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Why a Biblical Worldview Matters · Equipped for Impact

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Nate: Welcome to Equipped for Impact, the podcast designed to assist Christian parents, leaders and educators to raise up the next generation to stand firm in their faith and influence the world for Christ.
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Nate: We're your hosts.
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Nate: I'm Nate and I'm Luis, so let's get started.
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Nate: This is now episode four.
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Nate: You've made it through the first four episodes on this journey together, where we just laid the foundation of kind of that triad as we're trying to disciple our kids as parents.
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Nate: We've got the home, obviously, as primary, and then you've got the church and the school assisting parents in educating and discipling their children.
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Nate: And throughout those episodes we've come up with this term I've used a lot and that's the idea of a biblical worldview.
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Nate: So we want to spend some time today just talking through why a biblical worldview matters.
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Nate: So I guess we need to start Luis.
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Nate: What even is a worldview?
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Nate: I?
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Luis: guess we need to start, Luis.
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Luis: What even is a worldview?
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Luis: The simplest way that I have found to explain a worldview is think of it like a lens that you see the world through.
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Luis: So I wear glasses Yep, and I have the glasses that when you go outside, they get shaded right.
1:21
Luis: The transition lenses yes, excellent, and so.
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Luis: That's actually a really good example of how it works right.
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Luis: So when lenses yes, excellent, and so, and so that's actually a really good example of how it works right.
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Luis: So when I'm inside my my glasses are clear I, you know it doesn't.
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Luis: You know they're, they're light, I can see through.
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Luis: But when I go outside, they transition to a darker shade so that it's easier for me to see.
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Luis: Well, when I come inside it, everything's darker, and so a worldview is just like that, like it's, it's shading, it's, it's clouding, it's uh, it's helping you see everything that you see through that lens.
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Luis: So when my glasses transition to dark, it's darker.
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Luis: When it's lighter, it's lighter.
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Nate: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Nate: When I uh used to teach a sixth grade class on worldview, I would always ask him you know, hey guys, what's a worldview?
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Nate: And of course I get the answer it's the way you view the world.
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Nate: It's like, yes, okay, that's great, but but it really is true, like it's a self-explanatory term, but.
2:11
Nate: But we can go a little bit deeper.
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Nate: Like a definition I have come up with is, um, that a worldview really is a set of values and beliefs anchored in a story through which a person charts their course through life.
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Nate: And so I mean that definition there.
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Nate: It's got a couple of different points to it, you know, and a lot of times when we think of worldview, we start with the head, right, the things you know you might immediately run to, like the creation versus evolution debates or things like that, but it really starts with the values.
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Nate: So your values are like that heart orientation, right, it's not in the head, it's in the heart first, and it's really what's most important or the thing that you're going after.
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Nate: You know, Luis, how have you seen like values really direct a person from their heart?
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Nate: You?
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Luis: know I've always said that the values are the core of what you do.
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Luis: Like we don't do anything that violates our values.
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Luis: Like instinctively, like whatever your values are, like that's what you're going to do.
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Luis: I think, a simple way of thinking about it.
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Luis: Like if you're the type of person that reacts negatively when somebody cuts you off in traffic, but you say that you value patience.
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Luis: Like that's not true.
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Luis: Like your gut reaction is what is what you value?
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Luis: In fact, I think that's a good way to think about it.
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Luis: Like like it's what your natural reaction is.
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Luis: Like what's your initial instinct is.
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Luis: Like what's your gut?
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Luis: You know, I think about like in the Bible, how, like it talks about that the heart is wickedly deceptive, right Above all things, and so if we let our heart guide us, like the truth is that that's going to reveal who we really are.
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Luis: So like we might say that we value something, but if that's not our gut reaction, then it's truly not a value to us.
4:04
Nate: Yeah, yeah, yeah, out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks, right, it's just, it's like you knock over a cup.
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Nate: What's in the cup is going to come out, and so it's our heart.
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Nate: That's kind of the first part is it starts in our hearts, it's our values, but then it's our beliefs.
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Nate: Right, that's where we start talking about.
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Nate: You know, those truth claims.
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Nate: You know God exists, god created the world, the Bible is the word of God.
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Nate: It's things like that that we would, you know, as Christians, we understand.
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Nate: It's the things that are preached in our church, the things we pull out of the Bible.
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Nate: These are the truth claims about the world that we believe.
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Nate: But then the story in the definition I gave you right, it's the story that gives context to the values and beliefs.
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Nate: So what is that story that we tell ourselves, liz?
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Luis: Yeah, I would say that the story is going to be really what your metanarrative is.
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Luis: Right, big word yeah big word.
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Luis: But really all it means is just think of it like the overarching story.
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Luis: So when we talk about the metanarrative of the Bible, we say creation, fall, redemption, some throw in restoration.
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Nate: Restoration yeah.
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Luis: But I think the general principle really is there right Creation, fall redemption, restoration.
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Luis: General principle really, you know, is there right Creation, fall redemption, restoration.
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Luis: And so your story, whatever that story is, is the story that's unfolding throughout your life.
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Luis: I don't want to get too nerdy here, right, but in, like, I'm taking a leadership class in my master's program and one of the questions that comes up is are leaders born or are they made right?
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Luis: Like, do you have the DNA, the genetics, to make you a great leader, or are you a product of your environment?
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Luis: And what's come out of that is that it's both.
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Luis: Right, it's part of your genetics, but it's your environment.
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Luis: But here's what we know is that environment affects our story.
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Luis: Like, I am who I am today because of the environment that.
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Luis: I came up in, and so that's gonna give context to your values and your beliefs.
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Luis: Actually, what we've been talking about the last few episodes right yeah, Church, home and school All of that is helping us create our story.
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Nate: Right, and there's like competing stories.
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Nate: Yes, so you know, just critical theory has a story of the oppressed versus the oppressor, and so it's this struggle that's trying to be resolved.
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Nate: I'm trying to think of a few others.
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Nate: I mean, just the American dream, kind of, would fall in that context.
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Nate: Right Of, I've born in this situation, but if I try hard enough I'm going to get ahead and succeed, whatever that means.
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Nate: You know, that's my values.
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Luis: And to share like a really like personal example, and I won't go into it much.
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Luis: Maybe one day we will in a podcast.
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Luis: I don't have a great relationship with my dad, but part of it is because of who he was as I was growing up.
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Luis: But I remember my dad being a drug addict, an alcoholic, not a great father figure.
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Luis: And then now, as I've become a father in my life, it's become my goal to not be like him and so that's become my story.
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Luis: That's shaping my values, my beliefs as a parent, and and so you have that that plays out throughout all of the world, right, like I mean it's it's happening in our individual lives, but then all these stories that are coming into and it's a competing story.
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Nate: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Nate: And so then we've already hinted at this, but it comes then back to behaviors.
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Nate: Right, the end of that definition is it's how a person charts their course through life.
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Nate: They, they use the values almost like a compass, and the story is the map kind of telling you where you are, and so then you make choices and you make decisions and you do things based on this story.
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Nate: It's the, it's the actions that you have, because your behavior really, like we already said, right, it's going to prove what you say, your worldview is whether you can say one thing, but what you say, it's what you do and it's why I'm a Florida State Seminole fan.
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Luis: Not only do I say it, but, nate, when you look at my office, there's Florida State memorabilia all over my office.
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Nate: It is all over the place.
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Luis: So if I said I'm a Florida State fan but I never wore any Florida State gear, you never saw me doing anything with Florida State.
8:15
Luis: We saw you do the gator chomp.
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Luis: Yes, yes you'd be like who is this guy?
8:19
Luis: Um, and and, but here's, but here's the power of behaviors.
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Luis: So my kids have grown up in north carolina their whole life like that's all they've.
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Luis: That's all they've known.
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Luis: But because of the behaviors and the stories and the beliefs and the values that have been a part of our family, they're now florida state seminal fans like they're probably they're not state fans.
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Nate: They're not state fans.
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Luis: They're not carolina fans, they're not duke fans.
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Luis: I mean we've, we have raised our kids right and so, and so they.
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Luis: They're huge florida state fans, like probably bigger than me.
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Luis: Like I mean they will.
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Luis: If florida state softball is playing, they'll want to watch it.
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Luis: If Florida State basketball is playing, they'll want to watch it.
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Luis: If there's a Florida State soccer game, they'll want to watch it.
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Luis: And I was just a football fan, and so that's kind of how my love for Florida State came.
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Luis: But now, because of those behaviors that they've seen repeated over and over in our life, both of my girls have a desire to go to Florida State one day.
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Luis: I don't know if I want them to go there, but I mean, you know, if they do great, they still got some time.
9:19
Luis: They have some time, right.
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Luis: But, I mean they love Florida State sports and so, and so it's, it's something that's become a part of our family.
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Nate: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Nate: And so really what we're seeing there is it's not just a progression, it's a cycle, because you have your values, beliefs and story that come out in your behaviors, but then your behaviors then shape your values and beliefs.
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Nate: Based on that story.
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Nate: You're telling yourself.
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Nate: James Smith has a great book you Are what you Love.
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Nate: That really brings that out right the things that you love, your values really change and shape who you are as a person.
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Nate: But you can change your values based on the actions that you take.
9:57
Nate: Just kind of not to belabor this point, but you can change your values based on, like, the actions that you take.
9:58
Nate: Just kind of not to belabor this point.
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Nate: But we've got a silly thing here at our school.
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Nate: I say silly but we started a few years ago.
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Nate: We have Tie Tuesday.
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Nate: So you know I wear a tie almost every Tuesday.
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Nate: Sometimes it's a bow tie, sometimes it's a regular tie.
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Nate: You know you do that occasionally and some of the other men on staff here do that as well.
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Nate: But when I was first starting that with one of the other guys here on staff, you know my thought was I want to show the young men at our school walk in our hallways like this is what it looks like to be.
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Nate: You know, dress sharp.
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Nate: It's kind of not as common in our culture anymore to wear ties and all that and it's not the most comfortable thing.
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Nate: But you know, you dress sharp and the more you do it and the more people see you do it and then they start to pick up those habits and those values of you.
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Nate: Know what I'm going to.
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Nate: I'm going to level up in my dress.
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Nate: I'm not just going to come in wearing sweatpants every day.
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Nate: You know it says something in it and it shapes who we are Absolutely so I guess let's turn the corner.
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Nate: And it shapes who we are Absolutely so I guess let's turn the corner.
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Nate: That's just worldview in general.
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Nate: But what about a biblical worldview?
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Nate: What is it and why is that important?
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Luis: I think it's important because what we see is that, in general, people don't really have a biblical worldview.
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Luis: So what research shows is that only about 4% of Americans possess a biblical worldview.
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Luis: And you can actually even break that down, even regionally, and here in the South, in the Bible Belt, it might be as high as 6 percent, but in other parts of the country, like in the Northeast, I mean, you're talking about maybe 1 percent of the general population.
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Luis: But then it gets even more.
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Luis: Probably sad, I would say, is among those who identify as Christians, so people who profess a Christian faith a mere 6% hold a biblical worldview.
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Luis: And here's where it gets really scary.
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Luis: When we talk about the younger generation, we talk about those who are under the age of 30, their biblical worldview drops to 1%.
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Luis: So 1% of those under the age of 30 have a biblical worldview.
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Nate: Wow, that's crazy.
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Nate: So this could even be people sitting in our pews or coming to our Christian schools.
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Nate: They're the ones who are responding to some of these surveys and saying, based on their results of this is what they do, what their behaviors say about them, they would not align with a biblical worldview.
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Nate: So I guess we need to define what is a biblical worldview, and that's seeing and interpreting all aspects of life and truths revealed through the truths revealed in the Bible, you know.
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Nate: So it's letting the Bible be, like you said, those glasses that would shape how we see the world.
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Nate: It's the framework and we're going to use that to interpret our whole life.
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Luis: Some key components of that framework.
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Luis: Right is, god is the creator, the Bible is the ultimate authority, jesus Christ is the only Savior and we are called to live according to God's design and purposes.
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Luis: And you might be listening and think, well, duh Like, yes, that makes sense, and you'd be right.
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Luis: I would say.
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Luis: Probably our listeners, the majority of them, probably have a biblical worldview, or at least have been exposed to a biblical worldview worldview.
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Luis: But here's the sad part is that even though people have a belief in that, or even though they might agree with that verbally going back to what we were talking about earlier, right is, it's not just about what I say, I believe, but it's about what I do.
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Luis: And so what we've seen in our culture is not just a biblical worldview, but we've seen the emergence of syncretism, where people are blending multiple beliefs.
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Nate: The Bible is not the ultimate authority for them in their lives.
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Luis: And Christian Smith several years ago wrote a book called Soul Searching the Religious and Spiritual Lives of American Teenagers, and I won't go into very deep, but what emerged out of that is that what he found in most young people is that there is an emergence of what's called moralistic, therapeutic deism.
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Luis: And we won't go into that today, but just fully understanding that when we talk about a biblical worldview, what we're saying is that God is the creator, the Bible is the ultimate authority, jesus Christ is the only Savior and that we are called to live according to God's design and purposes, not mixing it in with secularism or the American dream, anything like that.
14:23
Nate: It's just purely pulling from God's Word as the authority.
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Nate: So we've talked about action.
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Nate: So what would be some examples of a biblical worldview and working through some situations with your?
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Luis: child, oftentimes Christians we get called bigoted, we get called closed-minded.
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Luis: I think a perfect example of a Christian worldview is that we love our neighbor because we believe that they're made in the image of God and because of that we have value that's based on that truth, and so, therefore, we demonstrate that by caring for our neighbors, regardless of what their political, religious or ideological beliefs are.
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Nate: Yeah, you get the story in there, right.
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Nate: We're created and so we may be fallen and sinful, but we were created in the image of God and so we need to live in that foundational truth.
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Nate: Yeah, that's good.
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Nate: So let's maybe run through a few scenarios.
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Nate: Like you know, your child comes home from school and they're confused because maybe a classmate said something about you know gender.
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Nate: They've picked it up online or from their families.
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Nate: Whatever you know, hey, you can be whatever gender you like.
15:33
Nate: Like I'm a parent.
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Nate: My kid comes home saying a classmate said this.
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Nate: Like how would I respond to my kid in that situation?
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Luis: Well, if you're responding from a biblical worldview, you would lovingly explain that, while feelings are real, they don't define truth, right, yeah?
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Luis: And then what I would do is point to the ultimate truth, which is found in Scripture, and maybe even a verse like Genesis 127 that tells us that God created us male and female, and then help them understand.
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Luis: God's design is good, yeah, and I think it's leaning back into the Word of God.
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Luis: I know that sounds simple, but it really is.
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Luis: Yeah, like it's not a hard concept.
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Nate: What I love about that is there's a solid foundation.
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Nate: Right, there's an anchor point for us, so that we talked in a previous episode about the waves of culture.
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Nate: Right, they're constantly shifting and changing and pounding against us.
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Nate: Like you think, we had a previous not to get political but we had a previous administration in the White House that would not agree with that.
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Nate: Right, they would say there's multiple genders and it's how you feel and all that.
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Nate: A new administration comes in and in his inauguration speech mentions there's only two genders.
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Nate: We would agree with that as Christians, but not because the administration said that, but because the Bible said that.
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Nate: We've got that foundation staying constant, Absolutely Nate.
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Luis: Here's another scenario.
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Luis: So you've got a high school senior that's choosing a college based solely on the value for a future career.
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Luis: So what's a biblical worldview response to that scenario?
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Nate: Yeah, yeah, and that's a big one, because a lot of parents maybe even listen to this.
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Nate: Right now.
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Nate: You're walking through this with your student, right?
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Nate: But you have that conversation.
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Nate: Hopefully at this point they're 17, 18, 19 years old, because they're a high school senior and they should know like, okay, what are your God-given talents?
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Nate: You can throw that on them, ask them questions like what are the talents God gave you?
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Nate: And then help them walk through, thinking about serving and loving their neighbor, like we've already talked about.
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Nate: How can you do that?
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Nate: How can you serve and love your neighbor?
17:42
Nate: And ultimately, you come back to Matthew 28, 19 and 20.
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Nate: We're called to make disciples.
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Nate: It's the Great Commission, and so your vocation, your calling that's what that word means is part of that equation, but so is a lot of other things that you can use to love your neighbor, and so, yes, you should use that, and if you're doing a good job in your vocation, you're going to make money right Because it's valuable.
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Nate: But the spiritual formation side of all the subjects taught in college are important.
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Nate: If you want to know more about that, you can go back to our previous episode about the role of the school.
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Nate: That's not just K-12 schools, that would include high schools as well.
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Nate: Yeah, yeah.
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Nate: So why would developing this biblical worldview be so essential for children?
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Luis: So we're going to highlight three reasons here.
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Luis: Okay, I'll start with the first one.
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Luis: So the foundation of faith and identity A biblical worldview is going to highlight three reasons here.
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Luis: Okay, I'll start with the first one.
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Luis: So the foundation of faith and identity A biblical worldview is going to help children develop a strong sense of identity and a purpose rooted in Christ.
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Luis: And so children who know who they are in Christ are less likely to be swayed by the cultural pressures right, it's those waves?
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Luis: Yes, to be swayed by the cultural pressures.
18:56
Luis: Right, it's those waves.
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Luis: Yes.
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Luis: Like you know, previously I mentioned that when kids see their faith played out at home, at school, at church, it's going to make a big impact and they're less likely to walk away from the faith.
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Luis: George Barna, the researcher he emphasizes the importance of an early spiritual development, saying that a person's worldview is predominantly shaped by the time they're 13.
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Luis: And so, when you think about that, their worldview is shaped by the age of 13.
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Luis: And so it's that foundation of their faith and who they're going to be yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Nate: So those elementary and middle school years are so important for developing that biblical worldview.
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Nate: But I think a second reason would be that they can build the moral and spiritual discernment needed to live in our culture.
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Nate: Going back to that idea of the waves, right, they're constantly going to be coming at them and, just like those two scenarios we walked through, they're going to have that biblical worldview that's going to equip them to discern truth from falsehood, so that, even though they may not be able to articulate why something's wrong, they at least have the warning bells going off in their head that they're like that does not sound right.
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Nate: And then they can come to a wise adult, like their parent, and work through it themselves.
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Luis: I was reading some research that was done on the impact on behavior and decision-making for those who have a biblical worldview and those who don't, and there's a marked difference.
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Luis: So individuals with a biblical worldview usually exhibit a distinct moral and lifestyle choices compared to those without.
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Luis: So let me throw some interesting statistics.
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Luis: So those who have a biblical worldview versus those who don't have a biblical worldview 2% accept cohabitation before marriage, 62% accept it without a biblical worldview.
20:48
Luis: Wow, it's prevalent in our culture today.
20:51
Luis: But drunkenness right.
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Luis: So 2% of those who have a biblical worldview say drunkenness is okay.
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Luis: 36% of those without a biblical worldview say it's okay.
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Luis: And here's when we talk about the marriage crisis in our culture 4% of those with a biblical worldview say that adultery is acceptable.
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Luis: 44% of those without a biblical worldview say it's acceptable.
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Nate: Wow, yeah, that's crazy because you think about a lot of these issues that are prevalent and then have second and third order consequences.
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Nate: That's coming right back to the biblical worldview that our students have.
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Luis: And I think it goes to the final part here, which is preparing children for a secular culture.
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Luis: Like, let's be real, we're raising our children in a Christian environment, but they're going to go out into a world that's non-Christian and, in some cases, anti-christian, right and so, with moral relativism, with the rejection of absolute truth, like our children are going to become adults in a world that is predominantly non-Christian.
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Luis: Like we live in a post-Christian society and so a biblical worldview is going to provide the framework that's needed to stand firm in the faith despite what the world is saying yeah, yeah, yeah I think I've heard the, the illustration of um like inoculation, right, you, we need to.
22:21
Nate: We know our students are going out, our children are going out into this culture, into this world, and so we need to spend the time now inoculating them against the viruses that they might pick up, uh, out out there.
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Nate: And so, you know, exposing them in in small doses and working through that in a biblical way to give them that wisdom.
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Nate: Then they'll be less likely to pick that up as they move forward.
22:43
Nate: So hopefully we have helped our audience understand like, hey, a biblical worldview is important.
22:52
Nate: And so let's just kind of like recap here, summarize a worldview.
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Nate: It really it's those four things, it's your values, your beliefs, that story you tell yourself about the world, and then the actions that go along and spring from all of these things we've talked about.
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Nate: And I think it's you know, hopefully we understand that it's really important for them so that they can have that firm foundation again, so that when the waves come crashing they're standing on the word of God.
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Luis: And then we also explain what a biblical worldview is right.
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Luis: So we talked about God is the creator, the Bible is the ultimate authority, jesus Christ is the only savior and we are called to live according to God's design and purposes.
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Luis: Those are the elements of a biblical worldview.
23:38
Nate: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
23:38
Nate: So you know, Luis, people are listening to this.
23:41
Nate: They're hopefully convinced.
23:43
Nate: You know, I need to know.
23:44
Nate: You know I need to have this worldview and instill it in my children and I need to work that way, like, what encouragement would you give them, kind of here as we wrap this up?
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Luis: Yeah, so one of the greatest responsibilities that we have as parents, as leaders, as educators, is shaping the worldview of the next generation.
24:01
Luis: That's what this whole podcast is about.
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Luis: And so what children believe about God, what they believe about truth, morality and the purpose, is ultimately gonna shape the trajectory of their lives, and so we can't afford to be passive when it comes to this responsibility, especially when we know that we're fighting against a culture that is constantly pushing against a biblical worldview.
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Luis: I mentioned earlier the book by Christian Smith.
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Luis: I would encourage you, parents, if you haven't read it it's a great book to read Soul Searching the Religious and Spiritual Lives of American Teenagers.
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Luis: But in that book he reveals that many young people in America identify as Christian, but their understanding of faith is shallow and it's more shaped by culture influences than it is by scripture.
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Luis: And when you read that book, and as we've unpacked some of these statistics today, this reality should wake us up, because if we do not intentionally teach children a biblical worldview, the world is going to disciple them into something else, and so we know that biblical literacy is declining and, as a result of that, many young people today do not know how to think or live according to God's truth.
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Nate: Yeah, so we got to, we got to walk with our students through that, we got to help them understand these things.
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Nate: And again, hopefully you are convinced of this out there listening and if you want to have any of these resources that we mentioned I know, Luis, you mentioned books a lot we might need a bingo card of the different books that you've mentioned on podcasts, but we'll drop that in the show notes so that you can pick that up at your convenience.
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Nate: But I hope that you guys have enjoyed this and, if you have, go ahead and share it with some other parents who might find it helpful.
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Nate: And as we go through and tackle some of these topics, we're going to help you work through different situations from a biblical worldview.
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Nate: So be sure to subscribe so you don't miss our next episode.
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Nate: The next one, specifically, we're going to dive into how you, as parents, can help your children navigate a digital world.
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Nate: So you don't want to miss that one.
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Nate: But thanks for joining us today.
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Nate: If you've got any questions, comments, any ideas that you want us to cover in the future, send us an email at podcast at waynechristianorg, and we'll look at those and see what we can work in as we move forward with this podcast, but until next time, keep leading the next generation to stand firm in their faith and influence their world, for Christ.