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Two advancements in men's health | HBR Talk 289 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Hello, and welcome to HBr Talk two eighty nine, two Advancements in Men's
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  Health. I'm your host Hannah Wallen here with nonsense annihilator Lauren Brooks, and
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  we are taking a break tonight from the toxic flood for some good news.
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  the page. All right, So, with all of that out of the
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  way, that's the easy stuff to treat. We got two articles tonight that
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  I found the other day when I was looking for something, you know,
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  sort of sort of a palette cleanser in regard to all of the shit we've
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  been looking at that Michael Flood had to say, and this is actually really
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  great news. There have been and it looks like in the past year or
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  so two breakthroughs in treatment for prostate cancer, which you know, prostate cancer
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  doesn't get anywhere near the funding that things like breast cancer, lung cancer,
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  colon cancer, those things are more heavily funded because people are more scared of
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  them. People don't understand how dangerous that prostate cancer can be. And so
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  the first one that we're gonna look at here, this one is from this
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  is from the Sun, the US Sun, and it's actually an article about
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  a treatment that is available now on NHS. But this is a newer treatment
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  and it is a treatment that's available for if you find the cancer earlier.
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  And so I'm going to start with that article. The title is break through
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  prostate cancer Treatment that destroys tumors is now available on NHS. And the neat
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  thing about this one is it's it's not chemotherapy and it's not the type of
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  radiation that burns you that that people are used to, you know, you
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  burn the tumors out. This is this is different. So a breakthrough treatment
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  for prostate cancer is being rolled to NHS clinics across the country. High intensity
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  ultrasound focused ultrasound, so it's UH. The initials are h I f U,
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  so it's high cancer but uses frequency sound waves to destroy tumors with much
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  milder side effects than traditional therapies for more advanced cancers. I've heard of the
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  use of this type of treatment for other things. I have family members that
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  have they a predisposition toward kidney stones, and the predisposition toward kidney stones leads
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  you to get some that are not going to go through the urethra unless they're
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  broken up and made smaller. And so what they do is they put you
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  in a hot tub and they direct high frequency or high intensity focused ultrasound at
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  the kidney stone and it breaks it. It makes it shatter and become much
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  smaller pieces that will actually fit through the your ethra. So it's interesting to
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  see them using this on tumors because it indicates that this will do something similar.
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  It probably causes the cells to self destruct in the tumor, so it
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  kills it and then your body can just take care of it from there because
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  your immune system and your intocrine system will clean it out. But I was
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  amazed when I saw this because I thought, well, this is this is
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  great. If the tumors are not you know, all over the body and
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  everything, and they're just focusing on one area, that helps to get rid
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  of of what's in that one area and then it's taken care of before it
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  has a chance to spread. And yeah, gen bottle, it is kind
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  of kind of like glass particles when you pee, but kidney stones are always
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  like that, and if they pulverize it like that with sound waves, they
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  the way they break off it pretty much. It's it's kind of like when
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  you pulverize stones in one of those little tumblers, so it's they're not going
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  to be as rough as kidney stones that formed that size can be. Those
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  usually do have sharp edges. I just can't even imagine the pain of having
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  to pass something like that. I mean, they say it's similar to childbirth,
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  but you know, I wouldn't know. But well, it's wits wood
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  thing that that nobody can argue that it's not worse for men than it is
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  for women because men have a longer urethra, so it goes, it has
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  more space to travel through to get out. But it's yeah, I've heard
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  that it's really bad. And you know, like Jen Bottle says, drink
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  lots of water because at least that'll push him out faster. Yeah, but
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  yeah, I I fortunately haven't had to go through that yet. Depends on
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  it all depends on my motherfucker gene. Don't see I got to say yet,
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  it's like you have a genetic predisposition to bad kidneys. But yeah,
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  whoever wrote the program for my body was like, well, this isn't going
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  to be needed for very long, so he's not sticking around. So and
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  I pulled you huh. I'm still I'm telling you man, life he's trying,
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  but you are winning. Yeah, I'm stubborn. I am a stubborn
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  ass. So there you go. Ask anybody who's argued with me on Twitter.
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  So in this in this article, it says patients can be treated in
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  one day and return to normal activities within two weeks, but enjoy similar success
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  rates to more invasive procedures. Previously, hi Fu has only been available in
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  the UK at specialist centers in London and surrounding areas, but cancer charity PROST
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  eight that's p r O s T Number eight, has worked to make it
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  available nationwide. So now even if you're not you know, like rich Or
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  or in a specific area where it's easy to get to a particular area,
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  even if you're not approved to go to a specialist and you can just go,
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  you know, to regular treatment centers, you still can't get this treatment.
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  So it's available to every guy now and not just some. It comes
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  as the charity claims men with lower grade cancers are often overtreated for prostate cancer
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  and are not routinely offered this less invasive procedure, which again this is partly
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  this is about side effects because if you get treated with chemotherapy that's poison,
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  and that's that's that's going to cause things like hair loss, it's going to
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  cause things like damage to other parts of the body. It definitely causes kidney
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  damage, which kidneys don't get better after they've been damaged unless you know there's
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  a there's there's some recovery that you can have. But if you do severe
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  damage to your kidneys, you're always going to have kidney problems after that for
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  the rest of your life. And you know, so if you make your
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  body process poison, then you're definitely going to have health problems from that for
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  the rest of your life. So it's something you know, it's it's worth
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  doing if you're going to die if you don't do it, But if it's
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  it's it's just a choice between doing it or doing something else that will be
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  effective that maybe you just didn't have access to and now you do. It's
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  it's a great advancement to have this become widely available. Uh. And then
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  you know the other option being radiation again, like that's that's a high risk.
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  That's a poison in and of itself, and it does its own types
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  of damage, like you're burning the the tumors out instead of breaking them up.
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  Yeah. So the the first unit out outside of the Capitol is opening
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  at Royal United Hospitals, Bath and what is hailed as a milestone for prostate
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  cancer in Britain. And hopefully this will spread the people in the United States
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  will figure out that hey, this works. We want to make this widely
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  available. Prostate is working on opening further treatment centers at the Queen Elizabeth Hospital,
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  at King's Lynn, the Royal Liverpool Hospital, University Hospital and Victoria Hospital.
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  And I'm assuming this is Fife. Yeah, because it's not the instrument
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  I hope Scotland. Do you believe are the closest to a scott we have
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  is here? But he's muted, but yeah, I mean, oh,
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  there he goes, but he's low. I can barely hear. I can
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  barely hear. Are you in here, Mike? I am, I'm on
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  a different Okay, let me see if I can fix the volume because you're
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  really low. Try get yeah, your volumes all the way up for me
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  already. Try getting into your settings and yeah voice and video and see if
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  that'll go. If that'll bring it up. And I am going to change
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  screens to put you in the screen here there we go, Mike pops in.
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  If I'm not low, then oh gosh, that's really low. Maybe
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  you're having the same problem. I was having my computer for the discord,
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  just for the discord, not for obs. For some reason, my computer
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  decided that it was not going to use my microphone, and it decided it
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  was going to use its microphone because it's an asshole. Okay, how about
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  now, Oh that's way better you Yes, I have volume, all right,
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  you wouldn't technical difficulties. I'm having Half of my electronic devices aren't charging,
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  and that includes the charger, includes my phone, includes my other phone.
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  You don't. You don't know. Let's get on with the Well,
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  one thing I do know. When we traveled to the UK, the the
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  whole outlet system is different, so you have to have an adapter and uh
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  and then on top of that, you know, it's the plugs are different,
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  so the the adapter has to be you have to be able to plug
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  into the adapter and then plug out, you know, into the electrical system.
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  And if the adapter has anything wrong with it. From going through the
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  flight hot and cold and bouncing around inside the luggage compartment and getting taught all
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  over the place by the people that are dealing with the luggage. Then then
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  you're you're kind of screwed to the Yeah, that's enough of the technical difficulties.
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  The audience don't want to hear about this. That's that's okay. I
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  will I will say I got to the point where I started buying them at
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  the airport because of that. But in any case, so we were at
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  Yeah, they're the the various treatment services or centers they're opening, and the
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  the r u H Bath deployment is co funded by Prostate and the UK focused
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  Ultrasound Foundation UH and underscores a collective commitment to advancing prostate cancer care and redefining
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  the treatment landscape across the UK. So for once, they're actually focused on
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  men's health. For once, they're actually doing what they should be doing for
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  men, you know, like it's instead of being like, oh, we're
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  gonna spend all our money on women, Oh we're gonna we're gonna uh make
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  this you know, available only in one place, they're actually making it to
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  where men can actually get to the places where they need to be in order
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  to receive these services. Philip Key Voltaire, I just want to I mean
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  you know, because we hear the horror stories about the NHS, and you
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  know, yeah, I love this. It sounds great, But you know,
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  are are men gonna actually be able to get to a doctor in time?
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  Because, as you said, this is something that if it's caught early
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  enough that they can you know, do this treatment. But how often is
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  that gonna happen? Yeah? The hard part of getting the appointment right and
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  getting men to even say, all right, well maybe I should go see
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  doctor, maybe someone should look at this, maybe I should go get some
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  help. But listen to Tom Green on this, play with your balls so
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  you don't get cancers, yes, or or you know, like I the
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  one time that I had a breastlump, it wasn't cancer. I had it
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  was smashed by a seat in a car accident and one of the glands got
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  pissed off. I guess I would be too, But in any case,
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  I didn't find it. The guy, the guy that I was dating at
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  the time, found it. So you know this, this give me a
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  couple's activity as long as you're gentle. Yes, so there you go.
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  Of course, Uh, prostate cancer just relies on the regular checkups and like
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  most guys will do that as long as they're not treated like they're being whiny
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  for going to the doctor, like this is something that women. Oh,
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  men don't go to the doctor. Men don't go to the doctor. And
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  then he goes to the doctor and it's like, what are you whining about?
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  You know? What's what? Yeah? Like, yeah, so what's
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  the handed disaster? I mean, you're not even allowed as a man.
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  You're not even allowed to have a fucking cold without them calling it a man.
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  Yeah, sorry, lady. Just because you don't know how to you
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  know, handle him in that situation doesn't mean that it's any worse than when
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  you are sick and coughing and you know, spewing out all all those other
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  lovely things that happen when when you're sick. But yeah, yep, so
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  definitely, uh, definitely keep up on those you know, this this is
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  what can be done if you know you find out early. And this is
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  a this is an interesting thing too, Uh, This this type of cancer
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  can you can have a genetic predisposition to it. So it's it's one where
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  if you know that members of your family have experienced prostate cancer or testicular cancer
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  and stuff like that, you you gotta definitely keep up on your your regular
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  checks. Make sure you're you're not letting that go. You know, I'm
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  I've done that with it. There's quite a few cancers that my family has
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  predisposition to thanks to the mutation on the motherfucker gene. I'm gonna keep saying
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  that for the rest of my life because who who decided that the gene would
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  be labeled m T H F R. I mean, come on, what
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  else am I gonna call it? But uh so I've done I've done that,
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  I've done testing. It's very unpleasant that you really don't want to hear
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  about because my my family has a predisposition toward ASK cancer. So if I
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  can do it, you can do it. I hate going to the doctor.
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  I would rather do anything than go to the doctor. I have patched
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  up things that should have had stitches and and and not gone in for stitches
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  because I didn't want to go to the doctor. So but I'll but I'll
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  take care of that because I don't want to dive ASK cancer. I want
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  to die of something else, less, less unpleasant, And you don't want
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  to dive bast cancer, So you get your testing done. I gotta go
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  man, you know, because you hit that age and your doctor tells,
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  long, I'm to go for a colidoscopy, I'm like, wait a minute,
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  no, I'm not. I can't. Yeah, no, it's it's
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  time, you know, And you know, it's it's such an uncomfortable thing
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  to think about, you know what I mean. But yeah, it will
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  save it can save your life if you go and catch something early enough.
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  And would a pound of prevention is the pound of cure. Yeah exactly.
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  Well, you know, and the older the older you get, like,
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  you just don't have that time, you don't get that time back. Yeah,
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  exactly exactly. In terms of that testing the colon ask to be testing.
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  The thing to remember is, you know, besides the fact that it's
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  not as unpleasant as it used to be, it's you get to go in
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  and be knocked out and not remember anything and uh and the poor doctor has
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  to look at the inside of your ass through a tiny camera that he has
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  to manipulate like it's some kind of video game. So that's yeah, it
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  could it could be worse. It could be the person doing the dirty job.
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  Let's see, for the amount of money that they get paid to do
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  it. I'd almost rather be on the other end. They deserve that money.
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  They deserve every penny they get. Imagine, imagine going to medical school,
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  becoming a doctor, making your parents proud, and then you become a
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  proctologist. It's a mixed bag of reputation, isn't it. I'm a doctor,
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  yeah, oh yeah, what kind of doctor? That doesn't matter?
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  I'm a doctor that's a doctor who saves men's lives. And and uh,
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  as we tweet it out with this story hashtag men's lives matter, like,
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  that's a tough one for people to accept. They'll accept any other hashtag lives
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  matter for whatever reason. But as soon as you talk about men, poor
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  poor Alison, it goes out on her account. She's probably gonna get flag
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  from people for that. And I'm the one that wrote it. But so
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  when you see the HBr talk tweet, Alison didn't write that. I did,
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  I'm the asshole. So uh but I but I will tweet that out
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  because while we talk about the different movements and the different you know, counter
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  arguments and all that, it literally is not recognized how much men's lives matter.
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  We we hear about it, we hear about all of the deaths and
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  everything that that people are co victims of, right, Women, women lose
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  everybody they love and in war, so they're the bigger victims. And uh,
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  they're widows now, so nobody's gonna support them. And and it's the
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  families that have the loss when when a male fighter fighter firefighter goes in and
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  rescues somebody and then dies from the effects of being in the building, you
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  know, or when a cop gets shot as opposed to the criminal getting shot,
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  you know, and so on, or when someone is wrongfully shot by
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  the cops. But it's the men who die. They're gone. They don't
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  get a second chance, they don't get to complain about their situation. They
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  can't recover from it. There's no recovery from death. You're done. That's
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  it, it's over. And so obviously all of the victims signaling around men's
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  deaths. The thing that we're skating around and skirting around is actually men's lives
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  matter very much, and we forget until we lose them, and then we
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  don't have all of the things they did and all of the things that made
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  them functionally important in our lives. And the people who missed them in you
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  know, in their lives miss them and that's all of a sudden Oh no,
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  Now men's lives matter when they're dead. Well, this is great.
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  This, this, these advancements are great because they are a moment when men's
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  lives matter while they're still alive. And we need more of that. Yeah.
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  Uh Philip Keevil, chairman of the UK Focused Ultrasound Foundation, said,
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  uh HAIFU is just one form of focused ultrasound, a non invasive therapeutic medical
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  technology that is transforming the treatment of a number of medical disorders, including many
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  cancers and diseases of the brain. The sole raisindetra of uk f U s
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  F. I don't even know how if that's pronounceable. UKFUS is to provide
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  patients in the UK with the life changing treatment option with minimal side effects in
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  the shortest time possible. So you catch you catch it early, you you
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  you know, you go get your testing done. You catch it early,
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  and you keep it from getting bad enough that you have no choice but to
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  do radiation or or chemotherapy or both. This is a great way to prevent
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  both of those from having to happen, and a great way to just destroy
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  it and you're done and you don't have to deal with anymore. Right,
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  So the next story is what happens if you don't or if if you know,
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  you get sneaky cancer, because every so often it's just slips through the
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  cracks. This one is IMU Healthcare pilot's breakthrough treatment for prostate cancer. And
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  this one is a treatment for cancer that has metastaised uses radioscopes produced in the
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  universe City of Missouri research reactors. So this article, if I understand right,
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  is from the University of Missouri. Because of that, the University of
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  Missouri Healthcare has initiated its first treatment using FDA approved targeted approved, targeted radioactive
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  medicine for advanced metastic prostate cancer. So if it gets through the cracks,
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  you don't spot it in time, the doctor doesn't spot it in time,
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  testing doesn't spot it in time, whatever, and it's as normally would be
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  too late. Well now it's not too late, and this one's probably going
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  to be more like an AD read more like an AD, but but at
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  least we know this is available now, so uh. Pluvicto is the brand
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  name for the radio pharmaceutical which includes I think this lutetium one S seven of
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  radioscope, only produced in the United States the University of Missouri Research Reactor.
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  This treatment shows promises promise in cases when metastic prostate cancer has continued to progress
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  after other interventions such as chemotherapy and hormonal therapy. So this is the situation.
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  This is like this situation where you detected the cancer, they've treated the
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  cancer, and the cancer says, you know, fuck you, I'm not
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  leaving. Basically, this therapy is very promising for patients whose prostate cancer continues
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  to advance following other treatments, said Gregory biedermann MD, MU Healthcare. Radiation
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  oncologist administration involves a total of six injections spaced six weeks apart. The injection
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  takes less than ten minutes and there are no other medication is required. M
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  pronounced radio isotope. Where did I see radio isotope? Oh? Radio?
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  Oh it's a I see what it is. It's uh. They put it
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  as one word, but it's not. It's two words. Okay. EMU
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  Healthcare is utilizing this treatment as part of an its Innovation Approval track, where
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  novel therapies receive health system approval for implementation on a pilot basis. This pilot
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  is a collaboration of nuclear medicine and radiation oncology, and the first infusion was
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  completed at the Ellis Official Cancer Center. So this is basically, let's see,
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  this would have been prior to COVID, there was a law passed to
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  allow it's called a right to Try, So it's it's to allow treatments that,
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  uh, you know, you're you're past the chance of being able to
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  use previously approved treatments, and you've got a terminal illness and your only chance
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  is a treatment that isn't fully approved yet or isn't fully tested yet, and
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  the other alternative to using that treatment is just going into comfort care, like
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  having having hospice come in and help you ease through the process of death.
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  So it's either you're going to die slowly or try this treatment. And previously
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  the United States government prevented people from having access to these types of treatments,
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  even under those circumstances like if I don't try this, I'm gonna die.
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  Well tough, you know, it's too dangerous for you to try this,
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  Like what else is going to go wrong that's worse than that? Yeah,
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  exactly, I mean how inhumane? Is that, like, right, just
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  when you're when you're at the end stages of your life, just let people
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  at least have you know, have a fighting chance. Exactly exactly. And
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  so this, this right to try legislation was passed, I want to say
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  in twenty eighteen. I might be I might be wrong, but it was
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  before twenty twenty. It was before I actually, yeah, it was it
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  was before I see my twenty nineteen because I know where I watched the reporting
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  on it, and I wouldn't have been watching it in that home. I
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  watched it at night, so I wouldn't have been watching it in the home
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  that I was watching it in after after twenty nineteen, right, So this
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  is something that was signed into federal law during the Trump administration. Trump signed
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  this to allow this type of treatment to become available to people who had pretty
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  much gone through all their other options and this is the only thing left.
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  Right, So this therapy is actually this gives this creates hope for people who
• 30:30
  were hopeless in a hopeless situation before. So this is again preservation of life
• 30:34
  in a circumstance that previously there wasn't a way to do that. And Richard
• 30:45
  Beier says similar approaches used to treat thyroid cancer. Radioactive iodine is used at
• 30:52
  the level normally for a PET scan, but cancer cells being greedy taken so
• 30:57
  much it kills them. That's fabulous though, like ha, here have some
• 31:02
  of this and Michael Keller wants to know if the states Well, We'll continue
• 31:11
  reading, Michael and find out if it if it states the half lifetime and
• 31:15
  how how it will leave the body in MU Healthcare is utilizing this treatment as
• 31:22
  part of its Innovation Approval track. Let's see I read that part uh Lutetium
• 31:30
  lutitium, Yeah, lutidium one seventy seven PSMA therapy offers hope for those with
• 31:34
  advanced metastic prostate cancer, said Amlak Singh, MD, and nuclear medicine physician
• 31:42
  and Professor of Radiology at MU Healthcare. The collaboration here at the University of
• 31:48
  Missouri to bring this product from m U r R through the research process into
• 31:53
  clinical application is an extraordinary example of our commitment to precision medicine. In twenty
• 32:02
  twenty one, MURR entered into an exclusive multi year agreement with Advanced Accelerator Applications
• 32:08
  International. Essay A bunch of Acronyms, a nov Artist company, to provide
• 32:16
  LU one seventy seven, the key ingredient to pluvicto, and Lusara, a
• 32:23
  similar infusion treatment for neuroendocrine tumors. Luthar treatment is already fully implemented and available
• 32:32
  at MU Healthcare's LS Fisher Official Cancer Center. Let's see LU one seventy seven
• 32:42
  is a major success story for the university in MURR. I don't see the
• 32:46
  thing about the half life, so I'm gonna have to look that up,
• 32:52
  said Matt Sandford, Executive director of MURR. The scientific breakthroughs by our researchers
• 32:57
  and partners are improving and saving millions of lives every year, and we continue
• 33:01
  to research and develop essential radio isotopes used in treatments that benefit the citizens of
• 33:09
  Missouri and the nation. The FDA approved Pluvicto for treatment of fantastic prostate cancer
• 33:15
  in March twenty twenty two, and You Healthcare may offer Pluvicto widely in the
• 33:22
  future following the completion of the innovation pilot process. So this is again,
• 33:31
  this is one of those it sounds like an AD. Yeah, it's one
• 33:37
  of those that does sound like an AD. But this is one of those
• 33:42
  situations where previously there was nothing that could be done, and now there is
• 33:50
  something that can be done. It's something that it's a last resort, and
• 33:55
  so it's not something that you want to have it done. Know, you
• 34:00
  want to get you want to get the early testing and and make sure that
• 34:05
  you're, uh, you're you're following all of the processes that you're supposed to
• 34:10
  follow in order to prevent yourself from getting to this point. But seeing these
• 34:16
  and and yeah, it probably most news stories about drugs are an ad most
• 34:21
  new stories about even in in the UK, probably most new stories about drugs
• 34:24
  and treatments are an ad. But looking at this and yeah, badger assumes.
• 34:31
  Richard Bierre says, so it turns the patient into radioactive man, well,
• 34:35
  temporarily, Yeah, for a little bit. I mean, is it
• 34:40
  better to do that than die? I mean right? Michael Keller says he
• 34:46
  read about it on the Almighty trash Heap and the side effects read like a
• 34:51
  light radiation sickness, which, uh, it sucks, like I've got I've
• 34:57
  seen friends locally through radiation sickness. I have a friend right now that is
• 35:01
  going through the type of cancer that my family usually gets and it has been
• 35:09
  dealing with, you know, the chemo sickness and the radiation sickness for for
• 35:15
  the last year and it sucks. It's not like you're like, oh,
• 35:20
  yay, you know we're gonna be doing this new thing. But but again,
• 35:27
  it's good to know that it's out there if you end up in that
• 35:30
  situation. Yeah. So, so basically what we've what we've read about today
• 35:37
  and you know, this may be an ad, but it gives the information
• 35:42
  about the drug that that's not. I mean, it kind of know it's
• 35:46
  available. You know that it's available, but I think that's kind of really
• 35:52
  all that we know about it because it doesn't really explain how successful they did
• 35:58
  it is you know, how many people have been tested. You know,
• 36:00
  they say this this thing or this is not the scientific breakthroughs by our researchers
• 36:06
  and partners are improving and saving millions of lives every year. But that doesn't
• 36:09
  necessarily mean or is necessarily referencing this t T l U one seven seven drug
• 36:19
  or therapy, you know, and you know, look, I don't want
• 36:24
  to just throw the baby out with the bath water, so to speak.
• 36:30
  I mean, listen, if this if they're excited about it and it looks
• 36:36
  promising, then great, you know, but I would kind of like to
• 36:40
  see something a little bit more concrete. Then well, we're positive about this
• 36:50
  thing and it works, well, you know, what are the side effects?
• 36:53
  And you know, I've seen what happens with, you know, people
• 37:00
  who have been exposed to too much radiation, and it's not a pretty situation.
• 37:07
  But again, you know, if this is something promising that can save
• 37:13
  your life, then I would do it in a heartbeat. Absolutely absolutely.
• 37:20
  I don't know. I just think for me personally, ever since the events
• 37:25
  of the past few years, I just don't trust like the FDA, I
• 37:31
  am very skeptical of our health systems in general. But you know, listen,
• 37:42
  I'm all for science, and you know what I mean. Looking on
• 37:49
  the University of Chicago's website, which they do offer this as well, what
• 37:57
  they've said is it's a type type of radiation is specifically targets a molecule in
• 38:05
  the surface of prostate cancer cells called p s m A. So it's specific.
• 38:13
  It has a specific effect on this h this type of cancer because it
• 38:19
  targets it targets something that is used to answer or to identify this type of
• 38:28
  cancer. The therapy is used with the companion diagnosis diagnostic gallium sixty eight.
• 38:37
  This is this is called locoments and this is also radioactive, which is more
• 38:44
  commonly known as the p s M. A PET scan uses imaging to identify
• 38:50
  cancer that makes this molecule, and it's if you look in the This is
• 38:54
  probably also just for disclosures, probably also an ad because they do use this.
• 39:00
  They do this treatment. Let me grab the chat in. I mean,
• 39:07
  I'm on the desktop computer, so it's a little slow. It doesn't
• 39:13
  sound like it like it's high levels of radiation, right, but it does
• 39:17
  use radioactivity. It kills using radioactivity. But this particular type doesn't attack like
• 39:30
  some some radio or radioactive treatments will will attack all of yourselves. And this
• 39:36
  because it targets this specific molecule. It looks like it doesn't. It says
• 39:40
  down in the next section where it says how does it work. Prostate cancer
• 39:46
  cells make something on their surface called psma. That psma is what the radioactive
• 39:53
  molecules attached to, so it manages to damage and kill the cancer cells without
• 40:01
  indiscriminately attacking the healthy cells in the body. But the image that it shows
• 40:07
  of when they say it's metastased. You can barely see the shape of the
• 40:14
  person in this image. But I'm gonna pull this up on the screen because
• 40:19
  it come on. Open sesame really open link open bad computer. Oh now
• 40:36
  it's gonna open twice because I got impatient three times. Maybe there we go.
• 40:43
  We'll just there we go, all right, close tabs to the right
• 40:49
  and we'll scroll down this image. Right. You can see here up at
• 40:54
  the top of the image, this is the head, right, and so
• 41:00
  this is this has gotten into all of the the lymph nodes. It looks
• 41:04
  like it's gotten into the kidneys. In the area surrounding the kidneys, you
• 41:08
  can see the sort of the here is the pelvic area. This has gotten
• 41:15
  down into the legs. It's it's everywhere. It's a horrible image for a
• 41:21
  person to see in a doctor's office, as as their body and uh.
• 41:29
  And it would be terrifying to a terrifying process to be fighting a battle against
• 41:35
  this. You would look at this and say, God, I'm dead.
• 41:38
  Yeah, there is nothing I can do now. And in this in this
• 41:44
  instance, well actually there there, there is. And so even though you
• 41:51
  know what we're reading is an ad the information that it gives us. You
• 41:58
  know that this this attaches specifically to a molecule in this area, because you
• 42:04
  would if you were trying to use just indiscriminate poisoning of the body to destroy
• 42:09
  this much cancer and all over this the body like this, you would kill
• 42:15
  off too many other things. Yeah, it's like it's still probably going to
• 42:21
  be difficult on your indoc indocrine system to get this out of your system after
• 42:29
  after you've had it injected. But at the same time, you know,
• 42:37
  it's still better than well, you're just gonna die because this is everywhere and
• 42:43
  there's nothing we can do about it. There is something that can be done,
• 42:47
  so goodness and Senior Sticks wants to know if we heard Trudy news.
• 42:55
  What's Trudy news. I'm I'm curious about this now, but just looking at
• 43:04
  this, so what we're seeing is at both ends of the spectrum of this
• 43:08
  particular type of cancer, you know, and a cancer that again, this
• 43:13
  doesn't get a lot of funding because it isn't something that happens to both sexes.
• 43:17
  It's not something that happens to women. Women do not have a prostate,
• 43:22
  so they don't get prostate cancer right, which you know brings up something
• 43:30
  that I wanted to say at the very beginning of this this show is,
• 43:34
  you know, isn't it interesting how you see all these football players every October
• 43:39
  they come out with their pink this and pink that and pink shoes all for
• 43:44
  breast cancer. And this is organization run by and mostly occupied and employed employees
• 43:55
  men. Yeah, why why are we why why do they? Fine?
• 44:00
  If you want to have your your breast cancer awareness thing, fine, where
• 44:05
  is the equal you know, exposure for prostate cancer things that actually affect the
• 44:12
  people that play this sport, these sports and own these fucking organizations? It's
• 44:21
  why is it so deaf? On one side? Well, you know,
• 44:25
  I want to see the women's sports teams that we are told to like,
• 44:31
  like women's basketball, women's soccer. Why aren't they coming out since men are
• 44:37
  stepping up for women's cancers and it you know, breast cancer does happen to
• 44:44
  both sexes, but you know, we see it more frequently occurring in women,
• 44:51
  bye, by a long shot. But they're they're stepping up to support
• 44:55
  this cancer that is a mostly female cancer, and a lot of the the
• 45:00
  organizations that support breast cancer also support ovarian cancer. Men don't have ovaries.
• 45:06
  So these men are stepping up wearing pink and and being proud to promote women's
• 45:14
  health. Where are the female athletes wearing blue and and talking about the importance
• 45:23
  of uh, you know, prostate cancer research and testicular cancer research, penal
• 45:29
  cancer research, uh and and early testing and awareness so that their loved ones
• 45:36
  don't die. Well, you'll never see it, but that's mostly because nobody
• 45:42
  watches women's sports. Yeah, yeah, that's true. That's true. You
• 45:49
  know, for all, for all the whining they do about equal pay,
• 45:52
  equal pay, how come we don't get as much money as the men?
• 45:58
  Wow? Richard Beer points out, Remember the prostate cancer strikes men who are
• 46:04
  more elderly, whereas breast cancer and ovarian cancer strike younger women. It kind
• 46:07
  of depends. Like the older you get, the more likely you are to
• 46:12
  have some type of cancer. Cancer. The tumors and cancer are essentially bad
• 46:17
  copies of your your own cells right there. It's the copy machine isn't working
• 46:24
  right anymore, and you get something that is not supposed to happen in the
• 46:30
  cellular reproduction. So the older you get, your DNA has sort of this
• 46:37
  padding at the end of each strand called telomeres, and as you age those
• 46:45
  get shorter. And there's different types of trauma, different types of things that
• 46:50
  that affect your the stress on your body and everything also shorten those. So
• 46:57
  for instance, if you if your child bildhood experience is growing up in a
• 47:02
  violent environment, your telomeres are are damaged from that. If you grow up
• 47:10
  in gang territory, your your telomeres are damaged from that. If you are
• 47:16
  are you know, on a ship that goes down and you survive that damage
• 47:21
  to the telomeres. Things that cause PTSD cause damage to the telomeres. Then
• 47:25
  there's course unhealthy diet, unhealthy lifestyles and stuff like that can as well.
• 47:32
  So it's more likely if you get a cancer when you're younger and your female,
• 47:42
  it's more likely to be breast through ovarian cancer than it is to be
• 47:45
  other types of cancer. But it doesn't necessarily there's there are many people who
• 47:52
  are middle aged and older when they get breast cancer or ovarian cancer, but
• 47:59
  it can Like I was twenty seven when I had a cervical tumor and it
• 48:05
  never got very big. It was one of those you know, you catch
• 48:07
  it really really early, and they removed the entire thing with just a biopsy.
• 48:15
  I never had to have any other type of treatment for that, and
• 48:17
  there's never been another broken copy machine in that area of my body. It's
• 48:27
  like one of the few cancers I don't have a genetic pre disposition too.
• 48:30
  And I got it anyway, so it and it went away really really easily
• 48:35
  and really really fast. So I don't like to think of it as I
• 48:37
  had cancer as more as I dodged a bullet because I got pregnant. Like
• 48:44
  if I hadn't been pregnant, I hadn't been to I hadn't done the testing
• 48:46
  I was supposed to be doing in seven years because I didn't have insurance and
• 48:53
  I didn't. I also hate that testing like I do it now, but
• 48:59
  I didn't I wasn't doing it in my twenties. And if I hadn't gotten
• 49:02
  pregnant, it was a it was a type of cancer that would have progressed
• 49:07
  really quickly and been deadly. It's the one that Gilda Radner died from,
• 49:14
  if I understand correctly, So yeah, this one one one more way that
• 49:19
  I didn't die. But yeah, so, like I said, do do
• 49:25
  your testing, because sometimes it's guys, aren't you guys aren't gonna get pregnant
• 49:32
  and find out that you have prostate cancer before it gets too dangerous. That's
• 49:38
  not a good way to find out either, because if there had been,
• 49:42
  if it had been farther along where they wouldn't have been able to remove the
• 49:45
  whole thing just with a biopsy. And like we're talking this size smaller than
• 49:50
  the size of a sweet pea, right, if it had been further along,
• 49:54
  there would have been a terrible choice to make. Do we risk this
• 50:00
  getting to the baby? Do we kill the baby? So it's your testing,
• 50:07
  all right, Fine, Fine, okay, all right, fine,
• 50:12
  I gotta do. And I'm the worst, you know, Like I just
• 50:15
  don't because I don't, you know, nothing feels bad on me, you
• 50:20
  know, So I'm like, wow, why do I have to go do
• 50:22
  that? You know they want me to get a mammogram, you know they
• 50:27
  want to. I made the joke to one of my coworkers. I said,
• 50:31
  you know once to the doctor. She told me, you know,
• 50:35
  they want me to get a call ad oscopy and a Mammo Graham, I
• 50:38
  said, you know, sticking a camera up my button smashing my tits didn't
• 50:43
  sound as much fun as it did when I was in my twenties. Yeah,
• 50:46
  yeah, you know, but here we are, and so yeah,
• 50:53
  all right, fine, yeah, and it's just it's just important. And
• 51:00
  you know the same thing with men. Like we we went through all of
• 51:04
  November and and didn't talk very much about this. But the fact that these
• 51:09
  these advancements have been made sort of indicates, you know, this has become
• 51:16
  something that people are more commonly aware of. Uh, and uh, yeah,
• 51:22
  It's it's true that the old, the older men are more likely to
• 51:28
  get prostate cancer, testicular cancers, penile cancers, those those are less likely
• 51:34
  to hit you in your early twenties or your you know, early thirties or
• 51:37
  forties, but when they do. And this this is the other thing that
• 51:44
  people don't think about, like, well, you know, I'm young,
• 51:45
  I'm not gonna get cancer. It's a tiny little chance, all right.
• 51:49
  But yeah, that tiny little chance is usually for the faster growing, faster
• 51:55
  progressing type. Whereas you know, you get it when you're in your side.
• 52:00
  You know, it's it's more likely to be just a fluke. It's
• 52:06
  not as bay. It doesn't mean that you don't have to worry about it.
• 52:08
  But it's not as big of a specter. It's not as big of
• 52:14
  a monster that you're you know, under your bed at that point. Yeah,
• 52:19
  and I saw family members go through that as well, and it's a
• 52:25
  you know, it's an easier thing to take care of when it's You're more
• 52:30
  likely begetting your testing done at that age because you know the risk is higher.
• 52:37
  It's more likely to get caught early at that age because you know you're
• 52:43
  doing your testing, so you're more likely to have a short course of treatment
• 52:49
  and so on. But but in any case, it is good to know
• 52:54
  that even if it gets as bad as it shows in this picture, there's
• 53:00
  something that can be done because there has been uh at you know this this
• 53:06
  funding for research into this subject has led to UH these drugs, this ability
• 53:14
  to use something that actually specifically targets a molecule specific to this cancer. So
• 53:21
  you're not poisoning your whole body. You're not destroying your your lungs and your
• 53:28
  heart and your brain cells in the process. It's just going after the cancer.
• 53:32
  Yea. And although it is going to be difficult on your indocrine system
• 53:36
  to get rid of it, afterward, it's still better than there's nothing we
• 53:40
  can do. I'm sorry. So so that's basically go and learn. I
• 53:51
  was just gonna say, I'm really curious as to why what you know,
• 53:54
  what it did, like the science behind it, and why this is only
• 53:59
  produced in the United States, Like how what did they do? You know
• 54:04
  what I mean? Like how? Yeah? But like how like the signs
• 54:09
  behind it? Just I'm very curious about But it's interesting. It's really to
• 54:15
  tell you about that. So, uh, copyright and patenting with drug formulas
• 54:22
  is a little different. Like if I write a book, write a story,
• 54:27
  and publish the book, and I copyright that, the story and any
• 54:34
  images and all that, I believe it's at this point, it's seventy five
• 54:38
  years copyright. Like if I register the copyright and then I think if somebody
• 54:46
  inherits it, it's like seventy five years after I die. So it's a
• 54:51
  really long time. But if I create a medication, it's a much shorter
• 54:59
  time period. You get some I don't think you even get ten years to
• 55:04
  be able to say only I can make this, only my company can make
• 55:07
  this. You can't copy this, and they do that because like if I
• 55:13
  write a novel. It's not necessary in people's lives to have that specific novel.
• 55:20
  There's not something they're treating with that specific novel, right, But if
• 55:23
  I have a treatment, a medical treatment that people need, and I hoard
• 55:30
  it and charge a lot for it, then people will die. And so
• 55:38
  if there's a copyright on a particular formula or a patent on a particular creation
• 55:46
  of a product, say we're not making this drug, but you can't copy
• 55:52
  this. You know this literature, we've written about it. Or we're not
• 55:57
  making this drug, but it's patented, so you can't make the drug.
• 56:00
  You can't copy the actual recipe for the drug. They only get to do
• 56:06
  that for a short period of time. But they do get to do it
• 56:08
  for a short period of time because if they didn't, it would not be
• 56:14
  profitable for companies to do the research to make these drugs available to the public.
• 56:22
  So they have this balance. I think they get like seven years of
• 56:28
  being the sole holder of the formula and the only people allowed to make the
• 56:34
  drug. And after that seven years, it's I think that's the maximum,
• 56:40
  like everybody can make generics of it and so on. And if it is,
• 56:46
  there are rules around some types of drugs that shorten it. Jen Bottle
• 56:52
  says two years he believes is the shortest time in patents usually last for seventeen
• 56:59
  years. Richard Biercea's patents usually last for seventeen years. So if I make
• 57:05
  a three pronged widget that is basically just a toy, I can I can
• 57:09
  withhold other people's ability to copy that for seventeen years. But if I make
• 57:15
  a three pronged widget that is designed to make your heart work when it's trying
• 57:22
  to die, then I might only get two years to profit from that before
• 57:25
  anybody can copy it, because it's much more important to stop people's heart from
• 57:34
  trying to die than it is to have a toy to play with. Yeah,
• 57:38
  so they're intellectual property is weird, and there are arguments for completely terminating
• 57:46
  all intellectual property protection. I'm not going to get into those. It's a
• 57:52
  it's a libertarian authoritarian discussion. And you know, in my mind, I
• 57:59
  have my position on it, and my position on it is not wouldn't be
• 58:07
  conducive to me being able to profit from intellectual property property. And I think
• 58:13
  a lot of people argue against my position on the basis that and these types
• 58:19
  of innovations and stuff wouldn't be done if people couldn't profit from it. But
• 58:23
  there was a time when intellectual property didn't exist right as a concept, and
• 58:30
  it was more a thing that you controlled through keeping secrets and comparing quality.
• 58:40
  So you know, you say, my name is on this, and I
• 58:46
  provide a certain type of quality. If somebody else makes it, I don't
• 58:51
  guarantee their quality. And that's enough to make people decide where to get something.
• 58:58
  But you know, the the again, the arguments are much more complex
• 59:02
  than that, and it's not like that's not really what this episode is about.
• 59:08
  Yeah, this episode is about men having access to treatments that were previously
• 59:16
  unavailable or previously not widely available, and being able to prolong their lives or
• 59:23
  prevent early death, at least from from something that is actually pretty scary.
• 59:30
  Let's see. Richard Beer also pointed out something about one of the cancers,
• 59:37
  and I didn't read it when I should have. Now I've lost it.
• 59:45
  Damn it. Here we go. Actually, testicular cancer is referred to as
• 59:51
  young man's cancer. Yeah. Well, and and again, like I said,
• 59:57
  listen to Tom Green, play with your balls so you don't get cancer.
• 1:00:00
  Mhmm. I think I think that's probably because you know, there's no
• 1:00:08
  old guys with test testing in the cancer because they're all gone. Yeah.
• 1:00:15
  Well and and that's just like I said, one more reason to do your
• 1:00:22
  testing. Mm hmmm. Let's see looking at looking at the rumble chat,
• 1:00:43
  see if there's anything all right, so we have I've heard spy trappings are
• 1:01:00
  quite passing for comical. You mean spinal tabs. Yeah, spinal tab is.
• 1:01:13
  The movie was funny. The experience is not. But I don't know
• 1:01:17
  if it's as bad as everybody says. It is when you're not in so
• 1:01:23
  much pain elsewhere that you don't feel it. But twice I've had a needle
• 1:01:30
  stuck in between the bones in my spine. Both times, other things going
• 1:01:37
  on were so unpleasant that it wasn't even noticeable. So here you have a
• 1:01:49
  banana. It holds radiation. Banana's old radiation. That's don't eat bananas when
• 1:01:54
  you go for chemos or go for radiation therapy. Then a tiny amount.
• 1:02:00
  Yeah, and brazil nuts are even worse. Be very careful about brazil nuts
• 1:02:04
  are the most radioactive food stuff in the world. But it's yeah, it's
• 1:02:07
  negligible compared with stuff that will actually kill you. If you eat like a
• 1:02:14
  million brazil nuts, you might turn into a mutant. Otherwise you're fine.
• 1:02:20
  See. I actually love those, but their heart is hell to it open,
• 1:02:22
  so I almost never have them. I can't even remember the last time
• 1:02:28
  I've seen a brazil nut. Yeah, those they I think it's mainly because,
• 1:02:35
  like they are a tough nut to crack. It takes a lot of
• 1:02:38
  hand strength to get through that shell. They're worse than walnuts by a long
• 1:02:44
  shot. Actually so and then a bad set also says is xerox an X
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  ray? Way, I got it? Oh he's looking at the the Yeah,
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  the image does kind of look like a bad Xerox. This is all
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  those dots all over it. Yeah, I was gonna make a tasteless joke
• 1:03:10
  about pee Wee Herman and playing Connect the dots. That's just not that's It's
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  the kind of joke I would make if I was in that situation. Yeah,
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  doctors like this is very serious and I'm going you know this this I
• 1:03:30
  this looks like, uh, connect the dots. I can see you know
• 1:03:34
  how it would be turned into why why do I have an alien face hugger?
• 1:03:39
  Like but yeah, I couldn't imagine going to a doctor and and them
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  showing that to me and saying that that is me, which again, you
• 1:03:58
  know, just really makes me want to make another fucking appointment, you know
• 1:04:02
  what I mean, just to make sure. And it's always when I think
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  that, you know, I think there's something going on, and I go
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  to the doctument like, no, you're fine, just do this whatever.
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  But it's it's just you know, being able to to at least know that
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  whether or not something is going wrong that you can't have, you know what
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  I'm saying, there's someone there that can, you know, let you know
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  what's happening, whether or not you should be concerned, well, and you
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  know most of all that that something can be done. Yeah, that's the
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  biggest thing is when you see something like that in the doctor's office, it's
• 1:04:45
  terrifying, just absolutely terrifying, Like this is all over your body now,
• 1:04:48
  and there's it's it's everywhere, it's in every system. Because that's one of
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  the things that happens in my family. Uh and and it's I don't think
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  it's limited to my family. I think it's probably a more common thing.
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  But we get we have a lot of history with cancers I got. I
• 1:05:13
  got told in as a child that smoking was just not an option. For
• 1:05:16
  instance, we have a major predisposition toward lung cancer, and there were dietary
• 1:05:25
  choices I made growing up because there are certain foods that help to mitigate your
• 1:05:30
  predisposition toward cancer. That's why I'm a fart machine, like, because the
• 1:05:38
  lot of the things that you eat to help ward off digestive cancers give you
• 1:05:45
  gas. But in any case, so I lost my train of thought.
• 1:05:56
  It brain cancer was basically talking about the predisposition toward cancer, the things that
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  I was told in my family, and lung cancer's shit. I completely lost
• 1:06:15
  where I was going with that. Oh yeah, it was if you you
• 1:06:27
  start out, you get one type of cancer. And this happened with my
• 1:06:30
  dad's mother, my grandmother or my dad's side of the family. And if
• 1:06:34
  I remember, I can't remember, she started out with lung cancer or colon
• 1:06:39
  cancer. But when you have one type and it they treat it and you
• 1:06:45
  you stay good for five years afterward, it's it's a fairly clean bill of
• 1:06:50
  health. Right when it gets into a second system, because you're digestive system
• 1:06:58
  in your respiratory system or two different systems, and it's gotten into the blood
• 1:07:03
  and started infecting a different type of tissue, started affecting a different type of
• 1:07:09
  tissue. Then it's then it's a lot scarier, becomes exponentially scarier, but
• 1:07:15
  you still have a chance. But when it starts affecting a third type of
• 1:07:18
  tissue, which in her case was bone cancer, uh, You're you're gone.
• 1:07:25
  Like, we don't come back from that. Some people do, some
• 1:07:28
  people can. I have seen people. We we've we've known people, you
• 1:07:32
  know, like Brian came back from that, right, but not in my
• 1:07:38
  family. So, like, if you have that gene, if you if
• 1:07:41
  you happen to do medical gene sequencing and you find out that hey guess what,
• 1:07:47
  you know you have the fuck you gene, then and you you definitely
• 1:07:55
  want to do all of the preventative things you can because if you get that
• 1:08:00
  third system affected by the cancer, uh, than then you're you're screwed.
• 1:08:09
  H And in this situation, it looks like, you know, you look
• 1:08:14
  at a system like this, you can see that it has affected the endocrine
• 1:08:19
  system, but there are tumors that look like they may be where there's there's
• 1:08:27
  nerve or bone. Instead, it looks like there's tumors and the lungs,
• 1:08:32
  so it looks like it's affected two maybe three systems there, and yet it's
• 1:08:40
  treatable and the treatment is targeted. I know, for me looking at that,
• 1:08:47
  even though specifically prostate cancer isn't something that I personally have to worry about.
• 1:08:54
  I mean, I've I've met in my family. This is really good
• 1:08:58
  news from my pertive, just because with the men in my family, they're
• 1:09:03
  they're at risk of this, they're at risk of you know, not finding
• 1:09:09
  out until it has metastised and moved on to other systems, gotten into blood
• 1:09:15
  and moved on to other systems. And this allows a situation of at least
• 1:09:19
  there's something we can still do if that happens. So, I don't know
• 1:09:27
  if there's anything else to really say about the specific thing. Let's see,
• 1:09:34
  huh. Richard Beier said when the patent was expiring for our twelve refrigerant,
• 1:09:42
  DuPont actually funded the environmental hysteria about it damaging YEO zone layer. That's interesting.
• 1:09:50
  Yeah, well, I can tell you one other thing about refrigerant.
• 1:09:57
  There's a lot of maintenance stuff you can do in your home where you like,
• 1:10:00
  you fix it yourself instead of calling somebody. I personally recommend that the
• 1:10:08
  average individual not fuck around with refrigerants, even the modern ones that are supposed
• 1:10:15
  to be environmentally safe as opposed to the one the old ones that are say
• 1:10:18
  supposedly not environmentally safe. And I'm not commenting on whether they are or not,
• 1:10:25
  but I had a family member that now lives in Texas instead of Ohio
• 1:10:30
  because he got exposed to spray from a refrigerant and he cannot get cold.
• 1:10:39
  Now if he gets cold, it's excruciating because he had skin damage. He
• 1:10:45
  had frostbite, and it's this is instant frostbite. So if you're getting you
• 1:10:51
  know, you're if you're switching out the refrigerant in an air conditioner in your
• 1:10:57
  car, for instance, I think that's what he was doing when it happened.
• 1:11:00
  Like, maybe just go have a professional do that and not take their
• 1:11:03
  risk. Because yeah, not that living in Texas is bad, but living
• 1:11:09
  in Texas because you have to and not by choice kind of sucks. Yeah.
• 1:11:15
  Uh yeah. No, certain things you know, you just don't do
• 1:11:20
  on your own when it comes to your car. That's why you pay people
• 1:11:25
  to do it. Because you know, and it's not any better that they
• 1:11:30
  get exposed to it because we do, you know, but you know,
• 1:11:38
  there's certain we know how to protect ourselves. There are protocols in place for
• 1:11:45
  us to you know, handle this stuff and not get a face full of
• 1:11:48
  fucking free all. Yeah. Yeah, exactly the same thing as you know,
• 1:11:57
  any other high risk thing. If you'd go to the area where it's
• 1:12:01
  being done professionally, there are tools to prevent exposure. There are tools to
• 1:12:09
  protect the individual safety measures, whereas if you're doing it in your backyard there
• 1:12:15
  aren't necessarily the same tools available there. Yea. And with that, I
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  don't really see any any other comments. I do see we have some super
• 1:12:29
  chows. So mayrith g gave us five dollars and said HBr talked to eighty
• 1:12:34
  nine honey for the Badgers. Dane gave us five dollars and says, I
• 1:12:38
  can only think about all the cancers treatments that could have been discovered if men's
• 1:12:41
  cancer research wasn't underfunded. One example, yeah, I agree, I agree.
• 1:12:46
  One example of a cancer treatment that was discovered to treat another cancer is
• 1:12:53
  a treatment I believe this is pronounced. I'm Matt tinib I hope that's right.
• 1:13:02
  It's called Glevic for chronic myloid leukemia. Researchers identified the BCR dash abl
• 1:13:13
  fusion protein as a key factor in CML, which is chronic mylloid leukemia,
• 1:13:19
  leading to the development of this drug, a targeted therapy that revolutionized the treatment
• 1:13:26
  of this specific type of leukemia. Reminds me of a story either Alison or
• 1:13:30
  Karen told about how funding to help men and women was cut because the organization
• 1:13:35
  didn't want a number of men receiving help equal to be equal or more than
• 1:13:40
  women. It also reminds me of the quote from a judge that acquitted a
• 1:13:43
  doctor and a nurse for performing female circumcision. He said that I don't see
• 1:13:47
  the issue it's done to boys. The judge was Jewish. Maybe if feminists
• 1:13:51
  hadn't removed boys from the anti FGM bill that was originally gender neutral, maybe
• 1:13:59
  that girl would gotten justice for her mutilation. My point is that segregation harms
• 1:14:03
  and it decays process or delays progress, which is true. And you know,
• 1:14:11
  you look at this and I remember reading in a couple of places that
• 1:14:18
  more men are affected by cancer than women. And it's probably partly because of
• 1:14:28
  work that men do as opposed to work that women do. Men are more
• 1:14:32
  likely to be working in environments where they're going to be exposed to toxis,
• 1:14:36
  toxins that can increase your cancer risk that affect those telomeres, and also that
• 1:14:47
  that can simply just poison the body in ways that can cause mutation. Maybe
• 1:14:54
  it's just the evolutionary reasons. For the same reason that humans in general are
• 1:15:02
  more protective of women than men, maybe evolution itself is more protective of women
• 1:15:09
  than men. That it doesn't matter if men die, because all you need
• 1:15:13
  is one man to repopulate a tribe where women get pretty inbred tribe, which
• 1:15:24
  which is a possibility if evolution can work its way around that. Because women
• 1:15:31
  are more important. Women's survival is more important to evolution than men's survival for
• 1:15:38
  for reasons we've been stating for years now that women are the evolutionary bottleneck.
• 1:15:44
  If women die, your species is fucked. If men die, it's it's
• 1:15:48
  less important because because one woman can im one man can impregnate hundreds of women,
• 1:15:58
  but one woman cannot be impregnated by hundreds of men. Well, they
• 1:16:00
  can, but it takes a long time. Yeah, so maybe that maybe
• 1:16:05
  there's genetic evolutionary reasons for all of this. She's got on top of all
• 1:16:10
  the other things, and she's got a limit based on how many eggs she's
• 1:16:14
  got to and some of those eggs aren't necessarily great. But like one of
• 1:16:18
  the things that I was referring to with with regard to the work and things,
• 1:16:23
  you look at the cancer that you see uh lawyer adds for on TV
• 1:16:29
  all the time, miso, thelioma is it often results from exposure to asbestos.
• 1:16:35
  So the people who are more at risk for that are going to be
• 1:16:40
  people who work in construction and demolition. Because if you work in an office
• 1:16:46
  that has asbestos in the ceiling or something like that, your exposure to it
• 1:16:53
  is going to be minimal unless something happens to release it. But if you
• 1:16:58
  work in in an a job where you are actually applying it or had been
• 1:17:05
  applying it, or you are taking things apart that that have you know,
• 1:17:10
  like you're you're deconstructing things that have asbestos in them, then precautions or no,
• 1:17:19
  you're still more likely to get exposure and you're gonna have a higher level
• 1:17:23
  of exposure than someone who just sat in a room while that sat in the
• 1:17:28
  walls. Uh and and then firefighters are also in a lot of danger from
• 1:17:32
  that older buildings that burn down that had asbestos can be that can be another
• 1:17:39
  really dangerous prospect for them. So you see more men exposed to things like
• 1:17:45
  that, the type of cancer that you get from white lung exposure, like
• 1:17:53
  the fumes from paint that that you spray onto cars. The up the camp
• 1:18:00
  los un AD's another one that's that's just more men on the base than there
• 1:18:06
  are women, you know. So you're seeing again a higher exposure of men
• 1:18:14
  to things that increase your risk. And I'm not going to necessarily say cause
• 1:18:18
  cancer because if you if it's demonstrated that your level of starting risk is determined
• 1:18:30
  by your genetic makeup, if you also have mutations on your motherfucker gene,
• 1:18:35
  call this number. There's there's nobody to sue for that. What are you
• 1:18:40
  to do? Sue God? The Court's not even allowed to decide whether or
• 1:18:45
  not God exists, So good luck with that. Also good luck getting him
• 1:18:49
  to pay up. But in any case, it's not necessarily that the substances
• 1:18:59
  are the cause of the cancer. They are a contributing factor. So,
• 1:19:05
  for instance, on my mom's side of the family, my grandfather smoked for
• 1:19:12
  forty years and didn't get lung cancer. I probably couldn't smoke for forty minutes
• 1:19:16
  and have that result because I got my dad's DNA too, Right, that's
• 1:19:24
  a killer. But yeah, my male family members were more likely to be
• 1:19:32
  affected for the most part because they were more likely to be working in those
• 1:19:35
  types of environments. My grandmother, who died of three different types of cancer,
• 1:19:41
  worked in a rubber processing plant made tires, and she worked in a
• 1:19:46
  cheese processing plant. She used to make something called Chef's Delight. I don't
• 1:19:53
  even know if that cheese is still available. But she worked with machines that
• 1:19:59
  put out toxins, and she worked with chemicals that were toxic. And I
• 1:20:04
  mean rubber is toxic, so there's that like that may have been and she
• 1:20:12
  smoked like a chimney, so that was pretty much a death sentence for her.
• 1:20:20
  Dane gave us five dollars and said smoking also damages telomerors. Especially It's
• 1:20:26
  especially bad for women that plan on being mothers because it also affects the child
• 1:20:30
  even if she quits smoking. People don't realize that they're technically more related to
• 1:20:34
  their mother than they are to their father. Only she is the other gammy.
• 1:20:43
  But you develop inside her. She provides you with the building blocks,
• 1:20:47
  and if the quality of her building blocks are poor, that's what you'll be
• 1:20:50
  made of. It's far more selfish for women to smoke because it causes permanent
• 1:20:56
  DNA cellular and epigenetic damage, also causes mutations, and there's something to this
• 1:21:02
  that people don't realize. Right Men, Your semen gets disposed of and remade
• 1:21:11
  all the time, so it's not a lasting thing. And if you have
• 1:21:17
  some kind of toxin or something in your system for a while when you're twenty
• 1:21:24
  years old, but you don't have kids till you're thirty, and you haven't
• 1:21:27
  done in any of the things that put that toxin in your system, and
• 1:21:30
  your body's eliminated it by that time, it's not going to affect your semen.
• 1:21:34
  Our eggs are created in our bodies when we are at sixteen weeks gestation
• 1:21:45
  in utero. Our mothers carry them. So when a woman is sixteen weeks
• 1:21:53
  into her pregnancy, the eggs that could potentially become her grand grand baby are
• 1:22:00
  in there. She's carrying them, So anything that she does to her body
• 1:22:06
  can affect not only her body and her daughter's body, but also the bodies
• 1:22:14
  the future health of her grandbabies and that thing about stuff there. Not only
• 1:22:21
  were you once inside your mother, you were once inside your grandmother. Yep,
• 1:22:28
  yep. So does that even extend to grandmothers who smoke. Possibly,
• 1:22:35
  I'm sure there are some scientists who will say so, And I don't know
• 1:22:39
  what to degree. We should trust the scientists, but yeah, nobody should
• 1:22:45
  smoke. It's a fucking silly thing to do. Man. Nobody should get
• 1:22:49
  started, that's for sure. And you know what's really gross about it is
• 1:22:54
  when my grandmothers were in their early twenties and and younger, cigarettes were advertised
• 1:23:03
  by stating four out of five doctors for this BRANDE. Once upon a time,
• 1:23:12
  it was it was almost exclusively men who smoked, because it's it's it's
• 1:23:17
  kind of stereotypically considered an attractive thing for men to do because it makes their
• 1:23:24
  vice is deeper and husky, and it does the same thing to women.
• 1:23:28
  But I guess it's less attractive in women. It still kind of is we
• 1:23:30
  all like a husky boys like the one I'm talking in now, but yeah,
• 1:23:39
  in any case, men got into smoking before it was even advertised,
• 1:23:45
  whereas women didn't get into smoking until it was advertised and it was Yeah,
• 1:23:55
  it did deliberately by by tobacco companies just to just to extend their sales base.
• 1:24:04
  And it works like a tree. Yeah, and yeah, the consequences
• 1:24:15
  are becoming apparent, even to the point where because women smoked, men smoked
• 1:24:23
  even more, and because men smoked even more, women smoked even more.
• 1:24:27
  Because women smoked even more, men smoked. Yeah, there's generational damage from
• 1:24:33
  it. And I kind of wonder if the grand grand babies, the babies
• 1:24:39
  and grand babies or smokers are more likely like women who were smokers are more
• 1:24:44
  likely to uh to be smokers in their lifetimes because of the tobacco exposure in
• 1:24:49
  utero. Does it change anything? Probably the baby more likely than the grand
• 1:24:55
  babies. But interestingly enough, the rest of Dane's comment is smokers and former
• 1:25:00
  smokers cannot take telomere lengthening drugs because the damage done to their DNA and cells,
• 1:25:09
  because it'll increase their odds of developing cancer. There's something else about cancer
• 1:25:14
  is you know, like it rewrites your your DNA. That's it's to a
• 1:25:18
  degree that you know mutates it, right, it also recreates those in in
• 1:25:27
  probably a warped manner as well. And so if you take those drugs and
• 1:25:31
  you already have the predisposition, you already have the conditions in place to develop
• 1:25:38
  cancer, you're gonna get a bad copy instead of a good copy. So
• 1:25:43
  you're it's you're basically fucking yourself if you do that. And and again,
• 1:25:49
  like this puts a big responsibility on women, and it is something that feminists
• 1:25:54
  have destroyed, the the the sanctity of the stewardship role that women have in
• 1:26:01
  the creation of life. Both sexes contribute to the creation of life, but
• 1:26:05
  it's women who are the protectors of life. We're the ones who decide when
• 1:26:14
  it's going to be created based on our consent. Right, We're the ones
• 1:26:17
  who decide with whom based on our consent, and we're just we're the ones
• 1:26:23
  who decide the environmental conditions in which it's going to be created based on our
• 1:26:28
  lifestyle choices. So if we make bad lifestyle choices, and we make bad
• 1:26:33
  character judgments and bad choices and timing, it's it's us who focks things up
• 1:26:42
  for the next generation, and then feminists blame men. And it's unreal because
• 1:26:48
  it's it's the woman's body, right. They want to say woman's body,
• 1:26:53
  woman's choice. It's the woman's body that inflicts the damage. It's the woman
• 1:27:00
  body that can be the protective environment. It's the woman's body that can be
• 1:27:03
  the safe haven for the growth of a new human life. And feminists want
• 1:27:12
  women to throw that away. They want to treat it like it's not something
• 1:27:15
  sacred right. And when I say protectors, I mean protectors like I gave
• 1:27:21
  birth in February. When I had my baby, I didn't get into a
• 1:27:28
  car that I didn't have to get into from November through February because of how
• 1:27:32
  big my belly was. The risk of damage to the baby was just too
• 1:27:38
  high. I was afraid we couldn't even get rear ended without doing damage to
• 1:27:45
  the baby. You know, early in the pregnancy probably not any more dangerous
• 1:27:53
  than than any other time. But later in the pregnancy, the farther the
• 1:28:01
  development is along, the less cushioning you have between the baby and the outside
• 1:28:06
  world. And the same thing. I like, my whole diet changed.
• 1:28:12
  I cut out a lot of bad stuff that you know, you don't want
• 1:28:16
  to feed the baby nothing but junk food. You want to feed the baby
• 1:28:20
  good food. I bought a book on nutrition and everything to protect the environment
• 1:28:29
  in which the baby is growing. Part of that protection is your character judgment
• 1:28:33
  of who are you gonna do this with, who you're gonna make this baby
• 1:28:36
  with. You know, are you going to choose to stick around with this
• 1:28:41
  person? And you should. You're gonna make a baby with somebody, that
• 1:28:45
  should be somebody that you're going to raise the baby with. And so when
• 1:28:50
  a woman just randomly makes a baby with some guy that she's not gonna marry,
• 1:28:57
  she's not gonna make a home with, she's not gonna raise the chin,
• 1:29:00
  and she's not going to entrust with her safety and her children's safety.
• 1:29:06
  She is failing to protect her child right there. That is a failure.
• 1:29:15
  So it is very important for women in particular to make good choices. And
• 1:29:24
  in fact, I would say women's reproductive choices are far more important to the
• 1:29:30
  welfare of their children than those of men. Women have much more responsibility to
• 1:29:39
  their children in their decision making process. We have to start earlier in our
• 1:29:45
  decision making process and we have to be more careful. Obviously. Character judgment
• 1:29:50
  is a both sexist thing. You don't want to make a baby with somebody
• 1:29:54
  who's an idiot, you know. You don't want to make a baby with
• 1:29:57
  somebody who's not going to let you be part of the child's life, and
• 1:30:01
  stuff like that. As men, you know, you want a trustworthy and
• 1:30:06
  responsible mother for your children. But it's her responsibility to be that person.
• 1:30:15
  It's only your responsibility to choose that person. So you know, in my
• 1:30:21
  opinion, it is a more egregious sin or crime for a girl to be
• 1:30:35
  careless with her body than it is for a boy to be careless with his.
• 1:30:41
  It's his choice, you know, And and if he fucks up,
• 1:30:46
  more likely than not, it'll make it so that he can't reproduce, rather
• 1:30:51
  than that his reproduction will lead to bad outcomes for his children. Doesn't mean
• 1:31:03
  we don't care as much about boys like they're They're just as important, and
• 1:31:08
  they're right to be taught to take care of themselves is just as important.
• 1:31:15
  But holy shit, girls, step up to the plate, you know.
• 1:31:18
  Women, step up to the plate and teach your daughters who is responsible for
• 1:31:25
  the environment that your your baby is going to gestate in that's you, and
• 1:31:32
  you can affect your child's chances future chances of developing cancer, of having any
• 1:31:43
  kind of physical or intellectual disability before you ever conceive, so big big responsibility
• 1:31:54
  there. But with that, I think I'm gonna call it because I have
• 1:31:59
  gone through all of the super super chows. We don't have any super chats.
• 1:32:09
  I don't see any any super chats, any rumble rants that are paid,
• 1:32:19
  So that's all of the paid chats. And I will say l l
• 1:32:25
  M I h K, I says, I'm a guy listening to this.
• 1:32:29
  I would love this to be taught to girls and boys in schools throughout their
• 1:32:31
  entire elementary, high, university, adult. I wish, I wish it
• 1:32:36
  used to be taught to kids, at least in in some ways. My
• 1:32:41
  health teacher in junior high school was a woman, and this is stuff that
• 1:32:46
  she said to the girls when we were in You know, they split you
• 1:32:50
  up and you go the girls go learn about their periods and the boys go
• 1:32:54
  learn about all of the different ways that testosterone affects you when you're developing as
• 1:32:59
  an an adolescent. But uh, but we heard about it as gen xers
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  but I would I feel sorry for the fact that probably jen Y didn't and
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  by that time she was retired. And uh, I don't think it was
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  as common to put responsibility on girls when gen Y was in school. And
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  I'm I'm one hundred percent certain that zoomers don't hear it, and they should,
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  like you can protect your grand babies from from certain types of health conditions
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  by affecting the environment in which your baby, your female babies ges state like
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  yep, and and that's uh, yeah, it's something that missus missus miss
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  Hawks, you know, maybe it was missus Hawks, I can't even remember.
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  But she was a great teacher and she did give us a gift by
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  discussing that with us. Uh And it was something that you don't hear very
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  often that But she was also a very conscientious I was very lucky. I
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  went to school with a lot of very conscientious teachers, men and women,
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  And uh, I don't you don't see that very much anymore. But with
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  that, I am going to go ahead and call the show. I think
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  we're we're done with the discussion. Glad to see that there are two therapies
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  available, uh that are that are becoming more widely available that uh, you
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  know, at both ends of of the possibilities with prostate cancer if you catch
• 1:34:48
  it early, that that there's there are therapies that are less intrusive and less
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  likely to subject you to side effects and and any potential bodily damage. And
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  if it gets to the point where we once would have said, well,
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  gosh, this is terrible, it's too late, it's in too many systems.
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  Well now it's not. It's not too late, it's not in too
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  many systems. There's something that can be done. And so I will thank
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  my two co hosts for going through these two articles and the information with me.
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  And I think we all appreciate the short sausage. Sausage. This is
• 1:35:26
  what happens when when there's good news, there's less to yell about. So
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  we're just going to go this happened, This happened, This happened. Do
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  what you will. Thank thanks for coming out. Everyone, Do what you
• 1:35:40
  will with the short sausage. It's short, short, but it's not even
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  gerty. It's it's a healthy sausage. It'll put hairs on your chest.
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  I don't need any more of those. I already have like three, but
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  uh, thanks everybody didn't need to know that probably what happens when you get
• 1:36:06
  old. At least it's not like with men. And I don't I'm not
• 1:36:10
  getting hair in my ears. Whereabouts are that? Actually, that's an inappropriate
• 1:36:16
  question, and you don't want to know. Actually, right now they're they're
• 1:36:21
  in the trash can in the bathroom. So I do pluck those because I
• 1:36:28
  don't like them. But and and also if I don't get rid of them,
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  they like work their way under the skin, which is really bizarre.
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  But thanks to everybody who listened and listened to the healthy sausage and my weirdness,
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  and thanks to everybody who works in the background to make HBr talk happen.
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  In good night, all good E'll