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Pastor's gorgeous wife, mom-of-three and family's GMC Acadia VANISH. WHERE IS MARILANE CARTER? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. How does a gorgeous young
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  Speaker 1: wife of a local pastor, a mother suddenly just disappear
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  Speaker 1: seemingly into thin air. I'm talking about a young lady,
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  Speaker 1: Mary Lane Carter. I me, Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation
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  Speaker 1: The family is puzzled though, that Carter told them she
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  Speaker 1: was getting lost along the way. She'd driven the route
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  Speaker 1: several times, so she knew the way. Carter's husband is
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  Speaker 1: the head pastor at a Kansas church. A vigil was
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  Speaker 1: held their Thursday night. The family says Carter has never
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  Speaker 1: just taken off ed, would never leave her young children
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  Speaker 1: and husband. She's driving a dark Grade two eleven GMC
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  Speaker 1: a Kadia with Kansas tags. You honestly don't know what
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  Speaker 1: happens after this. It's like they need their mommy, he
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  Speaker 1: needs his wife, he need their daughter. Carter is five
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  Speaker 1: eight and weighs one hundred and thirty pounds. She was
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  Speaker 1: lasting on video wearing dark clothing. Where is Mary Lane
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  Speaker 1: with me? An All Star panels seeking to help find
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  Speaker 1: the missing mom. But first I want to go to
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  Speaker 1: a special guest joining me right now, her brother in
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  Speaker 1: law joining us at Birmingham, Brady McLaughlin. Brady, thank you
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  Speaker 1: for being with us. First of all, tell me about
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  Speaker 1: Mary Lane. Well, thank you, Miss Grace for having me.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate the attention to help help find mary Lane.
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  Speaker 1: Mary Lane is thirty six years old. As the news
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  Speaker 1: report said, she's my sister in law, so my wife,
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  Speaker 1: this is her sister. I've no never since around two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and five, two thousand and six. She's a graduate
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  Speaker 1: of her Stanford University in Birmingham with a graduate degree
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  Speaker 1: in theological studies. She's a mother of three and married
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  Speaker 1: to Adam Carter. And she is a cool person who
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  Speaker 1: actually loves people and loves God and loves her family.
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  Speaker 1: You're telling me she's got a grad degree. What kind
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  Speaker 1: of grad degree? She has? Her Masters of Theological Studies
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  Speaker 1: from Beast and Divinity School. You know that means a
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  Speaker 1: lot to me to hear that, because this is a
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  Speaker 1: woman who is very well accomplished. She knows how to travel,
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  Speaker 1: she knows how to get around. For Pete's sake, She's
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  Speaker 1: got a graduate degree. That's not easy in any subject,
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  Speaker 1: much less theology. With me her family joining us, we
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  Speaker 1: are begging you today for help Jackie. As soon as
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  Speaker 1: you can't, I need that tipline back to you, Brady
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  Speaker 1: McLaughlin joining us by You've told me a lot about her,
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  Speaker 1: but she's a wife and a mother as well. Tell
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  Speaker 1: me about that. Yeah, she has three kids. Her youngest
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  Speaker 1: daughter turns three on Monday, and she has two other
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  Speaker 1: children who are five and seven, two other boys, two
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  Speaker 1: boys five and seven. And what what's the other child?
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  Speaker 1: A third? Yea, a daughter, her daughter who's who's turning
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  Speaker 1: three Monday, five seven and three? Oh, dear Lord and heaven,
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  Speaker 1: what have they been told about mommy missing? Her husband
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  Speaker 1: Adams been actually involving in the search, either in Memphis
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  Speaker 1: and in Birmingham, coordinating with family and law enforcement. And
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  Speaker 1: he's been facetiming them at least twice a day, talking
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  Speaker 1: to him and trying to uh, you know, share the
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  Speaker 1: story with them and give them encouragement that hopefully a
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  Speaker 1: mom will be home by a birthday time. So that's
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  Speaker 1: kind that's kind of how that's going. Thankfully that the
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  Speaker 1: kiddos are with family members there in Kansas City area,
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  Speaker 1: and they have there with their cousins. Okay, back to
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  Speaker 1: that just one moment. I was just there in Kansas
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  Speaker 1: City on an RV trip. Beautiful world, Yeah, residential area. Lovely.
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  Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question. You mentioned the husband.
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  Speaker 1: Got two big questions, Brady McLoughlin. Are you you her
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  Speaker 1: husband's brother or you her sister's husband. I'm her sister's husband,
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  Speaker 1: her sister younger sister, Melinda. I'm Melinda's husband. Okay, tell
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  Speaker 1: me about the husband. Where was he the pastor? And
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  Speaker 1: what church is it when she goes missing. He's a
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  Speaker 1: pastor of Leewood Baptist Church in Leewood, Kansas, which is
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  Speaker 1: near Overland Park. And your other question was where was
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  Speaker 1: he when she went missing? Yeah, she left the home
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  Speaker 1: on Saturday evening. She was traveling to Birmingham to seek
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  Speaker 1: some mental health help. And she understand she had a
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  Speaker 1: sleep disorder. Correct. I don't know that to be true.
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  Speaker 1: I know she was having some difficulty sleeping. Yeah, you
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  Speaker 1: know what. My mom has lived through that for years,
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  Speaker 1: ever since I was a little girl. She'll be up
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  Speaker 1: all night and still is. She lives with me here.
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  Speaker 1: I hear walking around all night. She's got a sleep disorder,
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  Speaker 1: and she has gone to the sleep clinic and that
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  Speaker 1: sleep clinic and this sleep clinic. She still has it,
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  Speaker 1: and it can drive you to distraction. I mean they
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  Speaker 1: used to do that to POWs. They would keep them
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  Speaker 1: awake all night long at twenty four to seven, and
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  Speaker 1: it drives you to distraction. Now would she Has she
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  Speaker 1: ever left her children alone like this before? Has she
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  Speaker 1: taken off on a walk about I forgot to come
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  Speaker 1: back home, No, ma'am, not that I know of, as
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  Speaker 1: her brother in law. But the children weren't alone. They
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  Speaker 1: were with her husband and Adam at the house. So
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  Speaker 1: she would have her history. I mean, come on, Brady,
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  Speaker 1: when you don't know a horse, I'll look at her
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  Speaker 1: track record. If she's I have never once left my
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  Speaker 1: children without supervision unless I had to go away to
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  Speaker 1: work and come back, and I was all lining with
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  Speaker 1: them the whole time. Yeah, thankfully, here she was with
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  Speaker 1: her husband, thankfully, So the children were with the husband
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  Speaker 1: the entire time. Correct, Yes, that's correct. Okay, So no offense.
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  Speaker 1: It's Brady McLaughlin. But statistically, the first person we got
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  Speaker 1: to look at is the husband. The X. Yeah, the
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  Speaker 1: voice you brought that up, and so local police and
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  Speaker 1: the Overland Park have already ruled that out. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: we've gotten multiple communications from them showing that there's no
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  Speaker 1: evidence of a crime being committed here. This is purely
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  Speaker 1: a missing person's case. And it's a local Baptist church, correct,
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  Speaker 1: Not some zany cult that I got to worry about
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  Speaker 1: the cult members. It's just a Baptist church, right, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: And let me ask you this. The children five seventy
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  Speaker 1: three there at home with dad when she goes missing.
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  Speaker 1: She gets in the car. It was a plan trip
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  Speaker 1: Saturday evening and she's driving from Kansas to Birmingham. Correct.
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  Speaker 1: So on the plan trip piece, it looked like she
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  Speaker 1: decided to make her travels in the travel plans right
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  Speaker 1: around six thirty that evening. Yeah, and then left closer
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  Speaker 1: at about eight fifteen. So not a lot of events
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  Speaker 1: planning in So the husband kniss she was going. Is
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  Speaker 1: that correct? Oh? Yes, all right, he said, Hey, I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna go ahead and make the trip down to Birmingham.
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  Speaker 1: She had previous experience as a chaplain and the two
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  Speaker 1: facilities she was looking at, so she was a lot
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  Speaker 1: more comfortable coming to Birmingham for those reasons. Plus there's
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  Speaker 1: family here. Oh she has fit right, You and her
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  Speaker 1: sister are there in Birmingham, correct, yes, plus three other siblings.
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  Speaker 1: And okay, now let me ask you how did she
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  Speaker 1: meet her husband? I think they met after Divinity School.
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  Speaker 1: And they also known each other since childhood. Okay, now
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  Speaker 1: that's a big dicoque. That's a big time span you
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  Speaker 1: gave me. I gotta nail that down. They've known each
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  Speaker 1: other since childhood, but I think they reconnected after Divinity Okay, yeah, yep, yep, yep.
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  Speaker 1: That makes sense. And why are they in Kansas when
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  Speaker 1: her whole family and all our relatives are in Birmingham.
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  Speaker 1: How'd that happened? Great question? Glad you asked. They actually
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  Speaker 1: grew up in Kansas. My wife included that my wife
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  Speaker 1: was born in Kansas. Um. They have ties to Birmingham,
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  Speaker 1: to Kansas City, and also to South Alabama and Fair
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  Speaker 1: Hope a prayer in South Alabama. May I ask a
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  Speaker 1: small town called fair Hoop? They are on the coastal community. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: my father was from hay Cody, which is near opp
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  Speaker 1: which is near Mobile. I have to tell a lot
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  Speaker 1: of that, so I'm very familiar with that area. Let
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  Speaker 1: me just say very very low crime rate and very
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  Speaker 1: sparsely populated. My whole point is I was getting at
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  Speaker 1: so her whole family maybe from Birmingham, and then they
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  Speaker 1: get a pastoral spot in Kansas since she moves away
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  Speaker 1: from all her family and she doesn't like that. But
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  Speaker 1: that's not the case at all. She has roots in Kansas,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of her family grew up there and roots
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  Speaker 1: in Birmingham, so that's not the problem. Guys, with me,
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  Speaker 1: Mary Lane Carter's brother in law, Brady McLoughlin, we are
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  Speaker 1: on a desperate search for this missing mom. She is
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  Speaker 1: leaving three children behind, and it would be over my
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  Speaker 1: cold dead body grabbing your neck in death before I
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  Speaker 1: would let you drag me away from my twins. Let
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  Speaker 1: me give you the tipline two O five three nine
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  Speaker 1: zero one zero zero three Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about eight mom, missing gorgeous young mom. If
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  Speaker 1: you want to look at her, go to crime online
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  Speaker 1: dot com or see us at our Fox Nation program.
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  Speaker 1: You can see the photos of Mary Lane Carter, beautiful, loving, educated,
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  Speaker 1: a woman of God majoring in divinity. How does she
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  Speaker 1: just seemingly disappear on a trip. She's not running away
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  Speaker 1: from home. She's not running from an abusive husband, nothing
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  Speaker 1: like that. Like you, we very often read about this
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  Speaker 1: mom is on a trip, driving from Kansas City to Birmingham.
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  Speaker 1: She's gone missing. Please help us bring her home to
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  Speaker 1: her children. There's still a chance to get her home
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  Speaker 1: safe and alive. Tipline two O five three nine zero
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  Speaker 1: one zero zero three. I was just talking to Mary
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  Speaker 1: Lane's at brother in law. He's married to her sister.
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  Speaker 1: Let's bring you the rest of the panel so we
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  Speaker 1: can try to analyze the clues left behind with me.
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  Speaker 1: Ken Belkan. Ken Belkin is a veteran New York criminal
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  Speaker 1: defense attorney and you can find him at belcan Law
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  Speaker 1: dot com. B el Ki n Doctor Debbie Joffe Ellis,
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  Speaker 1: psychologist and adjunct professor, Columbia University. You can find her
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  Speaker 1: at Debbie Joffe Ellis dot com and I love to
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  Speaker 1: argue with her. Karen Smith joining me from LA Forensics expert, lecturer,
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  Speaker 1: University Florida and host of Soul's podcast Sierra at Gillespie
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  Speaker 1: Crime online dot com. Investigative reporter and great reporter. Lee
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  Speaker 1: Egan with Crime Online journalist and reporter let's kick it off,
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  Speaker 1: Lee Egan. You heard everything the brother in law said,
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  Speaker 1: and he told me a lot, all right, which is
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  Speaker 1: saving you from a grilling, Lee Egan, because now I
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  Speaker 1: know the husband is not a suspect. He's not even
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  Speaker 1: a person of interest. And the reason is we have
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  Speaker 1: evidence that he's in Kansas City while she's on her
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  Speaker 1: way driving to Birmingham. Just tell me, give it to
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  Speaker 1: me in a nutshell, Lee Egan, How do I know
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  Speaker 1: husband is not involved? Hit me? Well, husband has been
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  Speaker 1: very very vocal about signing his wife don't care at home? Sorry,
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  Speaker 1: but don't care. So Watsay's husband, Chris wats remember that
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  Speaker 1: desperate plea absolutely don't care about how vocal they are
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  Speaker 1: if they go to vigils or they don't go to it. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I do care if they don't go to the vigil.
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  Speaker 1: But get me the hard evidence, Lee. Do I have
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  Speaker 1: phone calls? Can I trace him through social Do I
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  Speaker 1: have eyewitnesses placing him in Kansas after she's left and
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  Speaker 1: proof that she's alive after she left the home. That's
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  Speaker 1: what I want to hear. I love vigils, I do
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  Speaker 1: they raise awareness, but I want hard evidence. Lee Egan,
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  Speaker 1: How do I know? Okay, we do know for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Law enforcement did confirm he was in Kansas Do we
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  Speaker 1: do have her a live a hotel? I believe it
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  Speaker 1: was a quality in in West Plain's, Missouri, at around
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  Speaker 1: three thirty seven am on August two. Okay, wait, let
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  Speaker 1: me digest what you're saying. Hold on, you know I
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  Speaker 1: was just in Missouri as well. We did in the
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  Speaker 1: cross country RV trip went to Missouri. Lewis, you don't
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  Speaker 1: want to hear about everything we did in Missouri, but
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  Speaker 1: I know exactly where you're talking about. Okay, So you
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  Speaker 1: know what she did something very smart, which is something
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  Speaker 1: I should have done a lot of times that I'm
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  Speaker 1: on a road trip, and that a stop at a
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  Speaker 1: hotel or an hotel instead of forcing myself to drive
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  Speaker 1: through the dark and the rain in the late hours.
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  Speaker 1: So let me understand this, Leegan. We have Marilyne Carter,
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  Speaker 1: mom of three ages, three, five and seven children, checking
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  Speaker 1: into we think of quality and in Missouri. While the
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  Speaker 1: husband is absolutely verified it confirmed at home in Kansas City? Correct.
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  Speaker 1: How do I know she checked in? We have surveillance,
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  Speaker 1: The hotel did handover security footage to law enforcement and
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  Speaker 1: friends and family have verified that absolutely is her checking
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  Speaker 1: in at around three thirty seven am, and it is
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  Speaker 1: for sure the quality ends in West Plains, Missouri. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'm righting on this down West Plans, Missouri. And I
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  Speaker 1: can tell you from my travels that I just went
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  Speaker 1: through Missouri West Plans, Missouri, very very low time, right,
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  Speaker 1: So statistically not saying it couldn't happen, but statistically she
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  Speaker 1: was not murdered, raped, kidnapped, carjack and West Plains in Missouri.
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  Speaker 1: If she was, that would be a statistical anomaly. So
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  Speaker 1: let's go down another avenue. She checked it, whoa, whoa,
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  Speaker 1: wait now I seemed to a call. She checked in,
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  Speaker 1: But she didn't stay very long, did she. She did not.
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  Speaker 1: She only stayed about three and a half hours and
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  Speaker 1: she left out and drove towards Memphis, Tennessee. Is that
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  Speaker 1: is that the correct route? Would that be the correct route?
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  Speaker 1: I would have looking at a map, I would assume so.
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  Speaker 1: And she's the family said that she's taken this route
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  Speaker 1: many many times. I know it's the right route. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I had to keep saying RV. But on the way
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  Speaker 1: back from the West to from Yellowstone, we had gone
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  Speaker 1: through Missouri, we came back and we went through Memphis
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  Speaker 1: to Birmingham back home. So, yes, that is the correct rap. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I remember that from our trip. Joining me Sierra Gillespie
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  Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com investigative reporter along with Leigh Agan. Sierra,
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  Speaker 1: what more can you tell me? So, she lays, after
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  Speaker 1: three hours, I'm wondering if she just went into the
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  Speaker 1: room and took a nap and then got ready and left. Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: that's what it sounds like. I mean, she left a
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  Speaker 1: little bit later on Saturday evening, so it sounds like
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  Speaker 1: she was just getting tired. You know how it is
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  Speaker 1: on the road when you're alone, nothing to kind of
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  Speaker 1: keep you awake. So it sounds like she checked in
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  Speaker 1: three thirty seven am. She left at six o eight am.
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  Speaker 1: And something I think that's very interesting we need to
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  Speaker 1: point out is on Sundays, she was speaking to her husband,
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  Speaker 1: Adam Carter, on the phone and the call dropped. Then
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  Speaker 1: about fifteen minutes later, she was speaking on her cell
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  Speaker 1: phone with her mom and the call dropped again. And
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  Speaker 1: those are the last known times anybody in her family
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  Speaker 1: who's actually spoken to her. That was on Sunday, Yes, okay,
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  Speaker 1: and she took off driving on Saturday to Ken Belkin,
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  Speaker 1: new York criminal defense attorney joining us. Ken Belkin, I
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  Speaker 1: was earlier saying that statistically, she did not befall violent crime.
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  Speaker 1: They're in West Plains, Missouri, based on the crime right.
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  Speaker 1: The reality is statistics cannot come into evidence at trial.
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  Speaker 1: For instance, if I were trying a burglary case and
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  Speaker 1: a low crime area, or a burglary case and a
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  Speaker 1: high crime area, the defense attorney could not say, well, statistically,
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  Speaker 1: you're highly prined to have a burglar in this area.
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  Speaker 1: How do you know it's my guy? Statistics can't come
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  Speaker 1: in why, Ken Belkin, statistics are you know? They're not
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  Speaker 1: relevant to any of the allegations. Really, they're not probitive
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  Speaker 1: as to whether it's less or more likely that a
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  Speaker 1: particular defendant who was accused of a crime actually did
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  Speaker 1: or did not do that crime. They're just evidence of
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  Speaker 1: some sort of larger pattern. We look really at the
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  Speaker 1: nitty gritty, in the fine details, when you dive into
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  Speaker 1: a case and take its trial. You know, also, statistics,
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  Speaker 1: as you said, don't prove anything in a court of law.
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  Speaker 1: And you're absolutely right, Ken Belk. And as much as
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  Speaker 1: it pains me to agree, with the defense lawyer. You're right,
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  Speaker 1: because in court you're trying to prove I'm trying to
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  Speaker 1: prove Jackie right there murdered Brett right there, and the
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  Speaker 1: statistical likelihood of co workers killing each other before my
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  Speaker 1: very eyes is very low, and that would prove she
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  Speaker 1: didn't do it. But I and I witness saw it.
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  Speaker 1: That proves she did do it. But we're not in
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  Speaker 1: a court of law. So would you agree with me
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  Speaker 1: that since the statistical crime rates are very low in
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  Speaker 1: West blaine's highly doubtful anything happened to her there, extremely doubtful.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, in a place where crime RelA are so low,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the likelihood of something, you know, criminal, happening
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  Speaker 1: to her is extremely correspondingly low. And it's very important.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever handled paying evidence in court,
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  Speaker 1: but we know she checked in at the quality in
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  Speaker 1: West Plains three thirty seven am. We think she slept
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  Speaker 1: for three hours. She got up left six eight am.
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  Speaker 1: That would have been Sunday morning. Remember she left Saturday evening,
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  Speaker 1: husband at home with the children. She calls hubby Adam
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  Speaker 1: Carter and mom Sunday. Both calls drop crime stories with
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  Speaker 1: Nancy grace. Guys, we're talking about Marilynn Carter, a young
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  Speaker 1: mom of three now missing, seemingly dropping off the face
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  Speaker 1: of the earth. Take a listen to our friends at ABC.
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  Speaker 1: Concern is growing by the day. Carter only stayed at
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  Speaker 1: that Missouri hotel about three hours before she was seen
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  Speaker 1: leaving alone from there. The last phone contact was Sunday
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  Speaker 1: in Memphis. We are devastated because she has three small
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  Speaker 1: children and they try every night and they're trying to thing.
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  Speaker 1: They're asking for their mommy. Her husband loved her so much.
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  Speaker 1: Carter's mother said she talked with her daughter frequently as
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  Speaker 1: she drove to Birmingham to visit family. But the phone
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  Speaker 1: went dead in this area in West Memphis, under the
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  Speaker 1: I fifty five bridge, at a walking trail, and we
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  Speaker 1: don't have any record of her leaving this area, and
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  Speaker 1: so this is the last known spot that we know
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  Speaker 1: she was. Her family has searched along with law enforcement.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: Carter was traveling to be with her sister who was
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: having a baby, and also to get counseling in Birmingham
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: for sleep issues. Guys, the sleep issues, I wonder how
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: that weighs into this. I mean, I'm talking from firsthand
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: experience with my mom, and she's had sleep issues. I
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: was a little girl, I remember waking up in the
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: middle of the night hearing her practice on our piano
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: for church choir on Sunday morning, playing all these elaborate
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: classical pieces at three o'clock in the morning. She couldn't
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: sleep no matter how much she tried. Did that way
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: into this woman, Mary Lane Carter's decision making also take
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at WMC Action Needs five.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: This is janisit Brooch credit card statement shows she got
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: gas in West Memphis. Relatives stayed in touch with her
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: during the drive until the phone went dead on the
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Arkansas side of the I fifty five bridge. Her mother
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: said she mentioned being lost. Her family searched all over
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: the area below the bridge last week. Now they want
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: to rule out the worst case scenario that her car
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: somehow went into the river. The Coastguard might do a
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: search like that. In a statement, the Coastguard said it
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: is aware of the missing woman, but likely would not
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: search without evidence a person or a vehicle went into
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: the river. Adam Carter as a pastor in Overland Park, Kansas,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: where friends have set up a Facebook page called Finding
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Mary Lane in a desperate attempt to find her. He
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: hopes a search on the river can provide answers. Our
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: three kids miss her. I miss her. We want to
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: have her home. I've learned a lot in the last
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: few moments. To Lee Egan, Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: I learned she left the hotel alone. So everybody out
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: there that may be thinking, oh, she's with her lover,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: she's with a boyfriend. She hooked up at a hotel.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: That's not true. There's no evidence anyone rendezvoud with her
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: at the quality end. She checked in alone. She left alone.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: En route. She called her husband, called Drop, called her
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: mom called Drop. I'm very curious why the call drop.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: And last we have her. She's made it to West Memphis.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: We know that much. Then the trail seemingly goes cold.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Joining me. Doctor Debbie Joffe ellis psychologist, ad ject professor,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Columbia University at debbieffs, Doctor Debby, what do you tell
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: her children at this time about mommy? I mean, first
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: thing in the morning, doctor Debby. My daughter finds me
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: no matter where I am, and we hug it out.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Son finds me. We kinda hug and he immediately wants
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: his fruit shaker made him. So wherever I am, they're
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: like homing devices, they find me. What do you tell
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: the children? Unfortunately, at this early stage in their life,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: they have an opportunity to learn that sometimes life doesn't
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: go the way we expect. And I suppose what one
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: could tell the children is a gentle version of the
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: truth that right now we don't know where mummy is
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: and whatever happens, and this is really important that they
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: know they're going to be safe, they're going to be loved,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: they're still going to have and one would mention some
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: of the things they enjoy in life, the people they enjoy,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: if they have pets, So not to take away hope
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: from the kids, to introduce in the language they understand
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: that happens in life, sometimes unexpected things. But let's see
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: and whatever happens, if worst thing happens, and one doesn't
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: have to spell it out, you're going to be okay.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Your loved life will still be happy at times, don'cher's abbey, Yes, Nancy,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: give it to me. I don't like what you're saying,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: but I know what you're saying is right. But I
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: don't like what you're saying. I don't like it. I
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: don't want to tell a three year old or five
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: year old a seven year old, we have no idea
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: where mommy is. I don't know that I would tell
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: them exactly like that. I think I would. Why is
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: that wrong? I'd say mommy's on a trip, she'll be home. No,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: it's not wrong. No, it's not wrong. You know, to
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: have a thread of truth that the mummy isn't here
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: right now, so that they don't, you know, concocting their
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: imagination something that might upset them. So I think in
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: this case, a white lie that has elements of truth
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: in it is fine and very importantly that things are
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: going to be okay no matter what in terms of
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: that life. If mummy doesn't return for any reason, they'll
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: You're still loved, You are safe. Safety is key for
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: them to know they are safe, no matter what I'm
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: hearing in my ear rejoining us as Marilynne Carter's brother
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: in law, Brady McLaughlin, Brady, thank you for taking time out.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: And I know this is a horrible subject. And your
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: sister is I mean your wife, her sister is probably
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: too raw emotionally to even talk about this. What are
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: they telling the children? Yes, ma'am, so from what I
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: understand from Adam and also her sisters, they're telling they're
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: telling the kiddos that hopefully mommy will be back for
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: the birthday and her her daughter Anna will be three
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: next Monday, and this is her first birthday that she
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: actually really knows what's going on, and so she's actually
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: excited about it and looking forward to it. So they're
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: just telling her. They telling all the kids that mommy
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: and daddy both loved them. We were working to find mommy.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: We don't know where she is. Okay, you just convinced
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: me of something, Brady, because I can at this moment
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: remember my children's third birthday. It was a major blowout
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: where I developed the theory unless somebody throws up or
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: gets a nosebleed, it just wasn't not a good birthday party.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: It was a blowout. We jumped, we ran, we climbed,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: we vomited cake. Not maybe but them. I wouldn't have
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: missed it for anything, and I know Mary Lane wants
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: to be there. Speaking of what the husband, Adam is saying,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends at KMBC nine. This
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: is news anchor Rob. He's with Adam speaking. I just
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: told our three kids, you know, to be praying for mom, mommy,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: and we're gonna find her. It just might take a
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: few days. Adam Carter has been in the mid South
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: since Tuesday looking for his thirty six year old wife,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Mary Lane. He lost contact with her when she disappeared
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Sunday night. Her phone went dead somewhere in the area
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: that I fifty five bridge coming into Memphis. Her parents
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: have spent days searching that area. New video is emerging.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: At the beginning of Mary Lane's trip, Carter says that
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: she texted him when she was taking into a quality
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: inn in West Plains, Missouri, several hours from her home.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: She stayed about three hours and left. Carter says he
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: talked with his wife's Sunday night and her phone went dead.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: About fifteen minutes later, she talked with her mother and
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: her phone went dead again, and no more calls have
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: been made since. Her credit cards have also not been used. Carter,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: with the help of law enforcement Gunna Tip his wife,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: was in Desuto County Monday morning at a Shell gas station.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: We showed them pictures of her and they said they
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: felt like they definitely had seen her crime stories with
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking about a missing mama three,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Mary Lane Carter. Her husband I passed her at a
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: local church in Kansas. She's on her way drive in
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: Kansas to Birmingham and seemingly just disappears. They had mentioned
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: did the car drive into a body of water? But
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: I find that difficult to believe with no sign of
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: a car going over trees or I mean bushes or undergrowth,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: no signs or location for a car to drive in,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: like go off a dot the way Susan Smith pushed
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: her boys off a dot. Remember that Jackie. No obvious
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: spot for her to go into water. Plus she was
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: I understand at a bridge. If there's no size, she
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: went over the bridge? How that hey? Would her car
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: end up in water? Where is Mary Lane? With me
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: an all star panel to break it down and put
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: it back together again? Take a listen to our friends
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: at ABC News Erne Shaw. Authorities in an urgent search
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: for a missing Kansas mom of three kids, Marilyn Carter
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: was lasting six days ago in the surveillance video entering
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: a hotel in Missouri. Police pouring through the video for
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: clues and asking for the public's help. They say she
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: left the hotel just three hours after checking in her phone,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: appearing to go dead near Memphis, Tennessee. And she's a
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: mommy and she has a mommy's heart, you know, she
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: would never do anything that would take her away from
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: her family. She told family she was driving to Birmingham, Alabama,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: deeping with her of them before vanishing without a trace.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: It's been hard and all we can do is pray
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: and inkeep looking. Loved ones are praying outside of the
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: church where her husband is the lead pastor, and desperately searching.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: If anyone out there sees anything he sees her, please
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: report it to see our Gillespie Crime Online dot Com
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: investigative reporter. It means a lot to me. The husband
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: didn't just sit on his thumb at home. He has
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: traveled to the area and is searching along with her family.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Is that right, Sierra, Because I mean we've seen so
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: many times or the husband just sister and does nothing,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: and I don't like that. Yeah, Nancy, that's not the
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: case at all here. Adam Carter has been very vocal
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: speaking with media trying to get out, you know everything
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: about Mary Lane, what she looks like, where she was
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: last seen, and he did actually travel to that West
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Momphis area to search for her. That's where law enforcement
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: officials are searching, you know, by land and by air.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: I've seen several reports of that. And something we recently
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: heard in that last NEWSPA page talking about how he
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: is a lead pastor. They're a very religious family, both
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: she and her husband are. Something I thought that was
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: very sweet and touching is that at that church back home,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: they have a twenty four seven it's around the clock
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: prayer vigils because the family truly believes that relying on prayer,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: relying on prayer is the only way to go forward here. Well,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: I know this prayer does change things. I know that
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: now joining me, forensics expert out of La Lecturer University, Florida,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: host of podcast Shattered Souls, Karen Smith, Karen, we need
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: you now more than ever. What should be happening now
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: in the investigation. I want to talk about something that's
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: really bothering me, Nancy, and it's the timeline. I'm going
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: to go back to boots on the ground, shoe leather here.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about the timeline. She leaves Overland Park eight
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: fifteen pm on Saturday, August first. Why why it's about
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: of four and a half hour drive. Okay, wait, White, Yeah, yep, okay,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to go through the timeline with you. I
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: don't have a problem with the timeline when she gets
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: to the quality end. But go ahead, okay. Well, from
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Overland Park to West Plains about four and a half
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: five hour drives. She checks in at about three fifteen
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: in the morning. There's two hours missing there, Nancy, we
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: don't know where she went. Two to three hours are
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: missing in that timeline. So she checks out about six am,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: according to official documents, and then she's driving to Memphis.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: That is about three hours. Hey, hey, you know what.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying. But for all unus, she
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: stopped at Target to get something mean. But I know
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: she's alive and alone and in a working vehicle and
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: y in West Plaines. A problem happens after that, that's right,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: And she checks out about six am, but then her
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: phone pings at eight pm that night. That is only
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: a three and a half hour drive. We're dealing with
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: a fourteen hour timeline here, Nancy. You're right. What happened?
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: What does her does her car have GPS? Does she
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: have on Star? Are there other ways that you have
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: to find the car? We've got to find her gmc acadia,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: the two thousand and eleven. I don't know whether it's
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: supplied with on Star. Let me let me follow up
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: on that right now, Lee Egan, A gmc acadia. What
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: more can you tell me about the vehicle? Color, stickers,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: damage to the car, scrapes? What it is? A twenty
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: eleven gmc acadia Kansas license plate number one nine four
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: l F y L is in leaf f is in
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: feather wise in a year, No non scratches and no
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: non damage to the car. What color? It's a dark gray?
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Dark gray to you, Brady McLoughlin, is that correct? Twenty
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: eleven gmc acadia dark gray man That is correct? No stickers,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: no front tag on it, nothing else that would be
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: unique to identify it apart from another You know, GM
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: KIDDI you like that? Not even a church sticker or
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: my kids on the honor roll, Nothing like that, you
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: would think. But I can said you picture both their
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: cars and both of them know how many stickers they're
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: pretty planned on their cars. Would you would you send
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: me the sticker? Would you send me the picture? Jack,
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: if you could get that, because I'd like to post
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: it for everybody to look at it. Crime online and
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: here at Fox Nation in series see eleven guys. I
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: don't understand how she and her car can just disappear
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: about to Karen Smith or in Sect's expert joining me.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: You can hear her at Chatter Soul's podcast. Karen, I
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: know that you're you're right that we've lost some hours,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: but I'm cutting through the chase and I've got her
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: alive at this spot now, right. How does a car
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: and a woman just disappear? There's no evidence she ran
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: off the bridge, there's no evidence of a vehicle going
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: into the water. What more can we do? Well, you know,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: we know that her cell phone was dropping off. Now
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: we don't know if her battery was dying or if
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: it was a purposeful switch off of her phone. We
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: don't know these things. She left in a hurry, Nancy.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: And when you leave in a hurry, I have left
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: my cell phone charger at home. It drives me crazy.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Did she forget it? Did she forget her cell phone charger?
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Something that simple I'm trying to use the law of
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: parsimony here. Well, you know what, you're right, do you
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: lose phone battery? I've done it too. I have done
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: it too. I've even gone exercising, jogging and my phone
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: actually goes dead. And it happens to the best of us,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: the most careful people. To Ken Belca, new York criminal
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: defense attorney at Belcan Law dot com. Ken, let me
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: ask you to join Karen Smith, a forensics expert, and
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: your experience. What should cops investigator's family be doing right now? Well,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that could be doing. Cell
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: phone tracking. I think they should look at the make
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: and model of that car and determine, you know, how
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: far it can go on a full tank of gas.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: And I think they should really look into those gas
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: stations within that range from where she was last sighted.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: I think that would be the most useful. I think
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: you're right about that, because isn't it Trucierra Gillespie. Somebody
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: says they saw her at a gas station and they
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: gave her a ten or twenty bucks for gas because
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: she's got credit cards, she's got ATMs. Why would she
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: even do that? Nancy? That is correct. They have received
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: a tip. It hasn't beneficially confirmed that it was Mary Lane,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: but somebody said they saw this woman matching the description
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: at a gas station and she said the reasons she
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: needed some cash or gas money was that her credit
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: cards weren't working at the time. That doesn't sound right.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: She just used her credit card at quality in What
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: do you know about that tip? Brady McLaughlin. Yes, her
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: credit cards are still activated and they're still on the
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: law enforcement hasn't turned on for credit active credit card
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: monitoring where I gets they can see anytime chargers go
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: up and where it's located in real time. Guys, the
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: more questions we ask them were confusing, it becomes. But
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: this is what I do know. There is a husband
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: who seemingly is innocent of any involvement, and three little
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: children who won't mommy home. Won't you help us bring
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: Mary Lane home? The tipline two zero five three nine
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: zero one zero zero three repeat two zero five three
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: nine zero one zero zero three. Please help us bring
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Mary Lane home. Goodbye friend,