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Pulp · Deprogrammed Music Podcast

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  It's Do Program, the podcast where we try to get you into a
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  band. That's right.
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  We've done all the work for you. All you have to do is press play
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  and listen. My name is Justin and you can
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  say that I'm banned. Curious because I like to find
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  out why my friends like these artists and today you could say
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  that we're going to be the common people.
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  Heyo, today we are talking about Pulp and the order of this is is
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  interesting. Adam, you're up first here.
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  So talk to me about Pulp and why you why you think this is a band
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  that we needed to talk about on the show.
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  Thanks, Justin. Thanks for having me.
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  And yeah, I think this I did put this one on Pulp main means a
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  lot to me as a band. Most of the shows I've been on,
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  most of my friends wouldn't necessarily even know who the
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  artist is or be all that interested.
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  But I actually Pulp is a band that I share with the love with
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  a lot of my friends. And I'll get into that as we go
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  through through today. So there's finally an episode
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  that some people might that I know might listen to and and I
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  think so it means a lot to me because of that.
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  And I just think the that the persona of Jarvis Cocker as a as
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  a person as well. It's just he's such an
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  interesting person to talk about and he you know, I mean pulper,
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  obviously a band, but he's he is the brain struster of that
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  bandit in this effectively the band in some way.
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  I guess you could argue Billy Corgan is for the special
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  pumpkins, for example, right. So, so, you know, and he's such
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  an interesting character. And the other thing I think is
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  fascinating about them is just how long it took for him for
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  them to, to, to hit the big time.
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  You know, the band started when, when, when Jarvis was 15.
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  They're actually a 70s band that started in the 70s, which is
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  just mad. So I, I just, I just can't wait
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  to, to kind of dig into how they found their sound and how long
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  that took for them to find their sound and, and then, and then
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  how their career took off then because it, it really did take
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  off. And I would argue that out of
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  those Brit pop bands, I feel like there's more longevity in
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  the pop sound than perhaps some of the others.
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  So yeah, you know, in some instances that them might be
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  fighting words, but not today, I don't think.
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  Jenny, talk to me about Pulp cause like this is a band you
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  and I had never talked about. But the second I kind of hit
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  play on the playlist, I was like, Oh yeah, this totally
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  makes sense for. Jenny Yeah, completely.
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  I mean, anybody who knows me knows that I am a Brit pop
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  whore. And I feel like Pulp is like,
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  like definitely top five, if not the top three Britpop bands.
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  You know, like while Blur and Oasis were battling it out so,
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  so to speak in the 90s, they were just doing their own
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  fucking thing. And, and I've always loved that
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  about them. I had no idea that they were
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  around since the 70s. In fact, I didn't know about
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  these earlier albums until like we were doing this.
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  So that was really fascinating to me.
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  I, you know, I, like I said, I I love just any kind of bird pop
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  sound. There's something about this
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  band that hits this really like sweet spot of romantic and
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  longing, but also like sleazy and dirty and long.
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  And. Thirsty.
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  You know that it's it's all just kind of comes together in this
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  beautiful, beautiful sound that I absolutely love.
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  So yeah, love them. So this kind of lives in that
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  that same kind of vein of of stuff that the the Adam Gavin,
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  you know, pipeline has been for this show.
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  So I mean is that the self explanation there, Gavin or is
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  there more to it with you and Pulp?
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  Not I think that's right. Thank you for having me.
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  I love being on the show with Jenny and Adam.
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  No, I mean, you know, like I was totally into British weird music
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  from when I was from the time I could first start choosing my
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  own music. And so Pope just kind of falls
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  into that lineage, you know? Like it wasn't necessarily
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  anything that blew up about Brit pop that put them on my radar.
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  And there was a lot of really great stuff, I mean, out of
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  England in the early to mid 90s, which was maybe they're like
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  imperial phase, you know. But I do, you know, I, everybody
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  said a lot of good stuff. I mean it if you're thinking
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  about them through the Brit pop lens and like the big bands of
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  that era, all those bands were so different.
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  And like, like, I really like Suede, you know, Suede was
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  really. Oh, I love suede.
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  Strange thing, too. Yeah.
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  And you could make an argument. People do.
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  Journalists make arguments all the time about who was the, like
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  the quintessential ban from that movement or that time period.
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  And you. And there's a good case to make
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  that pulp kind of really like Jenny was saying, like is the
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  band that that most embodies sort of the spirit of what we I
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  guess what the spirit of what you think about kind of in your
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  imagination about Britpop? I mean, it was funny before you
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  started, Jenny sent a picture of herself like making a gin and
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  tonic. And if you if you were going to
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  make a drink of pulp, you know it like in a shaker, like in a
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  martini shaker, you know, one of those metal canisters, it'd be
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  like like 2 parts gin for sure. Like they are a gin.
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  Like they sound like gin. You know, one part Benny Hill
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  for I maybe ageing myself there. But like that's that kind of
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  sleazy part. Jenny was talking about one
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  part, one part like British kitchen sink drama, which kind
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  of Adam they share with The Smiths.
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  You know those famous TV shows in England that were really
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  about sort of the mundanity and drama of just normal British
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  life. They're kind of like one part
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  like college drama class, like bad like bad drama class and
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  definitely a little dash of like working class protest song is
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  thrown in. Absolutely.
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  Yeah. Can I put a?
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  Can I? Put a sprinkle.
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  Can I put a sprinkle of? Put some bitters in there, yeah?
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  Maybe a sprinkle of Austin Powers on top as well.
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  Yeah, yeah. You know, Austin Powers kind of
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  took some shit from Jarvis, I think, you know.
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  Yeah. Yeah, I think you did.
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  Yeah, I think so. Oh what a fucking band.
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  And like what a band. You know, when I say that one
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  the like no one else could ever be that band, you know, like
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  they you like, you know that when you hear them, even as
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  their sound has changed, they have a, they have a singular
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  identity that is totally strange, totally British.
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  And I think you can see all these ingredients from the very
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  beginning, you know, even though their sound totally changed and
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  like, as I'm sure we'll cover their records that are much
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  better than other records, all of those ingredients were there
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  from the beginning, you know. Yeah.
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  I just want to point out, I love that the two of you, Gavin and
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  and Jenny kind of both beat me to the punch on one of the
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  things I was going to say in this part was this band's kind
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  of horny, Eh, like like there is like a, a sleaziness, but not
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  like an off putting sleaziness. It's like a a kind of endearing
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  sleaziness. It's kind of, it's very Austin
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  Powers. It's very, you know, I kind of
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  want to get close to you. I kind of want to sit on the
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  couch with you. Like it's it's definitely horny
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  and it's inviting. Like the the the entirety of it
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  in you know, we'll we'll get into like the specifics of, you
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  know, as you just said, Gavin, like some some albums are are
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  definitely better than others. But like it, it felt like you
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  and we'll we'll talk about like the selection that we picked,
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  but like, I felt like I knew the band from jump and then you kind
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  of get into the next record and you're like, Oh yeah, I did.
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  But also they're also so much more than that.
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  So it's it, it is nice to kind of hear that, you know, it might
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  not come out in in the gameplay, but it is nice to hear that I'm,
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  I got what this band is from my time with them.
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  So that that makes me very happy.
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  But so let's talk Adam. Like we, we had to kind of chop
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  it down like what we could bring to the table for for this band.
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  Talk to me about song selection and then walk me through like
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  what you're looking for when when you put your 20 together
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  for it. Yeah.
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  OK, so just for the for the listeners, I guess we started
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  actually from album #3 Separations, which is in the
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  early 90s, Ninety 2. And we covered, we cover, we
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  cover 12346 albums and we've got a couple of singles thrown in as
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  well. I found it very hard for me.
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  There's three albums that I was really familiar with and that's
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  probably the core part of Pulp's discography where they really
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  hit their straps. So his and hers different class
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  and this is hardcore. I'm I was very familiar with all
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  the songs there. The rest of it not as much.
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  And worth pointing out that they've the latest album is this
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  year called Moore. It's a 24 year gap between
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  albums, which isn't bad and I'm glad we included it because I
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  think it, I'm looking forward to talking about it.
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  Yeah, so I found it. I found it really hard and I
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  find like there is so many sides to them.
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  Even though I agree, totally agree with the horny comment.
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  There's like a sleaziness to it that he walks the line, a fine
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  line at the times with that. And I just, I love all the
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  different sounds that they bring.
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  So I found it. I found it really hard to get my
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  list down. I I did think about album
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  representation a bit, but it's not even.
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  But I've made sure that I've got stuff from right across because
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  I think everything is kind of worthy.
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  And I finally got to my list. I made AI did make the late
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  change or say so. Yeah, that was interesting.
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  Yeah. So Jenny, I know, I know that
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  you had some, you had some last minute changes like some last
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  minute scrambling. Oh yes.
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  Somebody may have told a little birdie named Jenny may have told
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  me at A at a certain birthday party, but like I I know you,
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  somebody's going to throw. Me right under the bus, aren't
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  they? But I know that sometimes.
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  I know that you had kind of have changed the way that you
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  approach the show like the last couple times.
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  Is this a band that you're able to continue with that or is was
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  there a? Different, you know, I, I felt
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  very confident that I was going to be able to get through it
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  with no problems. Because what, So what it is, is
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  that if I start like when we first put the panel together and
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  I start putting the list together, I listen to the whole
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  discography multiple times through.
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  I'll overthink it. I change the list and I end up
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  like losing something that I really loved and it just becomes
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  heartbreaking for me. And I I just put too much.
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  I put just put too much into it basically.
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  And, and I found that like if I just kind of go kind of last
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  minute and, you know, in the last going up to it, like it's
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  very fresh in my mind. I, it's, it's what I'm feeling
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  now. You know, what I make from a
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  week from now might be a different list, who knows?
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  But I need to be able to talk about the songs that I love now.
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  So very confidently. Like I said, kind of waited till
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  the last minute and put it together.
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  And then I was like, oh shit, what have I done?
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  I have to make some really tough choices here and this is not
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  fun. I I hate the show.
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  Why do I keep doing it? Justin, you're not my friend
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  anymore. But so the and here's the
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  problem that I have with that I've had on many, many bands
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  before. What I'm really familiar with a
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  couple of albums and then not as familiar with a couple others
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  and then hearing others for the first time.
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  It, it really skews my perspective of how much I like
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  certain songs. Like I, I actually hold the, the
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  albums I know to a higher standard.
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  Like do I like this song because I'm familiar with it?
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  Or do I like it because it's actually really good?
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  And, and I find myself like steering away from those and
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  going to the albums that, that are newer a little bit more,
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  even if I don't like them quite as much.
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  Like I have to push myself and, and it's, it's caused me some
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  stress today. Let me just say that because I
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  did, I did go for some album representation that I'm not
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  comfortable with. That's all.
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  Well, Gavin, talk to me about your list like you never seen.
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  I mean we go from someone who is who is stressed today.
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  You never seem stressed about your list.
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  Sometimes it it depends. This one was easy for me.
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  I mean, if you lay out the kind of timeline my list bell curves,
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  it's heavily, you know, weighted to the middle and then kind of
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  trails off on both ends. The discovery for me was I
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  forgot like how sick this is. Hardcore is that fucking
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  record's a beast and. Absolutely.
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  The record that gets the attention is the one before it
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  where they really kind of took over the world in 95 with
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  different class and then this is hardcore got kind of panned in
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  the press, right Adam? Like it was a dark and like a
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  let down and a weird record. I mean they waited three years
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  to put it out and and but fuck, revisiting that record.
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  It's just so good. So yeah, it was easy for me and
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  I liked the, I really like the extra kind of stuff that
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  everybody threw in the B sides and the Trainspotting song and
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  all that stuff. So for me again, being somebody
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  who is just coming on, we we started with separations and as
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  I already mentioned, I was like, OK, yeah, I like this, this is
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  good. I like this.
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  And then when his and hers starts up, I was like, oh, this
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  is going from a band that I I am going to kind of like to this
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  could be trouble And and it kept doing that like so with his and
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  hers was like, OK, that now I'm in trouble, but surely it can't
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  get better. And then I got in a lot of
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  trouble with different class. And then I'm glad you brought up
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  this is hard. I don't know what my ALP my
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  representation will show from this is hardcore, but I feel
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  like that was the one I scrutinized the most because I
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  liked it the most. Kind of the what Jenny was
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  talking about Now my my like versus somebody who actually
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  knows the band is is different. But like I felt I found myself
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  the most tied to this is hardcore.
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  Like it had the IT was the album I like the most, but I don't
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  know that I have the most from it because I think I kind of
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  cold songs for like no reason 'cause I think I had a lot from
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  it after the first pass. I feel like I didn't not like we
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  love life, but it felt like a step down.
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  And then when more came up I was like, oh shit, like I really
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  fucking like this. And then to come to find out
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  like it was their most recent work, like from this year, I was
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  like, well shit. So I I can't remember the
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  numbers at this point, like how much I had through.
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  I did try not to overly think about cuts other than like I
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  said, like trying to make sure I have a little something from
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  everything. But I am kind of much like
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  everybody else, skewed towards the middle.
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  I think is where where the bulk of my my choices came from.
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  So the all this to say, like this sounds like this could get
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  messy. Adam, based on everything that's
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  been said, how many do you think we get through unanimously?
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  Oh yeah, it's, yeah, it's really, it's really tricky.
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  I I feel like, and I love what you were all saying about This
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  Is Hardcore, because I just think it's the perfect album to
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  follow what they had done with his and hers in different class.
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  And it was underappreciated at the time.
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  But if I talk to people that I know now that Light Pulp, they
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  will often refer to those songs on This Is Hardcore and I think
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  they had the longevity. So it feels like we won't we
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  might be reasonably aligned. But the problem, the problem is
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  there's no bad songs in those three albums.
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  In my opinion. There's nothing that I would be
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  going. How could you possibly pick that
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  from those three albums? So that's that's a fair chunk of
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  songs. So what am I saying?
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  I'll go, I'll go. Having said that, I think
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  there's some stuff that will come through and I've got, so
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  I'll go 5. All right, I like 5.
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  It's a nice middle of the road pick with a four person panel.
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  What do you think, Jenny? I am not nearly that confident.
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  I feel like when you say nobody's going to pick something
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  that why did you pick that? That's usually the ones that I
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  pick. So I I'm going to go with three.
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  OK, three seems like a safe bet on a four person panel.
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  It just seems like it, especially this discography is
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  kind of it. It's it's not thin, it's thick.
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  Like there's a lot to pick from. So what do you think, Gavin?
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  I think we're going to find each other.
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  I think I'm going to go 6. OK.
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  Oh. I got you, Jenny.
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  All right, so let's see 536 now. Do I undercut?
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  Do I go under or do I go? You know what this is?
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  This is always my pick lately. If we're going to do it, we're
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  going to do big. I'm going to go 9.
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  Not necessarily. Wow.
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  You're playing to lose. Well, you know, most most of the
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  time I am but but if we get 9, then we've got nine.
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  That means we did really well. If I'm winning, that means we
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  did really well. So that's the way I like to look
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  at it is throw away my pick. Nobody wants me to win.
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  John always tells me, you know, you can recuse yourself.
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  You don't have to play. Yes, I do.
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  I mean, I don't. It's my show.
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  I don't, but yes, I do. So all right, we're going to
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  take a quick break and on the other side of it, we're going to
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  play the game. It's to program Jack.
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  And with that, the name of the game is deprogrammed.
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  The four of us have come through a selection of the Pulp
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  discography and plucked out 20 songs that are now going to mash
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  together in an attempt to get a top 10 starter kit for you.
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  In case you have never listened to Pulp.
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  And at this point, we should note that Matt Quantum was going
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  to be on the show with us. He has sent his list for
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  anything, any tiebreaker needs we may may need.
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  So I like it. So we do have like those in the
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  pocket in case we need them. I'm going to go with the point
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  where I knew I was in trouble. And I, I, you know, I'm going to
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  go with the song that I like better rather than necessarily
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  where I knew I was in trouble. This is the song that really
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  kind of went, oh, oh, OK. Yeah, I'm going to go with lip
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  gloss. I don't have that one, but I
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  love that one, all right. Yes.
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  OK, I'll take it to there. I'll take it to there.
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  Should be noted that Matt had that as well.
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  Should we need that at a later point.
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  Like I said, you know, I I kind of toasted into that record
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  thinking, thinking I knew the band.
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  And, you know, maybe the other song, the first song will come
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  up later. But like, Lip Gloss, I like it
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  better. And I was like, oh, shit.
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  Like, I feel like there's more to this band than than what I
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  thought was what I thought it was going to be.
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  So. All right.
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  Lip Gloss grabs A2. Adam, where you want to start?
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  Yeah. Where do I start?
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  OK, I'm alright. I might have another go actually
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  at Oh no, I'm not going to. OK, I'm going to start from a
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  discovery for me from this listen.
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  So, and I guess so the first album we're covering is
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  Separations and what I was reading about with this is that
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  because Jarvis Cocker, you know, a couple of albums in the 80s
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  kind of trying kind of mournful indie is how it's often
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  described. I've listened to it didn't
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  really do much for me. I mean, you're up against them
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  heavyweights like The Smiths and other bands like that.
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  And he hadn't found his sound and what he was really after.
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  He then went to Uni university late 80s and met Steve McKay who
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  became the bassist who was into house music, introduced that
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  element of this girl in the house that's all of a sudden to
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  weave its way through into the what became popular Pulp and the
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  album separations. Kind of it's almost like 2
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  albums, like the first half is OK my opinion, the second-half
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  is unbelievable. I just love it and the more I've
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  been listening to it, the more I've been getting into these
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  songs and I'm going to pick one of my favourites from that, my
• 24:04
  legendary girlfriend. I don't have it, but that was
• 24:13
  the first song by Pope I ever heard and my, my, my legendary
• 24:19
  girlfriend played me that song and I really love it and I don't
• 24:23
  have it. They recorded separations in 89
• 24:26
  Adam and then. It took.
• 24:28
  Years to come out because of record label drama and stuff,
• 24:32
  but yeah, yeah. I can't save you there, bud.
• 24:37
  Wow. Unfortunately.
• 24:41
  All right, Jenny, where you want to go?
• 24:45
  Let's see, I think I'm going to start with my controversial last
• 24:48
  minute pick because you know, I'm going through the list and I
• 24:52
  was like, wait, where's that one song?
• 24:54
  I was like, which? Which album was that on?
• 24:56
  Fuck, fuck. That was on Trainspotting, not
• 24:59
  on an actual album. It was like the B side that they
• 25:01
  released with something from different class and it's my
• 25:04
  land. I didn't have a chance to listen
• 25:08
  to it so I don't have it unfortunately.
• 25:12
  I get it. I said it like Monday we.
• 25:15
  Should add that. I didn't take it.
• 25:18
  I love Mile. And that was like at the height
• 25:21
  of their power to Jenny when that came out.
• 25:23
  You know that. Yeah.
• 25:24
  That great soundtrack, the Trainspotting soundtrack.
• 25:28
  Ultimately, I didn't didn't make the list.
• 25:32
  Yeah, I I really, really listen to it, Jenny.
• 25:35
  And when I know this song, yeah, I totally knew it, but
• 25:39
  unfortunately I couldn't find room for it either.
• 25:42
  So. Yeah.
• 25:43
  You're joining me in the bin. That that's what I get for, you
• 25:48
  know, I, I kind of intentionally that I was like, let me, let me
• 25:50
  just start with something that I know is not gonna work.
• 25:53
  That's fine. When I mentioned it, I was like,
• 25:56
  I don't even want to mention this because literally you guys
• 25:59
  have had your list done for like at least a week and and I'm just
• 26:04
  now like, truly putting it together.
• 26:08
  Yeah, this is not going to make it, but I've really felt like it
• 26:11
  needed to be mentioned when I was doing some research on on
• 26:16
  the album and everything and and on that song, apparently one of
• 26:20
  the people in the band wanted that to be on the album and
• 26:22
  thought it should have been swapped out for something else.
• 26:26
  Yeah, when I when I took that song out, I I made a note to
• 26:29
  say, like, I wonder if this one's going to make it in.
• 26:34
  But that's a good point, Jenny. How incredible that that song
• 26:37
  didn't make different classes like.
• 26:39
  Yeah. Like that, that just shows.
• 26:41
  I mean, that album is just a lot.
• 26:44
  They were on an absolute streak of, of writing at that point,
• 26:48
  weren't they? They everything they wrote
• 26:50
  because it's, it's a fantastic change, you know, and deserved
• 26:53
  to be on an album really, I don't know, amazing.
• 26:57
  And it should be noted that Matt had it as well.
• 26:59
  Like if Matt was here, he would have saved you from the bin.
• 27:03
  Ah man, that's. OK.
• 27:07
  All right, Gavin. Well, I'll join you guys in the
• 27:12
  bin. So I took, I took the closer off
• 27:17
  the new album, off more. I took a sunset, the last song.
• 27:21
  I think it's really beautiful. Oh no, I don't have that one.
• 27:26
  I love that one though, I really do.
• 27:29
  It's really good that I love the whole album.
• 27:31
  Actually, I really, really like that album.
• 27:34
  No, I don't have it, though. No.
• 27:36
  Same. All right.
• 27:37
  Same. All right.
• 27:40
  Well, that was quite the first round.
• 27:47
  All right, let me try something off of different class.
• 27:54
  How about? This was an answer I got several
• 27:57
  times on the Internet when I asked them.
• 28:00
  How about Sorted for Ease and Wiz?
• 28:05
  That's the one, that's the one that I swapped mine out for and
• 28:08
  that's the one that they wanted to put, they didn't want on the
• 28:11
  album and they wanted my land instead.
• 28:16
  Well, you know, I, I I think I really love that song, but I
• 28:23
  just couldn't fit it in, unfortunately, Yeah.
• 28:28
  You know this, you know the story of that song, Adam?
• 28:30
  Like it's it it it it that's what they just heard this guy at
• 28:36
  Spike Island when when Stone Roses did Spike Island and that
• 28:40
  all the kids were out there in the field.
• 28:43
  They just heard this guy walking around going is everybody sorted
• 28:45
  for ease and whiz and is. That right, Yeah.
• 28:50
  OK. And the single came in like a a
• 28:54
  single, like folded like it was a drug packet.
• 28:57
  Oh, wow. They got a lot of trouble in the
• 28:59
  press for that because people had just started, like, dying
• 29:03
  from ecstasy overdoses. Wow.
• 29:05
  So yeah. Well, Matt could have saved me
• 29:08
  from the bin there, but I guess I'm joining y'all in the bin,
• 29:13
  so. All right.
• 29:14
  Wow. I can't believe there's a bin.
• 29:16
  I didn't. I thought I was going to be the
• 29:18
  only one with an O on that one. Yeah.
• 29:20
  It's a good song. Yeah.
• 29:22
  That's a big song. All right, Adam, OK.
• 29:27
  I feel like we need to get back on track with some songs that we
• 29:30
  can get here so well, hope. Although now I'm wondering.
• 29:34
  So I'm going to start a different class and I'm going to
• 29:38
  pick a song that if I put the song on with a group of my
• 29:43
  friends, without hesitation, they're all up and dancing and
• 29:48
  they still are. A friend of mine, a mate of mine
• 29:52
  though recently suggested we were talking that he's a little
• 29:56
  bit sick of it. I know.
• 29:59
  I think he might, he might almost start divorce proceedings
• 30:03
  from his wife on that because. But, but I kind of know what he
• 30:07
  means. I've heard it a million zillion
• 30:08
  times. But really, it's such a classic
• 30:11
  song that and it's what they're probably known for to some
• 30:17
  degree is common people. Yeah, I got it.
• 30:19
  Oh yeah. Of course, Yeah, yeah.
• 30:21
  Yeah, hell. Yeah, it's just such a banger.
• 30:24
  It's just such a banger that would have been unanimous with
• 30:28
  or without men. So just right, I'm right.
• 30:31
  And it was, to your point, the answer I got the most.
• 30:35
  Yeah. I mean, and I mean, look, I
• 30:40
  love. I mean, the reason I know this
• 30:42
  song is because of Shatner. I was going to say.
• 30:46
  So yeah, like Shatner's version of it kind of put me onto it.
• 30:51
  I didn't know that, you know, it was a Pulp song at the time, and
• 30:55
  I didn't know that until much later.
• 30:56
  But like, when you finally hear the real version, you're like,
• 31:01
  oh, it's actually not like a, a corny look.
• 31:05
  And I like Shatner's version, don't get me wrong, but like,
• 31:09
  it's not as corny as as Shatner's version, so.
• 31:14
  All right. Yeah.
• 31:15
  That sounds incredible. It lifts you up through the roof
• 31:18
  every time you hear. It all right, I mean, you know,
• 31:23
  you say like that, I mean, it's good to see that even though
• 31:28
  maybe that's the the layup easy one doesn't sometimes that
• 31:33
  doesn't mean it doesn't belong. So, right, sometimes people
• 31:38
  would kind of put that as a strike against it.
• 31:40
  And I'm I'm happy to see that we did not do that.
• 31:42
  So all right. There's no way you could have a
• 31:45
  pulp list without having people on it.
• 31:48
  That's agreligious. And like, you know, we can talk
• 31:52
  when we get there. Is it the number one?
• 31:54
  That's, that's a different conversation, but it it, it
• 31:57
  rightfully belongs on the list. So.
• 31:59
  Yeah. All right, common people is in
• 32:02
  Jenny where you want to go? Well, you know, since since
• 32:07
  we're trying to go easy on everybody right now, we're not
• 32:09
  trying to throw any more in the bin just yet.
• 32:11
  I'm going to put another softball out.
• 32:15
  I know our friend Peter, who's on a lot of the episodes, has
• 32:19
  described this song as just pure sex.
• 32:23
  This is hardcore. The title track.
• 32:25
  Oh. No, I don't have that.
• 32:28
  No, that's that is my favorite song.
• 32:34
  Yeah, I do have it. I absolutely love that song.
• 32:37
  I didn't take it. Oh man, well I'm going to be
• 32:42
  fighting hard for that one. I absolutely.
• 32:46
  I mean, again, it should be noted like, I mean, it's still
• 32:49
  early, but like as of right now, there's only two and there's one
• 32:53
  in and two in the conversation, so.
• 32:56
  Yeah. Can I?
• 32:57
  Can I? I just want to say a couple of
• 32:59
  things about it because I just love the muted kind of trumpets
• 33:05
  as they come in and, and I I think they've always had this a
• 33:09
  bit. They've definitely had a love of
• 33:10
  David Bowie. But this song is, it just really
• 33:14
  rips into it. He really shows his influences
• 33:17
  around David Bowie and especially in the album as well,
• 33:19
  I think. And after listening to this
• 33:22
  quite a lot, like recently, I've just gone back on to a massive
• 33:25
  David Bowie phase where I've just been listening to nothing
• 33:29
  but him because I've just nice. It's just, it's just so good.
• 33:32
  I, I just, I encourage anyone listening to this that hasn't
• 33:37
  discovered that song to, to, to kind of dig into it.
• 33:39
  It's just amazing. All right, I've never noticed
• 33:44
  the Bowie connection, but I'm going to go back and listen to
• 33:46
  it again and, and look for it because, you know, sometimes you
• 33:49
  just don't pick up on stuff like that.
• 33:51
  That's that's fascinating to me. And I I love that it has like
• 33:54
  this kind of loungy, kind of a feel, just really deep and sexy
• 33:58
  sound that just really, I mean, it just it oozes.
• 34:03
  That's that's not just oozes out of the speakers well.
• 34:07
  All right, it gets a 2. It gets to hang around Gavin,
• 34:11
  where do you want to go? I took babies off his and hers.
• 34:16
  Yes. Yes.
• 34:18
  Yeah, All right, nice 1234. It it should be noted that it
• 34:24
  would that would also be a unanimous with Matt here.
• 34:29
  And he he told me that that's his favorite song and it is also
• 34:34
  his dad Barry's favorite song. So cool, awesome song.
• 34:41
  What's funny about this song is I think I accidentally, like, I
• 34:46
  accidentally took it off initially because for some
• 34:49
  reason it's at the bottom of my list.
• 34:52
  And when I went back and listened to, I was like, why am
• 34:55
  I missing babies? And I went and I went and
• 34:59
  listened to the song again and I was like, no, no, no, no.
• 35:03
  This should not only not only should this be on my list, it
• 35:08
  should be a lot higher. So yeah, Hi.
• 35:12
  Yeah, there we go. Babies is in like he so we've
• 35:17
  talked about them being horny and sleazy, but also he showed
• 35:21
  that they're also pervy. Yeah.
• 35:24
  Such a dirty song. Seriously.
• 35:27
  Yeah. What his his brain is so.
• 35:31
  Yeah. So blue, isn't it?
• 35:33
  Like it? Really.
• 35:35
  Yeah. Awesome.
• 35:37
  All right, that was probably where I was going next, so let's
• 35:47
  see if I got a couple of Let me try one of these.
• 35:55
  This is hardcore songs. How about Help the Aged?
• 35:59
  Yeah. Hey, yes, Yep.
• 36:03
  No, sorry. I I should have had that one.
• 36:06
  All right. I'll take the three there
• 36:07
  though. Yeah.
• 36:10
  I'll take the three. Boom and boom.
• 36:14
  Ken, I'm sorry, I I I love getting some of these lyrics
• 36:18
  out. So can I just want to say Help
• 36:19
  the Aged one time. They they're just just like you,
• 36:23
  smoking, drinking, smoking cigs and slipping glue.
• 36:28
  Oh, good. Yeah, All right.
• 36:32
  Help the agent gets a three. Color me shocked.
• 36:36
  I mean, not really because it's a good song, just the way I've
• 36:40
  been going. So.
• 36:41
  Yeah. All right, Adam.
• 36:45
  OK, so I'm going to go for another early one that I think
• 36:49
  was a real banger off of his and hers, which is definitely one
• 36:55
  that we could put on at parties if people get sick of common
• 36:58
  people. And that is, do you remember
• 37:01
  the? Do you remember the first time?
• 37:03
  Yes. That's a great.
• 37:05
  Song. Yeah, that's another unanimous.
• 37:08
  Nice. Wow, that's a surprise.
• 37:11
  It's also a it would be even if we had a fifth person unanimous.
• 37:17
  So awesome So. Good.
• 37:20
  Yeah, so good. Let me get that going here
• 37:24
  underneath for a second. No notes from that, just that he
• 37:31
  had it and we're sitting at Jenny's three.
• 37:36
  No pressure Jenny, you are up. OK, let's see how I can ruin it
• 37:44
  now. Let's see OK so when I first
• 37:49
  started listening to more, I had never heard that 1 yet and and I
• 37:54
  wasn't sure how I felt about it at first.
• 37:56
  It, it, I don't know, it just didn't.
• 37:59
  It just didn't fit to me. And I'm sure if I listen to it a
• 38:02
  few more times, I'm going to warm up a little bit more.
• 38:04
  But the first one that really caught my attention was Got to
• 38:11
  Have Love. Yeah, I got it.
• 38:17
  No, that's a beautiful song. No, I don't have it, but it's a
• 38:22
  good. Thought honestly one of the
• 38:24
  things I liked about it and this this really sums up Pulp to me,
• 38:27
  is that he's singing about love and like how how important love
• 38:30
  is. Without love you're just jerking
• 38:32
  off inside somebody else. I was like holy shit.
• 38:36
  Yeah, what a lot I thought about that.
• 38:39
  Yeah, I I'm pretty sure that was the line that was made me go,
• 38:42
  oh, I have to have this. Yeah, just just pure poetry.
• 38:50
  All right, we'll take that too. It gets to hang around at least
• 38:55
  for a couple more rounds, Gavin. But one of the the cool thing
• 39:01
  about Pulp, like if you were like kind of watching them in
• 39:05
  real time, which I wasn't really tracking them in real time, but
• 39:08
  the people who are fans from the beginning, it like it must have
• 39:12
  been so cool to just watch them. Like by the time you hit
• 39:18
  different class, like where they really become themselves, you
• 39:23
  know, it's like all those elements that we talked about
• 39:25
  are floating out there and they're they're getting more and
• 39:28
  more pronounced and you kind of see them taking form, but
• 39:32
  they're still kind of awkward. And then they just fucking like,
• 39:38
  understand who they are all of a sudden, like step in And it's
• 39:43
  just like, so it's such a cool thing to root for a band and
• 39:48
  you're just kind of rooting for them to like, achieve their true
• 39:54
  identity. And the songs become more
• 39:56
  complex too. And like, yeah, it's just it's a
• 40:01
  cool thing to like, root for. It's kind of like rooting for
• 40:06
  your kid to like become them self or something, you know?
• 40:09
  But I took Bar Italia, the last song of different class.
• 40:16
  Can't save you there. I had a feeling you would take
• 40:21
  that for some reason and I, I it was so it was in and out and in
• 40:25
  and out and unfortunately it ended up out for me.
• 40:27
  But such a great song. Yeah, that one that.
• 40:31
  Was definitely. A victim of me holding different
• 40:34
  class to a higher standard than some of the other albums.
• 40:37
  Like it was like, do I really? Do I really need to pick every
• 40:40
  song from this album? Yeah.
• 40:42
  Yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah.
• 40:45
  Totally get that. Yeah, I can't save you, so into
• 40:49
  the bin unfortunately. All right, let me try a
• 40:56
  different class track as well. How about misshapes?
• 41:03
  Yes. No.
• 41:06
  Sorry. Well, the three's really good at
• 41:11
  this point in the game. We'll take another three.
• 41:14
  Boom, boom, boom. That's a great song about, you
• 41:18
  know, class war and just the marginalized.
• 41:21
  And it's just, it's a, it's such a a banger.
• 41:24
  It's a it's great way to kick an album off, too.
• 41:28
  Totally. Yeah, all.
• 41:31
  Right, we'll take that three and we'll move on, Adam.
• 41:35
  OK so I'm not Jesus, though I had the same initials.
• 41:43
  So the opening line from a song off of this is hardcore called
• 41:47
  Dishes no? No, there's so.
• 41:53
  Many that like got my first pass and I'm just mad at myself.
• 41:57
  Oh really? OK, I love that one.
• 42:00
  It's one of my favourites. It talks about, you know, I
• 42:03
  tried to make this water wine but it's impossible.
• 42:06
  I've got to get these dishes dry.
• 42:07
  It's like, I almost feel like we talked before the show about
• 42:11
  Flight of the Conchords. Yeah, I reckon there's some
• 42:13
  lines in there that they would love to use.
• 42:16
  Yeah, he's such a comedian. He's such a comedian, isn't he?
• 42:18
  He's a real comedian. Yeah, yeah, that was one of my
• 42:22
  very last cuts. And I kept thinking, how did he
• 42:25
  take Jarvis till 1998 to sing about his initials being the
• 42:29
  same as Jesus, you know? And only he would do that.
• 42:34
  Like, it's such an audacious thing to do.
• 42:38
  Love it. All right, Jenny.
• 42:41
  Oh man, you know what I I surprisingly really, really
• 42:49
  liked? We Love Life, that one.
• 42:53
  That one I had not really spent a whole lot of time with before.
• 42:56
  And when I went through it, I was like, man, there's so many
• 42:59
  good songs on this and I probably picked at least one too
• 43:03
  many. But you know, you could be the
• 43:05
  judge of that. I'm going to go with the with
• 43:10
  Wicker band from that. Oh no.
• 43:13
  No cool song. No, I don't have it.
• 43:17
  It was definitely on my first pass.
• 43:21
  I wish I remembered what was on which pass so I could at least
• 43:25
  have that knowledge for for everybody to say when something
• 43:29
  went out, but I do not have any of that information currently.
• 43:33
  That's like their Garden album, right?
• 43:35
  Like it's like, it's like a one of those nature pastoral nature
• 43:39
  books or something, you know? Yes, yeah, that definitely spoke
• 43:43
  to me as well. Like it was felt very like
• 43:45
  organic, you know, and there's a lot of like just very like lush
• 43:50
  outdoorsy textures to it. Yeah, old Jenny Green thumb over
• 43:54
  there. Yeah.
• 43:57
  Well, yeah. Well, let's see.
• 43:59
  Next year. Let's see.
• 44:02
  All right, Gavin. I'll I'll meet you guys in the
• 44:07
  garden. So I have I took the birds in
• 44:11
  your garden off. We love life.
• 44:13
  No yes, great song. Nice, that was not one of the
• 44:18
  ones I picked, but man, no. We'll take a two there.
• 44:23
  That's all right. Twos are good at this point.
• 44:27
  Yeah, actually, at this point twos are still in.
• 44:31
  So I mean, there's still game game play left, but I mean,
• 44:37
  fine, I'll, I'll trot one of those out too.
• 44:42
  How about how about the trees? Yes.
• 44:48
  Hey, yes, hey. Oh.
• 44:51
  OK, I'll take that three. That's that was a shocking 3 for
• 44:55
  me. Boom.
• 44:57
  And yeah. I think that's the one I was
• 45:00
  gonna pick on the last round and I didn't see it on the list.
• 45:02
  I was like, what the fuck is that song?
• 45:04
  Yeah, there it is. The the lyrics on that again,
• 45:09
  he's very like dry, sarcastic humor.
• 45:14
  He's just like singing about the these useless fucking trees that
• 45:17
  gave him the breath and his lungs.
• 45:19
  I was like, this is hilarious, like, but it doesn't, it doesn't
• 45:23
  come across as like a novelty song.
• 45:26
  He's just, he's just so sarcastic and just dry like I, I
• 45:31
  absolutely love it. And just like that NTP is dead,
• 45:35
  there's we're not going to have to pick out of the trash to get
• 45:39
  to round out our list. So I mean, if worst case
• 45:44
  scenario is everything that we have goes in right now.
• 45:47
  So all right, Adam, one of the things I love about Jarvis Poker
• 45:55
  is some writing is his ability to to evoke a scene fairly
• 46:02
  quickly in his writing. So you suddenly feel like you're
• 46:04
  there. And when he does it really well,
• 46:07
  it's really powerful. And but I mean, this is a very
• 46:12
  sleazy song because he loves he loves sleaze, but I want to pick
• 46:15
  underwear off of a different class.
• 46:18
  Hell yeah. Damn it, no.
• 46:21
  I don't have it either, but I I want to point out that firstly,
• 46:27
  Matt had that as well. So like that would have been in
• 46:31
  there. And then it's one of the songs
• 46:33
  that Peter, you talked about Peter earlier.
• 46:36
  He's he specifically put that on on his list when when he
• 46:40
  answered the question if I would have had.
• 46:45
  Yeah, yeah. Sometimes, I mean, it's sort of
• 46:48
  a sad song. It's a bit, I don't know fully
• 46:51
  the lyrics, but it's like, how did how the hell?
• 46:55
  Well, I think it's horrible, you know?
• 46:56
  It's, it's, yeah. He's he's, he's putting on the
• 47:00
  tropes of like, sleeves and everything, but it's like, it's
• 47:04
  a really sweet, sad song. Yeah.
• 47:07
  I mean, how the hell did you get that?
• 47:08
  Get here in somebody else's bedroom in your underwear?
• 47:12
  So that's it's kind of just, it paints a kind of icky picture
• 47:17
  really. But but it's, it gets A2 gets to
• 47:23
  hang around for a little bit. All right, Jenny.
• 47:26
  Oh. Shit, you know what I don't?
• 47:33
  I don't feel good about this one, but I'm going to name it
• 47:35
  anyway. I spy from different class.
• 47:42
  No, no, I don't have it. So Baratalia and I spy the two
• 47:47
  that I couldn't fit in. So I It's such a good song,
• 47:51
  Jenny. Yeah.
• 47:54
  It's it's a little bit of a different vibe from from what?
• 47:58
  Yeah, it on everything else. Like, you know, a lot of it has
• 48:00
  that sleazy this this has a little bit of that, but like,
• 48:04
  it's more like vengeful and like, you know, he's like, he's
• 48:08
  he's coming to get somebody, you know.
• 48:11
  And I know there's something about the way that he delivers
• 48:15
  the lyrics that always reminded me of like Pink Floyd, The Wall,
• 48:20
  like some of those those songs. Were.
• 48:22
  Like kind of shouting and just it's it's a very deep emotion
• 48:27
  that he's letting out in these lyrics.
• 48:29
  And I just always found it like really just striking.
• 48:34
  I guess. I'm glad I.
• 48:37
  Mentioned, I feel like it could fit in a Bond movie as well.
• 48:40
  It's got that kind of mystery about it.
• 48:42
  Yeah, yeah. I don't know if this makes you
• 48:45
  feel better, but Matt could have saved you from the bin because
• 48:49
  he had it on his list as well. Thanks, Matt.
• 48:54
  All right, Gavin. I've never heard those B sides
• 49:00
  from This is Hardcore Adam that you put on the list.
• 49:04
  I took cocaine socialism. It's so good.
• 49:07
  That's a banger. I haven't.
• 49:10
  Hey, All right. I don't.
• 49:13
  Wow, awesome. I'm glad you guys have it
• 49:15
  because I I'm and I wasn't really familiar with that
• 49:18
  actually, but I, I put it on because I, I read some good
• 49:21
  stuff about it and it was close for me, but couldn't get there,
• 49:24
  unfortunately. Yeah, I can get the two.
• 49:27
  I can say that that was a close cut for me.
• 49:32
  I do remember that one being pretty late for me.
• 49:37
  I mean, it's got cocaine in the title.
• 49:39
  Of course I was going to give it another lesson.
• 49:44
  So all right, let me try one of my more tracks.
• 49:52
  I think we're getting to the we're almost a dump out.
• 49:54
  I think maybe a couple more rounds here.
• 49:57
  Let me try one of my more tracks.
• 49:59
  How about Spike Island? Yes.
• 50:06
  No, that was the single. Oh yeah, I like it.
• 50:09
  Figures, that figures. I'll take the two.
• 50:13
  There it is an answer I got even though that didn't.
• 50:16
  Yeah, it's good it didn't. That didn't weigh on on my list
• 50:21
  and Matt also had it. So that's why it, you know,
• 50:25
  that's in part why I didn't make any last minute changes because,
• 50:30
  you know, but I, I would normally wait until later to put
• 50:35
  this kind of information out there.
• 50:36
  But 15 of my 20 songs were mentioned by, by people that
• 50:42
  answered the question on Yeah. So I, I felt kind of good about
• 50:48
  my list going in. And then one of the five songs
• 50:51
  that didn't get answered, Matt had on his list.
• 50:55
  So like. 16 out of 20 meant I was in the ballpark.
• 51:00
  So yeah, Spike Island, I'm. Surprised you got that much
• 51:04
  feedback on this one. I know, right?
• 51:07
  All right, so Spike Island gets a 2 and it will hang around
• 51:12
  Adam. OK, I'm gonna have to pick this
• 51:15
  song because I don't think it deserves to be in a dump out
• 51:19
  section of our pod. And it is a nostalgic song for
• 51:24
  me, and it's definitely one that gets people in the dance floor
• 51:27
  when me and my old, my old mates are having a party.
• 51:32
  So Disco 2000. Yeah.
• 51:35
  OK. Yeah.
• 51:36
  Hey, there we go. Disco 2000.
• 51:40
  Jenny. Jenny, do you have it?
• 51:42
  Yeah. Oh, great, excellent and great
• 51:46
  song. Yeah.
• 51:47
  And then again, just for for note keeping purposes, anybody
• 51:51
  who is keeping tabs, Matt had that as well.
• 51:56
  Excellent. So we, we would have gotten that
• 51:58
  one either way. Get that cued here underneath.
• 52:05
  Even though the powers that be don't like it when I do that,
• 52:10
  they they get mad at me. And I mean, unfortunately that
• 52:15
  does boot your three out. We're going to at least end with
• 52:20
  four here, so. Pressure's off.
• 52:23
  Pressure's off. That's right.
• 52:25
  I mean, at least you look at it the same way I do.
• 52:29
  I mean, I definitely would have like put in something that
• 52:31
  nobody wanted in that list my. God.
• 52:36
  All right, Jenny. Oh, it's on me.
• 52:43
  So I'm going to go with Love is Blind from Separations, yes.
• 52:51
  Hey. I just swapped it out or another
• 52:57
  another another song on that one on the same album, which maybe
• 53:01
  I'll bring up a bit later, but sorry.
• 53:04
  Not like a good song though. I'll take that too.
• 53:07
  It's as I was listening to it, he, you know, it's there's love
• 53:11
  and there's all the normal type things.
• 53:14
  And then he's just like, I'm gonna RIP out your eyes and
• 53:18
  you're gonna RIP up your face or whatever.
• 53:19
  I was like, what the fuck? And I like kind of reeled it
• 53:23
  back and listened again. I was like, yeah, that's that's
• 53:25
  what he said. OK, cool.
• 53:26
  Yeah. All right, Love is blind with
• 53:36
  Jenny. So, Gavin.
• 53:39
  So just like a historical note, Pulp was from Sheffield, which
• 53:47
  is like a really industrial, I think it was like a shipbuilding
• 53:56
  city in the north of England, real Gray, a lot of like
• 53:59
  factories. And smoke stacks and.
• 54:01
  Stuff And that's where for my new waivers out there, like
• 54:05
  Adam, that that's where, you know, they so pulp when they
• 54:08
  were they were like listening to the other bands in their town.
• 54:13
  The Human League came from Sheffield and M17 and ABC and
• 54:18
  Cabaret Voltaire, all these really cool, like weird 80s
• 54:21
  bands that that and most of them were like electronic.
• 54:26
  It was kind of one of the first cities in England to kind of
• 54:29
  eschew the guitar and like move to synthesizers and strange
• 54:35
  noise music, probably from the factory element, you know.
• 54:39
  But yeah, it's just kind of they came out of a real working
• 54:42
  class, like study chimney sweep kind of background.
• 54:49
  And yeah, and this sounds like that to me.
• 54:52
  I took I'm a man off of this is hardcore.
• 54:54
  Yeah. I love the the background that
• 55:01
  you don't, but I don't have it unfortunately.
• 55:04
  That's where I was going next. You you took my answer so.
• 55:09
  Jenny doesn't have. It no, sorry.
• 55:11
  We'll take a two. We'll take a two there.
• 55:14
  Some some of these twos look like they might get in.
• 55:19
  We got a bunch of them, but looks like they might all right
• 55:23
  back around to me. I was thinking that this is our
• 55:25
  last round and then we'll dump out after this one.
• 55:35
  Let me go back up to the top here.
• 55:38
  How about don't you want me anymore?
• 55:42
  No. Emphatically, emphatically, no
• 55:47
  one does. Matt would have saved me.
• 55:53
  He had it as well on his list. He could have saved me from the
• 55:56
  bin. Thank you for having my back
• 55:58
  Matt. I appreciate it.
• 56:00
  All right, that's. A good guy.
• 56:01
  Yeah, that meant what? A character, Adam.
• 56:07
  So I just want to talk a little bit about it's already mentioned
• 56:10
  a bit, but so Pop started when when Jarvis Cocker was 15, he
• 56:16
  was at school and I was reading online that they actually gave
• 56:21
  the bang and another name was called Arabicus Pope after a
• 56:26
  tradable commodity. Did you read this on after a
• 56:29
  tradable commodity that he learnt in his economics class so
• 56:33
  and then later changed it So right through I feel like to me
• 56:39
  Pope as I know them and love them were kind of born in that
• 56:42
  second-half of separation, which I felt I actually fell in love
• 56:46
  with for this listen. And so I ended up swapping Love
• 56:50
  is Blind out because I felt like I really had to have death too
• 56:56
  in there. I just absolutely love it.
• 56:58
  I love that song. It's got to be a whiff, I know,
• 57:03
  but there you go. I.
• 57:04
  Love the 8 from. Yeah.
• 57:08
  Deaf. Sorry.
• 57:09
  Deaf to me. Yeah.
• 57:10
  Can't see. Yeah, sorry.
• 57:14
  Good thing I swapped something out that would have helped you
• 57:16
  out. Jenny.
• 57:17
  I'm sorry. It's OK, You know what?
• 57:21
  We we all made choices on the show.
• 57:23
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, we all make them.
• 57:26
  All right, Jenny. All right, so I think I'm gonna
• 57:31
  I'm gonna steal Gavin's intro from his last song and apply it
• 57:35
  to mine also because I felt like this song was really like AI
• 57:41
  don't know, like a tribute, if you will, to their hometown or
• 57:45
  their home, home country, the Hymn of the North.
• 57:52
  No. No.
• 57:54
  Damn. I mean, it's, it's definitely,
• 57:59
  you know, they're, they're talking about the, the factories
• 58:02
  and the Northern Lights and. You know, just.
• 58:05
  Going home to, they don't explicitly say that's where it
• 58:09
  is, but you know, especially with what everything we were
• 58:13
  just talking about, I think that that really seems to tie in with
• 58:17
  that. So yeah.
• 58:20
  All right, Gavin. You guys know he dated Chloe
• 58:24
  Sabina? Damn.
• 58:27
  Son, that doesn't shock me. Surprisingly like.
• 58:30
  Yeah, like that's a good couple. Is it a a shorter list of who we
• 58:35
  didn't date? Maybe.
• 58:40
  She seems right up his alley, though.
• 58:42
  Yeah, I took glory days off. This is hard for him.
• 58:47
  No, no, no. It was.
• 58:53
  It was all around the place. It was in my maybe 25 or
• 58:57
  something like that I reckon. Yeah.
• 59:00
  All right, so let me shift this and then I'll run through these
• 59:06
  and see if we can't get a couple more into this difficult ass
• 59:10
  next round of conversations we're about to have, starting
• 59:16
  from how about Joyriders? No, Nope.
• 59:22
  No, OK, that's another one. Matt would have saved me.
• 59:27
  Moving to this is hardcore. How about the fear?
• 59:33
  Oh. That one.
• 59:34
  No, no, but I I almost put it in today, actually, but I couldn't
• 59:38
  work out where to what to do. Yeah.
• 59:43
  All right. How about a little soul?
• 59:47
  Oh, I have that one. Hey.
• 59:50
  No, I'll. Take it there, I'll.
• 59:52
  Take. How's the single?
• 59:54
  Oh, that fucking figures. Scroll up.
• 1:00:01
  How about moving on to We Love Life weeds?
• 1:00:06
  No, yes. No, no, I love life.
• 1:00:15
  No. No, OK, I did not.
• 1:00:20
  Especially when you have to say no this many times.
• 1:00:25
  Last but not least, I've got razzmatazz.
• 1:00:29
  Yes, not. How the fuck I really thought
• 1:00:34
  that I had? That's a great song.
• 1:00:36
  You know what? OK, I I do have it.
• 1:00:39
  I do, I, I fucked up. So I got to find something to
• 1:00:42
  cut real quick. OK, OK, pressures on.
• 1:00:47
  We'll take a three. That's a single.
• 1:00:50
  Oh, OK. A non album single from 93.
• 1:00:55
  Yeah, we'll take a three. That's good.
• 1:01:01
  Boom, boom, boom. All right.
• 1:01:02
  Yeah. And I read, I actually read it
• 1:01:04
  was about an ex-girlfriend. Yeah.
• 1:01:08
  Lyrics are horrendous. It's like.
• 1:01:10
  Yeah, she kind of. Put two and two together that it
• 1:01:12
  was about her and he said, I hope there's no hard feelings.
• 1:01:17
  You know the trouble trouble with your brother is he's always
• 1:01:20
  sleeping with your mother. Jerry Springer show.
• 1:01:25
  Yeah, great. So that means we're going to be
• 1:01:30
  at the four for unanimous, which means none of us are going to
• 1:01:33
  win, which means we're going to have to talk our way out of it.
• 1:01:37
  But you guys can all make the conversation a little bit
• 1:01:41
  harder, starting with you, Adam. OK, I'm kind of devastated.
• 1:01:46
  I don't think we have anything on separations.
• 1:01:48
  So over the last shot there countdown.
• 1:01:52
  No. OK, pink glove off of his and
• 1:01:58
  hers. Hell yeah, that's amazing.
• 1:02:03
  Yeah, the two something something changed off different
• 1:02:12
  class. No.
• 1:02:15
  OK, let me make sure I didn't fuck up something else.
• 1:02:19
  No, my note on that literally says I cannot add the entire
• 1:02:22
  album. Yeah, then I'm down.
• 1:02:29
  I'm down to my last one, which is offer more.
• 1:02:33
  Yeah. And I really like a lot of the
• 1:02:35
  song. I really like the strings in
• 1:02:38
  Tina. No.
• 1:02:42
  Which one was that, Tina? Tina.
• 1:02:44
  Tina, I don't have. It all right, you can make it a
• 1:02:52
  little bit more tough here, Jenny.
• 1:02:58
  Probably not. It's fine, it's fine.
• 1:03:01
  David's last summer from his and hers.
• 1:03:04
  No that. Was like literally my last one
• 1:03:07
  that I added Separations title track.
• 1:03:12
  Yes, that's a great song. Yes, that's my favorite song on
• 1:03:16
  that record. Yes, OK.
• 1:03:19
  I'm going to push for that one. Oh great, next one.
• 1:03:22
  Can I have something on that one?
• 1:03:23
  Yeah, exactly. Someone like the moon?
• 1:03:29
  No. Sunrise, Moon and Sun.
• 1:03:33
  I have Sunrise too. Yeah.
• 1:03:34
  Off We Love Life. Yeah, that's a great song too.
• 1:03:38
  That's the closer off that record all.
• 1:03:41
  Right sunrise. What was the moon?
• 1:03:43
  What was the moon song on? Someone like the moon on his and
• 1:03:46
  hers. Oh, OK, gotcha.
• 1:03:49
  Boom and boom, get that too. And then just for shits and
• 1:03:54
  gigs, Gavin. Yeah, the Adam, the B side, the
• 1:03:59
  other B side you put on the list like a friend is now like one of
• 1:04:02
  my top three Pulp songs ever, like.
• 1:04:05
  Wow, really? It's so fucking good.
• 1:04:09
  I would encourage anybody to give that a spin I took.
• 1:04:14
  I like listen to it. Yeah, it's so great.
• 1:04:18
  I mean, maybe I love it. I have a complicated friendship
• 1:04:21
  like that, that like he describes.
• 1:04:23
  It's great. It's like it's like a Mr. Missus
• 1:04:27
  Smith where he's just like you're a disaster and like it's
• 1:04:31
  like they're killing each other. And then at the end he says it's
• 1:04:34
  lucky for you that we're friends.
• 1:04:37
  It's so good. I took AI took Monday morning
• 1:04:40
  off different class. I took Sylvia off This is
• 1:04:45
  hardcore, and I took TV movie off This is hardcore.
• 1:04:50
  All right, but I've I want to sit say at this point before we
• 1:04:57
  start running things down, I heard I can't take all of
• 1:05:00
  different class several times from several different
• 1:05:03
  panelists. I want to point out that Matt
• 1:05:07
  did Matt. Did the whole album.
• 1:05:12
  Yeah, Matt took everything off of off of different class Any
• 1:05:19
  his message. He he said he was actually kind
• 1:05:21
  of shocked, like he was like, I didn't expect that.
• 1:05:26
  So has anyone ever done that before in the history of the
• 1:05:28
  show? Yeah, John, I can't remember the
• 1:05:32
  band. John did that with some band.
• 1:05:35
  Like he slow he slow rolled it. He didn't tell us until we were
• 1:05:39
  like getting ready to do like the last the last round or
• 1:05:43
  something. And he's like, I don't know if
• 1:05:45
  you guys noticed, I picked the entire the entire thing.
• 1:05:50
  Oh my God. I.
• 1:05:50
  Mean there's nothing wrong with different classes it's just an
• 1:05:53
  unbelievable album so yeah some something wrong with that some
• 1:05:56
  bands it be that way like sometimes that is the legit
• 1:06:01
  answer is is an entire record should be at least in the
• 1:06:05
  conversation somewhere. So all right, so we got 4
• 1:06:09
  through Common people babies. Do you remember the first time
• 1:06:12
  and Disco 2000 are in 1234. There's four threes.
• 1:06:21
  Healthy agent misshapes, the trees, razzmatazz.
• 1:06:26
  That leaves two of the twos. You know, up for debate.
• 1:06:30
  Do we just take the threes or do we select some of these threes
• 1:06:35
  and then move on to the twos? I'm going to say I'm good with
• 1:06:42
  letting go of Razzmatazz, actually.
• 1:06:44
  Yeah. It feels like it kind of fits in
• 1:06:47
  that same era of like everything else that we already have.
• 1:06:51
  So and it it doesn't feel strong compared to some of these other
• 1:06:55
  threes and twos that we have. Ray, I'm happy.
• 1:06:58
  I'm happy with that. And it's really his and hers.
• 1:07:01
  It's the his and hers era and we've got 2 already off of his
• 1:07:04
  and hers, haven't we? Yeah.
• 1:07:07
  So I I think that's a good decision.
• 1:07:09
  OK, so we will drop razzmatazz. Does that mean open the
• 1:07:14
  discussion on the other threes or the other threes are in well
• 1:07:19
  coming? You got through them again?
• 1:07:20
  Sure. So the threes are healthy aged
• 1:07:22
  misshapes in the trees. We have nothing off this is
• 1:07:27
  hardcore right now, so help the agent is off this is hardcore.
• 1:07:31
  That has to go in. And I, I like that one a lot.
• 1:07:34
  I I. Was the one that missed.
• 1:07:35
  On that. It's great.
• 1:07:38
  Let's get that boom. All right.
• 1:07:42
  Misshapes would be yeah, different class, which would put
• 1:07:47
  us at 3 for that record. That being said, I think it,
• 1:07:53
  judging from Matt, had the entire record several times.
• 1:07:57
  Several people said that they could have taken the entire
• 1:07:59
  record. You know, do we want to make
• 1:08:03
  sure everything's represented first and then come back to that
• 1:08:07
  or should it be in I think we come back.
• 1:08:12
  I I want to go through the twos, I think just to see what there's
• 1:08:15
  a couple in twos that I'm really passionate about and I'm not
• 1:08:18
  sure about others might have feel the same way.
• 1:08:21
  I would go ahead and say that I would really like to see
• 1:08:24
  separations up there, since there's nothing from separations
• 1:08:27
  at all. OK.
• 1:08:29
  Yeah, I'd be down. For that, bring that in to the
• 1:08:32
  conversation. Yeah, either either that or just
• 1:08:36
  push it through. But I mean I I'm biased because
• 1:08:38
  I had it so. Well, let's see the the only
• 1:08:43
  other one in this round. No, we've got.
• 1:08:48
  Yeah, there's only the two. So it's.
• 1:08:50
  Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's Love
• 1:08:52
  is Blind also. Right.
• 1:08:54
  So I mean, do you would separations be the preference
• 1:08:58
  over love is blind? Not for me, I think.
• 1:09:03
  So Oh no. But I don't mind I I just want
• 1:09:07
  something represented. But if I was, if I had to pick,
• 1:09:10
  it would be Love is Blind. OK, well had love is.
• 1:09:15
  Blind love is Blind was me and Jenny, and then separations was
• 1:09:19
  you and Jenny. Yeah.
• 1:09:23
  Love is Blind was not like this when I woke up this morning, so
• 1:09:28
  yeah. I don't care.
• 1:09:30
  I like separations better than Love is Blind, but I I'm not
• 1:09:33
  going to die on that hill. It's not that.
• 1:09:37
  It's not that big of a distinction for me.
• 1:09:39
  OK. I mean, as long as we save room
• 1:09:43
  for at least one of them, we can always come back to that.
• 1:09:48
  Yeah. I'm fine with that.
• 1:09:50
  OK, so let's tackle We love life.
• 1:09:54
  So the trees is the one with a three, Weeds has 2 and so does
• 1:10:01
  sunrise. And the birds in your garden.
• 1:10:04
  The birds in your garden also has a 2.
• 1:10:08
  How many spots are left? 123 We still have 5.
• 1:10:15
  OK, what are what are people thinking?
• 1:10:21
  I mean, the trees have got 3 so I'm happy.
• 1:10:24
  I'd be happy to do that. But.
• 1:10:25
  Yeah. And I think that's my favorite
• 1:10:27
  one out of those picks also. We can do that.
• 1:10:32
  All right, so let's grab the trees and then, I mean, again,
• 1:10:38
  this doesn't necessarily kill off any of the other Wheel of
• 1:10:41
  Life ones, but now we know we've got that covered.
• 1:10:44
  It's in. Yeah.
• 1:10:46
  Yeah. So if if something is strong
• 1:10:48
  enough to to swim, then it can. All right.
• 1:10:51
  What else hasn't been covered? We've got different classes and
• 1:10:54
  hers. We've got one from This is
• 1:10:56
  Hardcore, which feels criminally low.
• 1:10:59
  Yeah. We have to come back to that
• 1:11:06
  more have we got? We haven't got anything of more.
• 1:11:10
  Oh that's right. Got to have Love and Spike
• 1:11:13
  Island are the 2 that are still around.
• 1:11:17
  Obviously this this feels like a Alt A1 or the other situation.
• 1:11:23
  Spike Island. What were you going to say,
• 1:11:26
  Adam? I mean, I would pick that one
• 1:11:30
  because that was on my list, but I'm happy with either of them
• 1:11:32
  because I think it's such a, it's a very good album.
• 1:11:36
  Like it's really, it's not a lot of bad stuff on it.
• 1:11:38
  So just something to represent, something to be represented on
• 1:11:42
  there for people to know that they're still making good music.
• 1:11:46
  Yeah, I mean. It looks, it looks like Matt had
• 1:11:49
  that one also. Yeah.
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  Oh yeah, let's do that. Yeah, OK, All right.
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  So Doompa Doom. So that covers more.
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  So that covers everything, right?
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  We have something from everything now.
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  Now we can kind of fill out the last what is it 3 with?
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  Just we don't have. We didn't decide the separation.
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  Sorry. So we need to do that next.
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  I'm happy to go with separations if that's where you're both
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  feeling OK with that. Oh, sorry.
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  All three of you will fill in that way.
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  Which one did you like better, Jenny?
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  You're the you had both of them, right?
• 1:12:29
  Yeah, I had both of them. So I, I it's really hard to
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  choose. You know, earlier I said
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  separations, but I, I almost feel like love is blind.
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  Maybe. God, somebody just tell me what
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  to choose. I can't.
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  Think. Choose Life.
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  What would you choose, Doctor? Well, see, this is the hard
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  part, because I had Love is blind.
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  I didn't have separations. Yeah, me, me too.
• 1:13:00
  Well, I did until I killed it with death too.
• 1:13:03
  Quite funny. Quite erotic, really.
• 1:13:05
  Yeah. I'm trying to.
• 1:13:06
  I'm trying to think of like, do we just take just a good track
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  here versus something that because clearly love is blind
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  worked on me? Like if I, if I'm recalling
• 1:13:19
  correctly, I know it's not the first Pulp track, but it is the
• 1:13:24
  first Pulp track that I listen to on this playlist.
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  And so it set me up for for what was coming.
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  We can do Love is blind. That's cool.
• 1:13:34
  Yeah, yeah, I'm fine with that, I think.
• 1:13:36
  Oh. My legendary girlfriend, if you
• 1:13:38
  want, you know, all good. Yeah, just joking.
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  Best title for a song ever. I know, it's so cuddy.
• 1:13:48
  All right? What does that take us up to?
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  Eight. Let me make sure before.
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  Yeah, eight. OK.
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  We have to go to. This is hardcore, don't we?
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  Now, I Yeah. I feel like we need at least at
• 1:14:06
  least one more. This is hardcore.
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  But we got I'm a man got 2. This is hardcore.
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  Yeah, this is hardcore. Got 2A little soul.
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  Got 2. The B side socialism yeah got 2
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  as well. This is hardcore is is
• 1:14:32
  definitely in my top two or three songs.
• 1:14:34
  Maybe my my my favorite SO. Well, then that that that takes
• 1:14:41
  precedent over my feelings about it.
• 1:14:44
  I mean, I didn't have that song, but I don't want to.
• 1:14:47
  If that's one of your top Pulp songs, that gives weight to it
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  for me. Yeah, I agree.
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  So let's grab this is hardcore. Are you OK with that, Jenny?
• 1:15:02
  Oh, absolutely. I mean, yeah, that's it's hard
• 1:15:06
  for me to say whether or not that's my one of my favorites,
• 1:15:09
  but it is definitely up there. Like when I think Pulp, it is
• 1:15:12
  like it feels like a very iconic song for me, for them.
• 1:15:18
  So I mean. And it's a good representation
• 1:15:20
  of the change of sound that they it was like a deliberate, we're
• 1:15:23
  not doing different class. We're doing this like, yeah, it
• 1:15:26
  sort of hit you in the face and like, wow, this is really lazy
• 1:15:31
  still. And but slower and less kind of,
• 1:15:35
  you know, just it's gritty. It's just got, I mean, the whole
• 1:15:38
  album's so good, but I just think it really begs for the
• 1:15:42
  album a little bit. It should be noted that Jenny
• 1:15:44
  was kind of shocked that it wasn't unanimous as as well when
• 1:15:48
  she put it on there. I, I would at least say I was
• 1:15:51
  very shocked that it wasn't like three of us.
• 1:15:55
  That one, that one really was like, Oh my God, what happened?
• 1:16:00
  What what happened? So we'll bump that one through.
• 1:16:04
  That brings us up to 9. And so now the conversation is
• 1:16:09
  this like just best track available or so go ahead.
• 1:16:17
  Justin I what you were saying about your man putting all the
• 1:16:20
  songs on, I mean, I think that class.
• 1:16:23
  I think that. Yeah.
• 1:16:26
  Different classes that are masterpiece.
• 1:16:28
  It's like it's, you know, widely regarded as their masterpiece.
• 1:16:33
  It was such an important record. I think that the last song
• 1:16:38
  should be off of different class because that would put that that
• 1:16:43
  would give us 3. So that would be the record that
• 1:16:45
  you have three off of, right? And then other riders have two
• 1:16:48
  and one off of them. Yeah, and 100% of grey with
• 1:16:52
  that. That's awesome.
• 1:16:53
  No problem. All right, So that that leaves
• 1:16:56
  us between Miss Shapes, which had a three or underwear which
• 1:17:01
  had a 2. Yeah, that's a tough one.
• 1:17:05
  I mean, yeah, it sounds like Miss Shapes is going to be the
• 1:17:08
  one in my heart. It's underwear.
• 1:17:10
  But Miss Shapes is a fucking great.
• 1:17:13
  That was a big song for them, you know?
• 1:17:15
  Yeah, and I was, I will now. I really wanted to put it and
• 1:17:19
  again, I couldn't put everything.
• 1:17:20
  So, you know, and Matt had it. I was literally the only one out
• 1:17:24
  on this one. So I feel like that's a, it's a
• 1:17:27
  no brainer to me all. Right, so let's let's grab miss
• 1:17:31
  shapes as our number 10. Let's run this down and then
• 1:17:33
  we'll crank the heat up and we can all get sweaty together.
• 1:17:36
  It'll be good. We got common people babies.
• 1:17:42
  Do you remember the first time Disco 2000, Help the Aged, the
• 1:17:45
  trees, Spike Island, Love is Blind, This is Hardcore and
• 1:17:49
  Misshapes as I read down those 10 Adam, which one do you think
• 1:17:54
  is the one? I'm so proud of our list.
• 1:17:58
  It's awesome. It's really good.
• 1:18:01
  We've covered we've covered all the big the big ones.
• 1:18:05
  What's the number one? I mean, I mean, obvious choice
• 1:18:10
  is common people, right, But do we go the obvious choice here or
• 1:18:17
  do we is that I don't know how well known that one is to in
• 1:18:22
  America and I know it's certainly pretty well known
• 1:18:24
  here, but I don't know if it wasn't the only.
• 1:18:28
  One that most people know, yeah. Yeah, I mean, maybe.
• 1:18:31
  Do you remember the first time? If I wanted to make a little bit
• 1:18:35
  of a battle, I would go between common people, just go 2000.
• 1:18:40
  And do you remember the first time?
• 1:18:42
  OK, It may be babies. Yeah, maybe.
• 1:18:47
  Maybe babies. Maybe half the list.
• 1:18:49
  It may be hard. This is hard for.
• 1:18:52
  And you need you need to shut me up by referring to someone else
• 1:18:55
  now, just so I'll just go through the list.
• 1:18:58
  What do you think, Jenny? So yeah, I think most people
• 1:19:04
  probably already know common people, even if they only know
• 1:19:07
  the Shatner version. And, you know, if you want to
• 1:19:10
  grab somebody with a different song that maybe they haven't
• 1:19:13
  heard before, I'm looking at do you remember the first time or
• 1:19:17
  Disco 2000? Because both of those like it's
• 1:19:20
  really, they're really catchy. It's very, it's very them and
• 1:19:24
  it's they're both just just fucking bangers.
• 1:19:28
  So. Absolute bangers.
• 1:19:31
  Man, yeah, those are those are my top 2 all.
• 1:19:34
  Right. What do you think, Gavin?
• 1:19:37
  I mean, I think it's common people all the way.
• 1:19:41
  I mean, I understand the argument.
• 1:19:42
  I, I don't think I'm thinking at the end of the year, the best of
• 1:19:47
  the year too. I think there's a lot of people
• 1:19:49
  that don't know that song. I mean, it was still an obscure
• 1:19:52
  weirdo song even though it it got some kind of like
• 1:19:57
  recognition in the underground in America.
• 1:20:02
  I mean, it's their Best Song. Yeah, look, that's a.
• 1:20:08
  That is a really good argument. It's their Best Song, right?
• 1:20:14
  I mean, it's their Best Song. Come on, you know what I mean.
• 1:20:18
  Yeah. I mean, you know, sometimes you
• 1:20:21
  overthink the room, you know what I mean?
• 1:20:22
  Like I'm not going to lie, Like I was looking at common people
• 1:20:27
  or babies. I mean, but.
• 1:20:32
  Go ahead, Sorry. No, I just like when you, when
• 1:20:37
  you listen to common people, you're like, what a fucking feat
• 1:20:42
  to like pull that song off, to write that song.
• 1:20:45
  Everything, the narrative, the story, the way the song builds
• 1:20:49
  the drama and then the end, which is just like you're
• 1:20:52
  smacking the roof of the car while you're driving.
• 1:20:55
  Like it's like so celebratory and like the whole stadium like
• 1:20:59
  lifts off the ground. It's like God damn, they fucking
• 1:21:03
  like built this machine like a God machine.
• 1:21:06
  You know, it's a perfect fucking song and.
• 1:21:10
  I you know, we you're right, like it just builds and builds
• 1:21:14
  and builds. And when you get a dance floor
• 1:21:15
  going of that song, like young and old get up and would dance
• 1:21:20
  to that song. Like, like next time you're ever
• 1:21:23
  in a situation where you want to get people moving, put it on
• 1:21:28
  because it it just it. I mean, it's not my favorite
• 1:21:32
  because I've played it too many times, but it is their it
• 1:21:35
  possibly is it is their best. I think it's.
• 1:21:38
  And it's as it the and the the crux of the song, what it's
• 1:21:42
  saying is so interesting and great.
• 1:21:46
  It's cheeky and it's funny and it's dramatic.
• 1:21:49
  But also it's just saying like the things that he's it gets you
• 1:21:54
  right in the heart too. It's a total heart song when
• 1:21:57
  he's saying, you know, all the things about us that like that,
• 1:22:01
  that they'll never have things that make our lives like worth
• 1:22:05
  living that they can't touch. And they're, it's just fucking
• 1:22:08
  beautiful too, you know? Dance and drink and screw
• 1:22:12
  because there's nothing else to do.
• 1:22:14
  Yeah. So I, I guess really, really the
• 1:22:18
  question comes down to is, is passing on common people
• 1:22:22
  overthinking the room? And is is, is it as well known
• 1:22:29
  as we think or do people only kind of know the Shatner
• 1:22:33
  version? I mean, are are there more Me's
• 1:22:36
  out there that only knew the Shatner version and didn't
• 1:22:40
  bother to kind of look into what it actually was?
• 1:22:43
  I don't even know what you're talking about with the Shatner
• 1:22:45
  version. There you go.
• 1:22:45
  I don't know what. You're talking.
• 1:22:48
  About wow, what is that? What I have to go and listen.
• 1:22:50
  But yeah, Bill Shatner did a record and he he covered common
• 1:22:54
  people. That's awesome.
• 1:22:57
  In his very like inevitable style, he's just, you know, over
• 1:23:02
  dramatizing everything and and Jarvis sings like kind of the
• 1:23:07
  the chorus, like he sings the background vocals on it.
• 1:23:11
  It you know he's he's in on the joke you.
• 1:23:13
  Know so yeah I guess to avoid overthinking the room let's go
• 1:23:19
  with common people. I, I think it's hard to go
• 1:23:22
  against everything that Gavin was saying.
• 1:23:25
  So common people's going to be our number one.
• 1:23:28
  Let me get that queued up underneath and I'll run through
• 1:23:33
  this one last go bomb. Come on, I've just been watching
• 1:23:40
  the video while we were talking to like it's, it's so beautiful.
• 1:23:45
  Yeah. All right, so we've got common
• 1:23:47
  people is our number one babies. Do you remember the first time
• 1:23:49
  disco 2000 Help the Aged, the trees, spike Island love is
• 1:23:53
  blind. This is hardcore and misshapes
• 1:23:55
  rounds out our ten with that. Let's let common people get a
• 1:24:00
  moment in the sun and only a moment as I follow the law here.
• 1:24:08
  30 seconds time. I don't have 30 seconds time.
• 1:24:10
  Sorry there old JCI don't have that kind of time.
• 1:24:15
  I wish I could have let you play for a little longer.
• 1:24:17
  Hey, we did it. We turned you on to pulp.
• 1:24:19
  Maybe you're like me and you kind of heard the name and kind
• 1:24:22
  of semi knew about the band but never bothered to listen.
• 1:24:25
  Hey now you got a great excuse. There's a playlist for you and
• 1:24:28
  everything. And if you listen to those 10
• 1:24:31
  and still aren't exactly sold, go and gather all the other
• 1:24:34
  songs that we that we brought up today and bring those into a
• 1:24:38
  list and then listen to that. I recommend doing just listen to
• 1:24:42
  the albums that we listen to. If nothing else, different class
• 1:24:45
  should be like at the top of your list.
• 1:24:48
  Listen to that and then go from there.
• 1:24:50
  But hey, it's your world. You do what you want to do.
• 1:24:54
  Ain't nobody trying to tell you to do nothing, man, except I am
• 1:24:57
  trying to tell you to go to patreon.com/show.
• 1:24:59
  Hi, Justin, a dollar a month would get you in the door.
• 1:25:02
  It's it's only buck. I understand times is tough if
• 1:25:05
  you ain't got that, but if you do got a dollar a month gets you
• 1:25:08
  in the door, gets you deprogrammed before the rest of
• 1:25:10
  the world. It gets you the after the fact
• 1:25:12
  conversation that we're about to have the ever so rare.
• 1:25:15
  Oh, hi Justin podcast. Occasionally I go live on there.
• 1:25:19
  You know, I'm almost constantly braining ideas and usually
• 1:25:23
  Patreon is the place that gets those.
• 1:25:25
  If not, it's the Discord, the Legion of Stupid Discord, which
• 1:25:29
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• 1:25:33
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• 1:25:35
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• 1:25:40
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• 1:25:51
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• 1:25:55
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• 1:25:57
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• 1:26:03
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• 1:26:06
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• 1:26:09
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• 1:26:13
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• 1:26:16
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• 1:26:21
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• 1:26:28
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• 1:26:33
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• 1:26:36
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• 1:26:41
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• 1:26:46
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• 1:26:50
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• 1:26:56
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