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M and M EXTRA June 19, 2026 Special Father’s Day Edition · The M&M Experience

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to a meeting of the minds crafted from decades
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  Speaker 1: of talk show experience, an extension of the magic they've
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  Speaker 1: created together on radio in the phenomenon called M and
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  Speaker 1: M Hot Topics in the News and Wisdom from Life.
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  Speaker 1: It's Mark Davis and Mike Gallagher. This is eminem Extra.
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  Speaker 2: Yes it is, and it's for a Friday. It is
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  Speaker 2: for the nineteenth day of June twenty twenty six, and
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  Speaker 2: it's for the Friday that heads into Father's Day weekend.
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  Speaker 2: I'm one of the m's Mark Davis. That's the other M,
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  Speaker 2: Mike Gallagher. We are both sons, we are both dads,
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  Speaker 2: and we felt we do a little Father's Day maybe
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  Speaker 2: a couple of other things. You've got to wrap up
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  Speaker 2: the weekend news. It's been a pretty fascinating week. We've
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  Speaker 2: got a lot to cover, but I thought we do
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  Speaker 2: some stuff that's kind of dad related. Maybe an occasional
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  Speaker 2: dad joke, et cetera, et cetera. But so early, Happy
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  Speaker 2: Father's Day to you, my friend.
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  Speaker 3: Well, happy Father's Day to you as well. And I
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  Speaker 3: let me just start by first just bash in the
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  Speaker 3: gratitude I have over this brand new adventure we're on together.
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  Speaker 3: With this podcast, and that we've been talking about the
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  Speaker 3: feedback that you and I are getting. You're getting a
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  Speaker 3: ton of feedback as am I that while people love
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  Speaker 3: us breaking down the headlines and looking at the breaking
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  Speaker 3: news and Iran and the border and all the stuff
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  Speaker 3: that's happening, they also appreciate some of the personal stuff.
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  Speaker 3: They also appreciate a departure from the headlines. And that's
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  Speaker 3: why we thought today might be a nice experiment. Look,
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  Speaker 3: we're feeling our way a little bit here. We're learning this.
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  Speaker 3: This is a new adventure, and we hope you'll subscribe.
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  Speaker 3: We hope you're going to continue to stay with us.
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  Speaker 3: We're kind of creating I think a family an environment here.
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  Speaker 3: But people do love personal stories from people that they
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  Speaker 3: listen or watch every day. But I will admit something
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  Speaker 3: personal stories of my wife and my kids and the
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  Speaker 3: stuff that happens in my world. It's always been a
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  Speaker 3: part of what I've liked to do. I admittedly have
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  Speaker 3: done a little bit less of that over the last
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  Speaker 3: few years because the show, the Daily Talk Show has
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  Speaker 3: become more of a breaking news, headline driven, news driven
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  Speaker 3: kind of a show. But in my sort of formative years,
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  Speaker 3: I would do a lot of stories about personal you know,
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  Speaker 3: events in my life.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know?
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  Speaker 3: Is the single most consistent criticism I got from a
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  Speaker 3: number of managers that I worked for over the years.
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  Speaker 2: They didn't like it.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of managers, even in New York City didn't
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  Speaker 3: like it. No, don't go, don't get too personal. I
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  Speaker 3: smell consultants. I smell consultants.
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  Speaker 2: Am I really? I always wondered about it for those
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  Speaker 2: For those unfamiliar, if you work at a back a
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  Speaker 2: million years ago, and it was just showing up at
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  Speaker 2: a radio station and doing a show on one station
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  Speaker 2: that had a manager and blah blah blah. Sometimes you'd
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  Speaker 2: have a program director who had authority over I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you know, they wouldn't tell you how to do the
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  Speaker 2: show ideally, but they were responsible for the program content.
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  Speaker 2: Program director and for some weird reason, I guess they
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  Speaker 2: just thought that wasn't enough input. So they would hire
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  Speaker 2: a consultant too. They would come in and consult the
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  Speaker 2: station and tell the program director what to tell the talent.
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  Speaker 2: And on some occasions consultants have come up with things
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  Speaker 2: in my life, my long years of doing this, and
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  Speaker 2: you two have done it for a while that were
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  Speaker 2: pretty smart. Most times they were just so full of
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  Speaker 2: it it made me crazy. And I often completely ignored
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  Speaker 2: that advice. So so somebody read some stupid article somewhere
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  Speaker 2: that said that, you know, like stick to the news
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  Speaker 2: and by the way, if you spend long days if
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  Speaker 2: the world was changing, But I wouldn't do that. I
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  Speaker 2: never hear it makes you more human, it makes you
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  Speaker 2: more relatable. And I think that was stupid advice, and
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  Speaker 2: I hope you ignored it too well.
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  Speaker 3: I for the most part, I'm a pretty good team player,
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  Speaker 3: but I don't I'm not really good at being told
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  Speaker 3: what to do when it comes to what to what
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  Speaker 3: content to put on my show. But I loved telling
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  Speaker 3: when I was my first day and my first big
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  Speaker 3: radio gig, and I got to believe that your big
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  Speaker 3: breakthrough job was in Dallas at WBAP, the big No. No,
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  Speaker 3: I mean your first big, big station. I said, what
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  Speaker 3: was DC.
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  Speaker 2: It went went to d C in nineteen ninety Well
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  Speaker 2: you went station WRC in Washington, Oh, WRC, Yeah, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't, so I was. It was West Virginia, then
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  Speaker 2: Jacksonville and then WRC, then Memphis, and then I got
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  Speaker 2: to go to uh and for five minutes before I
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  Speaker 2: got fired. I was in the WTKN and Tampa and
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  Speaker 2: Saint Petersburg for nineteen ninety which so, but WRC would
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  Speaker 2: have been your big, like the big breakthrough job right
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  Speaker 2: then where I kept a job for more than two months.
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  Speaker 3: Correct, But Washington d c our Nation's capital doesn't get
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  Speaker 3: much betther than that. For me, it was New York
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  Speaker 3: City at WABC. A first dayboard well, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 3: but we're both no very comparable careers. But my first
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  Speaker 3: day I told the story about moving to New York
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  Speaker 3: City from Albany, New York, which is where I lived
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  Speaker 3: before I moved to New York. When I got the
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  Speaker 3: job at WABC, I have been doing afternoons at WGY
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  Speaker 3: at Albany, and I loaded up with my son Micah
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  Speaker 3: a rider, a big Honkin Rider truck, and we put
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  Speaker 3: furniture in the back. I got an apartment on the
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  Speaker 3: Upper east Side, and I didn't know what the hell
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  Speaker 3: I was doing. I mean, you know, I visited New
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  Speaker 3: York City all my life, but moving there and living there,
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  Speaker 3: I didn't even realize that living on the Upper east
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  Speaker 3: Side is stupid. When you work at Madison Square Garden
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  Speaker 3: because you got to go, you got to go Crosstown.
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  Speaker 3: I should have stayed on that side of Manhattan. I
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  Speaker 3: didn't know any better anyhow, Long story short, we got
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  Speaker 3: the rider truck and Denise and the kids were in
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  Speaker 3: one car. I was in the rider truck with Micah,
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  Speaker 3: one of our sons, and I took the rider truck
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  Speaker 3: down the Palisades Parkway. You're not allowed to have a
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  Speaker 3: truck on the Palisades Parkway. I'm driving this giant, you know,
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  Speaker 3: battleship rider truck down the Palisades park Parkway and people
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  Speaker 3: are like personally offended. They're honking at me, they're flipping
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  Speaker 3: me off, and I'm waving at them.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just waving back signs. Is there? What is there?
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  Speaker 2: Did they give you a clue that you're not supposed
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  Speaker 2: to have a truck on the Palatine Well.
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  Speaker 3: You're I'm sure there was a sign, but you can't
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  Speaker 3: have a truck on the Palisades Parkway. And here's dummy
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  Speaker 3: Mike and Micah Gallagher, like two dope dopes tooling down
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  Speaker 3: the Palisade. There was one guy tried to cut us off.
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  Speaker 3: He was like, I mean, they were so upset. People
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  Speaker 3: were like, you can't have a truck on the Palisades,
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  Speaker 3: And so it was. So I told that story on
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  Speaker 3: air my first day. Do you know, thirty years later,
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  Speaker 3: twenty years later, I get people who remember that story
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  Speaker 3: about how crazy it was that I took a truck
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  Speaker 3: on the Palisades Parkway.
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  Speaker 2: So there was so there was some radio management person
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  Speaker 2: somewhere who would have said that you were ignoring some
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  Speaker 2: some news story. Listen, it was I'm sure the show
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  Speaker 2: you did that day wasn't at the expense of stuff
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  Speaker 2: going on here. You just said, you know what, I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna tell some folks what happened to me today, and
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  Speaker 2: that it's relatability. That's what makes radio so personal and
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  Speaker 2: related to it, the intimacy of radio.
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  Speaker 3: Ah, you're right, And yes, there was a manager who said, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: to keep the personal stuff off the air, do the headlines,
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  Speaker 3: do the breaking, and it's like no, no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: People people enjoy it. So it's today with you because anybody, boy,
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  Speaker 2: pardon the way this sounds, anybody can do I don't
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  Speaker 2: mean anybody. Topics of the day is something that any smart,
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  Speaker 2: well spoken person can do, and maybe they're not in
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  Speaker 2: a large supply either. But when you throw in the
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  Speaker 2: things that are uniquely you, then it's uniquely you, and
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  Speaker 2: it's that's replaceable.
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  Speaker 3: So well, and here's the final takeaway on so do
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  Speaker 3: the inside baseball talk about what management or consultants like
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  Speaker 3: and what the audience likes. The biggest disconnect I've ever
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  Speaker 3: had in my forty plus years of doing this is
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  Speaker 3: managers and management saying we don't like those kind of
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  Speaker 3: personal stories, and listeners and audience members coming up and saying,
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  Speaker 3: it's the absolute most favorite thing that you ever have, doctor,
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  Speaker 3: is talking about your personal life, your stories, your kids,
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  Speaker 3: your wife, whatever is going on in your world. An
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  Speaker 3: airplane story, a travel story. It's what we love most
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  Speaker 3: about Mike Gallagher. So it's a disconnect that these consultants
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  Speaker 3: and managers have, Mark and you're right now, it's totally right.
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  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what thing is kus smoky New York
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  Speaker 2: radio consultant story. I promise we'll get to father's day
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  Speaker 2: here in a minute. Do you know are you familiar
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  Speaker 2: with the name Walter Sabo? Oh?
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  Speaker 3: I know Walter Well actually aka Walters Walter Sterling. He's
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  Speaker 3: now a talk show host. Exactly know that I do.
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  Speaker 3: And if forty forty How old is dude? Because forty
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  Speaker 3: years ago he was consulting a radio station I worked for,
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  Speaker 3: and I was WHBQ in Memphis in the mid eighties,
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  Speaker 3: and he rolled in and he was going to tell
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  Speaker 3: us how to do our talk shows better. I've been
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  Speaker 3: doing shows for like three four years. I'm twenty nine
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  Speaker 3: years old in Memphis, and I'm doing local Memphis politics,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm doing what's going on in the Reagan administration.
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  Speaker 3: I'm doing what's happening in the middle eighties. He's you know,
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  Speaker 3: you know Gaanafi and Libya and who knows what you
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  Speaker 3: know bub Ba Bum and local stories and have a
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  Speaker 3: little fun here, Memphis State Tigers, et cetera, et cetera.
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  Speaker 3: It's also known as what I've done my entire career.
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  Speaker 3: But a good amount of politics, good amount of breaking news.
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  Speaker 3: Walt comes in and says to our our staff we
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  Speaker 3: had it was also those days when we have an
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  Speaker 3: entire day full of local talk show hosts. Came in
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  Speaker 3: and told all of us stop doing all that stuff.
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  Speaker 3: What you need to be talking about right now would
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  Speaker 3: be and just keeping in mind this is roughly the
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  Speaker 3: mid eighties, you need to be talking about the New
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  Speaker 3: Coke and the Sean Penn Madonna marriage, and I was talking,
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  Speaker 3: how did the talk show host react to that? We,
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  Speaker 3: to a man ignored it completely, to our great to
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  Speaker 3: our great benefit. Now proving that Walt's not an idiot, though,
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  Speaker 3: it's not like he was wrong wrong, He was us
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  Speaker 3: wrong for us, et cetera, et cetera. He went up
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  Speaker 3: and founded this radio station. I think it was like
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  Speaker 3: New Jersey one oh one point five on a one
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  Speaker 3: point five.
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  Speaker 2: That's all they did. They said, you know, you don't
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  Speaker 2: you don't come to us for the Iran Memorandum of Understanding.
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  Speaker 2: You come to us for kind of lifestyle talk and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: We're doing a lot of sports. It's right here in DFW,
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  Speaker 2: a magnificent radio station called The Ticket. They're about half
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  Speaker 2: sports and half stuff. The dudes did that day. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and it's wonderful. So I totally totally get it well,
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  Speaker 2: and one on one five in Jersey was a big hit.
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  Speaker 2: Sure right, it worked, So it like he was wrong.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there are there are a lot there are
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  Speaker 2: a lot of ways to do this, Okay, so let's
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  Speaker 2: dive into this because this was your idea to kind
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  Speaker 2: of do a Father's Day episode here on this on this, uh,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Friday, June the nineteenth, twenty twenty six. Let's
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  Speaker 2: kind of preview Father's Day from our perspective as a son,
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  Speaker 2: as a father. And let me tell you my not
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  Speaker 2: my resistance, but my reluctance to to not reluctance, but
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  Speaker 2: the only thing. I'm a little cautious about my Father's Day.
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  Speaker 2: I was thinking about it driving into work. I thought, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: let's get my thoughts together, and Mark wants to and
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to have you start, by the way, so
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  Speaker 2: I can kind of follow your lead. But my Father's
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  Speaker 2: Day prism or my Father's Day narrative is a little rough.
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  Speaker 2: You know. I've had a.
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  Speaker 3: Really I had a pretty pretty rough childhood with my
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  Speaker 3: with my dad. And I'll get into this in a
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  Speaker 3: little bit here. I don't I'm but it's but I'm
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  Speaker 3: I'm reluctant because it's kind of morbid. Uh, it's sad.
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  Speaker 3: I have a sad story of my relationship with my
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  Speaker 3: own dad. And I'm so curious about your relationship with
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  Speaker 3: your dad. I've heard a little bit about it over
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  Speaker 3: the years from you, and it hasn't been easy as
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  Speaker 3: a dad myself with the loss of my wife and
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  Speaker 3: and our kids and me, so you know, it's I
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  Speaker 3: just don't want to bring everybody down. But on the
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  Speaker 3: other hand, life is life. Everybody's got a bag of rocks,
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  Speaker 3: and so let's let's dive in together and talk about it.
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  Speaker 3: And we'll have you start with maybe your relationship with
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  Speaker 3: your dad and what it feels like now to be
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  Speaker 3: the dad to these wonderful kids that you.
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  Speaker 2: Have happy to. And I actually texted Mike and they're
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  Speaker 2: sitting there looking at ideas of what to do for Friday.
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  Speaker 2: I said, listen, if there's things I know, but there
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  Speaker 2: are things I really don't know. And since the audience,
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  Speaker 2: as we've established, cares very much about you and cares
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  Speaker 2: about us as people, I said, well, we can either
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  Speaker 2: do this or not do this. I'll follow your lead completely.
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  Speaker 2: It's either a good idea or bad because I know
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  Speaker 2: you've been dealt a pretty challenging deck of cards, both
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  Speaker 2: in terms of your dad and what happened there and
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  Speaker 2: in terms of what you kind of inherited in terms
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  Speaker 2: of raising four kids. So you want to do this
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  Speaker 2: and you were just immediately game and said, yep, it's
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  Speaker 2: you know, and I think for everybody watching is I'll
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  Speaker 2: tell a little story of my dad and we'll just
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  Speaker 2: sort of back and forth, back and forth. Sure is
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  Speaker 2: that this is if this is like your first time
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  Speaker 2: hanging out with us, it's the nature of what we're
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  Speaker 2: going to do. If a news story or a situation
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  Speaker 2: or a topic is nothing but upbeat and uplifting, then great.
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  Speaker 2: If it is pre downtrodden and a little depressing, we're
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  Speaker 2: not going to shy away from it because it's called
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  Speaker 2: life and that's what we do. So every day is
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  Speaker 2: what makes every day different, and I hope that adds
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  Speaker 2: to our value. My dad was born in Seaboard, North Carolina,
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  Speaker 2: just over the Virginia border, in November tenth, nineteen thirty one.
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  Speaker 2: He had I'm an only child. He had. He had
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  Speaker 2: five siblings, three boys, three girls, all of them born
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  Speaker 2: write smack dab right around the depression, and was his
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  Speaker 2: first name, okay, ready, Stanley Green, Davis Stanley Green, Davis
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  Speaker 2: Green with an E and Stanley of course st A
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  Speaker 2: N L E Y. But his brother, his brother Jimmy,
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  Speaker 2: it was spelled j I M M I E. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: so far, so good, right I guess Dad thought that
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  Speaker 2: was so cool that he at some point and this
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  Speaker 2: is his military record. I don't know if you're a
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  Speaker 2: cham so tell me Sta n l I E precisely right,
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  Speaker 2: really precisely right, which led, which led friends of his,
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  Speaker 2: and even as we were growing up and I'm growing
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  Speaker 2: up that one of his nicknames was stan Lee going
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  Speaker 2: up to STANLEYE in Eleanor's house. And I don't know
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  Speaker 2: why he did it. I don't know. He just thought, Wow,
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  Speaker 2: the Jimmy thing is cool, so I think, and it
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  Speaker 2: made it unique. Floord knows, and so so Stanley Green Day,
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  Speaker 2: Stanley G. Davis, Sta n l I. Of course everybody
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  Speaker 2: called him stan So I was standing Eleanor's boy and
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  Speaker 2: the earliest, you know, member, but the earliest memory you
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  Speaker 2: really have when you're probably three, four or five or
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  Speaker 2: something like that. And I was born in San Antonio
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  Speaker 2: and Dad was in the Air Force, so I have
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  Speaker 2: no memory of San Antonio as a baby. That's why
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  Speaker 2: it was so cool to come back to my native
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  Speaker 2: Texas in nineteen ninety four. Because you're either a native
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  Speaker 2: or or not. Can't take that away from you. But
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  Speaker 2: by the time I'm four or five, Dad's working in
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  Speaker 2: the Penny On and we're living in suburban Virginia in
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  Speaker 2: Falls Church. Then in nineteen sixty five, excuse it was
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  Speaker 2: part of me nineteen sixty three. For the next two
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  Speaker 2: years we're in England because Dad got stationed with the
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  Speaker 2: Air Force at Hachet at the American Embassy, which was
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  Speaker 2: then at Grosvenor Square. So one of my first memories
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  Speaker 2: of my dad and my mom that's really in concrete,
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  Speaker 2: because you're like five years old, you're not two. We're
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  Speaker 2: all do you know how the military, how they put
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  Speaker 2: military Maybe not everybody. If you're in the military, you
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  Speaker 2: got stationed in London, they put you on the SS
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  Speaker 2: United States, which at the time was the fastest cruise
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  Speaker 2: ship in the world. Still took five days to get
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  Speaker 2: to England. So I got to do that, and there's
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  Speaker 2: pictures of me and mom and dad on the SS
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  Speaker 2: United States going and then coming back two years later.
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  Speaker 2: By the time we came back, it's nineteen sixty five.
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  Speaker 2: I'm about seven. Dad's still in the Pentagon and we
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  Speaker 2: went to it and we got a house in Prince
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  Speaker 2: George's County, Maryland, in Camp Springs, Maryland, which is where
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  Speaker 2: I got to grow up all the way through when
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  Speaker 2: I left for college. So Dad's in the military. He
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  Speaker 2: comes out of the military in nineteen sixty nine, twenty
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  Speaker 2: years in the military, and I'm eleven, and it's like, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: what's dad going to do? And I remembered loving so
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  Speaker 2: much his military service. And if people are putting two
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  Speaker 2: and two together and thinking, wow, your dad's in the
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  Speaker 2: military in the sixties, surely he got sent to Vietnam. Nope.
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  Speaker 2: And the bottom line essentially was that what he was
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: doing at the Pentagon was it was working in personnel.
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: Just personnel matters as far as the management of people.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: People as a resource. One of the most important things
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: the military does is manage it's people. And one of
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: the personnel tasks that Dad had had years earlier was
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: screening the incoming pilots who became the Mercury Astronauts. And
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: from fifty nine sixty to sixty one, it's like what
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: he got to do that. And the additional screening that
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: he did was of people who were Cold War spies
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: for the Air Force Office of Special Investigation. Dad was
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: never an astronaut. Dad was never a spy. Dad never
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: went to Vietnam, but was part of the team and
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: the Pentagon that screened and evaluated all of these people
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: for all of these things, and he in many cases
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: couldn't say a word about it because it was tippy
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: tippy top secret. He only talked about it much later
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: in life. So for me, the coolest thing take your
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: kid to work day. That was kind of cool when
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: Dad would take me to work at the Pentagon in
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: nineteen sixty eight or something on me. And so when
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: he came out of that, it's like, Okay, what are
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: you gonna do now? He went He became an office
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: manager for an outfit called the Educational Service Bureau in Alexandria, Virginia,
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: and he was there for like two three years. And
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: then going to work with Dad was fun. On the weekend,
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: he'd go in because they had IBM Selectric typewriters, which
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: are like the most futuristic thing in the world. I
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: got to use the Xerox machine and I would draw
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: all my Saturn five pictures and make forty seven copies
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: up and give them to my friends. It was just
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: I was dorking out on office products. It was great.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: And he did that for about two three years. But
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: it wasn't really he wasn't unhappy, but he wasn't fulfilled
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: so much. So his final job that he had in
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: life the final chapter for him in the working world
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: because he pretty well retired moved to Florida when he
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: was about fifty eight. The last thing he did for
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: what I guess would have been the last seven or
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: eight years, he sold chain link fence from Montgomery Ward
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: Iverson Mall in Marlow Heights, Maryland. He was on the
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: road all the time, met people all the time, happy
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: as a clam, he said. Dad was never I have
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: my mom. I think like my dad, and I act
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: like my mom. My mom was the effusive, outgoing, you
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: know Malvi person. Dad was more not buttoned down or
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: clip to the vest, but he just wasn't a Dad
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: didn't strike you like I strike you. But I got
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: his logic. I got his love of country, I got
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: his work ethic. I hope I got all those things.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: But so when Mom and I looked at Dad and
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: saw how just totally crazy happy he was out there
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: trucking around southern Maryland selling chain link fence to people,
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: I was like, didn't have that on a Bengo card.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: But he absolutely loved it. And then I'll tie a
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: bow around it, and then we can come back and
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: we'll hand the storybook over to you. I graduate from
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: college in nineteen seventy nine, and Mom and Dad separated
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: at about that time, which I guess means they stayed
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: together for me, for which I'm eternally grateful. Mom went
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: on to become an executive with the United Way and
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: was very productive and fruitful and great continue to live
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: in the house that I grew up in. Dad got
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: an apartment about two miles down down the way. But
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: about a year after that said, guess what, I'm down
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: your neck of the woods. Retired in Largo, Florida, and
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: was so enormously happy. Both my parents passed away in
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: nineteen ninety eight, same year, but they both thought a year,
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: oh yeah, that was a fun year, zhow And it
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: was it was I wanted him happy and he was.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: I saw him happy, and it was great. And I'll
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: tell you you know, we were in nineteen ninety when
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: I got that job. For ten minutes, it's I got
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: to call Dad and say, Dad, I'm coming. I was
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: I was leaving Memphis, and Dad was so pleased and
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: was so happy and brout and proud. And it wasn't
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: twelve weeks later that the station's format changed. They fired
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: everybody as well. That was fun, but we wouldn't have
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: had it otherwise, So we were very, very grateful. I
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: saw him all the time, I talked to him all
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: the time, and so to one large thing, one small thing.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: He he was. While he was not the most expressive,
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: touchy feely person, he was a child of the depression,
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: grew up in the in the military of the forties
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: fifty forty nine to sixty nine. But I always felt
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: so loved, so appreciated, so well cared for by him,
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: just by his example. And I think, and this is something,
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: this is something you didn't get, and I just I
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: can't wait to hear your story, and I feel for you.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: And that's being an adult and interacting with your father
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: when both of you are adults. I'll never forget when
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: he quit smoking a nineteen eighty sixty car, well he
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: had a heart attack, but he was thirty seven, so hello,
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: you got that, and they said, Stan, you're going to
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: stop smoking. He went from four packs of day to two.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: That for him was quitting. Then when he finally did
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: quit circa nineteen eighty six. He called me. I was
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: in Memphis. He said, well, I just smoked my last cigaret.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: I said, of the day he said, he said nope. Ever,
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: I said, really, I've been badgering you for and it
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: bought him. I don't know how many more I guess
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: twelve more years. And he was healthy and fine up
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: to the last. It was heart disease that got him
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: there in February of nineteen ninety eight. But I spoke
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: with him the day before he passed, which was as
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: I talked to him every few days, as I did
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: my mom. And by then I was here and we
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: had almost the most wonderful, normal conversation. Dad was the
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: mayor of the pool. He was a old man. Could
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: he ever tan? I didn't pick up his tanning? I
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: didn't he was, but boy could he tan? And he
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: had his condo in Largo. Everybody knew him, every every
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: probably some folks called him Standley, and everybody knew him.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: And he was the mayor of the pool. He would
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: go down there. And it's funny because he was never
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: busier than in retirement. I mean Air Force, private industry selling,
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: chain link fancy of fans. He was busy, busy, busy
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: all the time, never busier and never happier than in
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: retirement where the dav Disabled American Veterans is his church
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: Indian Rocks Baptist in Largo or Indian Rocks and in
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: the Masonic Lodge kept him. He had so many friends,
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: knew so many people. And when I got to go
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: down and meet the people who he valued and who
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: valued him, it just was it was just a completely
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: magnificent magnificent that's neat. That's he is at rest in
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: the Veterans Cemetery at Bay Pines in Saint Petersburg, and
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: and I miss him and love him every day. Nice
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: thanks for sharing all of that. So I'm gonna I'm
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: gonna kind of gloss past the negative stuff and the
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: and the tough stuff, because like everybody, I mean, I've
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: got kind of a rough, you.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: Know, rocky past with with health and with with my parents' health.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: And I'll just get you, I'll just get to the
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: bully at points of some of the tough stuff, and
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: then I want to focus on, like you did, some
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: of the wonderful memories I have of my dad, And
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: I don't remember a lot of him, because he died
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: when I was eleven years old. He died on Christmas
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: Day in nineteen seventy one. I was eleven year old kid,
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: and he died of leukemia. And he was diagnosed with
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: leukemia when I was five, so he would have been
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: diagnosed in nineteen sixty five. I was born in sixty
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: so when I was five years old, Dad got sick.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: And all I remember growing up was hospitals and doctors'
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: offices and my mom doing the best she could in
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: being you know, my mom, and being Leon's wife. My
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: dad's name was Leon, and Leon was a character, and
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: I want to get into all the great character stuff.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Of him in just a moment.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: But that was that was the tough part, because I
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: didn't get to grow up throwing a ball and with
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: my dad. My mom did that. She he threw a
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: ball with me and my mom would get a football
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: out there. After he died, we'd get out there and
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: throw a ball, we'd have a cat. Mom's name was
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: Marge in March, and they met, and they met in
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: World War Two because both of them served their country.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: My dad was in the US Navy and my mom
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: was a wave and they were both serving in the military,
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: and they met and got married in Cincinnati, Ohio. But
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: my dad was from Norwood, Massachusetts. He was a He
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: was a Massachusetts native through and through. Did you have
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: any fat the cheers? Do you have the cheers?
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Accent?
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: Pac the cop And that was the way my dad spoke.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: And I do remember that. I remember the accent, the
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: Boston accent, and I remember the pipe. My dad always
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: smoked a pipe, he always and it was that cherry
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: flavored pipe. And some of my happiest memories growing up
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: was of sitting in our living room listening to the
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: Cincinnati Reds on the radio, and he would sit there
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: smoking his pipe, and I would sit across from him
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: eating Reese's Peanut butter cups, and we would listen to
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: Joe Knuxall and Marty Brenneman call the Cincinnati Reds baseball
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: games summer nights growing up in Ohio. And that's some
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: of the happiest, happiest memory I have of my dad.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: He he was one of those guys lit up a
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: room and I do remember this twinkle in his eye.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: He loved to tell jokes, he loved to laugh. My
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: mom and dad were both real vibrant, a few sive people,
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: real outgoing personalities. I remember sometimes fighting like cats and dogs.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: I mean they were both at type A personalities and
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: they got into My dad came from a recreation background.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: He used to run the Department of Recreation in Norwood, Massachusetts,
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: and then he became a recreation director for the Parks
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: and Recreation in Ohio, and he was infused.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: This is infused my uncle Alton, who just passed, and
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: every say, and my cousin Cameron is now director of
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: parks in Bullingreen, Kentucky. There's a whole arm of my family.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: And you think, oh, recreation, what's that. It's an art,
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: it's a science, it's a calling, it's a passion. It's
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: caring for people. That's the best.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: And he loved it because he came from a sports
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: background and my dad was kind of a bird dog
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: scout for the Boston Red Sox. Which is really cool
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: because he found a major league He discovered a major
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: league player and baseball fans in the audience might recognize
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: the name Richie Hebner. Richie Hebner was from Norwood, Massachusetts. Well,
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: my dad discovered him. And my dad was the one
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: who first identified him to professional baseball because and they
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: both came from Norwood, Massachusetts. Richie Hebner incidentally was a
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: grave digger in Norwood, mass that's what he did. And
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: my dad as a bird but as a bird dogs,
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: as a bird dog scout for the Red Sox, he
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: discovered him, he identified him. And I remember, like it
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: was yesterday, my dad taking me to Crosley Field in Cincinnati, Ohio,
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: where Richie Hebner was playing for the Red Sox and
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: they were playing the Reds and my dad brought me
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: down to the field to meet Richie Hebner.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: And I was.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: Probably nine, eight, nine, maybe seven years old, but I
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: remember it because I remember Richie Hebner with this huge
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: wad of tobacco in his mouth and he was spitting
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: the tobacco out and it was one of the grossest
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: I couldn't get to take my eyes off, and it
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: was so gross and it smelled and he looked I mean,
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: it was spittle going down his mouth, That's what it
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: was like. And my dad was so proud to identify
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: his little boy Mike to Richie Hebner. But those are
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: some of the memories. And you know, when I think
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: about growing up and not having the benefit of a dad,
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: you know, and it was tough Christmas Day. He dies
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: on Christmas Day. Imagine what Christmas was like for my
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: mom and me. And then then ten years later she
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: decides God decided to take her the week before Christmas.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: So for me, Christmas the holidays were just a beating
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: for many, many years until Denise really came into my life.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: Because Christmas was everything that was sad. My mom used
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: to cry, and to this day, I'll tear up at
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: the song the Christmas Carol, the first Noel because Noel
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: is leon spelled backwards, and my mom convinced me that
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: every time the first Noel came on the radio, that
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: was Daddy saying hi to us.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Well, I didn't like that. I would cry. I hated it.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: To this day, I get upset if I hear the
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: first Noel. I got to turn it off. I don't
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: know if it's charming or terrifying. Oh, it's awful, it's terrible.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: No thanks Mom, Thanks a lot, Mom.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: But it was kind of a cute, like our story
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: and it was sort of like and that's why. And
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: the holidays even to this day are always hard. They've
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: always been tough for me because of that. But look,
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: the fact of the matter is everybody. I love this expression.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: Everybody's got a bag of rocks. When I share with people, Oh, gosh,
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: your dad died on Christmas Day when you were eleven
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: years old, that's horrible. Everybody's got something bad in their story.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: That's part of who you are.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: And everything's relative too, because as you tell the gut
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: wrenching story of losing your dad when you're eleven, there's
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: somebody watching right now whose dad died before they were born,
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: got it exactly. So no matter what your stance in life,
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: there's always somebody who's got it better, somebody's got it worse,
• 30:43
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• 30:44
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  Speaker 2: Like I was just like life. It was a combination
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: of the sad and the happy, the uplifting, and the
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: and and the poignant. It was you told it absolutely
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: perfectly good, and I'm left with a left couple of
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: minutes you've told it. There are a couple of things
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: that I think about, and that is that when when
• 32:35
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• 32:38
  Speaker 2: two each and talk about how this informed our situation
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: with our kiddos. When when you met Denise, so that
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: we got we got four boys going on here just
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: at the outset, and now everybody's grown up, and you
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: know they're they're they're they're not nobody's a child anymore.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: You know Ethan and Regina for me or twenty three
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: and thirty four, they're never they're not children, but they're
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: always our children. The outset When when you started down
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: this path, it's like, Wow, I get to fill a
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: dad role. Now how do I do that? What was
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: in your head?
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: Well, I think I had that profound sense of loss
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: and remembered how precious it was to have time with
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: my dad when I when I did, and so I
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: did my look, I made a lot of mistakes as
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: a dad. I'm sure my kids would would all confirm
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: or attest to that, But I wanted to be there
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: for them as much as I could. I wanted to
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: support them. I wanted to show them how much I
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: loved them and cared for them, because I was sensitive
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: to the fact that it doesn't always work that way.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: They don't always have kids don't always have a father
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: figure in their life. Kids don't always have a loving,
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: active mother in their life like the boys had with Denise.
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: That's why when she when she passed away, it was
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: like our glue just got broken apart, because she was
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: the glue that held the family together. And so, you know,
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: my kids have been through a lot. You know, there's
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: no question they shouldn't lose their mother when she's the
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: day before for her fifty first birthday, as was Denise's age.
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: And so look again, we've all faced these challenges, but
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: by and large and overall, we've had so many blessings
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: and so many memories and happiness and joy, and the
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: good far outweigh the bad. And you know, I consider
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: myself so blessed and fortunate to have these guys in
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: my life and my granddaughter.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: In a final thing then to wrap this up. And
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: this may be kind of contrived and corny, and I
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: don't even know what mine's going to be. But if
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  Speaker 2: we have people listening right now, and who are Dad's
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  Speaker 2: or just whatever, and not like we know everything, Lord knows,
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  Speaker 2: but everybody's experience informs what they we've really been on
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: the planet for a while. What would you tell not
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: I mean advice necessarily, what message? What Father's Day message?
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  Speaker 2: What's something useful chan constructive that you'd like to impart
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  Speaker 2: to anybody listen. I think about maybe somebody who's listening
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  Speaker 2: in some twenty six year old guy and he's married
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  Speaker 2: for three four years, about to have a baby, or
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  Speaker 2: somebody who's got a house full of kids and they're seven,
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: eight and nine and sometimes driving them crazy. But again,
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  Speaker 2: a nuggetive wisdom from you, and then and then and
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  Speaker 2: then then.
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  Speaker 3: You will close, and then we'll close with yours and
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  Speaker 3: and and I'll certainly defer to your smarts and your
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  Speaker 3: wisdom and your knowledge for me.
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  Speaker 2: Do that for me.
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  Speaker 3: It's cliche, It is cliche, it's trite. It's five little words.
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  Speaker 3: Don't sweat the small stuff, keep everything in perspective. I
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  Speaker 3: often tell my kids, and this is a stupid, morbid
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  Speaker 3: expression I use, but I say this a lot. It's
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: not cancer. It's not cancer. Whatever you got going on,
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  Speaker 3: whatever challenge, whatever girlfriend you're breaking up with, whatever money
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  Speaker 3: problems you might have, it ain't cancer. Because I've I've
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: had that that dreaded disease in my life since I
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  Speaker 3: was five years old. I know what that feels like,
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  Speaker 3: and I know what it feels like to to to
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  Speaker 3: be able to put things in perspective, and I think
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  Speaker 3: I do a pretty good job of that.
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  Speaker 2: So just remember that.
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  Speaker 3: My life lesson would be if it ain't cancer, it
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  Speaker 3: ain't cancer, don't sweat the small stuff that's mine.
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  Speaker 2: How about you? I should have let you go last,
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: because there's no way I can match that eloquence that
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  Speaker 2: says so great that there's so much in terms of
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  Speaker 2: a dad and what you talk about what a dad
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: can do for the kids, What a dad can do
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  Speaker 2: for the kids. The most valuable thing a dad can
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  Speaker 2: do for the kids is be a good husband to
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  Speaker 2: their mother. If there's nobody listening with a perfect track
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  Speaker 2: record of that, and God knows, I've got my stumbles.
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  Speaker 2: But if there's anybody thinking, whether it's that twenty six
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  Speaker 2: year old guy about to have his first baby, or
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: things are tough, he had a house full of kids.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: There are all kinds of books on how to be
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: a dad, how to be a dad, how to be
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: a dad. It all descends from what kind of husband
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: you are, because if you are teamed up with that
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  Speaker 2: woman you marry to help make those kids, and if
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: you're doing that right, the path is smoothed more toward
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  Speaker 2: being making better decisions, toward the kind of dad you're
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  Speaker 2: going to be. So on this Father's Day, let's we
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: tell everybody be a good dad, but also by all
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  Speaker 2: means focus every day on being a good husband. That's
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: pretty perfect. That's pretty perfect, my friend, Father's Day. This
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: worked out? This worked out? Okay? Did that? Huh? Why not?
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Why am I sobbing? Heap? But I'm a hot mesk man,
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: I'm a basket case. Let me let me go. Hey, Trace,
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  Speaker 2: you can get my therapist on the line. I love you.
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  Speaker 2: It's happy Father's Day, My Father's Day. Everybody see you Monday.
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  Speaker 2: It's eminem extra God bless you all. Thank you,