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229: Flea Market Quip · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 1: Because I've got to keep on Searching for the dream
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  Speaker 1: That I've been seeking Since I left my Oklahoma.
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  Speaker 2: Hi, this is Martha Stevens And you are listening to
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  Speaker 2: Movie Meltdown Hey, this is Drifter You're listening to That'd
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  Speaker 2: It's not appropriate though I'm.
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  Speaker 3: A drifter And I've seen the.
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  Speaker 1: Rain I'm a drifter And I felt the pain, the
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  Speaker 1: pain that comes with loneliness.
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  Speaker 4: So I drift from town to town, searching all around.
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  Speaker 1: It's showtime, folks.
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  Speaker 6: Enjoy the show.
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  Speaker 3: Our nuclear reactor pumping out one million kilowatts of power.
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  Speaker 6: Hey, would you like to buy a monkey?
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  Speaker 1: What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown. I'm Brian.
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  Speaker 7: I'm Lucy.
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  Speaker 8: And I'm Sterling.
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  Speaker 1: And we are coming to you live via digital recording
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  Speaker 1: from a parking lot. We're actually at the Flea Off
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  Speaker 1: Market here in Louisville. And I would say sunny Louisville,
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  Speaker 1: but it's not sunny today. It's very overcast. And yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I wish it would warm up a little bit. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: we were trying to put together a show this week.
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  Speaker 1: And we were like, what are we going to do?
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  Speaker 1: And most of our crew are like slackers. And we're like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I have stuff to do. So I'm like, look, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to be there. Lucy and I are already going
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  Speaker 1: to be hanging out going, Hey, check out these shirts.
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  Speaker 1: This one's got a Yeti on it. This one's got
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  Speaker 1: Harry Dean Stanton on it. So it's like, while we're there,
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  Speaker 1: let's just bring the recorder and we'll, we'll just do the, uh,
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  Speaker 1: actually I just got a, a comment online when we
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  Speaker 1: were doing the found footage festival and they were just like, they,
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  Speaker 1: they specifically, I won't out the person who said it,
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  Speaker 1: but he's awesome. Uh, he specifically said he liked our
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  Speaker 1: dynamic when we went out in the world and we were,
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  Speaker 1: we were hanging out in front of the theater on
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  Speaker 1: the steps of the theater and As everyone else went home,
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  Speaker 1: and we were weirdos loitering around in front of the theater.
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  Speaker 1: And we did our whole show and talked about horribly
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  Speaker 1: inappropriate things on the steps of the theater there. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'd gotten good feedback on that. They kind of liked
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  Speaker 1: us hanging out and talking. So I thought, you know,
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  Speaker 1: if that's what we do anyway, we might as well
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  Speaker 1: just make that the show.
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  Speaker 7: So you're pretty much just asking to have him regret
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  Speaker 7: saying that is what you're going for here right now?
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  Speaker 1: No, because we deliver awesome episodes.
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  Speaker 9: Okay, never mind.
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  Speaker 1: No matter where we are.
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  Speaker 9: Like Brian sitting there going like, ah, you think we're
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  Speaker 9: doing interesting things. Well, I'll show you.
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  Speaker 1: That is what I've actually been trying to do since
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  Speaker 1: day one. It's like as we go all these different places,
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  Speaker 1: we do end up at a lot of different conventions
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  Speaker 1: and a lot of weird locations over the years now.
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  Speaker 1: But what I realized is like I don't want it
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  Speaker 1: to be Here we are at this place, and the
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  Speaker 1: entire show is going to center around where we are
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  Speaker 1: and talking to these people. And I'm like, that's great,
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  Speaker 1: but then it all depends on where you are, whether
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  Speaker 1: or not it's what you want to hear or what's cool.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, I don't want it to be that.
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  Speaker 1: I want the show to be the show no matter
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  Speaker 1: where it goes. So it's like whatever situation we're in,
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  Speaker 1: I want the basics of the show, the dynamic of
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  Speaker 1: the show, to kind of always be there, whatever ridiculous
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  Speaker 1: setting we end up at. So we're at the flea
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  Speaker 1: market here.
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  Speaker 8: And here we are.
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  Speaker 9: Uh, yeah, we're sitting, we're sitting a brief distance from, uh, uh,
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  Speaker 9: some carved statues of what looked like bears, um, and
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  Speaker 9: various other clothing articles. And of course, you know, the
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  Speaker 9: surprisingly large number of record vendors.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, it's a thing. Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: It always kind of bums me out actually. Cause I
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  Speaker 9: always see all those record vendors out there and I'm like, man,
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  Speaker 9: times like this, I wish I owned a record player
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  Speaker 9: B had more disposable income and C had that level
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  Speaker 9: of self-respect where I wanted my music to be something
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  Speaker 9: that other people saw, like, you know, sitting on a
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  Speaker 9: giant shelf in my apartment.
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  Speaker 1: Um, D I'm glad I'm not that hip and I
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  Speaker 1: don't worry about it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: But you know, you know, as a guy who really
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  Speaker 9: identifies very strongly with, uh, Rob from high fidelity, I
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  Speaker 9: have to say that, you know, a part of me
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  Speaker 9: does is kind of sad that, you know, when I
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  Speaker 9: go through a major crisis in my life, I don't
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  Speaker 9: have an enormous record collection to reorganize. Um, Like I
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  Speaker 9: don't even have most of my books here. You know,
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  Speaker 9: it's just like, it's like, it's like, uh, it's, it's
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  Speaker 9: one of the perils of minimalist living. You can't take
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  Speaker 9: refuge in your wall of stuff when, when you're, when
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  Speaker 9: you're miserable, you go, go back to your collection of
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  Speaker 9: wiffle bats or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I don't understand any of this cause all
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  Speaker 1: I have is stuff. I don't have people or loved
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  Speaker 1: ones or no, I just have stuff. I have, I
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  Speaker 1: have tons of the machine, the natal pod that birthed you. No, no,
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  Speaker 1: they've all given up on me, but I have, so
• 5:35
  Speaker 1: actually I was shifting things in my house recently and,
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  Speaker 1: from one room to the other for reasons I won't
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  Speaker 1: even go into but I was finding like the most
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  Speaker 1: ridiculous like accumulation of like odd things and I almost
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  Speaker 1: started to make a list of like weird things I
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  Speaker 1: came across like I'm moving a box and in it
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  Speaker 1: is a little scrap of paper and scribbled on it
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  Speaker 1: in my handwriting is Reverend Horton Heath's phone number Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, this good thing I lost this in
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  Speaker 1: a box somewhere. And then I got to my Teenage
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  Speaker 1: Mutant Ninja Turtles dressed like the Universal Monsters, which they're
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  Speaker 1: on my shelf right now. They're badasses, as any geeks know.
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  Speaker 1: That was an awesome run. Those are action figures? They are,
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  Speaker 1: and legit. They were licensed through the Ninja Turtles and
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  Speaker 1: Universal Studios, and they made the actual Frankenstein, Dracula, in
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  Speaker 1: Ninja Turtle form. You know, I'm a geek because I
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  Speaker 1: own many of them.
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  Speaker 9: No, you know, actually we had, I remember there was
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  Speaker 9: on the beach where we used to go for summer vacation,
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  Speaker 9: like down in Florida. My family and I would go
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  Speaker 9: and they had this store there, which had one of
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  Speaker 9: those giant like shark, fake shark mouths that you could
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  Speaker 9: walk into. And it was like, I was like 10.
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  Speaker 9: It was like the coolest thing in the world was
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  Speaker 9: going to this junk store. And they sold their, like
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  Speaker 9: I shit you not, they sold seashells, Like, crafted into
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  Speaker 9: Ninja Turtles. Like, Ninja Turtles made out of seashells. And
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  Speaker 9: we had the entire set. And by fate or chance,
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  Speaker 9: they all got broken with the exception of Donatello, who
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  Speaker 9: sits on my mother's shelf to this day.
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  Speaker 1: Nice.
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  Speaker 8: Because she fell in love with those things.
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  Speaker 9: By the way, again, it probably bears mention that, yes,
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  Speaker 9: since we are in a parking lot in the middle
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  Speaker 9: of a flea market, like, we're totally exposed. We're not
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  Speaker 9: in the safe box. womb of a black used-to-be church.
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  Speaker 1: Again, I'm used to that.
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  Speaker 9: A black-walled church. We're exposed to the world, so at
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  Speaker 9: any moment now, people might walk up and demand things
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  Speaker 9: of us.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, we should also mention that we're shamelessly peddling our wares,
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  Speaker 7: so if somebody should come up and even have a
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  Speaker 7: glimmer of purchasing power, we're going to drop these mics
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  Speaker 7: and start groveling.
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  Speaker 1: Figuratively. Well, you guys totally can. Please don't actually drop
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  Speaker 1: these mics, because we're still paying for them.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I was going to say, you guys obviously can,
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  Speaker 9: until I'm part of the union, which I believe we
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  Speaker 9: talked about union dues in our last meeting.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, they are due, by the way. Yeah, okay. Please
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  Speaker 8: remind me next time.
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  Speaker 1: We'll please remit.
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  Speaker 9: But yeah, until I get those in, I won't consider
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  Speaker 9: myself a full member of Movie Meltdown, and I won't
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  Speaker 9: see the need to hawk your wares.
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  Speaker 8: No, feel free to. okay okay uh.
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  Speaker 1: You've been abducted like i mean inducted like everyone else
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  Speaker 1: so it's.
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  Speaker 9: Great well um in any event though so yeah if
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  Speaker 9: anyone shows up then uh we might just talk to
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  Speaker 9: them out of the blue like these people hi how
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  Speaker 9: are you but just fine thanks yeah live radio live
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  Speaker 9: via digital recording yes okay so uh you were doing
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  Speaker 9: some research i do believe lucy I was.
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  Speaker 7: I didn't know if we were going to be doing
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  Speaker 7: a geek activities segment.
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  Speaker 1: I was just going to let it roll and we
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  Speaker 1: can do like all geek activities and whatever other randomness
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  Speaker 1: comes about.
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  Speaker 7: Well, the reason why I picked up my computer device
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  Speaker 7: was because I saw a movie last night.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's a square thing. I punch it. It brings
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  Speaker 1: me information. That's all.
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  Speaker 7: I saw a film last night, and it was one
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  Speaker 7: of those films that I saw purposefully knowing it would
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  Speaker 7: be bad, anticipating it being bad. But I went to
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  Speaker 7: see it at the drive-in movie, which is a venue
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  Speaker 7: that I think should be reserved for bad films.
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  Speaker 1: A good place to see a bad movie.
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  Speaker 7: Right, because there's distractions, and if it's a film you
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  Speaker 7: really care about, it's not going to ultimately be a
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  Speaker 7: satisfying viewing experience. So we went to see The Call.
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  Speaker 7: And I don't know if I need to give background
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  Speaker 7: for anybody. The call is the new Halle Berry movie.
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  Speaker 7: She plays a 911 operator.
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  Speaker 8: Oh, and that girl in Gothica. Sorry, that girl in
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  Speaker 8: Gothica is right.
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  Speaker 9: Did you, before you want to get to that. By
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  Speaker 9: the way, I'm sorry, sorry. When Gothica came out, I
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  Speaker 9: had to say this. I wrote that screenplay. I shit
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  Speaker 9: you not. I wrote that screenplay when I was 14. Like,
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  Speaker 9: I had the exact same idea, like, and I wrote out, like,
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  Speaker 9: almost the exact same characters in, like, a primitive version
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  Speaker 9: of that screenplay. And when I finally saw that movie,
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  Speaker 9: it was I was like cut between like like oh
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  Speaker 9: my god these people stole my like they hacked my
• 9:58
  Speaker 9: database and found and then part of me was like
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  Speaker 9: oh my god I wasn't made to be a screenwriter
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  Speaker 9: like I was like this is not my future I hope.
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  Speaker 1: I was hoping there was a glimmer of pride of.
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  Speaker 4: They made my movie oh no my story has been
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  Speaker 4: told no it's like one of those moments where again
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  Speaker 4: like all the stuff you think is awesome when you're
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  Speaker 4: 14 and You know, just sort of is shown in
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  Speaker 4: glorious Technicolor in front of you, and you're.
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  Speaker 8: Like, whoa, whoa, I was off. I was way off.
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  Speaker 7: The good news is enough time has passed. You could
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  Speaker 7: probably dust that bad boy off and go to Hollywood
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  Speaker 7: with it.
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  Speaker 1: Reboot.
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  Speaker 8: Gothica 2. Electric Boogaloo.
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  Speaker 10: So.
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  Speaker 1: I was going to say, to put it in perspective,
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  Speaker 1: before you even get to the Halle Berry, all you
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  Speaker 1: have to do is put the logo that comes up
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  Speaker 1: at the very beginning of that movie. And I haven't
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  Speaker 1: even seen it, but I know.
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  Speaker 7: Which I was not aware of this as a thing.
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  Speaker 7: This is a thing.
• 10:52
  Speaker 8: This is a thing.
• 10:52
  Speaker 1: And that's what I was going to say. It should say, what,
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  Speaker 1: WWE or something to that? I still try to make
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: it an F, but I forget. That's Panda Bears. So, yeah,
• 11:05
  Speaker 1: it's anything at this point. And this just kicked in
• 11:09
  Speaker 1: in the last couple of years. Anything at this point
• 11:11
  Speaker 1: that features a wrestler from that organization, they become a producer.
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  Speaker 1: They get their name slapped on like above the title
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  Speaker 1: and they are listed like they the organization basically become
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  Speaker 1: a producer of the movie.
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  Speaker 7: So does that mean that there was, in fact, a
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  Speaker 7: wrestler in the movie that I didn't notice?
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  Speaker 1: I assumed it was one of the killer type peoples.
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  Speaker 1: But again, I haven't seen the movie.
• 11:36
  Speaker 9: See, I'm waiting for like through some misread partnership deal
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  Speaker 9: on some obscure movie in the 80s. Like the WWE
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  Speaker 9: will wind up claiming retroactive producership on like all of
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  Speaker 9: Disney properties.
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  Speaker 1: If anybody could pull that off, they might. He's the
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  Speaker 1: most powerful entity in the world, but McMahon does not
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  Speaker 1: mess around with money.
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  Speaker 8: By the way, it's true.
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  Speaker 9: I like the idea of McMahon trying to take on
• 12:05
  Speaker 9: the mouse. Be a popular t-shirt soon, I'm certain, or
• 12:09
  Speaker 9: a series of webcomics. Speaking of which, the mouse is
• 12:16
  Speaker 9: the closest thing now to an Orwellian entity I think
• 12:19
  Speaker 9: our world has produced at this point. There should be
• 12:22
  Speaker 9: just pictures of Mickey everywhere going, Mickey's watching you. Sorry,
• 12:26
  Speaker 9: we're selling things. Oh, it's fine. Working with the public
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  Speaker 9: is part of why we love this job.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure.
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  Speaker 3: Is it?
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  Speaker 7: So back to the call?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Again, I just assumed there was some sort of
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  Speaker 1: killer at the end that just happened to be one
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: of the wrestler dudes.
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  Speaker 7: I would be happy to spoil the entire movie because
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  Speaker 7: I feel like it would be a public service, frankly.
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  Speaker 1: That's up to you.
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  Speaker 7: Mostly because the finale, it's not a twist ending, but
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  Speaker 7: it's like a gotcha ending. And it's the worst gotcha
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  Speaker 7: ending maybe in cinematic history.
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  Speaker 1: Does it involve a suplex at some point? You're dreaming, man.
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  Speaker 1: If I get to see Halle Berry suplex a wrestler,
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  Speaker 1: I would pay good money to go.
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  Speaker 8: See that, actually.
• 13:16
  Speaker 7: I needed context for that term. I didn't know what
• 13:18
  Speaker 7: that reference was, but now I'm catching up.
• 13:21
  Speaker 8: Sterling, stand up. I'll show her. Can't we use a
• 13:25
  Speaker 8: customer instead? Like, hey, want to be on Movie Meltdown? Kid,
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  Speaker 8: get over here.
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  Speaker 1: Small child.
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  Speaker 8: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, Lord.
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  Speaker 8: So, the call.
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  Speaker 7: The call.
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  Speaker 3: So.
• 13:38
  Speaker 7: At the beginning of the credits, all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 7: I noticed that it was directed by Brad Anderson. And
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  Speaker 7: I was not aware of that going in. And for
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  Speaker 7: a moment, there was this... I mean, I was excited.
• 13:50
  Speaker 7: I keep forgetting that, actually. And we're about to get
• 13:54
  Speaker 7: a great movie. Or at least a vaguely self-aware movie.
• 13:57
  Speaker 1: At least an interesting movie.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 13:59
  Speaker 1: Even if you don't like his movies, they're always interesting.
• 14:01
  Speaker 8: List off some of his movies for me again.
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  Speaker 7: Well, I'm more familiar with his early career. He made
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  Speaker 7: a movie called Happy Accidents, which I think is still
• 14:09
  Speaker 7: one of the great undiscovered gems. It was Vincent D'Onofrio
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  Speaker 7: and Marissa Tomei, and it is a time travel romance.
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  Speaker 9: Okay, Vincent D'Onofrio, who's been in many, many great undiscovered gems.
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  Speaker 1: That's kind of his entire career, actually.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I recently discovered he actually made a biopic back
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  Speaker 9: early in his career with Renee Zellweger about the life
• 14:31
  Speaker 9: of Robert E.
• 14:32
  Speaker 8: Howard, the creator of Conan.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember.
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  Speaker 8: Called The Whole Wide World. I still haven't seen it.
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  Speaker 1: From what I've heard, he's amazing in it.
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  Speaker 8: I'm sure he is, but it just blows my mind.
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  Speaker 8: What else has Brad Anderson done?
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  Speaker 7: He did a movie called Next Stop Wonderland. I think
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  Speaker 7: that might have actually been his first movie with Hope
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  Speaker 7: Davis in it, which is charming. He did a movie
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  Speaker 7: called Session 9.
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  Speaker 8: Which I love.
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  Speaker 9: Now I have a reference point.
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  Speaker 1: I still think is amazing and enough people don't give
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  Speaker 1: it credit.
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  Speaker 9: Session 9 is for me one of those, like, I
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  Speaker 9: don't want to go into a review of it or anything,
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  Speaker 9: but I'll just say that, you know, it is a quiet,
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  Speaker 9: understated horror film that does a lot more for your
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  Speaker 9: brain than you think it's going to do when you
• 15:11
  Speaker 9: sit down.
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  Speaker 1: For anyone in this town where we're currently sitting, the
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  Speaker 1: day before I saw that, I went the next day
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  Speaker 1: after watching it that night, got up the next morning,
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: went to Waverly. It was an odd mixture of things
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  Speaker 1: because it made it so much. I think it might
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  Speaker 1: have been, but I don't think I realized what I
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: was doing to myself. Waverly, if you're not from here,
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  Speaker 1: is a closed down sanitarium. Formerly, what all was it?
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  Speaker 9: Which totally sounds like a place you go to get
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  Speaker 9: a bath, you know, my sanitarium.
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  Speaker 1: And it's been, I mean, it's been closed for years
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  Speaker 1: and years and still sits there and is supposedly one
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: of the most haunted places in the state. So it's like,
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  Speaker 1: it is a creepy country.
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  Speaker 8: I gotta go there.
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  Speaker 2: World.
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  Speaker 7: Universe.
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  Speaker 1: Other world. Whatever. But the, yeah, it's a very creepy place.
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  Speaker 1: I have some photos. I can post them at some
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  Speaker 1: point if anybody wants. But It's a really weird location,
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: and having just watched Session 9 made it so much creepier, actually.
• 16:15
  Speaker 9: Interestingly enough, by the way, I remember a little interview
• 16:18
  Speaker 9: that he gave about the film, Brad Anderson, now that
• 16:21
  Speaker 9: I recognize him. He was talking about how they actually
• 16:25
  Speaker 9: did film Session 9 over the course of about three
• 16:28
  Speaker 9: weeks or so, which is the time frame of the film.
• 16:33
  Speaker 9: in Danvers Mental Institution, which was slated to be destroyed
• 16:35
  Speaker 9: and was right after they finished the movie. This was,
• 16:38
  Speaker 9: in fact, everything that they said that that place did
• 16:41
  Speaker 9: in the movie was, in fact, something that that place
• 16:44
  Speaker 9: at some point did and was slated to be utterly
• 16:48
  Speaker 9: destroyed and was shortly after the film was made.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: That's sad because that building, when they do those shots
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: over top, it is huge. Like it is so massive.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: It's amazing. Just as a structure.
• 17:00
  Speaker 11: Sorry.
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 17:00
  Speaker 9: It goes along with that, with, with the attitude that
• 17:03
  Speaker 9: they had for a long time to mental health. Like
• 17:06
  Speaker 9: when they first started out in the beginning, they had
• 17:09
  Speaker 9: like these sort of bucolic utopian. And then they talked
• 17:11
  Speaker 9: about this in the documentary. They had these sort of
• 17:13
  Speaker 9: utopian notions of like, you know, teaching like the, the
• 17:16
  Speaker 9: mentally disabled to, to, to, you know, raise sheep together
• 17:20
  Speaker 9: and like, you know, grow their own food. And like,
• 17:23
  Speaker 9: they were going to live in this, sort of dormitory
• 17:25
  Speaker 9: together and chill. And then by the seventies though, they
• 17:27
  Speaker 9: were just like strapping them to chairs and like, you know,
• 17:30
  Speaker 9: electrocuting them to, you know, and, and drugging them intensely.
• 17:33
  Speaker 9: And it was like, you could tell in this building
• 17:35
  Speaker 9: and just the additions that they had made over the years,
• 17:37
  Speaker 9: that history of the change and the way people had
• 17:39
  Speaker 9: treated mental illness from like this utopian vision to this
• 17:43
  Speaker 9: really awful thing that it had become by the middle
• 17:46
  Speaker 9: of the century. And, you know, thank God we're getting
• 17:48
  Speaker 9: away from that, you know, now, but, still.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: Well, and Waverly had such a horrible history. I mean,
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: they built a death tunnel. Oh, had you not heard that?
• 17:57
  Speaker 9: A death tunnel? Sorry, that sounds like something from Vietnam.
• 18:01
  Speaker 9: This is from.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: The, I think, tuberculosis days when there were so many
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: people there suffering with it in that location and they
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: were dying so quickly they couldn't even move them. I mean,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: they couldn't pick them up and carry them out fast enough.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: So they built this tunnel that they just like shuttled
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: people down that goes it sits the whole building sits
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: on top of the hill and it it's a tunnel
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: that leads straight to the bottom and they had a
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: like a hearse ambulance truck waiting to haul people away
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: they were dying so.
• 18:31
  Speaker 8: Fast so they had a death shoot pretty much basically.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: And i've seen it it's it's scary and they've they've
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: done like a movie about it like it's it's gotten
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: a huge reputation over the years as one of the
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: more notoriously creepy things about that building.
• 18:45
  Speaker 9: Oh man as it should yeah it's weird Louisville's a
• 18:50
  Speaker 9: haunted place.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: We're a creepy location, yeah.
• 18:52
  Speaker 9: Which is why we fit in. I'm so glad I
• 18:54
  Speaker 9: moved here, yeah.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: So, session nine.
• 18:58
  Speaker 6: Sorry.
• 18:59
  Speaker 7: Or The Call.
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: The Call.
• 19:00
  Speaker 7: Whichever you prefer.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: He was the machinist too, wasn't he?
• 19:03
  Speaker 7: He was the machinist.
• 19:04
  Speaker 11: Okay.
• 19:05
  Speaker 8: See, that's a great film.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: He's an amazing director.
• 19:08
  Speaker 7: Apparently that was the last movie he wrote.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:11
  Speaker 7: And so, which explains what's happened to him.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: What's happened.
• 19:16
  Speaker 7: Because that's why I felt like I had to do
• 19:18
  Speaker 7: research because after watching the movie, I was like, there's
• 19:20
  Speaker 7: no way that's the same Brad Anderson. That's like Brad F.
• 19:22
  Speaker 7: Anderson or something like that. It can't be the same guy.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Brad Jim Anderson.
• 19:26
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 19:28
  Speaker 8: W.S.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Anderson. Brad W.S. Anderson.
• 19:34
  Speaker 8: Brad Paul Thomas Anderson.
• 19:35
  Speaker 11: Nice.
• 19:36
  Speaker 8: That's beautiful.
• 19:38
  Speaker 7: But anyway, it was unwatchable schlock. It was one of
• 19:43
  Speaker 7: the worst movies I've ever seen. It's the end of
• 19:46
  Speaker 7: the story.
• 19:47
  Speaker 12: It's the end of the.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Story, really.
• 19:48
  Speaker 11: Oh, man.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 19:51
  Speaker 9: So much time rediscovering the gems of Brad Anderson's career and.
• 19:55
  Speaker 7: Well, I can't... Can I just go ahead and spoil it?
• 19:59
  Speaker 7: Throw out the spoiler alert. Spoiler alert. So Halle Berry
• 20:06
  Speaker 7: plays the 911 operator slash.
• 20:10
  Speaker 7: Okay, basically it's like Silence of the Lambs light.
• 20:16
  Speaker 8: Really light.
• 20:16
  Speaker 7: Really light. And at the end of the movie, there's a, okay,
• 20:20
  Speaker 7: the killer, our serial killer, is a 36-year-old man who
• 20:24
  Speaker 7: had had, and this is all revealed over time, an
• 20:27
  Speaker 7: incestuous relationship with his sister who ultimately died of cancer.
• 20:33
  Speaker 7: and he was in love with her and when she
• 20:36
  Speaker 7: died all he wanted to do was to be able
• 20:38
  Speaker 7: to smell her hair again I think is what was
• 20:41
  Speaker 7: happening so he would find blonde women and scalp them
• 20:46
  Speaker 7: and then when their scalps got old and he needed
• 20:49
  Speaker 7: a new scalp he would find another young blonde woman
• 20:51
  Speaker 7: Like you do.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 20:53
  Speaker 7: So Halle Berry is the world's worst 911 operator. And
• 20:57
  Speaker 7: she has... That's the pitch. Somebody calls in and says,
• 21:01
  Speaker 7: there's a man in my house, there's a man in
• 21:03
  Speaker 7: my house. And she walks her through it and gets
• 21:05
  Speaker 7: her to hide. And then she loses the call. So
• 21:08
  Speaker 7: Halle Berry calls her back. And the phone rings. And
• 21:11
  Speaker 7: then the killer who was leaving hears the phone ring
• 21:14
  Speaker 7: and realizes the girl's still in the house and then
• 21:16
  Speaker 7: proceeds to murder her.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: So.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Nice. Yeah.
• 21:18
  Speaker 7: So, anyway, it's all about Halle Berry finding this man.
• 21:21
  Speaker 7: But the gotcha at the end is that.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: They track him down.
• 21:24
  Speaker 8: Halle Berry's the killer.
• 21:26
  Speaker 7: They track him down, and she's about to call 911.
• 21:29
  Speaker 7: She decides to just go rogue on this thing. And
• 21:32
  Speaker 7: she goes into, like, this underground.
• 21:34
  Speaker 8: It's a rogue telephone operator.
• 21:36
  Speaker 7: Yes, it's a rogue 911 operator. Her boyfriend is a cop.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: And I think she was Storm, technically, not rogue. But
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: go ahead.
• 21:42
  Speaker 7: Oh, I don't know. So now I feel badly that
• 21:47
  Speaker 7: I'm actually maybe spoiling. I mean, the listening audience.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: If you're listening.
• 21:50
  Speaker 7: Yeah, but there's people around us. I hadn't thought about them.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: They aren't paying attention. Look, they've got cool stuff to do.
• 21:54
  Speaker 8: Seriously, do you think people around, someone's going to stop
• 21:56
  Speaker 8: and be like, oh, man, the call with Halle Berry.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: I really want this. I love that Halle Berry. Why
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: did you spoil it?
• 22:04
  Speaker 7: Well, the gotcha at the end is, so she tracks
• 22:07
  Speaker 7: him down. She saves the girl from him. The two
• 22:09
  Speaker 7: of them go back up into the world because he
• 22:12
  Speaker 7: has an underground lair naturally. And they go back up
• 22:14
  Speaker 7: into the world and they start to call 911 and
• 22:17
  Speaker 7: then stop. And then they go back down and the
• 22:20
  Speaker 7: next scene is him tied to a chair. And she says,
• 22:24
  Speaker 7: he says, what are you going to do to me
• 22:25
  Speaker 7: or something along those lines? And she says, well, you're
• 22:29
  Speaker 7: not even here. This girl ran away and we found her.
• 22:33
  Speaker 7: and we don't know where you are. You ran off.
• 22:36
  Speaker 7: And then they leave. Dun, dun, dun. So the idea
• 22:39
  Speaker 7: being that he's just going to die there alone in
• 22:41
  Speaker 7: the cellar, which is the most selfish decision she could possibly... Okay,
• 22:45
  Speaker 7: so now there's a giant manhunt for the serial killer.
• 22:48
  Speaker 7: They're going to waste unknown resources trying to find this guy.
• 22:51
  Speaker 7: There's not going to be any closure for any of
• 22:53
  Speaker 7: these families. Like, there were other scalps down there. Anyway,
• 22:57
  Speaker 7: it was just the worst ending I've ever seen.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: You're not so much worried about the justice more as
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: much as, like, Wasted taxpayer dollars, damn it.
• 23:06
  Speaker 9: Well, fair enough. That is something to object to, definitely.
• 23:12
  Speaker 9: Halle Berry seems to have a history of being in
• 23:14
  Speaker 9: movies with terrible twists, it seems to me. I almost
• 23:18
  Speaker 9: want to say, either who is your agent, or did
• 23:20
  Speaker 9: you graduate from the M. Night School of script picking?
• 23:26
  Speaker 8: I don't know what the deal is, but I don't know.
• 23:28
  Speaker 9: That sounds to me, you know, the funny thing is
• 23:30
  Speaker 9: when you first started describing it to me, it sounded
• 23:32
  Speaker 9: almost like it could be a pretty convincing like French
• 23:36
  Speaker 9: art horror film from the 60s of like, you know, well,
• 23:40
  Speaker 9: there's this guy and for years he had an incestuous
• 23:43
  Speaker 9: relationship with his sister who then died of cancer and
• 23:45
  Speaker 9: all he wants to do is smell her hair again.
• 23:47
  Speaker 9: It's like, that's the setup for some really surreal art house.
• 23:51
  Speaker 8: Shit right there. Yeah, actually, I can see that.
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
• 23:54
  Speaker 9: Just imagine it all in black and white. It's very understated,
• 23:56
  Speaker 9: very little dialogue.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: I think we're in the classical music plane right now. Yeah, yeah.
• 24:01
  Speaker 9: First scene, a guy opens up his record player, drops
• 24:04
  Speaker 9: in some Chopin, and then goes over to where his
• 24:07
  Speaker 9: sister is dying of cancer.
• 24:08
  Speaker 8: And smells her hair.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: And smells her hair.
• 24:12
  Speaker 9: But then that's just the way it is with so
• 24:15
  Speaker 9: many bad films, though. It's like once you pitch just
• 24:18
  Speaker 9: like certain aspects of the premise to me, it's like, oh,
• 24:21
  Speaker 9: I see how that could be like a good film
• 24:23
  Speaker 9: or at least like an interesting, like I don't know
• 24:25
  Speaker 9: if I've ever seen something like that before film.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: And this is how Hollywood runs at this point. You
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: get two thirds of the way into the pitch and go, yeah,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: we could make this good. And then the rest.
• 24:33
  Speaker 8: Then they hand it to Michael Bay. And then Pain
• 24:37
  Speaker 8: and Gain.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Anyway.
• 24:38
  Speaker 7: Have you seen Pain and Gain?
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: No, but that's the same thing.
• 24:41
  Speaker 7: I'm saying watch it before you trash it.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: No, that story is amazing. It's a real story. And
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: had they given that to somebody else... Think about it.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Go ahead. But I'm just saying, think about how much
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: better it could have been.
• 24:53
  Speaker 7: Well, I disagree because, and I'll tell you why, because
• 24:57
  Speaker 7: the movie is all about excess and people misinterpreting the
• 25:02
  Speaker 7: American dream. And who embodies that more than Michael Bay?
• 25:07
  Speaker 9: Actually, I haven't seen this film, but I'll confess, I
• 25:11
  Speaker 9: don't care at all about bodybuilding, and I've hated every
• 25:14
  Speaker 9: Michael Bay film I've ever seen, which, although, except curiously,
• 25:18
  Speaker 9: this baffles even me, one of his most awful films,
• 25:21
  Speaker 9: The Island, is maybe my favorite film of his.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: I still need to, that's one of those I almost
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: have on the list because I still haven't watched it
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: and kind of want to because I still think it's
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: such an interesting premise.
• 25:34
  Speaker 9: I got to say, like, as a lover of old
• 25:35
  Speaker 9: school sci-fi, but anyway, back to the thing is that
• 25:39
  Speaker 9: this is actually the first Michael Bay movie that I've
• 25:41
  Speaker 9: seen advertisements for that I actually kind of want to
• 25:43
  Speaker 9: see because, like, almost all of his films are about
• 25:47
  Speaker 9: this kind of self-absorbed machismo of Except that it typically
• 25:51
  Speaker 9: is diverted at the last minute into something resembling heroism. Like,
• 25:55
  Speaker 9: where at the end of, like, you know, oh, I
• 25:57
  Speaker 9: get it. Like, we're supposed to think that all those
• 26:00
  Speaker 9: guys who are holed up in Alcatraz are, like, heroes
• 26:04
  Speaker 9: of some kind or something. You know, like, there are
• 26:06
  Speaker 9: moments of just, like, oh, I get it.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Not horrible criminals.
• 26:09
  Speaker 9: Yeah, like, we're supposed to see the main characters of
• 26:12
  Speaker 9: Bad Boys as being, like, heroic figures, not, like, self-absorbed fools.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Who aren't playing by the rules.
• 26:19
  Speaker 8: Yeah, exactly.
• 26:20
  Speaker 9: But pain and gain though, it's like you said, Michael
• 26:22
  Speaker 9: Bay is exactly the kind of guy who subconsciously or
• 26:25
  Speaker 9: not seems to grasp this mentality. And here he's making
• 26:29
  Speaker 9: a film about how stupid it is in a way.
• 26:32
  Speaker 9: And it's like, who better to tell that story? And
• 26:35
  Speaker 9: also surprisingly, wow, surprisingly self, self aware in a weird way. Like, like,
• 26:42
  Speaker 9: for a guy who specializes in making, this is like
• 26:44
  Speaker 9: the kind of film that people who make fun of
• 26:46
  Speaker 9: Michael Bay movies would be likely to make.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Well, we did that. Actually, I remember us talking about
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: this movie like several years ago when we were like
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: reading through the news stories and talking about him. He
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: had listed, it was right after maybe Transformers 2 or something,
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: he got greenlit to start working on his little indie movie.
• 27:04
  Speaker 7: I was about to say, his little tiny $ 20 million
• 27:07
  Speaker 7: indie movie.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: No, it was supposed to be like a million dollars
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: or something and it was supposed to have no stars.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: I was like, ah, no stars like The Rock or
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Marky Mark. Good idea.
• 27:16
  Speaker 12: Are you live broadcasting? What's going on?
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: We're recording.
• 27:19
  Speaker 8: We are live broadcasting. Why don't you say hi to
• 27:21
  Speaker 8: the internet?
• 27:22
  Speaker 11: You're recording.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: It's live via digital recording.
• 27:26
  Speaker 8: So it's a thing. People do it, yeah.
• 27:30
  Speaker 14: Are you a movie fan?
• 27:32
  Speaker 7: You can contribute. Have you seen anything lately that you like?
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well.
• 27:38
  Speaker 8: I watched Lord of the Rings again.
• 27:41
  Speaker 9: Sweet.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Nice.
• 27:42
  Speaker 9: All three.
• 27:44
  Speaker 11: And Star Trek.
• 27:46
  Speaker 12: All ten.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: Nice.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Including the reboot. Are you a fan of the new
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Star Trek?
• 27:53
  Speaker 12: Oh, I love the new Star Trek.
• 27:54
  Speaker 11: Yeah?
• 27:55
  Speaker 9: Especially the fact that at the end of the movie,
• 28:00
  Speaker 9: the latest one, he comes out and he goes.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: It does the Kirk. It's awesome. The Kirk.
• 28:06
  Speaker 11: Yes.
• 28:07
  Speaker 14: And I'm a big fan of running marathons in my
• 28:09
  Speaker 14: Captain John card Starfleet uniform.
• 28:13
  Speaker 11: It is not a costume.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: It's a uniform.
• 28:16
  Speaker 8: Thank you, sir.
• 28:16
  Speaker 7: I agree.
• 28:17
  Speaker 12: That's straight.
• 28:18
  Speaker 8: Yes.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: All right. Thank you.
• 28:21
  Speaker 9: So other reasons I'm glad I moved to this town
• 28:24
  Speaker 9: in case the bike didn't pick that up.
• 28:26
  Speaker 8: I have to say for the record.
• 28:27
  Speaker 9: That guy just proudly acknowledged that he loves to run
• 28:30
  Speaker 9: marathons in his Captain Picard Starfleet uniform, which is in
• 28:33
  Speaker 9: fact a uniform and not a costume.
• 28:37
  Speaker 11: Truth.
• 28:38
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 28:39
  Speaker 8: I like this guy.
• 28:41
  Speaker 7: Wow.
• 28:43
  Speaker 8: One day I hope to be that same level of
• 28:45
  Speaker 8: pressure-cooked weird.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: Dedication.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: That's what you have to have. Yes, exactly.
• 28:49
  Speaker 10: They come from the west and they come from the east.
• 28:56
  Speaker 10: Peddling the treasures, the stories and treats Yesterday's keepsakes are
• 29:07
  Speaker 10: now on the ground They'll sell them for less, there's
• 29:14
  Speaker 10: more to be found Old boots and buckles.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Shackles and snares. Rusty old lanterns.
• 29:43
  Speaker 10: Buckets and pails Good morning to Alice.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Harvey and Gus.
• 30:03
  Speaker 10: Fish tanks and strollers And porcelain cups Fish tanks and strollers.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: And porcelain.
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: Yes folks it's intermission time so how about taking a
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: break get out and stretch a little and relax before
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: the show begins again And why not make it refreshment time, too?
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: We have lots of tasty, delicious treats waiting for you
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: at the refreshment center.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: You ever been to a flea market?
• 30:53
  Speaker 13: Excuse me?
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: You know, buy, sell, trade.
• 30:58
  Speaker 13: I know what a flea market is, but what does
• 31:00
  Speaker 13: that have to do with me? Oh, it has a
• 31:02
  Speaker 13: lot to do with you. Black Jack Belducci thought life
• 31:05
  Speaker 13: in the mall was tough. After a week at the
• 31:12
  Speaker 13: Mason County flea market, the mafia is a walk in
• 31:18
  Speaker 13: the park.
• 31:19
  Speaker 14: You're going to help me bury these dumbasses.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: Try scrubbing your stinking ass for a couple of hours
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: next time.
• 31:28
  Speaker 8: Oh, my God!
• 31:34
  Speaker 13: What do you old bastards think you're going to do?
• 31:37
  Speaker 6: Ah!
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: I'm Black Jack Balducci.
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: Sell.
• 31:43
  Speaker 10: Do you realize there's not one other black person in
• 31:45
  Speaker 10: this town?
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Kill. I can't kill an old lady. What the hell's
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: wrong with you, Yankee boy?
• 31:51
  Speaker 11: Buy, sell, kill.
• 31:53
  Speaker 13: A flea market story.
• 31:54
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  Speaker 9: Living rooms, bedrooms, dinettes. So anyway, we were talking about
• 37:10
  Speaker 9: the press release for this little indie film, which, again,
• 37:13
  Speaker 9: in fairness, I love that Michael Bay is like, it's
• 37:15
  Speaker 9: only going to be a million dollars.
• 37:17
  Speaker 8: Like you know like.
• 37:18
  Speaker 9: Because in fairness i think at this point for michael
• 37:20
  Speaker 9: bay anything under like a budget of under 100 million
• 37:23
  Speaker 9: dollars is a little indie flick for him.
• 37:26
  Speaker 7: Well the budget ultimately wound up being 20 million and
• 37:28
  Speaker 7: he's still calling it his little indie film because he
• 37:31
  Speaker 7: used his own house he went all john cassavetes on
• 37:33
  Speaker 7: it and was like we'll just do it in my
• 37:35
  Speaker 7: house yeah but did he.
• 37:35
  Speaker 9: Use his wife that's the real question because i've seen
• 37:38
  Speaker 9: women under the influence and jesus christ like that takes
• 37:41
  Speaker 9: some serious cojones to be like yep i'm married to
• 37:43
  Speaker 9: her um No, that's kind of interesting, though, that he
• 37:49
  Speaker 9: would decide to do that. Because, again, that just doesn't
• 37:51
  Speaker 9: seem like the kind of filmmaker that he is. It
• 37:53
  Speaker 9: might be that after a couple more films like this one,
• 37:56
  Speaker 9: if he ever does more, that we might have to
• 37:58
  Speaker 9: actually re-evaluate Michael Bay's career, which is something that no
• 38:03
  Speaker 9: one would have ever said at any point.
• 38:05
  Speaker 8: Hey, we might have to re-evaluate Michael Bay at some point.
• 38:09
  Speaker 8: I like to say.
• 38:12
  Speaker 9: The way I always say, Michael Bay could have been
• 38:14
  Speaker 9: the greatest assistant director in history.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: He could be the best special effects tech or stunt coordinator.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: He could be the best side technical person you could
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: ever have on your team.
• 38:29
  Speaker 9: I've got a friend of mine who is every bit
• 38:32
  Speaker 9: the movie snob that I am, and he actually loves
• 38:34
  Speaker 9: Michael Bay's movies. And he says, you know, two things
• 38:38
  Speaker 9: Michael Bay has consistently in every single film he ever does.
• 38:41
  Speaker 7: One.
• 38:42
  Speaker 9: There is always some new technique that he is showcasing
• 38:44
  Speaker 9: to its best and fullest effect in special effects.
• 38:48
  Speaker 8: Like, always.
• 38:49
  Speaker 9: There's something that he's doing that's amazing. And two, every
• 38:53
  Speaker 9: one of his minor characters is absurd and unforgettable. And
• 38:56
  Speaker 9: sometimes horribly offensive.
• 38:59
  Speaker 8: Yes.
• 38:59
  Speaker 9: That was the counterpoint that I proposed. To which he said, well,
• 39:04
  Speaker 9: at the end of the day, he is still Michael Bay.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: That's what I don't get, though. Just that kind of stuff. Like,
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you want to be, like, completely audacious
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: and over the top I mean that's fine but like
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: some of the like 12 year old bullshit that I'm
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: like really have you not grown up any more than
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: this or just small minded like don't you live in
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: a city with a diverse group of people and you
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: really don't need to pin anybody down like you're weird
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: little side characters because it's kind of bullshit to me.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 39:33
  Speaker 8: It's difficult to.
• 39:34
  Speaker 9: Explain that kind of mentality or to talk about it
• 39:36
  Speaker 9: because I don't think it's like, I don't think it's
• 39:39
  Speaker 9: necessarily like a reflexive racism or anything like that.
• 39:42
  Speaker 8: Some of it seems.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: Like it is.
• 39:43
  Speaker 9: Well, I just mean to say that I don't think
• 39:45
  Speaker 9: he's like I don't think he's trying to be offensive
• 39:48
  Speaker 9: or pigeonholing or anything like that.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: I don't think he's going out of his way to.
• 39:51
  Speaker 8: Exactly.
• 39:53
  Speaker 9: But it seems to me like he's got some kind of,
• 39:57
  Speaker 9: it's like we said with that sort of, it's like
• 40:00
  Speaker 9: that hacky bad screenwriter thing. I was thinking of actually
• 40:05
  Speaker 9: the poster to one of the Shrek movies had the line,
• 40:09
  Speaker 9: where my witch is at. And Michael Bay is the
• 40:12
  Speaker 9: kind of guy who's like, oh, that's pretty clever.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: That is hilarious.
• 40:15
  Speaker 8: I could put that in a movie.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: As opposed to the rest of the world who just went, oh.
• 40:21
  Speaker 9: But that's the thing. I don't think Michael Bay thinks
• 40:23
  Speaker 9: about it much after that. He's just like, oh, that's
• 40:25
  Speaker 9: pretty clever. I can throw that in the movie. Because
• 40:27
  Speaker 9: I don't think that that kind of content has... He
• 40:32
  Speaker 9: doesn't think about the content of his films on that
• 40:33
  Speaker 9: level at all. He sees something that he thinks is
• 40:36
  Speaker 9: kind of cute or amusing, and he'll throw it in
• 40:37
  Speaker 9: there if he needs something cute or amusing.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Uh, I would agree. That's probably, I mean, most of
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: what he does seems like he just sort of goes
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: with it and doesn't stop to work on it in
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: an artistic sense. It's just kind of goes with his
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: gut filmmaking. And I mean, it obviously works. He's made
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: a fortune. I just don't appreciate a lot of it. No, it's,
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: and again, it's sort of surprising.
• 41:00
  Speaker 9: Uh, and we probably don't want to swallow up this
• 41:02
  Speaker 9: entire episode talking about Michael Bay. Um, but it's surprising
• 41:06
  Speaker 9: to me though, uh, I guess, uh, at the end that,
• 41:09
  Speaker 9: you know, for a guy who I've read interviews with
• 41:10
  Speaker 9: him and honestly in the interviews, he comes off as
• 41:12
  Speaker 9: a pretty nice dude. Like, like he's always pretty like, uh, when, when,
• 41:17
  Speaker 9: when he talks about criticism of his films, I've heard
• 41:18
  Speaker 9: him say things like, well, my movies are just supposed
• 41:21
  Speaker 9: to be fun. And I'm sorry, those people don't like
• 41:23
  Speaker 9: to have fun while they're watching my movies. And I
• 41:25
  Speaker 9: was like, that's a very fair thing to say, you.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: Know, like none of this nice stuff is what Megan
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Fox talks about. Yeah.
• 41:32
  Speaker 8: Um, but that's just it.
• 41:34
  Speaker 7: Jennifer Garner. There's, There's a great old episode. I remember
• 41:38
  Speaker 7: seeing it at the time and being like, this is
• 41:39
  Speaker 7: the balls on this girl. She was on later. And
• 41:41
  Speaker 7: I think maybe Alias had just started. Like nobody knew
• 41:44
  Speaker 7: who she was. She had nothing to lose. She was
• 41:45
  Speaker 7: just a girl. And she'd been in Pearl Harbor. And
• 41:48
  Speaker 7: she just talked about how there'd been like one take
• 41:50
  Speaker 7: where they had to do this big boat movement thing.
• 41:53
  Speaker 7: And I guess she had flubbed a line. and that
• 41:56
  Speaker 7: he had just gone off on her until she cried.
• 41:58
  Speaker 7: And the whole episode was just her talking about what
• 42:00
  Speaker 7: a dick he was, which I thought was really refreshing for, like,
• 42:03
  Speaker 7: a young starlet. I mean, Megan Fox gets to do
• 42:05
  Speaker 7: that because she's Megan Fox, but, like, this was, you know,
• 42:08
  Speaker 7: just kind of this young spunky girl who hadn't really
• 42:10
  Speaker 7: done anything yet.
• 42:11
  Speaker 8: Yeah, that's pretty impressive.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: Now she can still say whatever she wants because she's
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: married to Ben Affleck.
• 42:16
  Speaker 9: Well, and in fairness, because she's Jennifer Garner. She's, like,
• 42:19
  Speaker 9: for some reason, even without... I've never watched Alias, and
• 42:23
  Speaker 9: I haven't seen most of her films... I mean, like,
• 42:26
  Speaker 9: I've seen Juno and Daredevil, you know, which I think
• 42:30
  Speaker 9: showcase a diversity of sorts. But the thing is, in
• 42:34
  Speaker 9: a weird way, though, even I have this sensibility that
• 42:36
  Speaker 9: Jennifer Garner is somebody who, like, I can kind of respect.
• 42:40
  Speaker 8: Like, she doesn't take crap, you know?
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: She seems pretty cool, but it is one... I was
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: kind of amazed how much she's seemed to drop off lately.
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: And I really am like, is it just because she's
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: having kids? Like, is she actually putting parenthood before her career?
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Because in a way, I've got to respect that, too, but...
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: Most people in Hollywood will not do that.
• 42:57
  Speaker 7: She's also working on that marriage. I don't know if
• 43:00
  Speaker 7: you remember the acceptance speech, but it takes work. The
• 43:03
  Speaker 7: best kind of work.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: That's not how marriages in Hollywood go. I'm sorry.
• 43:07
  Speaker 8: Regardless, just real quick, I want to put a cap
• 43:10
  Speaker 8: on the Michael Bay thing.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: I think that.
• 43:14
  Speaker 9: What baffles me, I guess, like Jennifer Garner, it makes
• 43:18
  Speaker 9: sense that we're sort of like supporters of her. We
• 43:20
  Speaker 9: enjoy her work. We like hearing her in communication because
• 43:25
  Speaker 9: she strikes us as being someone who's pretty neat. Michael Bay,
• 43:29
  Speaker 9: on the other hand, even his fans are vociferous about like, well,
• 43:33
  Speaker 9: his movies are just supposed to be fun or they're
• 43:35
  Speaker 9: just supposed to be entertaining. Why are there such bafflingly
• 43:38
  Speaker 9: large numbers of them, one, who are so.
• 43:42
  Speaker 9: Obnoxious about the defense of these films like I've met
• 43:45
  Speaker 9: so many Transformers fans who are just like who are
• 43:49
  Speaker 9: just like hey you can't criticize Transformers it's just supposed
• 43:53
  Speaker 9: to be fun or it's just supposed to be entertaining
• 43:56
  Speaker 9: so shut your mouth like you know I'm just like
• 43:58
  Speaker 9: what okay what have you done to inspire these kinds
• 44:01
  Speaker 9: of people to be behind your movies like you know
• 44:04
  Speaker 9: people who simultaneously seem to anyway you get what.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: I'm saying and when does it get fun is my
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: question Yeah. That's just me. Yeah.
• 44:12
  Speaker 9: So that would be the thing I'd say about that,
• 44:16
  Speaker 9: just to put an end to it.
• 44:18
  Speaker 8: What is it about Michael Bay?
• 44:20
  Speaker 9: That's why I try to resist whenever I'm talking about him,
• 44:22
  Speaker 9: is to separate him from his fans as much as
• 44:25
  Speaker 9: possible in that regard. Because sometimes I can tell that
• 44:27
  Speaker 9: I'm mad at Michael Bay just because of the people
• 44:30
  Speaker 9: I've met in lines to go see Transformers when I'm
• 44:33
  Speaker 9: trying to see something else.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, since I won't really go into it because
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: I've already kind of covered it, but I did want
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: to ask your response because I didn't hear anything. Did
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: you see what I posted about the film that I
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: reviewed on the website? Which was basically my tie-in to
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: be like, if you're not paying attention, we're actually putting
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: written reviews on the website. So, you know, MovieMeltdown.com. Written reviews. Anyway.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: But my question was, as I got into review... Actually,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: I was totally... I'd already watched this movie. I had
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: my horrible things to say about it. I'd written two-thirds
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: of the review, at least. And then in going back
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: and checking stuff, I just kind of once again noticed
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: the name and clicked on the director's info. Did you
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: see what I posted about the Kiss of the Damned?
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: No.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: No. Because I posted it directly to you because you're
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: the main person I know who would care.
• 45:28
  Speaker 7: I couldn't follow that link, and I didn't know. I
• 45:31
  Speaker 7: saw the picture of Zan Cassavetes, but I didn't know
• 45:33
  Speaker 7: what it corresponded to.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: She is the writer-director of Kiss of the Damned.
• 45:38
  Speaker 7: And what is Kiss of the Damned?
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, God. Again, for the full rundown.
• 45:42
  Speaker 8: It's got a fabulous poster. I'm sorry.
• 45:45
  Speaker 9: It makes me think of those old horror movie posters
• 45:47
  Speaker 9: from the 70s, and I'm like, that's awesome.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: One of our people, I posted the picture of it.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: One of the guys on the Facebook page said that.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: He was like, wow, that poster's awesome. I'm like, Yeah,
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: I think my favorite thing about the movie is this poster.
• 45:59
  Speaker 8: Yeah, is that... Oh, wow.
• 46:01
  Speaker 9: It really is kind of my favorite part. Is that
• 46:02
  Speaker 9: Catherine Deneuve on the... Because that's what it looks like,
• 46:06
  Speaker 9: you know?
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: It kind of looks like her. I'm not familiar with
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: the other two.
• 46:08
  Speaker 9: But it looks like one of those, like, you know,
• 46:10
  Speaker 9: English or maybe French, like, actresses in one of the
• 46:13
  Speaker 9: Hammer films, you know, or something like that.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: The whole cast, except the main male lead, seems very Euro-trashy.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: But the.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: The Milo of Amiglia is sort of our main guy.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: And to me, he's like the only real recognizable person.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: The rest of them, I'm not, I'm sure they have
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: fine careers too. But yeah, I got midway into it
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: and like was writing that review and like clicked on
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: it and went, wait, wait, wait. The daughter of John
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: Cassavetes made this. The daughter of Gina Rowland made this.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: I was just like, what the hell?
• 46:46
  Speaker 7: Haven't we already suffered that realization with Nick Cassavetes? I mean, no,
• 46:52
  Speaker 7: let's be really honest.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: That's kind of why I wanted to ask you about
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: your thoughts.
• 46:55
  Speaker 7: There were never two more perfect people to meet and procreate.
• 47:00
  Speaker 7: And you would think that their children would be these
• 47:04
  Speaker 7: super geniuses of just limitless talent.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: Which she very well might be, but it's not coming
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: through in this movie for me.
• 47:11
  Speaker 7: She seems pretty.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: Yes, she's pretty, and she means well. I mean, again,
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: I'd already written the whole review, and then I started
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: reading this thing of like, well, okay, I mean, she
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: seems like she was really interested in this. Like, she
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: seems to really like the genre, and she was interested
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: in this idea of, like, vampires trying to find some
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: sort of humanity in, like, searching for this ideal life
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: because I guess they have eternity to do so, which
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: it's a little too Harlequin romance-y for me.
• 47:42
  Speaker 7: She was a very good child actress. I mean, you
• 47:44
  Speaker 7: have to keep in mind, Nick Cassavetes directed The Notebook.
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 47:50
  Speaker 7: I mean, the man that directed Woman Under the Influence
• 47:54
  Speaker 7: and Minnie and Moskowitz and Love Streams spawned something that
• 48:00
  Speaker 7: made a movie called The Notebook. Wow.
• 48:04
  Speaker 9: A movie that you get the feeling that, like, I mean,
• 48:07
  Speaker 9: I don't know, of course, how his dad felt about that,
• 48:10
  Speaker 9: but I get the impression that, like, Cassavetes, when he
• 48:12
  Speaker 9: was younger, was the kind of director who wanted to
• 48:14
  Speaker 9: haul out directors who directed things like The Notebook and
• 48:17
  Speaker 9: shoot them. Like, literally, like, haul them behind a theater
• 48:20
  Speaker 9: and shoot them. And Lucy's nodding. She agrees with me.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: Again.
• 48:24
  Speaker 8: Like, I imagine... Did he keep this project a secret
• 48:27
  Speaker 8: from his father?
• 48:29
  Speaker 7: Well, he was deceased at that point.
• 48:31
  Speaker 8: Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: If not, that would have killed him. But that's just.
• 48:34
  Speaker 9: I know, but the thing was, is, like, was the...
• 48:36
  Speaker 9: was he like, it was his dad like, so what
• 48:38
  Speaker 9: kind of movies do you want to make son? And
• 48:40
  Speaker 9: his son was like, uh, art films, you know, or,
• 48:44
  Speaker 9: or some spiral bound movies, please.
• 48:46
  Speaker 7: Well, the first disrespectful thing that he did, and I
• 48:48
  Speaker 7: actually feel badly speaking ill of him because I've, I've
• 48:51
  Speaker 7: heard nice things about him as a person. And I'm,
• 48:53
  Speaker 7: I'm sure he's Cassandra seems very nice. And since I
• 48:56
  Speaker 7: drove Reese Witherspoon to drinking, I don't, I don't want
• 49:00
  Speaker 7: to ruin more lives.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: I hope you're happy about that. That was your fault.
• 49:03
  Speaker 7: But, um, The first thing that he did that rubbed
• 49:08
  Speaker 7: me the wrong way was when he made that script.
• 49:12
  Speaker 7: And I've already forgotten the name of the film with
• 49:14
  Speaker 7: Sean Penn and Robin, then Wright Penn, that was the unprecedented.
• 49:20
  Speaker 7: Film that John Cassavetes was going to make. And actually,
• 49:23
  Speaker 7: Harry Dean Stanton's in it, and I still thought it
• 49:25
  Speaker 7: was terrible. I thought it just completely missed the spirit
• 49:29
  Speaker 7: of all of his father's work.
• 49:31
  Speaker 8: I'm talking now because Lucy has to be a storekeep.
• 49:35
  Speaker 7: You can have one of those if you like.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: You're very welcome. Man has porpoises all over his shirt.
• 49:42
  Speaker 7: I liked that very much.
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 49:43
  Speaker 8: I think they were actually killer whales. They were killer
• 49:46
  Speaker 8: whales all over that shirt.
• 49:48
  Speaker 7: I liked it a lot. I was going to compliment him,
• 49:49
  Speaker 7: but then I felt like giving him stuff and then
• 49:51
  Speaker 7: complimenting him would be too much.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: Now you're just suckering him into something. You're going to
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: try to get him to invest in your real estate.
• 49:58
  Speaker 9: You can still chase after him. Hey, hey, I wanted
• 50:03
  Speaker 9: to say I really loved your killer whale shirt.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: And I have some Swampland.
• 50:06
  Speaker 7: I'll meet him in the food truck line.
• 50:11
  Speaker 8: I mean, I don't want to seem like I'm desperate
• 50:12
  Speaker 8: or anything.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: I just wanted to tell you that I like your shirt.
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: So now I'm picturing you in the line behind him
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: in the food truck being like, hey, so remember me.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: I wanted to tell you I really like your shirt.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: All right, all right.
• 50:24
  Speaker 9: We have to pass beyond the part of the show
• 50:25
  Speaker 9: where we're embarrassing Lucy. Because that part of the show
• 50:28
  Speaker 9: will come later as well. We don't want you to
• 50:32
  Speaker 9: think you're off the hook, Lucy. We're just giving you
• 50:34
  Speaker 9: a temporary reprieve until we can find another advantageous moment.
• 50:38
  Speaker 9: Like if that killer whale shirt guy walks by again.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: We'll whistle at him and be like, just point to
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: you for a few minutes. So, yeah, I don't know.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: That's the thing. I won't go too much into the
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: whole movie. The reviews on there, I have issues with it.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: And I think it's mostly writing. I think visually, what
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: is your version of how she says that? I think
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: it's actually Cassandra, isn't it? That's her birth name.
• 51:05
  Speaker 7: Is it Cassandra? Okay, I thought it was Alexandria or
• 51:08
  Speaker 7: something like that.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: Or maybe it is. Is it Alexandria?
• 51:09
  Speaker 7: I think it's Zan is how she says it. Zan, okay.
• 51:11
  Speaker 7: Zan Cassavetes. And yeah, she was in a lot of
• 51:13
  Speaker 7: her dad's movies when she was a kid. I mean,
• 51:15
  Speaker 7: when they would need kids, they'd throw in their kids,
• 51:17
  Speaker 7: the Seymour Cassell's kids, and whatever kids were lying around.
• 51:21
  Speaker 7: So that's her only work I know.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, yeah, and this is her first, like,
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: story-based feature like she did a documentary and then she
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: did this and like again i think visually she's got
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: she's got skill like i think she really does she
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: she delivers these like dreamy gothy romantic you know visuals
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: and that's the kind of thing she was going for
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: in this movie so i think visually she can do
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: that kind of stuff but i have a lot of
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: issues with the writing.
• 51:48
  Speaker 7: How is it on emotional truth I asked. I know
• 51:52
  Speaker 7: that sounds like a very, now you're just cracking up.
• 51:55
  Speaker 7: But I found, I mean, I almost feel like Nick
• 51:57
  Speaker 7: Cassavetes is a sociopath. Like, I feel like, now's where
• 52:00
  Speaker 7: I just start straight trashing him. I was like, no, no, no,
• 52:03
  Speaker 7: let's hang on a minute.
• 52:05
  Speaker 8: Gloves are off.
• 52:06
  Speaker 7: I mean, what makes John Cassavetes' films so amazing is
• 52:09
  Speaker 7: just how human they are and how he can just
• 52:12
  Speaker 7: see through all of the bullshit and he can make
• 52:15
  Speaker 7: films that resonate so much. And I feel like Nick
• 52:19
  Speaker 7: Cassavetes is just surface notebook bullshit. I mean, there was
• 52:23
  Speaker 7: nothing about those relationships that felt real or tender or profound.
• 52:26
  Speaker 7: I know with Fierce, 13-year-old girl, they do. But there's
• 52:29
  Speaker 7: nothing actually nuanced about those characters.
• 52:32
  Speaker 8: The interesting thing to me is that.
• 52:35
  Speaker 9: You know, you spoke a lot about Cassandra, is her name,
• 52:38
  Speaker 9: her technique, her... Alexandria, we can't decide.
• 52:41
  Speaker 8: Whichever, yeah.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: We'll go with Zan, because that's how she... She even
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: on the poster bills herself as that.
• 52:47
  Speaker 8: Zan Zelda, whatever she is, said, Zan Zen Zelda, my
• 52:52
  Speaker 8: new character name.
• 52:54
  Speaker 6: She.
• 52:55
  Speaker 9: You talked about her technical skill, and I want to
• 52:58
  Speaker 9: support what Lucy said about Cassavetes. One of the interesting
• 53:01
  Speaker 9: things to me is how he was able to achieve, like,
• 53:03
  Speaker 9: I think back to some of his early work like Faces,
• 53:06
  Speaker 9: which is a film of great stylistic ability, but in
• 53:11
  Speaker 9: the surface of more or less pure emotional response. There
• 53:15
  Speaker 9: is a lot of stylistic manipulation, like dropping off of
• 53:20
  Speaker 9: sound and really interesting raw camera technique. But at the
• 53:25
  Speaker 9: same time, never do we feel emotionally distant from what's
• 53:28
  Speaker 9: going on.
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: It just brings us way closer.
• 53:30
  Speaker 9: And that's kind of the neat thing about Cassavetes is
• 53:32
  Speaker 9: that You can watch some of those really experimental films
• 53:34
  Speaker 9: from that period in Europe or the United States, and
• 53:36
  Speaker 9: sometimes they feel kind of sterile, or they feel kind
• 53:38
  Speaker 9: of disconnected. And that's sometimes part of their message. The
• 53:41
  Speaker 9: New Wave guys definitely had their weird relationship with emotions
• 53:45
  Speaker 9: and how to register emotions, but Cassavetes was, no, no,
• 53:48
  Speaker 9: it's going to be raw, it's going to be to
• 53:49
  Speaker 9: the bone all the time. Whereas Nick seems like, I
• 53:53
  Speaker 9: don't know, he's mastered the romantic blockbuster, which is, of course,
• 53:57
  Speaker 9: its own sort of style now.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: And that's The Notebook.
• 54:01
  Speaker 8: It's this very straightforward Hollywood film.
• 54:04
  Speaker 9: And then simultaneously we got Zan, who apparently has technical
• 54:10
  Speaker 9: skill but not the depth of her dad. I just
• 54:12
  Speaker 9: think it's interesting because their dad had married those two
• 54:15
  Speaker 9: so very, very well.
• 54:16
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 54:17
  Speaker 7: But you've got to keep in mind, too, some of
• 54:18
  Speaker 7: the stuff about those early films of John Cassavetes weren't
• 54:22
  Speaker 7: choices that he made. A lot of it was just,
• 54:24
  Speaker 7: you know, we're a bunch of friends. Let's make a movie. Hey,
• 54:27
  Speaker 7: you play the guitar. You want to be the sound person? Like,
• 54:30
  Speaker 7: you know stuff about audio, right?
• 54:31
  Speaker 8: You know, I think that's fair to say.
• 54:33
  Speaker 9: But at the same time, I think that, you know, sorry,
• 54:36
  Speaker 9: having been in that situation a couple of times, I
• 54:38
  Speaker 9: feel like I can say that, weirdly enough that I
• 54:43
  Speaker 9: remember that convinced me thinking that like and seeing like
• 54:46
  Speaker 9: clerks and and you know an early like new wave
• 54:49
  Speaker 9: films and stuff I was just like yeah I'm gonna
• 54:51
  Speaker 9: get out there with like handheld black and white camera
• 54:53
  Speaker 9: I'm gonna make a masterpiece. Like, you know, cause, cause
• 54:56
  Speaker 9: I don't got nothing. And so I'll of course come
• 54:58
  Speaker 9: up with all these and it's like, no, no, like there,
• 55:01
  Speaker 9: there has to, no, no, I really don't got nothing.
• 55:04
  Speaker 9: You know, John Cassavetes, like, I guess my point is,
• 55:07
  Speaker 9: is that no, what you're saying is absolutely right. He
• 55:09
  Speaker 9: was definitely control. He was definitely constrained by his resources
• 55:12
  Speaker 9: and whatnot. But the point is that he had that
• 55:15
  Speaker 9: eye and that vision and, to bring together those elements in.
• 55:17
  Speaker 8: A way that worked really well.
• 55:19
  Speaker 7: Absolutely.
• 55:20
  Speaker 9: And he had that style from the beginning. He had
• 55:23
  Speaker 9: that rawness from the beginning. And it's just interesting because
• 55:28
  Speaker 9: the combination of the two, like technical ability and the
• 55:33
  Speaker 9: ability to really direct people, is not common.
• 55:36
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's true. And I think his background as an
• 55:39
  Speaker 7: actor as well, I mean, knowing... what it takes to
• 55:42
  Speaker 7: bring something out in a person. I mean, his ability
• 55:45
  Speaker 7: to work with actors and then to have those actors
• 55:47
  Speaker 7: be his friends and his family and the people that
• 55:49
  Speaker 7: are closest to him. I mean, all of those films
• 55:51
  Speaker 7: have just such a great, just, I mean, there's so
• 55:53
  Speaker 7: much love in them because they were made by people
• 55:56
  Speaker 7: starring people that were a family.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 56:00
  Speaker 7: And maybe that was the situation with Ryan Gosling and
• 56:02
  Speaker 7: Nick Cassavetti. I can't, I can't speak to that.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: Who knows? What I think is just based on these
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: last two conversations, it's sort of the perfect balance. Like,
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: the notebook is transformers 2 i mean it is it
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: is exactly the same thing because you can't argue that
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: movie doesn't work for somebody and a lot of somebody
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: so it's like it may be in in many people's
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: mind like devoid of anything useful or real but same
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: with transformers 2 and they both made a fortune to
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: like the opposite ends like here's what the guy went
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: and saw and here's what the girl they had split
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: up in the lobby and met back up at the
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: end and drove home and like I don't know.
• 56:40
  Speaker 8: Had a great night.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: It works. Yeah, I mean, they work for somebody. It's
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: funny that, like, we have so many issues with them,
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: and most people, probably most people listening to the show
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: will have issues with both of those things. They don't
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: want to watch Transformers. They don't want to watch The Notebook.
• 56:54
  Speaker 7: But, like.
• 56:55
  Speaker 8: But they probably have watched them.
• 56:57
  Speaker 11: Oh, yeah.
• 56:57
  Speaker 9: Because they have definitely been in a time where they
• 56:59
  Speaker 9: were surrounded by six or seven friends who were all like...
• 57:02
  Speaker 9: the notebook is happening right now.
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: And i'm enough of a geek that laura broke.
• 57:07
  Speaker 8: Up with her boyfriend we're watching it again god damn.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: It i don't want to talk about this stuff if
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: i haven't seen it so i watched transformers i saw
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: that first one in the theater until i learned my
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: lesson and didn't go back to the rest of them
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: but like it's one i feel like i need to
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: watch the stuff before i start talking smack about it
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: but but yeah it's just funny that like there's such
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: a divide in Not just this country, I would say
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: this country, but probably more so in the world because
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: those ridiculous movies like Transformers work so well once you
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: leave this country that like they have an appeal that
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: I don't understand and I can't really put my finger on,
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: but like they make billions of dollars with this kind
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: of nonsense.
• 57:44
  Speaker 9: Well, you know, this is one of those situations where
• 57:47
  Speaker 9: the easy thing to say is that critics or those
• 57:51
  Speaker 9: of us with critical, who consider ourselves to have critical
• 57:54
  Speaker 9: apperception of films, you know, you really need to be
• 57:57
  Speaker 9: wearing more clothing if you're sick.
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, what are you doing out here? It's just
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: You make it.
• 58:01
  Speaker 7: Sound like I'm naked. I'm wearing a sweater and a skirt.
• 58:04
  Speaker 9: You're wearing a sweater with holes in it. You're wearing
• 58:07
  Speaker 9: a sweater with holes in it that doesn't even go
• 58:08
  Speaker 9: up to your wrists. It's a capri sweater.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: And that's it. Just that sweater. That's all she's got.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: You really should come out to our live shows, people.
• 58:17
  Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah.
• 58:18
  Speaker 9: They're a lot more exciting than you think. And Brian's
• 58:20
  Speaker 9: wearing nothing but his hat. I really like his hat.
• 58:22
  Speaker 9: And I'm just wearing my assless chaps.
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: Like always.
• 58:25
  Speaker 9: But the point is that the easy thing that people
• 58:30
  Speaker 9: say about those of us who claim to have critical
• 58:32
  Speaker 9: apperception in films is that we're detached from film. We
• 58:36
  Speaker 9: don't actually understand anything about film. We just like to
• 58:39
  Speaker 9: talk about film.
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: We're also usually detached from normal society.
• 58:42
  Speaker 8: Well, that's just it.
• 58:43
  Speaker 9: To sort of walk away from that attitude, let's let's
• 58:48
  Speaker 9: face it, I remember it was a big revelation for me. No, seriously,
• 58:52
  Speaker 9: like this only happened like a couple of years ago
• 58:54
  Speaker 9: when I realized that, wow. So, I listen to music,
• 58:59
  Speaker 9: like all music that I listen to, I listen to
• 59:00
  Speaker 9: because I kind of want it to change my life. No, seriously,
• 59:03
  Speaker 9: like I rarely put in a CD where I'm just like,
• 59:06
  Speaker 9: where I'm not asking myself, okay, how's this going to
• 59:08
  Speaker 9: change my life?
• 59:09
  Speaker 8: And then after like, you know, it's a lot of
• 59:10
  Speaker 8: pressure yeah well it.
• 59:11
  Speaker 9: Is but you know it's also how things are it
• 59:14
  Speaker 9: took me a while to realize that wow when people
• 59:17
  Speaker 9: put in cds sometimes they really just want a sound
• 59:20
  Speaker 9: playing around them while they like get dressed to go
• 59:22
  Speaker 9: to work you know and i I know you're staring
• 59:26
  Speaker 9: at me like I'm a weirdo here, but it's true.
• 59:28
  Speaker 9: I was baffled when I discovered that sometimes people just
• 59:31
  Speaker 9: watch movies just to have something on.
• 59:34
  Speaker 8: They're not watching it like, okay, how is this going
• 59:36
  Speaker 8: to be awesome? Or something like that.
• 59:38
  Speaker 9: They just kind of, what they say, want to be entertained.
• 59:45
  Speaker 9: I rarely approached my entertainment that way.
• 59:48
  Speaker 7: I'm actually one of those people. I think if a
• 59:51
  Speaker 7: film aspires to be important.
• 59:55
  Speaker 7: And it fails and it just winds up being trivial
• 59:57
  Speaker 7: but mildly entertaining, then it's a failure and I don't
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 7: like it. But as long as the movie's just like,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 7: let's have this be fun, I'm all about a fun movie.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 9: No, excuse me, I don't want to sound like I
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 9: never listen to anything that's fun or I say in
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 9: the most dour voice I can.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 8: Or watch like a fun movie.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 9: Like actually that's one of the ways in which I
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 9: try to defend John Carter to people all the time.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 9: Cause that's a, that's a movie that I think could
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 9: have been so much better. But at the same time,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 9: I kind of just want to say people watch that movie.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: I like that movie.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: I like that movie.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 9: Uh, uh, in fact, I think in some ways it's,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 9: it's comparable to what the prequels should have been.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: You know, it's also comparable to what the source material,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: like it was a pulpy story.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 9: And I read, I read pulp sci-fi like, like, like
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 9: Edgar Rice Burroughs all the time. And you know, I,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 9: I think that that's great. And I, and, but it's,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 9: there's a weird mentality though. And maybe it's the transformers fan. Uh,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 9: I don't know what, what it is, but there's a
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 9: weird mentality that's very resistant to certain films being criticized and,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 9: because they are quote-unquote fun. The Notebook is one of
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 9: these films. People will defend that movie to the death
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 9: for whatever reason, and that's, I think, one of the
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 9: reasons it earns our ire. It's because what has this
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 9: movie done to earn so many people's devotion?
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 7: I mean, I gotta say, I saw it opening weekend
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 7: and hated it before anybody liked it. But that sounded
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 7: really hipster.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: I was hating that before it was cool to hate that.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 9: Yeah, you can't see it right now, but she's totally
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 9: wearing a fedora on top of her fedora.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 7: But it was just, I mean, it's schlocky, like, I mean,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 7: it's a terrible movie. It's silly and it's... trite and
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 7: it's just lots of swelling music and.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: I'm one of those that will allow people to like
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: what they like and like again.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 7: I don't know you're not allowed to like the notebook.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: But i like i like a lot of crap and
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: i realize that and i'm just like you know i
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: will disagree with you guys with your transformers and your notebooks.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 9: See i take a i take a different stance i
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 9: say you can like what you like but you shouldn't
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 9: ever let other people like what they.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: Like see the thing about the notebook.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 7: Is it is the kind of film that offends me
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 7: because it does aspire to something no this is it
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 7: aspires to actually it's pretending to be a good movie
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 7: it's I'm gonna work out a really good metaphor in
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 7: my head and I'll come up with it by the
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 7: end of the show but I mean if it was
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 7: just like oh here's the romance but it wants to
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 7: be iconic and powerful and somehow is just by the
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 7: weight of its own assertion I'm sorry I I'm suddenly
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 7: thinking back to another movie, Dances with Wolves. Which I've
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 7: never actually seen.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 9: Okay, well, I often think of it, Lucy says she's
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 9: never seen it.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 8: I think of it as a.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 7: I like how you said it like it's a claim
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 7: and not a role.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 8: Sorry, I was trying to repeat it. I was trying
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 8: to repeat it for the mic.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 9: But anyways, allegedly, she's never seen it.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 8: Lies, it's all lies.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 9: But really, of course, she's seen all of Kevin Costner
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 9: films like five times in a row.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 8: But the truth is, is that.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 9: I think that movie is pretty much like the prototypical
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 9: 90s historical wannabe epic film. It's got the swelling strings
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 9: and all the appropriate scenes just to tell you that
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 9: this is the moment where you should be feeling emotional
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 9: and things like that. And there is a style of
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 9: filmmaking that really seems to play into that. People show
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 9: minor interest in our wares and then wander off.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 7: I always feel like the girl at the dance that's
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 7: just sort of like sitting up a little straighter when
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 7: people come by and pick me, pick me.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 8: I know better.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: I just go hang out in the corner.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 9: Well, you are surrounded by the two slouching guys who
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 9: are still not dancing. So, yeah, this is a reproduction
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 9: of that experience for all of us. We're selling more stuff.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 8: Oh, yay!
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 7: You're a real Harry Dean Stan fan. That's fantastic.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 12: It's pretty exciting.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: Awesome.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 12: I didn't know.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 7: Yeah, third year. It's in Lexington. It's a little drive,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 7: but worth it.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 12: A friend of mine delivered a pizza to him one time.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: No way! In Los Angeles? No, in Los Angeles.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 5: Hang on.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 8: It's beautiful.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 12: He was at the hotel where the... Do you mind?
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: Wait, can we have this story on the air?
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 8: So this lady says that.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 9: It's actually right over there.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: I can't even come over here.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 12: But he delivered a pizza to Harry Dean Stanton.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: That was your.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 12: Probably in the early 90s. Okay, so yeah.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: Come over and tell the story.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 8: Yeah, your brother, sorry? My friend. Your friend.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 12: My little friend.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 8: Friend delivered a pizza to Harry Dean Stanton.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 11: Right over here.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 12: That is my Harry Dean Stanton.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 7: Come here.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: Tell. Come and tell your story.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 8: Oh, this friend is here.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he seems like a friend.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 11: Okay.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 7: I've made this story my own.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 12: I actually delivered a pizza to Harry.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 8: At this point, you might as well own it.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: Oh, fuck him.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 12: He's not going to come over here and tell the story.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 12: Fuck him.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 8: That makes the story mine, right?
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 11: Exactly.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 9: You are all the stories that you own for yourself.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 9: So go ahead and take that one, too.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and we have a new doc... The one I'm
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 7: most excited about, this documentary, Partly Fiction, that just came out. Well,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 7: it hasn't actually come out.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 12: It's a pre-release.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 7: It won't come out until later in the summer. So
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 7: we're one of the first... festivals has gotten to show
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 7: it in.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 12: America is it where people tell lies about having a whole.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 7: Pizza section family and friends you could be one of
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 7: the friends i feel like if he doesn't want his
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 7: story then i should probably yeah i could get some
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 7: more details about what kind of pizza it was oh
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 7: i actually really do want to know whether he was.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 12: In his pajamas or not there are things we want
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 12: to know do you.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 7: If you can find out and report back.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 8: We'll be here all day.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 12: Just in a towel with cowboy boots.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: That's how I picture most of the time.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 11: Good work.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: Keep up the good work. Lucy, you were on that.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: That's a tie in here. I think I was born
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: to own the store.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 8: That you work at and sell stuff.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 9: I confess, I forget everything I say immediately after I
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 9: say it. People sometimes accuse me of like, but you
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 9: said this like months ago to me. And I was
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 9: just like, I was a different person. It's my standard
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 9: bullshit line. Well, I've been through a lot of changes
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 9: since then. My cell structure is very different than it
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 9: was at the time.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: Coping with all these changes right now. I've listened to
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: a lot of David Bowie. And he has changed your life.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 8: Yes.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 9: You can call that my Ziggy phase when I said
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 9: that to you, and now I'm more in my Berlin period.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 9: So we probably want to get back to something to
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 9: talk about.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: Did we exhaust all the things we were ranting about?
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know. You finished your notebook rant?
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I think we were kind of doing a sort of,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 9: movies we've seen lately thing.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: Well i was gonna throw one out there just because
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: it's actually recent while it's still sort of a current
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: thing uh and see if you saw it which uh
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: i i did go see iron man 3 me too have.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 7: You seen i have not okay okay.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: We won't ruin anything two for three but i again
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: i was done and i'm just like well um and
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: it's the same thing i said like the first movie
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: like i'm just like there's one thing that sells this
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: movie it's called robert downey jr He just owns that,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: and specifically that role. Tony Stark is him. And it's
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: funny that it's become that, because I've said this before.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: I was like, that first movie, that's not true. He's
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: not this super successful, cocky jackass that's king of the world.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: That first movie, he was down on some hard times,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: and he was making that comeback and fighting to get
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: back to that point. and actually rose bigger than he
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: ever was in the 80s. But it's funny that now,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: watching him in 2 and 3, he's almost just playing
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: Robert Downey Jr. at this point because he really is
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: that A-list Hollywood superstar. He's got money again. He can
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: do whatever the hell he wants in that town. It's
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: funny to watch him play that on screen because it's
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: actually come true in the real world.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 9: We can talk about Robert Downey Jr. 's career as
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 9: an entire episode. I wish, honestly, I was more acquainted
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 9: with it Because most of his early stuff I still
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 9: haven't seen, and I really want to. But the Iron
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 9: Man movies are an interesting paradox to me as Marvel movies.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 9: I mean, on the one hand, they are a lot
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 9: of fun. I really do enjoy them. But on the other,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 9: when I look at them as films, I'm almost invariably underwhelmed.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 9: I find them workmanlike, but not particularly inspired a lot
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 9: of the time.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: I would not say that about the first one. I
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: think the first one's really good. It's a different kind
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: of superhero. No, no, no.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 9: I would agree with that. I'm just saying, even so,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 9: I find them typically... Typically, it's Robert Downey Jr. 's
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 9: performance that really blows me out of the water more
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 9: than anything else about the film. But the big paradox
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 9: in the movies, I think, for me, as a comic
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 9: books fan, is the fact that They made a bunch
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 9: of Iron Man movies that are that embody kind of
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 9: a paradox both of production and of storytelling which is
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 9: the paradox of storytelling is the iron man movies are
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 9: all about the armor you know like he's not really
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 9: iron man until he puts on the armor and there
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 9: are all kinds of metaphors and themes that are bound
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 9: up in that but the production paradox is that you
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 9: can't have a movie where a guy named Robert Downey Jr.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 9: spends his entire time with his face covered.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 8: So what are you going to do?
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 9: Like, so of course the, the, the conflict, and I
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 9: feel like this is actually really interestingly handled in the
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 9: third film is the difference between like, what are we
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 9: going to do about the armor, not armor question? Like, like, uh,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 9: how are we going to handle this issue of making
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 9: a movie, which all the major scenes of which he
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 9: has to be in this thing that covers up the
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 9: fact that he's Robert Downey Jr.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 8: Um, so that theme I think has been pretty well explored.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: Uh, I don't think they've had, I don't think they
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: even worried about it as much in these other, I mean,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: they obviously did as an issue just making the movie,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: but I think it really comes into play in this
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: one and I like the way it comes.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 9: Yeah, no, that's, that's kind of what I wanted to
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 9: gesture as that, like the other two films, like the
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 9: first two films, I, I feel like that was in
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 9: the background. That's one of the things that made the
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 9: first film such an interesting film is like watching him,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 9: developed the suit of armor as like an extension of himself.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 9: And he says at the end of the first film,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 9: I am Iron Man. Like he, he pronounces it like
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 9: it's always something he owns. Like, you know, it's something
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 9: he's really big about. Um, but then that sort of
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 9: goes in shades through the second film and then the Avengers.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 9: And then back to this third film where again, they're
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 9: confronted with the question of how do we make a
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 9: movie about a super hero named Iron Man and and
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 9: yet have him in his armor as little as possible
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 9: through the movie or something without looking like we're trying
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 9: to have him in his armor as little as possible.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: And this one definitely finds that way to do it.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 8: Yeah, so I think that's just really interesting.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 9: Anyway, so that was sort of my take on Iron
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 9: Man 3, at least as far as that theme is concerned.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that was the bulk of
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: it for me. I think it's so much based around
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: how he... plays Tony Stark, and how much of his
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: character comes through, and how they, the way they, again,
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: this one's, I think Shane Black came in to do
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: this one, and I like the way it's written. It's
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: written in a way that, like, is not, again, a
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: not a normal superhero movie. It's not a schmaltzy little, oh,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: here's the kid angle. We're going to work in the kid,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: and we're going to have heartwarming moments. He has one
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: of the several of the best lines in the movie
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: are made to this small child, and he's a complete
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: and utter bastard to this child.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 8: And I'm like, that's the Robert Downey Jr.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 9: By the way, it bears noting, though, this is, again,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 9: I think part of the brilliance of this film, these films,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 9: like where it is, is with sort of Robert Downey Jr.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 9: 's performance, and I know that they wrote a lot
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 9: of the lines there because they, or I, sorry, I
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 9: assume that they wrote a lot of the lines in
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 9: that film because they knew that he could deliver them
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 9: in the right way, because there's The thing is, when
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 9: he first meets that kid, there's an instant connection. You
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 9: see that when he first looks at the kid's little workshop.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 9: He's just like, oh, I get it.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: This kid's kind of... And they're both.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 9: The thing is, yeah, he's a total bastard to this kid,
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 9: but also the kid is a little shit to him constantly.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 9: The kid tries to blatantly emotionally manipulate him at every turn.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 9: And Tony Stark's like... Well, I'll manipulate you back. Screw you.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 9: It's two small children talking amongst themselves. That's why you
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 9: never feel like it's bad. It's because at no point
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 9: do you feel like Tony Stark is the adult who's
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 9: abusing his privilege with this small child emotionally.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 8: No way.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: No way.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 8: They are totally on the same... Anyway, sorry, Lucy. I'm
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 8: going to stop with this.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 9: But the point is that, yeah, what brilliance there is
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 9: in those films definitely comes from the fact that Without
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 9: Robert Downey Jr. 's performance, you couldn't make such a
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 9: unique character. And you couldn't build... And the films would
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 9: not be unique without that unique character at the center
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 9: of them, is my thing. Because what I mean about
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 9: the workmanlike thing is the conflicts, the struggles, the resolutions,
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 9: everything else kind of plays out the way I'd see
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 9: it in any other film.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 8: With Robert Downey Jr.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 9: though, at the heart of it, it always feels real
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 9: fresh and kind of unexpected.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: Well, and what I always thought was cool, especially in
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: that first one, is how grounded it is. Like, that
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: first one in particular is, like, such a real, like, again,
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: it's so different for a superhero movie. Like, it's not, hey, I'm,
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: you know, fighting supervillain. Again, they get to that later, but, like,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: so much of it in the beginning is, like, he
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: gets abducted by terrorists, you know? I mean, it's sort
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: of centered in the real world, and, like, he's... he
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: ends up, like, you know, building this big clunky metal
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: thing that, like, is actually a real world kind of
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: thing in the beginning there, and then it becomes this weird,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: you know, CG polished thing later, and it becomes a
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: little more of a superhero, but it starts off in
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: such a real world, you know? It's like, he's not,
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: he's dealing with selling arms to other countries, you know?
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: It's like, it's something that they don't normally get into in, like,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: you know, the DC universe, when you get a big
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: happy Superman movie, and, you know, it's all about these
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: ideal situations and Superman's always, you know, defending the honor
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: of America and the rest of the world.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: Where this is just like, it's like, it's very down
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: in the dirt dealing with him selling arms to other countries,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: kidnapped by terrorists, you know, kept hostage.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 9: You know, that's, that's, that's one of the things, the
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 9: advantages that I think Marvel has over DC in some
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 9: respects is that the DC heroes that have continued to
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 9: maintain their popularity. And this is not by the way,
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 9: a knock against DC. DC has a, enormous roster, actually,
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 9: very interesting characters that don't get enough love.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: I always grew up with more of the DC thing,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: so it's funny now that I'm sort of discovering all those.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 9: Yeah, to my mind, DC, like, DC had an occult
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 9: sort of line of comic books, a bunch of, like,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 9: characters that come off as, like, these weird left-field superheroes,
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 9: and I don't know, they've had some interesting stuff, but
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 9: the ones that have survived are so archetypal, like Batman
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 9: and Superman, that making a film about them is sort
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 9: of inherently complex. Okay, we got the story guy again,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 9: the guy who delivered pizza to Harry Dean Stanton walking by.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: I will not tell this story. Anyway, he's not telling
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: his story.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 9: Anyways, though, but you're right, is that the Iron Man
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 9: films have such, it's like, The first film and the
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 9: third film really belong in the trilogy.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 8: The second film is kind of a, eh, it's a throwaway.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: Who cares? Yeah, I had issues with the second, but again,
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: I don't even blame... Yeah, it's not even a bad...
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: I don't even blame Favreau, really. It's like, that was
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: the machine. Like, that is why we had Avengers.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: And Avengers works, but I don't think they could have
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: put all those pieces together. They couldn't have tied everybody in.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: without doing something like Iron Man 2, and the thing is,
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: it kind of ruined Iron Man 2 in the process.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 9: Yeah, no, it's, Iron, yeah, no, and I'm sympathetic to
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 9: that view, but the thing is, 3 concludes what we
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 9: saw in 1, or at least it brings it to
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 9: a new place, which is, in one you know you
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 9: mentioned he's abducted by terrorists so what's the first thing
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 9: that he does i mean this is of course his
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 9: way of getting out was building the suit but the
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 9: first thing he does when he gets home safe alone
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 9: oh hell no he's not safe alone he immediately goes
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 9: down into his little cave and starts building another suit
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 9: of armor and then going out to get him and
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 9: it's like and the funny thing is about that is
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 9: of course yeah sure then he goes after him but
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  Speaker 9: but does he like no he's like He's cocooning himself.
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  Speaker 8: And that line is.
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  Speaker 9: Used in the in the in the third film is
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 9: like he immediately retreats into his world of machines and
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 9: weapons and like technology. And he builds a cocoon which
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 9: will keep him safe and everyone else, too, because, you know,
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  Speaker 9: I can't let this happen to other people. And he
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  Speaker 9: totally like the film never really brings this up. in
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 9: the first one, but he totally goes into post-traumatic lockdown.
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  Speaker 9: That's what half of that film is, is him going
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 9: into egotistical post-traumatic lockdown, and then the third film deals
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 9: with the fallout of that plus the Avengers.
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  Speaker 1: The Avengers. I like that they... And again, most movies,
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  Speaker 1: especially sequels and superhero kind of stuff, don't have that
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  Speaker 1: through line where they're like, okay, not only do we
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  Speaker 1: acknowledge what just happened in the last movie, but... He's
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  Speaker 1: still dealing with what just happened.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: That was wonderful.
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  Speaker 9: Not to mention the fact that they did something which
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  Speaker 9: I was afraid they were actually going to do with
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 9: the Avengers movie when it occurred to me because I realized, oh, crap.
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  Speaker 8: Like, out of all those movies, Iron Man was the
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  Speaker 8: biggest movie.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: Like, they could.
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  Speaker 9: I've seen the posters, man. They could very easily make
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  Speaker 9: the Avengers movie... the Tony Stark movie. They could make
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 9: it the Iron Man 4 or something. And it's arguable whether.
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  Speaker 1: He, I mean, he does still kind of steal the show.
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  Speaker 9: Well, sure, but I would argue, yeah, I would argue
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  Speaker 9: it's more because it's Robert Downey Jr. Again, it's his performance.
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  Speaker 9: I wish that he had, as much as I love
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  Speaker 9: Mark Ruffalo, I wish that Edward Norton had been around
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  Speaker 9: because I would have loved to have seen those two
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  Speaker 9: go head and head.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of, yeah, I was so impressed with Mark Ruffalo.
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  Speaker 9: Well, that's because it's Mark Ruffalo and he's an incredible actor.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 9: But still, I'm a huge Edward Norton fan. That's also
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 9: why I say that. Giving more stuff away. But anyway,
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  Speaker 9: finish my thought there. The funny thing is, to me,
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  Speaker 9: after Avengers, they could have made that the Tony Stark movie.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't.
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  Speaker 9: And then in Iron Man 3, what's one of the
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 9: first things that he says is, I was just up
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 9: there with gods and heroes from World War II, and
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 9: I'm just a dude in a tin can.
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  Speaker 8: He's totally melting down.
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  Speaker 9: I was like, dude that was such a road they
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 9: didn't have to take and they did and that was
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 9: wonderful like of showing like iron man in a weak
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 9: place because of the people he was just confronted with
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 9: and tony stark in that place you know.
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  Speaker 1: That's what i've always sort of respected about that that
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: situation with with batman like he's he's a real guy
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: and especially once you get into that dc universe and
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: he's dealing with you know you're a god from another
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: planet who can fly and do whatever you want and
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: I've got a gun that shoots things. Really, in the
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: animated series, they do some really impressive stuff in those
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: straight-to-DVD releases where they're just kind of like, he's dealing
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: with people who all around him actually have superpowers, and
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: he doesn't. So it's funny, I hadn't paid that much
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: attention to Iron Man, and as I watched that first movie,
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: I was like, he's just kind of the Marvel Batman.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: He built himself into a superhero. He's a guy, he
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: has no superpowers, he just has a lot of money,
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: and he turned himself into a superhero. That's an interesting aspect,
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: because it makes him a real character. where I don't
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: feel that with Thor. I can watch Thor, and I'm like,
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: he's a demigod from another planet. Why do I care?
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  Speaker 9: Funny enough, I still have this weird love with the
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 9: Thor movies, which, by the way, the Thor movie was
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 9: being made in... new mexico and i was living in
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 9: santa fe and like you know that the crew and
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 9: everything was hanging out around the town because they built
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 9: that entire set that town does not exist in new
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 9: mexico i'm sorry the small well-kept up little town in
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 9: new mexico populated by 90 white people does not exist.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 8: Uh, in New Mexico.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 9: Um, it, uh, with, with selling scars guard, just hanging
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 9: out and no one's like, Oh, that's weird.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 8: Uh, and a Starbucks across the street. Hell no. But, uh, but, uh, yeah, no, actually, yeah,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 8: it's funny.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 9: My friends in a, also in, in a scene, I,
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 9: I basically, when, uh, when selling scars guard takes that,
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 9: it takes a Thor out to get a drink in
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 9: that film.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 8: That's actually a, uh, uh, a.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 9: Titty bar in Santa Fe, like the titty bar in
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 9: Santa Fe called cheeks. Um, A friend of mine is
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 9: in that scene like she's like dimly glimpsed in the
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 9: background or whatever. And yeah, anyway, it's like it's like
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 9: when I see that, I'm like, oh, wow. So he
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 9: took Thor to Cheeks to the strip club. Oh, man,
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 9: that's kind of gross. You don't want to lean on
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 9: that bar, dude.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: That's the thing. I didn't hate Thor. It was it
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: was like the last one I got to, though, in
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: that run, because I was just not all that impressed
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: with it. I think, you know, he gives a good
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: performance and the story is more interesting than I expected,
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: but I think there's still that disconnect. I think because
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: he's this super-powered character that I'm just kind of like,
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: you know, it distances him where Tony Stark's a guy and, like, he's...
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: It's funny that they cast Robert Downey Jr. and didn't
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: really go into this because then as you read the
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: Marvel storyline, he's dealing with alcoholism and he's dealing, you know,
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: it's like he deals with, like, real-world problems and, like...
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: It's funny that, yeah, they cast Robert Downey Jr. and
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: didn't really go into that because I expect I was like,
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: if anybody can bring some depth to that, I think
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: Robert Downey Jr. is the guy. So if they continue
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: making these with him, it'll be interesting if they go
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: down that road. But yeah, I think that's why I'm
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: a little more attached to Tony Stark and Robert Downey Jr.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: is because he still plays it. human being in these
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: unreal situations.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 9: But at the same time I can see why that's
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 9: why they cast or sorry why they grabbed Branagh to
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 9: do the original Thor movie was because you know they
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 9: were like okay if anyone can make a convincing film
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 9: about like a bunch of gods like spouting you know
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 9: epic dialogue at each other like it's no big deal
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 9: and then segue straight into a real world situation from
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 9: that Probably Branagh.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: It's that weird Branagh character.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 9: Yeah, and I only wish that they had had a
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 9: slightly better script for Thor, even though I found it
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 9: enormously entertaining. I felt like there was a lot more
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 9: to be wrung from that scenario. But yeah, because that
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 9: movie is weird in so many ways. But I will
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 9: say this, though, is that I wasn't actually all that
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 9: excited for Iron Man 3. I wanted to see it.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 9: I was going to see it. But no, I was
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 9: much more excited. I'm much more excited about Thor 2
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 9: and Winter Soldier. Winter Soldier I'm really excited about.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: Again, it'll be interesting just from this franchise to see
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: where they go with everybody.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 8: Okay, let's wrap it up so she can eat.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's freezing. She's been antsy anyway, but now she's
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: throwing a tantrum.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 7: Well, I was just thinking if you guys are going
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 7: to talk Iron Man, maybe I could go get some
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 7: food and then come back later.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 8: Like 15 minutes into our Iron Man conversation.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 7: Only half an hour in.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: We talked about the notebook for a long time.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 8: Yeah, right.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 7: But derisively.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 8: That didn't make you sick or need to eat.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: You just like trashing movies more than enjoying them.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 8: I see where you're going. Lucy's just a negative personality.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 7: Yeah, especially when I'm hungry.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: So I think we're going to, again, this place is
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: overrun with food trucks. So I think we're going to
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: go see what there is to eat. So we'll leave
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: it at that. We actually will be back. Uh, this
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: is another one. This is sort of getting us out
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: into the world because when we come back next week,
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: we will be at Wonderfest and, uh, we're, we're planning some,
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: some cool tie-ins and, um, we're supposed to be bringing
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: in some guests, some new special guests, a returning special
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: guest that I, I'm interested to see, uh, what he
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: thinks about coming back on the show. And we'll be
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: unveiling lots of new stuff. We've got the new T-shirt
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: that we will be doing our official unveil next week,
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: and a new poster, too, both of which are done
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: by some pretty impressive people. So all of that and
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: more coming next week. Anything else to add on this one?
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: Go get some food? All right. Otherwise, that about does it.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: We will return next week. Same geek time, same geek feed.
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  Speaker 8: Thanks for listening.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want anything from the flea market.
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  Speaker 11: I don't want.
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  Speaker 7: Anything from the flea market. I don't want anything from
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 7: the play market.
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  Speaker 11: Thank you.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 8: Wow, that's a big truck. Yes, sir, we are impressed.
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  Speaker 8: Talk hard!