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Robert Hansen - The Butcher Killer of Alaska - Part 1 · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 2: I'm freaking ready. Rock and roll.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I do have a question for you, though. Have
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  Speaker 1: you ever heard of this name Robert Hanson.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to say no, because the first thing that
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  Speaker 2: came to mind was like Hanson, Like the band is
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  Speaker 2: that Hanson or Moffitt?
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  Speaker 1: That's Hanson.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I literally like, get those two bands next up constantly.
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  Speaker 1: I don't even know the other one.
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  Speaker 2: So okay, I've seen one of them and I can't remember
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  Speaker 2: which one it is. I feel like Moffitt, but I
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  Speaker 2: don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Well, anyways, Robert Hanson has quite the fucking story. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So we're going to start with In nineteen twenty four,
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  Speaker 1: there was a short story called The Most Dangerous Game
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  Speaker 1: by the authored Richard Cronell. Now, it's told the tale
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  Speaker 1: of a wealthy Russian aristocrat who decided hunting big game
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  Speaker 1: had no longer become exhilarating for him. It became boring,
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  Speaker 1: so he began capturing people and setting them loose on
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  Speaker 1: his private island to hunt them for sport.
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  Speaker 2: Holy shit, Okay, that went somewhere. I didn't expect it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So, now ever, since this story was published, the
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  Speaker 1: perverse idea of humans being hunted by humans captivated the public.
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  Speaker 1: It's a just sturbing concept that's appeared time and time
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  Speaker 1: again for plots of novels, TV shows, movies, but for
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  Speaker 1: the most part, it's been reserved for the world of fiction.
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  Speaker 2: Thankfully, Thank god, I feel like we have enough shit
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  Speaker 2: to work out.
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  Speaker 1: That is, however, until nineteen seventies, when a man by
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  Speaker 1: the name of Robert Hanson turned this premise into a
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  Speaker 1: horrifying decade long reality in the woods of Alaska.
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  Speaker 3: When nineteen seventies.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, so like, not really that long ago.
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  Speaker 1: This is the terrifying true story of Robert Hanson, aka
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  Speaker 1: the Butcher Baker of Alaska.
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  Speaker 2: Oh gosh, what does that mean? Butcher baker?
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  Speaker 1: He was a baker?
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  Speaker 2: So oh okay, really it is where I went.
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  Speaker 1: I well, it's not very Sweeny Todd. Let's put it
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  Speaker 1: that way, like no one gets baked into the bake goods.
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  Speaker 1: But he just so happened to be a baker.
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay, because I was like, oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 2: I'm out.
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  Speaker 1: No, we're not getting any of missus Lovett's meat pies
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  Speaker 1: in this episode, thankfully, So that is another episode with.
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  Speaker 2: Another oh I'm sure there's oh, there is.
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  Speaker 1: I got Joey something.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we have one on our list.
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  Speaker 1: Actually, oh yeah, this dude was like crazy and he
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  Speaker 1: burned people in a burger and fed like in hamburgers
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  Speaker 1: to people. Joey methanol or methanol or something. M yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I can picture the dude. He looks fucking.
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  Speaker 3: Creepy, tasty.
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  Speaker 2: Might be the best burger you ever had.
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  Speaker 1: Tastes just like chicken poor apparently, so people have.
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  Speaker 2: Said, is what humans taste like?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? Very similar.
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  Speaker 3: How do people know this?
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  Speaker 1: Cannibalisms?
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, I guess I was like, I was thinking,
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  Speaker 2: like just an average person would know this. But it's
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  Speaker 2: like people in jail.
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  Speaker 1: I saw this article not too long ago where they've
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  Speaker 1: actually created a a what's the word a synthetic human meat?
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  Speaker 1: Why so you can taste what human meat would do?
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  Speaker 2: Actually died not knowing what that DOESNT fine.
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  Speaker 1: It's completely fucked up. I mean I understand the curiosity
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  Speaker 1: being there. I mean like, yeah, you know, the opportunity.
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  Speaker 3: To try I have zero curiosity.
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  Speaker 1: No, I have zero curiosity too. I can just understand
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  Speaker 1: the curiosity being there, being like the opportunity to have
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  Speaker 1: the taste without having actual human flesh in my mouth.
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  Speaker 1: I can kind of get it. However, I would still
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  Speaker 1: throw up. Fuck. No, that should never have been created.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's really gross.
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  Speaker 2: We even have the opportunity to have alligator one time,
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  Speaker 2: and never.
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  Speaker 1: You didn't want to and I was super disappointed. And
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  Speaker 1: now I go back to Florida and try it.
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  Speaker 2: I told you too.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm going to try it with I'm trying
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  Speaker 3: it with you.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Well, i'd go do that again. That was like
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  Speaker 2: super fun to go back to Florida alligator hunting.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was awesome. Okay, so let's get on with
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  Speaker 1: the story now. Robert was born in Pocahontas, Idaho, in
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  Speaker 1: nineteen thirty nine. Robert was the son of Danish immigrants,
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  Speaker 1: Chris and Edna Hanson, who would and he would follow
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  Speaker 1: in his father's footsteps to become a successful big breaker. Yeah. Now,
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  Speaker 1: as a young teen, Robert was a skinny boy and
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  Speaker 1: was painfully shy. He was unfortunately afflicted with a stutter
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  Speaker 1: and a severe case sorry little stutter action there, U
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  Speaker 1: with a stutter and a severe case that eventually, wow,
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  Speaker 1: because I stuttered, I just messed that whole sentence up.
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  Speaker 1: That just like completely backfi Okay, he was afflicted with
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  Speaker 1: a stutter and a severe case of acne. There we go.
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  Speaker 1: That eventually left him permanently scarred on his face later
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  Speaker 1: in life.
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  Speaker 2: The acne, yes, really, he was probably picking it. Don't pick,
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  Speaker 2: don't pop the pimples.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Robert later on actually went to say, like in
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  Speaker 1: his later years in life, he would describe his face
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  Speaker 1: as one big pimple, bad acne.
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  Speaker 3: So holy.
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  Speaker 1: Now, because of these attributes, though, Robert wasn't exactly a
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  Speaker 1: popular kid in high school. He didn't have any friends
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  Speaker 1: or many friends, if any at all. The girls kind
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  Speaker 1: of shunned him. They didn't really talk to him at school.
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  Speaker 1: It was just kind of you know, he was kids
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  Speaker 1: are fucking Yes, it was. It was brutal.
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  Speaker 3: So I feel for him.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, he didn't have friends and he didn't have
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  Speaker 1: much of a dating life either because of this. Now,
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  Speaker 1: this left him with strong feelings of resentment on the
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  Speaker 1: inside towards them all, and he would dream of garnishing
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  Speaker 1: revenge on them for the way that they treated him.
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  Speaker 1: But on the outside, he was still just a scrawny,
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  Speaker 1: shy teen with acne and a stutter. Now, to make
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  Speaker 1: it all worse. Robert was also left handed, and now
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  Speaker 1: it was common practice for left handed children to be
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  Speaker 1: forced to use their right hand back then. Right, So,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, whether it's like a society or it was
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  Speaker 1: like a Christian thing, because I know, like the left
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  Speaker 1: hand was like the hand of the devil's right.
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  Speaker 2: I was kind of trying to remember what it was,
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  Speaker 2: but yeah, it was a religious singer, right, Yeah, I.
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  Speaker 1: Mean I think it started out as that, but it
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  Speaker 1: also just kind of became standard practice. I think, like, no,
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  Speaker 1: you got it, write with your right hand sort of thing.
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  Speaker 2: Because that's like socially acceptable.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah fuck that. Fuck social acceptability.
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  Speaker 2: In your left hand and use your.
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  Speaker 1: Left hand exactly. So now, the stress and confusion that
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  Speaker 1: would most certainly cross a child's mind of having a
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  Speaker 1: stutter and trying to force using your other hand would
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  Speaker 1: only make those stuttering problems probably worse for him.
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  Speaker 2: Dang, okay, dude, you're just making me picture this, like
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  Speaker 2: I feel just terrible for this person.
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  Speaker 1: I feel terrible for Robert at this point in time.
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  Speaker 1: He did not have a fun childhood.
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  Speaker 2: Rough it sounds horrific.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, luckily, though his parents did have the best
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  Speaker 1: intention for Robert. He did have good parents. They were
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  Speaker 1: kind of strictly religious, but that's not the most worst
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  Speaker 1: case scenario we've ever heard in the podcast.
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  Speaker 2: They could beat them, which I feel like is way worse.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly abandonment stuff like. He didn't deal with any of that,
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  Speaker 1: which is thankful now. Even though their efforts to help
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  Speaker 1: him gain the confidence and overcome his stutter was a
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  Speaker 1: little cruel and possibly even hindering, they did do their best.
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  Speaker 1: They thought that putting him to work in the bakery
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  Speaker 1: would be a great way for him to grow some confidence,
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  Speaker 1: and perhaps his face to face interactions with patrons of
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  Speaker 1: the business would encourage him to overcome his stutter.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, a typical kind of terrible idea.
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  Speaker 1: It's not. It's a it's a tough up type attitude,
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  Speaker 1: you know, work through it.
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  Speaker 2: They might not have had people that like speak speech
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  Speaker 2: people that help with that, right, So.
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  Speaker 1: They definitely did have speech therapy and stuff, but it
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  Speaker 1: just wasn't quite as readily available as it is today. So,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, speech therapy is definitely what Robert probably needed,
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  Speaker 1: but it's definitely not what he got.
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  Speaker 2: Speech therapy and some proactive, so active get rid of
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  Speaker 2: that action helped the acne.
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  Speaker 1: I just burped a big burp. Oh my god, I
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  Speaker 1: held back all the sound, but all had tasted horrible.
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  Speaker 2: It's the beer.
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  Speaker 1: No, the beer's gonna help get that flavor out of there.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
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  Speaker 2: I had acne as a child, fairly bad.
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  Speaker 1: Actually, I had one great, big pimple that kept popping
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  Speaker 1: up right on the tip of my nose. I hated
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  Speaker 1: that sucker.
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  Speaker 2: You've abably just kept popping in and then you're not
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  Speaker 2: supposed to pop them. I'm suppose you're got a scar there,
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  Speaker 2: so mi, because.
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  Speaker 1: That thing came back time and time again. Anyways, my
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  Speaker 1: giant fucking pimple. Aside, he continued to work long hours
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  Speaker 1: in his family's bakery, and he spent most of his
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  Speaker 1: spare time alone. Still in his teens, Robert began to
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  Speaker 1: find love of the outdoors, and he quickly became an
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  Speaker 1: avid hunter. It was a place where Robert could be
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  Speaker 1: alone and by himself, free of judgmental eyes on the
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  Speaker 1: mocking of his stutter. Not only was it a place
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  Speaker 1: to be alone, but Robert picked up the of hunting
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  Speaker 1: rather quickly and became very very good at it. He
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  Speaker 1: was tracking, stalking, shooting all of it Robert was in
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  Speaker 1: natural and even when it went and even later on
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: in life, went to break multiple records for shooting big
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: game animals. Oh really, So it's like when it comes
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: to big game animals, it's all on measurement on the
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: size of like the rack and stuff, right, very similar
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: to like how much does your fish weigh and you
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: got a record fish sort of thing, a little more complex.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: But when he was actually breaking records, wow, he.
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: Was, Well, that was later on in life when he
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: lived up in Alaska, where there's big.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: Fucking animals, that's where you're going to break the records.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: Well, there's there's some records being broken in like Montana
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: and stuff. It's Alaska definitely has the natural ones where
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: they're they're more fed to grow like that. Yeah, but yeah,
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: definitely there's record breaking animals up there, and he was
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: definitely using it as a resource at the time. But
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: that's later on in life. So in nineteen fifty seven,
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: after graduating high school, when Robert was just eighteen years old,
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: he joined the United States Army Reserve, hoping to leave
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: behind his troubled youth and making something for himself right
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: on now. While not in training, Robert and his new
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: army friends would spend time heading out to nearby cities
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: located by their camp. Here, Robert finally experienced intimacy with
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: a woman for the first time, with a sex worker.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not going to judge people who do
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: sex work, don't get me wrong there, but for a
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: first time thing, I don't think that's very good.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: No, probably not.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: It could. I don't know. It just seems like it
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: could ruin that. Not that it's very good the first
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: time anyways, but you know what I mean.
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, it's usually awkward, stumbling you going there.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: We went there, And.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: For Canadians, it's a lot of oh, I'm sorry, Oh.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: My gosh, holy shit.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: Tell me I'm wrong.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: It's next level.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: Tell me I'm wrong. Oh sorry, Bud.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Okay, not the bud, not the but
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: I'll go with the sorry.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: We call everybody Bud. At least I do, right, Bud.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: I do dude, dude? Oh sorry, dude, Yeah, sorry, dude.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: There you go. Okay. Intimacy aside. For Robert, women in
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: the sex trade were much nicer to him than those
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: he dealt with back home. They treated him with decency.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: But with this new treatment gave Robert the sense of confidence,
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: which is good. It is good, but it may have
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: gone too far because it could have possibly even given
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: him the sense of superiority, which is not good.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay, this is going Yeah, it is okay.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: So after serving eighteen months in the reserve, he returned home,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: rented his first apartment and began a routine serving one
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: weekend a month and then one or sorry, one weekend
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: a month in the Army reserve. Yeah, and then also
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: working at the bakery the rest of the time. He
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: even would do volunteering as an assistant drill sergeant at
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: the local police academy in town, the town of Pocahontas. Now,
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: not only all this, but Robert also managed to find
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: himself a girlfriend by the name of Phoebe, who is
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: a bit of a loner, a lot like Robert. So
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: they're very much in many ways built for each other.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: Okay, little Phoebe, that's a whole name. That's like reminds
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: me of friends.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: I love Phoebe. So then in the summer of nineteen sixties, sixties,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: nineteen sixty, there we go. The two of them ended
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: up getting married and everything in Robert's life was looking
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: up in every way. Every way that is, except one.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Do tell Robert was still harboring resentment towards everyone who
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: made fun of him in school.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: He can't let that shit go.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: I could not let that go. Not only his peers, however,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: but the school system had let him down, and he
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: had major resentment for his peers and the school. So
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Robert fantasized about exacting some sort of revenge on those
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: that never left him alone in high school.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, I mean, I think it's honestly fair to think it, right,
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: But then at some point too, like that's quite a
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: few years later, you do have to just let it
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: go along with your life.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean he's he's what I mean, he was
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: eighteen when he left. He served eighteen months. He's probably
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: like almost twenty.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, so I guess he's still pretty young. And
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: it sounds like he was pretty bad too.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and which is really sad. I think he's still
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: going through a lot of it too, Like he's still
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: a loner, right.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: And he's like married, lean on your wife.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well technically he's not married yet. He's getting married
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: this same year, but yeah, he's he's got Phoebe in
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: his quarter. Yeah. I just kind of summed that up
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: in that sentence earlier. So where am I here? Now?
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: I lost my train of thought, right. Robert often confided
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: in a new friend who he made through training at
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: the police academy. Boy was only sixteen and he had
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: also worked at Robert's parents bakery. Now, eventually Robert venting
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: and confiding in him on a lot of his past
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: and kind of almost talking demeaningly about his peers from
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: high school and the school itself. Eventually Robert would would
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: say a few things to him that would lead to
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: something else. So this boy, for the sake of argument,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of names for whatever in this case
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: that are hidden. So we're gonna call him.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: John, John Johnny.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're going to So Robert one day confided
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: in John that he wanted to burn down the school
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: bus hall, which housed three school buses for the local
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: high school, quote unquote, just to see if he could
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: get away with it.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: Oh boy, Okay, that's the next level, A.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: Little next level there. Yeah, Rather than just I fucking
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: hate those people in that school, it's like I want
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: to fucking arn it.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: Burn down, and.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: One way or another, Robert somehow convinced John to take
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: part in this fantasy. Okay, So on December seventh, nineteen sixty,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: the two worked future towards the bakery to establish an alibi,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: and then set out to the school bus hall. John
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: was lookout while Robert poured several gallons of gas onto
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: the hall and lit it on blaze.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: That's so interesting that this John guy would want.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: To help him, right, Why I mean, I mean he's
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: his friends.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: They're friends. But not only that, Robert's older and his
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: drill sergeant from police academy, so he probably looks up
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: to him.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: Oh okay, yeah, yeah.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: So once it once, it was little blaze back to
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: the bakery to continue their alibi. So as soon as
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: the local firehle was called, Robert hurried off back towards
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: the blaze from the bakery as he was part of
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: the local fire volunteer group.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, it was.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: The perfect revenge and crime. He had an alibi and
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: was even a first responder on the scene to help
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: put out the blaze.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Well, I feel like that really thought through.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, However, nothing thing was really salvage. The building did
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: burn down completely. But he had all his bases covered
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: and he was sure to get away with it.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: But I also feel like that's not even targeting really
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: who he should be targeting. Yeah, like at all?
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: I agree, But okay, so you would think he's going
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: to get away with it. He thinks he's going to,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: but there is one loose end that he did not
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: have tied up. John, however, developed a guilty conscience.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: Oh shit, Yeah.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: He turned himself and Robert in just a few months
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: later on March twenty ninth.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Really really really, Oh I didn't see that coming.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: John's a good dude. Robert clearly is not. Robert's a dick.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Foreshadowing there, Robert is a.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: Dick, okay, mega, foreshadowing mega.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: After being arrested, he was sentenced to three years for arson.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: That's a long time, that is.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, I mean only three years after burningtown building.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: I haven't haven't arred anymore.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: That do far worse, I get less.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: That is.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: So I feel like that's actually a.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: Lot that's true. And you'll find this what you just
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: said to be very much so a fact in this
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: case in itself. Cool, Yeah, not so much so. Robert
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: began attending sessions in prison with a psychiatrist and spoke
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: openly about what he had done under doctor patient confidentiality. Okay,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: so before he went to prison is when he actually
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: got married his girlfriend or her fiance at the time, Phoebe.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Phoebe was like, I can't be with someone who's doing
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: something like this, and she's all like, tell me, you
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: didn't do this. He looked during the eye and swore
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: I did not do this. It wasn't me being framed
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: by John.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: So three days I believe it was before he went
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: to jail. They actually got married right before he went
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: into jail.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: Okay, Okay.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: He seems like he's like quite good at manipulation.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: He is a very much so master manipulator.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Starts developing that a lot a little later on here,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: but he's definitely starting to get into it here.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: So while in prison I'm this doctor patient confidentiality, he
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: would begin confessing a lot of things about what he
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: had done and discussing it with his doctor as psychiatrist,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: stating things like, quote unquote, I guess I burned down
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: the bus barn because I hated the school with a
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: divine passion. So Yeah, clearly he's admitting it. He did it. Now.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: The psychiatrist working on Robert noted that he had quote
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: unquote an infantile personality and was obsessed with getting back
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: at people he felt had wronged him. Now, there are
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: also some reports of him being diagnosed with bipolar disorder
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: with periodic schizophrenic episodes as well at this time, but
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: there are no facts that I could find on those. Okay,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: so there's possible, but there's no concrete evidence that that
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: was ever a diagnosis. Okay, but he did have infantile personality,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: which is basically saying, yeah, he didn't grow up out
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: of those childish tendencies of like you were mean to me.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, that's what that means. Hey, yep, huh interesting.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Rather than like developing it as like, you know, as
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: you grow up, you develop that like resentment towards people
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, whereas most of us grow up out
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: of it. He just didn't grow out of it. He
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: never developed it later on. He just didn't grow out
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: of it. Oh okay, that kind of temper tantrum sort
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: of thing.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Mm hm.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: So six months into his incarceration, Robert discovered his sessions
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: were not protected by any sort of doctor patient confidence.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: Y oh shit.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: When his wife filed for divorce after finding out about
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: his confessions.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Wow, he just assumed.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: He just assumed.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so he lost his phoebe. Now, Robert refused to
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: talk with the psychiatrist anymore, but he did pursue becoming
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: a model inmate, doing things like volunteer work and showing
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: his growth in any way he could.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: I think that's a game.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: But okay, you think what.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Like, I think he's doing that as a game. I
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: don't like, is he actually doing well or just like pretending.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Oh he's just pretending.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah that's what I mean.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, on purpose.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: Okay, he's not actually a model inmate's well I know what.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: I was like. Maybe sometimes people turn around, but like,
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: I like, he's not.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: No, this was a charade completely. He's got this in mind.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: He's going to be good and get out early sort
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: of thing. So in doing so, he was released early
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: after only serving twenty months out of his.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Three year century.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Now, after prison, Robert moved in with his parents, who
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: had actually moved to Minnesota out of embarrassment of what
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: had happened. Because it was all over the town because
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: there's no doctor patient confidentiality. And he admitted it all
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: when in court. It was under the pretense of little
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Johnny is framing me and now he's in jail being like, yeah,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: I did it.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: That's so interesting that they would have a hab to
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: actually have moved well.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: I'm not too sure if they moved strictly out of
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: embarrassment or if it was like the town shunning them,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: but they definitely moved well.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: And then I guess too if they did business like
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: people would probably not want to go to the business exactly.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So they went to Minnesota. Now Minnesota, Robert worked
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: odd jobs at their new business of owning a small resort,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: and it was there he met Darla. The two got
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: along great and spent their time in the summer, you know,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: doing the chores together on the resort, and every waking
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: moment together when they were having fun and laughing and
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: enjoying themselves. Now, in nineteen sixty three they ended up
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: getting married, and in nineteen sixty five Robert began getting
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: caught up in some petty theft, which didn't really do
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: much for him. Didn't really do well, but he never
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: really amounted to much. There were some some cases of
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: him getting caught, and later on in life even he
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: did have some charges on him, but didn't really do
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: much anyways, but it is notable that he was doing
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. So in nineteen sixty seven, Robert
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: decided he wanted a fresh start, and along with his wife,
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: they decided to move to Anchorage, Alaska, the perfect place
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: for an avid outdoorsman.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: At the age of twenty eight, Robert and his wife,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Darla began settling into their new life very nicely. Darla
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: began teaching and Robert opened a bakery, just like his
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: parents did. Oh, I think Mikah is going to be
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: drinking here. Can you guys? Hear the dog lapping about
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: the water.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: She's very loud.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: She's very loud. You good, mika Okay. I think she's good.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: She's good.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: She's good. Okay. So they fit right into the community perfectly,
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: making friends and spending time at the local church, and
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: not to mention being respectable owners of a local bakery,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: and even having started a family with two young children
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: of their own.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, right on, I was wondering if that was going
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: to happen.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: It definitely happened. So Darla spent most of her time
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: either working with the church or taking care of the children,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: while Robert was, on the other hand, dedicated to the
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: bakery and spent spent most of his time there and
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: free time out in the town with friends or kind
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: of doing his own thing. It wasn't really something Darla
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: would question he was doing to her. Like in her religion,
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: her job as a wife isn't to question her husband,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: but it's to be devout and support him. A little
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: bit different take, But I mean.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: It's I was gonna say something that I decided not to.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: I questioned this shit out of you all the time?
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: You do you do? I mean, props to her for
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: being so dedicated.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all that you don't support or trust you.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: But I'm like, what the fuck are you doing? Yeah,
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: if you're late, I'm like, where are you?
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Oh? Definitely, and that's just fine. But I'm just saying, like,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: props to her for being so supportive of her husband
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: like that. However, I mean, we're all equals. There should be,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: you know that, that's a wife's job, like you know
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: what I mean.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: But then also to running a bakery, I feel like
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: would be very hard and you'd be putting in a
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: lot of hours probably right, because you have to get
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: up freaking early and make a lot of shit before
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: you open.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, she didn't know what Robert was doing anyways.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: What she didn't know specifically was Robert would spend a
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: lot of his spare time at the Red Light District,
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: or locally known as the Tenderloin District. Yeah, oh, Anchorage.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know the population would have been at this time,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: but I do you know what was actually fairly busy
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: because it's like a lot of oil companies starting up there,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: fairly fair amount of disposable income for families and individuals,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: So it was it was kind of a hop in place.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay, so I need to I would like to
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: actually explore Alaska a bit more, so, would I.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: So he would he would spend his time at this
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: quote unquote Tenderloin District at strip clubs and bars, and
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: he was focused very much so on the sex workers
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: in the area. Now, he wouldn't necessarily always go inside,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: but he would sit out inside in his vehicle and
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: he would watch them simply going to work, coming from work,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: simply just passing by, going in and out of the
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: strip clubs, walking up and down, flagging people down sort
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: of thing. He just watched.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: So he was watching.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: He wasn't actually cheating on his wife or anything.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: No, no, we're getting there.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: He wasn't in the bars drinking, but he would just
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: he would part his car and he would watch. He
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: liked to watch.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Interesting. There's other places you want to watch it.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Not sex workers in the red light district only one
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: place to do that. So apparently, though, Robert began to
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: be known by some of the girls in the area
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: as a kind of a regular, and they learned that
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: he didn't or sorry that he didn't like to approach them.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: What he did like was he did like them to
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: approach him.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: Don't don't just don't, don't. Don't approach him.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: I feel like it's gonna end badly.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely not so from there, Robert no longer pictured
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: them as women once they approached him. Oh, but something else.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: They were like trash to him, a little bit different,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: like that superiority complex.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: At a very young age.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Really, yeah, he had the power and he no longer
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: respected them, and it's most likely strictly because of their work.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: He would accept the women's offerings, bring them into the car,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: and pay for more often oral sex, which is something
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: he would never ask of his wife. And that's kind
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: of what he did.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: So he did become a cheating master.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: He did. So that's what he was doing in the
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: red light district until things changed a little bit on
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: November fifteenth of nineteen seventy one, when he did something
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: a little bit different.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: His wife had to have a potential idea of this
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: because it's like nighttime that he's gone.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: So there's a lot of speculation on how and what
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: his wife thought a new and she just didn't know
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: any of this, and some of the stuff that she
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: did know about because later on there's some court proceedings,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: she just stuck by his side and there's no way
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: it was him.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: But then we've already discussed you that he was a
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: manipulator too, so he could have just been manipulating his wife.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but I mean even still some of it,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: it's like kind of head scratching on how it went
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: so far. But like you say, mass manipulator, so you
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: knows yep. So a woman by the name of Susie
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: was simply driving home on that day of November fifteenth,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy one, she was driving home from work through
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: the red light district. She pulled up to a stop
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: light and waited for the light to turn green when
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: she caught the eyes of a man sitting in the
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: car at the light next to her, and she politely
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: smiled and then turned and proceeded on her way. That
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: man was, of course, Robert.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Now, Robert began tailing Susie and followed her home, which
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: is as creepy.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: As Yeah, I would not be okay with that. But
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: also when that happens, don't go home.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't think she would have saw him, particularly,
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: I was.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: Paying attention was following me.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Fuck, I pay attention to that shit too much.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: You're kind of also the host of the truth, just like.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: I don't even dress like anyone I would know.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: You probably freak out if you saw me following you home?
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: The fuck are you doing?
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: Leave me alone?
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: I live with you, damn it. So he watched her
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: park your car and then go into her apartment. Ah,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: he sat there waiting a moment before he also exited
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: his vehicle, walked up to her door and knocked.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Creepy right, Okay, but she wasn't a sex work or
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: was she?
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: No, she wasn't. She just so happened to be driving
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: through the red light district. Okay, So Susie answered the door,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: and Robert began kind of stuttering and stammering and tried
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: to make small talk and lied about how he was
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: new to the Anchorage area and didn't really know any people.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: But eventually he kind of came around and got to
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: his point. He asked Susie if she would like to
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: go on a date, to which she declined and politely
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: and slowly closed the door on Robert.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Good for her. I don't feel like that's the end.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: All that is definitely not the end, because Robert was enraged.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: It was high school all over again.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: Talk about just being in the wrong place the wrong
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: time for Susie. That's her name, right, Yeah, Okay, I'm
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: just make that up.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: She she was one of the names where it's like
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: we're not too sure of her name, and I'm I'm
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: sure I could find these names. But if they're protecting
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: their names, yeah, then I'm gonna do that.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: So I totally think she's wrong place, is the wrong moment? Right?
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Oh, definitely, definitely wrong place, wrong time, dang. So over
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: the next few days, Robert watched Susie carefully and closely.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: He learned her every move and memorized her schedule till
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: one morning, about a week later, he waited for her
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: in his car outside her apartment, and then when she
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: showed up just like expected, Robert got out of his vehicle,
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: walked up to her, and pulled out a gun and
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: held her at gunpoint. Awesome now, of course, being held
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: at fucking gunpoint, Susie led her a scream, but Robert
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: waved the gun in her face and ordered her to
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: shut the fuck up or he would quote unquote blow
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: her head off. Now luckily, a neighbor heard Susie scream,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: and not too long after that scream, that neighbor shouted
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: out the window that the police were on their way.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: Oh good, good, good good.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: And sure enough in the distance, a moment later, some
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: sirens came from the distance, closing and quick.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: Yay.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: So Robert didn't have anything to do but run, run
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: and let her go, right yeah, so he took off
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: on foot. So after Susie reported the incident and what happened,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: describe Robert and everything. Police eventually found Robert walking down
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: a nearby road in the snow, and he just said that.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: He's like, oh, you know, I was just out for
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: a walk. You know, I was driving him got a
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: little bit lightheaded and dizzy, so with THO, I'd just
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: kind of go for a stroll. Yeah, bullshit. They fucking
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: pick him up.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: That's a terrible alibi.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: Right, So they pick him up and he identified by
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: Susie and there you go, he's taken into custody. Now,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: like we've already discussed though, and like many other psychopaths,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: Robert is a master manipulator. He'd thought up a plan
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: to protect himself and it worked.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: No, what on earth was it?
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: Then?
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: What would like, what could you think of?
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: He used his medical background that he was diagnosed by
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: the psychiatrist when he's previously previously in prison, and he
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: claimed that he had no recollection of the incident. He
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: even told investigators that it was something he experienced frequently
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: where he would have memory blackouts. And then he proceeded
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: to be very concerned for Susie and the incident. Wow,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: and he said that if he was involved, then he
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: needs some serious help. So he's turning it around like
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: he's the.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: Victim that's actually like super smart.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: It's connecting hat it right.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: So this combined with his reputation in the community as
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: a stand up citizen, a family man, you know, the
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: local bakery owner and going to church and all this,
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: they let him go. He was able to gain release
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: from charge as he pleaded no contest to assault with
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: a deadly weapon. The only stipulation was he was ordered
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: for ps psychiatric help. Now, however, this wasn't completely getting
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: off Scott free. I just want to throw this in here.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: There was a future trial to be scheduled.
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: Okay, okay, but but he is just free in.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: The meantime really like okay, because that's I mean, I
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: get it, like you have an illness or whatever. But
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: if he's doing shit like that, like they got to
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: make like maybe he almost needs to go into like
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: a facility and get help and have it actually like
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: set help rather than yeah, I'm gonna go get help.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but mind you, this is that's scary.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: It was super scary. But this is also like the seventies,
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: I guess in Alaska, Like the resources I'm sure aren't
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: that great. So okay, yeah, you're gonna go get help,
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: make sure you go get help. We'll see in court
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: whenever it's scheduled. Basically how it was, it was basically
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: getting away free, especially for Robert, who had no problem
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: convincing his new psychiatrists that these memory blackouts were in
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: act real.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: Wow, even a professional, even a professional, huh.
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: So I don't like that.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: While Robert was out free, he just kept doing what
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: he always did, visiting the red light district. But now
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: with escalated tendencies.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: Can I ask you a question? I hope I'm allowed
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: to ask this question.
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: Is Susie okay?
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: Does she end up being okay? Like she like just
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: live in her life?
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: Susie's okay? Okay, that's the last that we deal with Susie.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, I'm surprised.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: So early December, Robert tried to strike up a conversation
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: with another individual, an eighteen year old who will call Jane,
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: who was in fact a sex worker but not currently working.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: He tried to talk to her and she casually brushed
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: him off twice. He don't like that, No, he did
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: not like that. He was pissed off. Robert was done
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: being brushed off and treated just like his former high
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: school self. He demanded respect and pulled out a gun
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: on Jane and told her to get in the car
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: as he shoved the gun against her and pushed her in,
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: and then drove off.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: Just go home to your wife and kids, Like, what
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: the fuck are you doing?
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: He's doing some fuck up.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: She's making me angry. Now I'm getting angry.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: Right. So, after driving out of the city with what
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: did I say? We were calling her Jane? Right after
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: driving out of the city with Jane in the backseat,
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: Robert ended up pulling over. And here's where it kind
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: of gets a bit weird. Okay. He pulled over and
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: he asked if it was okay if he ripped off
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: her bra. The politeness caught Jane off guard, and she
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: responded politely back that she didn't want to because the
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: bra was rather expensive. So Robert came to a compromise
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: and told her to just undress instead, So she complied
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: completely undressed and laid in his back seat nude, and
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: then he tied her hands with leather shoelace behind her
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: back and continued to drive.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: That is really odd.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: That is really odd.
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: Huh.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: Okay, I don't even know what to say about that.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, So there is one thing that I want to
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: say here. I very rarely believe any sort of assailant
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: or murderer or any person like this when they say, oh,
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: I had no intention of killing them. Robert later on
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: says this, I never had any intention of killing these victims.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: And I'm sure he had every intention with some, but
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: this rate here tells me maybe he didn't ever have
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: intention of killing them every time, because if he was
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: going to kill Jane here, he wouldn't have asked politely.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: I think it's more of a playing out a fantasy
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: of having that superiority in the power, and then it
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: just kind of goes south sometimes and he just has
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: to do what he has to do because he's basically
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: kidnapped someone already, and if they don't go along with it,
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: what's he going to do?
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: Well, or he actually does have that illness.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: Potentially that's true, But right, I did already say there
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: are sometimes where I'm I don't believe this would be true.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: There are sometimes where I'm sure he made the choice
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: specifically to kill him, right, But this tells me that
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: I don't think it was every time that he made
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: that choice. That sometimes it was just yeah, I'm trying
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: to just understand. And this was because this is so
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: weird of a thing where he's going to ask politely
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: if he can rip off her bra. That's like, that's
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: so fucking out of character for what a person.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: Like this would do.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it doesn't make sense. So that's the only
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: way I can make sense of that is maybe he
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: didn't always intend on killing the person.
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: Maybe, Okay, so maybe just.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: Just food for thought. So, after she was nude tied
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: up in the back seat, he ended up driving over
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: eighty miles to another hotel to kill the room, where
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: he then proceeded to rape Jane inside.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: How did you get this naked Jane into the hotel room?
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: He put a blanket over her and then they kind
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: of hustled in.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: Interesting. Okay, I don't know why that was something I
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: needed to know. You asked, I know what, I'm just like,
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: that just seems so intriguing.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: Well, it wasn't something I was going to put in
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: the podcast because it seems so like benign you ask.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: So here we are. So once Robert was satisfied, I
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: guess that's the best way I can say it, he
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: brought Jane back to the car and they started driving again,
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: and he ended up going back towards Anchorage, but then
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: made a sudden turn onto a side road and pulled
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: off in the middle of nowhere and forced Jane out
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: of the car. There she stood naked in the snow,
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: freezing cold by the way clearly can imagine, and Robert
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: told her to run.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: Oh God, I hate that.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: However, Jane didn't run. She begged for him not to
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: do this. She reasoned with them. She said that her
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: occupation as a sex worker, she doesn't exactly trust police
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: and they don't exactly trust her. She's never going to
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: turn from a turn to them for help. Sorry, if
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: he lets her go, she wouldn't tell a soul. And
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: Robert didn't look at her this entire time. He was
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: just staring off into the trees. And reportedly after this
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: he brought her back in the vehicle, saying he saw
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: something off of the trees and he's worried someone's watching.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: So in the vehicle. He then started driving back to Anchorage, Okay.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: And driving back to Anchorage, he decided that he was
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: going to go onto her wallet and take down names
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: of people she knew, or names he could find in there,
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: and he found the names of her parents, and he
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: wrote down not just her address and her name, but
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: her parent's name and her parents address. He said, if
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: you ever tell anyone, I will kill your family.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: So he drove her back to Anchorage with this information
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: and let her go.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: Huh. That is beyond interesting, really it is.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm happy for her, but Holly, that's a
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: freaking traumatizing experience that she went through.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: She dealt with a literal psychopath someone who.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: Has survived, which is incredible.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: So see what I mean. Though it doesn't seem like
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: he always had the intention of killing. It may be
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: just the scenario of wanting to be in that position.
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: And not be caught too.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, But then sometimes to not get caught he has
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: to pull that trigger, right, And then I'm sure later
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: on it leads down to the road where he wants
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: to pull the trigger.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because at the beginning you said hunting was
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: no longer hunting animals was no longer or satisfying for him.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, that wasn't him, That was a that's a fictional book.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: Oh shit, okay, as well, No, that's not him.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: That's a fictional book. That's called the most dangerous game.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: Oh shit, okay, no, that's just kind of something that
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: people usually think is kind of similar sort of thing.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, I see, I see nowhere to go.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: I lost my spot? Okay, okay. So now there is
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: another case that was strikingly similar to Jane's. On December
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: twenty second, around nine pm, a young woman who we
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: will call Mary was last seen now a few days later,
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: she was found by some local hunters with her hands
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: bound with leather shoelaces.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: Behind her back running away.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: She was found nude and frozen in the snow. Oh dead,
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: with a large lascerace across her chest. She was found
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: to be sexually assaulted as well, and it is assumed
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: that she was forced to run like Jane was told to.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: Oh, for some reason, he just envisioned that the hunters
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: found her alive.
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: Nope, brutal.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: So when she was told to run, it's presumed that
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: she did, and she hidden the snow without any protection from.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: The elements, right, which would kill you.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: She sat in the snow in terror, hiding from her assailant,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: and there she died of hypotheria.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: Dang, yeah, you really don't have much of a chance.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: Because it's December, it's in Alaska, like holy shit, yep.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: So if he don't get you, the freaking elements are
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: going to.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: So now, all the while this is going on, Robert's
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: getting away with what he had done. Jane, however, saw
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: the news about this recent attack and decided that she
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: was going to go to authorities to tell them what
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: had happened to her. She wanted to prevent it from
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: happening to anyone else because she was almost certain that
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: it was She was certain, yeah, it was the same.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: Man, because he's going to keep doing this.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So with Robert's mugshot from the assault on Susie
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: earlier on when he followed her to her apartment, they
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: have a mugshot because remember there's still a court dating everything.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: He has a file right right. He was quickly identified
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: and picked up by police. Now the problem here, though,
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: is in court it came down to Robert versus Jane,
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: a stand up citizen according to his friends, against a
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: sex worker, but then.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: Also Susie too. Or do they not realize this? Yeah,
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: they're realizing this is the same person.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, Well we'll get into that, okay. Now, as
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: part of a plea bargain, he plead guilty to his
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: assault on Susie and the charges against Jane and Mary
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: will be dropped.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: Oh no, yes, wow. No.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: He was sentenced to five years in prison and served
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: only six months of his sentence after getting clearance from
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: his psychiatrists, after being a model prisoner.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: Five months when he was supposed to get six.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: Years, six months when he's supposed to get come month.
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: That's freaking nuts.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: Now, clearly he had no problem manipulating the prison system
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: and his psychiatrist once again.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: He was then transferred to a halfway house, where again
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: he did the same manipulation and was quickly released from
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: there as a free man.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: This is like just a total story of someone fall
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: into the cracks, ain't.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, time and time again. But it's not falling through
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: the cracks. It's him weazling his way through the cracks.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: He did a very and I hate to say it,
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: but he did a very good job of manipulating the
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: individuals he came across to get his way.
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: I'm very agitated right now. That's not playing with something
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: with the cord here, because I'm like this mofol.
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: Holy heck, you're good.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm good. I actually sometimes admire people that are
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: so good at like talking their way through.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: Shit, right, it's terrifying what they're capable of.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because it's like I'm just the opposite of that.
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: I feel like if I would probably be stop for
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: something and people think I'm a murderer and I'm not,
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: and I would all of a sudden be a.
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: Murderer, It's like, it's like the opposite. I'm the opposite.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: It's like one of those cases where you get pulled
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: over by police and it's like, all of a sudden,
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: do you think that you might have bricks of cocaine
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: in your trunk?
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: You don't know, like, oh my god, sure, actually, yeah,
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: I think it.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: Might have drugs. Am I smuggling cocaine? Like literally that's
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: how I am.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: I just thought like, oh, so basically the total opposite
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: of this dude.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty much this douche Canoe, let's put it that way.
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: Totally.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: So as he was a freeman, now, Robert lived as
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: a model citizen for a while to build up his reputation.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: He didn't really go to the red light district. He
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: didn't really do anything. He just kind of manipulated those
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: around him in the real world too. But in nineteen
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: seventy three, his wife took a trip with their kids
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: to go through their parents and left Robert alone. Robert
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: began what he would refer to later as being a
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: serial rapist. He was frequently picking up sex workers in
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: his car and taking them away. Women began to go missing,
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: and even though reports were coming in of missing and
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: raped women, the police didn't take it very seriously. Well,
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: it's a problem that we're literally still struggling with today
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: in society. Like sex workers work in a very dangerous
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: field because it's well, let's be honest, it's unregulated, and
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: often they deal with very unsavory characters, and some of
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: them being unsavory characters themselves. But as the stigma around
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: the industry leaves them in less than credible sources in
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: the authorities eyes, you know, not saying that authorities don't
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: really care that they don't go or care that they
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: go missing, mind you, I don't want to say that,
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: but they are more apt to think that they may
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: be like running away from the lifestyle, or they're on
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: a binge due to potential addictions or other reasons. So
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: the thought of them actually being missing versus just like
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: unreachable or runaways or something is a very real possibility
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: in their minds.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well they may not have like frequent contact with
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: loved ones really, right, so even if they do go missing,
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: they could be missing for a while before anyone really knows.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So not that it's an excuse, but that's kind
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: of what's going across their mind. It's like, are they missing,
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: We don't even fucking know. That's kind of what they're talking,
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: what they're doing. And because of that, a lot of
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: these reports weren't being taken seriously, which they should have been.
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: So these reports came in from some of these women
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: that they were just getting brushed off. Now, of course,
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: these are just the cases that did get reported. Whether
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: it was intimidation from Robert when he brought them back
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: in saying you know, I'm going to kill you, gonna
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: kill your family Jane like he did to Jane, Whether
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: it was intimidation factors, or the police just wouldn't believe them.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: I'm sure that many of the cases went unreported.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: Probably, Yeah, and Jane's family ended up being fine.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: Hey, yes, actually Jane's family. I wasn't going to cover
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: this too much. But I might as well talk about
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: it now since you bring it up. Jane's father was
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: actually on the police force.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: Oh wow, Okay, but.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: They didn't want to bring it forward because they were
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: terrified for the safety of their family and also the
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: idea of one of the police officer's daughters being a prostitute.
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: What would happen to her and what would happen to him?
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: So when they actually did come forward, it was quite
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: a big deal, not only for her but the family
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: as well, like, Okay, this is my daughter who went
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: through this, and like we couldn't handle it, and we're
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: reporting it and Jesus sex worker. So it was actually
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: quite a big deal for the family to go through that. Okay, Okay,
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: So to carry on, we're gonna take this into a
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: part two. Oh and I'm sorry to do that to you,
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: but this is just so much information on this this
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: freaking and there's a lot more to come. So we'll
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: give me a couple of days for you guys to
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: steal on and later on this week we'll be dropping
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: part two of this fucking asshole. Yeah, and don't forget
• 54:50
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• 55:14
  Speaker 2: well and tell I don't know how long are you
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: making them? Wait?
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe you go Thursday or so or so.
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: Wow, maybe it'll be secretive. Holy heck, you know what,
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: Just pay just pay attention.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: We'll drop it before the weekend. How's that boom? All right?
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: And until the weekend, until the next episode.
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: We'll see you later, and of course stay wicked.