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Is the Fear of Debt Controlling Your Life? | Simone Milasas · Wake Up with Marci

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  Speaker 1: Debt can carry so much more than a dollar amount.
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  Speaker 1: It can carry fear, shame, sleepless nights, the fear of
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  Speaker 1: opening another bill. And sometimes that fear says, how am
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  Speaker 1: I ever going to get out of this? And my
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  Speaker 1: guest today knows that feeling. Simone Molasses found herself $ 187, 000
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  Speaker 1: in debt. Today, she's a successful business mentor, author, and
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  Speaker 1: a wealth creation expert. But I don't just want to
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  Speaker 1: talk about where she is today. I want to know
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  Speaker 1: how she got there. How did the debt happen? Because
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  Speaker 1: if you're watching today worried about money or overwhelmed by debt,
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  Speaker 1: I want this conversation to give you something that you
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  Speaker 1: can actually use. This is Wake Up With Marci, a
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  Speaker 1: space for honest conversations about healing, recovery, and women's wellness.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Marci Hopkins. Take a breath. You're safe here. Let's begin.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome all to Wake Up With Marci. Welcome back. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Marci Hopkins. I'm your host. I'm an author, TV host,
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  Speaker 1: motivational speaker, mental health advocate, and the founder of the
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  Speaker 1: Wake Up, You're Not Broken Recovery Foundation. Let's welcome Simone now. Hello, Simone.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Wake Up With Marci.
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  Speaker 2: Hi, Marci.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you for having me here.
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  Speaker 1: It's so great to have you. And We're going to
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  Speaker 1: talk about debt. There's a lot of people in debt
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  Speaker 1: right now. And there's so much. We're just wrapped up
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  Speaker 1: in fear about getting in debt or if we are
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  Speaker 1: in debt, how we're going to get out. You know,
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  Speaker 1: everything's going up like it's a scary time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it is a scary time, Marcy, but
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  Speaker 2: I also think you have the choice to buy into
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  Speaker 2: all of that or actually choose something different and create
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  Speaker 2: a different possibility for yourself. I really do think that's
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  Speaker 2: available as well. It's easy to buy into the noise,
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  Speaker 2: you know?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes. I love that you said that and we're
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  Speaker 1: going to dive into that. But I want to rewind
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  Speaker 1: a little bit. So you yourself were in debt, $ 187, 000
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  Speaker 1: in debt. Can you take us back? Was that something
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  Speaker 1: that was gradual? Like, how did that happen for you?
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  Speaker 3: A good question.
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  Speaker 2: And look, I'm going to say I think the start
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  Speaker 2: of it was my point of view about money.
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  Speaker 3: I really didn't like money that much. I thought it
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  Speaker 3: was annoying.
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  Speaker 2: I was such a creative person and I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I can create, I don't need money. I think I
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  Speaker 2: spent a lot of time trying to prove that I
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  Speaker 2: didn't need money in order to create.
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  Speaker 3: And so I wasn't very honoring of money at all.
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  Speaker 2: And I just kept, I mean, I had a business,
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  Speaker 2: I had many different things. I was really good at
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  Speaker 2: getting credit cards or a loan or whether it was
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  Speaker 2: from a business or a bank or a friend or
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  Speaker 2: something like this. So I ignored it and I avoided
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  Speaker 2: it is probably the key piece.
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  Speaker 3: That got me so in debt.
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  Speaker 2: And there was a conversation I had with my father,
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  Speaker 2: which I remember very distinctly. He was a chartered accountant
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  Speaker 2: and he, He, you know, he gave me advice all
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  Speaker 2: the time, et cetera. And I remember one day he
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  Speaker 2: drew me this graph, Marcy, and it was like, and
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  Speaker 2: in this graph he said, okay, because I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I just want to create.
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  Speaker 3: And he was like, okay, so here's your creative piece
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  Speaker 3: of the pie. Here's your finances. Here's this. You know,
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  Speaker 3: he drew this graph.
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  Speaker 2: I was so petulant, you know, hands on hips, stomping, going,
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  Speaker 2: that's not my graph. And I said, this is my graph.
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  Speaker 2: And it was like 95% creation. And he said, Simone,
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  Speaker 2: so patiently, he said, Simone, if you don't have this
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  Speaker 2: and pointed at the financial, he said, you can't have
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  Speaker 2: all of this. And it was at that moment, it
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  Speaker 2: was a very like really distinct moment, I remember, because
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  Speaker 2: I went, I knew he was right. I knew I
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  Speaker 2: had to start looking at my finances and not ignore it.
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  Speaker 2: So I think the key piece of me getting in
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  Speaker 2: debt was I was avoiding money and ignoring it.
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  Speaker 1: I think a lot of us could say that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I had an ex of mine.
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  Speaker 2: He used to tell me how he used to get,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the old day school when you used to get,
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  Speaker 2: you know, mail, the window envelope sort of thing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And he knew that that was a bill. So he said,
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  Speaker 2: I literally should just put them in the drawer and think, oh,
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  Speaker 2: they'll go away.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm like, seriously? And he's like, yeah, I did.
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  Speaker 3: I just thought they'd go away.
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  Speaker 2: But I, you know, it may sound stupid, but there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people who just think it's going to
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  Speaker 2: go away if I don't pay attention to it.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. Exactly. And I, I never thought a lot about money. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I went both sides. Okay. Cause I think a lot
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  Speaker 1: of this also is about how we're raised, right? Like our,
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  Speaker 1: our mindset around money. And a lot of people talk
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  Speaker 1: about that. So I was really raised by my grandparents that,
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  Speaker 1: that were raised in the depression. Right. So I had
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  Speaker 1: a lot of fear around money, losing money. And you
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  Speaker 1: had to always watch what you were doing around money. Um,
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  Speaker 1: but then in my mind, I was always like, I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to be rich. I didn't have to worry about money,
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  Speaker 1: but then I could relate to you. Like, I just
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  Speaker 1: want to be creative. Right. So I can, I can
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  Speaker 1: relate to a lot of that. And so, but in
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  Speaker 1: that moment, so you kind of, you like had that
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  Speaker 1: wake up call, right. When your dad say that to you.
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  Speaker 1: And so what happened for you after that? And like,
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  Speaker 1: what kind of emotions were you going through?
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, I want to pick up on one
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  Speaker 2: thing that you said about how you're raised. And because
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  Speaker 2: I think this is pretty important as well, because the
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  Speaker 2: way I was raised was, you know, meat and three veg,
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  Speaker 2: a glass of milk at the dinner table sort of thing.
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  Speaker 2: But we were not allowed to talk about money or business.
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  Speaker 2: And I always remember being pretty interested in it. And
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  Speaker 2: my dad was a chartered accountant, as I said, but
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  Speaker 2: he was also an entrepreneur. So he'd have all these
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  Speaker 2: things going on.
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  Speaker 3: And any time I asked a question, we were shut
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  Speaker 3: down by my mother.
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  Speaker 2: And we had to talk about, you know, just these
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  Speaker 2: insane topics that I was like, I'm so bored.
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  Speaker 3: Why are we talking about this?
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  Speaker 2: And so I think it's really important if you're listening
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  Speaker 2: to this, if your kids.
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  Speaker 3: Ask you something, give them the information.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: You know, how much does something cost? What does it
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  Speaker 3: take to do something?
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  Speaker 2: You know, I remember I had a stepkid at one
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  Speaker 2: stage and, you know, he was sort of traveling with
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  Speaker 2: us and without us, et cetera. And he came to
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  Speaker 2: me one day and he said, Simone, I'd like to
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  Speaker 2: travel more with you.
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  Speaker 3: And I said, okay. I said, let's work that out.
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  Speaker 3: And I said, can you do me a favor? And
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  Speaker 3: he said, yeah. I said, will you contribute to us
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  Speaker 3: making more money?
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  Speaker 2: Simple question, right? And he goes, why do you need
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  Speaker 2: to make more money if I travel with you? I said, well,
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  Speaker 2: we've got like the plane ticket, you know, and I
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  Speaker 2: explained everything. And he looked at me and he went, okay,
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  Speaker 2: and went into his bedroom. And I swear to God, Marcy,
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  Speaker 2: we started making more money. Because for me, money is also,
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  Speaker 2: it's not linear. And I think that's one thing you
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  Speaker 2: have to come out of is looking at it as,
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  Speaker 2: you know.
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  Speaker 3: A plus B equals C, it doesn't.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, there is an energy around money.
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  Speaker 3: And when we be a different energy around money, more
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  Speaker 3: money shows up.
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  Speaker 2: And I can, like, there's so many stories about how
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  Speaker 2: it's like, wow, that was showed up like magic.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, what if it is magic that it showed up,
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  Speaker 3: you know?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree that, well, I've learned this now
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  Speaker 1: and I believe wholeheartedly in the idea of the energy, right?
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  Speaker 1: It just like a flow, right? you put it out,
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  Speaker 1: it comes back.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Think about it. Right. And there was a time where
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  Speaker 1: I had my show and like everything was looking really good,
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  Speaker 1: but I was just using our money, you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: kind of like, oh, this is what I'm contributing because
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  Speaker 1: I want to give back. But then I went to
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  Speaker 1: this networking event. We're all at this big dinner table
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  Speaker 1: and it's kind of like, what struggles are you having
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  Speaker 1: right now? Or, you know, just kind of bring something up.
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  Speaker 1: And somebody was asking about my business and I said, well,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not really making money right now. And the woman said, oh,
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  Speaker 1: so then it's a hobby. And I got so upset.
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  Speaker 1: Like I was anchored by that. But then I went
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  Speaker 1: back to my room and I'm like, why do I
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  Speaker 1: have so much anger? Like, Now that I'm healed, I
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  Speaker 1: have the mindset where I can start asking myself, like,
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  Speaker 1: why am I feeling this way? And it came down
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  Speaker 1: to fear. I was afraid. I was afraid to ask
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  Speaker 1: for money. I didn't know my worth. And I swear
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  Speaker 1: to God, once I owned it, the next day somebody
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  Speaker 1: came into my life and like I started making money
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  Speaker 1: on the show. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It's amazing.
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  Speaker 2: And Marcy, there's something there that you said also is
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  Speaker 2: I think most of us are like empowered or educated
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  Speaker 2: how to deal with failure but not how to deal
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  Speaker 2: with success. So most people feel it's so much more
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  Speaker 2: familiar or predictable.
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  Speaker 3: If, you know, you gave it a go.
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  Speaker 2: You gave it a shot but it didn't work out. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: so now you're the same as everybody else. But when
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  Speaker 2: you are successful... that's.
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  Speaker 3: A different world.
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  Speaker 2: And there is a lot of projections and expectations that
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  Speaker 2: come at you, whether it's from the public or family
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  Speaker 2: or friends, et cetera. And nobody really educates you on
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  Speaker 2: how to deal with success. So I think when you
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  Speaker 2: say fear, I'm like, how many people are actually okay
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  Speaker 2: with failing, but they're not okay with succeeding because they
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  Speaker 2: have all these different insane points of view of what
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  Speaker 2: that means too. Like, I can't tell you the amount
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  Speaker 2: of conversations I've had with people where they're like, well,
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  Speaker 2: that means everybody's going to want my money or I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to have to pay for everything or I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to have to, you know, and it's like, no, if
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  Speaker 2: you have money, you also have choice. Choice doesn't get
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  Speaker 2: a when you have money. In fact, you get to choose.
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  Speaker 2: There's many different ways that you can, you know, get
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  Speaker 2: around that. It's like, oh, you know what, I'd so
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  Speaker 2: love to lend you money except I've just invested in,
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  Speaker 2: you know, X, Y, Z.
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  Speaker 3: Like it's your money, you get to choose.
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  Speaker 2: So I think that's really important for people to get
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  Speaker 2: because there's so many insane points of view we have
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  Speaker 2: that like trap us and create this mindset of, no,
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  Speaker 2: I'll just be the same as everybody else.
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  Speaker 1: I like what you said about being trapped because I
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  Speaker 1: think that programming is right, for so many years and everybody,
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  Speaker 1: the voices all around us, like we do become trapped.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So I want to get back to you.
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  Speaker 2: Sure.
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  Speaker 1: And now you're in debt. Your father has said your
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  Speaker 1: pie is not working. Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: So what turn of events happened for you?
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  Speaker 2: Look, over quite a few years, like I said, I
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  Speaker 2: was– creative. So I was creating a business. I had
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  Speaker 2: a business called Good Vibes For You. And I wanted
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  Speaker 2: to change the world at a really young age too.
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  Speaker 2: And so I was creating all this merchandise, et cetera.
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  Speaker 2: And I was working in the music industry that had,
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  Speaker 2: you know, t-shirts, stickers, magnets, et cetera, that had sayings
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  Speaker 2: on them that I perceived if someone read, they could perhaps,
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  Speaker 2: you know, change their day, change the world. And then
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  Speaker 2: I came across Access Consciousness and I I met Gary Douglas,
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  Speaker 2: the founder of Access.
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  Speaker 3: And I was so intrigued.
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  Speaker 2: He was so different in the way he was talking
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  Speaker 2: that I went, I need to go listen to this
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  Speaker 2: guy talk.
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  Speaker 3: And I did.
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  Speaker 2: And he was doing a seminar on relationships. And I
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  Speaker 2: wasn't really that interested in relationships. Like I was like, eh,
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  Speaker 2: you know, but I wanted to hear him. And when
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  Speaker 2: I went to see him speak, he was like irreverent.
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  Speaker 3: He swore. He was, like, funny.
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  Speaker 2: And the one thing he said, which I thought was
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  Speaker 2: so brilliant, he said, don't trust me, trust you. And
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  Speaker 2: it was one of the first times. It was at
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  Speaker 2: a Mind, Body and Spirit Festival. And I'd been going
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  Speaker 2: to these places and they were all like, hey, we
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  Speaker 2: have the answer. And it was the first person that said, hey,
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  Speaker 2: trust you, trust yourself. And so... I ended up, you know,
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  Speaker 2: let's cut to the, you know, the fast story here.
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  Speaker 2: I ended up getting involved with access and becoming an
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  Speaker 2: access consciousness facilitator and using the tools, which were fabulous.
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  Speaker 3: And my life was changing everywhere.
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  Speaker 2: And the only tools I was refusing to use were
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  Speaker 2: the access consciousness tools around money. And I remember sitting
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  Speaker 2: there one day and he was in Australia and he
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  Speaker 2: was doing a seminar literally called the money class. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm sitting in the class and he's talking about
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  Speaker 2: all these tools and in my head I can hear
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  Speaker 2: myself going, oh, here we go again, talking about money.
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  Speaker 2: And then I sat there and I was like, what
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  Speaker 2: are you doing, Simone?
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  Speaker 3: Because I knew somewhere that I was in debt. I
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  Speaker 3: didn't know how much.
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  Speaker 2: And this is a pretty key piece for me is
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  Speaker 2: I used to smoke cigarettes, right? And I remember at
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  Speaker 2: one stage I wanted to give up and I told
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  Speaker 2: all my friends, hey, I'm going to give up smoking.
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  Speaker 2: And I noticed that most people around me were like,
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  Speaker 2: are you going to be able to do that?
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  Speaker 3: I'm not so sure.
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  Speaker 2: There wasn't this huge support. So when I eventually did
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  Speaker 2: give up smoking cigarettes, I just quit cold turkey and
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  Speaker 2: I didn't tell a soul. And it took about two
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  Speaker 2: or three weeks before somebody actually noticed.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know. And I went, okay, so this is
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  Speaker 3: like a switch in my head. I need to go.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a smoker. I'm not a smoker, which I noticed
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  Speaker 2: you're 11 years sober. Congratulations, by the way.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, Nicole. I think you.
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  Speaker 2: Need to find that courage deep inside you to address
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  Speaker 2: whatever it is that you've decided you're fearful of, et cetera.
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  Speaker 2: So I took that and I did that with money.
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  Speaker 2: And I went, okay, you need to go home and
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  Speaker 2: you need to start looking at this, Simone. So it
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  Speaker 2: was that money class seminar that Gary was talking about,
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  Speaker 2: all these very pragmatic tools to use. And I went
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  Speaker 2: home and I sat in my office and And I
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  Speaker 2: started looking at all of my bills. It took me
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  Speaker 2: probably about a week, like on it. And I looked
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  Speaker 2: at them because I had them all filed. It wasn't
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  Speaker 2: as though I had them in a drawer.
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  Speaker 3: I knew they were there. I just wasn't paying them,
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  Speaker 3: you know.
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  Speaker 2: And then when I finally looked at everything and I realized, okay,
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  Speaker 2: you're 187,000 Australian dollars in debt.
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  Speaker 3: I did freak out. yeah like 20 minutes.
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  Speaker 2: I was like what am I going to do pulled
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  Speaker 2: myself a glass of wine I remember sitting in the
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  Speaker 2: kitchen going oh my god and then I went okay
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  Speaker 2: you need to change this like there's no one no
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  Speaker 2: one's going to come magically knocking on the door going
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  Speaker 2: don't worry about it it's all gone I need to
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  Speaker 2: make a choice and I need to choose something to
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  Speaker 2: change it which I get the energy of you being
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  Speaker 2: 11 years sober my ex is now I think four
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  Speaker 2: years sober and I've watched what he's chosen and you
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  Speaker 2: need to find that courage deep inside you to make
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  Speaker 2: the change that you keep talking about, but maybe never choose,
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  Speaker 2: you know? So that's what I did with money. And
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  Speaker 2: I started to work out how much I was in debt.
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  Speaker 2: And then the second thing I did was how much
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  Speaker 2: does it cost to run my life? And I wrote
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  Speaker 2: down everything and I'm not talking on a budget. I'm talking,
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  Speaker 2: you know, okay. I like to get a massage once
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  Speaker 2: a month or something. Like I wrote down everything that
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  Speaker 2: I was choosing and, so that I could see how
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  Speaker 2: much it was. And Marcy, the first time I did
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  Speaker 2: this ever, it was $ 8, 000 a month that it cost
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  Speaker 2: around my life. And I wasn't earning close to $ 8, 000.
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  Speaker 2: And I sat there again and I was like, oh
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  Speaker 2: my goodness. But I realized, I went, okay, I can
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  Speaker 2: freak out and I can go to what I think
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  Speaker 2: is impossible or I can be in question, which is.
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  Speaker 3: A large part of access consciousness is ask a question.
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  Speaker 2: So I started asking what could I create and what
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  Speaker 2: could I generate that would bring me more money? And
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  Speaker 2: one of the things I was really keen for access
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  Speaker 2: as well. So I went, okay, every Wednesday night I
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  Speaker 2: had this free introduction to access. Then I'd have like
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: this little coffee tea break, you know, and if you
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: wanted to stay, it was like $ 50 and we could
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: do like, it's called a clearing night. And before I
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: knew it, Marcy, my apartment was filled with people on
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: Wednesday night and I went, that was easy to actually
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: create more money, you know? And from there, I kept
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: using these money tools and there's a lot of them.
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: And like I said, they're very pragmatic.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: I've mentioned, I talk about my whole journey in getting
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: out of debt joyfully, but I started using them and
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: listening to these, like the whispers and being as present
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: as I could with.
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: Money, noticing when I avoided it.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: Like I even did things like, do you remember Pink
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: Floyd's song, Money?
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. Money, money, money.
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, money. I had that as my ringtone.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: Ah, love it.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: Because I was like, I need to put money in
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: my face because I'm avoiding it. So how do I
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: put money in my face and not avoid this topic,
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: this subject? One of the things they did was I
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: rang every single person that I owed money to, including
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: like banks, institutions, friends, companies, whatever, every single person. And
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: I said, hey, I'm very aware that I owe you
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: this money. I don't have the money right now, but
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: I'm going to do the absolute best I can to
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: pay you back. And some people I was like, the
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: best I can do right now is $ 50 a month.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: You know, and Marcy, I was astounded at the feedback
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: I got because I wasn't avoiding it.
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: And I picked up the phone and spoke to them.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: There was this one company, I owed them $ 15, 000 and
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: he said to me, Simone, my wife and I want
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: to take you out to dinner. And I went, Matt,
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: I just told you I can pay you $ 50 a
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: month and I owe you $ 15, 000. I'm going to do
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: the best I can to pay you back and you
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: want to take me out to dinner. And he said, Simone,
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: we believe in you. He said, we think what you're
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: doing is great. And he said, can we please take
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: you out to dinner?
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: It was wild.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I love what you said. You're talking about tools.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: And I think it's so important that everyone realizes that
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: there are all of these amazing tools. And when we
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: put them into action, almost daily, I mean, it's like
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: a daily thing. Like you're saying, making choices every day.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: You can make bad choices or good choices. What's going
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: to change your life? And if you put those tools
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: into action... because I can relate to that money. Like
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: anytime money comes up, I don't want to hear about it.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: I don't want to, you know, like I just shut
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: myself down to it a lot of times. And I
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: don't know what that is. Like I just, maybe it's
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: that avoidance, right? It's the avoidance.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: Also, how many other people are doing it? That's what
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: I'm going to call up. Everybody else is doing it.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: So why don't you do it?
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Right. And I think it's the first time that, right
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: now for me, I mean, transparently that now being paid
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: for these like, uh, retreats that I'm doing, uh, and
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: for sobriety and such. And it's the first time I'm like,
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: I love what I'm doing and I believe in what
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: I'm doing and I am worthy of that. Yeah. Yeah.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: And it's just that I think it's a lot of
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: times it's just that constant, like, It's very, very hard.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: And I could see myself sitting in that same class going, oh, great,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: here we are about money again.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: But why? Yeah, yeah.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: Why? You know, and I think that's amazing. But what
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: about the fear for you?
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Well, one of the things I would say is, which
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: I would talk about is, I'm not so sure. I
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: would say fear is not, I think we create fear.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's real I think we're not looking
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: at something and it's a lot of the times we
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: might be excited about a change it might be something
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: so different and so we go to oh I'm scared
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: oh I've got fear about this rather than like you
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: know what I'm gonna jump I'm gonna leap and I'm
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: gonna find out like you know what next? And, you know,
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of people choose to live their lives,
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: like I said, being predictable, familiar, especially now. I mean,
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: it's crazy what's going on in the world now. Like
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: there's not, I don't think one country that I'm like, yay,
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: they've got, you know, a great government. It's like, there's
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: insane governments everywhere, insane wars, legislations, all of this and more.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Social media is, I mean, I'm on it. And But
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: I think my algorithm is like horses and recipes. But
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: it's crazy.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: There's so much.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Noise, as I mentioned right at the beginning. So what
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: are you going to be in the face of that noise?
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Because if you want to get a lie out there,
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: the one thing you do is you keep telling the lie.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: So it's perpetrated among people. So how many lies are
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: we being told right now? And what if there is
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: a different possibility that you can create again with your choices?
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: But again, you've got to find that courage. You've got
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: to find that strength and say, what am I going
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: to choose with my life?
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: Like, you know, for me, it's like I.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I, look, I, you know, if we fast track,
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: You know, I got out of debt.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: I used the tools. I made money.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: I stopped struggling with money and I started having money.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: And that's a really different mindset too. And then I
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: made some really great investments. And I've got, you know,
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: I own my home. I've got commercial investments, residential investments.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: I have a really good stock portfolio.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: I've invested in different companies.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: The place I'm at at the moment, El Ugar, It's,
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: you know, I have over a million dollars invested in here.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: Like I have a lot of different things going on
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: and I've diversified a lot. And then probably about two,
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: three years ago, I was sitting at home, Marcy, and
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: I went, huh, is this it? I wasn't stressing about money,
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: but I'd sort of ticked all the boxes that is
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: successful in this reality. And so I started looking at
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: what do I really want to create with the money
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: that I'm making? So I actually started selling off some
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: of my real estate and investing more in this place
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: here at El Ugar because what we're creating here is incredible.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: And I've also invested more in horses here because the
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: Costa del Sensei horse I think is fabulous and I'd
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: like to see more of that breed. So now I
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: think I'm in a different phase, Marcy, and I'm creating
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: a life.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: That's a lot of living for me.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: I'm 56, like choosing things that.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: I really enjoy and yet.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Where can I put my money that is creating the
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: future that I desire? Like this afternoon I have a
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: meeting with a guy who's based in Guatemala and it's
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: about regenerative farming. And I would love to see food
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: forests all over the world. So I'm talking to him
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: this afternoon about what we could create here at Alugar.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: For me, I'm going to put money into that.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: That matches an energy of what I would like to
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: see on the planet rather than listening to all of
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: the crazy, insane news that you get.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: I agree.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: I don't do that.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: And I do try to see the other side of
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: it because I just think we are fed over and
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: over these negative ideas. And I'm not saying there are
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: not a lot of negative things happening. I am not
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: pretending that's true, but I do know there's a lot
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: of good that's happening too. And we're just not being
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: fed that.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: And I think we need to ask, what can we be?
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: You know, we got to give back. We got to
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: do something.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: What can we do and be that would create change
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: in the world? You know, sitting back, watching it, isn't
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: going to do anything. What are you going to actually
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: like choose?
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: And listen, yes. One person can make a difference. Yes.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: You know, so you can, you can, and there's so
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: much joy in that.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: There's so much like, I love what I do because
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: it's making a difference in someone's life, you know? And,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: And that's incredible. That is the reward. Let's talk to
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: people out there right now.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: So they, you say the most people don't actually have
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: a money problem. They have a point of view problem. Yes. Right. So,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: but someone may be thinking, Simone, I can't pay my mortgage.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: My credit cards are maxed out. I have a money problem.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: What do you mean by a point of view problem?
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: When the numbers themselves are very real.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Well, it's funny because Marcy, I think sometimes I created
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: myself to be so in debt. So I, I could
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: have the stories and people would look at me and go, Oh,
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: she's always had money. And she's talking about that, you know,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: because I'm this, I was the same. It's like, I, man,
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: I would have rent due on Friday and no money.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: And so Wednesday I'd be like, I've got to hustle.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: How am I paying rent? You know?
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: And I would do things like avoid the person I
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: was paying rent to. Like I, I really had to hustle.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: I remember at one stage, like I was the, really
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: big thing to come to America, to see Gary Douglas
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: at this seminar and like paying for my economy ticket,
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: you know, all of that, like struggling. But there's no
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: way in the world I could afford a hotel. So
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: I was sleeping on someone's lounge room floor on a mattress,
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: you know, like I was doing all those different things.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: And So I was there. So I hear you. And yes,
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: I do say that nobody needs to have a money problem.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: Because if you tap into money all around the world
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: right now, there's not a lack of money. There's people
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: choosing a lack. Now, I think a lot of people
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: might hate me when I say this, but I really
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: don't care.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: Okay. Because it's you.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: That is creating that every single thing that you have
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: in your life right now is because you chose it.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: You created it.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Everything you don't have is because you didn't choose it
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: and you didn't create it.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: So what are you going to choose now?
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: There is, I see people waiting for this job that
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: it's like, oh, this is going to be, you know,
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: it's not enough money. So I won't say yes to this,
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: et cetera. Like I just started saying yes to everything.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: You know, and there's an interesting story. Many, many years ago,
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: Sydney has Gay Mardi Gras and that's where I grew
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: up in Sydney. And I wanted to go to all
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: the parties and it costs money to go to all
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: the parties, like the whole weekend, you know, and I
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: had no money. And I was like, what can I do?
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: And this is what I've done my whole life.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: What can I do?
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: So my friend and I, and it was when glitter,
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, glitter's always been out there, but it was
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: when glitter was huge. So we had got these, I
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: had enough money to buy these little round tubs. We
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: got some glitter and this, you know, body gel and
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: we mixed all these tubs up and we literally walked
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: down the main street of Oxford.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: Street with this big basket of glitter going.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: $ 5 for glitter, hugs for free, you know, and yelling
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: this out.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: Innovative. Exactly.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: And we sold so much glitter. We also got a
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: lot of hugs, which was really cool and made a
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: lot of people.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: But we made it work, you know, and it's like
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: I've done so many things that I've made it work.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: So I think what you need to do too, and
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: there's one tool, get a pen and paper. I'm like
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: old school. Get a pen and paper.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: And I want you to write down 20 things that
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: you enjoyed. Don't think about the money. 20 things that
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: you enjoy, okay?
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: It could be anything. It could be baking cookies.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: It could be, you know, I don't know, going for
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: a walk or, you know, playing with animals, anything.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: Write down 20 things.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: And I want you to sit with that list and
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: look at it and go, can I create a revenue
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: from any of these? Can I create some money? And
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: My friend in Santa Barbara, California did this at one
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: stage and she loved dogs and she would walk her
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: dog all the time. Her next door neighbor was like, Hey,
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: do you have time to walk my dog? You know,
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: and paid her before you knew it. She ended up
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: having a very successful dog walking business in Santa Barbara.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Like she was walking 20 dogs a day and getting
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: paid for it. So there are things out there.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: There might not be the job that you want right now,
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: but go out there and create something. You could literally,
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, I remember as kids, we used to go
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: wash people's cars, you know, there's so many different things
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: that you can create. But if you have that mindset
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: of it's not possible and I'm poor and I can't
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: afford to pay the mortgage, who.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: Are you being?
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Are you being everybody else? Like, is it time to
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: stop that? You know, what else is possible?
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. And it, but I think there's
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: a couple of things like I have the college degree
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: that's beneath me. Or, you know, I have too much fear.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Like what, you know, what if it doesn't work? Right.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: Or it's going to, I don't know what to do.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Or I get, how can I put all that time
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: into that? Right. I don't have any time.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, but see, most people use like so you
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: have something called the best reality, which is like matter, energy,
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: space and time. And people put things into the equation
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: of time, which always brings judgment and also what matters.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: Like so say you said I've got a college degree
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: that's beneath me. So then you're deciding like you're making
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: something matter and meaningful more than what you could choose.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: I remember when I traveled overseas for quite a few
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: years and then I came home and I was really,
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: I didn't know what I wanted to do. I was
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: just like really confused. And a friend of our family's
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: had a clothing business and they were importing, exporting, et cetera.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: And he had quite a few jobs available. And I
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: went to see him and I said, can I get
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: a job in the warehouse? And he looked at me
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: and he went, Simone, it's packing orders in the warehouse.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: And I said, I know.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: And he said, you're so overqualified for that. And I went,
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: I really don't know what I want to do right now.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: I'm just really happy packing orders like can I can
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: I please do this and he was like okay so
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: I did And then, of course, you know, before long
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: I was like, okay, I'm done with packing orders. And
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: then I became the salesperson. And then I became the national,
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: you know, head of sales and all. Like I worked
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: my way up. But it was such a beautiful adventure
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: because I knew every aspect of that business. And by
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: the time I left, I remember I walked into his
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: office and he went, you're leaving, aren't you?
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: And I said.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I was getting, you know, I was like,
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: I've done everything. And he said, yeah, there's nothing else
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: I can offer you except for shares in the company.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: And I haven't even done that to my kids yet,
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: you know, and I was like, that's fine. But I
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: chose to work in the warehouse and I didn't think
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: it was beneath me. I was, it was matching an
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: energy of what I required at that moment. And so
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: what if you, because how many times do you choose
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: based on.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: Somebody else's point of view?
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: Like stop caring about what other people think.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: And start choosing for you.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Stop caring what other people think and stop comparing yourself
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: to others. Yeah. Because what you're saying is exactly what
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: I did too. Like you make yourself invaluable by learning
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: all aspects of the business. Yeah. And as you continue
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: to learn, you continue to grow with the business because
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: you're making yourself more and more valuable.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: And one of the things that you said way early
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: on about talking to the kids, and I wanted to
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: share the story at that time, but I think it
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: could be fitting now. It's like that budget, right, that
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: you created for yourself and children asking questions. It is
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: so important because my daughter took a class in high
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: school and it was around budgeting and she had to
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: create a budget so she could literally see what it
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: would take to pay rent, you know, to do her
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: hair because, you know, her hair is so important. Like
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: what are these things going out? All these things. And
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: it has, and save money. Saving money became a priority
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: for her. And it was like, so eyeopening. And I
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: think anybody at any age can, It's such a valuable lesson.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: Me too. And I really do too.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: And there's two things that I want to add to
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: this that I think is gold is, and this is
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: part of the Access Consciousness Tools and Working With Money,
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: is I have two accounts. One, I call my honor
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: account because it's honoring of me. And this was one
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: of the hardest things I ever chose, Marcy, is because
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: one of the tools is put 10% away of everything
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: you earn that's just for you. It's not a savings account.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: It's not to use in a rainy day. It's not
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: to pay an unexpected bill. And I was like, this
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: is crazy.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: I owe all this money.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: And you're saying put $ 10 of every $ 100 away just
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: for me. And so it's called an honoring account. And
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: I started that and gosh, it made a difference. Like
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: there was an, like after a look, a while I
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: looked at it because I did all these tools for
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: about three months. And I thought at the end of
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: three months, if I don't like this, because I can
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: just quit, you know, and I noticed at the end
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: of three months, it wasn't like I had a whole
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: lot of money, but my point of view had changed
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: around money and I had more of a relaxation with it.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: So I have this honor account that I put 10%
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: away in, And, you know, over the years, because it's
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: been quite some time, I've done different things. Like I
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: never buy anything that's going to cost me money. Like
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't buy a horse.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: But I would buy something that had intrinsic value. Like
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: I've bought gold, silver, platinum, even a silverware set. So
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: then at home I'm eating from silver and But it's
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: part of my 10% account. And it's like, it feels
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: really good when you're just, you know, eating from silver
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: and drinking from a silver gobbler, you know, and it's
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: part of my 10% account. And then the second thing
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: I do is I have, and it's literally called this
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: in my bank.
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: Account, joy of taxes.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: Because I think people would do everything they can to
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: avoid tax. I mean, you can be creative, right? But
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: what if you also put 10% away in your joy
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: of taxes account? So when the tax bills come in,
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: because that was one of the second things I was like,
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: I was never ready for it. And it's like, okay,
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: so if you put 10% away for your honoring and
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: 10% away for your joy of taxes, you create, you
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: start to create a different reality with money. And don't,
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: like if you hear me, if you're listening to me
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: and you go, oh, but I need to save money
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: first or I need to pay this first.
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: No, you need to start this. That will change the energy.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: And also I hear you change the words.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: What do you mean?
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: The, what you call it, how you identify with it.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Words really matter.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, yes. Yeah. It's not just a 10% account.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: It's an honoring account because it's honoring of you. And
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: what I noticed Marcy, and this is what I'm talking
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: about with the magic and not linear, you know, cause
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: I'd have all these bills and you'd be like, well,
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: I've got to pay the bills.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: And the first thing I did, like I'd literally earn
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: a hundred dollars. The first thing I did, and I
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: still do it.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: $ 10 in my honoring account before I do anything else.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: So the first thing you're doing is you're honoring you.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: You're not honoring your bills. But also I'm going to
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: say too, like say if I got a phone bill in,
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: I also practice gratitude. Like I would literally sit there
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: with my phone bill and go, okay, I'm super grateful
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: for this phone bill. I'm super grateful for the electricity
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: bill or grateful for my rent because I get to
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: live in this house or the mortgage or whatever. So
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: it was creating that energy of gratitude for the bills
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: that you had because it was contributing to your life
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: that you were choosing, you know, instead of this like, oh,
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: the phone bills come in again.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: I talk about gratitude all the time. And it is
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: one of the things that was life changing for me.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: It really, truly is. And I know it's hard. You're like,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: my life sucks. How can I be grateful? Right. But.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: Is does it really like there is always something to
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: be grateful for? It's just what just being thankful for
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: those little things. And it it takes your mindset from
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: a place of lack. And once you shift that energy
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: that you're talking about, you start bringing in more things
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: that you'll be grateful for. It doesn't happen overnight. Yeah.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: But it really it is something you start looking at
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: everything in a different way. And you also become very solution-based, right?
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: So this is happening. Okay, what can I do to
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: change it, right? But what do you say to somebody that,
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's really difficult for somebody that doesn't trust themselves.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: They're always second-guessing themselves, right? They're the ones that have
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: to ask 20 people before they make a decision.
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: Or chat GPT now.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: All right, or chat now.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: I was in the hairdressers not long ago and someone
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: was asking chat gbt if they should go to fiji
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: and i was like what i'm like why would you
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: ask i mean i would do research like on a
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: couple of ai things but i don't ask them like
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: should i go do this that's my choice you know
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: so anyway i love that yeah i find it really
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: interesting sorry i got distracted then what was your question.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Well, somebody that doesn't trust themselves and they have to
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: ask everybody for basically permission.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: That's a tough one because to begin with, it's like, again,
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: who are you being?
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: Like, where were you taught not to trust you?
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: So you might need to do a little bit of
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: work on that. Like, is it like, was your mother
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: not trusting your father, et cetera?
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: Like, did you live in an.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: Environment where people weren't trusting of anything? And it's really
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: starting with the basics and there's a tool in Access
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: Consciousness we call five elements of intimacy. And the five
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: elements of intimacy, I think you need to start with you.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: And it is trust, honor, allowance, vulnerability, and gratitude. And
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of people look for these elements
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: outside of themselves. And at one stage, what I did
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: was I had them on post-it notes and I had
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: them on my bathroom mirror. So every day when I'm
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: brushing my teeth, at least twice a day, I'm like
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: looking up going, okay, so where have I not been
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: trusting of myself, honoring of myself, being vulnerable with myself,
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: being grateful, you know, with myself, being an allowance of
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: myself and just not judging it, but just having a
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: moment and going, okay, now what would it take to
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: change that? If I was being an allowance of myself,
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: because most people, you spend your time judging yourself and
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: it's like, well, hang on. What if I learned to like,
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: what's so funny about me? I'm not laughing about it.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: like you mentioned before about choices and making bad or
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: good choices. Most people try and spend their whole entire
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: life to make the right choice. What if you just chose,
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: because as you choose, you figure it out. It's like,
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: we've all made bad choices, but what if it wasn't,
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: you label it a bad choice, but what if it
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: was a choice?
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: You gained awareness. Okay.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: I'm going to choose something different now. And so then
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: you can choose again. Like, Keep choosing, keep choosing, keep choosing.
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: Don't sit back and wait and try and get the
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: right choice. Just choose.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: So those five elements of intimacy, I would start to
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: have a look at that as well.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: Say those one more time.
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: Trust, gratitude, allowance, vulnerability, and honor.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: And what do we do with those?
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Ask to be them for yourself. Because I think once
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: you can have that with yourself... and also what I
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: would do too is I would do with my body
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: like where am I not trusting my body you know
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: um recently you know I've mentioned horses I have a
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: few horses and there's an exercise we call the trust
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: exercise and And you basically get on a horse bareback,
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: someone's holding the horse, maybe you've got someone on either
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: side and, you know, you're bareback and you can lie
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: back on the.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: Horse and get them to take a couple of steps.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: The first time I ever heard about that, I was like, no, no, no,
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: it's not for me, you know, because I was so
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: frigging controlling, you know. I tried it once and slid
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: off the horse and now it's like I would ride
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: my horse bareback and, like, ride her around and I
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: have a great time doing it and, My friend Gary
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: Douglas said to me, and what do you notice? And
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: I said, I notice I have to trust me. I
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: have to trust my body. I have to trust her
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: and also trust the universe. I think we tend not
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: to trust the universe. And the universe, my point of
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: view is, will not deliver anything to you that you
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: cannot handle. And relax with it. Like, you know, it's
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: a marathon, not a sprint. You're not going to get
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: this overnight. But just start. Like, you know, what I said,
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: I wrote down these things on a post-it note. I
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: now actually have this pen that you can write on
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: a bathroom mirror and you can, you know, take it
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: off because I'll have like a question there or something
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: for myself because I'm continuously working on myself and asking
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: what else is possible today, you know. So you write
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: those five elements of intimacy down somewhere and just take
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: a moment and be like, okay, so what if I
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: was choosing to be an allowance of myself today or trusting, honoring,
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: grateful for myself as we spoke about.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: Love that. And as Abraham Hicks says, you got to
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: enjoy the journey. Yes.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: Live, live, live, live.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And when you're not feeling it, you just say,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: everything's always working out for me. And it really does
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: create a shift. And one of the things that you
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: say is learn to laugh at yourself. And I remember
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: early on in my healing journey, I was like such
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: a perfectionist because I was so afraid of of people
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: seeing the collapse on the inside. And so it's about
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: a year into my journey. And I started a show
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: called Coffee with Marcy and I had to let go
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: of being perfect. Right. So I made a mistake or something.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: I just learned to laugh at myself. And when you
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: laugh at yourself, like you're not bringing all this attention
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: to it.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: And it's one of the most appealing things in the
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: world because you're being you. Yeah.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: You're not being perfect, Marcy. You're being you.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: Real.
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: That is one of the most attractive things in the
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: world is someone that just shows up as you.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: That was a huge lesson for me. So I just,
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: I like that, like you were talking about like, all right,
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: so what if it didn't work out the way that
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: you wanted to? What was the lesson? And you make
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: another choice. Yeah. Yeah. And so Simone, talk to us
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: a little bit about your books, right? And your programs.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: Well, we have, the first book I ever wrote is
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: called Joy of Business and it's translated into, I think,
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: 20 languages right now. And look, I've always loved business
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: and I was doing seminars, et cetera, and talking about this.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: And a friend of mine said, you have to write
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: a book on this. And I called it Joy Business
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: and a bunch of people said, don't do that.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: And I said, why?
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: And they said, because no one can, no one will
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: have Joy Business. And every translator says to me, Simone,
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: in our language, Joy Business doesn't make sense. And I'm like, yeah,
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: it doesn't make sense in English either.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: Like those words put together, you know, but I was like,
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: let's go for it.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: So it's got, again, a whole lot of really pragmatic
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: tools on everything from hiring staff to the energies, the
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: different things that's required in business, you know, like create
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: a connector mover, all these different things. Then the second
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: book I wrote is called Getting Out of Debt Joyfully,
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: which we mentioned. And again, pragmatic tools on how to
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: get out of debt and not just get out of debt, but.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: Increase your wealth. All of the tools are good for
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: that too.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: And then the third book that I wrote, I actually
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: wrote with my ex and it's called Relationship. Are you
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: sure you want one? And the whole idea of that
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: too was I think we're living in an age now, Marcy,
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: where relationship is a choice. It doesn't have to be
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: this necessity. You know, like years ago, it was, if
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: you weren't, didn't have a partner, you know, it was wrong,
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: And I think that's changed. I'm really grateful for that.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: So I would like people to question themselves. Is that
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: actually what you would like? And what if we could
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: choose relationship the way it works for us and not
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: the same as what everybody else is? Like we, you
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: could choose anything, you know, you hear about people having
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: a house next door to someone or being.
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: Someone for the week.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: You know, for me personally, it's like, I don't actually
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: want to sleep in a bed with someone every night,
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: but I love sleeping in a bed with someone a
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: few nights a week, you know, but so that's me.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: Listen, I, and that my house here, because my husband
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: goes to work every morning, really, really early. And, I
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: sleep in the guest room because I want my sleep.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Now in other homes, when we're together on the weekends,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: whatever we're together. Yeah. Yeah.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: But and to make that choice and not judge it
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: is beautiful. And that's actually living. So there's a whole
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: lot of things in that book about that as well.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: You can Google my name, Simone Millicis. That's my website, Instagram,
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: all of that. And I have I have retreats as well.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: I travel all over the world doing seminars. A lot
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: of them are sort of advanced access consciousness classes, but
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: I do a lot that have no prerequisites.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: So yeah, there's a lot of different things going on.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: Well, I'll have all the links below.
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being a part of wake
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: up with Marcy and helping us to think differently about money.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: And I just loved all that you shared and all
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: that you are doing.
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Marcy.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: Thank you for having me on here and thank you
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: for what you create as well.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Oh, thank you so much. So much. And, Listen, for
• 45:48
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• 45:55
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• 45:58
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• 46:01
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• 46:05
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• 46:08
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• 46:12
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• 46:16
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• 46:20
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• 46:23
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• 46:27
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• 46:31
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• 46:33
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• 46:38
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• 46:40
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• 46:42
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