaker: He didn't like talking about it.
• 28:34
  Speaker: Uh, you know, of course, people would come forward every once in
• 28:36
  Speaker: a while and want to come talk to him about it.
• 28:38
  Speaker: He just wouldn't do it.
• 28:40
  Speaker: It was like before he passed away, they had there was
• 28:43
  Speaker: somebody from Germany trying to get Ahold of him, wanting to
• 28:46
  Speaker: talk to him, actually wanting to take him over to Germany, and he
• 28:49
  Speaker: just wouldn't do it.
• 28:52
  Speaker: I mean, it frightened him to death.
• 28:54
  Speaker: It you know, I'm surprised to
• 28:56
  Speaker: even talk to those two people
• 28:58
  Speaker: that came back in the sixties,
• 29:00
  Speaker: you know, when I was little,
• 29:01
  Speaker: because he just did not talk
• 29:03
  Speaker: about it.
• 29:04
  Speaker: But I guess he figured, well, the kids need to know because
• 29:06
  Speaker: they're going to find out.
• 29:08
  Speaker: Right.
• 29:09
  Speaker: And that kind and that kind of
• 29:11
  Speaker: takes away from the whole, they
• 29:13
  Speaker: just did this for money or
• 29:14
  Speaker: notoriety or attention because,
• 29:16
  Speaker: I mean, they didn't really get
• 29:18
  Speaker: any.
• 29:18
  Speaker: I mean, they got attention, but it was seemed to be unwanted and
• 29:20
  Speaker: they never really profited on.
• 29:23
  Speaker: Well, yeah, you know, you got to realize too, my grandmother and
• 29:26
  Speaker: uncle J.C. and them, they didn't have the money to go to the
• 29:29
  Speaker: movies and see things like this.
• 29:30
  Speaker: This is just an old country family that barely made it from
• 29:35
  Speaker: week to week, much less knew about such things.
• 29:38
  Speaker: They had a radio, but they didn't have anything else.
• 29:41
  Speaker: The only thing they had was, you know, the people they knew at
• 29:44
  Speaker: church, their neighbors and stuff like that.
• 29:47
  Speaker: They did not know such a thing existed.
• 29:50
  Speaker: And, you know, the only ones that would have are my dad and
• 29:54
  Speaker: Billy Ray, because of course, they traveled and they may have
• 29:57
  Speaker: known, I don't know, they may have not sure.
• 30:00
  Speaker: And, uh, um, but yeah, this is something that terrified them.
• 30:04
  Speaker: You know, it terrified those
• 30:06
  Speaker: three kids to this day, the two
• 30:08
  Speaker: younger ones will not speak of
• 30:10
  Speaker: this.
• 30:11
  Speaker: The older one, he used to, but he doesn't anymore.
• 30:16
  Speaker: Now, the kids that were there because there were eleven people
• 30:19
  Speaker: in the house, right?
• 30:21
  Speaker: Right.
• 30:21
  Speaker: There were several of those were children who never did they
• 30:25
  Speaker: actually see the creature, or have they just not talked?
• 30:28
  Speaker: Because that was under the impression from reading the book
• 30:29
  Speaker: that they didn't see anything.
• 30:30
  Speaker: They were just kind of like
• 30:32
  Speaker: huddling in the back bedroom or
• 30:33
  Speaker: something.
• 30:34
  Speaker: The older one did because the two smaller ones really didn't.
• 30:40
  Speaker: The older one did.
• 30:42
  Speaker: Mhm.
• 30:42
  Speaker: Um, he says that he, he got away because they my dad actually
• 30:49
  Speaker: told my Aunt Eileen to take him to the bedroom and hide the kids
• 30:53
  Speaker: under the bed, because he didn't know what these things were.
• 30:56
  Speaker: Sure.
• 30:56
  Speaker: If they were going to try to hurt them or what?
• 30:58
  Speaker: Mhm.
• 30:59
  Speaker: And so my uncle Lonnie got off the bed and, and went, ran to
• 31:04
  Speaker: the window to look.
• 31:05
  Speaker: And he looked out and there was one outside the window.
• 31:07
  Speaker: So he actually seen one.
• 31:09
  Speaker: Now the two smaller ones, I don't think they did.
• 31:12
  Speaker: They kind of blocked this out
• 31:15
  Speaker: because it was just so
• 31:16
  Speaker: terrifying.
• 31:17
  Speaker: My Aunt Mary, she's a little bitty thing.
• 31:19
  Speaker: She's a little bitty thing now, and I can't imagine these things
• 31:24
  Speaker: were probably as big as she was, if not bigger.
• 31:26
  Speaker: Oh my gosh, probably bigger because she was tiny.
• 31:29
  Speaker: And so I can't imagine.
• 31:31
  Speaker: And this is okay if you really want to know how true this story
• 31:38
  Speaker: is, this is a good thing.
• 31:41
  Speaker: I can tell you that will just show you when they had the Kelly
• 31:45
  Speaker: Festival every year, I would have to go and speak.
• 31:50
  Speaker: And so they would schedule for me to speak.
• 31:53
  Speaker: And so I'd always noticed that
• 31:55
  Speaker: my aunts, my aunt and my two
• 31:57
  Speaker: uncles would never come during
• 31:59
  Speaker: my speaker thing, you know, no
• 32:02
  Speaker: biggie.
• 32:03
  Speaker: That's all right, I didn't care.
• 32:04
  Speaker: I understood one year when I did it, my Aunt Mary was there, and
• 32:10
  Speaker: I think she must have not looked at the schedule or something.
• 32:13
  Speaker: But anyway, she stayed there.
• 32:15
  Speaker: She was out in the audience.
• 32:18
  Speaker: And after I was done with the story come off the stage, she
• 32:21
  Speaker: come up to me.
• 32:21
  Speaker: She was white as a sheet, And she told me, she said, oh my
• 32:28
  Speaker: gosh, it brought it all back.
• 32:29
  Speaker: I says, what do you mean?
• 32:31
  Speaker: And she said, it brought it all back.
• 32:34
  Speaker: She said, it's terrifying.
• 32:39
  Speaker: It scared her to death to hear that again, because all these
• 32:45
  Speaker: years she has put it in the back of her mind and has tried to
• 32:48
  Speaker: forget this ever existed, ever happened to them.
• 32:52
  Speaker: Then all of a sudden, here I am telling this story.
• 32:55
  Speaker: What happened that night?
• 32:57
  Speaker: She was there.
• 32:59
  Speaker: So she relived it.
• 33:02
  Speaker: She was terrified.
• 33:04
  Speaker: And if it didn't happen, if it was some made up story.
• 33:05
  Speaker: I mean, she wouldn't have had that reaction, most likely
• 33:08
  Speaker: because it wouldn't have been another thing that kind of makes
• 33:10
  Speaker: it more not to doubt anybody.
• 33:12
  Speaker: I'm a natural skeptic.
• 33:14
  Speaker: I like to have an open mind, but I do like to kind of think think
• 33:17
  Speaker: of things skeptically.
• 33:18
  Speaker: Yeah, I think that's just healthy.
• 33:20
  Speaker: Um, if they were, if it was some sort of prank.
• 33:23
  Speaker: I mean, you've got little children running around the
• 33:25
  Speaker: house and you're shooting guns in the house through the window.
• 33:28
  Speaker: I mean, that's taking things a little far for a prank, right?
• 33:32
  Speaker: I mean, so there definitely was, in my opinion, there was
• 33:35
  Speaker: definitely something there that they had that scared the heck
• 33:39
  Speaker: out of them.
• 33:40
  Speaker: Um, there's no doubt about that.
• 33:41
  Speaker: And they were shooting at something.
• 33:43
  Speaker: And that's what I try to make people understand when I do
• 33:45
  Speaker: speaker sessions and book stuff and all that kind of thing, I
• 33:49
  Speaker: try to make people understand, hey, whether it be paranormal,
• 33:53
  Speaker: whether it be alien, whether I don't know what it was, but
• 33:56
  Speaker: something happened to this family that night, whether you
• 34:00
  Speaker: want to believe it or not, something happened to this
• 34:03
  Speaker: family, something that caused them to panic so much to where
• 34:07
  Speaker: they all pile into the car and go to the police station in the
• 34:09
  Speaker: middle of the night.
• 34:11
  Speaker: And I gotta think, you know,
• 34:12
  Speaker: being these, you know, country
• 34:13
  Speaker: guys that are kind of probably
• 34:15
  Speaker: macho and, like, not exactly
• 34:17
  Speaker: how, you know, I'm gonna be
• 34:18
  Speaker: running scared into the police
• 34:20
  Speaker: station saying there's aliens
• 34:21
  Speaker: running around.
• 34:22
  Speaker: I mean, exactly, for that to
• 34:23
  Speaker: happen, you've got to really be
• 34:24
  Speaker: kind of frazzled, to say the
• 34:26
  Speaker: least.
• 34:26
  Speaker: Exactly.
• 34:26
  Speaker: You're not going to take your
• 34:27
  Speaker: fifty year old mama and your
• 34:29
  Speaker: little bitty, uh, two brothers
• 34:31
  Speaker: and, and sister out in the
• 34:34
  Speaker: middle of the night to the
• 34:35
  Speaker: police station seven miles down
• 34:36
  Speaker: the road.
• 34:37
  Speaker: If there isn't something happening there.
• 34:39
  Speaker: I wouldn't think so.
• 34:40
  Speaker: And then you don't.
• 34:41
  Speaker: And then you don't walk into a place and find it all shot up.
• 34:44
  Speaker: You know, they couldn't afford to shoot up their house and have
• 34:47
  Speaker: to refix it.
• 34:49
  Speaker: You know, there were poor people.
• 34:50
  Speaker: They couldn't do that.
• 34:51
  Speaker: You don't do that.
• 34:52
  Speaker: That's a good point.
• 34:53
  Speaker: Like, why would they have done that?
• 34:55
  Speaker: Yes.
• 34:56
  Speaker: Plus, you know, all the neighbors were hearing this.
• 34:58
  Speaker: In fact, one of the neighbors that lived behind them in the
• 35:01
  Speaker: next farm over heard the commotion going on and thought
• 35:04
  Speaker: they were having trouble with the animals or something.
• 35:06
  Speaker: He actually put on his boots, grabbed his flashlight and was
• 35:09
  Speaker: fixing head on out.
• 35:11
  Speaker: And then the gunshots started and he's like, nope, not gonna
• 35:16
  Speaker: have any of that, you know?
• 35:18
  Speaker: But I'll get shot before I get there.
• 35:20
  Speaker: No kidding.
• 35:20
  Speaker: Did that person see anything as far as like lights or hear, you
• 35:24
  Speaker: know, any of the see any creatures or anything like that
• 35:27
  Speaker: that I don't think they did.
• 35:28
  Speaker: They may have seen lights or something, but I don't know.
• 35:30
  Speaker: I know they didn't see any
• 35:31
  Speaker: creatures because they were the
• 35:33
  Speaker: only ones that saw the
• 35:34
  Speaker: creatures.
• 35:35
  Speaker: Nobody else seen the creatures.
• 35:37
  Speaker: And I've heard, I've heard so many different versions of the
• 35:39
  Speaker: story of heard.
• 35:40
  Speaker: You know, it's it's talked about
• 35:42
  Speaker: a lot among those in UFO, you
• 35:45
  Speaker: know, lore.
• 35:46
  Speaker: But what would you say is one of
• 35:47
  Speaker: the biggest misconceptions about
• 35:49
  Speaker: about what happened that night
• 35:50
  Speaker: that you hear over and over and
• 35:51
  Speaker: you're just like, that's not
• 35:52
  Speaker: what happened.
• 35:54
  Speaker: Is there something that's told
• 35:55
  Speaker: over and you're just, that's a
• 35:57
  Speaker: well, it's just the, the alcohol
• 35:59
  Speaker: thing.
• 36:00
  Speaker: Of course, that's one of the main questions I get asked at
• 36:02
  Speaker: every book thing I do.
• 36:05
  Speaker: Um, was there alcohol there that night?
• 36:06
  Speaker: No, there wasn't in the police report.
• 36:09
  Speaker: No alcohol was there.
• 36:10
  Speaker: They searched the premises.
• 36:12
  Speaker: Besides that, my grandmother was very, very religious.
• 36:15
  Speaker: She would not have alcohol around her kids.
• 36:18
  Speaker: So no, alcohol was not there.
• 36:20
  Speaker: And that is the that burns me up when people bring that up,
• 36:23
  Speaker: because the first thing people think Kentucky, it's hillbillies
• 36:28
  Speaker: and they got a moonshine still back in there.
• 36:30
  Speaker: Well, no, they didn't.
• 36:34
  Speaker: You know, my dad and Billy Ray didn't even live there.
• 36:37
  Speaker: They were on the road all the time.
• 36:38
  Speaker: The only ones that was there
• 36:39
  Speaker: with my grandmother and Uncle
• 36:41
  Speaker: Jake.
• 36:42
  Speaker: And ain't no way they could have done a moonshine still.
• 36:45
  Speaker: My grandmother wouldn't have done it anyway.
• 36:47
  Speaker: And your dad and your Billy Ray
• 36:49
  Speaker: worked at, uh, worked in
• 36:50
  Speaker: carnivals.
• 36:51
  Speaker: Is that right?
• 36:51
  Speaker: Yes.
• 36:52
  Speaker: Okay.
• 36:52
  Speaker: And they worked.
• 36:53
  Speaker: They were working in one in Evansville.
• 36:54
  Speaker: I guess, whenever all of this was going on.
• 36:56
  Speaker: It was stationed in Evansville
• 36:58
  Speaker: that that week weekend or
• 37:00
  Speaker: something.
• 37:01
  Speaker: Yep.
• 37:01
  Speaker: They traveled everywhere.
• 37:03
  Speaker: And then every was it every year there's, uh, the little green
• 37:07
  Speaker: men days down in Kelly.
• 37:08
  Speaker: What exactly what goes on down there?
• 37:10
  Speaker: What is that?
• 37:11
  Speaker: Well, there was until Covid hit, and ever since Covid, they
• 37:14
  Speaker: stopped doing it.
• 37:15
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 37:16
  Speaker: They haven't started back up.
• 37:17
  Speaker: I don't know if it ever is going to get started back up.
• 37:19
  Speaker: I think Covid kind of killed it
• 37:21
  Speaker: because it's all work and no
• 37:23
  Speaker: festivals.
• 37:25
  Speaker: Oh I bet.
• 37:26
  Speaker: Um, yeah, I mean, it is any money and work.
• 37:31
  Speaker: And I think they just kind of
• 37:33
  Speaker: eased off of it when Covid hit
• 37:36
  Speaker: and just haven't tried to do it
• 37:37
  Speaker: again.
• 37:37
  Speaker: I don't know, they'll try to do anything this year or not.
• 37:41
  Speaker: I wish they would because people really loved it.
• 37:43
  Speaker: I mean, it was nice little festival.
• 37:46
  Speaker: I'll have to check it out if they if they do it this year.
• 37:48
  Speaker: Yeah, it's pretty cool.
• 37:50
  Speaker: How are the neighbors and other
• 37:52
  Speaker: people in the towns around
• 37:53
  Speaker: there?
• 37:53
  Speaker: How did they treat your family after all of this?
• 37:56
  Speaker: Were they kind of ostracized or
• 37:58
  Speaker: made fun of or ridiculed, or did
• 38:01
  Speaker: people finally come around to
• 38:03
  Speaker: it?
• 38:03
  Speaker: Or how?
• 38:03
  Speaker: Well, you know, the people that
• 38:04
  Speaker: lived around there knew them the
• 38:06
  Speaker: best.
• 38:06
  Speaker: They knew better.
• 38:07
  Speaker: I mean, they knew that something happened that night.
• 38:10
  Speaker: They believed my grandmother
• 38:12
  Speaker: because of who she was for one,
• 38:14
  Speaker: um, Chief Greenwell, he believed
• 38:17
  Speaker: it wholeheartedly.
• 38:18
  Speaker: Another one of the officers, officer duties or duties or
• 38:23
  Speaker: whatever his name is.
• 38:25
  Speaker: Um, he believed it because both of them had experiences before
• 38:28
  Speaker: this happened and selves.
• 38:30
  Speaker: So they wholeheartedly, heartedly believed it.
• 38:32
  Speaker: And of course, like I said, the neighbors believed it because
• 38:34
  Speaker: they, they knew who they were.
• 38:36
  Speaker: Right.
• 38:37
  Speaker: And, um, the only people that really kind of laughed about it,
• 38:40
  Speaker: I think was outsiders, like people that lived in
• 38:43
  Speaker: Hopkinsville and, you know, other places kind of made well,
• 38:47
  Speaker: didn't kind of didn't make fun of it and didn't believe it.
• 38:50
  Speaker: And you know, which that's gonna
• 38:53
  Speaker: be even today, it's going to
• 38:55
  Speaker: happen.
• 38:56
  Speaker: But yeah, I mean, it's, it's quite a story that, I mean, I, I
• 39:01
  Speaker: could see why your dad was kind of like, we're not telling
• 39:03
  Speaker: anybody anything because this is just, we're going to be
• 39:05
  Speaker: ridiculed and you can't it's a no win situation, honestly.
• 39:09
  Speaker: Um, if you have something like that happen, they didn't have
• 39:11
  Speaker: cameras to take pictures of, of what was going on.
• 39:14
  Speaker: So they don't have any proof and right.
• 39:17
  Speaker: And they I probably wouldn't
• 39:18
  Speaker: have thought about taking
• 39:19
  Speaker: pictures even if they had of
• 39:21
  Speaker: because well, yeah, to them that
• 39:23
  Speaker: was terrifying.
• 39:24
  Speaker: I mean, you guys think, okay, Matt, think about this.
• 39:27
  Speaker: If you're sitting at home, right?
• 39:29
  Speaker: I like to think of it this way.
• 39:31
  Speaker: If you're sitting at home and
• 39:32
  Speaker: you're sitting there watching
• 39:33
  Speaker: TV, not bothering nobody, just
• 39:37
  Speaker: taking it easy and all of a
• 39:38
  Speaker: sudden here you look toward one
• 39:40
  Speaker: of your windows and there stands
• 39:41
  Speaker: a little three foot tall, being
• 39:42
  Speaker: with big yellow eyes looking in
• 39:44
  Speaker: at you.
• 39:44
  Speaker: Oh, yeah.
• 39:45
  Speaker: Are you going to do.
• 39:46
  Speaker: Oh, I'm out.
• 39:46
  Speaker: I'm, I'm.
• 39:47
  Speaker: I'm gone.
• 39:48
  Speaker: Exactly.
• 39:49
  Speaker: Exactly.
• 39:50
  Speaker: I'm not grabbing a camera.
• 39:51
  Speaker: I'm probably just gonna run.
• 39:53
  Speaker: Exactly.
• 39:54
  Speaker: And you know, that kills me also, because people will tell
• 39:57
  Speaker: me, oh, if I were in that situation, I would have invited
• 40:00
  Speaker: them in the house, or I would have shook their head.
• 40:03
  Speaker: Right.
• 40:03
  Speaker: And I'm like, no, you wouldn't
• 40:05
  Speaker: if you would have dropped
• 40:06
  Speaker: everything, peed your pants, ran
• 40:07
  Speaker: and hide.
• 40:10
  Speaker: It does make you wonder what they were doing because, I mean,
• 40:12
  Speaker: they just they were they kept coming, even though they were
• 40:13
  Speaker: being shot at.
• 40:14
  Speaker: They weren't really it didn't seem like they were attacking
• 40:17
  Speaker: necessarily, but they were just like curious or something.
• 40:20
  Speaker: Um, yes.
• 40:21
  Speaker: Weird.
• 40:21
  Speaker: And that's what my grandmother
• 40:22
  Speaker: was thinking too, because my
• 40:24
  Speaker: grandmother, being the person
• 40:25
  Speaker: she was, she was soft hearted
• 40:26
  Speaker: about everything.
• 40:27
  Speaker: Right.
• 40:27
  Speaker: And she thought, well, what if
• 40:31
  Speaker: these little things were in
• 40:32
  Speaker: trouble?
• 40:33
  Speaker: What if they needed help?
• 40:34
  Speaker: Well, my dad, being the man he was, was like, we don't know
• 40:40
  Speaker: what these are.
• 40:40
  Speaker: We don't know what they want.
• 40:42
  Speaker: I'm not letting them in the house to say, you know, well,
• 40:46
  Speaker: it's not like you guys can help fix their ship or something if
• 40:48
  Speaker: it's broken down anyway.
• 40:49
  Speaker: So it's like, there's no good that can come from this.
• 40:52
  Speaker: Exactly.
• 40:53
  Speaker: You know, why are these little creatures, you know, are they
• 40:55
  Speaker: here to eat us?
• 40:56
  Speaker: What?
• 40:57
  Speaker: You know?
• 40:57
  Speaker: Oh. No kidding.
• 40:58
  Speaker: So, you know, that was his thing.
• 41:01
  Speaker: Shoot first and ask questions later.
• 41:03
  Speaker: Yeah, I can I can definitely understand.
• 41:05
  Speaker: What advice would you have for
• 41:07
  Speaker: someone who may have a story to
• 41:09
  Speaker: tell, but they're afraid to do
• 41:11
  Speaker: so because they're afraid of
• 41:12
  Speaker: being ridiculed.
• 41:12
  Speaker: What advice would you give for that person?
• 41:15
  Speaker: Just find somebody that's going to listen to you, because that's
• 41:19
  Speaker: a big thing.
• 41:20
  Speaker: Because every time I go
• 41:21
  Speaker: somewhere to do a book thing or
• 41:25
  Speaker: whatever, um, um, I have people
• 41:28
  Speaker: come up to me and tell me a
• 41:29
  Speaker: story never fails because I will
• 41:33
  Speaker: listen.
• 41:34
  Speaker: Just find somebody that will listen to you and, you know, not
• 41:39
  Speaker: laugh at you.
• 41:40
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 41:40
  Speaker: There's going to be that person
• 41:41
  Speaker: out there that's not going to
• 41:43
  Speaker: laugh at you, believe me,
• 41:44
  Speaker: because you would be surprised
• 41:46
  Speaker: that people that are walking
• 41:47
  Speaker: around out here that have a
• 41:49
  Speaker: story, that is afraid to say
• 41:52
  Speaker: anything.
• 41:53
  Speaker: I'd say most everybody has some sort of weird story.
• 41:55
  Speaker: They've they've had that they just keep to themselves.
• 41:58
  Speaker: Everybody does.
• 41:58
  Speaker: Yes, yes.
• 41:59
  Speaker: Whether it's lights in the sky.
• 42:02
  Speaker: Um, you know, I had a girl that I used to work with.
• 42:04
  Speaker: She used to go to the next town over to a community college at
• 42:09
  Speaker: night time after work.
• 42:11
  Speaker: And she said one night after work, there was these red lights
• 42:15
  Speaker: following her, you know.
• 42:16
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 42:17
  Speaker: The from town to town.
• 42:19
  Speaker: This is country.
• 42:20
  Speaker: So, you know, this is a big long country forty five minute drive.
• 42:25
  Speaker: And so, you know, she had these red lights following her.
• 42:29
  Speaker: She didn't know what they were.
• 42:30
  Speaker: They scared her to death.
• 42:31
  Speaker: She couldn't tell what it was.
• 42:32
  Speaker: It wasn't a car.
• 42:34
  Speaker: You know, a car wouldn't have red lights in the front of it.
• 42:36
  Speaker: And you know, what was it?
• 42:38
  Speaker: You know, if I have had people
• 42:39
  Speaker: tell me they seen something just
• 42:43
  Speaker: come out of the sky and just
• 42:45
  Speaker: come right down in the street,
• 42:48
  Speaker: you know, just crazy stuff like
• 42:49
  Speaker: that.
• 42:50
  Speaker: You know, I've seen lights that can't be explained.
• 42:53
  Speaker: Everybody, just about everybody has had some kind of experience,
• 42:57
  Speaker: whether it be something like that or extraterrestrial.
• 43:02
  Speaker: I mean, uh, paranormal.
• 43:04
  Speaker: Um, I've had people come to me
• 43:05
  Speaker: and tell me about Bigfoot
• 43:07
  Speaker: stories.
• 43:08
  Speaker: It's a, it's a whole big world out there.
• 43:10
  Speaker: There's all kinds of stuff going on.
• 43:11
  Speaker: It's fascinating.
• 43:12
  Speaker: Yeah, I agree.
• 43:13
  Speaker: What makes it exciting?
• 43:15
  Speaker: That's right and I agree.
• 43:16
  Speaker: I think that's great advice.
• 43:17
  Speaker: Just find somebody who will listen.
• 43:18
  Speaker: And everyone else can just kind
• 43:19
  Speaker: of slowly wander away and shake
• 43:21
  Speaker: their heads.
• 43:21
  Speaker: But talk, talk, talk to the
• 43:23
  Speaker: people that want to listen to
• 43:24
  Speaker: it.
• 43:25
  Speaker: Exactly.
• 43:27
  Speaker: Geraldine, I want to thank you
• 43:28
  Speaker: again for taking time out of
• 43:29
  Speaker: your day to tell this fantastic
• 43:31
  Speaker: story.
• 43:31
  Speaker: I really appreciate it.
• 43:33
  Speaker: Well, I appreciate you asking.
• 43:35
  Speaker: It's like I said, it's a good story.
• 43:36
  Speaker: And any day you can talk about the Green Man is a good day.
• 43:48
  Speaker: She is such a gifted storyteller.
• 43:49
  Speaker: I could just listen to her for hours.
• 43:51
  Speaker: Love it.
• 43:53
  Speaker: If you're interested in picking up any of Geraldine's books,
• 43:55
  Speaker: check out my show notes, which you can find at River City
• 43:58
  Speaker: Mystery dot com.
• 44:00
  Speaker: You'll find all the links there.
• 44:03
  Speaker: Thanks so much for listening, I appreciate it, and until next
• 44:06
  Speaker: time, take care.