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Murder In Moscow: Bryan Kohberger And the Youth Police Program He Was Removed From (8/15/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the program. The
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Speaker 1: sparring between prosecutors and Brian Kohberger's legal team continued in
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Speaker 1: the courtroom last week as they argued several different issues
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Speaker 1: in front of Judge John Judge Well. At this hearing,
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Speaker 1: one of Kaylee Gonsalva's family members was rocking a T
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Speaker 1: shirt that showed their support for death by firing squad.
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Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what I'm all for it good
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Speaker 1: for them. They have a right to express themselves, don't they.
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Speaker 1: And I don't want to hear anything about, oh, the
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Speaker 1: jury pool might get tainted. Meanwhile, we have mister Tierney
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Speaker 1: and mister Harrison in New York calling Rex you were
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Speaker 1: mental monster, calling them an ogre, and everything else you
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Speaker 1: can imagine. And I don't hear anyone talking about how
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Speaker 1: the jury pool's going to be tainted. But if you
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Speaker 1: flip the script over to Idaho, that's all we've heard
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Speaker 1: for months now that the gun Solve family and their abrasiveness,
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Speaker 1: if you will, is going to throw a wrench in things.
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Speaker 1: It's going to make the jury pool tainted because mister
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Speaker 1: Gonsolvi is outspoken. Give me a break, Like I've said
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Speaker 1: from the very beginning, all these family members should be
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Speaker 1: given the space to grieve how they want to grieve.
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Speaker 1: And it's easy for people who are on the outside
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Speaker 1: looking in to have all kinds of opinions about how
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Speaker 1: family members, in particular the Gonsolves family should be acting.
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Speaker 1: And in my opinion, they've earned the right to act
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Speaker 1: however the hell they want. It was their daughter who
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Speaker 1: was murdered. Their loved one is gone. And if you
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Speaker 1: look at the evidence here, you mean to tell me
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Speaker 1: that if it was your daughter who was murdered, you
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Speaker 1: wouldn't look at what they have compiled as far as
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Speaker 1: the prosecution and say to yourself, oh, yeah, this is
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Speaker 1: the dude who killed my kid. And then with all
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Speaker 1: of that in mind, you have the audacity to tell
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Speaker 1: mister Gone not to be as outspoken as he is. Meanwhile,
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Speaker 1: all those same people who are talking about how mister
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Speaker 1: Gonsalves is too outspoken or how he is going to
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Speaker 1: jeopardize the case, they were all sitting on the internet
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Speaker 1: accusing people of being the murderer without any evidence. In fact,
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Speaker 1: there was some pundit, something Gilliam I forget his first name,
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Speaker 1: some guy that was making the rounds when all of
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Speaker 1: this was happening, and this guy was talking about how
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Speaker 1: Steve Gonsalves should be looked at as a suspect. Imagine
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Speaker 1: having the audacity to go on a major news program
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Speaker 1: and talk about a grieving father in such a manner. Oh, yeah,
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Speaker 1: he should be looked at. He's a suspect. Really great job, mister,
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Speaker 1: former FBI agent. No. Wonder nine to eleven happened, all right? Today,
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Speaker 1: we have two articles we are going to discuss. The
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Speaker 1: first one is from The Independent and the headline relative
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Speaker 1: of Idaho killing victim wears t shirt with pro firing
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Speaker 1: squad message at the suspects hearing. This article was authored
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Speaker 1: by Andrea Blanco, a family member of Idaho murder victim
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Speaker 1: Kelly Gonsalves reportedly wore a shirt with a pro firing
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Speaker 1: squad message at our suspected killer's hearing. Brian Coeberger, twenty eight,
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Speaker 1: returned to the Leta County Courthouse on Friday for a
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Speaker 1: pre trial hearing. Mister Coberger, a former criminology PhD student
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Speaker 1: at Washington State University, is accused of the November thirteenth
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Speaker 1: slaying of University of Idaho students Gonsalves, Madison Mogan, Xana Kernodle,
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Speaker 1: and Ethan Chapin. Mister Coberger's attorneys requested additional DNA from prosecutors,
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Speaker 1: who said they cannot produce material that had not yet
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Speaker 1: been provided to them by the crime Lab. Judge John
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Speaker 1: Judge also denied the defense's motion alleging that prosecutors have
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Speaker 1: violated mister Coburger's rights by convening a thirty two people
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Speaker 1: grand jury instead of forty five. According to News Nation,
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Speaker 1: the game of loopholes and technicalities and that's going to
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Speaker 1: continue to be the ongoing team for Brian Colberger and
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Speaker 1: his team moving forward, because it's all they have. When
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Speaker 1: you don't have the evidence on your side, you have
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Speaker 1: to hope for some kind of hell Mary. You have
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Speaker 1: to hope that the chain of custody was screwed up,
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Speaker 1: that they stepped on your civil rights somehow, and then
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Speaker 1: from there you have to hope that the judge rules
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Speaker 1: in your favor and throws the case out, declares the
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Speaker 1: mistrial whatever it is. But I don't see that happening here.
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Speaker 1: I think that the prosecution in Idaho has been on
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Speaker 1: point after a rocky start, and what I mean by
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Speaker 1: that is, when the investigation was first getting underway, they
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Speaker 1: had some issues as far as communication, and we discussed
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Speaker 1: that in real time as it was happening. But as
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Speaker 1: far as the investigation part goes, they seem to have
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Speaker 1: done a very good job here in Idaho, and I
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Speaker 1: don't see that changing as we get deeper into the
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Speaker 1: trial phase. In fact, I think that their case is
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Speaker 1: getting stronger by the day. The judge ruled that there
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Speaker 1: weren't any substantial failures in the grand jury indictment, allowing
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Speaker 1: the trial to move forward with its October second start date.
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Speaker 1: During the proceedings, a Gonsalves family member was reportedly seen
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Speaker 1: wearing a shirt that supported death by firing squad if
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Speaker 1: Brian Kohberger were to be convicted. Idaho's Statesman reporter Kevin
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Speaker 1: Fixler revealed on x formally known as Twitter. Speaking of Twitter,
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Speaker 1: I haven't had access to my Twitter account since like
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Speaker 1: July first. You know why, because I told Elon Musk's
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Speaker 1: bitch ass that I hope he gets choked out by
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Speaker 1: Mark Zuckerberg if they have an MMA fight. And due
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Speaker 1: to that benign comment, mister free speech, Elon Musk, friend
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Speaker 1: of Jeffrey Epstein, by the way, thought it would be
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Speaker 1: a good idea to lock my account. But guess what,
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Speaker 1: Unlike most people, I don't give a shit. I don't
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Speaker 1: care about social media. I'm not on social media all day.
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Speaker 1: I'm not here to make friends. I'm not here for
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Speaker 1: people to give me likes. I don't care about any
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Speaker 1: of it. And while that's not the greatest business model
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Speaker 1: for somebody who's a content creator, I have no desire
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Speaker 1: to dance to anybody else's tune. I'm gonna do what
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Speaker 1: I want to do when I want to do it.
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Speaker 1: And furthermore, all Twitter is is the loudest amongst us
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Speaker 1: yelling at each other. Nothing gets accomplished. Everybody retreats to
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Speaker 1: their bunker. There's no nuance conversation to be had. So
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Speaker 1: it's not like I'm missing out by not having access
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Speaker 1: to that account. But if you've been looking to contact
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Speaker 1: me on there and I haven't responded, well that's why
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Speaker 1: send me an email. All right, So we're gonna wrap
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Speaker 1: up with the Independent article right there. There's a little
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Speaker 1: more to it, but it's just a recap of stuff
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Speaker 1: we've talked about already, all right, So onto the next
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Speaker 1: article from Newsweek headline Brian Coberger investigated as a teenager.
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Speaker 1: School administrator reveals, well, that's a big shock. We've heard
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Speaker 1: from just about everybody that's ever had any association with
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Speaker 1: Brian Coberger that he was creepy, that he was weird.
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Speaker 1: So is it a shock to anybody out there to
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Speaker 1: find out that as a teenager this dude was investigated.
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Speaker 1: This article was authored by Thomas Kika, a former high
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Speaker 1: school administrator, revealed an investigation carried out years ago into
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Speaker 1: Brian Colberger when he was a student, which ultimately doomed
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Speaker 1: his enrollment in a law enforcement training program. Coburger, a
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Speaker 1: Pennsylvania native who had been doing doctoral studies at Washington
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Speaker 1: State University, was arrested at his parents' home in late
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Speaker 1: December and charged with the killings of four Idaho college students.
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Speaker 1: The students, Kaylee Gonsalvez, Madison Mogan, Ethan Chapin, and Xana Kernodle,
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Speaker 1: were all found stabbed to death on the morning of
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Speaker 1: November thirteenth at a shared residence near their school, the
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Speaker 1: University of Idaho in Moscow, Idaho. The home was only
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Speaker 1: eight miles away from Coburger's campus, but Remember, it couldn't
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Speaker 1: be Brian Cohberger who's guilty of these crimes, because according
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Speaker 1: to him, he was out having a ride listening to
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Speaker 1: Tony Robbins. Okay, I added the Tony Robbins part. But
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Speaker 1: according to him, he was out having a late night drive,
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Speaker 1: So it's certainly not him. An extensive FBI investigation, utilizing
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Speaker 1: vehicle records and DNA evidence, ultimately led to Coburger becoming
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Speaker 1: the prime suspect in the killings. In May, a grand
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Speaker 1: jury indicted him on four counts of first degree murder
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Speaker 1: and one count of felony burglary. The judge overseeing arraignment
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Speaker 1: entered a not guilty plea on his behalf as Coburger
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Speaker 1: refused to speak at the hearing, and his trial is
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Speaker 1: said to begin in October, with the prosecutors aiming for
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Speaker 1: the death penalty. So Brian Colberger stood silent so that
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Speaker 1: he could challenge this grand jury indictment. That's what we
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Speaker 1: get from his lawyers and the legal experts who are
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Speaker 1: hip to what's going on up here in Idaho. But
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Speaker 1: a lot of the behavior that we see from Brian
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Speaker 1: Coberger is not the behavior you would expect from an
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Speaker 1: innocent person. In my opinion, if I was innocent of
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Speaker 1: something like this, I'd be screaming it from the rooftops,
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Speaker 1: and not only that, I'd be begging the judge to
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Speaker 1: get rid of the gag order. If I was truly innocent,
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Speaker 1: I'd want everybody to know. I'd be granting interviews all
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Speaker 1: of it. I know that goes against the usual playbook here,
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Speaker 1: but if you're staring at a capital offense, you have
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Speaker 1: to do whatever you have to do to try and
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Speaker 1: get off right. And I don't know if showing up
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Speaker 1: to the party with nothing in your arms is a
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Speaker 1: good idea. It didn't work out so well for Lori Valo,
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Speaker 1: and I don't think it's going to work out so
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Speaker 1: well for Brian Coberger. So they better have something cooking
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Speaker 1: behind the scenes. Tanya Carmela Beers previously served as an
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Speaker 1: administrator at a vocational high school that Coburger attended, with
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Speaker 1: her duties including mental health services and student discipline. Coberger
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Speaker 1: attended the vocational program of the Pleasant Valley School District
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Speaker 1: in eastern Pennsylvania during his sophomore and junior years of
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Speaker 1: high school. Speaking with Idaho Massacre Podcast, she described an
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Speaker 1: incident in which several female students lodge complaints against him,
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Speaker 1: ultimately leading to his removal from the school's vocational law
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Speaker 1: enforcement program. So this has been something that's happened with
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Speaker 1: Coburger over and over and over again, not only in
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Speaker 1: high school but in college. What about all the stories
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Speaker 1: we heard in the aftermath of the murders about Brian
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Speaker 1: Colberger and the bullshit he was up to, following somebody
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Speaker 1: to their car, acting like a misogynist in class, and
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Speaker 1: just being a general all around weirdo. Now, of course
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Speaker 1: that doesn't make you a murderer. And people out there
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Speaker 1: that look at somebody and say, oh, this guy's a killer,
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Speaker 1: that's crazy. But when you add up everything we know
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Speaker 1: about Brian Colberger, it's very difficult for me anyway to
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Speaker 1: sit here and tell you, oh, yeah, this dude looks
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Speaker 1: innocent to me, he's getting railroaded. This is a hatchet job,
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Speaker 1: because I don't think it's any of that. And for
11:40
Speaker 1: those of you who might have just found the podcast
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Speaker 1: and might not know me very well, I'm one of
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Speaker 1: the harshest critics you're going to find about the Bureau
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Speaker 1: of Prisons and about the justice system overall. In the
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Speaker 1: United States of America. So I'm not somebody that just
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Speaker 1: defaults and says right away, oh, the prosecution's right. I
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Speaker 1: need to see some evidence, and the evidence that we've
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Speaker 1: seen here, at least in my opinion, is relatively clear
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Speaker 1: that Brian Kohlberger is the prime suspect and more than
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Speaker 1: likely guilty for what happened. A situation occurred where a
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Speaker 1: complaint was made and the teacher reported it to me
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Speaker 1: and said an investigation needed to be conducted. Carmela Birez explained,
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Speaker 1: other students were interviewed, Brian was interviewed, and you know,
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Speaker 1: there comes a time when decisions have to be made,
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Speaker 1: whether it's the decision the student wants or not. She continued.
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Speaker 1: He was removed from the law enforcement program and transitioned
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Speaker 1: into HVAC program, and then at the end of that
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Speaker 1: eleventh grade year is when he decided not to return
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Speaker 1: as a senior. Carmela Bierres would not elaborate on what
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Speaker 1: Coleburger had been accused of, but did note what had
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Speaker 1: him removed from the program. When I look back on
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Speaker 1: it now make sense, and there's always a lot of hindsight, right,
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Speaker 1: And that's not saying that anybody could have stopped what happened.
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Speaker 1: But there's always a lot of hindsight after something like
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Speaker 1: this happens, people saying to themselves, oh shit, yeah, this
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Speaker 1: guy totally fits with what I would think a killer
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Speaker 1: would be. And you've seen it from a lot of
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Speaker 1: people who have associated with Coburger throughout the years. And
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Speaker 1: just to be clear, that doesn't make him guilty either.
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Speaker 1: You know what's going to make him guilty him sitting
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Speaker 1: in front of those jurors, those jurors hearing the nonsense
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Speaker 1: that he's pitching. That's gonna make him guilty. Coburger ended
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Speaker 1: up completing high school education with online classes, later pursuing
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Speaker 1: an undergraduate degree in psychology and a master's in criminology.
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Speaker 1: Newsweek reached out to the Pleasant Valley School District via
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Speaker 1: email for comment, and all of that that we just
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Speaker 1: heard from a Miss Carmela bears tracks with everything else
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Speaker 1: we've heard from so many other people throughout the history
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Speaker 1: of this. And look for me, if it walks like
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Speaker 1: a duck and it talks like a duck, it's a duck,
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Speaker 1: all right, folks. That's gonna do it for this one.
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Speaker 1: All of the information that goes with This episode can
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Speaker 1: be found in the description box What's Up everyone, and
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Speaker 1: welcome back to the program. Ever since Brian Koberger's arrest,
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Speaker 1: we have heard from multiple people about his adberant and
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Speaker 1: aggressive behavior towards women, and we have seen multiple examples
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Speaker 1: of this presented to us as this investigation has unfolded.
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Speaker 1: Whether it's somebody that knew them when they were in
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Speaker 1: junior high school, or whether it's somebody that went out
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Speaker 1: with them allegedly on a tender date and had to
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Speaker 1: make pretend they were thrown up so that he would leave.
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Speaker 1: And then we've heard from the people who work at
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Speaker 1: the brewery by his house about how they had him
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Speaker 1: in the database as a problem customer and somebody who
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Speaker 1: harassed the women, and it goes on on and on
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Speaker 1: and on and on. Now, with all of that said,
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Speaker 1: does that make Brian Koberger guilty of these murders. It
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Speaker 1: does not. But what it does do is continue to
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Speaker 1: add puzzle pieces to that profile of who Brian Koberger is,
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Speaker 1: because that is all relevant his behavior towards women. You
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Speaker 1: don't think that's relevant when we end up with three
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Speaker 1: women murdered to death in their home yeah, I think
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Speaker 1: it's pretty relevant as far as how he treated women
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Speaker 1: in his past. Then you hear about his own sister
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Speaker 1: being suspicious of him, and the fact that he also
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Speaker 1: stole from his sister when he was younger to feed
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Speaker 1: his drug habit. And then if you want to talk
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Speaker 1: about more recent examples, how about the women that he
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Speaker 1: made feel uncomfortable in those classes? How about the students
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Speaker 1: who he was teaing for. You know what we call
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Speaker 1: it when something happens over and over and over again
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Speaker 1: throughout your life. That's a pattern. And it would seem
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Speaker 1: that if all of these stories are real, and that
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Speaker 1: if all of these people are telling the truth, and
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Speaker 1: I have no reason to out any of them, to
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Speaker 1: be honest with you, then that means this is a
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Speaker 1: pattern of behavior that Brian Kohberger has exhibited his whole
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Speaker 1: entire life. And again, that does not make him a murderer. However,
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Speaker 1: it does lend some credence to all of the talk
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Speaker 1: about Brian Koberger being a misogynist or a Brian Colberger
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Speaker 1: being an insel. Now, I'm not going to tell you
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Speaker 1: one way or the other that he's either of those things.
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Speaker 1: I don't know I'm not a psychologist. I'm not trained
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Speaker 1: or capable or qualified to make those sorts of judgments.
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Speaker 1: But what I do know is that you shouldn't have
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Speaker 1: these kinds of issues with women your whole entire life.
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Speaker 1: And if everybody else always seems to be the issue,
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Speaker 1: chances are you need to do some self evaluation and
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Speaker 1: understand that in all of those situations, the common denominator
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Speaker 1: is you, and that would seem to be the case
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Speaker 1: for Brian Coberger. In all of these situations, the common
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Speaker 1: denominator is Brian Coberger and disass allegedly being creepy. Today's
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Speaker 1: article is from Newsweek and the headline Brian Coberger was
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Speaker 1: moved away from female students. Administrator reveals. This article was
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Speaker 1: authored by Matthew im Pelly. Imagine being such a creepy
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Speaker 1: bastard that your teacher has to move you away from
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Speaker 1: your classmates. What sort of weird ass nonsensor you up
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Speaker 1: to in that classroom that would necessitate such a move.
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Speaker 1: Brian Coberger was moved away from female students while attending
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Speaker 1: a career institute in Pennsylvania, according to a former school administrator.
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Speaker 1: Fox Nation on Sunday released an exclusive special titled Brian
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Speaker 1: Coberger I Am Blank, in which Nancy Grace spoke to
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Speaker 1: many people who had experiences with the Idaho murder suspect,
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Speaker 1: including Tanya Carmela Beers, who served as Coburger's former administrator
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Speaker 1: at the Monroe Career and Technical Institute. Carmela Beers explained
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Speaker 1: that Coberger was initially in the protective services program at
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Speaker 1: the institute, where he sought to prepare for a career
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Speaker 1: in law enforcement. However, she said that after two incidents,
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Speaker 1: he was moved into another program where there were no
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Speaker 1: female students. What is he a priest, here's an idea,
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Speaker 1: throw them out of the program. Why are you just
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Speaker 1: moving them? And what was the issue? I guess that's
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Speaker 1: really what it comes down to. What was the issue?
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Speaker 1: Was he touching somebody? Was he just making them uncomfortable
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Speaker 1: with commentary? Was he following them home? Was he stalking them?
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Speaker 1: I'm sure that the investigators who are looking into the
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Speaker 1: murders have asked all of those questions and have talked
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Speaker 1: to all of these people who have had a part
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Speaker 1: in Brian Khberger's life or who might be able to
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Speaker 1: fill in some blanks along the way. And just like
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Speaker 1: any puzzle. You have to start with those corner pieces
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Speaker 1: and work your way towards the middle. She was unable
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Speaker 1: to provide details about the incidents, but told Fox Nation
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Speaker 1: that they were related to female students in the program
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Speaker 1: with Coburger, And there's obviously all kinds of like privacy
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Speaker 1: laws that she has to respect as an administrator for
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Speaker 1: that school district or former administrator. But whatever occurred was
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Speaker 1: substantial enough that they decided to move Coburger out of
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Speaker 1: this classroom, out of this program, and move them with
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Speaker 1: just other boys. And that seems to me to be
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Speaker 1: a pretty dramatic move, Like I could understand maybe getting suspended,
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Speaker 1: but being pulled out of a class or a program
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Speaker 1: because you can't get along with the other gender, Like
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Speaker 1: you learn that shit in kindergarten, right, don't hit people,
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Speaker 1: get along with everybody, treat everybody equally. But Brian Coohberger
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Speaker 1: out here in society, at least according to all these
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Speaker 1: people recounting their experiences with them, couldn't even do that.
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Speaker 1: Couldn't even have a basic, you know, schoolike classmate relationship
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Speaker 1: without being a creepym effort. There had been one or
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Speaker 1: two incidents that had a heard Carmela Bires told Fox
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Speaker 1: Nation some of the issues that arose were based on
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Speaker 1: having a mixed population in that classroom. One of those
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Speaker 1: incidents ultimately resulted in him being removed from that program,
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Speaker 1: and he's lucky he wasn't removed from consciousness by whoever
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Speaker 1: this girl's father is. Imagine your daughter comes home and
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Speaker 1: tells you, hey, dad, I was in my so and
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Speaker 1: so class and this creepy son of a bitch did
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Speaker 1: whatever to me if she told me that at eight,
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Speaker 1: I'd be at the school at nine causing all kinds
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Speaker 1: of ruckus and demanding answers. But instead of smacking this
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Speaker 1: dude down and giving him some discipline, they decided they
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Speaker 1: just relocate him with other guys instead, Like that's going
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Speaker 1: to fix the problem or address the issue. The issue
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Speaker 1: is that he did, whatever he did, that has to
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Speaker 1: be addressed. Just moving him is counterproductive and stupid, and
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Speaker 1: depending on what he did, don't you think that he
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Speaker 1: should just be thrown out of the program completely. Why
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Speaker 1: are you moving him around? Why are you juggling him around?
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Speaker 1: It's not his right to be in that program. Being
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Speaker 1: in that program as a privilege, a privilege that should
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Speaker 1: have been revoked. December of twenty twenty two, Coburger twenty eight,
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Speaker 1: was arrested in charge with four counts of first degree
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Speaker 1: murder one count of felony burglary following the fatal stabbings
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Speaker 1: of Kailee Gonsalves twenty one, Madison Mogan twenty one, Ethan
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Speaker 1: Chapin twenty and Xana Kernodle twenty All four victims were
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Speaker 1: students at the University of Idaho and staying in an
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Speaker 1: off campus residence at the time of the killings. Coburger,
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Speaker 1: for his part, has maintained his innocence and stood silently
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Speaker 1: during his arraignment. The judge overseeing the case entered a
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Speaker 1: not guilty plea for Coburger on each of the charges.
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Speaker 1: Since his arrest, only a few details about his life
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Speaker 1: have been released, such as his behavior toward women, as
21:53
Speaker 1: some have claimed that he exhibited inceel involuntary celibate tendencies,
21:59
Speaker 1: and speaking in general terms, there's no doubt that Brian
22:02
Speaker 1: Coberger checks off all the categories of somebody that would
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Speaker 1: be considered an incel. There is zero doubt about it.
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Speaker 1: But I'm not gonna sit here and tell you that's
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Speaker 1: what he is. I don't know. Like I said earlier,
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Speaker 1: I'm not a trained psychologist. What I will tell you
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Speaker 1: is this, the profile that's built of Brian Kohberger, what
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Speaker 1: we know of Brian Koeberger's behavior towards women is not
22:26
Speaker 1: looking good for mister Coburger. You know, if it's one
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Speaker 1: person saying, hey, look he was kind of weird, you
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Speaker 1: could brush that to the side and say, hey, maybe
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Speaker 1: those people aren't compatible. But when you have all these
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Speaker 1: people coming out and giving you basically the same story,
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Speaker 1: why wouldn't you believe them. One of Coberger's former friends,
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Speaker 1: Jack Bayliss, also spoke the Fox Nation about the case
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Speaker 1: and the arrest, saying that Coburger was often frustrated with women.
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Speaker 1: Bayliss also said that Coburger expressed issues to him about
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Speaker 1: his dating life and how he be ghosted a lot
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Speaker 1: by females. And just like everything else in the investigation
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Speaker 1: and the Brian Coburger, you can't look at things piecemeal.
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Speaker 1: You have to look at everything in the totality, look
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Speaker 1: at the evidence in the totality, look at all of
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Speaker 1: the accusations against him by people that knew him in
23:19
Speaker 1: the totality. And when you start doing that it becomes
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Speaker 1: very difficult to arrive at any other destination than a
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Speaker 1: place where the evidence is mounting against Brian Coberger. And
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Speaker 1: I'm being kind when I say that. Jennifer Kofendaffer, a
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Speaker 1: former FBI agent, told Newsweek in January that she believed
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Speaker 1: Coburger's deepest motivation for the alleged crimes would be this
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Speaker 1: in cell theory. Kofendaffer is not directly involved in the case. Well,
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Speaker 1: I don't know about that, but I definitely think that
23:52
Speaker 1: this all stemmed from him having some sort of obsession
23:55
Speaker 1: with Maddie, and from there it snowballed into him deciding
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill Maddie. But when he showed up there,
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Speaker 1: he didn't expect Kaylee to be in that bed, so
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Speaker 1: that tossed all of his plans out the window. And
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Speaker 1: it's my opinion that that led to Xana and Ethan
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Speaker 1: being murdered as well, because at this point, I'm pretty
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Speaker 1: much convinced that Madison was the target, and I think
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Speaker 1: his plan was to get in there, kill Madison, and
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Speaker 1: get out without anyone being the wiser. So in my mind,
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Speaker 1: that's the most likely scenario, and I think that he
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Speaker 1: ran across Maddie at the Mad Greek while she was working.
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Speaker 1: And there's no doubt that this in cell stuff could
24:33
Speaker 1: have definitely played a part in terms of his rejection
24:37
Speaker 1: by women and his aggression toward women that continued to
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Speaker 1: build over just being rejected and not being accepted by
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Speaker 1: women throughout his journey in life. She told Newsweek, I
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Speaker 1: just don't get it. It is not that difficult to
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Speaker 1: find a date. Wake up in the morning, take a shower,
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Speaker 1: put on deodorant, brush your teeth, go to the gym
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Speaker 1: every now and then, don't be creepy von Creepenstein, and maybe,
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Speaker 1: just maybe you'll get a date. Newsweek reached out to
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Speaker 1: Coburger's lawyer and Taylor via email for comment. All Right, now,
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Speaker 1: as you can see, folks, the profile keeps being built,
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Speaker 1: and the vast majority of these incidents and the people
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Speaker 1: that are recounting them have one thing in common when
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Speaker 1: they're talking about Brian Coberger, and that's that they all
25:22
Speaker 1: believe that he is one creepy s ob All right, folks,
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25:48
Speaker 1: and welcome back to the program. We've learned a whole
25:53
Speaker 1: lot about Brian Kohlberger ever since his arrest, and we
25:57
Speaker 1: have heard a lot of things that certainly our from
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Speaker 1: the fact that he had all kinds of crazy posts
26:04
Speaker 1: on the internet talking about how he doesn't have any feelings,
26:08
Speaker 1: how he's just a meatbag, you know, all of that
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Speaker 1: crazy stuff, and then we hear from some of the
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Speaker 1: girls that he associated with and that's all bad too. Well,
26:18
Speaker 1: now we're hearing a story about Brian Coohberger as a
26:21
Speaker 1: youth and a job that he had working at a
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Speaker 1: company called the Big Brown Fish. And Brian Colberger's job
26:28
Speaker 1: there as a youth was to you know, clean the
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Speaker 1: place up, help the people who were paying to go
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Speaker 1: fishing or whatever with their gear, and then eventually help
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Speaker 1: them start flaying the fish. Well, according to Brian Colberger's
26:43
Speaker 1: former boss, he was never any good at it and
26:46
Speaker 1: he didn't pick up on it at all. So my
26:49
Speaker 1: guess is that his lawyer is going to try and
26:52
Speaker 1: use this and say, look, he couldn't even flay a fish,
26:55
Speaker 1: and now you want this jury to believe that he
26:58
Speaker 1: killed four human beings. I know that might sound crazy,
27:01
Speaker 1: but these lawyers, they'll do anything. Just take a look
27:04
Speaker 1: at Alec Murda and what happened in that trial and
27:07
Speaker 1: the fact that those bozos thought it would be a
27:09
Speaker 1: good idea to put them on the stand. So, you know,
27:13
Speaker 1: these lawyers, especially when their clients don't give them much
27:16
Speaker 1: to work with, like you know, you have a guilty client,
27:20
Speaker 1: they got to come up with some creative ways to
27:22
Speaker 1: try and sow some seeds of doubt in the jurors minds.
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Speaker 1: So my guess is Ann Taylor will take a look
27:28
Speaker 1: at this and see if she can harness it into
27:31
Speaker 1: some kind of defense mechanism for Brian Coberger. So let's
27:35
Speaker 1: dive into this article from Fox News and let's see
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Speaker 1: what Michael Ruiz has for US Idaho murders. Brian Koberger's
27:44
Speaker 1: former fish cleaning boss says suspect couldn't learn fullaying. The
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Speaker 1: Pennsylvania business owner who briefly employed Idaho murder suspect Brian
27:55
Speaker 1: Coberger more than a decade ago says, the teen who
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Speaker 1: would go on to be accused in a quadruple stabbing
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Speaker 1: while studying for a PhD didn't last long. Charles Conklin,
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Speaker 1: who founded The Big Brown Fish in pay Lakes in Effort,
28:10
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania thirty five years ago, said Coburger short stint ended
28:15
Speaker 1: well before he had any significant training with a fileting knife,
28:20
Speaker 1: so obviously he didn't get his knife skills working down
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Speaker 1: here as a fishmonger. Old boy couldn't cut. It wasn't
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Speaker 1: good at the job. And let's remember he was a youth.
28:30
Speaker 1: How many of you were bad at your job when
28:32
Speaker 1: you were sixteen. I know that I had a job
28:34
Speaker 1: when I was sixteen, and my friend showed up to
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Speaker 1: this job, and well, your dumbass boy over here decides
28:40
Speaker 1: it's a good idea to quit because his boys are
28:43
Speaker 1: all going to a job. So I hopped over the
28:45
Speaker 1: counter and I went to the party with my friends.
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Speaker 1: So I'm certainly not immune to being a moron. When
28:51
Speaker 1: I was young. In fact, just about everything I did
28:55
Speaker 1: was painted with moronity. So I certainly understand a young
28:58
Speaker 1: kid not being good at his job for us to
29:02
Speaker 1: be painted in some kind of light. Along with this
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Speaker 1: terrible tragedy is very disturbing, he told Fox News Digital
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Speaker 1: on Thursday. The truth of the matter is he's here
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Speaker 1: a very short time twelve years ago, a young kid.
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Speaker 1: We did our best to mentor him and mutually decided
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Speaker 1: the job wasn't for him. So he must have been
29:22
Speaker 1: pretty odd, right. We know that from all of the
29:24
Speaker 1: people we've heard from, and unfortunately, being odd really doesn't
29:29
Speaker 1: translate into the workplace. If you're working with the public,
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Speaker 1: and you're working with people who are fishing, and one
29:36
Speaker 1: of your job duties is to work with the public
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Speaker 1: to cut their fish or make sure that their gear
29:42
Speaker 1: isn't tangled up whatever it is, and you're not, let's
29:45
Speaker 1: say a personable person like Brian Coolberger wasn't, well, that's
29:49
Speaker 1: going to be a very difficult job for you. Never
29:51
Speaker 1: mind the flaying part, but just dealing with the other
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Speaker 1: human beings and dealing with all of the different situations
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Speaker 1: that are going to arise from those interactions. Conklin said
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Speaker 1: he started his fish hatchery fifty years ago when he
30:06
Speaker 1: was just ten years old. The Fish and Pay opened
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Speaker 1: thirty five years ago. He distanced himself from Coburger and
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Speaker 1: the allegations against him, and noted that hundreds of young
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Speaker 1: people have taken their first jobs at his business and
30:20
Speaker 1: gone on to greater things. Are there people actually out
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Speaker 1: there that are talking trash about this dude's business or
30:27
Speaker 1: something because Brian Coberger worked there breaking news? I highly
30:30
Speaker 1: doubt Brian Coberger learned how to wheeld a knife working
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Speaker 1: as a fishmonger at the local lake. Dudes had years
30:38
Speaker 1: and years and years to learn how to use a knife,
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Speaker 1: and obviously he learned how to use it well enough
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Speaker 1: to kill four people, or so the government tells us.
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Speaker 1: We've had hundreds of kids come through here and mentored them,
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Speaker 1: and they've gone on to do wonderful things, he said,
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Speaker 1: Pharmacists and teachers, and have their own electrical companies and
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Speaker 1: almost everything you can imagine. We're so proud of all
31:01
Speaker 1: of those kids. In Coburger's short stint, he had just
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Speaker 1: a few hours training with a fleaying knife, a thinner
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Speaker 1: and more flexible tool than the large, fixed blade knife
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Speaker 1: police say was used in the murders, and lasted less
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Speaker 1: than three weeks on the job altogether. Conklin said, I
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Speaker 1: think it's safe to say that Brian Kohberger certainly didn't
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Speaker 1: learn anything at this job, never mind knife skills. If
31:27
Speaker 1: you only work some place for three weeks and then
31:29
Speaker 1: you get let go, my guess is you didn't learn anything,
31:33
Speaker 1: and you certainly didn't learn any knife skills. He never
31:37
Speaker 1: got profision at it, he added, which isn't abnormal for
31:41
Speaker 1: a young kid, probably his first job. He was fifteen
31:44
Speaker 1: or sixteen years old. When kids come in here, their
31:48
Speaker 1: jobs already keep the place clean, pick up paper all
31:51
Speaker 1: day long, help customers catch fish, fix poles, and then
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Speaker 1: we try to train them how to flay fish, he said.
31:58
Speaker 1: And if they get good at it, they can filay
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Speaker 1: customers fish. Coburger wasn't around long enough to get to
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Speaker 1: that point, so he never even got to the point
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Speaker 1: where he would even learn any kind of skills, if
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Speaker 1: you will, as far as fulaying fish or being proficient
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Speaker 1: with a filet knife. And the filet knife is a
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Speaker 1: lot different than the weapon that the government says was
32:21
Speaker 1: used in these murders. Remember they say it was a
32:23
Speaker 1: k bar knife, a fixed blade knife, much bigger, sturdier,
32:28
Speaker 1: and obviously meant for killing. Week after that twentieth day
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Speaker 1: he worked here, his direct supervisors sat and talked with
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Speaker 1: him and mutually they decided this job wasn't for him.
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Speaker 1: He said, that's all there was to it. He really
32:42
Speaker 1: didn't learn how to use any utensils here. And what
32:45
Speaker 1: this guy's doing, the owner of this place, this camp,
32:48
Speaker 1: he's trying to tell people, Look, he didn't learn how
32:50
Speaker 1: to use this knife here. And I'm sure a lot
32:52
Speaker 1: of people have had those questions. They found out that
32:54
Speaker 1: he was working filletying fish or whatever, and of course
32:58
Speaker 1: people make the jump and they make the connection right away. Well,
33:01
Speaker 1: if he was flaying fish, then he must have been
33:03
Speaker 1: proficient with a knife. And when these murders first happened,
33:07
Speaker 1: remember there was a lot of people out there talking
33:09
Speaker 1: about how it must have been a prolific hunter or
33:12
Speaker 1: somebody that was into skinning animals and doing taxidermy. So
33:17
Speaker 1: there was a whole bunch of different theories going around.
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Speaker 1: But I think it's safe to say that Brian Koberger
33:23
Speaker 1: learned how to wield a knife later on down the road,
33:26
Speaker 1: and it had nothing to do with his time spent
33:28
Speaker 1: at this camp or a fishing site or whatever. Coburger,
33:32
Speaker 1: a Pennsylvania native, had trouble with drugs in his late teens,
33:36
Speaker 1: but got himself together and obtained a master's degree in
33:40
Speaker 1: criminal justice from Dsallas University. And you know what's so crazy.
33:44
Speaker 1: Brian Coberger's story had all the hallmarks of a great
33:47
Speaker 1: comeback story. Somebody who was addicted to drugs as a
33:51
Speaker 1: kid a youth, gets clean, goes and gets his master's degree,
33:56
Speaker 1: and then he's working towards a PhD. If the story
33:59
Speaker 1: would have stopped there, then we would have been looking
34:01
Speaker 1: at what just about all of us love a great
34:04
Speaker 1: comeback story. But instead it's something completely different. Brian Kohberger
34:10
Speaker 1: obviously was battling demons, had a lot of issues going
34:14
Speaker 1: on in his brain, and all of those fantasies that
34:17
Speaker 1: he obviously was harboring if he's the man the government
34:20
Speaker 1: tells us he is, well, all of those fantasies came
34:24
Speaker 1: to fruition on that faithful morning of November thirteenth. This
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Speaker 1: past fall semester was his first at Washington State University,
34:33
Speaker 1: where he was seeking a PhD in criminology. The school
34:37
Speaker 1: is just seven miles away from the University of Idaho,
34:41
Speaker 1: which all four stabbing victims attended. Madison Mogan, Kaylee Gonsalvez,
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Speaker 1: Zana Kernodle and Ethan Chapin. Three of the victims were housemates,
34:51
Speaker 1: and Chapin Kernodle's boyfriend lived across the street and was
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Speaker 1: staying the night. Police say they were killed around four
34:58
Speaker 1: am on November thirteenth with a large knife. Investigators zeroed
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Speaker 1: in on Coburger's car the suspect vehicle, and say his
35:07
Speaker 1: phone data shows he allegedly stalked the crime scene a
35:10
Speaker 1: dozen times before the slayings and returned again hours later.
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Speaker 1: According to court documents, detectives found DNA on a k
35:19
Speaker 1: bar knife sheath left at the scene next to Mogan's body.
35:23
Speaker 1: That sample matched familial DNA taken from the trash can
35:27
Speaker 1: outside his parents' house in the Pocono Mountains, and court
35:31
Speaker 1: records unsealed this week show the FBI took additional DNA
35:35
Speaker 1: swabs from Coburger directly after his arrest on December thirtieth,
35:40
Speaker 1: and those buckle swabs are going to give the government
35:44
Speaker 1: a complete workup of Brian Koeberger's DNA, So whatever they
35:48
Speaker 1: found at the scene, if they found anything else at
35:51
Speaker 1: the scene, they're really going to be able to tie
35:53
Speaker 1: it to Brian Coberger and stick it to him. Good.
35:56
Speaker 1: So my guess is, and I've said this from the beginning,
35:59
Speaker 1: the investigators have a lot more than they're sharing with us,
36:03
Speaker 1: especially when it comes to DNA evidence. So we'll see
36:07
Speaker 1: where it all goes. But it's interesting to get a
36:09
Speaker 1: look at Brian Kolberger's past life, who he was, and
36:13
Speaker 1: how we got to the point where we find ourselves today.
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Speaker 1: And when these stories come out from people in his past,
36:20
Speaker 1: I always like to add them to the catalog so
36:22
Speaker 1: we continue to get that context. All right, folks, that's
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Speaker 1: going to do it for this one. All of the
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