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Bonus Episode: POV in Storytelling, 1970s Actors, and Sarah Vaughan vs. Ella Fitzgerald · DISGRACELAND

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Speaker 1: Hey, discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life,
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Speaker 1: just to touch to get you through.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after
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Speaker 2: the podcast.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland
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Speaker 1: bonus episode, a.
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Speaker 2: Little thing we like to call the after party.
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Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after
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Speaker 1: the party, the bridge to get you from one full
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Speaker 1: episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard to dig
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Speaker 1: into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we are talking
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Speaker 1: about incredible jazz artists. We're also talking about dumb questions
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Speaker 1: from smart people and al Pacino, and the greatest actors
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Speaker 1: from the greatest decade in filmmaking, the nineteen seventies, and
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Speaker 1: of course your voicemails, your texts and more, and as always,
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Speaker 1: a whole lot of rosy. All right, this goes, Let's
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Speaker 1: get into it, all right, guys, Welcome into the show
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Speaker 1: this week. I'm pumped to be here talking to you.
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Speaker 1: I'm on vacation, I'm recording in an undisclosed location on
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Speaker 1: a spooky lake up in the wilds of New England,
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Speaker 1: and I am in a basement right now, an empty
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Speaker 1: dark room looks like somewhere you would stow away a kidnapper.
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Speaker 1: If the recording sounds a little boomy, that is because
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Speaker 1: I'm recording in this non studio environment. But I wanted
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Speaker 1: to get you guys this after party episode this week,
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Speaker 1: So here you go.
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Speaker 2: I hope you can bear with me.
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Speaker 3: Listen.
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Speaker 1: When I was in my second year of college at
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Speaker 1: Northeastern University, I took a class called a Survey of
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Speaker 1: African American Music. It was a great class, covered everything
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Speaker 1: from field houllers and slave chants from the seventeen hundreds.
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Speaker 2: All the way up to modern day hip hop.
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Speaker 1: Our professor, he was a jazz guy, though I think
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Speaker 1: he played with Alice Coltrane at some point. I'm not sure.
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Speaker 1: Even so, I didn't understand at the time how cool
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Speaker 1: that was. Then I now do, of course. I also
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Speaker 1: remember our professor was friends with Max Roach, the great
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Speaker 1: jazz drummer, and he even had Max come speak to
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Speaker 1: the class. And that type of coolness I understood immediately.
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Speaker 1: Professor Brown, that was our teacher. He was reasonable, he
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Speaker 1: was thoughtful, he was measured, if not a bit dramatic.
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Speaker 1: The first day of class, I remember he grabbed the
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Speaker 1: best looking, most athletic looking white boy in the class
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Speaker 1: in the classroom and made him stand up on his desk,
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Speaker 1: and then the professor proceeded to reenact in eighteenth century
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Speaker 1: slave auction, using the kid as the student as a prop.
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Speaker 1: It was heavy, and the white boy handled it well,
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Speaker 1: and I remember being impressed with both professor and the kid.
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Speaker 2: Professor Brown was.
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Speaker 1: A weird cat, but he had great tastes, especially in
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Speaker 1: jazz music, from Dixieland to standards, to bebop to harbop
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Speaker 1: to Afro Cuban diffusion, whatever the style. Professor Brown had
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Speaker 1: a great way of explaining the evolution of jazz from
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Speaker 1: genre to genre in human terms objectively. Now my tastes,
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Speaker 1: along of course with some of my classmates, expanded rapidly
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Speaker 1: because of this class, and so did my understanding of
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Speaker 1: America's first artistic contribution to the world, jazz music. I
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Speaker 1: still love jazz music, of course, and I'm still trying
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Speaker 1: to understand it. Not in technical terms, I've never cared
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Speaker 1: much for that. That's not my thing, but in human terms,
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Speaker 1: and that's what our Miles Davis and Billie Holliday and
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Speaker 1: Chet Baker and Sonny Rollins episodes are about. They're about
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Speaker 1: me trying to understand the men and the women who
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Speaker 1: made this incredibly unique and incredibly inspiring music. They quite
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Speaker 1: literally dedicated their lives to and for most died in
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Speaker 1: the pursuit of their creations. Was Miles Davis. The best
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Speaker 1: trumpet player to ever work in the genre. Was Billie Holiday,
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Speaker 1: the best vocalist, the best female jazz vocalist. I can
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Speaker 1: certainly make a case for both. I can't for Chet Paker,
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Speaker 1: by the way, as a trumpet player, but as a singer.
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Speaker 1: Perhaps I'm still learning about Sunny Rollins even after releasing
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Speaker 1: our episode on him. These questions of who is the best? Uh,
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Speaker 1: they're silly, but they're useful. There is, of course, no
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Speaker 1: right answer, no wrong answer, but these questions prompt discovery,
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Speaker 1: and that's what me doing this podcast is all about,
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Speaker 1: for all of us, for you and for me.
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Speaker 2: You know, be it the U.
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Speaker 1: The Johnny Cash Real we released this week on Instagram
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Speaker 1: about Johnny Cash being literally the first American to learn
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Speaker 1: of Joseph Stalin's death. That's a big revelation for a
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Speaker 1: lot of people. They didn't know that. My wife even
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Speaker 1: was like, are you sure this is true? I'm like,
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Speaker 1: I'm sure it's true, look it up. It's it's a fact.
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Speaker 1: And that's you know, discovering these these facts, these these
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Speaker 1: uote unquote holy shit moments that happened in music history
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Speaker 1: or in the history of entertainment. It's just as much
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Speaker 1: discovery for me as it is for you guys. And
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Speaker 1: these questions that we ask in the after party, they're
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Speaker 1: also about discovery.
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Speaker 2: They're meant to prompt discovery.
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Speaker 1: I asked this question to you guys last week here
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Speaker 1: in the after party and on social media, of who
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Speaker 1: the greatest singer of the twenty first century is, not
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Speaker 1: because I'm interested in proving my take to be right.
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Speaker 2: I could give a shit about that Amy Winehouse.
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Speaker 1: You may recall, is my answer to that question, by
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Speaker 1: the way, and again, twenty first century, not the twentieth century.
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Speaker 1: A lot of people got that mixed up. I was
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Speaker 1: specifically talking about the last twenty four years. But I
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Speaker 1: asked these questions in part because I want to learn
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Speaker 1: more about these other artists who would not be my choice.
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Speaker 1: I'm soliciting education in a way. I want to get
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Speaker 1: you guys to teach me about the artists and the
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Speaker 1: entertainers that you love and I want to know why
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Speaker 1: you love them, because that's going to provide me with
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Speaker 1: an on ramp to get me into other.
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Speaker 2: Music, other films, etc.
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Speaker 1: So because of you, guys, I will be listening to
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Speaker 1: Pink in a Dell with fresh ears, something that wouldn't
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Speaker 1: have happened had this question not come up, and had
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Speaker 1: you guys not so passionately responded.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 1: Back in that survey of African American music at Northeastern University,
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Speaker 1: I remember we had a big exam. It was a
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Speaker 1: midterm or a final, I can't remember which, and our
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Speaker 1: professor told us that there would be only three questions
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Speaker 1: on the exam, and I don't remember necessarily what the
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Speaker 1: first two questions were exactly, but the answers were somewhat
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Speaker 1: subjective answers where we had to demonstrate in an essay
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Speaker 1: or an essays broad understanding of the music that we
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Speaker 1: learned in the course, along with some indication of how
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Speaker 1: our tastes had evolved. The answer to the last question, however,
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Speaker 1: was also subjective, but only from the professor's point of view.
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Speaker 1: He told us that the final question on the exam
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Speaker 1: would be who is the greatest singer in the history
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Speaker 1: of music, and that there could only be one answer
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Speaker 1: to the question of who the greatest singer in the
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Speaker 1: history of music was, and that that answer was Sarah
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Speaker 1: vaugh Now. He also said that if we got cute
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Speaker 1: and we try to answer anything else, try to argue
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Speaker 1: anything else, try to argue that maybe it was another
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Speaker 1: singer like Holiday check Baker, perhaps even arguing for other
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Speaker 1: artists that we had learned about in his class, that
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Speaker 1: if we did not answer Sarah Vaughan, that if we
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Speaker 1: did not claim that Sarah Vaughn was the greatest singer
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Speaker 1: in the history of music, we would get the question
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Speaker 1: wrong and lose a third of our exams grade and
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Speaker 1: would be well on our way to failing. I remember
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Speaker 1: thinking that the question and the stubbornness around the quote
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Speaker 1: unquote answer was bold. I liked it, and I'm pretty
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Speaker 1: sure I aced that exam. But the professor was, of
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Speaker 1: course wrong. The answer is, of course Ella Fitzgerald, not
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Speaker 1: Sara Vaughn. You can fight me, Professor Brown. Just listen
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Speaker 1: to side one of Ella singing the Coleporter Songbook and
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Speaker 1: then come talk to me about Saravonn. All right, I'll
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Speaker 1: due respect, but the bummer of that class and that exam,
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Speaker 1: and that weird question is that for as much as
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Speaker 1: we covered in that class, I don't really remember covering
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Speaker 1: Sara Vaughn. I don't really recall being taught any examples
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Speaker 1: of Sara Vaughn's greatness of what songs I should listen
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Speaker 1: to to consider her greatness of what albums I should
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Speaker 1: listen to. The question, as bold as it was and
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Speaker 1: the silly forest answer, didn't prompt any evolution in taste,
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Speaker 1: and that is what I'm hoping to accomplish with the
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Speaker 1: questions that we ask and discuss in and around these
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Speaker 1: bonus episodes. So to the question of who the greatest
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Speaker 1: singer of the twenty first century is, like I said,
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Speaker 1: my answer was Amy Winehouise. And if you want my reasoning,
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Speaker 1: if you want to start somewhere to discover Amy's greatness,
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Speaker 1: then look no further than her second LP, Back to Black.
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Speaker 1: There literally isn't a bad song on it. And in
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Speaker 1: the meantime, checking out some of the recommendations from you
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Speaker 1: guys on who you believe the greatest singer of the
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Speaker 1: twenty first century is. Also later in this episode, I'm
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Speaker 1: going to have some specific follow ups to your answers,
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Speaker 1: but for now I have another question. Next week's full
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Speaker 1: episode of dis Graceland is on al Pacino, and the
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Speaker 1: story is about how al nearly derailed his incredible, one
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Speaker 1: of a kind acting career before it even really got started.
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Speaker 1: So coming into this episode, as I was organizing my thoughts,
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Speaker 1: I was thinking that I could ask something cheeky about
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Speaker 1: like what al Pacino movie could you absolutely not live without?
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Speaker 1: But I don't like that questions. It's hard to even
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Speaker 1: form the question, so that's probably an indication that it's
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Speaker 1: not a good question. I want to get more basic here,
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Speaker 1: because basically, you can argue that al Pacino is the
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Speaker 1: greatest actor from the greatest decade in filmmaking, the nineteen seventies.
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Speaker 1: Now least, if you were to survey my movie watching
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Speaker 1: history over the course of my life, I think that
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Speaker 1: al Pacino movies from the nineteen seventies, The Godfather, one
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Speaker 1: and two, Serproco, Dog Day Afternoon, these films are among
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Speaker 1: my most watched, most loved movies. But I want to
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Speaker 1: look at seventies movies through your eyes, so I want
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Speaker 1: to know who do you think is the greatest actor
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Speaker 1: or actress from that decade? From the nineteen seventies and
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Speaker 1: very important. Please tell me which films of theirs that
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Speaker 1: I need to watch, even if it's super obvious and
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Speaker 1: you're going to be like, oh, well, he's definitely seen
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Speaker 1: The Sting, you know, with Robert Redford and Paul Newman,
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Speaker 1: which I have. But if you write me this impassioned
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Speaker 1: answer or leave me a voicemail about why The Sting
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Speaker 1: puts Paul Newman over the top when considering the best
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Speaker 1: actors of the nineteen seventies, I'm not going to watch
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Speaker 1: The Sting with a little bit of your point of view,
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Speaker 1: and that's what I'm looking for, Okay. Which films make
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Speaker 1: you believe that your actor or actress is better than
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Speaker 1: al Pacino in the nineteen seventies, or at least which
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Speaker 1: seventies films your favorite seventies actors keep driving you back
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Speaker 1: to watch over and over again. Who are those actors
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Speaker 1: who are the best? Who is the best? Who is
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Speaker 1: the single best representation of the greatest acting, the most
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Speaker 1: compelling acting in the decade of the nineteen seventies. Is
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Speaker 1: it Robert de Niro? Is it Meryl Streep? Is it
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Speaker 1: Shelley Devall? Is it Robert Redford, Dustin Hoffman, Fade Dunaway,
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Speaker 1: Paul Newman. Which actor or actress owned the seventies for
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Speaker 1: you let me know six one seven nine oh six
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Speaker 1: six six three eight. You can leave me a voicemail
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Speaker 1: with your answer, or you can send me a text
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Speaker 1: with your answer. You can hit me up at the
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Speaker 1: scracelam pod on Instagram, x, Facebook and TikTok.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to take a quick break and.
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Speaker 4: I'll be back in a flash.
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Speaker 1: All right, we are back. I want to dive right
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Speaker 1: into your voicemails here. This is Lauren from the two
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Speaker 1: o eight on the subject of the greatest female singers
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Speaker 1: of the twenty first century.
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Speaker 5: Hey, Jake, this is Lauren from the two eight. I
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Speaker 5: think we're missing Laurence Welch and the greatest female singers
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Speaker 5: from the twenty first century. Listening to her is an
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Speaker 5: absolute spiritual experience, something I really didn't feel since my
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Speaker 5: teen years listening to Tori Amos. She's just incredible, so
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Speaker 5: I think she definitely needs to be added to that list.
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Speaker 3: Love what you do.
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Speaker 5: Keep up the good work.
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Speaker 2: Thanks bye, Lauren, Thanks for the call.
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Speaker 1: Florence Welch is admittedly someone that I don't know that
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Speaker 1: much about, but someone that I am excited to get into.
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Speaker 1: I don't know much about about Florence, but everything I've
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Speaker 1: heard from her just in passing has kind of stopped
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Speaker 1: me and been like, oh, I gotta know more about
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Speaker 1: this artist.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for the prompt. I appreciate it.
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Speaker 1: Uh the five o five on the Jackson's let's hear,
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Speaker 1: Let's hear from the five oh five?
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Speaker 3: Hey, Jake, Nile Style and Santa Fe. You know when
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Speaker 3: one time, a long time ago, you mentioned that you
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Speaker 3: had something that was going to take a whole lot
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Speaker 3: more than one episode, it was going to take a
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Speaker 3: whole series, and I thought, Okay, he's finally gonna do
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Speaker 3: the Jackson family, including the father, I think, but I
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Speaker 3: think it ended up being Wu tang. If you don't
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Speaker 3: talk about Michael much, mar Janet or their dad or
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Speaker 3: any of the other kids. But there's stuff there. We
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Speaker 3: know there's stuff there. Anyway, loving what you do, you
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Speaker 3: have a good, beautiful, beautiful day.
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Speaker 1: Okay, here's the thing. There's there's not a reason really
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Speaker 1: that I have not covered Michael Jackson except actually that's
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Speaker 1: not true. There is a reason I do so much there,
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Speaker 1: and I honestly cannot pick a lane A lane, excuse me,
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Speaker 1: A pointed, A pointed. I have a point of view,
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Speaker 1: but it's changed dramatically from time to time.
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Speaker 2: And I and maybe.
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Speaker 1: Perhaps if I'm being totally honest, if I'm speaking honestly,
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Speaker 1: I'm a little bit intimidated on the subject of Michael Jackson.
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Speaker 1: I think that, uh, I have many conflicting thoughts on
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Speaker 1: Michael in the in the supposed transgressions that surround him.
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Speaker 1: And I've read a lot, I've watched a lot, and
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Speaker 1: I've heard a lot even secondhand. I was excuse me,
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Speaker 1: firsthand from folks, and it's I It's.
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Speaker 2: Just it's just a lot.
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Speaker 1: And I feel like it's the type of subject that
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Speaker 1: could swallow me up for an entire you know, three
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Speaker 1: months trying to figure out the research for. And that's
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Speaker 1: happened to me before. And it's not fun. That happened
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Speaker 1: to be two summers ago. It's Serge Gainsburg. I researched
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Speaker 1: and outlined an entire season on Surge Gainsbury that we
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Speaker 1: were going to produce in voice, and a French actor
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Speaker 1: was going to voice. We're going to release it in France.
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Speaker 1: And I spent all this time on this one artist,
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Speaker 1: and it ate me up. Needless to say that this
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Speaker 1: series never came out. We ended up doing a single
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Speaker 1: episode on Surge, and my point of view on him
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Speaker 1: was completely screwed up from the just the weight of
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Speaker 1: that subject matter.
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Speaker 2: Five oh five.
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Speaker 1: You know you're talking specifically about doing a longer series
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Speaker 1: on the whole family, and yeah, that could be interesting,
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Speaker 1: but I just feel like there's there's so much to
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Speaker 1: bite off with Michael alone that it would be weird
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Speaker 1: for weird to dedicate time to to his brothers and
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Speaker 1: sisters and even his dad.
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Speaker 2: And I know what his dad. I know, I know
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Speaker 2: the stories about his dad.
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Speaker 1: But with Janet, I'm curious what you're talking about other
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Speaker 1: than the nip slip from the super Bowl. I don't
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Speaker 1: really know what, if any transgressions are there regarding Janet Jackson.
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Speaker 2: Of course, now people are going to bombard.
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Speaker 1: Me because uh and uh just fill my inbox with
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Speaker 1: uh shit that Janet Jackson has pulled off in her
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Speaker 1: career and I'm here for it. So let me know
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Speaker 1: and anyone else if you have any interesting takes on
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Speaker 1: how to cover the Jackson Excuse me, how to cover
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Speaker 1: Michael Jackson I'm here for that as well.
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Speaker 2: Five six to two. Let's hear from five six to
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Speaker 2: two and some suggestions.
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Speaker 6: Hey, Jake, then way again stories. Dude, would love to
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Speaker 6: hear something on Jenny Rivera. You know, she has an
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Speaker 6: interesting life. A lot of people don't know.
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Speaker 7: That she even did journalism as well as a singer
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Speaker 7: and all the other stuff. So if you could cover that,
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Speaker 7: that would be really great. Also, Teddy pandographs definitely think
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Speaker 7: would that be an interesting story. We'd love to hear
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Speaker 7: something about Teddy. If you've veray done something, you know,
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Speaker 7: I'll listen if you say that, and I'll look forward. Otherwise, Hey,
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Speaker 7: you have a great day and look forward to Morma.
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Speaker 1: I've literally never heard of Jenny Rivera, so listen five
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Speaker 1: to six to two. I want you to get back
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Speaker 1: in touch, and I want you to give me one
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Speaker 1: song to listen to.
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Speaker 2: Teddy Pedagrass.
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Speaker 1: For sure, there is an episode there, and I'm interested
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Speaker 1: in learning more about Teddy. From the little that I
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Speaker 1: do know, I know that we can get an episode
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Speaker 1: out of that subject, and I'm excited to perhaps try
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Speaker 1: to figure that out. All right, guys, six one seven
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Speaker 1: nine oh six six six three eight, be like the
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Speaker 1: two O eight, the five oh five and the five
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Speaker 1: six two, and hit me up with your voicemails. Can
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Speaker 1: hit me up on anything, can hit me up on
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Speaker 1: the question of the week. We're talking about who the
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Speaker 1: greatest actor is of the nineteen seventies. We want to
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Speaker 1: narrow this down to one. Okay, all right, let's let's
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Speaker 1: do some dms. Okay, JQ dms us on Instagram. That's
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Speaker 1: at disgrace lampod. He says, I agree that Amy Winehouse
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Speaker 1: is the best female artist of the twenty first century.
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Speaker 2: So I would like to give an.
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Speaker 1: Honorable mention to Amelda May from her amazing psyclebilly sound
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Speaker 1: to the soul breaking black tears, she deserves some of
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Speaker 1: your audience's love and appreciation. Ammel de May, you say, JQ,
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Speaker 1: thanks for the DM. Never heard of her, and I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna use I picked your message because the psycle billy
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Speaker 1: genre is one that I am woefully ignorant of, and
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Speaker 1: I don't I can't even I mean, I'm up on
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Speaker 1: garage music. It's just psycobility. There's a you know, rockabilly.
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Speaker 1: I'm up on rockabilly. I just psyclability. It's kind of
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Speaker 1: a void. So hit me up with some recommendations. You
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Speaker 1: can start with hitting me up with some Amelda May
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Speaker 1: When you say soul breaking black tears, is that a
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Speaker 1: song I want to know? JQ, get back at us
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Speaker 1: and let me know. Quincy R Tuggle dms us on
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Speaker 1: Instagram just sends a video of a female singer named
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Speaker 1: Jasmine Sullivan singing her ass off and I've never heard
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Speaker 1: this artist before. Guys, I need more. This is the
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Speaker 1: point I was making in the earlier block. Quincy, get
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Speaker 1: back to me. Let me know where to start. What
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Speaker 1: album do I start with of Jasmine's or what other
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Speaker 1: song besides this live.
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Speaker 2: Clip that you sent me. Jesse rock Mott.
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Speaker 1: I think I'm saying that correctly. Are a C h
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Speaker 1: M A T dms is on Instagram. Adele Adele is
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Speaker 1: just on a different level. I've never been as emotional
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Speaker 1: as I have been with her songs. They are gut wrenching,
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Speaker 1: all right, Jesse, give me the songs. Give me the
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Speaker 1: one Adele song that you cannot live without. If you're
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Speaker 1: going to play one Adele song for one person, that
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Speaker 1: person being me, which Adele song isn't even if it
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Speaker 1: is the most obvious her biggest single, whatever it is,
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Speaker 1: Rolling in the Deep whatever, I want to listen to
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Speaker 1: it through your ears now, Okay, hit me up, Mark
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Speaker 1: our yazigear. I believe I'm saying that, pronouncing that correctly.
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Speaker 1: Mark tags us on X and says, today I learned
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Speaker 1: that Johnny ca, as an Air Force wireless operator, may
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Speaker 1: death via Disgrace slam pod.
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Speaker 2: You are a correct Mark. That is something that I've learned.
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Speaker 1: I learned a couple years ago when I was researching
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Speaker 1: the Johnny Cash episode of Disgraceland, which lives on in
20:16
Speaker 1: our archive, which I encourage you Mark to check out.
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Speaker 1: Keeley Diggelman on Facebook rights Hey Jake, I usually don't respond,
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Speaker 1: as I always think, with Facebook being the least used
20:26
Speaker 1: social it'll probably get to you too late. Anyway, just
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Speaker 1: wanted to weigh in on best female singers. I love
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Speaker 1: music because it makes me feel things, and these women
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Speaker 1: really hit me in the soul and give me shivers. Obviously,
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Speaker 1: Amy Winehouse lovedsince the moment I heard her.
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Speaker 2: But here's the others.
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Speaker 1: Florence Welch from Florence and the machine, any album, any song.
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Speaker 1: I can listen to her all day. Favorite song is
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Speaker 1: dog Days Are Over. Number two Amy Lee from emin Essence,
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Speaker 1: Beautiful Talented Artists. Three and four Sia and Kate Miller
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Speaker 1: Heikey both amazing artists. Number five Billie Eilish. The amount
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Speaker 1: she has grown since starting is wonderful. She is highly talented,
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Speaker 1: from the way she puts her songs together to how
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Speaker 1: she wants her music videos produced. The documentary on her
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Speaker 1: is great. A few of her songs bring so much
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Speaker 1: emotion out in me that I find tears welling up.
21:12
Speaker 1: This is fantastic. This is a great message. I appreciate Achille.
21:16
Speaker 1: I'm gonna dig into these recommendations. Guys, hit me up
21:20
Speaker 1: at Disgrace lampod. You can hit me up on the
21:23
Speaker 1: questions of the week that we're asking, even if they're old.
21:26
Speaker 1: You're still giving me fodder to reevaluate my listening taste
21:30
Speaker 1: with and I appreciate that. But also, we got this
21:32
Speaker 1: question of the week that we're going to be discussing
21:33
Speaker 1: in next week's after party, and that question, of course,
21:37
Speaker 1: is who is the greatest actor from the greatest decade
21:39
Speaker 1: in filmmaking, the nineteen seventies. Let us know now, we
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Speaker 1: dropped some new merch couple about a month ago. We
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Speaker 1: did the Disgraceland just straight up white logo on a
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22:01
Speaker 1: We got some pins as well. Grab those. One of
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22:07
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, we're in it. We're doing it,
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22:23
Speaker 2: We have all this.
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Speaker 1: Incredible episode art for every episode of Disgrace Lam over
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Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy episodes, there's one hundred and seventy
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Speaker 1: pieces of art or something like that, and from Avispibick,
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Speaker 1: who's fantastic. So we've been laboring for the last couple
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Speaker 1: of months to just use this art to create different
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Speaker 1: I don't know, Amy Winehouse episode of Disgrace, Sandy, you
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Speaker 1: be engaged with the merch side of things, just like
23:13
Speaker 1: I wasn't the beginning of Disgrace Sland, and we did
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Speaker 1: this thing way back in the day where we would
23:17
Speaker 1: it was it was a cool way for me to
23:19
Speaker 1: engage directly with you guys.
23:21
Speaker 2: You guys would leave reviews on.
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Speaker 1: Apple podcasts, and I'd pick a reviewer every every month
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Speaker 1: or sorry, every week. You also leave, you know, shout
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Speaker 1: us out on social media and tag us at Disgrace
23:32
Speaker 1: lampod about an episode that we were into, and then
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Speaker 1: I'd send you some free merch as a thank you.
23:38
Speaker 1: I now, listen, this isn't for everybody. This is just
23:40
Speaker 1: you know, I pick pick a couple listeners every week
23:44
Speaker 1: and pick you out of a hat, and it's like, yo, hey,
23:48
Speaker 1: just a little thank you, I'm gonna send you something cool.
23:51
Speaker 1: So that's what we're gonna keep doing here. We're gonna
23:53
Speaker 1: continue doing that. We're gonna do it with more regularity.
23:56
Speaker 1: And when I come back after the break, I'm going
23:59
Speaker 1: to talk about a couple of you listeners who have
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Speaker 1: recently reviewed the show. And if you hear your name,
24:06
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Speaker 8: All right, back in a flash.
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Speaker 1: Okay, we are back, and as promised, some reviews here.
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Speaker 1: On Apple, podcast listener Andy Girl That's three L's writes,
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Speaker 1: I love, love love this podcast. Familiar, fascinating stories told
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Speaker 1: with insight and details I've not heard anywhere else.
24:38
Speaker 2: I'm addicted.
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Speaker 1: So listen, Andy Girl, thank you first and foremost, get
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Speaker 1: in touch, and we've got some merch that we want
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: Sunbury also writes on Apple madly entertaining Jake is a
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Speaker 1: wonderful storyteller.
24:53
Speaker 2: Thank you.
24:54
Speaker 1: Sunburry goes on to say, I've learned so much about
24:57
Speaker 1: artists and actors that I thought I knew. This is
24:59
Speaker 1: my go to podcasts to work out to or to
25:02
Speaker 1: go walking to buy far Sunbury. If you hear your name,
25:06
Speaker 1: and I hope you do. I hope you're on your
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Speaker 1: walk right now. You're hearing your name and you're getting pumped.
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Speaker 1: Get in touch. Hit us up at Disgrace lamp Pod,
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Speaker 1: Disgrace lamppod at gmail dot com. Same for you, Andy girl,
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Speaker 1: Get in touch and we've got some merche for you.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm not gonna sit here.
25:21
Speaker 1: And read a bunch of reviews to you guys about
25:23
Speaker 1: the show more than what I've just done, trying to,
25:26
Speaker 1: you know, be a little humble here. But one of
25:29
Speaker 1: the things that I've come across in these reviews over
25:31
Speaker 1: and over again, and it really warms my heart is
25:34
Speaker 1: the mention of point.
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Speaker 2: Of view and how we have our own point of
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Speaker 2: view and listen. Sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad.
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Speaker 1: Sometimes you're gonna agree with my point of view into storytelling,
25:44
Speaker 1: and sometimes you're not going to agree with it. But
25:46
Speaker 1: it is compelling one way or another. And I have
25:49
Speaker 1: found this thing to this recent phenomenon in content creation
25:57
Speaker 1: that is happening, and it is widespread, and it is
26:03
Speaker 1: this There is a style of storytelling that is everywhere
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Speaker 1: on Instagram, on TikTok, on especially on YouTube, that is
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Speaker 1: completely devoid of point of view. It is the opposite
26:19
Speaker 1: of what we do, and it is massive. And I
26:25
Speaker 1: actually saw a content creator I won't name them, have
26:30
Speaker 1: pretty much have a the equivalent of it was nearly
26:34
Speaker 1: a nervous breakdown in public over the comments and reviews
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Speaker 1: that he was receiving based on his opinions in his
26:43
Speaker 1: point of view. And I'm not making fun of this person.
26:47
Speaker 1: In fact, I have a lot of empathy for this person.
26:49
Speaker 1: I felt really bad for this person. The person has
26:50
Speaker 1: a ton of followers too, and this is their livelihood
26:55
Speaker 1: like it is mine.
26:57
Speaker 2: And basically their solution was to a b and in point.
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Speaker 1: Of view and to just present facts as they are,
27:04
Speaker 1: just present the story as it is. And that's certainly
27:07
Speaker 1: a choice, and that is a choice that I'm not
27:09
Speaker 1: going to knock anyone for taking. It's not the choice
27:13
Speaker 1: I would make because it's not interesting to me. It's
27:15
Speaker 1: not interesting for me to create, it's not interesting for
27:18
Speaker 1: me to consume. All great storytelling, in my opinion, comes
27:24
Speaker 1: from incredible point of view, and that goes from anything
27:28
Speaker 1: from a sixty second reel on Instagram from a content
27:31
Speaker 1: creator that you've never heard of. To Martin Scorsese's Last
27:35
Speaker 1: Temptation of Christ. Okay, it's just point of view is
27:38
Speaker 1: what is going to make the storytelling. But we live
27:41
Speaker 1: in a world now where algorithms drive distribution, they drive discovery,
27:48
Speaker 1: they drive people hearing and learning about the content that
27:53
Speaker 1: you are creating. So if you are, let's say, sitting
27:57
Speaker 1: on a fence as a content creator, if you are,
28:00
Speaker 1: if you're just like, here are the facts, this is
28:02
Speaker 1: the thing that happened. These are the facts that we know,
28:05
Speaker 1: and you walk away from it, leave everything on the table.
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Speaker 1: There is a massive audience that is going to gravitate
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Speaker 1: towards you. There is a massive audience that is going
28:15
Speaker 1: to accept what you're giving them, take it, digest it,
28:20
Speaker 1: and move on. And that's fine. But again that is
28:23
Speaker 1: not interesting to me. Okay, And like I said, the
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Speaker 1: algorithms reward that type of content creation because it is
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Speaker 1: safe and because it is.
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Speaker 2: Going to appeal to more people. Therefore they will promote
28:38
Speaker 2: it more.
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Speaker 1: Now, the only way that point of view storytelling survives
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Speaker 1: on these algorithms is because of you guys, Because you
28:48
Speaker 1: guys share it, because you guys go Yo, this might
28:52
Speaker 1: not be for everybody, but I fucking love it. And
28:55
Speaker 1: I'm going to screenshot this podcast and I'm going to
28:58
Speaker 1: put it in my story on Instagram. Or Yo, I'm
29:00
Speaker 1: going to sit at the bar on Saturday night next
29:04
Speaker 1: to my drunk uncle who thinks he knows everything about
29:07
Speaker 1: fucking music, and I'm going to school him on some
29:09
Speaker 1: shit because he has no idea what I just learned.
29:11
Speaker 2: About in Disgraceland. Or hey, I just I'm going for
29:15
Speaker 2: a walk with my wife.
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Speaker 1: I want to talk about something interesting that I just
29:18
Speaker 1: found out about, and you talk about what we're creating
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Speaker 1: here because the point of view compels you.
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Speaker 2: It's not just here's the facts, ma'am. You know what
29:26
Speaker 2: I'm saying.
29:27
Speaker 1: Anyways, all I'm saying, I guess is I'm going to
29:30
Speaker 1: keep doing what I'm doing, but I need you guys
29:34
Speaker 1: to keep doing it. And I appreciate all of the love,
29:38
Speaker 1: all of the organic promotion that you guys do for
29:40
Speaker 1: this show. It means everything to us. Okay, thank you,
29:44
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. So on point of view and storytelling.
29:49
Speaker 1: I'm going to take a quick break and then when
29:52
Speaker 1: I come back and we get into the all access portion,
29:54
Speaker 1: of the show. I'm going to talk about the book
29:57
Speaker 1: that I'm reading right now, which is The Exorcist. Reading
30:00
Speaker 1: that because, like I said, I'm staying on a spooky lake,
30:02
Speaker 1: but we have an Exorcist episode that's coming out in October.
30:05
Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about that storytelling because it's fucking great.
30:09
Speaker 1: If you guys want in on the all access version
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30:15
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30:19
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30:56
Speaker 2: All right, welcome back. I'm about to get out of here.
30:58
Speaker 1: But before I do, before next week's Al Pacino episode,
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Speaker 1: get pumped. Okay, go watch The Godfather one and two. Okay,
31:05
Speaker 1: watch Cirproco, Watch Dog Day Afternoon, watch.
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Speaker 2: Heat How good is Heat.
31:09
Speaker 1: By the way, we don't talk about Heat enough as
31:11
Speaker 1: a society, and we do, you and I, but I
31:15
Speaker 1: just feel like it doesn't get mentioned as the great movie.
31:18
Speaker 1: It's not up there on the Mount Rushmore.
31:19
Speaker 2: It should be.
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Speaker 1: Who's read the new Heat book? I heard it's amazing.
31:23
Speaker 1: I have not read it. I'll probably move on to
31:25
Speaker 1: that after I finished this Exorcist. Okay, so yeah, if
31:29
Speaker 1: you've read it, let me know, get in touch. In
31:31
Speaker 1: the meantime, let's recap Shallow number one. There's more after
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Speaker 1: party to listen to right now. All you got to
31:36
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Speaker 1: link to become a member. Number two right now in
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Speaker 1: your feed. Last week's brand new episode on Donnie Hathaway
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Speaker 1: number three coming tomorrow, a special rewind episode from our archive.
31:46
Speaker 1: We're talking to al Pacino, like I said, next week,
31:49
Speaker 1: and I'm already in a heavy, heavy seventies state of
31:51
Speaker 1: mind over And if you want more of that seventies vibe,
31:54
Speaker 1: more of that seventies New York vibe, we got you
31:56
Speaker 1: covered in the archive and the disgrace Land archive with
31:58
Speaker 1: the episodes on Blondie Mones, New York Dolls. Recent episode
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Speaker 1: on Talking Heads, of course, which we were just talking about.
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Speaker 2: Get into him this weekend.
32:05
Speaker 1: Get hyped for the prints of the seventies al Pacino.
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Speaker 2: Number four.
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Speaker 1: I want to know is al Pacino the greatest actor
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Speaker 1: of the nineteen seventies. Let me know who you think
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Speaker 1: is six one seven nine oh six six six three eight,
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Speaker 1: Call me on the telephone, leave mea voicemail, or text me.
32:20
Speaker 2: Hit me up at Disgrace Lampod on the Socials. Number five.
32:23
Speaker 2: Remember no one cares about great storytelling more than you do.
32:25
Speaker 2: And well that's just a disgrace, all right.
32:27
Speaker 1: In honor of al Pacino's first Oscar win for Best
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Speaker 1: Supporting Actor in The Godfather. Going back to March twenty seventh,
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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy three, I give to you the Billboard charts.
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Speaker 2: From that week.
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Speaker 1: Number one, Love Train the OJS last week three, peak
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Speaker 1: position one weeks on chart ten. Number two Killing Me
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Speaker 1: Softly with his song ROBERTA. Flack last week one, peak
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Speaker 1: position one weeks.
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Speaker 2: On chart number three.
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Speaker 1: Also sprat Zarathustra two thousand and one, Theodado last week four,
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Speaker 1: peak position three weeks on Charine last number three, number four.
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Speaker 1: Neither one of us Gladys Knight and The Pins.
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Speaker 2: Theode last last.
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Speaker 1: Week killing Me Speak position with his four weeks on chart,
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Speaker 1: weeks on the last ten number five peak position song
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Speaker 1: one at either mad on chart, last week's Night five
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Speaker 1: number three position, three weeks on shows number
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Speaker 2: Six, Quit talking and start mixing could