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The Guest (2014) · Beyond The Blood: A Horror Movie Commentary Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Ever have that one movie everyone assumes you've seen, but
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  Speaker 1: you haven't?
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  Speaker 2: You know the one. The classic. The cult favorite.
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  Speaker 1: The how-have-you-not-seen-that movie. Welcome to The Shameless Picture Show. Twice
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  Speaker 1: a month, I sit down with the guests who finally
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  Speaker 1: cross one of those films off our shame lists. Sometimes
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  Speaker 1: it's their first watch, and sometimes it's mine. But sometimes, it's.
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  Speaker 3: New for both of us. Then we dive in. The characters.
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  Speaker 2: The craft.
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  Speaker 1: The cultural impact. and whether it actually lives up to
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  Speaker 1: the hype. From legendary classics to cult oddities to the
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  Speaker 1: films we somehow missed along the way, join us as
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  Speaker 1: we turn movie shame into movie discussion. This is The
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  Speaker 1: Shameless Picture Show.
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  Speaker 3: You are now listening to the Someone's Favorite Productions Podcast Network.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you. Thank you. Why, she wanted me to check
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  Speaker 4: out that plastic surgeon in Florida. She wanted to know
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  Speaker 4: what the connection was there. Yeah, I mean, why would
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  Speaker 4: I need a plastic surgeon, right? I want to change
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  Speaker 4: your appearance.
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  Speaker 3: Like the bones in your face.
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  Speaker 4: And you'd be, scarp your fingers so you don't have prints.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, at least that's what I figured. I know
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  Speaker 4: you're not.
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  Speaker 5: Really David Collins. I looked him up right after I
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  Speaker 5: said that. So maybe you don't want people to know
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  Speaker 5: who you are. A doctor who'd do that sort of
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  Speaker 5: thing is probably pretty rare. I mean, there's probably rules
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  Speaker 5: against it. But that doctor, well, I guess he needs
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  Speaker 5: the money, so he'd do that kind of work.
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  Speaker 4: That's an interesting theory.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome back to a brand new episode of the Beyond
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  Speaker 3: the Blood podcast. You know, we're back, and... The thing
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  Speaker 3: that I love most about doing this show is not
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  Speaker 3: just my incredible host, Steve from After Hours Video. How
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  Speaker 3: are you, man?
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  Speaker 2: Wonderful. How are you doing tonight? Good, dude.
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  Speaker 5: Good.
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  Speaker 3: The second thing I love most about doing this show
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  Speaker 3: is just going back into movies that I love. And
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  Speaker 3: I think The Guest is a movie that we both love.
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  Speaker 2: I felt like we were pretty unanimous in picking this
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  Speaker 2: one out. I know we've been, you know, every time
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  Speaker 2: that we wrap up one of these episodes, we're already
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  Speaker 2: on to, like, the next one that we're going to cover,
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  Speaker 2: whether it's through our mainstay episodes or staff picks. But
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  Speaker 2: I was really excited to finally cover this film. This
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  Speaker 2: is a more recent favorite, and it seemed appropriate with
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  Speaker 2: Onslaught being in theaters right now. Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: We decided this week. we wanted to talk about not one,
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  Speaker 3: but two commentary tracks for The Guest from 2014, directed
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  Speaker 3: by Adam Wingard. This is a movie that I've always
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  Speaker 3: had like a strong love for. I had a DVD
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  Speaker 3: for a long time until the second site release came out.
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  Speaker 3: And actually, that release of The Guest was one of
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  Speaker 3: the first, like, not the first, but kind of like
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  Speaker 3: one of the first, like maybe like first 10 deluxe
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  Speaker 3: edition 4ks I had picked up with the booklet and
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  Speaker 3: the 4k soundtrack and all that good stuff. Um, and
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  Speaker 3: this was the first ever second site films title that I,
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  Speaker 3: that I had picked up. Um, but how, how did,
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  Speaker 3: because the guest has always been considered a little bit
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  Speaker 3: more of like a cult hit.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like more people, more people are, are, are
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  Speaker 3: unaware of it or maybe we've heard of it than
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  Speaker 3: have actually seen it oddly enough because the movie is
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  Speaker 3: so good. What's your history with this one?
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  Speaker 2: This one, I was familiar with Wingard's work with You're Next.
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  Speaker 2: I saw that in theater and just naturally seeing what
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  Speaker 2: upcoming projects he had after the success of that film.
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  Speaker 2: I remember being up at school when this came out
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  Speaker 2: and I was pleasantly surprised. I definitely picked up on
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  Speaker 2: that heavy Terminator, Halloween influence. There's a lot about this
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  Speaker 2: film that I felt resonated with me. I know before
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  Speaker 2: we jumped on here, it's been interesting to see Adam
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  Speaker 2: Wingard's career trajectory since the success of this and your next,
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  Speaker 2: but nonetheless, you have to give his roses where they're due,
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  Speaker 2: for sure. What about you?
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  Speaker 3: I actually thought for the longest time, I thought the
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  Speaker 3: guests came out after your next, because I felt like
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  Speaker 3: I had heard so much more about your next, like,
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  Speaker 3: or I'm sorry, maybe I got that backwards. I thought
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  Speaker 3: you did. I was like, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't they?
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  Speaker 3: Wait, when did your next come out? I'm lost now.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. I thought your next came out first or did it.
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  Speaker 2: So your next was 2011. Okay. And then the guest
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  Speaker 2: was 2014.
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  Speaker 3: Man, I'm getting this all messed up. I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: completely just edit that out.
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  Speaker 2: This is what happens when we're recording late at night.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not going to edit. This is all wrong. I,
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  Speaker 3: for some reason, knew of Your Next substantially more than
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  Speaker 3: The Guest. Like, I owned Your Next on Blu-ray. For
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  Speaker 3: some reason, for a long time, completely missed The Guest.
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  Speaker 3: And I guess that's because at that time... I was
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  Speaker 3: such a horror guy. I wasn't watching much else. And
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  Speaker 3: the guests kind of didn't really land in like this.
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  Speaker 3: Clearly it's not a slasher movie, but it didn't really
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  Speaker 3: land on, on kind of like the radar that I
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  Speaker 3: was looking at. You know what I mean? As much
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  Speaker 3: as your next, uh, did, but it's a movie that
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  Speaker 3: over the past, what's it been now? 12 years since
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  Speaker 3: this has come out has really kind of hit, uh,
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  Speaker 3: a cult, status more than most have. And watching it now,
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  Speaker 3: I feel like it's kind of become a bit of a,
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  Speaker 3: like a contemporary film. It holds up so well by
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  Speaker 3: like today's standards and 20, like looking back at it
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  Speaker 3: from like what it did in 2014, which was not well,
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  Speaker 3: the audiences, this movie did not perform well at the
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  Speaker 3: box office. It got terrible test scores. Um, But I
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  Speaker 3: was watching it today with my wife and I was like, fuck,
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  Speaker 3: this movie held up incredibly well over the last decade
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  Speaker 3: plus since it's come out.
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  Speaker 2: Both this and your next. I don't know why for
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  Speaker 2: some reason I always associate with discovering this film right
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  Speaker 2: around the time It Follows came out. And it felt
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  Speaker 2: like around that time we were getting a rapid succession
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  Speaker 2: of cult horror films that were turning out to be
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  Speaker 2: I would say a debut for Not necessarily in this case,
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  Speaker 2: but for other directors that were making their mark on
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  Speaker 2: the horror genre. But yeah, this film definitely held up
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  Speaker 2: for sure.
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  Speaker 3: And I saw, too, there's a soundtrack out for The
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  Speaker 3: Guest 2, even though there is no The Guest 2.
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  Speaker 2: I saw that.
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  Speaker 3: Which always threw me off because I remember seeing that
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  Speaker 3: and kind of like instantly being like, wait, did I
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  Speaker 3: miss something here?
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  Speaker 2: It's a really creative choice to basically create a spiritual
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  Speaker 2: sequel soundtrack.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But nonetheless, I definitely have to appreciate the level of
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  Speaker 2: creativity that went into that. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Well, before we dive into both of these commentary tracks,
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  Speaker 3: we have a lot to cover in that department. I
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  Speaker 3: did not run this by you beforehand. I figured let's
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  Speaker 3: try something new. Have you gotten anything in, man? Anything
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  Speaker 3: new you got in the collection or anything you've been
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  Speaker 3: watching you want to talk about real quick?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, man. Recently, just to name a couple movies off
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  Speaker 2: the top of my head, I had a chance to
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  Speaker 2: check out Student Bodies. Really enjoyed that film. I watched
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  Speaker 2: Vampire's Kiss with Nicolas Cage. That's a fun movie of
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  Speaker 2: unknown origin. I watched that. It's pretty solid. Yeah. Night School.
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  Speaker 2: I was so happy to finally watch Night School. That
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  Speaker 2: was probably my favorite out of the bunch, so I
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  Speaker 2: highly recommend checking that out. And then I watched Lady
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  Speaker 2: in White. very, uh, very atmospheric, creepy movie. But, um,
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  Speaker 2: I think that that covers most of the movies I've
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  Speaker 2: watched recently. What about you?
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  Speaker 3: It sounds like you didn't love lady in white.
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  Speaker 2: That and of unknown origin. I feel like I need
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  Speaker 2: to give another watch.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Sounds.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Sounds like you need to do that sometimes.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Um, yeah, dude, I've been watching a couple of things. I, uh,
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  Speaker 3: I decided for September, I wanted to, uh, kind of
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  Speaker 3: dive back into, uh, Dario Argento's filmography. So I've been
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  Speaker 3: watching a bunch of his stuff. I started off with
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  Speaker 3: bird with the crystal plumage. It went to cat and
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  Speaker 3: nine tails. Um, I took a break in between to
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  Speaker 3: watch Joe D'Amato's absurd, uh, which I think is probably
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  Speaker 3: become one of my favorite slasher movies of all time.
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  Speaker 3: Love that movie. I watched four flies on gray velvet.
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  Speaker 2: Another great choice.
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  Speaker 3: And then I got into, and I don't know if
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  Speaker 3: you picked this set up seven released a set or
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  Speaker 3: one release a couple of years ago, maybe last year,
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  Speaker 3: maybe the year before called Dario Argento's deep cuts.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't pick it up. I know what you're talking
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  Speaker 2: about though.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's four, like, 58-minute long made-for-TV giallos, two
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  Speaker 3: of them directed by Luigi Casi, two of them directed
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  Speaker 3: by Dario Argento, and I watched both of his. I
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  Speaker 3: watched The Tram and then Eyewitness.
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  Speaker 2: They're okay.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're okay. I did watch one of Luigi Casi's,
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  Speaker 3: which is called The Neighbor. It's decent. You know, nothing crazy.
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  Speaker 3: I definitely think the restriction... There's kind of something funny
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  Speaker 3: that happens. It feels... it feels restricted because it's stuck
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  Speaker 3: into an hour, but like they also feel padded. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: So it's, it's kind of like, thank God these movies
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  Speaker 3: weren't 90 plus minutes because they would have been an
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  Speaker 3: absolute chore to get through. Cause even at 58 minutes,
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  Speaker 3: they were pretty, you know, but, uh, you know, not bad.
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  Speaker 3: Interesting to kind of see, it feels like a major
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  Speaker 3: step down for Argento, you know, post four flies on
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  Speaker 3: gray velvet to do two, just okay episodes of television but.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah i feel like the made for tv movies or
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  Speaker 2: the tv segments that they they put out you know
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  Speaker 2: for i guess it depends on the director uh but
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  Speaker 2: it could be kind of hit or miss i would
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  Speaker 2: say with the quality they were getting out of it
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  Speaker 2: i mean i noticed that with um it was a
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  Speaker 2: cauldron box set that we had recently.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, the Bravito Jallo.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Um, some of those, I felt like were, it was
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  Speaker 2: a little lukewarm on, but yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Cause then you also have, uh, the house of horrors,
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  Speaker 3: which has probably one of Fulci's worst films as a
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  Speaker 3: part of, which is.
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  Speaker 2: The, is it the house of doom box set.
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  Speaker 3: Or the, I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: The house of doom box set. Is it, What's the
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  Speaker 3: one Fulci film on there with the children?
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  Speaker 2: Is it the....
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  Speaker 3: It's not House of Clocks. It's the second one.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I thought it was, but maybe.
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  Speaker 3: No, House of Clocks is the... House of Clocks is
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  Speaker 3: really good. It's the second one in the set with
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  Speaker 3: the kids.
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  Speaker 2: I know which one you're talking about. Yeah, that one
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  Speaker 2: didn't really quite land for me.
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  Speaker 3: And at the end, there's like a bulldozer spinning in the...
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. That's really weird.
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  Speaker 2: So you're saying we're going to cover that box set
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  Speaker 2: on Beyond the Blood.
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  Speaker 3: What I'm saying is I sold mine. But one day,
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  Speaker 3: if I ever get it back, I did.
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  Speaker 2: Really? I like that one.
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  Speaker 3: I also sold Bravito's Yellow.
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  Speaker 2: I don't even know you, man.
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  Speaker 3: We have strangers at this point, man. Speaking of strangers, though,
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  Speaker 3: The Guest. Yeah. Good segue, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, yeah. Listen, I will say I would not
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  Speaker 2: be as trusting as the Pearson family if some rando
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  Speaker 2: came to the door and claiming that he knew my brother.
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  Speaker 2: You're not getting in.
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  Speaker 3: I show up and I'm like, hey, man, I I
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  Speaker 3: was really good friends with the co-host of your podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Dude, you've got a backpack on, you're huffing, you know,
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  Speaker 2: no big deal. Just basically ran, what, like 10 miles
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  Speaker 2: from the bus stop?
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  Speaker 3: All right, so before we really get into this, we
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  Speaker 3: checked out two commentary tracks that are available in this
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  Speaker 3: 4K release from Second Sight Films. The first commentary track
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  Speaker 3: you listened to, this was from 2014. Right before the
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  Speaker 3: film was released. Yep, it contained director Adam Wingard and
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  Speaker 3: Simon Barrett. And then I checked out the 2021 commentary
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  Speaker 3: with Adam Wingard and Simon Barrett. That was right as
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  Speaker 3: this release was getting ready to come out. So we
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  Speaker 3: have seven years between our commentary tracks. And a very
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  Speaker 3: interesting perspective shift as pre the guest release and then
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  Speaker 3: seven years post the guest release. from these tracks. So
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  Speaker 3: I think we're going to be talking a lot about
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  Speaker 3: kind of how the film has changed for them or
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  Speaker 3: how they see the movie a little bit different just
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  Speaker 3: based on some of the notes that I have that
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  Speaker 3: I put together. But to get right into it, I
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  Speaker 3: want to talk about three quarters of our entire cast
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  Speaker 3: of this movie or three quarters of our initial family.
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  Speaker 3: Literally right at the film's opening, we're introduced to the
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  Speaker 3: father of Spencer Peterson. He is played by Leland Orser.
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  Speaker 3: We have the mother, Laura Peterson, played by Sheila Kelly.
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  Speaker 3: And then their son, Luke Peterson, played by Brendan Meyer.
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  Speaker 3: We're introduced to them pretty much right away. And one
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  Speaker 3: thing that I loved about the beginning of this commentary
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  Speaker 3: track was that Adam Wingard kicks us off by stating
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  Speaker 3: how this specific Second Sight 4K release is a brand
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  Speaker 3: new color grade. That, in his words... is pretty different
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  Speaker 3: from the original blu-ray release and he considers this version
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  Speaker 3: to be like his definitive styling of the film interesting
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  Speaker 3: um yeah there's a couple things that he did there's
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  Speaker 3: there's uh two moments during the party sequence about halfway
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  Speaker 3: through the movie where he adds a little bit of
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  Speaker 3: like a post-production zoom that you would never think came
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  Speaker 3: from post-production. He said it was something they weren't able
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  Speaker 3: to do on set because they weren't using zoom lenses. Um,
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  Speaker 3: and then in one other moment at the end of
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  Speaker 3: the movie, when they blew, when he blows up the
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  Speaker 3: diner that Anna works at or Anne works at, they
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  Speaker 3: added camera shake, which wasn't there before.
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  Speaker 4: Interesting.
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  Speaker 2: I don't. And that's the funny thing is, it's like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think most of us would notice the difference.
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  Speaker 2: You wouldn't.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you wouldn't. And he goes on to explain that
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  Speaker 3: he did all this because they had a really rushed
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  Speaker 3: post-production schedule. Once the film got accepted to Sundance, they
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  Speaker 3: were still in post-production, and then they kind of had
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  Speaker 3: to rush their way to get ready for it. So
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  Speaker 3: the visual style of what was shown theatrically and on
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  Speaker 3: the Blu-ray was very different. He had no idea if
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  Speaker 3: he would ever get a chance to go back in
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  Speaker 3: and kind of get it to where he wanted it to.
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  Speaker 3: And he mentions just kind of in broad strokes that
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  Speaker 3: the 4K is much more contrasty than the Blu-ray and
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  Speaker 3: the theatrical, which is what he wanted. There's also a
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  Speaker 3: higher grain ratio as well, because he wanted that little
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  Speaker 3: bit more of a filmic look that he didn't have before.
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  Speaker 3: So he's a big fan of what he did for
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  Speaker 3: this 4K release. And I am too. I think it
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  Speaker 3: looks terrific.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting to hear his thoughts. on the follow-up
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  Speaker 2: commentary that he did, you know, with, uh, Simon Barrett
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  Speaker 2: all those years later, especially because a lot of this
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  Speaker 2: stuff obviously wasn't alluded to at the time since, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the 4k wasn't out, but, um, yeah, I definitely feel like,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this, this opening helps us establish, you know, the,
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  Speaker 2: the family dynamic that's obviously there, you know, where, um,
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  Speaker 2: shortly thereafter, we were obviously introduced to a stranger that
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  Speaker 2: appears at the door and, and that's, uh, basically our
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  Speaker 2: main antagonist, David that shows up and he claims to
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  Speaker 2: have known the Pearson's, uh, deceased son, Caleb.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's, uh, kind of alluded to, obviously that there had
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  Speaker 2: been something that had been going on. I believe that the, uh,
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  Speaker 2: The mother had been looking at the picture that she
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  Speaker 2: had of her son, but she invites him in. And
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  Speaker 2: one thing that I thought was interesting about this, I
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  Speaker 2: believe the film was filmed in New Mexico during the summer,
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  Speaker 2: and they're obviously going for that fall atmosphere. You kind
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  Speaker 2: of see it very organically here. shown that this is
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  Speaker 2: supposed to take place around Halloween, but what I thought
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  Speaker 2: was fascinating was Adam Wingard mentioning that he doesn't see
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  Speaker 2: a lot of films that show this aesthetic of being
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  Speaker 2: out in the atmosphere when Halloween's rolling around most of
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  Speaker 2: the time we usually see kind of the suburbia type
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  Speaker 2: feel that picturesque look and it was a good point
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  Speaker 2: I guess he's right we really don't see that in
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  Speaker 2: a lot of horror movies or Halloween movies in general
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  Speaker 2: so I thought that was pretty cool.
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  Speaker 3: I like how throughout this movie, the, the Halloween atmosphere
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  Speaker 3: outside of the third act where you get to the
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  Speaker 3: like Halloween dance that the high school is holding, the
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  Speaker 3: Halloween stuff is very kind of like, it feels organic
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  Speaker 3: to the time of the story, not just put in
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: because it's Halloween.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: Like we see them carving a pumpkin, you know, the
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: mom's going to make a pumpkin pie. There's some slight
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: like fall decorations around, but it's, it's not in your
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: face that it's, taking place during Halloween. It's very organic
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: in that time. Um, obviously David played by the incredible
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: Dan Stevens. Uh, is this, I don't know how big
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: of a Dan Stevens fan you are. Is this your
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: favorite role of his?
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: Oh man. Let me take a look. What else?
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: He, I mean, I did love him in a, I
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: think it was two years ago now or last year, Abigail. Right.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: That's the only other film that I can think of
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: off the top of my head that I know he
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: was a standout in out of the films I've seen.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: I really liked him in Legion. I don't know if
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: you ever had a chance to see that.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Legion. Trying to think of what else before I
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: go looking, what else I might have popped in. Oh yeah,
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: he was in Cuckoo. He was in that from a
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: couple years ago. Oh, he is the brother in The
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: Rental from 2020. He's good in The Rental. Very kind
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: of straightforward character. Nothing crazy. He's fine. Have you ever
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: seen a movie directed by Gareth Evans? It was a
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: Netflix movie called Apostle. Have you ever seen that?
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: I know of it. I don't think I ever had
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: a chance to check it out. Is it good?
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, very good. I have a mod Blu-ray of it.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: That's really good. I'm trying to see what else.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: He was also in Onslaught.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I haven't seen Onslaught yet.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: I haven't either, and I was hoping to have a
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: chance to watch it before we recorded this, but.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: He was in Night at the Museum, too.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Is that your favorite role by him?
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: As Sir Lancelot.
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: 2014.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, this is, I think, by far my
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: favorite role of his. He is pretty perfect in this.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a standout, for sure.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: It's amazing how well he pulls off the kind of
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: stereotypical meaning like the look and the attitude of like a,
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: you know, us army vet, because what's interesting about the
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: guest is that every time you, every time you rewatch
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: this movie, you can kind of perceive it a little
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: bit differently. And one thing that I kind of noticed
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: this time, and especially with the commentary alert is that
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: the super soldier part of him is sort of like
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: an addition, So he was... He's kind of received this
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: additional training and this additional kind of wiring. But most
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: of him is still there. That's who that guy always was.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: He still has his personality in there, his conscious, his thoughts.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: All of his stuff is in there. Then just the
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: super soldier stuff at the end of the movie takes over.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: And... I had never really thought about that before. I've
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: watched this movie as like, he's a full on, like
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: almost like Android the whole time. And watching this movie
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: from the perspective of this guy is him, but he's
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: just sort of has this other side of him hardwired
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: into him. That's not very controllable. really made me appreciate
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: his performance more and his character more because I kind
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: of noticed that not everything he was doing was with
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: malicious intent. There was good intention in everything he was doing.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I thought it was interesting because I can't
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: remember if it was Adam Wingard or Simon Barrett that
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: pointed out that David's character is essentially like an inverse
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Michael Myers character in a lot of ways, just with, like,
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: you know, what he's capable of doing and that, you know,
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: obviously they're almost seems like two sides of the coin
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: with what they're capable of. But, yeah, I think going
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: back and watching it, I never really noticed, like, you know,
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: just this minor detail is, you know, David, he has
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: a hoodie on. It has a KPG icon on it.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Something as subtle as that, you know, you obviously... don't realize,
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: I'm sure, you know, what transpired before this or why
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: he has that hoodie, but I'm sure that, you know,
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: he probably killed some people, you know, to get his
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: hands on that hoodie, so.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: Well, there's something, too, that I never really thought of
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: is that, and this is brought up by Simon Barrett
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: in this commentary track, is kind of talking about how
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: if you really pay attention, especially with Luke, the younger brother.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: He's almost training Luke to defeat, giving him the skills
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: and the knowledge essential to defeat him when the super
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: soldier side takes over at the end of the movie.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: He's sort of like toughening him up, knowing that like, hey,
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: if this other side gets activated here, like not saying like, oh,
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: it's going to happen. Obviously, he's trying to keep it
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: a secret the whole movie, but almost kind of being like, hey, here's,
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: you know, the butterfly knife. Here is, you know, fight back,
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: defend yourself, kind of giving him these tools that he'll
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: need to one day, you know, fight back against David
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: with if it ever got to that, which obviously it does.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: And then we do see Luke and and kind of
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: use these tools back against him. So it's interesting watching
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: it that way. I never put it together like that.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I, I think, you know, you see in
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: that instance, I mean, there's, there's definitely a lot of
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: character development that we get with a lot of these, uh,
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: you know, actors and actresses that we're seeing over the
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: course of the film. I mean, especially with Luke.
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: It's pretty cool to see his arc basically come full circle.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: He basically has to, um, toughen himself up against the
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: bullies that have been, you know, teasing him at school.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: And then, you know, David being essentially the last one
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: that he has to, um, you know, take on.
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: Well, during this whole opening scene of the movie, there's
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: interesting back and forth between Adam and Simon about how
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: they had recorded that original commentary track that you listened
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: to before the film's release and before the lackluster box
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: office response. And now they are recording this one during
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: a theatrical re-release because the films kind of achieved this
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: cult status. And that's really cool. That must be really
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: awesome to see as a director that your film has
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: finally found the audience and the love. And it's so
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: timed around these two instances that you're recording these commentary tracks.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I'm sure that, you know, given that the
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: one I listened to was, you know, before this film
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: was set to be released, uh, it's interesting to hear
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: their critique on the film and certain things that Adam
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: Wingard didn't care for, which he could have done a
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: little bit better. And, you know, to see that this
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: film would go on to become, I think, a film
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: that has obviously a cult following and has gotten a
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: lot of praise in hindsight. It's pretty cool to see,
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: you know, how the two contrast with one another.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: And interestingly enough, he actually mentions how if he could
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: go back this would be the movie that he would
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: change the most about currently, like where he's at as
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: a filmmaker. Um, specifically he talks about the kitchen set
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: where David and Laura are talking in the beginning of
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: the movie. And I said that we see a lot
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: throughout the movie.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: Um, and he's pretty like adamant about how boring the,
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: the design of the set is and the lighting. He
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: mentions how like, they did a lot of top down lighting.
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: And now if he, you know, with the, with what
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: he's learned, he would have done lighting in from windows
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: and this and that. Um, which I think that's like, we,
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: I mean, not to say it's the same thing, but like,
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: I look back at season one of our show and
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: a year later and say like, Hey, this is what
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: I would have done differently. I think that's, I think
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: it's normal. Um, but I think, I think all that
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: stuff is perfect as is, man. I think that, you know,
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: what you intended to do at the time, even if
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: it wasn't what exactly what you had envisioned, um, you know,
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: still worked well. And I don't wish the movie to
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: be any different than it is, no matter how many
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: movies he directs.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: Uh, let me ask you, because we have, Another standout
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: in this film, Micah Monroe, who plays Anna. Was this
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: one of the first films that you had a chance
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: to check out that she was in?
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: I had seen It Follows before this.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: Same.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: So that was the first big one. She's one who...
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: It's really cool to see her trajectory. And It Follows
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: and The Guest are still kind of the two movies
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: I go to the most. And I feel like maybe...
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: Long Legs is kind of creeping up in there.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: That's a good one. That's terrific.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Now she's in that movie, Victorian Psycho. That's coming out.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: Which I think is kind of like a Victorian era
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: slasher movie. But she looks pretty much right in part
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: with that one. Trying to remember offhand if there's any
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: other projects with her that I really....
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: Let's see.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: Micah Monroe.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: She was so good in Long Legs.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Long Legs.
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, man.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: Dude, she was in the second Independence Day movie.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm okay.
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: Oh, that.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: Oh, dude, 2023. She was in a movie called God
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: is a Bullet.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: I never saw that.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: This is directed by Nick Cassavetes, who did... He played... Uh,
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: Dietrich Hessler in face off.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Hmm. Okay.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: He directed this movie called God is a bullet and
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: it's like two hours and 38 minutes long. Uh, Jamie
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: Foxx is in it as a character named, uh, the ferryman.
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: Really?
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: Okay. Yeah. It's two hours. Yeah. Two hours and 36 minutes.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: And it's wicked, dude. It's a really, really wicked thriller.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: I forgot. I completely forgot she was in that.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: I have to check that out.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: Oh, she was in Watcher. That was on Shudder. That
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: was not great, but, you know, she was in it.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: That's encouraging.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, she was in The Fifth Wave.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: I have to say, I mean, her character in this,
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: I think, is more along the lines, I feel like
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: represents the audience, being a little bit more standoffish, not
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: quite ready to just wholeheartedly trust a stranger that's basically
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: been invited into their home and it seems like everyone's
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: taken a liking to david you know whether it's uh
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: spencer or luke or even laura they all seem to
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: really embrace david i think a lot of it stems
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: from you know they obviously lost a son huge part
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: of their family and i feel like in a way
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: like they're just in their own ways, so desperate to
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: fill that void that they're willing to overlook a lot
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: of things. Whereas with her, uh, I would say a
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: lot of distrust, you know, not, not so quick to just, uh,
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: embrace them.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah. She seems to be kind of, um, you know, she's,
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: she's on kind of a slightly different wavelength than everybody else. She's, um,
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: dating this guy named Zeke, who's a little bit of a,
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: I guess he's like a kind of a drug dealer
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: or is a drug dealer. And the parents kind of
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: banned her from seeing him yet. She still is. I mean,
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: both times that we see her character outside of the house,
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: she's smoking weed with him on the, on the, you know, at,
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: at the swing set, you know, she's at the party. Like,
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: she seems to have kind of, like, a little bit
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: more of, like, maybe a rebellious, you know, attitude, which,
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: after the loss of her brother, could absolutely be, you know,
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: something she did, or maybe it's just something that she
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: feels with her family. There is some mentions in this
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: movie that there isn't a perfect family dynamic. Luke makes
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: a mention real quick at one point that his parents
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: are always arguing.
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: Hmm.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: So it seems like the fallout of the loss of Caleb,
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: who was their son who died overseas in the U.S. Army,
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: maybe kind of brought up some deeper issues within the family,
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: and it's sort of been this aftershock where it's kind
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: of affecting everybody in different ways.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: Everyone deals with it differently, it seems like.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. I want to mention how.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: The test screenings for this movie went. Because I brought
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: it up earlier real quick. When they brought Your Next
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: to audience testing, it had done really well. Like, as
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: a horror movie, it did incredibly well. Coming to The
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: Guest did not score well at all. So for context...
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: Your Next scored in the low 70s from the audience,
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: which is a really good test score. The Guest scored
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: a 28.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: It's so surprising, though.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I fucking... Honestly, dude, I just say this
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: because I thought it was interesting. I fucking hate the
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: audience testing.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because... I mean, films like this, I don't always
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: think are going to resonate with audiences, and clearly there's...
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: a high level of interest in this movie. Otherwise I
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: don't think we would be getting, you know, a deluxe
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: set like this or, or the rollout that this film,
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: I feel like deserves. Um, yeah, I think ultimately, I mean, you,
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: you have to make that interpretation on your own, you know,
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: everyone's tastes can be different, subjective.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah. It's, it's tough to know why that was. I mean,
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: he talks about how, uh, They think it was really
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: affected by a poor sound mix. There was a lot
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: of issues, I guess, trying to get the sound right beforehand.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: I was kind of like, okay, that sounds a bit
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: like you're trying to grab an excuse. It's like a reach.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? It's a little bit of
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: a reach.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: Speaking of sound, what do you think about the soundtrack?
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: Oh, the music in this movie is perfect. The synth score?
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. So you have Steve Moore, which he
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: is known for his work with Zombie. But I felt
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: like that this perfectly matched that aesthetic that they were
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: going for in this film. And not to mention on
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: top of that, I mean, the amount of like post-punk
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: songs that they included in here. You've got... Trying to think,
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: Sisters of Mercy, you get Clan of Zymox, Annie that's
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: on here. I mean, even as far as Survive, if
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: you're familiar with Stranger Things, that's the band that the
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: composers were working on beforehand. And there's this real specific
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: scene that we get where they play a Sisters of
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Mercy song during the interaction between David and and Anna
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: after he gets out of the shower. And it's just, it's,
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: it's just, it works so well for that specific scene. Um,
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: I have to say, I think for this movie specifically,
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: I don't know if it was Adam Wingard's creative choice
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: or whoever it was. Uh, but you gotta give him
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: credit because timing's great on a lot of these songs.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: He did mention how the original intention was supposed to
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: be more of like a, like a, like a industrial rock,
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: kind of sound.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: And it just kind of, as time went on, it
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: just slowly kind of, they figured out that the synth
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: worked so much better than what they were going to
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: go with before.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, they even use Stevie B in this. Yeah. Yeah.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: That that's it. Well, I don't, I don't need much more.
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: He talks about how, uh, the Duffer brothers directly said
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: in a press conference that they got survivor from the
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: guests and, that's how they got into Stranger Things. You know,
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: they saw the guests and were inspired to use it.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: That's incredible.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: It's so cool, dude. It's like really, they had mentioned,
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: and I wish I wrote, I wish I wrote down
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: this as a note. I didn't, but they mentioned how
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: when the film went to Sundance, it played next to
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: another movie that had sort of like the same tone,
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: kind of like this 80s throwback style, also with a
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: synth score. And that movie got more attention than the
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: guests did. and was considered more successful.
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: Interesting.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: What was it? Did they say?
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: I can't remember. I'll have to look it up and
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: put it in the show notes afterwards. It's a movie
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: I've never heard of, so it didn't really stick with me.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, I never heard of that. Meanwhile,
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: here we are talking about The Guest. So who really won?
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: It's a cult classic for a reason.
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: I'm going to drop a bomb here. And if you
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: follow me on Instagram, you already know about this because
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: I posted about this earlier in a reel. Adam Wingard
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: mentions how. he had rewatched a commentary track that he
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: did for Godzilla vs. Kong. And as he was watching it,
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: he discovered that there were these minutes-long stretches where he
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: wasn't talking. Where it was silence.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: And he was telling Simon, he's like, I know we
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: filled this time in. I know we recorded every minute
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: of this. We were talking. And basically he says that
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: he doesn't know why, but the studio cut out a
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: bunch of stuff in the commentary track.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Without their knowledge? Yeah.
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: They never told him.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: Wild.
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: He said that he... And he was like, I don't
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: think we said... He's like, I don't think we said anything... Negative,
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: you know, we weren't talking bad on the studio. We
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: weren't doing any of that. Just for some reason, Warner Brothers,
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: somebody from Warner Brothers went in and silenced them for
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: a couple minute long stretches throughout the commentary track. And
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: because of this, he says that if you're ever listening
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: to any of their commentary tracks, if they ever go
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: silent and they don't acknowledge it right away by saying like, oh,
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: we've just been quiet like for a minute, they're being
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: censored basically is what they said. And I thought that
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: was the biggest fucking horseshit I'd ever heard of my life.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: And people commenting on my post brought up a good point.
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: They're like, then why do they have those little like,
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: you know, like disclaimers when you put in a Blu-ray
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: that says like, you know, the audio commentaries or interviews
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: do not reflect the opinions of MGM, Universal, whatever. If
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: they're going to go in and censor it anyway.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: Um, I'm kind of at a loss for words that
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: that seems something that happens. I've never heard of that happening,
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: but yeah.
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: Well, it makes me kind of like question, like if
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: we ever cover studio commentaries, how much can.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: We even really, you know, like how genuine is it?
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And he said, if you pay attention, when you're
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: listening to that God's over his contract, He said you
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: can hear that he kind of like abruptly comes back
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: and it doesn't really make sense where he's starting because
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: that's where they, you know, where they edit it, that
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: he could talk again.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's unfortunate. I mean, it makes you wonder like
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: how many of the other commentaries you listen to. I mean,
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: I hope that that's not more of a common thing,
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: but I feel like we would have noticed that.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. I don't know, man. It was just fucked
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: up and I had to bring it up.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: Had to. That's a very fair criticism.
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: I find it really funny, and it's probably the most
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: humorous part of the movie for me, how quickly David
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: builds trust with this family, specifically Laura.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you, man, they're like head over heels over
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: this guy. They don't even know him. Hey, listen, man.
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: Listen, dude, he's very helpful. He's handsome.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: That's what wins him over?
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: Hey, listen, you can go very far in this life
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: if you just look like Dan Stevens.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: I've been told I look like Dan Stevens.
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: You do kind of look like Stephen Dan. Thanks, man.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: You're welcome, man.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: I'm not quite as ripped as him, but I'm trying.
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: Dude, I was watching it this morning, that scene when
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: he comes out of the bathroom.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: Damn, man.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: I had a moment where I was like.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: Shit, dude. Yeah, yeah, I.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: You know he's not consuming any carbs. That's for sure.
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: No carb diet. No carbs. Meanwhile, I just drank a
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: fucking Capri Sun.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: This man's over here like negative caloric deficiency or caloric deficit.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all of that in context for saying that I
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: love when like Anna coming home and seeing him helping
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: with Luke with his homework. He's sitting on the ground
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: with them, you know, doing the homework with them or
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: even like the dad.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: He's just that charming. He is.
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: But even like the dad, the dad kind of like
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: confiding in him about his work stuff, like how, you know,
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: he could make more money and be more supportive for
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: the family if he would get this promotion. But this
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: guy's in the way.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: It's just guy talk, man.
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: And then I think I think like the cherry on
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: top of all of it is him picking up Luke
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: from school.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, listen, if you got someone like that in
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: your corner and he takes you to the bar and
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: shows you how to, like, handle your bullies, I don't know.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, is he all bad? I don't think so.
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: Oh, dude, this bar scene. So he– earlier in the movie,
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: Luke gets bullied. Well, he gets shoved into a locker headfirst, basically.
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: Comes in with a black eye, says he got hit
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: in the face with a football. Obviously, Dan Stevens, he
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: don't play those games, man.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: He's not buying it.
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's not buying it. He goes, he picks up
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: Luke from school. He says, you know, I want you
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: to point out the bullies to me. He goes, it's
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: those guys right there. They follow them to a bar.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: And David says, well, what are they doing? Why are
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: they going to a bar after school? And Luke says, well,
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: the bar will serve members of the football team. You know,
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: he goes in and Dude, this is the best. He
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: goes in first. David goes in first and has a seat.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: Luke eventually joins him. And the bullies are at the
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: table with their girlfriends or whatever, some other similar age girls.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: And the bartender comes over and David orders blowjob shots
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: for the girls. And I love the bartender's like, do
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: you want to get anything for the men?
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: I know. He's like, please don't make me do this.
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah. He's like, Oh, what's he say? It's like good
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: manners or something like that. He says proper manners or something.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: Who is this guy to tell anyone anything?
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: Like he was, he was upselling bro.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: He definitely was.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: He was good. He was good. He, uh, he's like, yeah,
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: you gotta get the guy something. And David goes, yeah,
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: bring all them cosmopolitans.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: Just, just a low blow.
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. Um, So pretty much just pissing them off
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: and really getting them started. And it leads to a
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: little fight scene. But this is the first time that
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: we see David in action. And at this point, we're
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: suspicious of him, but we don't really know much. We
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: think he's fully, you know, just a normal guy. And
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: he just fucking kicks their asses, dude. Like, right in
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: the middle of the bar.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: Dude, it's wild.
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: So....
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: I guess the fight scene was done in two days
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: and they both commented how they felt like it was rushed. Uh,
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: what I thought was kind of cool was, you notice
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: how fast David is almost very Terminator like made note
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: of that, which I thought was pretty cool. Um, now
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: we get David and Anna a little while later after the, uh,
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: very tense interaction after he gets out of the shower,
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: they go to the house party and there's something about
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: this atmosphere that just works. The neon, it's like just
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: drenched in neon lighting. You know, it's, it's never like
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: too much, but when they choose to use this in
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: select scenes, I definitely feel like it works.
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 47:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: Well in between, like right before we get to the party,
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: I just want to bring this up really quick because, uh,
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: Adam and Simon mentioned that they're watching this and recording
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: this commentary after they had spent all day working on
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: a script for Face Off 2. Where's that at? Why
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: don't we have that?
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: Do we need it?
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: What do you mean? Yeah, we need it. Of course
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: we need it. Bring it back. Come on. They just
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: casually mentioned that and then never.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: That is very casual.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like, oh, you're just working on a
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: script for Face Off 2.
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: No big deal, man. The party scene. Yes, I agree.
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: The lighting is incredible. I also think the shot of
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: David carrying the two kegs so casually is my favorite
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: moment of this movie.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: If you aren't really paying attention... to it it may
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: not seem like much but there's these little like subtle
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: nods that obviously you know whether he's at the bar
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: or in this instance I mean you can definitely tell
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: that he's above average for sure like something's up.
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: So let's see a full standard US keg weighs approximately
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: 160 pounds and he has one up on his shoulder
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: and it's just holding the other one in the air
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: with the other hand Just letting out extreme sex appeal.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: It is Dan Stevens.
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: I think he did that. No stunt double. I think
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: they were full, and I think Dan Stevens actually did that.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: You know, if you told me that at face value,
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: I would believe you.
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. Well, in the commentary, well, first I want
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: to mention real quick that we're introduced to another key
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: player here, and that's uh craig played by joel david
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: moore um most people would know him from grandma's boy
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: he plays like the video game company oh yeah owner
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: and then um from hatchet as well as well as
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: many other things see an avatar i think he is
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: an avatar yeah he is an avatar freakishly tall you
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: know i think he's like tall like you.
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: Thanks man call you.
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: Out you're welcome man how tall is he I don't know. I,
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: somebody who's five, nine, I think he's very tall.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: We're all freakishly tall. Yeah.
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: Um, let's see Joel David Moore height. Let's get into this.
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: This is what happens when the podcast is recording late
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: at night. He's six, two.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: Freakishly tall. We're the same height.
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: He's four inches taller, five inches taller.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: So I just took it as you basically think I'm
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: a freak.
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: No, no, no.
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: Freakishly tall.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: Just messing.
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: Um, freakishly tall.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: Wait are we are we just gonna gloss over the
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: fact that like david was he was macking it up
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: man at the party.
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: Well i'm getting there because.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: Okay okay i just wanna make sure that doesn't get
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: overlooked yeah yeah no no no um.
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: I i love this input that simon barrett adds in
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: the commentary where he talks about that this is kind
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: of the movie where the audience can where you can
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: really gauge an audience on on where they're at with
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: the vibe of this movie Because David walking and carrying
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: the kegs and then placing them down and instantly walking
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: over and accepting the blunt from Craig and hitting the blunt.
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: You're either on this movie's level or you're not at
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: this point. He said that for a lot of audiences,
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: there's two moments in this movie where he felt like
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: they either lost the audience or gain them. And it's
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: this moment right here. And it's the moment at the
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: end when he decides to kill the parents. Those are
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: the two moments where he felt like the audience really
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: made a decision if they were on this movie's level
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: or not. And I completely agree. And it should be
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: sillier than it is, but it works in this movie.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean... it's, we start seeing things continue to
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: ramp up from this point forward because, you know, David
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: obviously meets Craig at the party and then has a connection, right,
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: with an arms dealer?
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: Okay, so, and this scene's interesting, I guess, come to
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: find out, this was, this scene was one of the
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: first sequences that they shot. They actually had to keep,
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: they had to keep shutting down the shoot due to
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: thunderstorms that were going on at the time. So, um,
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: but it's, it's interesting because, I mean, this is really
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: the first encounter that we get where you're seeing the
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: more violent side of David.
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it is. There, there's a couple of things here
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: that were brought up in, in this commentary track. Uh,
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: one that wasn't, but I just want to bring up, uh,
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: is the cinematographer. His name is, uh, Robbie Baumgartner. Sorry, Baumgartner. Um,
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: this was his first, his first film that he had
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: shot and really channeling that like eighties, you know, neon vibe. Um,
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: I love that there's a shot in particular when Dave
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: is hitting the blunt, um, where you kind of have
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: the changing colors and the, the synth and it all
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: works just really well, which I think the 4k accentuates
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: even better.
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: Um, but one thing during this party before he starts
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: macking it, Adam talks about how he wishes that they
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: had shot the film anamorphically to give it that more
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: like Carpenter kind of style 80s look.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: For sure.
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: And for those who don't really understand anamorphic, essentially it's
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: a lens choice. And basically what you're doing is you're
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: kind of compressing an ultra wide frame onto traditional film.
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: and it's being compressed, but it gives it this really
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: unique look that if you watch any, like watch any
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: carpenter stuff from the eighties and it's all shot, um, anamorphically. Uh,
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: but with, there was a couple of things like Rob,
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: this being Robbie's first full DP credit, he was resistant
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: to them shooting DP. Also the line producer, uh, was
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: telling me there wasn't enough money to make it happen. Um, And,
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: you know, funny anecdote he mentions is that pretty much
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: every movie since this one, he's been denied the use
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: of anamorphic. So who knows if we'll ever get anamorphic
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: lens Adam Wingard or not.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: It's interesting.
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: I thought it would be because he mentions like it
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: definitely would have given a different look and a different
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: style because they also shot this movie completely on fixed lenses.
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: They use no zoom lenses whatsoever. So everything was fixed
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: in place. They couldn't do any zooming.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that... I mean, it definitely seems like
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: compared to the commentary that I got, I mean, these are...
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: It's really interesting to hear this in retrospective compared to
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: where the one I was listening to. It seems like,
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: you know, they're kind of anticipating just a release in
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: general and living on a prayer that they're hoping that
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: this film's going to be good. Yeah.
• 54:48
  Speaker 5: Now.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: we get an interaction a little bit later on between
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: Anna and Kristen, where she reveals that David was in
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: a military hospital in Arizona. And we come, or we'll
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: come to find out, uh, Anna obviously being suspicious calls
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: the military and this flags major Carver to track down
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: the Pearson family with a special task force. Um, this
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: obviously coincides with, with David and Luke, they're carving pumpkins,
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: which again, you know, organically, you know, alluding to Halloween time.
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: Do you feel like at this point in the movie,
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, this, this is really where it starts, you know,
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: everything begins to escalate, you know, the pressure's on, I
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: guess is what I would say. Yeah.
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: I love this sudden introduction of like the government. It's like,
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: She calls, it flags, like, contact KPG personnel. We cut to, like,
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: the most Independence Day-looking boardroom, like, meeting where we're introduced
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: to Major Carver, obviously played by the incredible Lance Reddick.
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: Rest in peace.
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: Rest in peace.
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: Most known, you know, I mean, listen, was in a
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: ton of roles. My favorite was always John Wick at
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: the Continental. He was at the front desk. Always incredible.
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: You know, we were suddenly introduced and we still don't
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: know exactly what's happening. All that's really said is that
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: if if he makes a comment that if one of
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: their subjects is still out there, like it could bury them,
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: they're both going to go down for it. So all
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: of a sudden now we really know that something's going on.
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: And before this, Anna overhears.
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: A phone call.
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: With David on his phone and talking about how he's
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: in need of fingerprints and a new face and he's
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: laying low for now and hiding out, but this isn't,
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: this is only going to last for so long.
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: So we're definitely starting to build to figuring out what's
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: going on. Um, and I think it really comes to
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: head in the gun transaction sequence in the desert.
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: Where he goes out to meet Craig, And we also
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: meet a character that's just named Higgins, conveniently enough, my
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: last name. And I had no idea the five times
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: I've seen this movie that that was Ethan Embry. I
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: never recognized him.
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: And Adam Wingard talks a little bit here about how
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: they had like stuntmen. doing the, when, uh, David's character
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: begins like disassembling the guns and we just see the
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: hands kind of quickly disassembling the gun and analyzing. They
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: had like stunt men come in to shoot all that stuff. Uh,
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: but he also makes a side comment about how, how, uh,
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: comfortable Ethan Embry was with handling handguns. It's kind of
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: like a little fleeting comment he makes.
• 57:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, we're, we're definitely, uh, at this point,
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you're definitely starting to see the
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: more violent side of David that we're getting here. And, um,
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: you know, I mean, I just have one note about,
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: you know, throughout the film is that I thought it
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: was pretty cool. And you alluded to face off earlier,
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: but a lot of the gunfights that we see later
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: on in the movie are actually influenced by John Woo films,
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: which I can see during filming. They were, they were
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: worried they were going to run out of bullets because, uh,
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: they were, just going off when it comes to like
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: just how excessive they were being with gunfire. Uh, they
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: wanted the gunfights to be influenced by certain eighties films
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: and anime, uh, production use. I allegedly around, uh, 10,000 bullets.
• 58:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: Crazy. Like wild number. And at this point in the movie,
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: everything's coming out, right? Everything's unfolding. It's starting to get
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: chaotic because we have David kills Higgins, uh, He takes
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: the guns, he kills Craig by shooting him in the
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: back of the head. Back at the house, we find
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: out that the father spends his boss and wife had
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: been found dead due to an apparent pharmaceutical medicine overdose.
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: So now he's got the promotion that he was talking
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: with David about earlier. Anna's Boyfriend calls her to tell
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: her that Craig was found dead in the desert and
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: then he gets pulled over.
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: And he's taking the blame for it, isn't he?
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because the the Ethan Embry, the gun dealer's bodies
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: in his van. And then they go back to his
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: room wherever he's staying or his apartment, whatever. And then
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: they find a whole bunch of drugs. So now he's
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: going to prison. So her friend is dead. Craig is dead.
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: Her boyfriend's going to prison. The family gets upset because,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: you know, they're like, hey, we didn't know you were...
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: We told you you're not allowed to date this guy.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: It starts getting crazy. Like, absolutely crazy. This shootout sequence... So,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: maybe it's a, like, lapse of information. Which, first of all,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: before I get into that, the moment when.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: Major Carver and all of the troops arrive. I think
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: it's awesome. Cause David had walked away like a couple
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: seconds before they pulled up the shot of the one
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: armed guy looking over and the sheets on the hangers blow.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: And David is standing there holding the laundry basket in
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: the middle of the frame with like this beautiful landscape
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: behind him. It's like one of my favorite shots of
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: all time.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: Oh, for sure. I actually, there's another sequence we'll talk
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: about a little bit later, but it was like the
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: standout moment for me. But yeah, I mean, it's, you're
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: definitely seeing just everything dialed up to 10. What I
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: thought was, was pretty cool is, you know, obviously we
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: get seen leading up to this where Luke actually fights
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: back against his bully. And he has this, this really
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: tense interaction with, david where he's basically confronting him and
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: saying that you know uh his his sister is suspicious
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: of david's background and he keeps going on about how
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: they're supposed to be friends and it's like you can't
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: tell like what side of david you're gonna get with
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: him like he can snap at any minute basically uh
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: but the one thing i did want to mention is
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: that when the task force shows up at the peterson's
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: house we actually see that there's a scarecrow that's set
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: up in the yard. And from what Adam Wingard was
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: pointing out was that this is supposed to be a
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: reference to the opening credits of Halloween four, which I
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: thought was really cool. I mean, we see throughout this film,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: Halloween is definitely an influence through and through same with Terminator.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: And like I mentioned earlier, David is seen as like
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: an inverse Michael Myers and major Carver is supposed to
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: see it. be seen as like a Dr. Loomis-like figure.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: And there's also other Halloween references that get brought up
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: as the film goes on, but we'll talk about that
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: a little bit later.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: Is the Halloween 4 opening credit sequence like the best
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: opening credit sequence of all time?
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, by far. It reminds me of like you're just
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: starting to get that cold weather rolling in. Leaves are changing.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: There's something that I feel is very nostalgic.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: Uh, you don't really, I don't know about in your area.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: I don't feel like I really see people that are, uh,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: putting up Halloween decorations that same way really anymore.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah. Around me for sure.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: Really? Oh, not yet. Well, not out here. I don't
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: know why.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: A lot of people don't know that. haddonfield illinois in
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: the original halloween is actually inspired by haddonfield new jersey
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: which is the town next to mine oh so they
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: go all out yeah so like it's well it's very
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: much like not that it goes not that they go
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: all out yes all the towns like my town and
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: haddonfield and all those do really nice decorations but it's
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: more of like I was telling my wife today, we
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: were driving down like the main drag in our town.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, look, there's piles of leaves on the
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: ground already. It looks like fall. It feels like fall.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: It's like 61 outside right now. I have the window
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: open next to me. Um, it just has like, there's
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: that breeze which blows the leaves across the ground. Like
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: that whole opening sequence. I mean, the opening sequence of
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: Halloween four is much more like where I grew up
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: rather than where I live now, which was more fields and,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: gaps between neighbors and all that. But, um, that's very
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: much a representation of fall in New Jersey, I think.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: And I think what I love about Halloween for the
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: opening is just calm. There's no music.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: Eerie, but calm.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: It is. Yeah. I love that scene, man. I think
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: that's great. It's actually kind of want to watch that
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: right now.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: Stop. It's listen. I, I was in denial. I was
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: in denial that fall was right around the corner. I
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: didn't want to let go of summer. And now that I've,
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: the sinking realization that, you know, the nice warm days
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: are fleeting.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: You make it sound so poetic.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, I have to embrace it, man. I love, listen,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: don't get me wrong. I love fall. It's my favorite
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: time of year. it's just, it's winter. Winter is, we're
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: another step close to winter and I do not enjoy
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: winter at all.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: You can pull out the hoodies and pull out the jackets.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: No, no man. You get, you get nice fall weather
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: where it's like long sleeves and hoodies. Yeah. But I
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: don't want to be out there shoveling snow.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: Oh no, I don't want to do that either. Let's
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: get off the snow topic. I don't want to think
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: about that yet. Um, Yeah, I was thinking maybe there's
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: like a little bit of a lapse of like memory
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: in the time between the two commentary tracks. According to
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: my commentary track, they use 10,000 rounds of ammunition in
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: two minutes or two takes. And Simon was actually approached
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: by one of the effects people who said that they
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: had brought 25,000 rounds to set and they were almost out. Already.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: Only two takes.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So this is where I think we start really
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: seeing like the worst of David. You know, obviously there's
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: this whole gunfight that's going down. And Laura, the mom,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: questions if David actually even knew Caleb. And he just
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: kills her.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he does say yes, he did. But they both
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: we find out that her son was in the program.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: Because he says, like, we were both in the same program.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: So Caleb was intended or was originally one of these
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: super soldiers.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: Super soldiers. Yeah.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: And then he just fucking stabs her in the chest. Like,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: it's so abrupt.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: Listen, if there's one thing I've learned from his character,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: I would never ask questions. Never.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: No, no. He stabs the mom. And then goes into
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: the garage, takes the Jeep. All of the soldiers are
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: dead now, except for Major Carver. He gets in the
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: Jeep and is driving down the road and crashes head-on
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: into the father's car.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: It's pretty wild.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: Listen to this shit. So, in the movie, he crashes
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: into it, the father's hurt, and then he gets out
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: and he shoots him. In the script, one of the
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: original drafts of the script... Same car crash, but the
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: father was supposed to fly out of the windshield, and
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: David was going to shoot him while he was flying
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: out of the windshield.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: Did the dad deserve that? No. The dad just wanted
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: a drinking... He was. He just wanted a beer.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: Dude, every five lines of his are, I need a drink.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: Do you want a drink, David? Do you need a drink?
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: It's the pressure of the nine to five for him.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: There's a lot on the line.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: I get it, man. I'm cracking, too. I might have
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: to fall in line pretty soon, man.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: You're like, I'm going to go get a drink. You
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: want a drink, Steve?
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: I'm going to start offering anybody who's around a drink.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: You want a drink? Okay. Well, listen, I'm glad that
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: Spencer didn't, you know, I felt like it was bad enough,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: the faith that he had. I think that that would
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: have made it so much worse. But you know what
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: is worse? David shows up to the restaurant. And he's
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: at that point, he's looking for Anna.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: Who is just taken by Major Carver because he showed
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: up right before.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he just I don't even know. I would assume
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: probably a couple of days before he gets done smashing
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: Kristen and then he proceeds to kill her and blows
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: up the diner. It's bad enough what just happened, but
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: he blows up the entire diner with two grenades.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: With two grenades.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: Wild.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: You know what's crazy? This is such a little detail,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: but when he shoots Kristen and there's that big blood
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: splatter on the pole behind her, that's 100% CGI.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: They did mention that, yeah.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: That's crazy. I would have never thought that.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: Subtle. It's very subtle.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: It looks better... than cgi blood does now which i
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: fucking hate i hate that shit so much yeah i
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: would have never guessed that it was cgi blood and
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: even adam and simon in this commentary like yeah it
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: still looks pretty good sells pretty well that because there
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: was real blood but they said it was nothing like
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: they wanted it to look like they wanted it to
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: be so much more so they use cgi to you
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: know enhance that um my question to you is do
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: you think two grenades are enough to blow up a
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: small diner.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: I don't think so. I don't have any experience with grenades.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: I've only used shotguns and handguns before, but never grenades.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if two grenades have the power
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: to blow up an entire restaurant like that.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: It works for the movie.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we can forget about reality. We're in the movie.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: Okay. Okay. This is a scene that I was alluding
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: to because just as we obviously know Major Carver picks
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: up Anna, he reveals to her their parents are dead
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: before they walk into the Halloween dance or the school, essentially.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: I absolutely adore this scene. It's everything that I feel
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: like the film is leading up to. Just neon through
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: and through. It definitely is a callback to 80s horror.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: you know, aesthetic, but, uh, we get this really, really cool, elaborate,
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: like almost like mirrors, mirror type illusion, uh, that takes
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: place in the haunted house. And I love it because
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: it builds tension between a major Carver, Anna and David.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: And if you catch it in the background, you actually
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: see the Halloween three masks, uh, that are like decals
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: in the background. So you got the skull, which pumpkin mask, uh,
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: which I thought was, was pretty dope.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: There's also a, uh, like a, your neck spray painted
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 3: on the wall. Oh, I think I've said, yeah, I
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: think what I love so much about, cause, uh, Luke has,
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: he's been, you know, he's on, uh, detention and he's
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: helping prep for the school dance. And first of all,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: the budget this school had for a little haunted house
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: is awesome. That's so cool. The haunted house, you have
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: to walk through. And then I love him. I love
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: whoever the teacher is that's responsible for Luke being like,
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: is there somebody in there? And Carver's like, yeah, military police.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: I'm here for Luke. How do I get out? And
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: he's like, left, right, left, left, right, left, right, left, left.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: Like a cheat code. Like a PlayStation 2 cheat code.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: And he goes, he looks at Anna and goes, you
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: got it? And she goes, I got it. You got it?
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: You know what? It's just convenient. I don't know if
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: I would remember it, to be honest, but as long
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: as she's got it down, that's all mirrors.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: Honestly, though, it doesn't look like a maze in the
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: part that they're in. It just looks like a straightforward
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: walkthrough because it's a different entrance than the mirrors. The
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 3: mirrors are like a different part. So I think if
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: they just kept moving, they would have found their way eventually.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: Let me ask you. Ask what? If there was one
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: way to go out, do you... I mean... Would you
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: want it to be by a box cutter? Because I
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: don't think I would.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 3: By a box cutter? No, I'd feel pretty... It's brutal. Yeah,
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: I would also feel like this is it. Like, a
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: box cutter? Like, come on.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: It's very personal.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it is very personal. But also, like, we're referencing
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: the teacher, right? That gets his throat cut?
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yep.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: I also feel like it'd be really hard to do
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 3: that to somebody with a box cutter. Like, I mean,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 3: sometimes at work, I got to run a box cutter two,
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: three times over a piece of scotch tape.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: You think about the guests when you use it?
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 4: Maybe.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: But speaking of knives, we get Luke having the butterfly knife,
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: I guess was supposed to be a reference to John
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: Woo's face off.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. which I thought was pretty cool.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: Kind of like the handing over of the knife from
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: David to, to him.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: Which have you ever played with a butterfly knife?
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: No, I don't trust myself.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: So I have one. And, uh, I will say, I mean,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: I know there's different types and varying quality, but the
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: one that I have is so goddamn heavy. Like I
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 3: actually like, My knuckle tattoos are missing ink from places
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 3: where I've hit myself with that thing while learning how
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 3: to flip it. And supposedly, according to Adam Wimgard, Dan
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: Stevens knew how to use that thing like a pro.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: He's just a class act for a reason, I guess.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: We can't come close. We can't compete with that. What
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: do you mean?
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 3: What if he had come out of the bathroom shirtless
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 3: and was flipping the butterfly knife? Unstoppable.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: With us there?
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 5: No.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: Who's on the receiving end of this?
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 3: Michael Monroe.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, oh. I was going to say, it'd be kind
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: of awkward.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: Different movie. Yeah. We're in the hallway.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: You and I are in the hallway. Yeah, I'm like,
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: I don't know how to respond to this.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: Even comes out shirtless with a butterfly knife.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: I'm like, that's cool, man, I guess.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: Go throw a shirt on, man. That's kind of weird.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: Put a shirt. I love to. I love when he
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 3: walks out and he's like, oh. Sorry. I was just
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: taking a shower. Okay.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 3: Um, this scene, I do love the mirrors sequence. Major
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: Carver gets killed off. Um, but I, I really love the,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: the fog floor going on once they're out.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: The main dance floor. And we kind of have the
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 3: final like battle between them. Um, not a lot of
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 3: commentary notes here because, uh, this is when, this is
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: the point where Simon Barrett and Adam Wingard started smoking
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 3: two giant blunts, as they said in the commentary. So
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 3: I think they were kind of somewhere else talking about
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 3: rambling on about stuff that had nothing to do with
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 3: this scene. Um, but I've always, I always loved the scene.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 3: I think it's smart. I love that she took the
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 3: boots with the blood and kind of, he followed and
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: then it was just the boots there and she wasn't,
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 3: which leads to her shooting him. him falling into the fog.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 3: I really like that ass.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 4: It is.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Then he gets the upper hand on her and
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: then Luke comes and stabs him. I think twice, right?
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: Stabs him in the back. And then.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: There's another great moment with the use of song choices
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: at specific times. I believe it's when Anna initially catches
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: up with David and holds him at gunpoint. Annie's Antonio
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: is one of the songs that's used during this moment.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: The best. The best. I'm telling you, there's something about this,
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: and I'm a big fan of post-punk synth wave music,
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: and this, I just feel like, works on so many levels. So, again,
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: gotta give him credit because I don't feel like this
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: is always the case with films that we've covered where
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: the music choices are so timely.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're perfect here, man. And also, too, there's something
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: really interesting here because earlier at the shootout, after the
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 3: shootout scene, there's a little bit of an exposition dump
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 3: that happens where Major Carver begins telling Anna about this
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 3: program and they were the perfect soldier and all this stuff.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: And he mentions that that David has kind of been
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: like that when, when his identity is discovered, everything is
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: to be wiped. Like all possible ties linked to him
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 3: and the program need to be taken out. So he's
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 3: probably completely unaware that, that, you know, like, yes, he's
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 3: killing the mom. He's killed the dad, but he's kind
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 3: of overpowered by his programming at this point. And when he,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 3: and I'm doing this with air quote dies, uh, both
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 3: Adam and Simon bring up an interesting point that they
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 3: see it as David playing dead because no longer is
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: the software or the super soldier like taking over and
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 3: he's back to him. And the only way that, that
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: he can let them go is to essentially play dead.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: And he plays dead, which gives them the chance to
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 3: get out, which then he gets up immediately, kills one
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: of the firefighters and we see him come out in
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 3: the firefighter. outfit which i thought was really interesting i
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: never thought about it that way before.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah and there's a a little uh subtle terminator reference
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: with the thumbs up i don't know if they mentioned
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: that in the the commentary but overall i mean you
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: can't ask for a better way for this movie to
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: wrap up i like the ending it's very open ended.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: I don't think I would necessarily want a sequel because
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: I feel like on its own, it works so well. Um,
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: but yeah, man, I mean, this is definitely a standout.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: I feel like for the 2010s, this movie, at least
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: to me, checks off a lot of the boxes and, uh, Yeah,
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: I'm very, very happy we finally had a chance to
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: cover this one.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's cool what they did with... And
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 3: I haven't seen Onslaught yet, but from what I hear,
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: it is sort of like a pseudo-sequel. You're dealing with
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 3: these super soldiers. And I prefer that way more than
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 3: I would like a direct sequel following.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: Right, I agree.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 3: Because I feel like with this idea, there is a
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 3: larger universe that you can kind of play in. And
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 3: I think doing... it in the style they did. If,
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 3: if what I hear is true about onslaught is, is
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 3: a smart way. And you can kind of nod, give
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 3: nods back to fans from the guests and, you know,
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 3: kind of follow similar stylings to really make it fit
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 3: in as a sequel.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: I think, I think like it's, it's really one of
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 3: those movies that benefits best from just being kind of
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 3: like a one time thing. I mean, the ending sets
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 3: it up perfectly for a sequel. He survives. Now, where
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 3: do you go from here? Not that I don't care.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 3: I just don't need it to continue. I'm perfectly fine
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 3: where it's at.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: Right. I'm good with it. I think if you let
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: the film stand on its own, I think it's going
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: to have a lasting legacy, even with Onslaught. Again, I
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: haven't seen it, but if that's the approach that they're
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: having where it exists in the same uh, continuity.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: I'm cool with that.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: Well, it's funny because Simon Barrett makes a comment about how, um,
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 3: if they had actually done like a sequel, he would
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: have loved to have seen that David went on to
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 3: get like a normal, like customer service job and that
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 3: the whole plot would be revolving around him having to
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 3: solve this very mundane, uh, problem and at the end
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 3: of the day he just solves it and moves on
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 3: with no violence and no. Which would have been really interesting.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 3: Imagine the guest too when Dan Stevens is back and
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 3: there's not a single bit of violence. It's just him.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 3: Very mundane day to day life.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: I don't think he would adjust well to it.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 3: He needs action.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: Just guessing. Just guessing?
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 3: So what do you think, man? Do you think people
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 3: should go give that track you listened to a go?
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. And I think for either of these, I mean,
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: just based on what I heard from the commentary track
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: that you listened to versus the one that I had
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: a chance to check out, I think that they both
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: offer something different because you're hearing them from two very
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: different times. You know, one being before the film was
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: actually released and not knowing just... exactly how well the
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: film would do and the other one being on the
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: other side of it where they're able to look back
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: on this film hopefully fondly and be able to appreciate
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: you know just um how this film has took off
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: the way that it has.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah i think that's my favorite part of listening to
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 3: this is kind of the um like this kind of
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 3: relief that the movie found its audience and they spend
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 3: a brief little portion of this movie talking so much
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 3: shit on Blair Witch, their 2017 Blair Witch movie, uh,
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 3: which deservedly. So that movie sucks. Um, terrible, but, uh, yeah,
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's really good to hear them so proud
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 3: of this movie, you know, now that it's, it's become
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 3: the cult hit that it has. And, Adam being able
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 3: to go in and really refine the visuals of this movie,
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 3: make it much more to his vision for the 4k
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 3: must be an incredible feeling for a director to finally
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 3: feel like, okay, my intended vision is out there. So
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: that's really, that's all really cool to hear, man. I
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 3: think that's really like the power in physical media and
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 3: the power in restoration is giving these filmmakers a chance to, um,
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: kind of tie up loose ends that kind of maybe
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: held back their movie in certain ways in their eyes
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: and are able to fix that and able to put
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 3: out what they deem to be, you know, their intended
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 3: final project.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So, um, this is a good one.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 3: The guest 4k from second site films is still available
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 3: in a standard edition. Um, you can go on eBay
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 3: and get the big deluxe limited edition. I'm pretty sure
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: it's pretty pricey now, but there's a standard edition. Both
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: commentaries are available on that. Um, Yeah, any last words
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 3: on the guest, man, before we wrap up?
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: No. Go check it out. Second Sight has done an
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: incredible job with this, and you're next.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: Highly recommend either of those.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, man. What's going on with the future of
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 3: Beyond the Blood? Next, we're doing a staff fix. We're
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 3: going to keep it going in the kind of psychosexual
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 3: thriller realm. And for our next staff picks, we're going
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: to cover the 1996 film Fear, starring Mark Wahlberg and
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: Reese Witherspoon.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: I'm really excited to revisit this one.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 4: It's been a minute.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: You like roller coasters, man?
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: No, not like that, and especially not after watching Fear.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 3: Well, listen, man, we got the guest out of our house.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: It wasn't easy.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: He's killed our family.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: He's charming.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 3: But at least we have each other.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: At least we survived. Let the people know where they
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 3: can find you.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 4: At, man.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: You guys can find me at After Hours Video, on YouTube, Instagram, TikTok,
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: you name it. And yeah, you can keep up with
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: me as I'm watching all my new and old favorites.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: What about you, Chris?
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 3: Always on Instagram, at Bearded Film Guy, doing all kinds
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 3: of stuff over there. always here on beyond the blood
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 3: also over on the fireside collection podcast with our friend Jordan.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 3: We got that going now every couple of weeks that's
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 3: going on. So having a lot of fun with that. Um,
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 3: thank you for hanging out. Thank you for keep coming
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 3: back to the podcast. And I hope everyone got a
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 3: chance to pick up the latest issue of physical media advocate, uh,
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 3: issue number 33 that's now available on Amazon. Um, Reviewed
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 3: a couple audio commentaries in that issue. Two very good
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: commentaries and one not so good commentary. But I'll let
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: y'all go read that for yourself. Bride of Reanimator.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: Sorry. I can't wait to check it out.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 3: But we'll see you next week for Fear and Marky Mark.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 3: Probably the scariest part of that movie. All right, y'all.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 3: We'll catch you on the next one.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: Catch you on the next one, guys. Thank you for listening.
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